Viola Davis defends «The Woman King” falsifying history to push its subversive message
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“The Woman King” has been subject to extensive criticism for its blatant falsification of history, so much so that star Viola Davis actually addressed the complaints to Variety.
@AndreEinherjar found the response to be most unsatisfactory.
In this editorial, he will begin with reiterating what the problem with “The Woman King” really is, before seeing Viola Davis had to say to her defense, and why what was said is tonedeaf and historyless beyond words.
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If you have to lie about or falsify history to make your "point," have you really made your point?
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So you didnt like braveheart? That movie was bullshit but still a dope film.
That you have no point except lying to make $$$🤮
under a diffrent light this movie could almost be seen as slavery propaganda
Yes according to Hollywood.
I'm sure Hollywood has already decided to give this movie every Oscar and Golden Globe award that exists
It actually deserves a few. It was sooo good.
Well, they give pedos like Roman Polanski awards in absentina. So not shocking.
I hear Viola Davis is in line for the Nobel.
Yup. And when the statue is awarded, Kimmel will be there prostrating himself.
I'm sure this bot account is going to post this same message on every video...
I can't understand why the film makers thought they couldn't entertain the audience with a rousing tale of enslavement and ethnic cleansing.
lol, at least it would have been something unique. black empowerment indeed
And don’t forget Feminist propaganda!
The rules in Hollywood: No black person, especially women, can do any wrong. Actually, no black person has ever done any wrong ever. Even Idi Amin. They believe this and it doesn't have to be proven. Any statement to the contrary is obviously racist.
Hotel Rwanda was pretty successful, but I guess it also didn't glorify the people committing the atrocity.
Its because now adays Black people, specially Black Womans cannot be portrayed on a bad image, they cant do anything wrong and everything they do is for a greater good in the name of equalitty through racail and sexual superiority over straight white males. Depicting the actual story here would be detrimental agaisnt this ideologh.
Interestingly Lupita Nyong'o was supposedly offered a role in this movie. Yet after reading the script she researched the actual history and turned down the role. If this is true I say hoorah for her. Clearly she has principles which she stands behind.
@Kevin Seeley
Citation needed for Lupita turning this down based on the facts she learned about the Dahomey.
@@DemonicRemption High Kudos on her part
@@DemonicRemption I found a buzzfeed article that says "Lupita Nyong'o, who was originally cast in the lead role of The Woman King, reportedly dropped out after learning about the Agojie's legacy during a visit to Benin."
I'm not going to research further because lazy and I don't care enough.
@@DemonicRemption she made a documentary about her research. 2019, I think the title was Warrior Women. She backed out of The Women King after that. I know she did interviews about her documentary. Dont know if she ever said she dropped out of the movie because of it.
@@mayloo2137 Yes, she didn't specifically say so, but her documentary truthfully reveals the savagery of the Agojie warriors and the involvement of the Dahomey in the slave trade. Subsequent to that, she dropped out of the production. There is are excepts from her documentary on RUclips. See, in particular, the last five minutes, where it's clear she was not up for glamorizing the Agojie. ruclips.net/video/U7SNqXACAao/видео.html&ab_channel=MatheusVandenBerghe
Depicting a woman who led her tribe to slaughter and decapitate innocent members of other tribes is something the actress depicting such a woman should never be proud of. That being said, it is good that people know about the horrendously cruel activities of the tribe and it's "Woman King."
So their edu-tainment worked. "If people want to learn more, they can investigate" and people learned about atrocities of Dahomey. Long live the Streisand effect
If only one good thing comes from this movie hopefully it will be that black Americans learn that it was Africans that sold other Africans into slavery and that it wasn't white men kidnapping them as the narrative has been told for decades now.
Same should be said about the actress,, oops I mean actor who played Guyadriel in ROP
You forgot to mention the part about doing all this purely for the purposes of acquiring slaves to be sold abroad
there's nothing even ambiguous about the role the Agoji played within the slave economy of Dahomey, they were active participants in the raiding and wars purely motivated by the need to acquire captives to sell to euorpean slave traders. This is is why this film should, and to a large extent clearly does, bother modern african viewers.
@@petriew2018 bullshit. The sold those who sold them in the first place. Yes the sold theirs own, acquire gun to fight the Muslim slave trade more effectively, no one was innocent in that shit. But did what must be done to survive, other wise there will be no Benin today . And they recognized that , they admitted their fault. But you white people when are you gonna pay the reparations you promise to the blacks American... Hmmm... White Boys.
