Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Falls Short Of The Original Film. Why?
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- Опубликовано: 31 дек 2022
- Adjusted for Inflation, it would have gross $1.6 Billion to tie with the Original Film.
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Yeah, once Boseman died, Marvel used his death as an excuse to fast-track their M-She-U agenda, and kill off the male superhero T'Challa. 4 Thor films, 3 IM films, 3 Cap films, 3 Antman films, multiple Spider-Man & Batman films w/6 actors "recasted". But T'Challa?...nope... only 1 film, & he's got to go now. Total disrespect to the character T'Challa, all to push an agenda.
I'm so glad the movie failed.
They removed a strong black male image. And gave us a " I am woman , hear me roar" , " no black men allowed" movie.
Congrats Ryan , you played yourself. 😂😂😂
Can't lie I'm tire of seeing movies where it seem like the woman or women are smarter stronger better than the man in all areas
You guys act like women aren't strong or smart as men in some cases. Wasn't nothing wrong with that movie. Just your whole perception is whack.
@@i-95southfloridaboy55 movie failed for a reason😮💨😎
Why do some film &/or book writers seem to like suggesting that competent, strong, virtuous Black women AND men are mutually exclusive of each other?
In some ways the most heroic character in the first film was Killmonger's father. Killmonger himself was too ruthlessly corrupted. T'Chaka too heartlessly inflexible. W'Kabi was a traitor. M'Baku a Luddite. T'Challa himself was too naive of his father's actions, and money of his better character elements were symphonies off to supporting characters ( like giving Shuri his genius). So yeh, the women really shined in the first film. Many of us longtime Black Panther accepted that, expecting to see more of "our" T'Challa in HIS 2nd film right? Instead Coogler & co. exploited Chadwick Boseman's tragic passing to push the "mantle" bs on us, and pointlessly discard the ONLY fully positive Black male left in the franchise. There are actually many Black women who didn't want T'Challa killed off for Shuri; called "traitors" by "feminists" in the "kill T'Challa" camp.
Sometimes I wonder if there's an agenda to generate resentment between Black women & men. Wouldn't be the first time for something like that.
At one point in U.S. history emancipated Black people and women suffragettes were being manipulated against each other, so that ... others could hold on to the real controls.
@@ronn-ammon8975 bro..... Who tf cares who wanted T'challa to be recasted or not. The movie was made how it was made and did great. It's just you critics can't stomach that Shuri had her spotlight.
Get over it and put your own money up to produce. A movie how you wanted it to be.
It's not really so much the messaging as it is that people whose message is the primary reason for the movie can't seem to write entertaining movies. It's the same reason few Christian movies are good (and I say that as a Christian). It's possible to make a show that's diverse but entertaining. It's possible to make shows with strong female leads that are entertaining. But when the story itself was written for no other reason than to display diversity or strong womanhood...that's not going to be a good story.
All one needs to do to see messaging can be done well is look at the very existence of the X-Men. If all these current movies could do it half as well as the mutants, I highly doubt everyone would have such a problem with it
@@zeroattentiongaming820 Yes. That's what the X-Men comic was originally created to do.
But we can see how modern writers totally misunderstand the assignment when they make even X-Men characters have to explicitly represent specific groups...the writers totally fail to understand "analogy" and "metaphor."
Brother your box office analysis is so accurate. Pre pandemic, my wife and I would see 1 -3 movies a week. We loved the movies. Even during the pandemic we put those stupid mask on and saw whatever showed up at the theater. Even old classics. But since Hollywood fully reopened the quality of films has precipitously fallen as far as quality of the stories and the CGI in marvel movies. So we’ve gone from a see everything strategy to only going we something really calls to us. It has nothing to do with the pandemic for us. You are so right. Tired of the agenda being used as replacement for story
Yeah, YOU and your WIFE. And Wakanda Forever didn't open in China either. It did well for what it was up against. Black men need to stop being insecure. It's also a movie that is PAN-AFRICAN. Not black American. Stop clinging onto an identity that isn't yours
The MCU deserves to fail. Disrespect of the source material is a poor way to make movies (coupled with the clear agenda and poor scripts), therefore losing money may be the only way for the studios to finally understand one simple fact: their movies suck.
