How To Play Arcade Stick Effectively, Universal (Optimal) Arcade Stick Grip + Lever Philosophy
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- I have updated this video with an abridged version for those who want to get straight into the method* • How To Play Arcade Sti...
I've created this video to demonstrate what I (and many Tekken players) believe to be the optimal method of using arcade stick. I played the stick with an untrained grip for three years, but once I needed to learn more complex inputs (like Korean Backdash), I discovered this style which I think is universal across all games, not just specifically Tekken. It's just common among Tekken players because of Tekken's high demand inputs.
I strongly encourage all shmup players to check this style out and at least give it a try for a while. I think a properly trained method of playing arcade stick will really cut down on frustration and adjustment time for new stick players
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* I have updated this video with an abridged version for those who want to get straight into the method* ruclips.net/video/e4GRorWPbSc/видео.html
Starts at 7:30
Im over 40s, got artritis on both thumbs due to be a drummer and a pharmacist.
I was always a pad controler player, but my age is making it worse. Will buy an arcade stick sooner than I thought. Thanks very much for this tutorial!
This just made learning arcade stick significantly easier for me and just made me more consistent overall. Thanks for reducing the pain of learning stick by a lot. Wish I found this vid a year ago when it was released!
I'm really glad to hear that!!!! Yes I think this info is really important.
How's your progress now,
A year later?
Really useful!
The transition from pad to stick is tough, the thing I've struggled with the most is a stick grip that's both comfortable and effective for Tekken.
Slowly starting to get the hang of it and this really helped break down the movements.
I was practicing my stick for a good hour, struggling getting inputs down and thinking i just needed to keep at it. I randomly found this video to see if maybe my grip was off.
I tried this and immediately the moves were coming out immensely easier. Like holy shit. Thank you
I'm really glad to hear that!!!
I had soo much trouble with inputs...This helped a little...Im sure with practice this will help out a ton because i got foundation with this video ! Soo thank you!
This reignited my interest in learning to play the arcade
Glad to help!!
7:38 to skip all the "let's get into it" bait.
A bit of a harsh description of the beginning of the video ha. Thanks for watching though.
@@TheElectricUnderground nope that's exactly what I was thinking 5 mins in
Hey douchbags. Why dont you stop complaining. Shut the fuck up for one second and listen? If you dont like it leave.
@@lukelaser5397 how ironic
Luke Steele you seem like the only douchebag here dude
Thank you I've been struggling for years to do inputs consistently. This has immediately changed the way I play.
I do use these hand motions and find them optimal like you say. Clutching it inhibits the aspects typically crucial for quick movement, such as the speed, like you said. I forced myself into these movements by using a bat top. For King of Fighters this felt rather awkward, but after getting used to it, I switched back to a balltop and everything comes out very smooth. I would say that a balltop is preferable to that of a bat top for a game requiring circular movements.
Man this is informative. I have always wine gripped and thought that was the way to use the ball top. I got back into SF5 since 6 is coming out next year and I'm going to try the full hand technique that you have recommended and see if it helps me out. Thanks for such an informative video. :)
Instant air dash is a struggle, this helped with that, I just need to practice...so much practice...god damned IAD... T^T
Yeah I know what you mean!! I still practice it a lot too
If I had seen this video 25 years ago, I would never have given up on learning how to use an arcade stick. I'm having a blast learning one now though. Thanks!
Thank you so much for making this! Was really confused learning Tekken on a stick and couldn’t find a lot of info online about this. Cheers :))
WE WANT THE WEIRD JOKES!!!!!!!
My very first sticks coming this Thursday I can't wait.
Ty very much my friend. Came in very handy. Was getting real intimidated by having to get used to the grip but the technique makes it totally possible. I see the potential. Gonna practice more on my stick more now.
Thank you so much! This helped! I’m definitely gonna practice the open grip and maybe wine grip
Awesome! Glad it helped :-)
Thank you, this video was very helpful. I have been playing with stick for over a year now and have adopted the wine grip naturally. For the most part I have been playing Tekken casually and never been able to execute the korean back dash but still it never motivated me to rethink in changing my method to improve until I started playing other fighting game with more execution like SF, MK, KI which forced me to adjust my gripping since I had difficulties performing commands from the left side. In a nutshell, by applying your recommend technique has instantly help me improve in the execution tremendously.
