Dave, would you consider doing a "truth verification" bit on an older movie form hollywod? like "defiance"? the Bielski brothers gang NON_REAL story. two hints - 1) Tuvie Bielski (the base for main hero) stated in his memories that they NEVER fought Germans. 2) younger Bielski was so good natured to Polish people that 40 years after the war he and his wife scammed a 94 y.o, lady in USA for more than 250 000 USD, promissing to take her back to Poland and take care of her. They cashed the money and disappeared leaving the woman penniless in state care. Pure "Defiance" but there is more to it so maybe you can do piece about it?
This is why there is racism, because people like you are not honest. I saw the movie twice. The Dahomey on multiple occasions acknowledged that they were slavers. 2) The Dahomey did not fight the europeans in the movie it was another African tribe. 3) White people only freed the slaves with intentions of sending them out of the country as was done with a colony sent to Haiti. Hence why free land was given away to whites but none to the freed blacks, which would put black people today in a better financial position especially if blacks were not racially attacked post slavery. And lets not forget when these whites freed the slaves, they decided a few year later to go back to the Motherland and enslave them on their own land. You have distorted history Did the romans not take slaves, did he Hebrews not take slaves so why is this overly nonsensical criticism of this movie. Using your false logic there would be no country that we can do a movie on because nobody hands are clean. You did not watch the movie !
I don't understand how she did her homework and it brought her to tears, while Davis still thought this was a good idea. Don't tell me it was Money. She was already A-List. Did she want to be a superhero that bad? Maybe Amanda Waller wasn't good enough for her?
Fun fact about the Dahomey kingdom. They were pretty much the Aztec Empire in their time. As in, they were such massive assholes to everyone around them that, when an outside third party started fighting them, those same neighbors joined up with said third party.
That's another of the oft-ignored things about Central and South America - the nations that the Spanish and Portuguese subdued were, in their own right, massively violent, having murdered and enslaved every other nation within reach, etc. But today we must fetishize every conquered nation as "innocent indigenous folks who were just eating whole grains, corn, and singing songs".
@CK Lim Indeed, not to mention the blood ritual the Aztec did, were because of a religius beleive that if the god, didint receive the blood the world will end, and other part for just wanted to expand these dudes for what i understand did what they did for money, profit and wealth yes they have some religious sacrifice but were minimum in concer what they took for profit, so in mi eyes the Aztec were not so much better but at least did it because religious beleif
@CK Lim They used ritial sacrifices to rip out the human sacrifice's heart and eat them while the heart was still beating. They had gotten so efficient they made the victim inhale some herb they found to make them high enough so that the victim would be willing.
Also to point it out: These "Amazons" were counted as wives of the King. Fighting one brought a death penalty. They weren't fierce warriors - It was just illegal to defend oneself if they attacked you. "...During a battle with French soldiers at Adegon on 6 October during the second war, the bulk of the Amazon corps were wiped out in a matter of hours in hand-to-hand combat after the French engaged them with a bayonet charge. The Dahomey lost 86 regulars and 417 Dahomey Amazons, with nearly all of those deaths being inflicted by bayonets; the French lost 6 soldiers..."
@@dropsey3007 So what if it's a copy and paste , its true and relevent to the video . But you keep an eye open for other copy and pastes , just incase you need to inform the internets .
Honestly, a historically accurate portrayal of these event would've been more interresting. We could've had two sides with their own main and side characters: on one hand, female warriors of Dahomey fighting against colonisers but for a kingdom participating in slave trade. On the other hand, the conquering British, who oppose slave trade. Both sides are in the right in one aspect, while in another they're wrong, and neither is black or white. Now THAT would've been interresting to see. Edit: I just now figured out the irony of writing "neither is black or white", considering they're literally black and white. Wordplay.
@@BlueIvory4 Slavery wasn't practiced in Europe in the first place- plantantions worked on by unpaid forced labour is very much an American thing, and back home British weren't practicing slavery for quite a long time before industrial revolution. At the time of industrial revolution USA still had slaves meanwhile, which means that if the British were doing it for profit they could participate it in instead- but they not only didn't participate, but also spent huge effort and lots of time and money to stop other nations from doing so. If that is not what selflesness is to you, then I don't know what's NOT considered evil by you. Btw, French conquered Dahomey when they repeatadly invaded and tried to enslave a tribe under French protection, so France didn't really have a choice in the matter of whether they want to take these lands or not, since not colonising would simply mean the continuation of Dahomey invasions.
@@anatomicalx9355 are we gonna skip over the part that attempts to end the trans-atlantic slave trade I've mentioned were made prior to the American Civil war and as a response to USA being the last civilised nation to practice slavery? Not to mention, the reason British wanted to support Confederacy was due to fear of USA starting a war against GB in the future, and was unrelated to slavery.
They only changed it to an alternate history after they were caught. The director said in an interview how people believe historical movies are accurate. This shows a clear motivation behind this rewriting history.
Oh, there has been a clear motive with rewriting a lot of movies lately. It's because they want their version to be the "correct" and "only" true movie so as to influence people in the way theu want people to think. Think how absolutely brainwashed SJWs are. Imagine spreading that brainwashing to younger generations who dont know another version of a movie exists. How much influence you can have on younger and younger people who will eventually become adults with no free-thinking of their own. Because media has influenced them so much, they cant tell right from wrong. Only the history that the media tells them is the "only true history" and anyone who says otherwise are "problematic" or "wrong about history".
The pitiful thing is that if the filmmakers had just stuck to the true history here, they easily could have made a truly epic film that showed the authentic history of this time and place to those who were either misinformed or uninformed. It could have been an expose of the genuine human struggle and oppression that the underclasses experienced under the brutal indifference of feudal West African overlords. The story could have still centered around the power struggle between the aristocracies of the Dahomey and Oyo kingdoms and the main character still could have been a leader of the Agojie. But instead of unrealistically making her an abolitionist right off the bat, the filmmakers could have had her journey through a personal battle of loyalty between her kingdom and her own moral convictions (a struggle which she would have had to conceal from her superiors and subordinates alike). It could have highlighted how she was morally against the abhorrent actions she and her unit were ordered to carry out, but her mental and emotionally conditioning (being tortured and brainwashed as a slave soldier) were all that made her mental and emotional survival possible. It could have ended tragically and poignantly, having her follow her brain instead of her heart, eventually leading her unit to its collective death trying to preserve the autonomy of her kingdom (and its institutional slavery) against the French, who were trying to colonize the region but also end the slave trade. And as she lay dying, she could have felt remorse that she didn't have the courage to do what she knew was right all along. This film could have been a very humanizing and powerful introspection into the complexity of human morality, while also providing an opportunity to actually HEAL racial divisions, instead of further inflame them. It could have shown that good people of all races and genders are capable of doing terrible things if they're motivated by their own physical, mental, and emotional survival. This moral conflict has always been a leitmotif found at the center of the worst atrocities in human history. The people calling the shots can't do it themselves; they need others to carry out their immoral agendas. And so this could have had a truly populist message, showing that most people in West Africa at this time were just pawns being oppressed and coerced and tortured by elites, a message that would still be relatable to audiences today. Ironically, these filmmakers had the chance to be incredibly brave and do the righteous thing i.e. tell the true history. Instead, they chose to revise and negate the parts of the history that contradict their cultural Marxist narrative and sensibilities. They gave a fake history lesson, and in doing so, they created a film that is erroneous, cowardly, glib, and divisive instead of accurate, raw, profound, and useful.
The truth wouldn't have fitted their narrative of "white man bad" and they're counting on the general ignorance of Americans to fan the flames of their divisive race/culture war. It's despicable. And what's wrong with the word Queen?
I was a tutor to a student at King's College London. She was given the task of writing an essay on the history of slavery in West Africa. She wrote about the Dahomey kingdom and their enormous role in slavery. I helped her source materials for her essay, which was meticulously referenced. She failed. Her prof said she'd 'missed the point about the true culpability of Europeans' in the role of slavery.
Wow. Was the Prof a woman? Although, there are nut ball male Professors, I've just been noticing that the vast majority of these whack jobs are female.
@@amenajackson8133 the Dahomey tribe was a slave empire. No one claimed Europeans didn't play a part. Writing a paper on the Africans who sold slaves doesn't obsolve Europeans of anything. It is clear, however, that you are trying to absolve the Africans of their part in the slave trade, even though the Africans are the ones who supplied the slaves. You're the one absolving people hear dude.
@@paccawacca4069 well isn't that the reason the professor failed your student, you failed to elaborate on the European part in slavery? I said some African tribes sold some people, how am I absolving them?
In the ancient kingdom of Kush, in what is now, Sudan, there was a queen, who led armies against the Romans, when they tried to expand into Nubia after taking Egypt. She fought a long protracted campaign with them over a few years and won many battles. Eventually, the Romans seem to have been victorious, but mysteriously, they gave Cush unusually favorable terms, terms that would be unexpected for a victorious Rome pressing its advantage. They completely canceled the yearly tribute that Kush was having to pay before, and even returned some territories that they had captured, more or less restoring the territories of the kingdom, as they were prior to the conflict, and then some. Because of this, there are scholars who believe the Roman victory might not have been as complete as the Romans would have us believe. This would make an epic movie! Additionally, there are innumerable African kingdoms with epic stories that are untouched in Hollywood. Here are just a few of them… Aksumite Ethiopia Zagwe Ethiopia Solomonic Ethiopia The Ajuran Sultanate of Somalia The Wagadu (Ghana) Empire The Mali Empire The Kanem-Bornu Empire The medieval Swahili city states And that’s just the major ones. There are also individual people of black African dissent that would make for epic, film, heroes, and inspirational stories. Some examples include Yasuke, an African man who came to Japan with the Jesuits, and for a number of years, ended up becoming a samurai, and serving under one of Japan’s most famous and legendary warlords as his personal guard of honor. Or what about the great Malik Ambar. He was a boy in Ethiopia, who was sold into slavery, and eventually ended up in India, where he won his freedom, moved up the ranks in the nobility of Deccan and eventually became so powerful that he literally chose who would be the next sultan of the Deccani Sultanate? Additionally, he dramatically improved the infrastructure by building several cities and advanced plumbing, irrigation and sewage systems, which turned his kingdom into a lush paradise. The guy was also a master of guerrilla warfare. As long as he was alive, the Mughal Empire was never able to conquer the Deccan. So many good choices that Hollywood could have gone with!
A lot of this would've been perfect historical movies but instead they chose dahomey of all things. I am also under the impression that the story of the kingdom of dahomey was picked with racist connotations because apparently for the creators the name sound sweeehhgg because Da Homey.
@@djeio Exactly. Not to mention that they discovered a mural in the ruins of one of the Kushite temples depicting Roman slaves shackled at the foot of the queen.
Lupita Nyong'o she of "Black Panther" fame and more importantly is an Oscar winner for her role in "Twelve Years a Slave" and also is the daughter of Kenyan diplomats. She was sent the script and offered the leading role in the "The Woman King" but she went to Benin the modern state of the former Kingdom of Dahomey and did her own research. Upon learning of the brutal history of the Dahomey and their enthusiastic role in the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade she turned down the role.
@@tolaa1 All promotional material from 2018, when the movie was first publicly announced, announced she was starring in it. They only stopped mentioning her in 2020 when she turned down the role. Whether she was in the running for any specific role might be debatable, but she was sent a script and was mentioned as being in the movie until she officially turned it down. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
@@SubtleStair "The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent.” -Malcolm X
@@Hath.0: I'm looking into that also. Just like BLM... I heard that it has its TRUE roots among the Communist CHINESE - originated in China, "managed" by White lesbians in the USA.
King Ghezo - who once boasted that "Mothers send their children to sleep with stories of their enemies reduced to slavery" and said he would do anything to get along with the British Empire but PLEASE, PLEASE don't ask him to give up the slave trade. Incidentally, I first heard about the Dohomey in a video by Carl Benjamin about Britain's Crusade Against Slavery.
The African revolt when the evil white mentried to end slavery. Documented by the north africans . Doesn't go with the woketivists anti white pro black message.
@@zeehero7280 Yes they did, and that's one more reason why I've always loved Britain and British history despite not having any familial roots there. It certainly wasn't perfect, no country is, but it was a lot better than many others.
Depressing fact: Two years after King Ghezo died, his son had 800 slaves sacrificially beheaded in his father’s honor. Originally, he wanted 1,000 but had to make do.
Fun fact: there's a good chance atleast one of the actors in the film had an ancestor who was sold into slavery by the very people this film tries to portray as heroes
@@nameisamine There was once on British TV a black woman found a name of a person who enslaved her acessors. The TV station did some digging and they find out the name was not a white person but a black person who sold his own children in slavery.
This film is proof why we should never take actual history events and sell them as movies unless you have writers that CARES more about history than anything else
A good recent example would be THE DEATH OF STALIN - a movie that took very few liberties with history (outside of an extra massacre or two) because it didn’t need to.
You can't sell a historical event 🤣 ever hear of public domain? What do you mean you have your actual textbooks tell your kids "and then there was red men here and then there was no red men here magically" knock it off. You guys have such double standards it's nauseating.
They chose the Dahomey for one reason only: feminism. They liked the idea of a female warrior narrative "based on a true story". The fact that the "Woman King" was only appointed because the Dahomeyans had run out of male leaders, and this phase of the war was a last-ditch battle en route to complete defeat didn't matter to them. Damn history, damn truth, damn even basic realism. The idea of a regiment of black women under a female leader fighting white men (and, in their telling, winning, of course) was all they cared about. "Live not by lies", said Alexander Sozhenitsyn. Probably not a popular quotation in Hollywood.
The Agojie also got their butts kicked, in hand to hand combat no less, by the French during the second Franco-Dahomean war. They lost nearly 500 women. The French lost 6 men. Hardly the fierce and highly effective fighting force portrayed in the film. That K/D ratio is like something out of the 2nd Punic War.
I think this is a massive own goal when it comes to the culture wars stuff. It's going to get people looking into the actual history and it will open a lot of peoples eyes.
I like how the director or Viola Davis openly admitted on Twitter that they heavily altered their narrative from the historical context because it would make them look bad otherwise. Honestly the film just makes me appreciate The Last Samurai all the more. It's about as historically accurate as The Woman King, yet it's a great film that's adored by the Japanese.
