Wakanda Forever: The Gender Divide And What Should Have Happened
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
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Excellent analysis, film review, and suggestions!
Thank you sir! Your complement is much appreciated.
The God father of the intellectual manosphere has spoken
Absolutely 💯
That's exactly why I've decided not to see the film and asked my family members not to support it.
U are so right. I said some of the same things. But u went deeper. Excellent job
I fully agree that bring Killmonger back as Black Panther would have made for a great and interesting storyline💯💯💯💯
Absolutely agree!
Bad guy vs bad guy?! So black and brown killing each other?! You think that would of been better?
@@sh0cktim3 black and brown people still killed each other In that movie.
I don't know. If they would have made Killmonger the new Black Panther that would have made the whole first movie pointless as it was about keeping him from being the Black Panther. They tried that. Seems no one is thinking about that.
@@JugOnBlast no not exactly. They could have used the Killmonger from 2012 the same way the 2012 Gamora is in the current mcu and 2012 Thanos came to the present in endgame . Recasting BP would have been the best option but using the 2012 Kollmonger would have been a great choice also
I saw this movie on Monday night and like a lot of people I thought it was a disgrace. First, all the Black Men the film was either nonexistent or emasculated when they did show up. Winston Duke’s character M-Baku was a perfect example of this. Second, all the Black Women in the film for the most part was either masculine, A-sexual or androgynous at best. Here, one of the few exceptions was Angela Bassett’s character- the queen; she looked and acted real like a woman. Third, the movie was pretty much over for me when Angela Bassett’s character was unnecessarily killed off. Here, for the first hour of this movie she was the only person keeping this film together. Finally, Namor the villain in film got away with an awful lot and paid no price for it in the end. He came into the country uninvited trying to blackmail them, he kidnapped the princess, he attacked the country, and he killed the queen. Again, in the end he paid no price for any of this; he simply walked away and went back home. Again, this film was a disgrace.
Unnecessarily
Why else would a Black Panther rise. Also, Angela is not dead. Trust!
Angela was in the spirit world. Trust she dead
I think nakias character was feminine. She was heterosexual, a mother and gave calm feminine energy. But strange how everyone is ignoring all the beautiful feminine women who graced the backgrounds. Everyone is focusing on the Dora like come one their the Dora Milage, not sure what everyone was expecting.
That's exactly why I didn't go see it. 💯
Thanks i will save my money this time👍🏾
The success of BP:WF is tantamount to the BLM movement. Both gained momentum and made millions off of the death of black men, whilst at the same time attempting to remove them from the equation all together.
Do you honestly think BP:WF would have had the same opening weekend numbers if Shurri would have been BP from the very beginning with no T’Challa at all?….I think not!!
#recasttchalla
Great video, great message
Don’t recast shit. I’m completely done with them. I’m no longer wasting my precious energy to support things that are actively trying to harm me. I’m good I’ll find my entertainment elsewhere. Same with anything else in life I go where I’m celebrated not tolerated.
Part of me believes that even if Boseman never died, they most likely still would've emasculated T'Challa. I mean if they turned OGs like Thor, Hulk, and Bucky into jokes in P4 it wouldn't seem far fetched if they ended up doing that to T'Challa too. Glad Boseman isn't alive to see what they did to effeminize the BP sequel smh
Wakanda Forever was/is a bait and switch. Introducing a strong and powerful Black King (something the black community sorely needed) and replacing it with girl power where BM are either dead or in the background was nothing less than a complete betrayal by Coogler, Moore, and Disney/Marvel. A comment on T'Hasan Johnson's review captured this perfectly.......someone painted my Black Panther toy pink!
That's a good one!
Facts
That's what they did to James Evans Sr on good times
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i mean real talk but understand who owns this: Disney! So don't be surprised because the majority of who direct that commercial ship follow or prescribe to the backward worldly view of what family should be and the rules required to keep stability within a two parent home (or one parent, preferably, according to today's ungodly standards). Smh
King T’Challa reduced to absentee father in a movie made as a tribute to him.👀👀👀Whoa
Killmonger as a good guy in Wakanda Forever could have been as epic as Arnie as a good guy in T2, wasted opportunity
I had the same thoughts about Killmonger. How are they so willing to heal the Winter Soldier (aka killer of T'Chaka) but not heal Killmonger? I mean, Shuri took a hit straight through and didn't even bleed?!?!?