Stellar video man! Enjoyed this from start to finish!
Hey thanks! It was my first time buying an arcade stick. I HATED fighting games- cuz I was bad at them and I kept getting beat! So I decided to buy a arcade stick and begin training! So this helps me have good habits from the get go. So, thanks!
Man, Im 35 and I have never known about this stick culture. I have a lot of research to do. I was looking into sticks for the new esparade psi release and I feel like I have a lot of work to do...
Yeah there are a ton of options! I'm going to make an arcade stick guide pretty soon though :-D
@@TheElectricUnderground do you think iL parts are good? Do they have gates?
@Reflected how did your stick learning go a year later? I've had one for a couple of years and keep going back to pad :/ I'm really trying to "stick" it out this time haha. Kbd on p2 is killing me still.
@Reflected Thats good to hear mate! The play stlye is definitely diffrent on stick vs pad. I feel stick can be more flowing for qfc movements and such. Im having fun with it it but still if I need to play my best ill have to use pad atm lol
@@genesishandboards
How are you KBDing on P2 side?
B,db,b or b, qcb?
The speeds you can achieve using the B,db,b goes beyond the point of not covering any distance
Fantastic! Got a Hori Rap 3 and upgraded to a Seimitsu lever. Only a week in, but I am getting better every day and my muscle memory is building up!
Thanks for the tutorial, this video help me to get in use with my stick. Helpful and thank you!
Wow, glad I just subscribed. I never knew about these techniques. I've been struggling with some SFV inputs MK11 inputs. I've been gripping the stick and having issues. I'll try to convert to this method. Thanks!
I'm really happy to help :-D
@@TheElectricUnderground Tried it. Got farther in one shmup that I ever have on one coin and beat someone up in SFV finally executing consistently. Thanks!
1:15 - that wooden SNES stick 😍
That was really more of a half winegrip, there's a video of a ketsui superplayer at Stunfest using full winegrip, for reference.
That's good to know! Here's the video for those who are interested: ruclips.net/video/0w6m9SE0ikY/видео.html
Wow man thank you very much i feel a looot better like this!! :D my only problem was the air dash in general but now i feel that i just need to practice more with this grip it feels much much better this way
holy crap, I just very easily got halfway through dodonpachi without losing a continue, on level 3 i finally died though, Thanks for the tip!
Hell yeah!!!
good vid, i couldnt figure out how to comfortably push up and this helped me out a lot
Thanks my dude! Glad to help!
@@TheElectricUnderground for real, this is great stuff. I've had a stick for a while but never really stuck with fighting games and it always felt so alien to me. But now I'm trying to really learn tekken and after watching this the stick feels just feels great. i have some shitty cheap ps3 stick but i can still do what i want to do. for real great job with this vid
And for any of you new comers out there struggling to learn on stick, remember: practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect, or at least close to it. So don't get all OCD about being perfect either, have fun with it. Just try to be as precise and slow as you can, even when not playing fighting games, practice the motions on your stick when watching TV or videos or something. Another thing is, MOST PEOPLE take 2-4 months to even get decent on stick believe it or not, if someone tells you it only took them a week, they're lying, or they're not as good as they think they are in terms of execution. It takes even longer if you're playing on a shitty knock off stick too, so make sure you get a good entry stick. Many people give up on stick too early, or they think they're " talentless " but I assure you, it took most people awhile to get used to, but once you get used to it you'll never go back to pad. The only time it might be easier is if you're already a GOOD (keyword: good) pad player who is now moving to stick, cause you already have the coordination and conceptual understanding of execution and combo theory, you're just using a different instrument now. But if you are new to FG's completely you will struggle the first month because you are not only bad at FG's but bad on fight stick. I find practicing half circles helps alot, especially KOF motions like QCF into half circle back, vice versa. Even practice moving 360, you just wanna get good a good feel for the stick and the gate. (don't ride the gate too much though, it will slow down your motions, its just there to guide you, not baby you)
Great comment and advice! Yeah it defintely takes some time for your muscles and neurons to build the natural reflexes, it s not an overnight thing.