@@MagcargoMan It's literally the Japanese. And they don't shy away from the treatment the Native Americans received either. And they did it with a better story to boot. So tell me how it isn't already better?
I simply loved how she led all those Stormtroopers to defeat the Klingons at the Battle of Gondor. And the part were she said 'Say hello to my little friend' while she blasted that Xenomorph with a pulse rifle.....beautiful.
Or the part where she shouted “come on you apes, you wanna live forever,” and lead the fight against the Goa’uld. Yet for all that; even she could not locate the Red October.
Keep seeing funny comments like this on similar videos... Can you explain where the joke came from? I mean, it's funny in a nonsensical way, but I'm interested to know more
@@AGnar0k The joke comes from the Lord of the Rings community joking about LOTR Rings of Power being very bad at following established lore. The original joke is basically this. "I love when Galadriel said (X) while fighting (Y). Such a truly inspiring moment for the (Z)." X,Y,Z must have nothing to do with the Lord of The Rings.
A movie about Black Slavers that actors and Hollywood try to portray as heroes and freedom fighters. This is like trying to make a movie where the Nazis are the good guys. And so many people try to argue "Well 300 and Vikings were slavers yet you enjoy those." Yeah, except those movies were either comical exaggerations or didn't try to warp history to fit a narrative.
Plus, the Spartans and Vikings had a lot more going for them culturally than slavery. The kingdom in this movie just had the biggest goddamned boner for the concept of enslaving their fellow man, to the point it was the backbone of their entire economy.
300 while over the top was entertaining. And quotable. if this was a documentary I’d be upset. But I don’t expect any regular flick to be anything close to be historically accurate.
@@jamerson4967 300 was also based on a Graphic Novel, which was meant essentially as a super exaggerated version of history. This movie meanwhile effectively lies about history in every concievable way and makes a group of truly vile people seem heroic.
"The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source of glory of their wealth...the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery" King Ghezo of Dahomey
I was trying to explain this to one of my friends "Imagine if they made a new Schindler's List, where Goebbels is frantically doing his part to stop the other Nazis from murdering all the Jews/etc, and they played it entirely straight."
Exactly. How is that so hard to understand? For the last 15 years (give or take) every time I see "based on a true events", I read "better do your own research" and it gives me heavy cringe. It's like Hollywood is back in time, when they were censoring half of the movies for being inappropriate, except now its worse, because now they're censoring the audience "This is what you should like, because this is appropriate"
I have always loved the fact the Coen brothers satired 'based on true story' with the opening disclaimer of Fargo: "At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.”
Yep, there are many actually good African heroes, and what makes me perplexed is that there's even a dinasty of warrior African Queens (the Kandakes, which one of them is even cited in the New Testament), whose history would be way more exciting without taking many liberties. One of the Kandakes even fought mounted in a war elephant against the Romans (and won, according to the legends), and there are even modern adaptations on this event (written in Neo-Latin, though), so they could simply take that and make a good war movie with a strong female lead.
There are no African heroes except Livingstone. Before Europeans arrived, Africans lived naked in the dirt without a written language and the white man had to stop them from selling each other to Arabs and eating the people they didn’t buy.
Heroism is subjective. Every historical civilization did something at the expense of others. Many historical civilizations that we praise today as heroes employed certain moral standards at a point, that goes against ours today. No civilization in history is without controversy.
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped." George Orwell (1984)
Ironically, a good chunk of the vampire hunter movie was accurate (ignoring the vampire-related stuff, obviously) to what we know about Lincoln. Which means the silly vampire movie did a better job than the movie claiming to be historically accurate.
Well we are living in a "choose your own adventure" era. The Rings of Power shows us that all they want is access to the source material so they can pick and choose what to use, what to bin, how to use those elements in the way they want, how they can modify those characters or events. It's a case of picking and choosing from history or literature.
Ah shit. Now i remember those shitty rings show. Thank you, fuccers, lol. Now we talk about it, Hollywood seems getting more rabid in making faux strong women movie. It almost feels like they are being chased by time and deadline, and start mass producing faster. Idk what's their agenda here
@@chakravartin3356 Their agenda is to weaken our society which makes us more easy to be submissive, divisive, docile and vulnerable to attack. Essentially it opens up a can of worms on multiple fronts. China helps to push the shit in Hollywood while they teach their people the opposite they are strengthening their people and military, Russia is no different and we keep poking the bear. It plays into a larger picture to destroy America from within, they are spinning the wheels of propaganda turning our love of entertainment and our sense of compassion as a weapon against us to weaken our society and the gullible fall for it hook line and sinker. Another thing to note is that too many franchises died at the hands of Wokeism, this is no longer a coincidence and for too long they've known if you Go Woke You Go Broke so this is not about money to them this is intentional. Films like Star Wars, Terminator, Ghostbusters etc..have been apart of American Culture the intentional killing of those franchises was an attack on American Culture.
@Marcus no it's not whataboutism for I didn't see people making videos like these for the 300, zero dark thirty, the hurt locker, the king or other nonsense Hollywood puts out we just accept it as Hollywood.
We know why they chose the Dahomey to base this film on, Dave, and so do you. It's mentioned in the very same article you referenced. But one of the two producers (both of whom are white women), Maria Bello, has a penchant for Africa & African history, as well as strong feminist leanings. And after seeing the movie "300", she lamented on the fact that there weren't any female versions of movies like that, based on "real events", and decided that she'd make it her business to create one instead.
And it was stated in the beginning of the movie that they needed to get out of the slave trade, so it's not like the people who watch the movie did not recognize that they were into slave trading. Sorry it's not Dances With The Wolves!
@@Jozroch1 That's the issue, the movie was still promoted as something that it clearly wasn't, in order to paint a narrative that wasn't historically accurate. Nobody said anything about it being Dances W/ Wolves. Knock it off.
In today's world of black censorship sometimes a drop of knowledge can turn into a cup of Truth. Weather it has 100% truth or 100% fantasy people that I know now know about this culture and how they really were.
I just watched the movie and the movie did do just that. I have to say this video is crap though. He speaks as if he did not see the movie because the movie addresses the nations role in the slave trade very well.
I feel a movie like this could have fooled the masses in the 80's or 90's, but those behind the curtain should realise this is the age of the internet and the truth spreads quickly. Let it be a lesson.
this is not true. I remember this being talked about before the movie was mention a around 2015-16 about a brave all women miltary in Africa fighting against slavery in which this movie is about. even with the internet there are a lot of millenials and Gen zers that are still easily manipulated by what the media and world wants them to think.
People cannot think for themselves anymore, if some random influencer tells them something, then that is the truth are far as they are concerned and they will resist any attempts to be educated when they are wrong.
@@rightchea idk what your talking about black men highly dislike this movie. Besides some women because… women moment. But the fact conservatives think liberals like this movie just cause it was made, shows how outa touch y’all truly are. Liberals was crying like usual on Twitter when the trailer first dropped
U all realize this history was written from the point of view of the colonizers, but please by all means proceed, am an African girl who is happy that for once African women are being portrayed as strong and brave which never happens, so pliz take this away from us aswell. Ps am in Africa.
I, personally, am all for making a story about strong black women. They deserve far FAR BETTER than the Woman King. More than an image of strength & power, they need a good role-model. A far better role model, than a clan of slavers & profiteers.
Yes thank you for bringing this to attention!! So tired of these “inspired by true events” and “based on a true story” and people believing them to be true.
"Based on a true story" doesn't mean "this is a reenactment". It doesn't mean it's a historic educational piece. I don't think people are stupid enough to believe that, I think certain people had presuppositions, and wouldn't like the film even if it is good.
@@Kornelius707 - People in Scotland will wear blue face-paint to sporting events because of Braveheart, despite the current Scots essentially wiping out the Pict society (the people who actually allegedly had that practice). You'd be surprised and saddened at how much the average person gets historical knowledge from fictional films.
Oscar movie for sure. The brutality these women inflicted on their own people is .. horrific. They were trained as brutal killers from childhood. They had no loyalty except to the King and I'm sure many of them were his lovers and brides. Their whole kingdom was brought down after one of their raids was on a French colony and France said "Nope" and wiped them out.
Their descendants are alive today and super rich thanks to the wealth they amassed from the slave trade. They live is located London, Paris and other euro places.
Viola Davis regrets her role in The Help depicting a woman exposing cruelty against black housworker, but is proud of the role of brutal slave hunter monster in The Woman King. Good job Ms Davis
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” -Orwell, 1984
Wow imagine saying this when in America you guys lie in your actual textbooks about what the country has done but THIS. This is real revisionist history right? 🤣 White people trying so hard to be oppressed
@@SMaamri78 Whose to say it was ever fiction? But a warning about the future that is to come to pass and was never going to be taken seriously if it wasnt "fiction"?
@@casualgamerboi3789 This would make sense if it was trying to convince you of something evil, like committing slavery. It doesn't make sense when they fight to free slaves and abolish prisoner slavery at the sake of their empire's wealth. Watch the movie's you critique.
@@MagcargoMan most of Hollywood has done that for a long time now. However a very direct example is any movie that uses u.s military equipment, which is a lot of them. Basically in order for the movie to be released the military has to review the script to make sure it adequately promotes the u.s military (by this I mean it looks cool and doesn’t denigrate it). In movies about previous wars this still applies, so these movies are historically revised so that nothing that makes the u.s military look bad is in there
Makes me appreciate movies like Hacksaw Ridge and Midway. Looking up some of the more absurd events of those films, I found out they were entirely real. In the case of Desmond Doss, some of his real actions had to be toned DOWN for the movie because they would've been too unbelievable for any audience. Obviously, things were added or changed for the film, but as long as the major events were kept in line with history, that's okay in my book. This just looks like exactly what you say, historical vandalism. Rewrite history so as to make some cheap empowerment story. There's a difference between empowering events in history and those you have to manipulate to be empowering to specific people.
It's almost apparent that intelligent people are the minority on this earth now. I don't know about where any of you all live, but where I live, the intellectual capacity of the people here is little to none.
I remember reading year ago that Hollywood doesn't go after medal of honor stories because so many of them, especially when the recipient survived the act of courage, are so ludicrous that studios don't think such a film would do well because "the audience wont believe it". Audie Murphy and Desmond are the only 2 MOH recipients with movies I can think of, and they did do insane things. It's a shame because those REAL stories of REAL heroes I'd watch the hell out of. I think we all would.
Midway was trash. Not as bad as Woman King, but most events portrayed there had nothing to do with history. They took very general approach of taking real places and names and rest was fiction.
I cannot thank you enough for how hard you work to bring us such truths. Even when it’s unpopular and difficult to stomach you manage to express it in a very orderly and factual manner. Something that is becoming increasingly rare these days, especially within social media. Thank you for your integrity and work sir.
Can’t wait to see these people give us another project, perhaps something like how Germany worked itself out of a depression and became a world conquering power with its inclusive and diverse friends in Japan.
Bet Viola Davis will be keen to play the lead in that movie - and why not, isn't it time for a Hitler who "reflects the world we live in" ? and is appropriate for "modern audiences"
@@RRTNZ I can see it now, the German leader with the short mustache played by a woman of color. Sounds about right for a current film coming out of Hollywood.
To be fair, the Japanese empire only became a thing because of the US. So there is a lot of blame there. As for Germany and Hitler, that was just cruelty by the victors of the first world war. Like, if they didn't try to strangle the German people, WW2 would have never been a thing.
I love how Hollywood desperately wants to make the war between the Dahomey Amazons and the French look like the African 300 when in reality the French won not only a decisive victory but an overwhelming one. In fact it was actually less like a battle and more like a massacre. The Dahomey lost between 1,000 and 2,000 warriors while the French lost 16. It wasn't even close.
Lmao there's so many female warriors in history that are left out, or outright removed, all becuase of "Narrative" My people the Mapuche people, are a warrior people, from the beginning of our history we fight and fought, also took in slaves, all that shabang, the Inca and Aztecs tried many times to conquer us, we had throughout our history our share of heros and heroines, one of them learning about her husband had fallen in battel agaisnt the Spanish, she retrieved his gear and went out to fight the Spanish, along with many other women. To claim the most fierce female warriors is not even close, we have even today the YPG a female Kurdish battalion, that from the information I can get, are more woman than any western woman. It's one thing to say AFRICAS most deadly, but to claim the whole worlds? I think maybe a class action is needed
This would be like making a movie about Eva Braun or Magda Goebbels and portraying them as strong, intelligent women who helped their struggling nation of Germany recover from a military defeat and an economic depression by promoting the arts, family, a strong economy, and civic pride.
Only feminst are obsessed over women getting men titles. It clearly the two white feminist writer wanted to write about Amazon warrior women and simply figure out how to fit the rest of the Black impowerment later. Like if it was a black Impowerment movie first they probably could find thousands of better people in Africa.
It's almost as if woke Hollywood was aware that their message is: "Women are worth something only when they behave like men". Like in all these "female empowerment" movies, with no exception.
@@ettoreoddo women behaving like men: Good men behaving like men: bad men behaving like women: good women behaving like women: bad did I get the liberal logic right?
I mean, personally I applaud this kind of nonsense. It makes it much easier for me to immediately skip something. I hadn't heard of this movie until the videos making fun of it - but if I had been at a theatre, I don't need to see a poster or watch a trailer. I see "The Woman King" and I know, I'm not watching that film. So, A+ to the crew behind the movie for saving me time and money.
My wife is Nigerian and she was upset about all the anachronism within this movie, and to add insult to injury there were Nigerian actors who allow all the bad writing concerning historical fact mistakes.
Litterally everyone that actually LIVES in africa and studies african history, knows how disgusting this movie is. Really speaks volumes that the same clowns trying to push this woke propaganda, are also high off their euro-centrism.
They could have made the movie about yaa asantewaa, who actually was a high ranking member of the Ashanti kingdom and convinced her people to take up arms to defend their sovereignty. But the Ashanti kingdom being powerful was also an extremely belligerent kingdom.
They're just seeing how big of a lie they can peddle and how many sheep will either believe or be cognitively dissonant of the lie. They're experimenting to see how absurd of a narrative they can get people to believe and defend, how brazenly can they rewrite history, how many people can they convince through propaganda that an unpopular thing is actually popular, etc. It's informational and psychological wartime experimentation.