All I hear when she talks, "we wanted to make a story about good nazis so we just had to write a story where there were some good ones and they convinced hitler to give up the camps until the evil British forced them to reopen them"
This is like making a movie being apologetic to the Confederates in Gods and Generals.
The female Fuhrer
Well there was *Valkyrie* but that was actually base on true story.
Never watched 300 then? They were the baddies but also friggin badass in the movie
Germany were the good guys in WWII; try again, sheep.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Rewriting history in stories is a great example of it.
Changing history like this is a dangerous path...
"he who controls the past now controls the future" (though in the case it's the shes trying to control the past)
Viola's agent or publicist should have grabbed a hold of her and told her not to do this movie. Thank you, Midnight's Edge, for telling the TRUTH, which always hurts.
If they were actually genuine and above board the movie would have opened with a text screen saying "this movie is a work of fiction. While some of the characters within are actual historical figures, their personalities, roles and story is entirely fictional". That would have prevented all of this.
They didn't, of course, because they were hoping no one would say anything or anyone who did would be white and easily silenced by being called racist. They were wanting this movie to slip by and maybe, just maybe, make the unwitting think it was true.
Makes me wonder why they didn’t think anyone would fact check them. Especially when I’m sure they’ve been called out on their revisionist bs before.
@@MyShiroyuki I guess they thought they had done enough brainwashing the last few years that most people would just accept it as fact (and I'm sure there were a lot of people who did).
They probably also thought the black community would be so behind the idea that they would just accept it as fact, hell from what I heard, there were a lot of black people who actually thought the fictional kingdom in "Black Panther" was real or was that just a meme? I know I saw a lot of clips of black people talking about it like they thought it was a real place.
I guess this is yet another indication that the far left thinks black people are stupid.
I doubt they really cared if the complaints come from white people or not, the defenders of stuff like this typically talk over black people and pretend all complaints are from racist white people anyway. The same as they do when women complain about bad "strong woman" films.
@@MyShiroyuki Probably because they had a built-in defence to use as a shield if anyone did that; "You hate strong woman/black leads".
Not only that, they could have just made up a fictitional tribe instead of putting out the name of an actual people whose history is a bit ... genocidal.
"They were looking for some way to keep their civilization and kingdom alive."
There was an Austrian about a century ago who had a similar objective.
It did not go well for anybody.....
He fought for his country, as a soldier and as a leader, he led his nation out of crisis, poverty and weakness to become a great power. He struggled against communists and imperialists who cared only about preserving their empires. He SOUNDS a lot better than a butcher who provided victims for mass human sacrifices to the spirit of her nation's dead kings.
@@xhagast Isn't it funny how you can describe him like the above and many people would believe him to be a great person, right up until you say his name.
He was also a good painter.
@@donkeysunited think that was the point, the fact that his goals were that way is why his people (the average civilian) didn't realize there was a problem until it was far to late
And he tried to warn the world of the impending marxist/communist enslavement of humanity. Talk about editing history. Who do you think invented communism? Who do you think pioneered the cultural marxist left? Who do you think runs the press, corporations, banks, and have the world leaders in their pockets? I'll give you a hint: the austrian tried to warn us about them. Even small hat Benjamin Freidman and Harry Waton tried to tell the world that the hostility towards the small hats are brought upon themselves.
@@xhagast "Gentlemen, I've come to the inexcusable conclusion that we have fought on the wrong side. This entire war we should have fought with the fascists against the communist, not the other way around. I fear that perhaps in 50 years America will pay a dear price and become a land of corruption and degenerate morals."
George Patton (July 21, 1945)
Taken from an excerpt from his speech I copied from the library of congress.
"We made a monster, a devil out of hitler. Therefore, we couldn't disavow it after the war. After all, we mobilized the masses against the devil himself. So we were forced to play our part in this diabolic scenario after the war. In no way we could have pointed out to our people that the war was only an economic preventive measure."
James Baker US Foreign Minister 1992
Well, this is why Lupita Nyong'o turned down the leading role. It was supposed to be her. But, she did her homework for the role, and then she turned down the role. That's why she was replaced with Viola Davis.
If this movie hadn't claimed to be based on true story and they didn't try to shame me into watching it, then I would have at least given it a chance. But no they didn't.
They lie to my face saying it was a true story, and they did so in an attempt to change history to feed the ego of people willing to do whatever it takes to feel more important.
