@@crispyexcal204 Its been great! Took a little bit of time to get used to the increase in tension coming from a jlf, but overall I really like the korean style. Don't feel like ill ever need to upgrade unless I wanted to try a sanjuks or something.
DISCLAIMER: Don't forget to get a .187 to 5 pin conversion harness so your K lever can work in a standard arcade stick focusattack.com/187-to-5-pin-conversion-harness/ Slight correction here: with Korean levers such as the 2019 Myoungshin that have a lower body made for a Korean mount you can actually just rotate the lower body. However, if your stick is compact it may not fit with the rotated lower body. Should have pointed that out in the video, my apologies. Time stamps: 0:00 Intro to K levers 4:48 Crown 309 NewHelpMe 7:52 Crown 309mj 9:44 Alpha 47c 11:25 Crown 309 Benylis 13:35 low-collar Taeyoung Fanta (Hemi) 17:25 Myoungshin Fanta (Fall 2019 model) 20:55 Alpha 49s 22:36 Fujin V3 26:04 Knee lever 28:25 Alpha N
Slight correction here: with Korean levers such as the 2019 Myoungshin that have a lower body made for a Korean mount you can actually just rotate the lower body. However, if your stick is compact it may not fit with the rotated lower body. Should have pointed that out in the video, my apologies.
Glad you liked the video and found it helpful! I don't know if I will return to making videos, and it will be a while if I do. I appreciate the support though :)
awesome! I am super glad to hear that. I hope you enjoy the Korean levers. There is a link to the Korean lever discord server in the video description if you are interested in joining!
Very well covered video I really enjoyed this style of presentation thank you and I own most of these lever along with the C tier levers. You’re comparisons were pretty accurate in my opinion also, my favorites so far is the Sanjuks V6 and the Alpha N, didn’t like the Knee but I will try swapping the switches like u mentioned. The 309mj is a definite great start as well as the Help me lever. I liked the fujin but it’s a feel you have to get used to. I didn’t gravitate to the Fanta myoungshin and yes the screws strips. I’m a Mishima Tekken player.
Glad to hear you found them accurate! I have owned every single one of the top 10 I covered but everyone takes away different things so it is nice to know someone at least in a board sense agrees with my assessment
As a mishima player do you do ewgf easily with alpha n lever ? Coz My ewgf lack of concistancy . I am new to k lever so i dont if it my bad or if it is the lever
Great video and I’m leaning towards buying the Crown New Helpme after watching it. Being it’s been 3 years since you made this top 10 list do you still pick the New Helpme as number 1?
Loved this. I got the newhelpme and I’m diggin it! Really helps me be more consistent with electrics but still have a long way to go. I’m a 2D player and only ever used sanwa jlf,jlx and hori hayabusa so this is gonna take some time.
Glad you like the NHM! It's what I use myself. I have the opposite journey since I switched to mainly playing 3rd Strike a few months ago. Learning JLF after not playing on JP levers for probably over a year was a dramatic switch for me. Still working on getting more consistent
This is a great video I recently purchased the Alpha N, but i did not like the Omron switches. Yes, they are soft and responsive, but i prefer que Gersung, the dash and backdashes are more responsive in my opinion,
I'm coming from Seimitsu and this video has been helpful, though I'm still on the fence on exactly what stick to get due to mounting. I know JLFs are more popular but one big deciding factor for me was to avoid the "boxy" feel, and I think it's because of the fact that both JLF and Seimitsu use a spring rather than a gromet, and higher tension springs for sanwa just feel awkward and I can't seem to find any for Seimitsu. My issue with the JLF is that the switches are just the buttons rather than the metal prong that sits on top. I like Seimitsu more because the prongs act as a faux square gate, and my quarter circles hardly never go through on JLF because I have to "guess" where the actuation is, and even if I feel the click, it just doesn't work, and I tend to have accidental up inputs with my Seimitsu even though it's way more accurate for me so I probably just need a longer throw, so I think a Korean lever would fit me best. My only gripe is that I have no way of trying one without buying and the fact that if I do like it, probably can't use a traditional mount K Lever on my Fighting Edge so I'd have to get a whole new setup which I can't really afford right now lmao
The Alpha levers will 100% work in a Hori Fighting Edge. I believe the low collar Crown levers will work too. Best of luck with your search. I have the Korean lever server discord linked in the description so you're free to join and ask questions there! :)
I have like 4 Crown 309-MJ-Benylis model.. and one Low collar Taeyong Fanta.. I really like my 309.. even use a quick disconnect for it.. doing DP is soo butter smooth..