Winter Soilder didn't kill Tchaka. Zemo did and framed the Winter Soilder. Killmonger didn't wanna be healed. He didn't want no redemption. He wanted to be buried and was proud of who he was.
Making bp2 a redemption arc for killmonger is way better than almost 3 hours of shuri moping around
I compare the death of T’Challa (NOT Chadwick) to the death of James Evans in Good Times. Yes, the show continued, but it was definitely not the same. Also, with the first film being so father/son centric (T’Challa dealing with the lose of his father & Kilmonger growing up without his), I just can’t see the character of (King) T’Challa having a son & not only not raising him but not marrying the woman Nakia……….AND his mother being alright with it!! I place a lot of the responsibility on Ryan Coogler. He said himself that he wanted to highlight Black Women “holding it down” like they do in our communities. Just like in the film Creed. Although he had nothing to do with the death of Apollo, the film was based on a young black man growing up without his father. Now young Prince T’Challa will be growing up without his (& being raised by him Mom & Aunt), just like Kilmonger grew up without his.
What I think the film should have been about was T’Challa & Nakia married & raising their son. T’Challa does die & now the film turns into a battle over the boy……The Bloodline! Everyone wants to shield him while Shuri wants to prepare him!!! She can eventually put the suit on to protect her nephew until he is ready. Meanwhile, Prince T’Challa is left with all the wisdom, knowledge & nurturing his father King T’Challa instilled in him.
Just my two cents!
Omg before your Killmonger theory I had said they needed to recast Chadwick Boseman and Killmonger could have went and became the Black Panther after the cryo- just like they did to the Winter soldier I said this over and over and here you are in your video saying it now wow
Black woman love the way society views the BC right now. These movies aren’t just popping up for no reason. As far as the skittles, they are in alliance with them too. 💯👊🏽
This is why FBA Brothers need to create & control their intellectual property.
Dude, your analysis of movies is fantastic! Only thing I have to say is that I cannot believe two black men wrote Wokanda Forever.
It should be no surprise, this agenda is being pushed through out the world, and Black Panther is just another arm of the Black Lesbians Matter movement to push a narrative, did you believe they would let to two Patriarchal men write a movie based on strong and honorable men, family , brotherhood, hell no, there is a message they want to spread and a way of life they want to destroy.
Ryan Cooglan also involved in woman king
@@byronmcgee6777 look at his work on creed why can’t he do that here
Ryan Coogler is also a self proclaimed male feminist. The first BP had a lot of Chadwick Boseman's influence as he was also a film director.
Marvel had a Luke Cage series that came on Netflix it had strong male lead not to mention Luge Cage was fighting gangster cleaning the the streets by season two it was over it got canceled.
Every movie has and underling message and a hidden one.
I agree totally with all of your points, reinstating killmonger would be amazing and something that I would rather watch. If people do still want shuri then they can haver her as a character supporting someone as Killmonger. She doesn't have to be someone in the back helping but she can be a person fighting with. The mcu needs a new lead and casting Killmonger as a redeemed black man really helps support the black culture we live today.
Killmonger don't want no redemption. He meant what he said and was who he was.
@@sh0cktim3 there is a third option. Engage brought back Gamora from 2012. Had they had some angle where they got through to a Killmonger from 2012 rather than 2018 they might have gotten through to him then. Thanos and and Gamora came from 2012 to the present so why not Killmonger? This current Gamora has none of the memories or Quill, Groot, Drax etc. Recasting might have been the best solution
Also wasn’t the throne room on a mountain top? How’d they get all that water up there. This movie was crazy.
This was SO on point I thought I was in church the way I was sayin right! over and over. This breakdown is done from somebody with their eyes all the way open as far this goes. the veil is thin and we can see what they are doing if you watch. I wonder what Stan Lee would have thought about this as the creator of the character. The MCU is not Marvel I grew up with. We have to understand this. Thank you for shining a spotlight on all this! The Birth of the Nation abomination and it's modern counterpart as being message filled is too real. Keep doing what you do king!
The division is real, there's a fight within our community and it's not fun
You're spot on! I've worked in Hollywood for nearly 30 years now and there is a definite agenda to disempower the black man. In countless screenplays I've always had to go into studio meeting for what I would call the "ritualized castration of the black man." The greatest power that the movies have is the power to "inspire." From the movies all black boys get is the idea that they will die. All the Kings of Wakanda, die. Hollywood doesn't what want young black boys imagining themselves growing up to be T'Challa they want them growing up fearing they will become Emmitt Till!