And they had to try and shame me into watching their flick which made me even more pissed. And I'm not looking to be educated in my entertainment.
I don't carry what I watch in fiction with me into the real world anyway. Why should I? I come to relax and be entertained, not lectured.
By the end of the day I learn from my experiences, and what it has taught me is that their form of edutainment is just another word for someone to wear a mask and wag their finger at me like I'm a dog needing to be scolded and trained, instead of a human being.
That's how the high and mighty of Hollywood see the rest of the world: dogs to be trained.
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When they lie it is because of their righteousness message! Just because it is false it does not mean it is not true!
What....
@@jennifersmith634 Are you directing your what to me? Do you think the actions of these people don't make sense?
This movie makes Mel Gibson's Braveheart and The Patriot look historically accurate by comparison! They should have done their movie on Nanny the Maroon Queen.
Here's me playing the smallest
Viola Davis.
Boo Hoo feminists
They might call themselves “feminists” but they have just stolen that word. What they really want to be is dominant. Today’s self-styled activists (particularly the American ones) are offensively reductive and dishonest, and seem to be more about creating division and hierarchies, rather than the rather more difficult and complex task of evolving society towards its greater good, taking all of us into account equally.
For years the justification for "Diversity and Inclusion" has been that people won't go see entertainment that they don't feel represented in. Now all of a sudden, we have "Human Stories" that are supposed to appeal to everyone. I'm getting whiplash from the change in direction.
Yes they have to put all the marginals in the movies but you have to go see it otherwise you are a phobe or a racist: Cognitive dissonance as a culture.
Where DID this weird hollywood YOU HAVE TO SEE YOURSELF thing come from? It sounds like a load of bollocks scifi and fantasy has always been for everyone and never needed wokey americans to come along and reinvent them.
I'm Chinese, and will watch all sorts of movies. I don't need to see myself represented on screen. I'm older and don't care about that kind of bs.
@@mayloo2137 If you're Chinese living in China, you'll watch whatever the party tell you to watch. And you'll watch it, and like it, or else...
If the portrayal of the subjugation of human beings was the determining factor in historical movies not being shown, because said movie didn't depict that subjugation, then there would be a shit ton of British, American, Spanish, Japanese, and French films that wouldn't get made.
F in the chat for all the journalists who were ready to publish an article calling all criticism against this movie raycist 😔✊️
@And The Wild Appears
They can still pull the race shield, because ommiting black voices that criticize depictions of blacks in media these clods promote is as easy as pie to these yokols.
The typical "Get out of jail free" card liberals love to throw in one's face.... Not working anymore
The Dohomey tribe / the Fon people in whats known today as benin. are descendants of the tribe of Dan. The snake is represented by the tribe of Dan in the biblical ancient 12 tribes of Israel. The tribe of Dan will be as a judge to the rest of the other tribes 11tribes. . The biblical 12 tribes of Israel and be biblical Egyptians we're black people. The black people in western, Central, south, east Africa. The continent of Africa is the promised land. The land of Canaan. The ancient city of Atlantis has been found in the continent of Africa In the Sahara desert. Many thousands years ago. The Sahara desert was a lush green land. Atlantians had a connection with the biblical Egyptians. They were black people. Even the name whydah is a Hebrew israelites name. Whydah =Judah, a place in south benin. YAOUNDE. The capital of Cameroon. Yaounde or YAHOUDAH in biblical Hebrew means JUDAH or YAHOUDAH..v
@@Passportbros8
Citation needed.
It is nice to see people connecting with history in a good way.
This is my one worst fear. As something of a historian it makes me so mad that Hollywood has taken it upon itself to rewrite history whenever or wherever it sees fit to meet the agenda it is pushing. For a lot of people historical movies and tv shows is as close to learning about history as they will ever get and they will go away with the idea that what they saw is accurate without researching it themselves. Hollywood must be held to a stricter code when it comes to telling stories of historical events or people.
Yes. Exactly this.
@@MidnightsEdge I wouldn't use the History Channel's Vikings as an example of creative licence in adapting history to film because they took more than just licence. They were just as guilty as this movie in claiming the historical accuracy of their show. For one Ragnar died nearly a century before Rollo became a noble in France so I doubt they even met much less could have even been brothers. Yet they claimed it was the most historically accurate TV show ever made. In fact I wouldn't cite anything the so called History Channel does in defense of history because they haven't produced anything based on actual history in decades.
I'm an historian, as well. It pains me to listen to my family members try and start conversations about history by explaining scenes from Braveheart and 300 to me.