The Benylis isn't bad but to me the NewHelpMe is the number one 309 model out there. The tension and starions are a really neat choice for the lever. It is all personal preference at the end of the day
Can you provide more info on the diagonal engage zone in all the lever you show in the video, btw thanks for the all the information , one of the best informative videos for the beginners like me 😊😇
if you are on discord shoot me a friend request @ GeminiRX7#6020 I can provide a photo that makes it really easy to understand. I think I will do a future video discussing some other topics in more detail. I am glad you found my video helpful! :)
low coller ive liked the alpha N the most and on my full collar prob the fujin v3.... i have the golden lever full coller and i still use the fujin more
I don't think it's a bad lever, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first. Not entirely sure where I would put it on the list. Also the body is a bit bigger than more "standard" sized levers like the 309 levers or Alpha levers so if your case doesn't have a lot of clearance (Hori Fighting Edge, Qanba Titan, etc.) then it might not fit.
Hey man great video! I had a Crown and I'm interested in trying the CDP lever now.. The CDP has that annoying deadzone like the Crown309 has? Because I didn't liked that at all. Thank you so much
the 309 has a 16mm actuator. The CDP has a 15.3mm actuator so there is more deadzone. If you want to try it out, I would just purchase the actuator by itself since you already have a Crown lever.
Hey ! Two things -I brought a 47c a while back for my first lever and arcade shock sells a version of the 47c where the bat top DOES screw off (they also sell the glued on)…just an update if anyone was looking into that one but concerned about the glued bat top - are the premium levers in C tier because they aren’t good for your first lever? Or were you saying they are C tier overall compared to other premium levers on the market?
Hi Gemini, I’m thinking of buying the NHM lever based on your and AlexNostalgix’ reviews. I want to optimize some of my dash motions in Tekken (especially instant while running stuff and fast forward dashing to back dashing). It would be my first Korean lever after having played on the Hori Hayabusa, which I felt was super loose (took forever to get back to neutral). Do you think the NewHelpMe would be a good option in my case? Should I get a few more higher tension grommets and does that help with a faster neutral? Thanks!
You can instant while running on any lever with enough practice. I do think a NHM is a great option as a general lever and nothing about it would hinder you with your movement or while running moves. With regards to grommet tension, play on the grommet that's most comfortable for you. Even on the lightest grommets, you can get 1 frame returns to neutral. You're splitting atoms at that point.
The biggest reason was the 15.3mm actuator is too small for most ppl. If you wanted a CDP I'd say go 309mj and then just get a dx bobbin + 15.3mm actuator.
focusattack.com/gersung-microswitch-pak-for-cwl-309-mj-new-helpme-kms-st30/ the only other Myoungshin bat currently available is green from IST or second hand from someone. the bat top isn't detachable from the shaft. The only dustwashers like that are black, but you could get a flat clear or custom acrylic from Focus Attack
Hey great video. You haven't talked about all Samducksa products tho. What about the 301 DX or the crazy dongpal? Unfortunately I can only get Samducksa products in the eu.
Samducksa and Crown are the same company. The 301 is generally considered not a good Korean lever. The Crazy DongPal has a smaller actuator (15.3mm) so your corners will be a bit small which is why I didn't recommend it here in this video
@@geminirx7 I've heard that the crazy dongpal isn't a good lever but the 301 DX doesn't seem unpopular. It has a nice clear ball top and A3 switches. The only downside is it's quite big for an korean lever and doesn't fit in some cases. Also it has a covered shaft which doesn't look good with the clear bat top. So it's 50 bucks plus 30 bugs for a qr shaft just for the looks.
@@CoolDima09 The Crazy DongPal not a bad lever per say, it is just directed at people who play Mishimas in Tekken. If you are not a Mishima player then it probably won't suit you. Even if you are a Mishima player, you may dislike it. The 301 was made for Street Fighter, and is generally considered overpriced. If you want a clear bat top, you can get a Crown DX shaft and clear bat top to use for your 309mj or whatever Crown lever you want. Also, you can remove the shaft cover if you want on the 301. Also, one last note: The 301 parts are much less compatible with other crown models. The bobbin and shaft are totally different from 303 and 309 models. You're better off spending $30 on a 309mj that also has Gersung A3 switches.