One thing I noticed is putting Black Males in Dresses thing as well
Then why bother bringing in another young Tchalla? Explain that? People are so dramatic and looking for a reason to cry. Be gawd damn man and man the F up.
@@sh0cktim3 🚩 Shaming language
That Killmonger redo would’ve been 🔥!!! 😮
Huh? Better than Namor
I'm not going to see the movie but I remember last Saturday when I was working at my local AMC I saw the mid credit scene and the way they made T'Challa a baby daddy I thought was a slap in the face to Chadwick.
I love your Killmonger Redeemed scheme. I was thinking of something similar but w/ a multiverse angle. I like your approach better, though, since the multiverse is being overused….
I've been actually against Killmonger coming back, but that pitch at the end has me sold. And killmonger has a history of coming back from the dead in the comic's, so it's canon. He could at least be a anti hero.
Great video. In my opinion, I think they shouldn't have made the movie at all. They can recast for Black Panther but, Chadwick Boseman made T'challa. I can't see anyone else doing it 🤷🏾♂️
Why not they have recasted Superman a bunch of times
toby Maguire was recast , superman, batman , James bond, all got replaced , and thats how white legacy lives on , so why not one franchise that represents us
They didn't because they were counting on Making Money Off The Death Of Chadwick Boseman
@@MarcusTheJR That's true. The only part of the movie I appreciated was the tribute to him.
@@KestraMusic101 True! The only other brother I can think of, Micheal B. Jordan aka Kilmonger. My 3rd choice, Yahya Abdul-Mateen ll (Black Manta)
YOOOO!!! That idea about the misguided criminal becoming a righteous leader is the story of Brother Malcolm, they could've given an idea if Malcolm X had a chance to lead a country. That would've been fire!!!
Bravo! 👏🏾 Very well said sir. It isn't just a movie. It is a microcosm of our community and is embarrassing. I loved the movie, but hated the subliminal messaging.
I totally agree with this video. Especially with bringing Killmonger back as a redeemed man. That would've been PERFECT!
I like your Killmonger idea. But while speculating, I think making Shuri Ironheart would open up some great conflicts for future films ( and do we really need two teenage girl geniuses?).
ironheart shouldnt exist she is a Terrible character from all new all different marvel a comic run Nobody liked and sold like garbage ,the comic shops who were flooded with these toilet papers still cannot sell this shit
Your MBJ/KMonger take was flawless (in comparison).
Yes this was a very well done video I watched it a couple of times and caught things. There was the part about the KKK then revived by president at that time Woodrow Wilson being inspired by it and playing it for his little buddies, thus Reviving The KKK. I didn't know that thank you so much for bringing that out.
You're Welcome, Thank You
This alternative with Killmonger coming back that you described would have been cultural and cinematic gold. I refused to see the movie when I heard they were gender swapping the character.
No u are right 💯💯💯💯
Great video. All of your points were the same as the ones I have been making. Honestly, they should have recast T'challa. They recast every other hero. They just recast Thunderbolt Ross with Harrison Ford. They should have stuck closer to the source material and just had T'challa injured as he was in the comics. He could have been placed in the stasis chamber and given plastic surgery to explain his different look. It's sad that people allowed themselves to be hoodwinked by Disney into thinking they were honoring Chadwick by not recasting when the truth is back in May of 2018,when Chadwick was still alive and the movie was still in the theater, Nate Moore told Ryan not to be comfortable with T'challa being the Black Panther, it is just a mantle and anyone can be the Black Panther 🤦🏾♂️ They already had this planned but people are too ignorant to do the research for themselves.
This video was hard bro God bless you.
The Queen, bringing Killmonger back not condoning but understanding his actions and what caused to them, as T’Challa confronted his father about that decision to just leave Killmonger as a boy in that environment instead of bringing him home to Wakanda, would have been in line with the first movie. Now Killmonger has to face the burden and the reality of actually being the protector of a whole nation while understanding Namra wanting to take to fight to the world as he once did. This would have been a complex story of Killmonger as being redeemer, protector, voice of reason to Namar after some physical correction of course, then being tasked to be a guide, mentor, and father figure to T’Challa's son preparing him to be protector and King of Wakanda, coming full circle mending the mistakes of his Father and Uncle which began with T’Challa saving him in the first movie setting up this opportunity for redemption.
I agree with everything you’re saying. My son really loves the black panther. I’m not sure how he’s going to feel about the new one.