@@AV57 LOL, I feel your pain. Though I must admit I did enjoy 300 and Braveheart. 300 is an up and up adaption of Frank Miller's crazy comic, so I expected the inaccuracies ... I mean monsters and all, come on;) Braveheart I enjoyed just because it is a kick ass movie. Yes, I wince every time I watch the Battle of Stirling Bridge ... with no bridge, but they did a few things right, for example the long spears the Scot's used to stop the heavy cavalry the English used and the way the English noblemen rode roughshod over the Scots. However, of course, they had Isabella falling for Wallace which could never have happened, and many other inaccuracies which has gained it, I believe, the title of the most historically inaccurate Hollywood movie ever .... though I think going by recent movies its title is in jeopardy, lol.
@@ukmediawarrior oh yeah, they are great movies. My main issue with movies of that sort is people get so emotionally invested in them that they have to be retaught history, which can often be quite difficult. I also think it breeds mistrust in historicity, in general, because people learn that they can be tricked into learning false history easily. I've had several discussions with people who just wave away any idea that we can accurately state historical facts, because there's just too much to be gained from spreading false history.
May I coin a phrase? Blacklash..
That made me snigger
Lame 🖕👎
I am no expert on history, especially African History but the little bit I know was enough that when I seen the preview the first time I rolled my eyes knowing that it would be virtue washed of any negative traits the subject matter would actually held to promote "the message".
I called it Box Office Bomb when I first saw anything for this movie. It gave me Cutthroat Island vibes.
The Woman King was literally black female Captain America. Only in Captain America you got glimpses of US flaws. CA being send to put up a show on stage... Only in America...
lol a bit like movies and series like Rome, Ertrugul, vikings all not historically accurate
I know of some channels that can provide context.
@@blademanx does that justify or excuse what happened in this movie?
If I'm going to write a story about a family man who is just trying to do the right thing, I'm not going to tag line it "Based on the life and times of Joseph Stalin"
If you ever needed an example of how out of touch and tone deaf Hollywood is, this film’s script getting approved and the marketing around it would be a shining example
I’m glad that the members of the black community who found it in poor taste spoke out, because lord knows the rest of us couldn’t have without the utterly predictable “ racist, sexist, bigot “ accusations being thrown around
I have no problem with viola Davis, or any black actresses being cast in leading roles, but this one was just not gonna play out well, could have worked as a piece of fiction but the historical basis really doesn’t jive with the tone or message imo
The problem is that Hollywood always needs protagonists that people can root for. The two scriptwriters showed them their script and they said yes without thinking about the backlash the film could bring.
I would have preferred to see an historically accurate depiction of the Dahomey kingdom made by director Steve McQueen.
well look at who was behind it.. man-hating Maria Bello
The interesting thing is the media can't decide which side of the argument is being 'woke' because both old and new definitions of the word are at work here.
@@cyryc both of them are misandrist d**es
The script got approved because the studio heads don't go into that much detail when deciding if they are going to fund a movie. They were told that it's a movie about black female empowerment and we can ride the coattails of the popularity of Black Panther so they said do it. Now that they know the truth hopefully the writer and producer that sold it to them won't be able to get any more work.
Any movie made about Columbus in today’s Hollywood would portray him as literally a blood soaked madman bent on the genocide of helpless POC Natives. Lol.
He was indeed a Madman but he was also very incompetent.
Not far off the truth.
Don't forget mass raping.
Exactly lol
Yeah, because that is what he was and we already have plenty of movies showing him as a hero. Can you name 3 hollyweird movies that shows Columbus as a Villain?
I can give you a long list of Hero Columbus movies.
WOW! Christopher Columbus destroyed a whole culture... BY HIMSELF?!! He's even more impressive than I thought!
You can’t market a movie as based on a true story and then make everything up 😂.
The movie looked cool in the trailers I saw of it, it would have been best if they'd stick to a fantasy setting or alternate history style movie instead of claiming it was based on History.
I get the feeling that the people who made the movie treated it as fantasy. In other words, the only research they did was see African Amazons and made up some BS female empowerment fantasy story to bolt onto those two words.
There is no such thing as alternate history. There is only history or there is fantasy.
Even if it was an alternate history, it be wouldn't make sanitizing one of the most horrific group of people in the world any better.
Fantasy, sure. Something like that might’ve worked fine (though I would have recommended removing any European analogues so it doesn’t look silly). As for alternate history, I can’t think of a single film that has actually done that that wasn’t a time travel story. I don’t think a true alternate history film has ever been made. Everything that doesn’t match history so far has simply been some kind of error.