Thanks mate :)
100% true statement. It took me about 2 months to start getting decent. I'm pretty good at it now but I still miss inputs from time to time. It's the nature of the beast lol. But overall I have learned It fairly well. I'll never forget back to pad.
@Ari Jappendi stfu he is just giving a motivation you dumb fuck , don't cry with your dpad idiot
Dude, thanks for the heads up. I just got my first stick after playing fgs on pads for a couple of years. And even after 2 weeks of multiple hours of practice every day my footsies are still non-existent. I'm not even talking about tekken's advanced techs like KBD or iWR - sometimes i can't even double tap back without jumping.
So I guess, I'll need A LOT of practice. See you in september, ranked mode...
19:37 There is one popular style in Japan that's close to your style that solves that makes the up direction really natural. So close to your style but the middle finger is bent so the side of your middle finger rests just right below the center line of the ball top (the side of your finger that's right after he first joint from the direction of your nail)
When your middle finger is there, your index finger rests right above the up direction and the thumb rests exactly on the right.
The idea / benefit is that it's really easy to hit all main directions when one finger only needs to worry about one direction and it's easier to detect the neutral of the stick in shmups because it's always easy to hit exactly right, left, down and up. Up direction is also really clear because the middle finger and thumb are perfectly positioned so they sort of form a V shape that leads the direction exactly to the center of the up direction when you press the up direction with both fingers.
I don't know if i could even explain it well enough without showing it and i'm not claiming it's superior even if it's my favorite way because i personally feel it's the most accurate but wanted to share it because that's what i saw often and that's what i learned on when i lived in Japan in the 90's.
I'll record a short clip on my @ArcadedB twitter account so you can see it visually.
Oh that s really cool! Yeah I d love to see what it looks like
@@TheElectricUnderground The big difference to many other styles is that your palm isn't behind tekken wavedashing movements for example but the feeling of control is similar to me.
The only thing to note is that when backdashing or wavedashing to the left the fingers should be deep enough so there is sufficient surface touching the ball top because shmups can be also played using the fingertips of the thumb and index finger because the ball top stays in control easily but during fighting games i move my hands deeper for more surface area and control during backdashing and electrics.
I play Tekken with the Seimitsu LSX-NOBI-STD with a ball top attached and the shaft is taller so my middle finger touches above the first joint but it makes zero difference in terms of gameplay.
So it's also a style that fits any shaft height from the LS-62, LS-32, JLF, LS-40, Nobi with a ball top. So when i switch sticks i don't feel any difference in usability because the only thing i change basically is the angle of my palm and the control is the same no matter what angle the palm is at.
I like an LS-32 length shaft for shmups because it's easy to rotate in accurate motions/circles and a longer shaft like an LS-40 or the Nobi for tekken because with a longer the shaft the more leverage.
This may not be for everyone and i haven't seen anyone win EVO with it yet and it's largely unknown but it's the most comfortable for me.
@@arcadedbeast do you keep your thumb (resting to the right), your middle finger (bent and resting on the lower half of the ball) and your index finger (resting on top) at all times? I'm asking because the grip that you suggested seems to help me a lot to feel the directions, including diagonals. Another thing, when you say "backdashing or wavedashing to the left", do you mean that you cover more surface with your fingers when you're on P1 side?
@@CrunkyChicken That’s what i mean yeah. I have personally switched to a traditional grip on fighting games but sometimes use this for shooters
See's how he explains Korean Backdash. Remembers that i play a character with a back sway. Gets sad
Thanks for sharing your insights on stick usage here. While arcade stick is my favorite in many types of games, sometimes I find the best is a decent gamepad. Really depends on the genre/game. For a puzzle game I wouldnt want to use a stick, for instance. A modern 8 way d-pad game like tony hawk could be played on an arcade stick, but I also think it would be inferior to pad for long sessions and scoring. It's all about picking the right weapon, IMO. I put a lot of effort into that when learning a game, finding the right controller. Sometimes its a trusty 'ol Saturn, SNES or PSX pad.. other times (and often!) it's an arcade stick.