@@shiki494 This is a widely debated topic. Everyone has their own opinions. You can play Mishimas on whatever lever honestly. However, if I was to recommend one I would say the Fujin V3. That has too much throw for some people though
You can do those on any lever. The Fujin V3, IST Knee lever, and Crazy DongPal are a few of the most common levers for Mishimas. I personally like the Alpha N a lot for Mishimas.
I start tekken with old help me full colar and i was not confident with this lever than i buy CDP lever (very cheap price) and i really really like the CDP lever i think in therm of Price/Quality is one of the best K lever ever made (ChokSae main lever, ikari main lever, Boa luvb main lever etc etc) i dont know why u didnt talk about this ? And finally i get a Sanjuks V6 (very expensive) but that was my best experience also very precise very quick handling
I've been playing with a japanese lever for almost 2 years and was considering buying a korean one but most people reccomended me to just stick with it since I was still a beginner, would you suggest switching to any of these ones you listed for quarter circles motions or not? Thank you for this great video
Hey sorry for the late response I think the NewHelpMe is really good in this aspect because it has short throw for a K lever & a larger actuator. My personal 2D set up is a NHM DX w/20a grommet & 16.3mm actuator (it only comes with 16.0 & 16.2 now). However, everyone is different. I know some ppl who can't use K levers for 2D because the throw is too long for them. In my case, I only play on Korean levers now. You won't know until you try really. hope that helps!
The one with the clear bat top is the Alpha 49s. The Alpha 49s is screw on. The Alpha 47c has a black Sanwa bat top that is glued on. You can unscrew it but it will take some work to break it loose from the glue. They also have different micro switches. If you have any more questions let me know!
@@geminirx7 thanks for answering my question and the great video. I ended up just getting both a 309mj and a 47c just to see which one I like since I’m pretty new to k levers.
@@oliverblack9858 those are both great choices! feel free to join the Korean lever discord if you need any help getting things set up! discord.gg/YamTJJt
Hey man ! can you help me ? i'm n00b i need a lever for shmups that i can customize like changing tops (bullet, bat & capsule) QR shafts and changing tensions !
Hi, sorry I just saw this comment. I won't lie, I like the NHM more than the V6. I had a V6 but sold it just because I wasn't really a fan. I often play on a modded NewHelpMe. I don't think the V6 is bad, it's just not for me. There are a lot of people who would tell you that they like the V6 more and the V6 is higher quality (machined & not plastic injection mold). Just depends on what your preferences are!
@@geminirx7 thank you for your comment and no worries about it! Can you elaborate a bit on the preferences for modding your NHM? I received it about 2 weeks ago and I am pretty satisfied but looking forward to more experimentations!
@@SilverStarGG If you're happy with it stock, then don't feel like you have to mod it. For me I changed the actuator size to 15.5 (Crown Kaze actuator) but they stopped producing it sadly. I also changed the tension to 25a.
@@geminirx7 cool! I actually ordered the same actuator. What about its switches? Would you mod them as well? I know it's personal preference but I am curious to hear your opinion.
@@SilverStarGG Depending on the lever/switch spacing/actuator that can effect what switches feel best. I tend to like medium to heavy switches (Omron A6s which are 250gf iirc for example or the NHM A3s which are 180gf if I am not mistaken). I know plenty of people who love Omron A5s which are definitely softer switches at 125gf. gf = grams of force needed to activate. So yeah until you try you won't know what you like, but definitely play on what feels best for you.
I don't have a specific ranking and everything is very personal preference. I do mostly play on the NHM now when I play on K lever, but there are a lot of good options.
Question: Currently I have crown 309mj and Im curious about how knee lever neo feels since it has round square gate. Reason i ditched my hori due to gate so I am kinda worried about the gate of knee lever neo. 309mj im messing up diagonal input like u/f or b/d.
Execution will just come with practice, but you could definitely try changing levers if one would suit your preference more. The Kneeo is a bit interesting. I haven't played on one in a while but I don't really remember feeling any way about the gate. The throw of the Kneeo is longer than the 309mj. I prefer the mj just bc it's more standard and for myself it is easier to play on. The Kneeo might be for you though!