This whole being back Killmonger is puzzling to me? There was nothing to redeem. On the surface level it looked like he had good intentions but was going about it the wrong way. In reality he wanted to burn the world down for what his father. Bringing him back and then magically making a protagonist would have sent a bad message imo.
Man, my brother. You are bodying this subject. Appreciate your reviews.
Another excellent video. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
I enjoyed this movie so much better than any of phase shitty 4.
Problem is when you turn on the light, you see the GLARING holes within the script.
U know people don’t like he true light
The same as people not wanting an audit.
That was my impression, the first watch. I watch it a second time, and the plot hole were filled. You really have to pay attention to the dialog otherwise, you will be confused.
Just subscribed glad I came across your channel
Glad to have you. Welcome aboard!
Wonderful video! So many of us agree with what you have stated. Thank you!
Great review and perspective here on this film. Love your content! 👏🏾
thank you sir!
Great work. Subbed.
Thanks for the sub!
👀👀👀 that intro..WTH was RK talking about?
Its hollywood babble. That brother don lost his mind.
I totally agree with you, that is why I loved watching Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Black Captain raising his son after his wife died. The black father son bond was uplifting.
Best video hands down touching on the counter culture promoted agenda. Loved it.
Very informative video.
Facts and great video as always
yea you nailed it. will movies ever be good again!? I think things are just too corporate now...
Very good analysis
I think it'd be cool if Killmonger came back as a 4 horseman, rebels and keeps his bonus powers!
They could have done a story with a Killmonger from an alternate universe, where Killmonger & his father staid in Wakanda, & T'Challa & T'Chaka went to America, seeing as the MCU is pushing the multiverse atm, Michael B Jordan as the Black Panther. Just a thought.
Good analysis this film should have been about the Wakandian searching for new black male leader to be Black Panther as main plot for the movie.
I agree wholeheartedly what you're saying also feel like there's a lot that you've left out but in regards to the movie. I agree completely
I love are wise people 🙏🏾 facts my guy
Thanks!
Wow! Thank You!
Thank you.
Thoughtful and articulate.
Well said. Laser accurate.
I agree with you brother 100% you said something else I agree with you on when you show blade Luke cage black panther Sam Wilson captain America have him be the falcon or icon or blue marvel
Good video brother, even though you come off as a conservative. As a leftist (not an extreme leftist) I actually agree and youve definitely earned my sub(not that you needed it).👍🏿👍🏿keep up the good work.
So coming off as conservative is a bad thing? Please elaborate because (not saying you are) I’m tired of black people continuing to build on the stereotype that black people are a political monolith.
@DR MANHATTAN For my comment to go above your head should be alarming to you. There was no implication of good nor bad. You injected that because you incapable of seeing left and right without making one good and one bad. I even went on to praise the brother and said I agree with him and subscribed. Do better ✌🏿✌🏿
@@OutsidetheQube “even though you come off as conservative”- that can be interpreted as a good or bad thing, so why even point that out? Nothing you said went over my head, in fact that is why I left a question mark… you know as in I’m asking a question. I actually don’t look at either side being good vs the other being bad, however it seems as though you are projecting. Also I put in parentheses that I wasn’t speaking specifically about you. See if you would have took the time to fully read what I wrote, I wouldn’t have to break down every little thing I said. Now, is there anything else you are unclear about? If not please answer the first question I asked.
Preach bro
In a world where John David Washington EXISTS, Disney-Marvel decided to kill off the Black Panther character instead of re-casting T'challa 🤦♂️
#getwokegobroke
Excellent take you are correct
Initially I was 🤔💭💭💭
"where is this brother going with this?"
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Movies have symbolism...
Can't forget about Leroy from Barry Gordon's The Last Dragon :3
Great analysis as always I agree they should have just brought back KM to be BP for just this one time! Marvel please recast BP and we vote to replace Nate Moore for Laymans Journal!!
LOL! Thanks Bro!
@@laymansjournal 😆👊🏽
redemption arcs are the best always overtimes
Tbh didn't we get enough of the Women King movies? It's sad that they don't want to highlight black men, only black girl magic. Black men are the punching bags for all races and genders, especially if you are angry. Strong men make easier times, easier times make weak men, then the cycle repeats. Be strong, Men.
Definitely killmonger as black panther 2
Good video
I like your idea of Killmonger being black panther 💯💯
Facts. Killmonger would have been perfect. Redeemed. Atleast, until his son T ‘Challa could compete for throne.