If it was a fantasy setting/Alternate History it'd be fine.
One good thing that came out of this Movie is more people are learning who the Dahomey really were and how they were true monsters.
You must love savage slavers who sold black africans into bondage, held slaves and sacrificed thousands in rituals if you like this film.
So you like mass murder if you like any war movie then
I’m not bothered by movie violence.
I have to ask
What the hell were Maria Bello and Dana Stevens thinking when they picked this part of history to make a female empowerment fantasy?
they were thinking no one would fact check them that weren't white male historian that they could just say were sexist and raceist
As someone who studied late Republican and early Imperial Roman history in college, I strongly recommend the HBO series "Rome." That show is an excellent example of how it's possible to use known historical events as a framework for a story, then fill in the gaps with things that might or might not have actually happened, but are always at least plausible. And it pretty accurately depicts both aristocratic and plebian Roman life, something that most historical shows set in the time period ignore entirely. Hmm...I think I'm going to bust out my old dvds and give "Rome" another viewing.
Rome IS worth another viewing... I think I will do the same... The story wasn't half as interesting as the backdrop.
lol "fill the gaps"
Rome is probably the most concentrated effort to accurately portray history.
This movie is like saying *Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter* is also base on true events.
Never cared about Sisko´s skin color. He was simply THE commander, later captain of DS9 and to this day my favorite. It feels like we regressed after the 90s/early 2000s.
he was definite the most human the way his character changed over the series (unlike Janway who was just a self serving bitch, Q "I can get you and your crew home, no strings attached" Borg " we will betray you" Janway "Imma side with the Borg"
And what about all the great TV shows in the 70s & 80s that had great casts - Good Times, The Jeffersons, What's Happening, Sanford & Son, Different Strokes, etc. Nobody made any mention about the cast being black, it was just great entertainment. And one of the greatest actors to ever grace the silverscreen to me was always Sidney Poitier & no one ever brought up his skin color. Give me a break with all this BS that Hollyweird pushes now.
Artistic Liberties - An excuse for the mangling of something where it no longer resembles the original piece that it was based on. Common in flim making and books when the author or director changes the storyline, characters, setting, etc. to try and draw in more viewers/readers. A derogative term in all senses.
How many historical -ish movies have ever reached that high bar though?
They're all going to be dramatized to some extent.
@@ericvulgate But this was a movie about black people so everything about it is a problem.
@@ericvulgate There is dramatized and there is falsely designated as historical. Guess what this one is...
In this case they are not trying to change someone elses story though, they are trying to rewrite human history.
The way some of the people on my timeline are defending this movie and even shaming Lupita for not taking the role, I am not surprised of this attitude
The Woman King is to history what the Rings of Power is to Tolkien's works. I'm surprised Bad Reboot wasn't involved.
I recently watched fritz the car from the 60s and one part made me laugh because there were 3 cats ( white women) who were talking to a black crow ( black dude) telling him how they understood the black struggle and on and on. This could have been taken out of most movies today where the white women write shit like this thinking they are doing " the black" man a favor. Its hilarious how these white women needed to write a black story for black people, and if we are so into diversity how many Asians are in this movie along with Hispanics? We need to see the real world as its seen today, even in fantasy realms right? Rings of Power people are you listening? Or is that the sound of hyprocity I hear?
Geez, a hand drawn film from the 60's contains a scene that aged as fine wine
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Pretty sure the point is that it still has relevance now. And it was the 70s.
It was made in the 70's....
@@XenoJehuty84 I assumed it was the 60s cause it talked about hippies and smoking weed all the time, I thought that was mostly done in the 70s with the rise of disco and cocaine.
These Hollywood movie people must think we are still living in the 1800's, Hey Hollywood we have iPhones, tablets and computers now we can research any subject for accuracy in less than 5 minutes. Stop distorting history with your fake / bad movies that Black people don't want to see, for sure other ethnic groups white people included will not be paying their hard-earned money to see this historic propaganda..
Edutainment is telling us how it actually happened and making it watchable, changing the historical context is not edutainment, it's propaganda.
you already know the masses will take this at face value and forget about the truth before the end of the year
that is what the were planning, because the SJWs need to keep being the victims to stay relevant, once they finally achieve their goal of equality they will no longer be needed.
I wonder how many Academy Awards this movie is going to win, because it is clear that they decided that it was going to win.