I think I’m going to try a k lever since I don’t like the boxy feel of the jlf or ls-32. I did like the metal prongs for easier switch activation on the ls-32 though. I’d like a lever that I can use for 2d anime fighters and 3d games. I don’t want actuation to be too tight, so I’m okay with a little bit of deadzone. I’d still like to be able to find my corners to iad, dp, or ewgf. Should I get the 49s, nhm, cdp, or something else? What lever would you suggest?
to this day…. no arcade stick out of the box is for tekken. etokki korean is the only one in existence and its only in south korea and doesn’t work on current consoles without a converter. Why?!!!? For 250 to 400 dollars i just want a korean lever/knee lever and decent sanwa buttons. I don’t understand why we can’t have one right out of the box??
heeey im late to the party but i got a question , why would i want a full collar , or a low collar what are the cons and pros of each? thnx for ur time and answer - fellow Tekken player with a full collar Myoingshin Fanta stick
Sorry for the late reply, but it's just preference. My understanding is Full Collar were just what got used in the old KR arcades so they've just stuck around as the design. Things are moving towards low collar just because it's easier to fit in a standard arcade stick. If you like the full collar look you can stick to it, if you don't care or prefer low collar then you're not losing anything switching to low collar.
For the different tensions on the grommet are there any reasons to go for the high tension vs the low tension? Or does it just all come down to preference ?
Not sure if you'll see this message but I've looking into Korean levers. I'm really just looking for a good base kit to tinker with. I was looking at the short collar fanta and just modding it with good parts but I'm looking for other thoughts on this before I continue.
Sorry I was MIA on this channel for a long time. I think the Crown 309 is probably the best modding base because of the variety of actuators in combination with the different switches you can use. Generally though any lever will only be compatible with others parts of the same brand/company and even if they are made by the same brand/company it doesn't mean they are compatible. Would love to hear what route you went though if you decided to pursue modding. Sorry again for the late reply
I wouldn't recommend the V6 because it's a lot of money to spend on a lever you may not like. I am also pretty NewHelpMe pilled and really think that even if you would like the V6, the NHM is really good and the V6 is not $60+ dollars better than the NHM. I don't think the V6 is bad though, just not for everyone.
Thank you! It's a little low quality but the question used to get thrown around the K lever discord a lot so I just wanted something to serve as a sufficient baseline
You have a few options. You could replace Myoung parts with ASI parts which are a bit more pricey. You could put a Knee v1 shaft in, but I'm not sure how pleasant it would be since the Knee V1 shaft is like 7.2mm and the Myoung shaft is 9mm. I would try a Fujin shaft (the rev 2 is 7.8 & the rev 3 is 8.4mm) just so the throw isn't dramatically bigger. You would probably need to grab an Alpha actuator as well (15.5mm) but you could also try the 15.3mm that comes with the Alpha N. Fujin 8.4 shaft with 15.5mm actuator would give you a little more throw and might be better for your preferences.
which of these levers would you recommend for someone who mainly plays 2D fighters? i recently got the alpha 49S and perhaps it's just my inexperience with k-levers but i'm finding it difficult to consistently hit diagonals, especially with DP motions
I would recommend two things actually. The first option would be to get Gersung A3s or NewHelpMe A3s from Focus Attack. The Omrons actuate later than Gersungs so I hated the feeling of it. If you were going to get a whole new lever then the Crown 309 NewHelpMe. The bigger the actuator the bigger the corners. The NewHelpMe has a 16.3mm actuator as well as a 16mm and 16.2. The throw is a little shorter as well.
@@geminirx7 would the 309MJ or the benylis be fine substitutes? the 309 newhelpme looks to be sold out pretty much everywhere and stock for switches seems to be low too.
@@andyee3 the 309mj is effectively a not as good version of the NewHelpMe so I would recommend that one between the two. I would also say get a 25a Crown grommet and a 35a Crown grommet and a DX bobbin.
I know Im a year late, but I use an Alpha N for Street Fighter. I never play 3D fighters. When I switched to a Korean Lever, my execution improved dramatically literally overnight. The difference was night and day.