@sottunar7915I think its become abundantly clear just how ignorant most people are of how thoroughly slavery has been practiced by cultures from the ENTIRE world, as well as the leading role Europe had in reducing that practice.
@@monkeydude9192Europe expanded it the mist however. And in all honesty never really ended it. They just transformed it. India was essentially a slaved state to the British
Personally I'm pleased this movie came out, I'm pleased with the way it was advertised when it came out, but, what I am most pleased about is how it has been caught out in it's deception. It has given a massive opportunity to confront deceptive and blatantly false narratives about slavery and who was involved. Awesome event and hopefully a turning point for those interested in the truth.
This 100%. It's refreshing to see how many RUclipsrs (especially Americans) are reacting to vids like this, taking the knowledge on board and sharing it. Understanding history and the context of historical events is the first step towards moving forward.
@@PrinceIsot Rewriting history in a way that serves the purpose of the elite. Colonials still serve a purpose of how bad and horrible white man is, ironically, since all the elites are white. Because it helps them keep fools like the left in control and away from freethinking. "Believe our history as the only history you need to know. Because every other history is deemed too problematic." History is written by the victor. Who do you think is winning now? And writing history to suit their needs and purposes? The elite. They have an agenda, dont fall for it.
Yeah... It kinda happens. Here in México we had (and mostly still have) a very pro-indian history of the colony. Though most of educated people know about the brutality of the Aztecs, they're often depicted as the brave and noble warriors and leaders of a great empire. Somewhat similar to spartans. Also similar to spartans... they were a bunch of assholes. People often see the Spanish as the "bad guys", because they're colonizers and greedy and white. Which is true, especially the greedy part. And literally, everyone there knew it. AND STILL like 80% of the... altepetls (they're like... counties. just think them as counties) choose to side with the Spanish because yeah I mean they were brutal, loved gold, had little respect and they were full on Jesus but AT LEAST they didn't rip off the hearts of your brothers and throw their bodies from a pyramid to be dismembered in public and probably cannibalized, basing their whole society on raiding and extracting tribute from everyone without a massive army. But hey at least they werent white so probably the good guys.
La izquierda fomenta el odio a la hispanidad, nuestra mezcla de sangres fue inevitable y dio fruto a la multiculturalidad eso es lo que somos y debemos aceptarnos
yeah, in central america we have no sympathy for Aztecs either. Those guys were responsible for such brutality that it still lingers in some mayan and other tribes's ruins. Yet people claim the spanish rule, which ended the brutal murder by the aztecs, is the one at fault
This reminds me of an old Alamo movie with John Wayne. There was certainly a compelling story there about a small group of men resisting a huge force. But they went and put some crazy spins on the actual story to portray them in the best light possible. There is a scene where one of the fighters freed his slaves and told them to leave before the battle, but they were so loyal that they stay and die with their ex master. Mexico had given out a once in a lifetime opportunity to own land to anyone who wished. Any outsider could move to Mexico territory and settle the land, with the understanding that they follow Mexican law and become Mexican citizens. The Texan rebellion had many facets, but one was that they refused to give up their slaves, which was made illegal in Mexico. The fact that they included a scene where someone frees their slaves when that is literally one of the things they were fighting for is ridiculous.
This, and many other cultural movies and stories, is among the reason why people have such a horribly skewed idea of slavery in the USA and especially the cause of the Civil War. Every single state that seceded from the States named slavery as their motivation, and the Confederacy enshrined slavery over black people as a god given right, a "natural order". The "states rights" the South was fighting for was the right to own Africans as slaves. The fetishization of the traitor South is one of the many reasons why so many people are ignorant of the history of slavery and racism in this country.
@@dillonblair6491 Watch some videos of whites being attacked for no reason by blacks. Or read some news stories about the back on white violent crimes. Carjacking is up by 30% in most major cities. People like you aren't informed enough to have opinions so just leave it to people like me with a brain and critical thinking skills.
I went to see this movie because everyone says it's not accurate, but okay, maybe is a good movie! Well.. It's a basic propaganda. I can resume it to you: black people good, white people bad, women strong, men weak. This is it. A tiny 60kg girl can take down 4 men because she is an empowered black woman 👏🏻 so brave!
You actually didnt watch the movie. It was more like some Black people Good. Some Black people Bad. Women are strong melee fighters, but Men moved on to guns. Your review was worse than WhatCulture's tend to be...
A trailer has a Dahomey character claiming "the Europeans" want to invade them .The Dahomey Kingdom had an overall great relationship with European powers , including a personal correspondance and friendship between the its King and the King of Portugal , with the latter even offering to invite the former to Brazil .The first true conflict betwee an European power and the Dahomey came when Britain banned Slavery and started to attack Slaver ships connected to the Dahomey (How low must you fall for England to be morally superior to you ?) A trailer shows a character saying "We are the Blade of Freedom" ... the Dahomey had a literal ritual centered around how they forced captured slaves to walk around a tree to make them forget about their families , nation and culture and the King once proclaimed that Slavery was an integral part of their culture and that mothers sang to their children about the enslavement of innocents in a "glorious light" . What is it with media glorifying extremely disorderly and backwards cultures ? .England , the Dahomey , the Aztec (The first and third are connected) , the Caliphates , et cetera .Is our modern morality so backwards that we glorify self-proclaimed victims who constantly victimize others ? . Also , should be noted that these "badass" opressive and slaver women got their asses kicked by the French in their one and only engagement and that put an end to them as a military unit .None survived , almost no Frenchies died .
It's like what my dad used to say. If the film says that based on the true story in the beginning of the film, they have just picked a story from real life and put their own stuffs in it. If the film in the beginning says any representation in the film is coincidental though, then you know it's actually based on true story.
Even British legends aren't safe. The TV show Merlin (2008) had a BLACK Guinevere and a real black knight...LOL. Perhaps in the next one Robin Hood will be a Caribbean woman.
@@questionmaker5666 It may not have been serious, but it has become a common thing for woke idiots and blacks to attempt to destroy anything British by claiming highly spurious things about the English, and making up all manner of totally untrue events to make themselves look better. Like they have actually done something laudable on the world stage. This is highly offensive!
@@tobygathergood4990 yeah we'll just ignore that black people existed in europe. In the 14th century there were literally Ethiopian knights in Italy. Literally saint morris.
It’s quite horrifying how some people rush to defend this film. I’ve seen actual commenters saying ‘well they practiced a softer form of slavery’ and ‘they were defending their way of life’ and it’s like - to the first point Slavery is slavery is slavery. End of. To the second ‘defending a way of life’ is literally the defence used by Confederate apologists when they speak about slavers fighting in the civil war. You cannot stand there and condemn Churchill, Columbus etc citing them as colonialists and awful people and then ride out for the exact same kind of people because they have a different skin colour as the other typically talked about colonisers. It amounts to a giant level of hypocrisy and only weakens the left’s argument that they’re against colonialism in all forms.
I loved the scene were the Dahomey warriors are making their way through a field of long grass and they get picked off one by one by velociraptors. That was so intense.
My favorite scene was when General Lee was surrounded in the Battle of Appomattox Court House by the Union army, and they just started dropping one by one with arrows to the chest. Then the camera panned up and revealed Viola Davis and the Dahomey Amazons, and she said "We gon fight for our right to own slaves" and they held hands in a reference to the scene from Predator 😍
Y'all should read some of twitter reactions to the film. I saw one where the woman basically said that she didn't care if it was historically accurate, she was just glad to see representation on the screen.
My friend even once had a debate with me about votes. She said sorry, but she and probably most girls in our college would vote for women candidates just because women. Now i know why islam prohibited men and women working and learning on a same group, lol. The effect of feminization of everything is so strong, and not only because of women, but also because of dumb softhearted men
I agree. It's great to see Hollywood acknowledging and celebrating African nations ' involvement in the Atlantic slave trade , as the start of the slave supply chain. Without their heroic efforts slavery wouldn't have been possible.
I think the best "based/inspired on a true story" example is Hacksaw Ridge where they actually have to trim down actual historical event because it was too unbelievable to put to film. Of course, there are some artistic liberties here and there but those never get in conflict with the overall story of the movie.
It's a very different kind of movie, but it's the same with Pain and Gain. The true story was so bonkers that they made the movie into a dark comedy because of how ridiculous it was but even then they had to tone down some of the more ridiculous parts.
Even though Gladiator was fictional, Ridley Scott left out historically accurate things he knew the audience wouldn't believe. For example, some Gladiators had sponsors almost like NASCAR drivers, and may have carried banners into the arena as advertisements.
@@kingetzel2755 overall Gladiators depending on the time period where almost like modern day fighters in some ways. They weren't always fighting to the death,and they were handsomely rewarded for their fights (in some time periods ,in others they were slaves fighting to the death though).
My biggest issue with the movie (HR) aside from the liberties, is the CGI. Jesus Christ, what a horrible spectable of dark comedy and terrible CGI it was.
I remember one incredible story from the true events being that a Japanese sniper tried 3 separate times to shoot Desmond Doss but his rifle jammed each time. Nobody would have bought that being in the movie despite being true (the sniper survived the war and confirmed it himself).
I was actually interested in watching this movie. The concept is really cool. Especially when I saw it was based on true events. And then about 2 days later I found out what the true events were and instantly I could not stand this film
If you want to watch a "based on a true story/inspired by real events" movie that's pretty faithful to the actual story (I read the autobiographical book and the author literally says he's happy with the movie), then watch October Sky. One of my absolutely favorite movies and a testament to the power of passion, determination and intelligence. And the soundtrack is just beautiful. *Fun Fact: The title October Sky is an anagram of the book title, Rocket Boys, in order to avoid confusion with the movie Rocket Man.*
You just unlocked a memory in my brain that I forgot I had. I loved the movie and the book as a kid. I read the book twice in middle school and watched the movie countless times. They were both very inspiring to me at the time. It's one of the few drama movies (I prefer psychological thrillers and horrors these days) that I like.
the only part about him they pulled in was basically the fact the guy wore skin and used it for furniture and such. Gein didnt even truly deserve the title of serial killer
There is a channel, History Buffs, that looks at period movies from how accurate they are to history. He doesn't post new videos often, so I doubt he'll get to this one, but it's and interesting watch. He's even taken a fictional movie like, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World and noted how it accurately portrayed life on a British ship during that era.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 I think he’ll avoid this one. Can’t say I blame him it’ll cause to much political backlash even if it’s stupid. Which is a shame cause I really enjoy his reviews.
I lost respect for him when he did a review on a movie about a woman in the third century many (as well as the film) claim was a scientist when she was nothing of the sort. He utterly butchered the history almost as badly as the film did, showed his own biases to the point I refuse to watch anything else he produces and question his accuracy of what I have watched.
Hollywood has always rewritten history, especially when it comes to their portrayal of native and African Americans. It's just that now they're rewriting it in a way that makes black people look cool, instead of trying to justify American genocide. Which is why people are upset
Very nice analysis and breakdown. I am from Nigeria and from the Yoruba tribe of the Oyo people; also I studied history as a first degree. The Agoji did exist and at a point in their history, the Dahomey did switch from slave trade to oil palm trade but if my memory serves me right, they didn't end slavery. The reason they switched to oil palm was because slavery was becoming less profitable with the British ban at the time. The head chopping thing was very correct, they were paid or promoted by the king based on the number of heads they brought back from war or raids. This encouraged frequent raids of neighbors that made them a menace in the region. The major point i am trying to make was the side of the Oyo who fought three major wars against the Dahomey and won the last two. The final war led to almost a complete destruction of the Dahomey people. On a final note, I see this as just entertainment and not an accurate story. However, I would like to see more movies' like this as there is so much history in West Africa to be told like the Mali, Fulani, Oyo, Kanem-Borno, Ashanti, Benin, Songhai empires (and so much more). Even just the European part of it's history is rich. Perhaps its the wave of woke culture of the West that have brought the Agoji story to the forefront but I welcome it. Love your work even though it can be Eurocentric/Irish-centric at times.
The history of the impis of the zulu tribe was amazing. They were like the samurai and ran into battle even as machine guns were downing their warriors. That's pretty brave. Unlike the samurai, they don't get recognition from Hollywood. Any one of their troops can run fast. All day. Track anything from weeks and many miles away even elephants a hundred miles away. Remain hidden yet be constantly watching the dutch hunters even those that were experienced survivalists. It's all in many of Wilbur Smith's books which of course is cancelled.
This movie smells more of propoganda to me than entertainment. But i do agree that there is a lot of interesting history in the region and africa in general thats never been made into media (film, book, etc) that the average person outside those areas have never even heard of and would likely enjoy.
The fact that we're constantly being lied to about this here in the west is not surprising but gear grinding, Lucky for us we got comments like yours giving us more history knowledge than any dorky history teacher in the world
He's Irish so that's natural. Any attempt not to be "centric" will tend towards inauthenticity. Of course we can go beyond our culture, not by denying or hating it, but by focusing on universal principles when that is appropriate. Europeans made Black Africa give up slavery. Never forget that.
@@jakobinobles3263 It is natural to love one's own people first and foremost. Countless people want to destroy Whites by making us feel guilty about putting ourselves first. if one grows "tall' one can look over one's fence and appreciate the fruits that their neighbors have grown - without coveting them. Good counter about colonialism. I counter your counter: mass immigration by non-Whites into Europe and the United States will destroy the West. You want what we have and don't care if you destroy us in the process. Perhaps you hope for just that. In any case, instead of developing your own nations and growing tall, you're choosing the easy option of robbing the now soft and degenerate West.
They definitely wanted to be the first to make a film about the Dahomey to set their narrative. Had a movie with a more accurate depiction came out first, said narrative would've been dead in the water.
Except a film did come out about Dahomey earlier It’s called “Cobra Verde” and it’s far more realistic, and FAR better of a film. It’s got the Amazons and everything. It even has n*pples!
Entertainment stories often get inspired by actual events or info on events. One of the unplanned results of that is the fact some info no person would ever care about or know about, becomes searched, a win for them that would not have happened
He's actually right about the part people are told to be more guilty as if they were a part of it. It feels like these writers or directors skip history class or never bothered doing research.