This is the 2nd time an Asian role goes to ANOTHER minority …. The Ancient One and now Namor …
That's BS, he's just trying to thread the needle and placate all the real Black Panther fans he disrespected, by weaving a tale.
No, black American men are insecure. This movie was tonnes better than the first. You need to swallow up your pride because Shuri will lead 3 more movies of this. That T'Chala kid is gonna take a while to age.
@@suezcontours6653 Marvel is feminizing all their lines, the same way they're doing with Hulk, Iron Man, Doctor Strange, and Thor. Boseman happened to die at just the right time to make it easy for them.
@@rdkirk3834 So what? Black men still dotn own a Kingsom. No need to had you up
@@suezcontours6653 I don't know what that meant.
This demonstrates a lack of integrity that is unforgivable and I'm done with his "product."
Recast T'Challa members were the fans that buy most of black panthers stuff. Most females watch the movie once. When you kill T'Challa off like that it really was no point in rewatchong the film. If Namor wasn't Mayan the film would have done even worst 😂. Hopefully whenever they reboot the black panther they do a 3 movie series on tchaka first
Like the Whitney Houston movie I took my mother to go see..it started off with a church scene a dysfunctional family scene..an then right after that she's hooking up with her so-called gay lover (that she herself denied having)..and that was the main focus throughout the movie..It was so distracting...😒
I find it hard to grasp that the same guy who gave us the Creed movies, in which the importance of father figures was highlighted, is behind this abomination of a sequel. 😑
Thank you! No more agenda driven movies, music, streams etc. We all deserve a break, life is hard enough.
This man is 100% right. No one can prove this man wrong on this.
Well said
Great analysis! Preachy actors turn off general audiences too. I refuse to watch movies that have annoying woke actors starring in them. Hollywood needs to tell their actors to shut the hell up about divisive social issues and get their writers to stop making agenda driven garbage, if they don't make those changes, their audience will continue to shrink, who knows, reading may make a comeback.
This is what I knew would happen.
When you take the main character away, the audience goes with him
It did well for what it was up against. Black men need to stop being insecure. It's also a movie that is PAN-AFRICAN. Not black American. Stop clinging onto an identity that isn't yours
@ Suez Contours
Why don't you stop trying to undermine Pan-African unity, by trying to impose a negative agenda. Particularly were it has nothing to do with the subject matter, or the OC.
@ Elitron Prime
And now some of the same ones who wanted the main character taken away are hypocritically complaining because the rest of us won't throw our money at something we don't want.
@@ronn-ammon8975 Black Americans ARE a negative agenda. You have a destructive mentality and violent culture
@ Suez Contours
Saw your prejudiced, racist, assumption of a reply in my mailbox, but by the time I got back to this thread it had already been deleted.
I completely understand if you deleted yourself out of shame; but regardless, thanx for confirming my expectations of you.
I did not see it. One phase four is hot garbage for the most and I am not going to throw my hard earn money at that. Then I was told that because of the color of my skin (not of my character)shouldn’t go on opening weekend. So I decided I will not go at all.
Dr. Umar gave us the clarification on why.
Nobody wants to watch Mexico Man and Black Lady panthers …. They want to watch the BLACK PANTHER, King T’Challa. Disney deserves to lose.
Can't believe that was a line the wrote rehearsed and film in that X-men movie. I'm over hear in tears 🤣🤣🤣
I groaned, like I was in pain, from the cringe of it, when I first heard it. But yes, it is hilariously bad.
@@laymansjournal It did well for what it was up against. Black men need to stop being insecure. It's also a movie that is PAN-AFRICAN. Not black American. Stop clinging onto an identity that isn't yours
He couldn’t do his original script cause Chadwick passed. Once that happened and they didn’t pursue recast, the script had to change
In light of the reports that Coogler & friends had plans to discard T'Challa even before Mr.Boseman's passing; I find his sudden claims about this other to be ... dubious, at best.
Regardless of covid or anti feminist resentment; expecting this film to earn as much money as the original was never realistic.