Awesome we have so many great options nowadays too, and devices to help you not have to rebuy new controllers for every platform, like RetroPad32, etc. Never been a better time to be a gamer, and taking that extra bit of time to get the feel "right", has never been easier. Cheers
thanks! i was deciding between sanwa and seimitsu. i already have a hori and sanwa so imma try seimitsu next ✌🏻
Yes i like seimistu better, just be sure to get a 5lb spring for it if you can.
Wow, this video helped me a ton, thanks man
The two camps are called Happ vs Sanwa (and other companies make them), but it's about more than Bat handle vs Ball top, as you show. When triggering a movement, you want the microswitch (or blade switch, but that's buttons) to be as close as possible to triggering without triggering. With shallow fighting sticks you can't do that - the "keytravel" is too far (and this and the sticks being "loose" also results in the stick wobbling after letting go, which can actually cause mistriggers if you attempt to make the tighter). Because the travel is too far is why you see top players timing slaps at the (usually balltop) stick. They want to close the gap quicker. Probably you think that the Bat handle is better because it's taller, so by moving the tallest part, it can close the gap quicker.
On the Happ camp, joysticks are deeper, which means they have a longer part of the stick below the panel surface before it reaches the microswitches (always with blades), and none of them are as short as the ball tops. This both means that the longer stick makes you close the gap quicker, and standard arcade cabinet sticks are tighter, and with no wobble. They can be played with great precision. The original cabinets of Street Fighter I and II used Happ controls.
nice video full of info! your grip looks good, but the method i use is placing hand at a comfy spot beside stick, then do 2 fingers under, 2 above , and thumb on right side. this method gives good coverage of directions, makes doing specials and supers so easy.
Wine grip definitely does have some different aspects from normal grip. I like it because it's less dependant on your thumb
thanks bro this helps a lot and even with a few hours practice im better now with an arcade stick, combo execution still sucks :D but my basics are getting a boost
That s great! Yeah learning the hand movement helps a lot!
How are you doin with the combos now ?
@@SalahKoF-AFL combos and overall execution is all good now still suck at reacting to throws or unexpected power crushes but thats on me
@@seryux4788 that video is 3 years old is it really that hard ?
@@SalahKoF-AFL for someone who was new to arcade controls and taking fighting games "serious" indeed
thanks for thee techs. I'm pulling my hair out trying some moves. I was using the monkey grip for sure. I love it.
Some elitism is needed, not the toxic gatekeeping one but the invested and passionate one. Thx for the tips will get a stick soon and think the tips will help learn it easier
Always struggled with forward jump especially in dragonball just can’t seem to get used to it lol
Did this help you?
Shadowシャドー not really, starting to think it’s a me problem, gonna look into getting a hitbox honestly
Maysa ah ok gl with that
@@brendzz3832 dragon ball fighterz is a hard game to start with i had the same problem when i got a stick trying to play dbfz. alot is going on in that game. i reccomend starting with street fighter to get comfortable with movements and inputs cause its pretty simple. and then try dbfz again it was a lot easier the second time for me and also change the button settings i have assist 1 as r1, assist2 as r2, spark as l1 and super dash as l2
Legit having the same issue but for tekken. Up forward is the one move I seriously keep missing. I fkin main brain too lmao
This video is good for beginner!
I am just thinking to learn it.
Thank you!! I just playing fight games again and I was playing like I was 13 again. This was so helpful!!!! Thank you!!
you;re doing gods work son
Thank you my dude!!
I love the picture of Wolf from a fox in space!
hell yeah! shame the show got cancelled
Just ordered a sanwa denshi stick and sanwa buttons can't wait for Thursday now so I can install those bad boys.
I'm A Control Pad Guy. But, Having A Second Opinion On Arcade Stick Controller, Is Also, Challenging, Yet Amazing.
Need another video for buttons with the right hand lol
Useful information bruh thanks
Bruh....you just went through 3000 clicks on the life of your microswitches of that lever. I salute your sacrifice!