It's disturbing that this is the trend Hollywood is going.
This needed shots of Iceman coughing "Bull****" into his hand.
They essentially tried to make a historical drama without the historical part. At that point, you just have a drama series.
If you think history is boring blame your history teacher
agreed most I had just read to book in a tone that'd put Ben Stein to sleep
The problem for them is we did do our historical research, that's why it's been called out. I'm glad someone listened.
Fin Historical facts:
The Dahomey people, on which this movie is based, were a savage, brutal people in West Africa who waged war against neighboring African countries, and sold men, women and children captives as slaves to Europeans. They also kept captives AS slaves to work the royal plantations.
They also used prisoners of war in human ceremonial sacrifices to their Dahomey kings. Up to 500 people were sacrificed at any given time.
When The British Empire attempted to end slave trade, The Dahomey actually defied them in order to PRESERVE slave trade.
The Homey tribe
They were basically the Magneto of the West. The kingdom was small and vulnerable compared to the empires that surrounded them. Scare tactics were just one more to in a kill or be killed mind set.
Been a slave master is definitely a female empowerment story we all need to see.
After closer examination of this movie I think this kinda reveals the answer to why we don't see more historical films set in Africa. This immediately burst the prevailing black narrative in the US.
Nollywood?
The Last Kingdom is probably the only form of "edutainment" that actually worked because it did encourage people to go look up the actual history and all it did was make people love the show more because yes the show was it's own story it still respected the history and the story it was based around.
Again, fictional characters, realistic backdrop.
Bernard Cornwell is a legitimate historian, so he understands the nuance of filling in the gaps of history without contradicting what we have good reason to believe about history. Your typical Hollywood screenwriter probably couldn't pass a 4th grade social studies test.
Stop taking illicit drugs !!
They get money from the ignorance of people, that is the sad part of all of this.
That's 4 Movies now, 3 Stur Wurz and now this one where John Boyega has had his Prominent Male Role EMASCULATED.
"Who gives a shit about the truth, we need your money"
No... No one wants to watch a movie and be lectured. Or either "EDUCATED" with falase information.
If people want that, they just watch news or a documentary.
They could have situated this movie in a fantasy world all its own, rather than passing it as an historical work, which would have given any social message they cared to represent the merest *chance* for poignancy.
The Agojie were facilitators of the slave trade, raiding, killing, and capturing members of other tribes to sell to the Oyo Empire, which sold slaves to French and Portuguese slave traders along their coastal territory, until the British Empire abolished this practice.
This is one part of the long and storied history of the Agojie, the elite female warriors of the Kingdom of Dahomey. Without that context, they're allowed to be heroes. Maybe that's necessary to make an entertaining picture, but it doesn't make for a good historical work.
If they relally wanted to get fictional; they coulda told a story about rebel Agojie warriors; ones originally captured and put into the Agojie but were maybe from the Yoruba clan originally, and as such; they try to usurp the Dahomey from within
The positive about the existence of this film and the ruckus around it, is that it will promote learning. People who might have seen this film and absorbed it as truth will, at least, be aware other people have an alternate understanding of this story and that they might do well to do some reading of their own. Last week, I had not heard of the Dahomey, nor the extent africans were involved in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Now I do. Thanks, 'The Woman King'.
And if you are white this movie serves you right. Now you can blame Africans too if anyone ever accuses your forefathers of slavery or your white privilege. How convenient!
“that is patently bullshit”. what clarity! i wish the woke crowd heard this every minute of every day!
If the portrayal of the subjugation of human beings was the determining factor in historical movies not being shown, because said movie didn't depict that subjugation, then there would be a shit ton of British, American, Spanish, Japanese, and French films that wouldn't get made.
They could always make a movie out of H Rider Haggard's "She" [who must be obeyed].
So in the TV show they "win" against the European colonizers.
So will we have the Custer's Last Battle where Custer wins?
Worked for the Ashanti.
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped." George Orwell (1984)
I wouldn't have watched it because it does not have anything to do with black people in this country. But I didn't know this was a real history tribe. Thanks for the knowledge. 👍
I'm all for being flexible with history and telling the story you want to tell, especially when you're really just inspired by, and you're not really trying to tell a real story. And maybe that's what this is. But it hadls huge pretentions toward history, and moreover toward direct propaganda. And the thing they're using as the basis for that propagandist story is actively antagonistic to it, on multiple levels. It's explicitly disingenuous and misleading. And for people who pretend to be so radically sensitive and politically correct and so eager to only tell acceptable stories about acceptable heroes (and erase or burn everyone else to the ground), it's hypocritical that they would tell a story so disrespectful and dishonest to African peoples (many of whom are fully aware of how dishonest it is to their own history, as victims of the Dahome). As history, it's not only not the whole truth, or a more exciting truth, it's a fricking hypocritical lie.