I have thought about it. I have played on a few. Is there one you would want to see in particular? I may have played on it already and can give you my honest opinion. I may do a Knee V2 lever review, but I'm not committed to that as video editing and making sure it is a good review video is a lot of work
Do you mean the bat top? You can buy individual detachable bat tops from any of sites I have listed in the description. Assuming you're in the USA, Arcade Shock and Focus Attack would be the places I look first
In the US, I would try FocusAttack If you are in EU or Asia, IST is probably your best bet Second hand is also a good option if you're able to find one
Hey, I have noticed that the NEW Helpme has a 16 actuator. Is it a sound idea putting a 15.5 actuator in instead. What are the benefits if any at all as most players use 15.5 and below?
1. Actuator size is preference. It changes your engage and the size of your corners. Some people want big corners, other people want smaller corners. It also changes your dead zone which again is entirely preference. 2. There is a lot that goes into actuator sizing as switch spacing and throw also affect your actuator. The only 15.5mm actuator ever made for Crown levers was recently discontinued. Your best bet at this point would be getting an Alpha 49s actuator from IST or getting a delrin 15.5mm actuator from BitBang Gaming and then drilling it out to get to fit a Crown shaft. 3. Overall it would have to be something you try for yourself. I personally have a 15.5mm Kaze actuator from IST (the 15.5 Crown actuator that was discontinued) on one of my levers and I do like it but it's not everyone's preference. 4. I am also not sure if most pros use 15.5mm and below (although some definitely do) and again because of the different levers and their switch spacing that could lead to totally different results. Having a 15.5mm actuator on a Crown lever (16mm switch spacing, short throw) vs an Alpha 49s (16mm switch spacing, medium throw) vs an Alpha N (15.5mm switch spacing, medium throw) are all very different things because of the switch spacing and throw and how those work together. 5. The kind of switch you use could also change your ideal actuator size as well
@@geminirx7 I apreciate the thought going into your answer! I have in fact gotten a new helpme lever already based on your vid. (dirrectly from IST) and had a friend make me different size actuators (15.5, 15, 14.5). As Im absolutely new to Korean levers so my thought was that a smaller actuator could increase the neutral somewhat as, even though the 16 actuator size feels good, the neutral kinda feels small. I was basing the 15.5 thesis also based on your other vid. which notes the different size actuators for most korean popular players. But as you explained I also wondered about the switch spacing on the new helpme versus the pro player used levers which were fantas and other options. All in all the 15.5 with a 35 grommet feels a bit better imo than the 16 even though the difference isnt that big, but a smaller actuator was not that grate. Im guessing that ill stick with this setup untill I will get a hand on a 25 grommet, that might be a good combo with a smaller actuator for mishimas. Also, I m new to sticks in general and really apreciate your vid. After thrying a korean lever I dont think I will be going back to a Japan lever, not for tekken atleast. Unfortunatly the community around sticks and speciffically korean levers isnt huge, so your vid was a greate help. Pitty that korean levers are a hassle to get in EU (U.K isnt in EU anymore either). Importing expense is a b***h.
@@geminirx7 one more thing, havent yet fully grasped the concept of throw - my understanding is that its basically the travelling distance of the stick thus impacting the neutral size - correct?
@@antoniobanderas5316 I know a lot of Mishima players like smaller actuator sizes. Crazy Dongpal used a 15mm one. Everyone has their own preference. I hope you find one that your ideal setup!
@@antoniobanderas5316 Throw is how far you can move your shaft. If you put a 8mm or 7mm shaft in your NHM, you'd have a longer throw. Neutral is more about your actuator size in relation to switch spacing.
Whatever lever you like the most is the best one for you. I think the NHM is really good for everything though if you wanted a specific recommendation.
@@geminirx7 In the end I took it and tried it I must say that the difference is not so much the voltage that the 309mj has a very similar ST25 JLF for one at the first gun the 303DX CDP could find it strange or beautiful in my opinion and an excellent lever especially for who has already had to deal with the Korean levers
@@maestro-occulto8871 I am glad you're liking the CDP! I just have seen a lot of mixed reactions to it so I am a bit hesitant to recommend it, even though I don't think it's bad myself
Good question. I am a uni student and got really busy when filming the part 2 and ended up losing motivation. I then realized that it would be more productive if I just posted my criticism in like a post in the community tab. Then I learned that I don't have that and need like a minimum of 500 subscribers to have a community tab. It's also just not the general direction I want my channel to go as well. I am thinking of redoing this video since some things have changed since this video's release & I gotten a lot of constructive criticism
Hi, just saw this comment. Korean or American levers can be used for any fighting game as long as they're properly wired & your arcade stick works. No type of lever is better than another, it's all preference
I didn't include the Crazy Dongpal as it isn't a lever I would recommend for beginners. The 15.3mm actuator has smaller corners than someone just starting or comes from a Japanese lever would be comfortable with for most people.