A big chunk of the 1st film's box office came from groups of people, like families, repeatedly going to see their new cinema icon, again & again. Because, save for a few sciences, it was a "feel good" movie. Disney/MARVEL actually promoted this film starting out with a funeral scene for T'Challa; and lots of people had no wish to see that heroic icon be dead & discarded even once. WHY the £¥({ would/should all those parents be expected to put their kids through such a negative experience even once, let alone repeatedly?!?
Based on the inability/unwillingness of some anti-recasters to distinguish between Chadwick Boseman and the character he played; I've long felt some of those in the "kill T'Challa" camp had a ... tenuous grip on reality. Can't help but wonder about anyone who really expected folks to spend more, or even as much, money seeing this multi layered insult of a film under any circumstances.
We get Mexican beating up the strongest nation in the mcu
It fell short cause it sucked! All those men in Wakanda and you mean to tell me a string bean 100lbs woman was the only one to carry the mantle!!!???
As next in line of the royal family she IS the most logical one for the so called "mantle". The REAL problem is that so many have bought the bs that the Black Panther character is about "the mantle", instead of the core character.
Nicely said and explained bro. Respect and thanks from France (Reunion Island 🇷🇪). Go get ‘em
I didn't know this film was out in the UK, genuinely have not seen any advertising for wakanda forever.
Another banger my brother! 🔥🔥🔥
Its underperforming because i didn't watched it
I gladly went to the theater to watch Top Gun: Maverick (2022) but I’ll be damned if I pay a dime to watch any cure MCU flicks.
Last Jedi was the beginning of the end
And just as the anyone who hated the 3 Star Wars trash fires was labeled as part of "toxic fandom"; the Disney sycophants are looking to redirect blame for THIS trash heap on Black Panther fans who've stayed clear, covid, insecure males, anything but bad studio decisions. Well if rejecting lame films makes one part of "the fandom menace", then where do I sign up & get my membership card?
You are ON POINT!!!
To be 💯 this should have been a Disney Plus show, a stepping stone to a better Black Panther sequel. Taking it a step further they should’ve just recasted T’Challa. T’Challa story was just starting literally just ramping up, just because Chadwick Boseman died doesn’t mean T’Challa dies. This wouldn’t have hurt his Chadwick’s legacy by any mean at all. But by doing this T’Challa’s Legacy in the MCU is hurt. This is all being said by a real Black Panther fan, not a 2018 Black Panther fan. Disney MCU Coogler dropped the ball on this one. By them making Shuri Black Panther and killing off T’Challa. That’s why I had 0 interest in seeing Wakanda Forever. Something I was looking forward to seeing since 2018 to completely being like I’m good on this one in 2022 had nothing to do with the pandemic, or anything else other than that whatever story was going to be told was going to be lackluster and weak. There were other choices for sure, but making Shuri the Black Panther was the worst one. After Chadwick Boseman died they should’ve just took a step back in general and came up with an actual plan, instead of quickly making the decision to not recast T’Challa, even if you went down this route you could still bring him back later on, but Wakanda Forever shouldn’t have been a movie when it would have made a better Disney Plus limited series.
Yes! I'm sick of feminization....sick of the Rainbow.
I believe Dr. Umar review got under Coggler's skin.
I think another affecting the poor perfomance of phase 4 might be the lack of overall story coherency and each movie possibly contradicting or retconning the ones preceding it. For example, stephen strange introduced us to the concept of multiverses and alternate dimensions existing simulaenously with the main universe which I'll call MCU-prime.
Then, avengers endgame goes to contradict it with the ability t use pym particles to travel to alternate universes while relegating the ifinity gems which were imprortant to the previous film to the background. Then loki further contradicts endgame by stating that infinity gems cannot be used outside of their original dimensions/universes which invalidates the final act of the endgame.
Phase 1 to 3 were liked because regardless of the quality of the individual movies because there was a level of overall coherency and contunity tying the movies and phases together with none trying to undermine the others, an issue plaguing comic books with retcons and reboots long before the disney buyout.
Now it looks like Kevin Fiege isn't naviagating the train behind the scenes and it's graudally becoming more obvious to casuals with Fury not bothering to contact Danvers to provide support during the chitauri invasion(Avengers 1) and the Ultron incident(Age of Ultron).
No proper explanation as to why Hydra was not aware of another shadow organisation existing that could be a threat to them (Black Widow) while killing anyone who's even slighty aware of someting wrong with the ir existence(The winter Soldier).