The point in talking about slavery isn't to say white people today are guilty for slavery, it's to say that they benefited from slavery in the sense that they had many more generations to build up wealth and status to pass down nationally and personally while black people went from slavery to jim crow, to the war on poverty.
@@johnhachey9239 they forgot one thing tho, some of us didn't have it easy, like maybe Irish and German immigrants, much less ones who immigrated during or right before the World Wars which is something they never seem to understand
@@johnhachey9239 let's also forget that this benefits is so relative and that some places in Africa also benefited from the slave too. An other things: what really benefited from it was the old man and richest, in the civil war most of these "profit" were lost. How many rach people we have here who benefited from it ? An other things: if you come to that place you will also benefit of it: according to this logic more of these "profits" went more to the state than the "individuals" itself. This is not to say that these people benefited from it, but everyone benefits: you benefit of thousand of wars and slaves in order to receive your clothes, phone and etc. We, this generation benefited from thousands of blood, wars. Some people were immigrants who did not live of the slave profit and we ignore these individuals too. But there is a conspiracy: indoctrination and manipulation, making a person feels guilty so then that person can take advantage of the vulnerability of that person. It is not explicit: "it's your fault you should feel guilty" , when you state all this and don't state: but people from now are not guilty, they should not be guilty of their stupid ancestors. But we as a human, we have a moral and the obligation to help and maybe clean this mess!" When you don't state all this, you are making a person feel guilty, it's a tactic of manipulation common used to justify greatest good or to turn you into a guilty's slave: they will use your guilty to justify atrocities and ideas. An other things: the results are the same, you aren't saying, but you are saying it not explicitly.
It's a manipulation tactic common used by sjw: guilty: when a person becomes guilty (for something that he did or not did. Right or wrong) that person becomes vulnerable to manipulation to agendas, politics ideas and etc. This is why sjw are so obsessed with minority to the point of defending stupid ideas and attrocities in the name of greatest good: "we are bad, we must help them" they are mobs, slaves of the guilty. I am not an American: but one thing that I realized: people don't question anything there, people with black skin can do something and people are afraid to question these individuals, cture and etc it's almost as if: they were guilty and want to solve this guilty by becoming people's pets.
@@sydneybooth3646 it's doesn't matter. This is a fictional story, so just like other fictional stories, e.g. Rings of Power, it needs to look like the current world, and by current we mean large urban cities in the western world.
America writes history now, they see slavery as part of racism, and not as class system that was used in Old World (Europe-Africa-Asia) for thousand and thousands of years. There were more enslaved people by the same race than with different race in racist context if there is such.
Slavery _in the U.S._ was absolutely based on notions of racial hierarchy, with whites at the top and blacks at the bottom (and perhaps American Indians somewhere in between). The efforts to block black people from exercising their right to vote that lasted, in its overt form, up to the '60s should, as well as racial segregation, stand as proof enough of the racialist worldview at work. The only people who dispute this are Lost Cause historical negationists - the same people who threw up monuments to Confederate leaders generations after the war had ended as part of a greater campaign to rewrite history and absolve the slave states of guilt. Historically, throughout the rest of the world, sure, what you're saying is true. Anyone could become a slave in most cultures - if you were defeated in battle, well, tough luck, that's how the world works; better you than me. But American slavery - actually, New World slavery in general - was not like this. A white person could be an indentured servant - a rough lot, sure, but generally a voluntary arrangement (setting aside the injustice of the socioeconomic stratification which would have led to such a decision), or else a result of punishment for a crime - but not a chattel slave. The comparison is grossly misleading and ignores nuance and context.
I love the revelation in the movie where we learn that Wakandans actually went into hiding because they were scared of becoming inslaved by The Woman King.
Why did they choose the Dahomey as the "good guys"? For the exact same reason they chose George Floyd as their saint and martyr. War is peace. Love is hate. Lies are truth. And so on, and so forth, ad infinitum.
Congratulations on completely missing the point...Floyd wasn't a good guy, a neither were the idiot cops that murdered him while in custody. Floyd is dead, and the idiot cops are out of a job and in jail...case closed. Try harder to be less stupid...
Just waiting for the George Floyd movie on a few years. I mean it's getting to the point where I am almost starting to like this woke crap. It's gone so far it comedic
U all realize this history was written from the point of view of the colonizers, but please by all means proceed, am an African girl who is happy that for once African women are being portrayed as strong and brave which never happens, so pliz take this away from us aswell
The Beaver: I must build a dam. The bird: I must fly south in winter. The small hat tribe: I must subvert my host nation(s). anti-whiteism is the ruling ideology of the current regime. Want to know who rules over you? Find out who it is you are not allowed to notice, not allowed to criticise, not allowed to hate.
Yaa Asantewaa of Gold Coast's(Ghana) story could be used as inspired by true story. She led the Asante Kingdom against the British when their King 👑 was arrested and exiles to the Seychelles. She didn't win but her courage and tenacity is very much celebrate in the Kingdom to this day. Songs and Poems, books have been written about her
So what you are telling me is that it is possible for Hollywood to make a movie about a German group in the 1940’s that makes them heroic and deserves no backlash?
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Dave, would you consider doing a "truth verification" bit on an older movie form hollywod? like "defiance"?
the Bielski brothers gang NON_REAL story.
two hints - 1) Tuvie Bielski (the base for main hero) stated in his memories that they NEVER fought Germans.
2) younger Bielski was so good natured to Polish people that 40 years after the war he and his wife scammed a 94 y.o, lady in USA for more than 250 000 USD,
promissing to take her back to Poland and take care of her. They cashed the money and disappeared leaving the woman penniless in state care.
Pure "Defiance"
but there is more to it so maybe you can do piece about it?
This is why there is racism, because people like you are not honest. I saw the movie twice. The Dahomey on multiple occasions acknowledged that they were slavers. 2) The Dahomey did not fight the europeans in the movie it was another African tribe.
3) White people only freed the slaves with intentions of sending them out of the country as was done with a colony sent to Haiti. Hence why free land was given away to whites but none to the freed blacks, which would put black people today in a better financial position especially if blacks were not racially attacked post slavery. And lets not forget when these whites freed the slaves, they decided a few year later to go back to the Motherland and enslave them on their own land.
You have distorted history
Did the romans not take slaves, did he Hebrews not take slaves so why is this overly nonsensical criticism of this movie. Using your false logic there would be no country that we can do a movie on because nobody hands are clean.
You did not watch the movie !
@@EPUEPUEPUEPU Dumbest comment I've read all day😂😂😂
Fun fact, one of the original leading actresses dropped out of this film before filming because she refused to glorify a kingdom of slavers.
great to see some people still have standards
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 it's probably fake news, invented by a trump supporter.
Someone who really knows.
I don't understand how she did her homework and it brought her to tears, while Davis still thought this was a good idea.
Don't tell me it was Money. She was already A-List.
Did she want to be a superhero that bad?
Maybe Amanda Waller wasn't good enough for her?
@@coolwata105 to be fair, it did sound badass also Amanda is a villain
Fun fact about the Dahomey kingdom. They were pretty much the Aztec Empire in their time. As in, they were such massive assholes to everyone around them that, when an outside third party started fighting them, those same neighbors joined up with said third party.
That's another of the oft-ignored things about Central and South America - the nations that the Spanish and Portuguese subdued were, in their own right, massively violent, having murdered and enslaved every other nation within reach, etc. But today we must fetishize every conquered nation as "innocent indigenous folks who were just eating whole grains, corn, and singing songs".
Definitely got the ritual sacrifices down.
@CK Lim Indeed, not to mention the blood ritual the Aztec did, were because of a religius beleive that if the god, didint receive the blood the world will end, and other part for just wanted to expand these dudes for what i understand did what they did for money, profit and wealth yes they have some religious sacrifice but were minimum in concer what they took for profit, so in mi eyes the Aztec were not so much better but at least did it because religious beleif
They make the Aztecs seem like a spaceage society.
@CK Lim They used ritial sacrifices to rip out the human sacrifice's heart and eat them while the heart was still beating. They had gotten so efficient they made the victim inhale some herb they found to make them high enough so that the victim would be willing.
Also to point it out: These "Amazons" were counted as wives of the King. Fighting one brought a death penalty. They weren't fierce warriors - It was just illegal to defend oneself if they attacked you.
"...During a battle with French soldiers at Adegon on 6 October during the second war, the bulk of the Amazon corps were wiped out in a matter of hours in hand-to-hand combat after the French engaged them with a bayonet charge. The Dahomey lost 86 regulars and 417 Dahomey Amazons, with nearly all of those deaths being inflicted by bayonets; the French lost 6 soldiers..."
best copy and paste comment i have seen all week,
I don't see why this surprises anyone. Obviously you can't beat that kind of weapon in hand to hand combat like in movies.
@@dropsey3007 So what if it's a copy and paste , its true and relevent to the video . But you keep an eye open for other copy and pastes , just incase you need to inform the internets .
@@dropsey3007 Its the truth.
I heard the French only lost 1 and the other 5 died later of their wounds.
Honestly, a historically accurate portrayal of these event would've been more interresting.
We could've had two sides with their own main and side characters: on one hand, female warriors of Dahomey fighting against colonisers but for a kingdom participating in slave trade.
On the other hand, the conquering British, who oppose slave trade.
Both sides are in the right in one aspect, while in another they're wrong, and neither is black or white. Now THAT would've been interresting to see.
Edit: I just now figured out the irony of writing "neither is black or white", considering they're literally black and white. Wordplay.
If only WOKE Hollywood use logic
British opposed slavery due to the industrial revolution. Not because of the good of their hearts. Additional Dahomey was colonised by the French
@@BlueIvory4 Slavery wasn't practiced in Europe in the first place- plantantions worked on by unpaid forced labour is very much an American thing, and back home British weren't practicing slavery for quite a long time before industrial revolution. At the time of industrial revolution USA still had slaves meanwhile, which means that if the British were doing it for profit they could participate it in instead- but they not only didn't participate, but also spent huge effort and lots of time and money to stop other nations from doing so. If that is not what selflesness is to you, then I don't know what's NOT considered evil by you.
Btw, French conquered Dahomey when they repeatadly invaded and tried to enslave a tribe under French protection, so France didn't really have a choice in the matter of whether they want to take these lands or not, since not colonising would simply mean the continuation of Dahomey invasions.
@@starhalv2427 Lmao, are we just gonna skip over the part where the British had plans to support the confederates?
@@anatomicalx9355 are we gonna skip over the part that attempts to end the trans-atlantic slave trade I've mentioned were made prior to the American Civil war and as a response to USA being the last civilised nation to practice slavery?
Not to mention, the reason British wanted to support Confederacy was due to fear of USA starting a war against GB in the future, and was unrelated to slavery.
They only changed it to an alternate history after they were caught. The director said in an interview how people believe historical movies are accurate. This shows a clear motivation behind this rewriting history.
Somebody is obviously profiting by rewriting history to make whites look like the only bad guys
The movie should be thanked for helping to enlighten people to the truth
Oh, there has been a clear motive with rewriting a lot of movies lately.
It's because they want their version to be the "correct" and "only" true movie so as to influence people in the way theu want people to think.
Think how absolutely brainwashed SJWs are. Imagine spreading that brainwashing to younger generations who dont know another version of a movie exists. How much influence you can have on younger and younger people who will eventually become adults with no free-thinking of their own. Because media has influenced them so much, they cant tell right from wrong.
Only the history that the media tells them is the "only true history" and anyone who says otherwise are "problematic" or "wrong about history".
You mean like Tarantino's Inglorious Basterds?
@@el_killorcure Bastards is just like this Queen movie, lying history. In fact most every hollywood german 20-40's movie is mostly lies
It's good to see that there are people that actually understand the history behind this and don't just fall for things like this
I love that they changed it from based on true events to based on *alternate history*
Among his fans not falling for it but in general media and society its defenders and supporters are loud and plentiful
The pitiful thing is that if the filmmakers had just stuck to the true history here, they easily could have made a truly epic film that showed the authentic history of this time and place to those who were either misinformed or uninformed. It could have been an expose of the genuine human struggle and oppression that the underclasses experienced under the brutal indifference of feudal West African overlords.
The story could have still centered around the power struggle between the aristocracies of the Dahomey and Oyo kingdoms and the main character still could have been a leader of the Agojie. But instead of unrealistically making her an abolitionist right off the bat, the filmmakers could have had her journey through a personal battle of loyalty between her kingdom and her own moral convictions (a struggle which she would have had to conceal from her superiors and subordinates alike). It could have highlighted how she was morally against the abhorrent actions she and her unit were ordered to carry out, but her mental and emotionally conditioning (being tortured and brainwashed as a slave soldier) were all that made her mental and emotional survival possible. It could have ended tragically and poignantly, having her follow her brain instead of her heart, eventually leading her unit to its collective death trying to preserve the autonomy of her kingdom (and its institutional slavery) against the French, who were trying to colonize the region but also end the slave trade. And as she lay dying, she could have felt remorse that she didn't have the courage to do what she knew was right all along.
This film could have been a very humanizing and powerful introspection into the complexity of human morality, while also providing an opportunity to actually HEAL racial divisions, instead of further inflame them. It could have shown that good people of all races and genders are capable of doing terrible things if they're motivated by their own physical, mental, and emotional survival. This moral conflict has always been a leitmotif found at the center of the worst atrocities in human history. The people calling the shots can't do it themselves; they need others to carry out their immoral agendas. And so this could have had a truly populist message, showing that most people in West Africa at this time were just pawns being oppressed and coerced and tortured by elites, a message that would still be relatable to audiences today.
Ironically, these filmmakers had the chance to be incredibly brave and do the righteous thing i.e. tell the true history. Instead, they chose to revise and negate the parts of the history that contradict their cultural Marxist narrative and sensibilities. They gave a fake history lesson, and in doing so, they created a film that is erroneous, cowardly, glib, and divisive instead of accurate, raw, profound, and useful.
A small amount brother. Very small.
The truth wouldn't have fitted their narrative of "white man bad" and they're counting on the general ignorance of Americans to fan the flames of their divisive race/culture war. It's despicable. And what's wrong with the word Queen?
I was a tutor to a student at King's College London. She was given the task of writing an essay on the history of slavery in West Africa. She wrote about the Dahomey kingdom and their enormous role in slavery. I helped her source materials for her essay, which was meticulously referenced. She failed. Her prof said she'd 'missed the point about the true culpability of Europeans' in the role of slavery.