I’m 15 year old Mishima player I’m glad to use a stick in young age so I can develop my skills so quick anyways thanks for guide really helpful
I think using a battop is better for persons with big hands. Sometimes I have the feeling that the stick with balltop is "to short" (or my hand is to large), so I want to try out to use a battop.
Thanks for the video; really nice explaining and demonstration :)
I am a BlazBlue (BB) player and I switched from PS4 pad to the arcade stick due to the stress it causes on my thumb to bend/flex it to input "left" or "down".
But after trying for over 1 year adapting to the balltop of the arcade stick, I just realized I really can't xP Inputting "left, left, down+left" (to do for example a dash into low attack in BB in P2 side) is really hard, specially due to the time it takes to let go of "left" to go to neutral and be able to input "left" again. Very often, I ended up just getting stuck on the edge of the "left" input due to feeling the need to do it fast enough to combo in BB (so I would end up with "left, down+left", skipping entirely the second "left" input I wanted to do). Either that, or I would input "left, down, down+left" (thus doing DP instead of dash into low attack) because inputting something other than "left" is so much easier...
I tried many different grips, but whenever I found one that allowed fast and precise "left" consecutive inputs, I was just stressing so hard my forearm tendons that I ended up with a tendinitis.
In the end, I switched the PS configuration to allow moving with the attack buttons, and now I can play BB again. But I never felt satisfied with the fact that I found no solution whatsoever to my balltop movement problem. So I still try sometimes one or two techniques to input "left", but to no avail.
This denies me the possibility of playing other Fighting Games which require more attack buttons, forcing me to use the balltop to move.
Idk if someone has the same problem or knows possible solutions for the balltop movement problem I have.
Try his way of left left with the "pull" or "thumb pressing left" then using the middle of the fingers pressing to downleft. (Look at how he does 214, the "1" he pushes with the middle of his fingers towards 1) So you're sort of dancing with thumb and middle of fingers.
That stick at 3:13 though... Funny AF
Tiger knee and Sho-ryu-ken will always be a struggle for me even on a joy-stick I always punch first and then it is just hoping on a Sho-ryu-ken but mostly a hadoken comes out or a tiger fire.
Found this video to finally learn how to use my stick after realizing that my poor left thumb was not going to be able to handle all the movement in Tekken lol
Yeah ha pad is really fatiguing on the thumb!
I use the stick like this naturally - I'm old and played arcade games in the 80s with sticks - maybe that's why. :) I'm a bit different I use the gap between thumb and point finger to nudge up. I'm not a fighting game player but I can see how the discipline helps with those quarter and semi-circle moves. Would be interesting to see how elite level TGM players hold the stick.
Yeah it would!
welp this video showed me how to hold my stick then i got yeeted to another one who so happened to talk about hit stun and now i can play kof ten times better LMFAO the new video was great but i honestly loved this one more thank you !
No problem!!! I m really happy it helped!
I didn't realize the Korean sticks were similar to US sticks with the levered Cherry switches.
I will say, as someone who used to maintain some US Arcade cabinets in the late 90s, the problem I have with the levered cherries is that the lever can get slightly bent after continuous use and you have to straighten the levers and sometimes you don't get all the switches the same and it can mess with the feel.
That said, I also realize why I liked US sticks for so long: I don't love the gates of a Sanwa/JLF style.
Learning stick is becoming the most frustrating and rewarding thing I've done in a while.
No Universal solution, the angle you grip your stick changes depending on what type of stick it is, what case its sitting in, the depth it is mounted in that case and what angle that case or arcade cabinet decided to put the lever and even how your sitting or if the stick is in your lap or on a table and the height of that table, and all those variables changes completely bat vs ball and that's without factoring the tension of the stick. You have to treat a crappy un modded sanwa JLF completely diff from a Happ \IL even if the sanwa is using a bat-top as the SANWA sticks bat-top is meant for tiny hands where the HAPP\IL is meant for large. Sometimes while your playing you even need 2 diff grip styles and have to swap on the fly depending on what your doing and how hybridized the character is.
Wineglass is layed down with back of hand on the panel, you must be thinking of something else. I do actual wineglass incorporating thumb, will eventually adapt that Brazilian research paper of a breakdown on it. I consider that way more efficient however they way you are showing is what I used to use and the best way to approach playing with the the hand upright.