They said they'll take the response to phase 4 and course correct but I'm not optimistic about that at all.
I stopped watching mcu after Dr Strange 2, the movie was an utter mess.
Also the way they tried to make you sympathetic to Wanda despite all the shit she did is messed up.
Salute to the Journal
this episode made me sub🤟
I stand by what I said on your previous video, “Ryan is trying to stay face”. F BP2! Hollyweird don’t care about new & creative ideas. All they care about is “THE MESSAGE”.
I was not behind a BP sequel and was annoyed by the G-rated version of the first movie. Wasn't a fan of Shuri but at least, she was a killer in the comics, wiping out Atlantis. This is why I cringe whenever we're on screen because I know some nonsense is going to happen. Excellent vid bruh. 7 for 7.
Late to comment on this one, but has anyone else noticed how long Wakanda Forever has been in theatres? It seems Disney wants to milk as much money as possible so it can earn the title of the "biggest commercial female lead movie ever".....cough, cough!
New sub, thank you. Your voice is dope
Instead of recasting the first iconic black (male) superhero they cast his sister, a character that wasn’t popular during her run as the Black Panther in the comic books. With so little (positive) black male heroes on screen, T’Challa was needed in the MCU. With said, I didn’t enjoy the first feature or it’s problematic sequel.
I don't buy in to the MSHEU stuff I like good movies and good shows but Wakanda Forever underperformed because of the whole killing of T'challa
@ MeisterGeek
Exactly‼️ That ( the totally unnecessary killing of T'Challa) is the hard, simple truth that many seem to be trying to avoid.
To me the cough isn't the reason, people want to spend money to go to theaters to see movies. Badly written movies will make most stay away.. Cost at the theaters has made alot temper on what is watched. I pick and chose what I see in theaters and hasn't been much I want to see.
If marvel gone be lazy they shouldn't release there stuff in theaters
Another solid video 🤝 when you get the opportunity, please review “the best man: the final chapters” spoiler alert….. another emasculated black man smh
Thanks ✊🏿
Dr Strange 2 made FAR more than Dr strange 1 despite coming out in in the covid era. Period. BP's sequel should have made a jump to some extent.
It might've if it had been about something true Black Panther fans wanted to see.
Part of the reason 55% would rather watch movies at home is due to the way of life Covid made us change to. People have been conditioned to stay home more, even if theaters are opened up. Plus, a lot of movies can be streamed from home within a month of theater release. So, Covid still plays a factor because it changed the way people consume movies.
👋🏽🎤 … nothing left to be said
Can you put a link for the Forbes interview?
Layman's a big reason for this shift is that clown nate moore and the woman who got let go some months back. Nate basically said out of his mouth they dont want to hire a writer who knows the comics source material.
The movie was contrived and overcompensating. They should have waited another two years and recast.
I'm really tired of seeing that 2 men kissing clip but Ryan really didn't have any real influence that he wanted
God i think it going be bad with xman
X-women ???? !!!!
Simple..
Its was more feminist garbage like the Woman King!
In the true Marvel Lore...
The Black Panther is a Black man who is a King 👑, but also a superhero who is also a genius and master tactician... He's also one of the best hand to hand super heroes on the planet!
The Wakanda from the comics earned my heart in the bcuz they had the most advanced technology but still were traditional in culture and power structure...
Wakanda and The Black Panther are LITERALLY symbols of True Black Power.
I say all that to make this undeniable point...
They had to destroy the idea of The Black Panther at all cost...
Every last thing I just started about the original Cannon Black Panther lore ... Had nothing to do with white ppl🤷♂️💯..
That just puts a huge dent in the myth of white supremacy in the imagination!
The Black Panther/T'Challa character has always been too "positively Black" for some people.
Shortly after Lee & Kirby introduced T'Challa, DC comics responded to BLACK PANTHER, & his independently prosperous Black Africans w/ BLACK mANTa, a Black character whose initial motivation for villainy was wanting an independent Black homeland.