"Never let facts stand in the way of your narrative..." CRT guidebook, probably
Wow. Was the Prof a woman? Although, there are nut ball male Professors, I've just been noticing that the vast majority of these whack jobs are female.
As she should, just because some Africans sold slaves doesn't absolve Europeans of their part in it.
@@amenajackson8133 the Dahomey tribe was a slave empire.
No one claimed Europeans didn't play a part. Writing a paper on the Africans who sold slaves doesn't obsolve Europeans of anything.
It is clear, however, that you are trying to absolve the Africans of their part in the slave trade, even though the Africans are the ones who supplied the slaves.
You're the one absolving people hear dude.
@@paccawacca4069 well isn't that the reason the professor failed your student, you failed to elaborate on the European part in slavery? I said some African tribes sold some people, how am I absolving them?
In the ancient kingdom of Kush, in what is now, Sudan, there was a queen, who led armies against the Romans, when they tried to expand into Nubia after taking Egypt. She fought a long protracted campaign with them over a few years and won many battles. Eventually, the Romans seem to have been victorious, but mysteriously, they gave Cush unusually favorable terms, terms that would be unexpected for a victorious Rome pressing its advantage. They completely canceled the yearly tribute that Kush was having to pay before, and even returned some territories that they had captured, more or less restoring the territories of the kingdom, as they were prior to the conflict, and then some. Because of this, there are scholars who believe the Roman victory might not have been as complete as the Romans would have us believe.
This would make an epic movie!
Additionally, there are innumerable African kingdoms with epic stories that are untouched in Hollywood. Here are just a few of them…
Aksumite Ethiopia
Zagwe Ethiopia
Solomonic Ethiopia
The Ajuran Sultanate of Somalia
The Wagadu (Ghana) Empire
The Mali Empire
The Kanem-Bornu Empire
The medieval Swahili city states
And that’s just the major ones.
There are also individual people of black African dissent that would make for epic, film, heroes, and inspirational stories. Some examples include Yasuke, an African man who came to Japan with the Jesuits, and for a number of years, ended up becoming a samurai, and serving under one of Japan’s most famous and legendary warlords as his personal guard of honor. Or what about the great Malik Ambar. He was a boy in Ethiopia, who was sold into slavery, and eventually ended up in India, where he won his freedom, moved up the ranks in the nobility of Deccan and eventually became so powerful that he literally chose who would be the next sultan of the Deccani Sultanate? Additionally, he dramatically improved the infrastructure by building several cities and advanced plumbing, irrigation and sewage systems, which turned his kingdom into a lush paradise. The guy was also a master of guerrilla warfare. As long as he was alive, the Mughal Empire was never able to conquer the Deccan.
So many good choices that Hollywood could have gone with!
A lot of this would've been perfect historical movies but instead they chose dahomey of all things. I am also under the impression that the story of the kingdom of dahomey was picked with racist connotations because apparently for the creators the name sound sweeehhgg because Da Homey.
Great Zimbabwe is another one.
yes queen kandake amanarenas..theyd never make that movie though black ppl defeating the roman empire theyd never let us be portrayed as that mighy
@@djeio
Exactly. Not to mention that they discovered a mural in the ruins of one of the Kushite temples depicting Roman slaves shackled at the foot of the queen.
@@sakogekchyan7366 id pay to have the movie made i was so surprised when i heard about the Nubi kingdom and how they survived even unto British times
Lupita Nyong'o she of "Black Panther" fame and more importantly is an Oscar winner for her role in "Twelve Years a Slave" and also is the daughter of Kenyan diplomats. She was sent the script and offered the leading role in the "The Woman King" but she went to Benin the modern state of the former Kingdom of Dahomey and did her own research. Upon learning of the brutal history of the Dahomey and their enthusiastic role in the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade she turned down the role.
This is VERY FALSE and she has confirmed that she was never in the running for this movie.
@@tolaa1 All promotional material from 2018, when the movie was first publicly announced, announced she was starring in it. They only stopped mentioning her in 2020 when she turned down the role. Whether she was in the running for any specific role might be debatable, but she was sent a script and was mentioned as being in the movie until she officially turned it down. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
I’m not surprised. She seems like a woman of integrity that cannot be easily bought.
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The story isn’t just adjusted for drama it’s turned on its head completely. The villains became the heroes and the heroes the villains.
I remember a quote from Malcolm X to that effect.
@@SubtleStair "The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent.” -Malcolm X
To be honest I've seen more people big mad about it written by two white women.
@@Hath.0: I'm looking into that also. Just like BLM... I heard that it has its TRUE roots
among the Communist CHINESE - originated in China, "managed" by White lesbians in the USA.
As in everything the left touches. Never forget the socialist genocides.
King Ghezo - who once boasted that "Mothers send their children to sleep with stories of their enemies reduced to slavery" and said he would do anything to get along with the British Empire but PLEASE, PLEASE don't ask him to give up the slave trade.
Incidentally, I first heard about the Dohomey in a video by Carl Benjamin about Britain's Crusade Against Slavery.
Carl the Applebee's waiter?
The African revolt when the evil white mentried to end slavery. Documented by the north africans .
Doesn't go with the woketivists anti white pro black message.
The British Empire did more to end slavery than anyone else in history, globally.
@@zeehero7280 Yes they did, and that's one more reason why I've always loved Britain and British history despite not having any familial roots there. It certainly wasn't perfect, no country is, but it was a lot better than many others.
@@zeehero7280 They also did a lot of slavery, invasion, imperialism, genocide, war, so they don't need a little pat on the back.
"The truth often gets in the way of a good narrative... and agenda." Well put, good sir!
Depressing fact: Two years after King Ghezo died, his son had 800 slaves sacrificially beheaded in his father’s honor. Originally, he wanted 1,000 but had to make do.
Wild
Man, that's really brutal and f'ed up.
Was the depressing fact that he beheaded slaves, or that he could only behead 800 of them instead of a thousand?
Cool story bro
@@IsntTheInternetGreat yes
Fun fact: there's a good chance atleast one of the actors in the film had an ancestor who was sold into slavery by the very people this film tries to portray as heroes
Sadly there is no way to know, since a lot of their ancestral history was erased
@@nameisamine But it still could be true though.
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@@nameisamine I think we know for sure "there is a good chance..."
@@nameisamine There was once on British TV a black woman found a name of a person who enslaved her acessors. The TV station did some digging and they find out the name was not a white person but a black person who sold his own children in slavery.
This film is proof why we should never take actual history events and sell them as movies unless you have writers that CARES more about history than anything else
also proof that far left are villains trying prop up villains to be the "good guys" the far left are total commies
A good recent example would be THE DEATH OF STALIN - a movie that took very few liberties with history (outside of an extra massacre or two) because it didn’t need to.
You can't sell a historical event 🤣 ever hear of public domain? What do you mean you have your actual textbooks tell your kids "and then there was red men here and then there was no red men here magically" knock it off. You guys have such double standards it's nauseating.
Yup. This was some cringey larp. None of it happened the way it was depicted in the movie.
This is some bullshit ..this isn’t the first a Hollywood movie has done this ..why does this one get so heated ..
Cleopatra producers noticed the historical vandalism and said hold my beer
They chose the Dahomey for one reason only: feminism. They liked the idea of a female warrior narrative "based on a true story". The fact that the "Woman King" was only appointed because the Dahomeyans had run out of male leaders, and this phase of the war was a last-ditch battle en route to complete defeat didn't matter to them. Damn history, damn truth, damn even basic realism. The idea of a regiment of black women under a female leader fighting white men (and, in their telling, winning, of course) was all they cared about.
"Live not by lies", said Alexander Sozhenitsyn. Probably not a popular quotation in Hollywood.
Morality comes a distant second to the narrative they want to push, truly evil.
Of course it's a popular saying there it goes against what they do for a living
They chose it for its feminist and anti white message
The Dahomey women warriors existed for hundreds of years.
@@amenajackson8133 So what? They were slave-hunters who were hated by everyone.
The Agojie also got their butts kicked, in hand to hand combat no less, by the French during the second Franco-Dahomean war. They lost nearly 500 women. The French lost 6 men. Hardly the fierce and highly effective fighting force portrayed in the film. That K/D ratio is like something out of the 2nd Punic War.
Heard the French were good with bayonets.
@@Joshua_N-A And I don't doubt that they took them seriously.
You know why they got their butts kicked? Biology, men are physically stronger than woman, one of the many things Hollywood refuses to acknowledge
who cares they have to be one of the most un likable forces in history
Don't underestimate the French military. It has the most battles won in world history.
I think this is a massive own goal when it comes to the culture wars stuff. It's going to get people looking into the actual history and it will open a lot of peoples eyes.
most people don't read past a headline
I think you're right
Here's hoping!
Good luck
WW2 is the biggest lie. If people knew true history they would understand just how bad the current time is and what can actually be done about it.
I like how the director or Viola Davis openly admitted on Twitter that they heavily altered their narrative from the historical context because it would make them look bad otherwise.
Honestly the film just makes me appreciate The Last Samurai all the more. It's about as historically accurate as The Woman King, yet it's a great film that's adored by the Japanese.
"Honestly I just love historical revisionism involving white people"
Loud and clear.
@@MagcargoMan I guess the Japanese count as "white" now.
@@MagcargoMan yes unironically
@@MagcargoMan It's literally the Japanese. And they don't shy away from the treatment the Native Americans received either. And they did it with a better story to boot. So tell me how it isn't already better?
I need link pls
Getting your history from movies is like learning physics from Road Runner cartoons.
Agree
You mean I can't run on air until I look down? My worldview has been destroyed.
Road Runner is mostly accurate. Except for conservation of momentum. And energy. And selective application of gravity.
Very accurate assessment, and a funny remark as well.
You deserve way more likes.
Can't wait to see the sequel, "The Man Queen." It practically writes itself.
Would the Man Queen be Caitlyn Jenner?
Starring "Elliot" Page in black face, on how he fought the toxic whiteness in africa and "Slaver bad".
Much Stunnig, much brave.
Starring RuPaul. 😂
@@KB-si5fx The Ma'am-ening.
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I simply loved how she led all those Stormtroopers to defeat the Klingons at the Battle of Gondor. And the part were she said 'Say hello to my little friend' while she blasted that Xenomorph with a pulse rifle.....beautiful.
Or the part where she shouted “come on you apes, you wanna live forever,” and lead the fight against the Goa’uld. Yet for all that; even she could not locate the Red October.
Keep seeing funny comments like this on similar videos... Can you explain where the joke came from? I mean, it's funny in a nonsensical way, but I'm interested to know more
@@doesntmatter7485 I've seen these types of jokes a LOT more since the Morbius movie
Well... as you know... Dahomey don't play that!
@@AGnar0k The joke comes from the Lord of the Rings community joking about LOTR Rings of Power being very bad at following established lore. The original joke is basically this. "I love when Galadriel said (X) while fighting (Y). Such a truly inspiring moment for the (Z)." X,Y,Z must have nothing to do with the Lord of The Rings.
My favorite part was when Viola Davis said "It's dahomin' time!" and dahomed the shit out of everyone. Truly one of the movies.
Yeah especially when she was left outnumbered, and she made the quip "guess we should've brought dahomeys"
Truly one of the films of all time
"Historical Vandalism" is a fantastic description.
Yes indeed
It is. This is what "Archeaology" should be called...."Historical Vandalism."
A movie about Black Slavers that actors and Hollywood try to portray as heroes and freedom fighters. This is like trying to make a movie where the Nazis are the good guys. And so many people try to argue "Well 300 and Vikings were slavers yet you enjoy those."
Yeah, except those movies were either comical exaggerations or didn't try to warp history to fit a narrative.
Plus, the Spartans and Vikings had a lot more going for them culturally than slavery. The kingdom in this movie just had the biggest goddamned boner for the concept of enslaving their fellow man, to the point it was the backbone of their entire economy.
300 while over the top was entertaining. And quotable. if this was a documentary I’d be upset. But I don’t expect any regular flick to be anything close to be historically accurate.
300 is a masterpiece compared to this mediocre, abysmal looking film
@@jamerson4967 💯👍. 300 is a movie.
This movie looks like a piece of content
@@jamerson4967 300 was also based on a Graphic Novel, which was meant essentially as a super exaggerated version of history. This movie meanwhile effectively lies about history in every concievable way and makes a group of truly vile people seem heroic.
"The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source of glory of their wealth...the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery" King Ghezo of Dahomey
I was trying to explain this to one of my friends
"Imagine if they made a new Schindler's List, where Goebbels is frantically doing his part to stop the other Nazis from murdering all the Jews/etc, and they played it entirely straight."
Exactly.
How is that so hard to understand?
For the last 15 years (give or take) every time I see "based on a true events", I read "better do your own research" and it gives me heavy cringe.
It's like Hollywood is back in time, when they were censoring half of the movies for being inappropriate, except now its worse, because now they're censoring the audience "This is what you should like, because this is appropriate"
this is all about capitalizing on the LAZY and hateful look at whats happening in south africa this is the kind of BS they capitalize on
I have always loved the fact the Coen brothers satired 'based on true story' with the opening disclaimer of Fargo:
"At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.”
I
LOVE THAT
👍
The difference is, Fargo was actually a very good movie!
@@desitterspace2127 so is this one
@@kbanghart good joke comedian
Yep, there are many actually good African heroes, and what makes me perplexed is that there's even a dinasty of warrior African Queens (the Kandakes, which one of them is even cited in the New Testament), whose history would be way more exciting without taking many liberties. One of the Kandakes even fought mounted in a war elephant against the Romans (and won, according to the legends), and there are even modern adaptations on this event (written in Neo-Latin, though), so they could simply take that and make a good war movie with a strong female lead.
nahhh they decided to go with the pillaging human sacrifice slavers
And see that's what you might need to work on, is being perplexed by this.
There are no African heroes except Livingstone. Before Europeans arrived, Africans lived naked in the dirt without a written language and the white man had to stop them from selling each other to Arabs and eating the people they didn’t buy.
Heroism is subjective. Every historical civilization did something at the expense of others. Many historical civilizations that we praise today as heroes employed certain moral standards at a point, that goes against ours today. No civilization in history is without controversy.