Whichever lever you feel most comfortable on. You can wave dash on any of these levers without an issue as long as like you've practiced & got your wavedashing down.
I haven't tried the Shinsun lever out, but I do want to try it especially since I play a lot more 3rd Strike now. I will do my best to remember to reply once I get my hands on one. It will probably be quite a while though.
Stopped listening when you said the 309mj had medium tension. 309mj stock comes with the lowest tension ST25 grommet which is similar to a stock sanwa jlf. :/
Sorry, just saw this comment. 1. 25a is not the lowest tension for Crown levers, 20a is 2. if you go to focus attack right now, they only sell their 309mj with the 35a grommet. There are some that come with the 25a grommet but you can tell which is which by the number that comes after ST. In the screenshot I use you can see the lever is Crown CWL-309MJ-KMS-ST35 Joystick.
@@geminirx7 I am very aware that 20a is the lowest you can go. But at stock ST-25 isn't mid. Also the ST-35 isn't the stock version of a Crown lever which is very misleading since the difference between the real stock crown lever and the ST-35 variant are worlds apart in terms of tension.
@@TheControllerChronicler ST-35 is literally the stock version Focus Attack sells you right now. When I got mine long before making this video, they sent it with a 35a. I haven't seen one sold stock with a 25a in a long time. Several Crown levers sold with 35a stock (CDP, Benylis, 309k, and some places with the 309mj). I don't quite understand how you're saying it isn't stock when that's how vendors are selling it. When I do an updated & better version of this video I will be sure to include that you could get 25a or 35a depending on place. However, in this video you can clearly see that I am referring to a 309mj from Focus Attack which specifies that it has a 35a grommet.
Okay ngl I've been in that discord for a grip too and even though you keep saying switches are preference there's a lot of misinformation and bias in your description of some switches. For example people like gersung a3s but not over everything lol they are just the new cheap easy standard. They are just as inconsistent as a2s QC wise, but people who like a2s are more picky because a2 users prefer a stiffer feel while the a3 is a lot lighter and springy. While we're on the matter of a2s... I'm not sure where you're hearing this slander of the a2s but they are highly preferred by a lot of Tekken players specifically, due to those characteristics of diagonals being harder to find and the switches being stiffer(I could get into the specifics of why people actually prefer these characteristics but it's not the point of my comment). Not so much so that they'll pick a2s over the new standard of a3s but it's there. Also benylis sells out all the time from people buying up there stock JUST for the starion switches, no one buys a lever just to get a3s lmao so clearly someone likes them even if you don't know anyone who does. Again not here to hate but just trying to clear the bias in the air like you said it's all about preference so maybe explain WHY some things would be considered "widely regarded as the best" or "widely regarded as the worst" instead of just telling us that people don't like it. My only criticism of the video so far. Great work and beautiful infographic on the breakdowns of different types of levers
I appreciate the criticism. I feel like I make my bias known and state what I like and don't like. I also think I did enough work trying to be objective like when I bring up Omron A5s for example by stating I don't like soft switches but they are widely considered good. I don't recall me ever saying Gersung A3s are the best or that people prefer them over everything, although if you have a timestamp for that I will admit that I said it. I don't think I ever said someone buys a lever for Gersung A3s either, and I am pretty sure I just said they're kind of the standard and generally like because they're found on several different levers. Some of what you said in your comment confused me a bit so if I misread what you said, you're free to clarify that way we are not talking past each other. In regards to not explaining why things are best or worst, I didn't want to through too much detail in here about why things are considered the best or worst because I aimed this video at people who know nothing. The target audience of this was people who don't know where to start with Korean levers. Not to mention the video is on the longer side as is, I didn't want to overwhelm people who knew nothing about Korean levers with things they might not understand. In regards to A2s: I have had 3 sets of A2s that all had bad QC. I have had dozens of Gersung A3s with no problems. After the video I did have some people approach me saying they think I went too hard on the A2s, but before those three or four people said something, I had only heard anywhere from six to ten of my friends say that they couldn't stand them. Not to mention, if you do like A2s there is not a single reason to use A2s over Omron A5s in my opinion. The A5s have much better QC and are higher quality even if you get A2s with QC. Even the people I know who like A2s don't regard them as their favorite switch. Please don't take this is me saying you're wrong, but I'm just giving you my perspective on why I worded things the way I did or said what I said.