You should play Twin Eagle II or Skull Fang. Both have "command moves" for offensive and defensive actions.
i think ur wrong about the hori stick, i have one called fighting edge. it has the same sounds as yours, so i believe this version of the hori stick has those steel levers you were talking about in the start of the video. Also i use the "wine grip", it just feels comfortable and classy lol. I think thats very much personal preference.
18:06 I agree 100%
I feel like newer fighting games makes it easier for pad but if you were to play an older game it would be a lot more difficult and less efficient than a stick
Yep!
I've been using winegrip for years. I find my thumb is better placed for left and up, which can get awkward otherwise.
Yeah that is a bit of an awkward input normally, or even just a straight up input can be funky at times, like side-step up in tekken.
I'm 22 and live in a smaller city so I haven't played arcade machines in the 1990s like my coworkers. I built a crude arcade stick with an IL Eurostick. IL is the manufacturer of Happ parts in the 1990s. Anything that says Happ is not the same as the 90s levers. First impressions: these levers are stiff as all hell. I'd recommend anything else to most people as it's taller, bulkier, and springs back to center harshly. It's weird to me but the first stick I built was a Sanwa so I have to get used to.
You're the only other person who has ever mentioned this manufacturer. How is the Eurojoystick for King of Fighters?
The weird thing is that works in the American style of the '80s philosophy where the tug is supposed to be tactile feedback of finding center to prevent false diagonals. In Street Fighter 2, joystick accuracy is more important than joystick quickness.
In Street Fighter 4 you gained joystick leniency but in the process you lose button timing accuracy. If Street Fighter 2 you could feel your way through some minor combos plus topping your combos with a special is just as tough in SF2 as a 5 plus hit combo in more modern games. It's just a different kind of tough.
I frequently get the "Wrong Button Blues on first person shooters when I mix up the axes too much. And in third person adventure games I'm used to the Mario camera system of controlling Lakitu cam and very few games offer that anymore, even some Nintendo-made games don't offer that anymore. Most dual stick games let you flip the y-axis but not the x-axis. Even the Microsoft joystick operating system remapping app won't let you flip either x axis or the left stick y axis for fighter pilot games.
I will say, switched to stick a while ago (years ago, but I rarely play fighting games for long periods of time so it's not like I've been practicing on stick for YEARS even though I kind have been) and I was using the wine grip(the stick was in between my middle and ring finger), but I wasn't really using my thumb to move the stick, more using my fingers. I was used to it, so commands came out, but certain things were harder than I think they needed to be, ESPECIALLY anything on the left side (like P2 fire balls or DPs for example). My fingers would restrict the left side of the stick movement I think. Using your grip seems a lot more functional, even though I have to relearn some stuff over again maybe.
I will say one thing. Defense is a LOT LOT LOT harder on stick than it is on pad. I've never gotten over my weakness for blocking crossups on stick. On pad you just switch your button but on stick it's so much more of a commitment. Also fuzzies (and things like chicken blocking) are a LOT easier on pad. Back when I was a pad player, I wasn't good or anything, but if I wanted to block I was BLOCKING, like EVERYTHING (though I was a masher so, I got punished a ton anyways of course). So easy to react on pad, where as on stick you kind of have to predict where you'll need to block and get ready to do it. I would say that's a benefit to pad players. Even if you get really good at blocking on stick, I feel like you'd be even BETTER on pad, almost no matter what. That's just my opinion though.
One thing that really helps improve blocking on stick is using a shorter throw lever :-) ruclips.net/video/jgjfkZ2rUQ4/видео.html
I end up with my Pinky under the ball and doing the same motions. except I use the joint of my thumb + my pinky for up. Mostly because I have really thick hands so if I don't have my pinky under I can't it my middle finger on the ball top for the left input.
Bro I had a ridiculous idea for a DoDonPachi arcade stick: mount a MiSTer *inside* the enclosure. Two Neutrik ports: one for HDMI, one for power. Maybe even one for VGA.
With the right artwork, I feel like that could be sick.