I bet they had some aspect of competency or traditionalism that turned off pedophile Marxist filth who make these movies.
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped." George Orwell (1984)
Make Orwell fiction again...
It's just a movie
user Joe Smith has never seen a movie before. Dude thought he was watching footage from the past like he was on the History Channel.
@@kimmmwest2722 no rewriting history are NOT just a movie...
@@Lilolindiriel yeah actually it is just a movie...
Black man here. Thank you telling the truth of The Woman King.
his perspective is filled with half truths and very little analysis. Pablum for the masses
This movie is about as accurate as that movie where Abraham Lincoln was a vampire Hunter
Ironically, a good chunk of the vampire hunter movie was accurate (ignoring the vampire-related stuff, obviously) to what we know about Lincoln. Which means the silly vampire movie did a better job than the movie claiming to be historically accurate.
boi lowkey i would watch that again, i remember having a blast with it
@@hellyzenthedestroyer2783 that movie indeed lowkey slapped
I mean, he was assassinated by the closest thing we have to vampires on Earth (Satanic blood drinking globalist bankers).
That movie was actually entertaining though and knew it was BS
Well we are living in a "choose your own adventure" era. The Rings of Power shows us that all they want is access to the source material so they can pick and choose what to use, what to bin, how to use those elements in the way they want, how they can modify those characters or events. It's a case of picking and choosing from history or literature.
We are living in a degenerate, artless, truthless era.
"I can't enjoy the game if the person doesn't look like meeeee"
Me playing Prey (2016) as a tiny Asian woman:
Ah shit. Now i remember those shitty rings show. Thank you, fuccers, lol. Now we talk about it, Hollywood seems getting more rabid in making faux strong women movie. It almost feels like they are being chased by time and deadline, and start mass producing faster. Idk what's their agenda here
If you're going to bastardize a story, kind of like Django Unchained does, at least don't base it on real events
@@chakravartin3356 Their agenda is to weaken our society which makes us more easy to be submissive, divisive, docile and vulnerable to attack. Essentially it opens up a can of worms on multiple fronts. China helps to push the shit in Hollywood while they teach their people the opposite they are strengthening their people and military, Russia is no different and we keep poking the bear. It plays into a larger picture to destroy America from within, they are spinning the wheels of propaganda turning our love of entertainment and our sense of compassion as a weapon against us to weaken our society and the gullible fall for it hook line and sinker. Another thing to note is that too many franchises died at the hands of Wokeism, this is no longer a coincidence and for too long they've known if you Go Woke You Go Broke so this is not about money to them this is intentional. Films like Star Wars, Terminator, Ghostbusters etc..have been apart of American Culture the intentional killing of those franchises was an attack on American Culture.
"Based on POWERFUL true events". The use of an adjective to instill a feeling in that sentence, tells a lot about the movie.
You mean marketing is trying to instill a feeling? Wow go figure...
@@Sonicifyouwanit Woosh
So what? What about all the pro USA nonsense American movies portray it's Hollywood.
@Marcus no it's not whataboutism for I didn't see people making videos like these for the 300, zero dark thirty, the hurt locker, the king or other nonsense Hollywood puts out we just accept it as Hollywood.
@@prometheusunbound 300 is pro-USA?
Also the equivalent of 300 to this one would be if it was 300 Persians defending against an army of Greek.
We know why they chose the Dahomey to base this film on, Dave, and so do you. It's mentioned in the very same article you referenced. But one of the two producers (both of whom are white women), Maria Bello, has a penchant for Africa & African history, as well as strong feminist leanings. And after seeing the movie "300", she lamented on the fact that there weren't any female versions of movies like that, based on "real events", and decided that she'd make it her business to create one instead.
And it was stated in the beginning of the movie that they needed to get out of the slave trade, so it's not like the people who watch the movie did not recognize that they were into slave trading. Sorry it's not Dances With The Wolves!
@@Jozroch1 That's the issue, the movie was still promoted as something that it clearly wasn't, in order to paint a narrative that wasn't historically accurate. Nobody said anything about it being Dances W/ Wolves. Knock it off.
In today's world of black censorship sometimes a drop of knowledge can turn into a cup of Truth. Weather it has 100% truth or 100% fantasy people that I know now know about this culture and how they really were.
I just watched the movie and the movie did do just that. I have to say this video is crap though. He speaks as if he did not see the movie because the movie addresses the nations role in the slave trade very well.
@@jaewilliams9443 Does it? Or does it attempt to white wash it (in a sense)?
People who know history can rarely be bullshitted by anything. Because it contains huge amount of lessons, that we are ignoring.
This was a good movie
How can it be good if it's fake. Should be a disclaimer in the beginning that says fantasy
@@andrewbetances1203 so you think movies are real?
@@amenajackson8133 based on a true story* uhh that's a claim that it needs to be an honest movie. Saving private Ryan? Are you saying that was fake?
@@kbanghart It was shitty, and everyone but you thinks so.
I feel a movie like this could have fooled the masses in the 80's or 90's, but those behind the curtain should realise this is the age of the internet and the truth spreads quickly. Let it be a lesson.
this is not true. I remember this being talked about before the movie was mention a around 2015-16 about a brave all women miltary in Africa fighting against slavery in which this movie is about. even with the internet there are a lot of millenials and Gen zers that are still easily manipulated by what the media and world wants them to think.
People cannot think for themselves anymore, if some random influencer tells them something, then that is the truth are far as they are concerned and they will resist any attempts to be educated when they are wrong.
@@rightchea idk what your talking about black men highly dislike this movie. Besides some women because… women moment. But the fact conservatives think liberals like this movie just cause it was made, shows how outa touch y’all truly are. Liberals was crying like usual on Twitter when the trailer first dropped
The internet is WHERE people get their false information. No one cares about truth nowadays, so they won't go searching for it.
@@rightchea Add on social conformity and censorship, and you get a situation where the truth can be available and irrelevant.
I'm African American,and this movie is like making Nazi's heroes! Thanks for keeping it real.
U all realize this history was written from the point of view of the colonizers, but please by all means proceed, am an African girl who is happy that for once African women are being portrayed as strong and brave which never happens, so pliz take this away from us aswell. Ps am in Africa.
I, personally, am all for making a story about strong black women. They deserve far FAR BETTER than the Woman King. More than an image of strength & power, they need a good role-model. A far better role model, than a clan of slavers & profiteers.
@@michellemirembe6057 how is enslaving and selling hundreds of thousands of people strong and brave?
@@michellemirembe6057 when you only see color
@@michellemirembe6057 So you prefer to be lied in order to feel good. That will work for you long-term, no doubt.
Everytime Hollywood makes a historical movie, I always get ready for the crapstorm that's about to hit
Always... even know nobody cared to raise one before this movie?
Yes thank you for bringing this to attention!! So tired of these “inspired by true events” and “based on a true story” and people believing them to be true.
Never forget Takako Konishi died looking for the bag of money in the film Fargo because the film starts with "This is a true story".
like ghost horror movies, heh
"Based on a true story" doesn't mean "this is a reenactment". It doesn't mean it's a historic educational piece. I don't think people are stupid enough to believe that, I think certain people had presuppositions, and wouldn't like the film even if it is good.
@@Kornelius707 I've seen enough stupid people to know there probably is tons of them who think this is 80-100% true.
@@Kornelius707 - People in Scotland will wear blue face-paint to sporting events because of Braveheart, despite the current Scots essentially wiping out the Pict society (the people who actually allegedly had that practice). You'd be surprised and saddened at how much the average person gets historical knowledge from fictional films.
People who've seen this "movie": Hats off to you. You are real super heroes. A common sensed person could never endure this much brain shredding.
Jesus loves you
@@scrubbingdoubles8585 Wanna taco bout Jesus? Lettuce pray.
@@bigmi2ke May the ketchup be upon you.
@@redman9493 And salsa on you.
DANG THAT IS FUNNY!
Oscar movie for sure.
The brutality these women inflicted on their own people is .. horrific. They were trained as brutal killers from childhood. They had no loyalty except to the King and I'm sure many of them were his lovers and brides.
Their whole kingdom was brought down after one of their raids was on a French colony and France said "Nope" and wiped them out.
Their descendants are alive today and super rich thanks to the wealth they amassed from the slave trade. They live is located London, Paris and other euro places.
And the French lost 6 soldiers to many hundreds of “Amazons killed … that’s how good the were … and they were armed.
@@kwc1138 well, we have to exaggerate the prowess of the amazonians because women.
@@kwc1138 This is the part that makes me laugh. They also died at nearly 5x the rate of their male counterparts.
It wasn't their own people. Africans are not homogenous. Africa is the most culturally and linguistically diverse continent on Earth.
Viola Davis regrets her role in The Help depicting a woman exposing cruelty against black housworker, but is proud of the role of brutal slave hunter monster in The Woman King. Good job Ms Davis
Cope and seethe klansman. The help is white savior bs.
My favourite movie was when Albert Einstein took a stand against "toxic masculinity" and ventured to Narnia to find the rings of power
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That's a good one.
The book was better
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Please refrain from using her dead name, it's Alberta Einstein now.
@@ano_nym 🤣🤣🤣
I bet this is going to be up for best picture at the oscars
Its already been voted for and secretly confirmed.
No you must have multiple minority's now I think you need African asian LGBTcnñhfd at least now
Zero explanation needed
One Oscar at minimum, but the Oscar for the best Movie needs some Alphabet representation, too.
No shrimp, Sherlock
Rewriting history one story at a time.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” -Orwell, 1984
Wow imagine saying this when in America you guys lie in your actual textbooks about what the country has done but THIS. This is real revisionist history right? 🤣 White people trying so hard to be oppressed
I never dreamed a book of fiction would turn out to be quite accurate
USA?
@@SMaamri78
Whose to say it was ever fiction? But a warning about the future that is to come to pass and was never going to be taken seriously if it wasnt "fiction"?
Your mug says 'How is a this thing' great start to the video, really makes me confident that you what you're talking about know.
If you make the villains of history the good guys then you can convince the massive to commit horrific acts in the name of heroism
Yep.
That's something you can see throughout history.
@@AriThecraftydragon everyone forgets that the German soldiers thought they were the good guys
@@casualgamerboi3789 This would make sense if it was trying to convince you of something evil, like committing slavery. It doesn't make sense when they fight to free slaves and abolish prisoner slavery at the sake of their empire's wealth. Watch the movie's you critique.
So like how nearly every movie paints America as a big "good" in the world?
@@MagcargoMan most of Hollywood has done that for a long time now. However a very direct example is any movie that uses u.s military equipment, which is a lot of them. Basically in order for the movie to be released the military has to review the script to make sure it adequately promotes the u.s military (by this I mean it looks cool and doesn’t denigrate it). In movies about previous wars this still applies, so these movies are historically revised so that nothing that makes the u.s military look bad is in there
Makes me appreciate movies like Hacksaw Ridge and Midway. Looking up some of the more absurd events of those films, I found out they were entirely real. In the case of Desmond Doss, some of his real actions had to be toned DOWN for the movie because they would've been too unbelievable for any audience. Obviously, things were added or changed for the film, but as long as the major events were kept in line with history, that's okay in my book.
This just looks like exactly what you say, historical vandalism. Rewrite history so as to make some cheap empowerment story. There's a difference between empowering events in history and those you have to manipulate to be empowering to specific people.
Andrew Garfield did a fantastic job in Hacksaw Ridge.
It's almost apparent that intelligent people are the minority on this earth now. I don't know about where any of you all live, but where I live, the intellectual capacity of the people here is little to none.
I remember reading year ago that Hollywood doesn't go after medal of honor stories because so many of them, especially when the recipient survived the act of courage, are so ludicrous that studios don't think such a film would do well because "the audience wont believe it".
Audie Murphy and Desmond are the only 2 MOH recipients with movies I can think of, and they did do insane things.
It's a shame because those REAL stories of REAL heroes I'd watch the hell out of. I think we all would.
Same thing happened with Audey Murphy, the WW2 US soldier, they did a movie about him and toned down a lot of things that were hard to believe.
Midway was trash. Not as bad as Woman King, but most events portrayed there had nothing to do with history. They took very general approach of taking real places and names and rest was fiction.
I cannot thank you enough for how hard you work to bring us such truths. Even when it’s unpopular and difficult to stomach you manage to express it in a very orderly and factual manner. Something that is becoming increasingly rare these days, especially within social media. Thank you for your integrity and work sir.
We don't need a history lesson from this white man about the slave trade... Why do he go correct all them inaccurate white movies
WOW, Dave, you are clearly someone who TELLS THE HISTORICAL TRUTH! I subscribed to your channel.
Can’t wait to see these people give us another project, perhaps something like how Germany worked itself out of a depression and became a world conquering power with its inclusive and diverse friends in Japan.
US sheep are salty. XD
Bet Viola Davis will be keen to play the lead in that movie - and why not, isn't it time for a Hitler who "reflects the world we live in" ? and is appropriate for "modern audiences"
@@RRTNZ I can see it now, the German leader with the short mustache played by a woman of color. Sounds about right for a current film coming out of Hollywood.
To be fair, the Japanese empire only became a thing because of the US. So there is a lot of blame there. As for Germany and Hitler, that was just cruelty by the victors of the first world war. Like, if they didn't try to strangle the German people, WW2 would have never been a thing.
@@peskypeet Bet she could do the voice perfectly.
I love how Hollywood desperately wants to make the war between the Dahomey Amazons and the French look like the African 300 when in reality the French won not only a decisive victory but an overwhelming one. In fact it was actually less like a battle and more like a massacre.
The Dahomey lost between 1,000 and 2,000 warriors while the French lost 16. It wasn't even close.
Six ...the French lost six men!
Lmao there's so many female warriors in history that are left out, or outright removed, all becuase of "Narrative"
My people the Mapuche people, are a warrior people, from the beginning of our history we fight and fought, also took in slaves, all that shabang, the Inca and Aztecs tried many times to conquer us, we had throughout our history our share of heros and heroines, one of them learning about her husband had fallen in battel agaisnt the Spanish, she retrieved his gear and went out to fight the Spanish, along with many other women. To claim the most fierce female warriors is not even close, we have even today the YPG a female Kurdish battalion, that from the information I can get, are more woman than any western woman. It's one thing to say AFRICAS most deadly, but to claim the whole worlds? I think maybe a class action is needed
Well that's a given, they would win, not just becuase of technology, but not use the pleb idea of numbers over quality 😂
@@snikrepak From a survival-of-the-race point of view, sending women to the battlefront absurdly risky. Not wise at all.