Haven't tried the V7. It's a lot to pay for a lever and I currently can't justify spending that kind of money at this moment. I want to try it in the future. I will say I am a big fan of the NHM, and I thought the NHM was better for me than the V6. I like the V6 and I think most would prefer the V6 over the NHM, but I don't think the V6 is $60+ better than the NHM If I get a chance to try the V7 I will do my best to make a post or reply to this comment.
I was 3 years late but this vid was super helpful thank you
Picked up a newhelpme as my first K lever thanks to this video!
How has the newhelpme been?
@@crispyexcal204 Its been great! Took a little bit of time to get used to the increase in tension coming from a jlf, but overall I really like the korean style. Don't feel like ill ever need to upgrade unless I wanted to try a sanjuks or something.
I have played Japanese lever for a long time but I'm looking to try a K-lever. Thanks for the video.
hi man . which one do you choose after all ?
Glad you liked the video!
DISCLAIMER: Don't forget to get a .187 to 5 pin conversion harness so your K lever can work in a standard arcade stick focusattack.com/187-to-5-pin-conversion-harness/
Slight correction here: with Korean levers such as the 2019 Myoungshin that have a lower body made for a Korean mount you can actually just rotate the lower body. However, if your stick is compact it may not fit with the rotated lower body. Should have pointed that out in the video, my apologies.
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro to K levers
4:48 Crown 309 NewHelpMe
7:52 Crown 309mj
9:44 Alpha 47c
11:25 Crown 309 Benylis
13:35 low-collar Taeyoung Fanta (Hemi)
17:25 Myoungshin Fanta (Fall 2019 model)
20:55 Alpha 49s
22:36 Fujin V3
26:04 Knee lever
28:25 Alpha N
Slight correction here: with Korean levers such as the 2019 Myoungshin that have a lower body made for a Korean mount you can actually just rotate the lower body. However, if your stick is compact it may not fit with the rotated lower body. Should have pointed that out in the video, my apologies.
Nice, concise and informative video, thanks!. Bought a NHM a while back and absolutely love it.
Glad you found the video helpful! I am glad you're liking the NHM! It's what I currently use myself
Right on man! keep up the good work
thank you so much!
Great video! Loving the Taeyoung Fanta and Fujin v3
This is an excellent video! Very informative
wow. what a video! Thank you so much! Hope you upload again, this is super helpful! Thank you for your contribution to the community :)
Glad you liked the video and found it helpful! I don't know if I will return to making videos, and it will be a while if I do. I appreciate the support though :)
@@geminirx7 that's fair enough. Either way it's a great video and helped me and no doubt many others :)
This is what I was looking for you broke this down in an awesome way
Awesome! I am super glad I was able to help you out!
This was a very informative video as I don't know much about modding levers thanks for this!
Solid video and very informative!
thank you so much! I am glad you found it helpful
Thanks for the video, I am trying to switch from sanwa JLF to a Korean lever and this video have helped me a lot make my decision
awesome! I am super glad to hear that. I hope you enjoy the Korean levers. There is a link to the Korean lever discord server in the video description if you are interested in joining!
Great video. I’m brand new to sticks in general so this helped alot. Thanks!
I'm very glad you found this helpful!
Thank you for making this
Very well covered video I really enjoyed this style of presentation thank you and I own most of these lever along with the C tier levers. You’re comparisons were pretty accurate in my opinion also, my favorites so far is the Sanjuks V6 and the Alpha N, didn’t like the Knee but I will try swapping the switches like u mentioned. The 309mj is a definite great start as well as the Help me lever. I liked the fujin but it’s a feel you have to get used to. I didn’t gravitate to the Fanta myoungshin and yes the screws strips. I’m a Mishima Tekken player.