What about introducing Hector Alaya and/or Kasper Cole for more black male/Latin male representation if there was a chance to change something form BP2WF?! Lol, that's my suggestion or alternative and make a story where Kasper Cole temporarily becomes BP while Shuri assumes the throne, given she is Wakandan, Kasper Cole isn't, but the only problem is, would an artificial heart shape herb work on Kasper Cole to give him powers similar to the authentic heart shaped herb too, but just a "dumb down version" cause the herb should only work for Wakandians particularly and don't want to add comic book lore, considering mcu does its own thing anyways and ignores lots of canon stuff for the directors and writers take on the lore
Sorry not going to happen because Disney hates men now.
I was open to the idea of Killmonger still being alive. Going into the movie I was hoping that maybe Namor's people found him and nursed him back as he was tossed into the ocean.
They ABSOLUTELY should’ve brought back Michael B Jordan!! They should’ve paid him whatever it took to make that so!! He could save the franchise he’s the only one who makes sense, not to mention he is the former king’s biological son, the heir. Then bring Storm into the story played by .. hell I donno … Sonequa Martin-Green and build the story from there. That’s what I would’ve like to see
They should've made M'Baku Black Panther.
Point blank period💯‼️
On Halloween Their Were Many Children Dressed As SPIDERMAN AND SUPERMAN. Representing Matters
Facts
My only issue which is small, but does hold weight as your video intelligently points out. You call killmonger a misguided thug at 11:09 . He actually served his country , fought and killed people for his country , albiet to kill T'challa and ultimately to have his chance to be king. But never a thug. But I'll chalk it up to your misconception, Much respect keep upbthe good work👍🏿
He was misguided. He had good intentions but poor execution.
Killmonger was a great modern day villain/anti-hero who actually had an interesting and complex backstory to explore. They totally could have given him a redemption arc that reunited him and reconciled him with his African heritage and people. But no, instead the director decided to have T'challa repeat the mistakes of his father Tchaka and essentially kill his own brother, instead of trying to find a way to redeem him. I'll never understand why black people have such self hatred and loathing for themselves and their community, to the point where they allow all forms of media to exploit and promote the most negative aspects of the black experience
Truth!💯
The real question is, who had the final say in the making of this movie? Who are they and what are their cultures? Who's throwing the rocks and hiding their hands like they want to hide strong young black boys and men?🤔
Bro, you put my thoughts and feelings on the movie and other issues in the Black community perfectly
You have Real Talent.
I would like to see killmonger vs sabretooth
Agree 100%
This guy gets it, spiderman can stay white we already have powerful black marvel characters we can use 👍 in the movies
Not going to pay for that.. I’ll see it eventually when’s it’s free, they cancel me out why support it
Agreed
You are absolutely right, Sir! There is an obvious AGENDA in Hollywood. There is so much propaganda out there it ain’t even funny! The anti-male, woke, feminist, I’m not homophobic but the Super, over the top, support and representation of all that is LGBTQ in all of these movies, tv shows and commercials is unbelievable! Black Panther should have been re-casted and Denzel Washington’s son, John David Washington would have been perfect! Showing men as weak and more feminine, while making women more masculine is what’s been happening and is totally ASS BACKWARDS! Go ahead and add (John Stewart), as another character to admire who was BLACK and one of the most POWERFUL Green Lanterns!
What about M'Batu as The New King 🤴 of Wankada in Wankada Forever.
Many of us black women rejected this woke Black Panther 2 movie for this very reason. We need our strong black men. We need them back in the homes and communities. We need them as positive role models for our children. Their is no future without them. How could they do this to us? It's time for us to take a stand together black men and black women. I will not support anyone or anything that tears down our people or divides us as a race. We must move forward together. I hope they realize that we aren't buying into this we are strong black women; we don't need a man BS anymore. They keep hammering this misconception. WE DO NEED YOU BLACK MEN. I hope more of us will start telling the truth about it.
All facts 👌🏾👏🏾
Glad you put a example for us atheist... Because I know what a parable is but didn't know the verse spoken... 👏🏽👏🏽
Actually kill monger was bought back to life a few times in the comics..lol
What of Namor?
I guess if you want it done right ✅️, We have to do it ourselves
I'm reluctantly going to see it in a few minutes. I thought either Killmonger should've been brought back or T'Challa recasted. I knew the M-SHE-U was going to keep getting pushed.