I have a cheap stick, and have some trouble micro moving. My ship always goes a bit to much to the side. Will check my techniek
I actually cared to disagree. The first major flaw I see is that it's a left-handed joystick and to a right-handed person on a game like Street Fighter 2 where precise stick movements are important, (in other words hitting Cardinals when intending to hit Cardinals and not hitting false diagonals) than speed of input, and just like a TV quiz show being fast and wrong is worse than being right and slow.
Also the manufacturer of stick is important. The American style stick is way more accurate to way more people I know (admittedly all American) than the Japanese style stick is. The heavy snapback and constantly holding on to the joystick is a tool to help you feel whether you're hitting a cardinal or diagonal. If you're trying to hit pure right and you feel a slight vertical tug either way you could compensate before it actuates by tactile pressure reactions. People say short throws, that's only good in the Japanese style. In the American manufacture the long throws are good. The shorter the throw the more likely you are to give a false diagonal.
I'm not saying what you're saying about Japanese sticks is wrong it just said it's counterintuitive to the American style joystick.
And it also depends on what game you're playing. Street Fighter 2 is a fighting game where a false diagonal can ruin your gameplay. However they made joystick input so easy that both a baby and a 100 year old person could both do it. And it also hurts the American style that future Street Fighters make basic attacks hurt almost just as much as specials.
Hey thanks for the video. I was wondering if you thought 4 way or 8 way gate is recommended for new stick users?
The whole ''use what you want to'' or ''are comfortable with'' is still important though because... let's say you don't like using stick... well... then you won't be playing your game ;p Having said that. Controllers for third person action games and certain platformers. Mouse and keyboard for shooters and RTS and MMOs. Arcade stick for arcade games, many fighters etc (some can use hitbox or keyboard as well). Steering wheels for racing sims and joysticks for flying games. Those are my favs.
Kbd isn't b, qcb b. It's bb, d/b, bb
I have the bad habit of monkey grip the stick when doing specials in street fighter 6, slowly getting rid of it. I also ride the gate way too much. It takes practice and patience to get the muscle memory for it.
I started to play with stick about a month ago with a Neo Geo ASP, and it's quite tough to get into it. Altrough I'm already good enough to beat some old games like SF Alpha 2 and Fatal Fury Special on default setting with one cc, I still have problems to execute certain movements (dash-to-DP motions in fast games like Vampire Savior 2 with Demitri f.e.) and sometimes I miss the timing when it comes to cancels, combos and other very quick and exact inputs. It just takes some time to build up muscle memory I guess (I hope for it!). Excuse my bad English, greets from Austria 🇦🇹
Thanks vid helped alot. Any tip on hitting super jump diagonal more consistently on sqaure gate?
yes actually! You can flick your wrist in a certain way to get nice clean super jumps, so I would say instead of focusing on the individual inputs, instead focus on the entire wrist flick motion as a whole.
I really want to bat top but... WINE GRIP WITH BALL TOP IS LIFE !!!
Ha nice! I think I'll learn ball top wine grip sometime, it does look really swaggy and cool (a very important criteria for me ;-)
@@TheElectricUnderground It also can makes up/down and diagonals + S trajectories easier, it's only really essential for games with graze/buzz mechanics, anything else is pure swag 😂😂😂
Any other ways to get the up input consistently? I have long ass thumbs and it’s hard to do up inputs with just my thumb
Yes in that case extend your thumb a little and then raise your wrist upward :-)
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I never looked up how to use a stick, I just learnt it myself intuitively.
Clicked on this video to see if there are any things I could improve.
Suprisingly I am doing everything you showed exactly the same
Wine grip just comes naturally to me good to know I look cool too lol
I nestle the stick between my pinkie and my ring finger - have been holding a stick like that since about 1992 and I guess it just stuck.
i use a korean stick. would really like an in depth video on them! i cant for the life of me KBD.
I would love a Korean backlash tutorial from you brother
I think I'll do one!
@@TheElectricUnderground Still has yet to do one😏
Korean backlash... Is this codeword for a hwoarang guide?
just played my first match of Tekken with my first stick. Trying to side step up turned into me jumping awkwardly over and over LOL. Gonna have a lot of fun trying to learn the thing. Thanks for this guide, man.