I didn't even know about the true story before I saw the trailer and I could already tell that the "based on a true story" was pretty sus.
It’s pretty pitiful that filmmakers think real history is boring and they can’t educate, entertain, be historically accurate, and draw viewers to the theaters. Just pitiful
Viola Davis is gaslighting 😂
Tired of hear how "horrible" Columbus was supposed to be, when in reality he was actually much kinder than most know.
Because you were there?
Have you read his letters!? Didn't think so!
You clearly never read his travel journals. Sit you dumb ass down.
trollin?
Exactly
Someone should show Bill Maher's recent New Rule segment to Viola's husband. He criticized the concept of fictionalizing the past and judging history through a modern lens.
It should be criminal to falsely depict a movie as historically accurate if it contains falsehoods
I love Viola Davis but this is something I can't get behind
Holy carp! I keep clicking on videos within the first minute of availability! I'm never on time like this!
EDIT: YEAH! I really believe the 15 men in the Dahomey nation that weren't enslaved could force the thousands of woman they trained as their army to do anything!
Lol, nice
"Blaxploitation: A film genre of the 1970s featuring African-American actors and often having anti-establishment plots, sometimes criticized for stereotypical characterization, and glorification of violence."
Hollywood is officially on life support at this point
Glad to hear you praise Rome, it is grossly underrated in my opinion.
Class 2 seasons, hope they never try a woke reboot.
Yall are having a field day with this lol.
As an African American that is insulted by the premise of the film, I'm here for it.
As a white guy.... 😂 I just hate when anyone hides the truth. No matter how ugly it is. We can't avoid it if we don't remember it. But this is y'all's fight. We've been told for so long to stay quiet. I'm glad to see all colors standing up and saying. " Um excuse me, what is that shit?"
The mental gymnastics being made to support this movie is insane.
I like when in historic movies producers use their imagination when history is silent. So when we know what really happened that should be in the movie, but when we doesn't know they can use imagination to fill that space.
They're basically the Dora Milage from black panther, but super offensive to a lot of people. People love the Dora Milage, so all this "you're sexist and racist" stuff isn't going to fly.
Actually, I'm getting sick of that too.
@@zerubbabelsbridge The thing that annoys me about the Dora Milage (in the MCU) is how powerful they appear to be which makes no sense. Yes we get it; theyre trained warriors wiht Vibranium spears we get it,. but ffs they'd be slaughtered against enemies with actual guns and superpowered alien monsters. At least in the comics; just like the heart shaped herb, and the rest of the vegetation and wildlife affected by millions of years of the meteorite of Vibranium that crashed in Wakanda, so too were Wakandan's genetically altered through evolution through this as it was stated in the comics that every Wakandan has traces of Vibranium in their blood stream; giving them an advantage over regular humans.
but no :
'girl power'
I haven't even heard of this movie. You can imagine how heartbroken I am.
You're on RUclips, leaving comments no way you haven't even heard of this movie by now.
Just the name of the movie tells me a narrative is being pushed in plain sight.
You just know this is one of those movies that will be shown in public schools all the time.
Since it's okay to revise history, can we do a heartwarming underdog story about the rise of A***f H****R? The story of a scrappy and determined young Austrian who is talented with the brush and canvas, but the art schools don't recognise his genius. XD
The Homey tribe must pay reperations to Don Lemon
You mean Nigerians.
🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for calling out victimhood marketing. It needs to die.
this is the problem when people who AREN'T artists attempt to produce cinema
I am a huge fan of the Last Kingdom, a TV show, great story, unapologetically male based story, love it. Now it was based on historical events and personages, so, during the first season i went and looked into the history to see how much it deviated - turns out a lot. But I found myself a more enlightened viewer. I knew more about the history and could enjoy the "story", so, much more! Now how does that relate the Woman King, I don't know, but, if it inspires them to look into the historical facts to see how fucked up this tribe really was, is that such a bad thing.
Most of it was true but the main characters were not. You never said that. Again... Some of the history in that show was true, the main characters were not. No Uhtred or Breeda. Now if you said Vikings... That's more historical then The last Kingdom.