Those so-called amazons did not even know how to hold a rifle right. Their "combat experience" was mostly related to hunting and killing slaves.
This would be like making a movie about Eva Braun or Magda Goebbels and portraying them as strong, intelligent women who helped their struggling nation of Germany recover from a military defeat and an economic depression by promoting the arts, family, a strong economy, and civic pride.
Sounds like an accurate and wonderful movie idea
I’d say yes so long as it doesn’t turn into a pro facism/eugenics propaganda film.
Isn’t that what they did?
@@Memoiana Easy $
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Nice critique based on real history instead of a political agenda. Thank You!
Last time I checked a "King" is a male ruler. She'd be a "Queen" instead. That's why I gave this a hard pass.
Only feminst are obsessed over women getting men titles. It clearly the two white feminist writer wanted to write about Amazon warrior women and simply figure out how to fit the rest of the Black impowerment later. Like if it was a black Impowerment movie first they probably could find thousands of better people in Africa.
It's almost as if woke Hollywood was aware that their message is: "Women are worth something only when they behave like men". Like in all these "female empowerment" movies, with no exception.
@@ettoreoddo women behaving like men: Good
men behaving like men: bad
men behaving like women: good
women behaving like women: bad
did I get the liberal logic right?
Agreed we had Queen Elizabeth not King Elizabeth. And Queen Elizabeth owned being a queen and not once complained about not being a king.
I mean, personally I applaud this kind of nonsense. It makes it much easier for me to immediately skip something. I hadn't heard of this movie until the videos making fun of it - but if I had been at a theatre, I don't need to see a poster or watch a trailer. I see "The Woman King" and I know, I'm not watching that film. So, A+ to the crew behind the movie for saving me time and money.
My wife is Nigerian and she was upset about all the anachronism within this movie, and to add insult to injury there were Nigerian actors who allow all the bad writing concerning historical fact mistakes.
Two white women wrote it and somehow your placing the blame on anyone but them. That tells you everything
Litterally everyone that actually LIVES in africa and studies african history, knows how disgusting this movie is.
Really speaks volumes that the same clowns trying to push this woke propaganda, are also high off their euro-centrism.
Oof
They could have made the movie about yaa asantewaa, who actually was a high ranking member of the Ashanti kingdom and convinced her people to take up arms to defend their sovereignty. But the Ashanti kingdom being powerful was also an extremely belligerent kingdom.
they do it for a cheque
It makes me wonder if they thought that people weren't going to notice the actual history, or that they just didn't care.
they really don't care
They're just seeing how big of a lie they can peddle and how many sheep will either believe or be cognitively dissonant of the lie. They're experimenting to see how absurd of a narrative they can get people to believe and defend, how brazenly can they rewrite history, how many people can they convince through propaganda that an unpopular thing is actually popular, etc. It's informational and psychological wartime experimentation.
If it's not served to the.on the nightly news, it's not real or it's fake news lmao
The people that notice aren't their intended audience.
@@morriganfey6079 this
I loved the bit where the Elves jump the Dwarven shield wall.
It was so inspiring when that woman destroyed Sauron while in her X-wing fighting over the Death Star during the great predator invasion of New Vegas.
Damn it, now I want to see a movie with that in it!
New Vegas😂
Yeah but in real history, she was trying to protect Hitler's clone...
@@error_macro3513 Certified Wild Wasteland moment.
Nah when she killed the ender dragon and captured Cortana was a better scene
I love this channel! Thank you for your voice my friend.
His main channel is on bitchute where he discusses politics is fantastic as well
His content is the best
Also I feel like this could have been a very interesting movie if it was historically accurate and would be a major eye opener for people
What’s in accurate?
I didn’t watch the movie but I’ll already know the history… just curious
Whoa, you think audiences are ready for COMPLEX characters and stories?
You say that while probably believing there was no metallurgy in Sub-Saharan Africa.
@@EustaBAracer it's just the reality of film adaptation, look at Braveheart
@@brokentv1855 did u even watch da video homie?
Imagine when slavery is so out control in a country that the Europeans of all people had to intervene.
@sottunar7915I think its become abundantly clear just how ignorant most people are of how thoroughly slavery has been practiced by cultures from the ENTIRE world, as well as the leading role Europe had in reducing that practice.
@@monkeydude9192Europe expanded it the mist however. And in all honesty never really ended it. They just transformed it. India was essentially a slaved state to the British
Personally I'm pleased this movie came out, I'm pleased with the way it was advertised when it came out, but, what I am most pleased about is how it has been caught out in it's deception.
It has given a massive opportunity to confront deceptive and blatantly false narratives about slavery and who was involved. Awesome event and hopefully a turning point for those interested in the truth.
This 100%. It's refreshing to see how many RUclipsrs (especially Americans) are reacting to vids like this, taking the knowledge on board and sharing it. Understanding history and the context of historical events is the first step towards moving forward.
Indeed. History cannot be suppressed or distorted by propaganda forever
But you know many will believe it's true history. Same way some even believed Wakanda was a real place.
@Eric McLeod No way, as someone who is from an African country, can you make me believe someone actually thought Wakanda was real...no way. I refuse.
@@ashleighcochrane Search "People that think Wakanda is real". I lose faith in humanity more and more.
I call it more attempts to rewrite history using the tactics made famous in the dystopian book ,1984.
that wont happen and 1984 is not ebcoming a reality. communistnations tried rewriting history and failed. and orwell was not a prophet
Really? So all the movies depicting colonials as peaceful hippies too then right?
@Nate G. You should be optimistic about the future. All the white supremacists, even the closeted ones dissipate to nothingness as well they should
@@PrinceIsot hey clown!
You dropped this: 🔴
@@PrinceIsot Rewriting history in a way that serves the purpose of the elite.
Colonials still serve a purpose of how bad and horrible white man is, ironically, since all the elites are white.
Because it helps them keep fools like the left in control and away from freethinking.
"Believe our history as the only history you need to know. Because every other history is deemed too problematic."
History is written by the victor. Who do you think is winning now? And writing history to suit their needs and purposes? The elite. They have an agenda, dont fall for it.
Yeah... It kinda happens. Here in México we had (and mostly still have) a very pro-indian history of the colony. Though most of educated people know about the brutality of the Aztecs, they're often depicted as the brave and noble warriors and leaders of a great empire. Somewhat similar to spartans.
Also similar to spartans... they were a bunch of assholes.
People often see the Spanish as the "bad guys", because they're colonizers and greedy and white. Which is true, especially the greedy part. And literally, everyone there knew it. AND STILL like 80% of the... altepetls (they're like... counties. just think them as counties) choose to side with the Spanish because yeah I mean they were brutal, loved gold, had little respect and they were full on Jesus but AT LEAST they didn't rip off the hearts of your brothers and throw their bodies from a pyramid to be dismembered in public and probably cannibalized, basing their whole society on raiding and extracting tribute from everyone without a massive army.
But hey at least they werent white so probably the good guys.
@@eagleowl833 how about we donʼt blame people for their ancestorsʼ behaviours?
La izquierda fomenta el odio a la hispanidad, nuestra mezcla de sangres fue inevitable y dio fruto a la multiculturalidad eso es lo que somos y debemos aceptarnos
@@aliyahabrahams that would be preferable.
yeah, in central america we have no sympathy for Aztecs either. Those guys were responsible for such brutality that it still lingers in some mayan and other tribes's ruins. Yet people claim the spanish rule, which ended the brutal murder by the aztecs, is the one at fault
When it comes to this you always need to see it from a gray perspective. Non of them were good
Very interesting and informative analysis...your usual style. Thank you for shedding light on this subject.
This reminds me of an old Alamo movie with John Wayne. There was certainly a compelling story there about a small group of men resisting a huge force.
But they went and put some crazy spins on the actual story to portray them in the best light possible. There is a scene where one of the fighters freed his slaves and told them to leave before the battle, but they were so loyal that they stay and die with their ex master.
Mexico had given out a once in a lifetime opportunity to own land to anyone who wished. Any outsider could move to Mexico territory and settle the land, with the understanding that they follow Mexican law and become Mexican citizens.
The Texan rebellion had many facets, but one was that they refused to give up their slaves, which was made illegal in Mexico. The fact that they included a scene where someone frees their slaves when that is literally one of the things they were fighting for is ridiculous.
This, and many other cultural movies and stories, is among the reason why people have such a horribly skewed idea of slavery in the USA and especially the cause of the Civil War. Every single state that seceded from the States named slavery as their motivation, and the Confederacy enshrined slavery over black people as a god given right, a "natural order". The "states rights" the South was fighting for was the right to own Africans as slaves. The fetishization of the traitor South is one of the many reasons why so many people are ignorant of the history of slavery and racism in this country.
@@roberthesser6402 but "muh War of Northern Aggression" even though the south was the first to take military action.
All true stories suffer that fate. But this one encourages racial hatred due to the lies.
@@scifiwriter98
"Muh racial hatred" 😂 oh my god
@@dillonblair6491 Watch some videos of whites being attacked for no reason by blacks. Or read some news stories about the back on white violent crimes. Carjacking is up by 30% in most major cities.
People like you aren't informed enough to have opinions so just leave it to people like me with a brain and critical thinking skills.
I went to see this movie because everyone says it's not accurate, but okay, maybe is a good movie! Well.. It's a basic propaganda. I can resume it to you: black people good, white people bad, women strong, men weak. This is it. A tiny 60kg girl can take down 4 men because she is an empowered black woman 👏🏻 so brave!
You actually didnt watch the movie. It was more like some Black people Good. Some Black people Bad. Women are strong melee fighters, but Men moved on to guns. Your review was worse than WhatCulture's tend to be...
@@cmike123 movie is shit in short , men are more physically capable and they even try to change a biological fact
@@cmike123 thank you
Can we all take a minute to appreciate the fact they were called Dahomeys
This one goes out to all Dahomeys that are gone...
Ah shit, he we go again.
I’m disappointed at how far I had to scroll for this comment.
Everyone wants to be da kangz but nobody wants to be dahomeys...
A trailer has a Dahomey character claiming "the Europeans" want to invade them .The Dahomey Kingdom had an overall great relationship with European powers , including a personal correspondance and friendship between the its King and the King of Portugal , with the latter even offering to invite the former to Brazil .The first true conflict betwee an European power and the Dahomey came when Britain banned Slavery and started to attack Slaver ships connected to the Dahomey (How low must you fall for England to be morally superior to you ?)
A trailer shows a character saying "We are the Blade of Freedom" ... the Dahomey had a literal ritual centered around how they forced captured slaves to walk around a tree to make them forget about their families , nation and culture and the King once proclaimed that Slavery was an integral part of their culture and that mothers sang to their children about the enslavement of innocents in a "glorious light" .
What is it with media glorifying extremely disorderly and backwards cultures ? .England , the Dahomey , the Aztec (The first and third are connected) , the Caliphates , et cetera .Is our modern morality so backwards that we glorify self-proclaimed victims who constantly victimize others ? .
Also , should be noted that these "badass" opressive and slaver women got their asses kicked by the French in their one and only engagement and that put an end to them as a military unit .None survived , almost no Frenchies died .
It's like what my dad used to say. If the film says that based on the true story in the beginning of the film, they have just picked a story from real life and put their own stuffs in it. If the film in the beginning says any representation in the film is coincidental though, then you know it's actually based on true story.
Even British legends aren't safe. The TV show Merlin (2008) had a BLACK Guinevere and a real black knight...LOL. Perhaps in the next one Robin Hood will be a Caribbean woman.
@@tobygathergood4990 Merlin was not supposed to be serious.
@@questionmaker5666 It may not have been serious, but it has become a common thing for woke idiots and blacks to attempt to destroy anything British by claiming highly spurious things about the English, and making up all manner of totally untrue events to make themselves look better. Like they have actually done something laudable on the world stage. This is highly offensive!
@@tobygathergood4990 yeah we'll just ignore that black people existed in europe. In the 14th century there were literally Ethiopian knights in Italy. Literally saint morris.
@@tobygathergood4990 Merlin is a fucking mythical character my dude.
It’s quite horrifying how some people rush to defend this film. I’ve seen actual commenters saying ‘well they practiced a softer form of slavery’ and ‘they were defending their way of life’ and it’s like - to the first point Slavery is slavery is slavery. End of. To the second ‘defending a way of life’ is literally the defence used by Confederate apologists when they speak about slavers fighting in the civil war. You cannot stand there and condemn Churchill, Columbus etc citing them as colonialists and awful people and then ride out for the exact same kind of people because they have a different skin colour as the other typically talked about colonisers. It amounts to a giant level of hypocrisy and only weakens the left’s argument that they’re against colonialism in all forms.
I loved the scene were the Dahomey warriors are making their way through a field of long grass and they get picked off one by one by velociraptors. That was so intense.
My favorite scene was when General Lee was surrounded in the Battle of Appomattox Court House by the Union army, and they just started dropping one by one with arrows to the chest. Then the camera panned up and revealed Viola Davis and the Dahomey Amazons, and she said "We gon fight for our right to own slaves" and they held hands in a reference to the scene from Predator 😍
I liked the part where the main character came up on the Europeans and said "is Dahomin' time" and then Dahomed all over the Euros.
We need Dahomey 2: Dark Lighting
This thread is of the nuts, I love it 😂😂
ok, this is a good one.
Did the makers of this film really think no one would ever pick up a history book?
Y'all should read some of twitter reactions to the film. I saw one where the woman basically said that she didn't care if it was historically accurate, she was just glad to see representation on the screen.
Sure, women are always desperate for self-validation, but the history still sneaks in along with the flattering portrayal.
My friend even once had a debate with me about votes. She said sorry, but she and probably most girls in our college would vote for women candidates just because women. Now i know why islam prohibited men and women working and learning on a same group, lol. The effect of feminization of everything is so strong, and not only because of women, but also because of dumb softhearted men
I agree. It's great to see Hollywood acknowledging and celebrating African nations ' involvement in the Atlantic slave trade , as the start of the slave supply chain. Without their heroic efforts slavery wouldn't have been possible.