Yeah gotta get that nice crisp up input or you ll jump, been there many times myself
Any videos of how you play nowadays? :)
I got a better chance winning the lottery than learning how to play a arcade stick
Back dragon punch is a nightmare for me.
Oh yeah that one takes some time, start practicing it as one hand movement, that will help :-)
and the buttons don't take learning but the stick does
great video, helped me alot in tekken. but do you have the links to those insane clips at the end?
I'll have to see if I can dig them up!
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the main problem of all these products is that they are unconfortable for people with wide shoulders and/or big hands. Most of the buyers are adults
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wine grip is more of a comfort/stability thing. I keep slipping up with my thumb if my hand isn't constantly touching the stick. that or i hold the base of the stick like a claw/pencil.
I've tried both the Seimitsu the LS-56 with Kowal short throw mod and the LS-38 and i still go back to my JLFs with 2lb spring and Kowal oversized actuator for Shmups. I'm still planning on testing a Korean stick as well but I'm guessing i will still go back to my modded JLFs in the end.
Yeah I know where you are coming from. One thing that I forget to mention in the video is that, in my experience, the stock springs in the seimitsu sticks are too light for my taste, and what I had to do is buy an extra spring and then cut it in half and add it in for some extra tension. Many people I talk to also prefer the feel of the sanwa sticks over Seimitsu or k stick, so you're definitely not alone there. Sanwa is a solid control option so hopefully it didn't seem like I was throwing too much shade at it in the vid ha.
As far as K stick goes, very very few people make the transition from j stick to k stick, all my friends who try mine are always like "nah" so just a word of warning ha. In general, I think any transition from one stick type to another is going to be uncomfortable, but I do think it's worth while to try stuff out :-)
The crown MJ stick (which mounts in JPN plates) is a great transition lever and probably will feel more comfortable at first than a fanta stick.
@@TheElectricUnderground Half of the fun is trying out new levers. I have heard that the Crown 309FJ has a short throw so I'll probabIy go for that one. If You want a stiff Seimitsu i recommend trying out the LS-38 it's basically a LS-32 but with a much stronger spring (I'm guessing around 3lb) . My wrist hurt after playing for 30-40 minutes but it will probably feel lighter with a bat than with a ball top. =)
@@CarlHammarstrom YO! Thanks for the heads up my dude, that's really cool to hear :-) Let me know what you think of the k-stick when you try it out. It's a pretty weird adjustment at first, but you may really like the way the tension feels compared to the Japanese style spring tension.
Thank you this was very informative but what stick you recommend for street fighter also what do u think about 4 way restrictors?
Street fighter you can use any arcade lever, all of them will work well. I peronally love square gate and feel it is the best because it gives very clean diagonal inputs and quick cardinal inputs. :-D
Idk about that. Wavedashing for 20 seconds on stick and my wrist is broken.
Pad for free, and faster, and no pain.
at first it is exhausting ha, if you keep practicing the hand movements will become less tiring :-)
I put the stick between my pinkie and ring finger, so my pinky finger rests at the bottom.
I play a combination of 2d fighting games and beatem ups.
Thanks. This video was really informative. One thing I really wanted to know how to place your right hand like which finger/Thumb over which button. I just keep my index/middle/ring and then pull them down for kicks but I’ve heard using your thumb is better and I didn’t know how. Also, are cheap fight sticks worth it? Cuz the ones usually recommended are really expensive here. I just started playing tekken 4/5, that’s the only stuff our home PC is capable of handling, and I use my keyboard and it works just fine. I’ve heard about mixboxes and I feel like they are just keyboards? The only problem I have is multiple button presses at the same time as my keyboard is incapable of more than 3 inputs at a time. So like d/f 1+2 is not possible(if I’m writing that right) as it will not accept 2 as the last input. So I will either buy a new keyboard or a stick but I can’t decide thanks.
I put my thumb on 1k, that s what works best for me :-)
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@@TheElectricUnderground Ah, so you put your thumb on 3 right? Also thanks a lot. The other guide was also really good, unfortunately in my country, things are kinda different as there is no arcade culture here and sticks are a lot more expensive.