@@gidgetsurfer5429 Actually there was an historical Uhtred, just not the one in the show and I think he was offered the kings daughter just not King Alfred's..
@@gidgetsurfer5429 what you said is flat out wrong anyone whose actually watched both would know that Vikings butchers history and the last kingdom follows it and only deviates because it's historical ficiton based of real history not once does the show runners or the author of the books state that this is a telling of the actual events. "i play fast and loose with history" bernard cromwell author of the last kingdom books.
vikings did what the woman king is and tried to ruin british history by saying that the vikings utterly steamrolled them and the Saxons where pathetic warriors. the last kingdom was far more historically accurate than vikings was in every way.
however they were counting more on the average viewer with the "modern mindset" of being to lazy to look it up and just accept their version as the truth
@@gidgetsurfer5429 Vikings was pure drivel. Ragnar died nearly a century before Rollo became a noble in France. They probably never met and certainly weren't brothers. And Vikings never wore biker gang leather jackets as armor. The History Channel has been full of it for decades now, nothing they produce has any semblance to actual history, they like all mainstream media is too focused on being woke. Do you think all the lesbian love triangle stuff was real?
There's obviously an advertising loophole when it comes to movie titles. For example, remember, The Forth Kind, and Blair Witch movies witch both claimed to have real footage for years. Movie titles are allowed to lie or if is it otherwise let us know already, the suspense is killing me lol
I was disappointed to learn The Blair Witch Project wasn't real.
Who would of thought Hollywood manipulated this movie with fiction and based on true events to make it profitable, Hollywood would never do that ,
Next up: Viola Davis announces she is receiving death threats.
Who do you think captured people and brought them to the coast ? Who do you think placed them in cages and waited for slave ships ?
Who do you think started the supply chain ?
It was the Viola Davis character ... the original sinner
How many of the African women are lesbos in the movie? There has to be one.
Probably all of them
The scriptwriters of The Last King of Scotland did something similar concerning the death of one of its characters.
Don't touch Last King of Scotland. That's a classic.
@@flexx7611 👍
My wife discovered in college decades ago facts do not matter too thease people only feelings
Thanks for the video
I just finished a rewatch of Rome last week. So good.
Shame HBO cancelled Rome at the end of season 2, it had a 5 season arc planned but it was ahead of its time.
A Columbus movie also wouldn't be marketed TO Native Americans as empowering for them.
Until this video came into my Feed, I didn't even know it existed.
I was professionally trained as an historian; with concentrations in Modern Russian-Soviet history, and Modern African history. I sub specialized in the Russian Communist Party from the turn of the 20th century to the Death of Stalin. I sub concentrated in the histories of the Modern Cape and the Modern Horn.
Because I have white skin color, I found that my chances of being hired to teach Modern African history was somewhere in 6 digit negative numbers territory, so I chose my graduate area as Modern German Military history......
The bottom line is that the Woke Religionists have taken over for a group we used to refer to as the Politically Correct Brigades in the general sense, and as Afrocentrists in the specific sense: the latter group rejecting both proven history and reality in favor of vapidly constructed, personally subjective fantasies about African history, Africans, and everything thereto pertaining.
Sadly, a whole Afrocentrist Industry popped up in the late 70's and was then ginned up on cultural steroids by Talking Heads (Jackson, Sharpeton, Mfume, et al) in the 80's and 90's. This slowly morphed, or was taken over, by the "progressive movement', which today we know and understand as the extremely malignant Woke Religionists that seem to inhabit every facet of academia and Hollyweird.
I won't bother seeing this movie; I've done my time in Afrocentrist Hell without voluntarily injecting myself into another aspect of it, and actually having to pay for the abuse.
Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY, USA
Thanks for sharing! Messed up that you couldn't get into the field you wanted.
The Vikings series did not shy away from their barbarism, they even leaned into it. But they did it in such a way that it wasn't repulsive. They could have done the same with Woman King, be honest about the slavery, but make some love story between a warrioress and a slave or something. Now that would have been such a powerful movie! Missed opportunity.
I'm old enough to remember when the Christopher Columbus movie 1492 conquest of paradise was released that there were complaints that he was responsible for genocide and it was not appropriate to portray him as a hero on film.
This movie ranks as an all time classic, like Birth of a Nation.
All the glory and honor of slavery.
I'm gonna have my sister sell my script for 'Unit 731 - The Japanese Red Cross' to Sony as her own!