And that is exactly the problem.
I also saw an MSNBC(i think) article on twitter that stated that this movie should be shown in schools to teach black history
I think the best "based/inspired on a true story" example is Hacksaw Ridge where they actually have to trim down actual historical event because it was too unbelievable to put to film. Of course, there are some artistic liberties here and there but those never get in conflict with the overall story of the movie.
It's a very different kind of movie, but it's the same with Pain and Gain. The true story was so bonkers that they made the movie into a dark comedy because of how ridiculous it was but even then they had to tone down some of the more ridiculous parts.
Even though Gladiator was fictional, Ridley Scott left out historically accurate things he knew the audience wouldn't believe.
For example, some Gladiators had sponsors almost like NASCAR drivers, and may have carried banners into the arena as advertisements.
@@kingetzel2755 overall Gladiators depending on the time period where almost like modern day fighters in some ways. They weren't always fighting to the death,and they were handsomely rewarded for their fights (in some time periods ,in others they were slaves fighting to the death though).
My biggest issue with the movie (HR) aside from the liberties, is the CGI. Jesus Christ, what a horrible spectable of dark comedy and terrible CGI it was.
I remember one incredible story from the true events being that a Japanese sniper tried 3 separate times to shoot Desmond Doss but his rifle jammed each time. Nobody would have bought that being in the movie despite being true (the sniper survived the war and confirmed it himself).
Calling this movie based on true events is like calling Dr. Kevorkian a sleep specialist.
Or Dr. Mengele pediatrician and philanthropist.
Eternal sleep.
But nobody complains about 300 being historically inaccurate
@@audaciousjones Plenty people did when it released. Many professional critics held it against the film, unreliable narrator character or no.
None of His patients have stirred from their sleep even for a moment and never will.
I was actually interested in watching this movie. The concept is really cool. Especially when I saw it was based on true events. And then about 2 days later I found out what the true events were and instantly I could not stand this film
"based on true events" does not mean 100% accurate. I dont understand why people dont understand that
I only managed to watch it for 9 minutes before realising it was woke rubbish.
If you want to watch a "based on a true story/inspired by real events" movie that's pretty faithful to the actual story (I read the autobiographical book and the author literally says he's happy with the movie), then watch October Sky. One of my absolutely favorite movies and a testament to the power of passion, determination and intelligence. And the soundtrack is just beautiful.
*Fun Fact: The title October Sky is an anagram of the book title, Rocket Boys, in order to avoid confusion with the movie Rocket Man.*
Great movie
I love that movie.
You just unlocked a memory in my brain that I forgot I had. I loved the movie and the book as a kid. I read the book twice in middle school and watched the movie countless times. They were both very inspiring to me at the time. It's one of the few drama movies (I prefer psychological thrillers and horrors these days) that I like.
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was based on the true story of Ed Gein. Who was never in Texas and never used a chainsaw.
😂
Yup
the only part about him they pulled in was basically the fact the guy wore skin and used it for furniture and such. Gein didnt even truly deserve the title of serial killer
It’s the same with Dracula being inspired by Vlad the Impaler. I don’t think he was a vampire
Yes... but Leatherface isn't depicted as the hero, is he?
There is a channel, History Buffs, that looks at period movies from how accurate they are to history. He doesn't post new videos often, so I doubt he'll get to this one, but it's and interesting watch.
He's even taken a fictional movie like, Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World and noted how it accurately portrayed life on a British ship during that era.
I love Nick's takes. He gets about 10 seconds into Braveheart before going nuts!
Yeah I doubt he'll tackle this one. While he doesn't strike me as exactly Woke, I think he might be biased against this movie.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 I think he’ll avoid this one. Can’t say I blame him it’ll cause to much political backlash even if it’s stupid. Which is a shame cause I really enjoy his reviews.
I lost respect for him when he did a review on a movie about a woman in the third century many (as well as the film) claim was a scientist when she was nothing of the sort. He utterly butchered the history almost as badly as the film did, showed his own biases to the point I refuse to watch anything else he produces and question his accuracy of what I have watched.
He got a special hatred for Mel Gibson films though lol
Hollywood has always rewritten history, especially when it comes to their portrayal of native and African Americans.
It's just that now they're rewriting it in a way that makes black people look cool, instead of trying to justify American genocide. Which is why people are upset
"He who controls the past controls the future." George Orwell
"He who controls the spice, controls the universe!" - Frank Herbert
Very nice analysis and breakdown. I am from Nigeria and from the Yoruba tribe of the Oyo people; also I studied history as a first degree. The Agoji did exist and at a point in their history, the Dahomey did switch from slave trade to oil palm trade but if my memory serves me right, they didn't end slavery. The reason they switched to oil palm was because slavery was becoming less profitable with the British ban at the time. The head chopping thing was very correct, they were paid or promoted by the king based on the number of heads they brought back from war or raids. This encouraged frequent raids of neighbors that made them a menace in the region.
The major point i am trying to make was the side of the Oyo who fought three major wars against the Dahomey and won the last two. The final war led to almost a complete destruction of the Dahomey people.
On a final note, I see this as just entertainment and not an accurate story. However, I would like to see more movies' like this as there is so much history in West Africa to be told like the Mali, Fulani, Oyo, Kanem-Borno, Ashanti, Benin, Songhai empires (and so much more). Even just the European part of it's history is rich. Perhaps its the wave of woke culture of the West that have brought the Agoji story to the forefront but I welcome it.
Love your work even though it can be Eurocentric/Irish-centric at times.
The history of the impis of the zulu tribe was amazing. They were like the samurai and ran into battle even as machine guns were downing their warriors. That's pretty brave. Unlike the samurai, they don't get recognition from Hollywood. Any one of their troops can run fast. All day. Track anything from weeks and many miles away even elephants a hundred miles away. Remain hidden yet be constantly watching the dutch hunters even those that were experienced survivalists. It's all in many of Wilbur Smith's books which of course is cancelled.
This movie smells more of propoganda to me than entertainment. But i do agree that there is a lot of interesting history in the region and africa in general thats never been made into media (film, book, etc) that the average person outside those areas have never even heard of and would likely enjoy.
The fact that we're constantly being lied to about this here in the west is not surprising but gear grinding,
Lucky for us we got comments like yours giving us more history knowledge than any dorky history teacher in the world
He's Irish so that's natural. Any attempt not to be "centric" will tend towards inauthenticity. Of course we can go beyond our culture, not by denying or hating it, but by focusing on universal principles when that is appropriate.
Europeans made Black Africa give up slavery. Never forget that.
@@jakobinobles3263 It is natural to love one's own people first and foremost. Countless people want to destroy Whites by making us feel guilty about putting ourselves first. if one grows "tall' one can look over one's fence and appreciate the fruits that their neighbors have grown - without coveting them.
Good counter about colonialism. I counter your counter: mass immigration by non-Whites into Europe and the United States will destroy the West. You want what we have and don't care if you destroy us in the process. Perhaps you hope for just that. In any case, instead of developing your own nations and growing tall, you're choosing the easy option of robbing the now soft and degenerate West.
They definitely wanted to be the first to make a film about the Dahomey to set their narrative. Had a movie with a more accurate depiction came out first, said narrative would've been dead in the water.
Except a film did come out about Dahomey earlier
It’s called “Cobra Verde” and it’s far more realistic, and FAR better of a film. It’s got the Amazons and everything. It even has n*pples!
Entertainment stories often get inspired by actual events or info on events. One of the unplanned results of that is the fact some info no person would ever care about or know about, becomes searched, a win for them that would not have happened
He's actually right about the part people are told to be more guilty as if they were a part of it. It feels like these writers or directors skip history class or never bothered doing research.
The point in talking about slavery isn't to say white people today are guilty for slavery, it's to say that they benefited from slavery in the sense that they had many more generations to build up wealth and status to pass down nationally and personally while black people went from slavery to jim crow, to the war on poverty.
@@johnhachey9239 they forgot one thing tho, some of us didn't have it easy, like maybe Irish and German immigrants, much less ones who immigrated during or right before the World Wars which is something they never seem to understand
I don't think they care how inaccurate the story came to be on film as long as ppl like it. They'll write whatever, however they want
@@johnhachey9239 let's also forget that this benefits is so relative and that some places in Africa also benefited from the slave too. An other things: what really benefited from it was the old man and richest, in the civil war most of these "profit" were lost. How many rach people we have here who benefited from it ? An other things: if you come to that place you will also benefit of it: according to this logic more of these "profits" went more to the state than the "individuals" itself. This is not to say that these people benefited from it, but everyone benefits: you benefit of thousand of wars and slaves in order to receive your clothes, phone and etc. We, this generation benefited from thousands of blood, wars. Some people were immigrants who did not live of the slave profit and we ignore these individuals too.
But there is a conspiracy: indoctrination and manipulation, making a person feels guilty so then that person can take advantage of the vulnerability of that person. It is not explicit: "it's your fault you should feel guilty" , when you state all this and don't state: but people from now are not guilty, they should not be guilty of their stupid ancestors. But we as a human, we have a moral and the obligation to help and maybe clean this mess!" When you don't state all this, you are making a person feel guilty, it's a tactic of manipulation common used to justify greatest good or to turn you into a guilty's slave: they will use your guilty to justify atrocities and ideas.
An other things: the results are the same, you aren't saying, but you are saying it not explicitly.
It's a manipulation tactic common used by sjw: guilty: when a person becomes guilty (for something that he did or not did. Right or wrong) that person becomes vulnerable to manipulation to agendas, politics ideas and etc. This is why sjw are so obsessed with minority to the point of defending stupid ideas and attrocities in the name of greatest good: "we are bad, we must help them" they are mobs, slaves of the guilty.
I am not an American: but one thing that I realized: people don't question anything there, people with black skin can do something and people are afraid to question these individuals, cture and etc it's almost as if: they were guilty and want to solve this guilty by becoming people's pets.
There isn't enough diversity in this film. "We need this film to reflect the current world."
I wanna see an asian trans riding with these women or im going to start a revenge action on twitter with my karen friends
Sure! Just lmk What does the diversity of 19th century west Africa look like?
@@sydneybooth3646 it's doesn't matter. This is a fictional story, so just like other fictional stories, e.g. Rings of Power, it needs to look like the current world, and by current we mean large urban cities in the western world.
America writes history now, they see slavery as part of racism, and not as class system that was used in Old World (Europe-Africa-Asia) for thousand and thousands of years. There were more enslaved people by the same race than with different race in racist context if there is such.
Slavery may be class-based in a lot of cases but Chattel Slavery was a clear-cut case of racism.
Slavery _in the U.S._ was absolutely based on notions of racial hierarchy, with whites at the top and blacks at the bottom (and perhaps American Indians somewhere in between). The efforts to block black people from exercising their right to vote that lasted, in its overt form, up to the '60s should, as well as racial segregation, stand as proof enough of the racialist worldview at work. The only people who dispute this are Lost Cause historical negationists - the same people who threw up monuments to Confederate leaders generations after the war had ended as part of a greater campaign to rewrite history and absolve the slave states of guilt.
Historically, throughout the rest of the world, sure, what you're saying is true. Anyone could become a slave in most cultures - if you were defeated in battle, well, tough luck, that's how the world works; better you than me. But American slavery - actually, New World slavery in general - was not like this. A white person could be an indentured servant - a rough lot, sure, but generally a voluntary arrangement (setting aside the injustice of the socioeconomic stratification which would have led to such a decision), or else a result of punishment for a crime - but not a chattel slave. The comparison is grossly misleading and ignores nuance and context.
I love the revelation in the movie where we learn that Wakandans actually went into hiding because they were scared of becoming inslaved by The Woman King.
Why did they choose the Dahomey? Because the writers stopped paying attention at "all female warriors" and instead started screaming "YAS QWEEN".
Why did they choose the Dahomey as the "good guys"? For the exact same reason they chose George Floyd as their saint and martyr.
War is peace. Love is hate. Lies are truth. And so on, and so forth, ad infinitum.
As abouve as below
Congratulations on completely missing the point...Floyd wasn't a good guy, a neither were the idiot cops that murdered him while in custody.
Floyd is dead, and the idiot cops are out of a job and in jail...case closed.
Try harder to be less stupid...
*and neither
Just waiting for the George Floyd movie on a few years. I mean it's getting to the point where I am almost starting to like this woke crap. It's gone so far it comedic
This whole movie is the epitome of "Reality is often disappointing"
U all realize this history was written from the point of view of the colonizers, but please by all means proceed, am an African girl who is happy that for once African women are being portrayed as strong and brave which never happens, so pliz take this away from us aswell
telling da homies not to watch this
Exactly!
@@michellemirembe6057 Its alright, we'll colonize the movie for ya
@@michellemirembe6057 they are strong and brave but also slavers? That’s viewpoint that doesn’t make sense to me
it’s Fantasy genre, we all understand it’s not true. Like 300 Spartans movie, nobody criticizes its historical accuracy
Whatever you do don't learn about who owned the slave ships.
Fun fact: slave auctions were closed on Jewish holy days...
Citation needed.
The Beaver: I must build a dam.
The bird: I must fly south in winter.
The small hat tribe: I must subvert my host nation(s).
anti-whiteism is the ruling ideology of the current regime. Want to know who rules over you? Find out who it is you are not allowed to notice, not allowed to criticise, not allowed to hate.
Name checks out, fun fact: Europeans where not the first to discover zero.
All just a big massive as Cohencidence, bubbele. As big as my schnozz. Oy.
Yaa Asantewaa of Gold Coast's(Ghana) story could be used as inspired by true story.
She led the Asante Kingdom against the British when their King 👑 was arrested and exiles to the Seychelles.
She didn't win but her courage and tenacity is very much celebrate in the Kingdom to this day. Songs and Poems, books have been written about her
They could have done Queen Amina too
So what you are telling me is that it is possible for Hollywood to make a movie about a German group in the 1940’s that makes them heroic and deserves no backlash?
they could...
but considering who runs Hollywood...
The Greatest Story Never Told. Watch it and learn real history.
Well now, look who controls hollyweird (& the media, wall street, publishing, education and you'll understand the present state of the usa)
We should do that.
The movie "Valkyrie" with Tom Cruise fits that description. Well maybe not the entire German group though.