Don McGregor, writer of one of thee best Black Panther series, faced resistance from within Marvel when he decided to write about Wakanda as an all Black nation, instead of writing about a Tarzan type. Writer Christopher Priest's series was another of thee best; until he was "incouraged" to bring in 1/2 White Kasper Cole as a new BP ( maybe getting closer to being a nice "relatable. Tarzan type?), and sales plummeted so fast T'Challa couldn't be brought back in time to save the series. T'Challa wed Orroro/Storm culminating a long relationship (Years for us real folk, decades for them), becoming mainstream comix first Black "power couple". Voices within Marvel were among those saying it was an "unrealistic cliche" because they were both Black (never such problems w/ White couples). So they were broke up, so she could be Wolverine's bed wench.
Some voices didn't want there to ever be a Black Panther movie; or if so, for BP to anything but a straight Black man. Even though he still was, many of his best character attributes were siphoned off to his support characters, and he didn't get much chance to standout in his own movie. When Chadwick Boseman passed, some of those voices took the opportunity to join the "kill T'Challa" camp to assure he'd get no chance to standout in "his" sequel. Also some wanting to kill the chance of T'Challa & Orroro getting together in the MCU.
Meanwhile in comix, writer John Riddley seems hellbent on undermining any chance of a reconciliation of T'Challa & Orroro.
Some of us might indeed think there's an agenda against certain positive aspects of the Black Panther. But I'm sure those other voices, within & without Marvel/DISNEY; would just say we're being over sensitive &/or paranoid. Not like there's a discernible pattern, is there?
Look the audience of NBA, NFL. People like to see badass black men doing dope, athletic stuff. What they did? Cutt off all the male characters and put women being the warriors amd expect to attract a large public. Damn, even the first movie had sucess in attract women to see Michael B Jordan and Chadwick fighting shirtless. They don't know even what the average straight women likes to see too.
Easy the movie sucked plain and simple
Dam near all the other Black "super" heros are lame and need some white person to give them powers🤷♂️💯🤦♂️. (Falcon,war machine,etc)They don't even have real super powers🤷♂️💯..
If you know the real lore BP was 100% self made and so was Wakanda!
The Great Stan Lee made sure the Black Panther character was handled with respect when he was here..
$800 million is a failure? Cooler revised plot is product of Chad's unfortunate passing. This second BP movie wasn't released in china where the 1st made over $105 million! Let's enjoy our movies and stop searching for controversy.
It's a failure when it's half the earnings of the original, for a film that costs about twice as much as the original.
Maybe this 2nd BP movie would've been released in China if it had focused on the true core character instead of discarding him, (which was innately controversial no search needed); to focus on a hodgepodge of other stuff.
Maybe we'll be able to "enjoy our movies" when they don't discard what we want from them, in favor of what the producers think we'll have no choice but to accept.
Just the opposite! Most sequels underperform the original. Keep in mind this sequel was rejected by the China market for having an LGBTQ scene. That rejection likely cost the movie $150 million at the box office.
Wow they got a perverted scene too 😳 smh
That makes no sense given how much lgbt crap is in Chinese drama.
I watched it and I thought it was a clever way to hale in the new Black Panther as it would have been crazy too try and replace Chadwick Boseman. So by building it up to bring in baby Black Panther was the smartest way too do it. The writing could have been tighter and he should have consulted the comic and brought in a co-writer with a graphic novel background to help build that story arc. Some of the action scenes could have been better choreographed and killing off the queen was a mistake as Angela Bassett is the ultimate Badass action queen and she was grossly under used, Riri was poorly written and should have just been a cameo. Plus we must also remember the whole of the woke media turned against Letitia Wright because she chose not to get the jab and actually wanted her sacked and where constantly leaking fake stories about the production. The massive woke backlash definitely played a part in turning the audience off. As a Black Panther fan of the original comics I am looking forward to Black Panther 3.0.
Get real. The media never turned against Letitia. Some folks on black Twitter did a year ago but that was about it.
And another reason why those other listed movies have done better, is because those are white casted/directed films that draws more interest from white consumers, who are majority populated. They have a larger population pool to patronize their product.
Then how do you explain the overwhelming success of the first film? Y'know, aside from how the 1st introduced a new, universally embraced heroic cinematic icon; while this inferiorly written sequel discarded that hero whom so many viewers of the 1st film wanted more of?
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