Glad to hear you found them accurate! I have owned every single one of the top 10 I covered but everyone takes away different things so it is nice to know someone at least in a board sense agrees with my assessment
As a mishima player do you do ewgf easily with alpha n lever ? Coz My ewgf lack of concistancy . I am new to k lever so i dont if it my bad or if it is the lever
Great video and I’m leaning towards buying the Crown New Helpme after watching it. Being it’s been 3 years since you made this top 10 list do you still pick the New Helpme as number 1?
Great job on your first video brother! Keep up the good work! 🦊👍🏻👍🏻
That means a lot coming from you, thank you so much!
Loved this. I got the newhelpme and I’m diggin it! Really helps me be more consistent with electrics but still have a long way to go. I’m a 2D player and only ever used sanwa jlf,jlx and hori hayabusa so this is gonna take some time.
Glad you like the NHM! It's what I use myself. I have the opposite journey since I switched to mainly playing 3rd Strike a few months ago. Learning JLF after not playing on JP levers for probably over a year was a dramatic switch for me. Still working on getting more consistent
I just ordered my Fujin with the Sanjuks low collar mod.
Thanks very informative.
Very glad you found this helpful!
Would you be willing to share a link to download the document you used to help present this information?
Sorry for the late response.
Here you go: docs.google.com/document/d/1JjWw5xtPnENF05eypMSMEL0QQoGlXKeDT80bZcwbhGs/edit?usp=sharing
This is a great video
I recently purchased the Alpha N, but i did not like the Omron switches.
Yes, they are soft and responsive, but i prefer que Gersung, the dash and backdashes are more responsive in my opinion,
The ball tops Grommet! We’ve forgotten the ball tops!
I'm coming from Seimitsu and this video has been helpful, though I'm still on the fence on exactly what stick to get due to mounting. I know JLFs are more popular but one big deciding factor for me was to avoid the "boxy" feel, and I think it's because of the fact that both JLF and Seimitsu use a spring rather than a gromet, and higher tension springs for sanwa just feel awkward and I can't seem to find any for Seimitsu. My issue with the JLF is that the switches are just the buttons rather than the metal prong that sits on top. I like Seimitsu more because the prongs act as a faux square gate, and my quarter circles hardly never go through on JLF because I have to "guess" where the actuation is, and even if I feel the click, it just doesn't work, and I tend to have accidental up inputs with my Seimitsu even though it's way more accurate for me so I probably just need a longer throw, so I think a Korean lever would fit me best. My only gripe is that I have no way of trying one without buying and the fact that if I do like it, probably can't use a traditional mount K Lever on my Fighting Edge so I'd have to get a whole new setup which I can't really afford right now lmao
The Alpha levers will 100% work in a Hori Fighting Edge. I believe the low collar Crown levers will work too. Best of luck with your search. I have the Korean lever server discord linked in the description so you're free to join and ask questions there! :)
I have like 4 Crown 309-MJ-Benylis model.. and one Low collar Taeyong Fanta.. I really like my 309.. even use a quick disconnect for it.. doing DP is soo butter smooth..
The Benylis isn't bad but to me the NewHelpMe is the number one 309 model out there. The tension and starions are a really neat choice for the lever. It is all personal preference at the end of the day
Can you provide more info on the diagonal engage zone in all the lever you show in the video, btw thanks for the all the information , one of the best informative videos for the beginners like me 😊😇
if you are on discord shoot me a friend request @ GeminiRX7#6020 I can provide a photo that makes it really easy to understand. I think I will do a future video discussing some other topics in more detail. I am glad you found my video helpful! :)
low coller ive liked the alpha N the most and on my full collar prob the fujin v3.... i have the golden lever full coller and i still use the fujin more
Hi! This video is very helpfull, where would you put the new Knee lever? Thanks!
I don't think it's a bad lever, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first. Not entirely sure where I would put it on the list. Also the body is a bit bigger than more "standard" sized levers like the 309 levers or Alpha levers so if your case doesn't have a lot of clearance (Hori Fighting Edge, Qanba Titan, etc.) then it might not fit.
Great video
can u please tell me the difference between crown 309mj and 309hfj my 309hfj is so stiff
How about Master Lever and Golden Lever?
What about the full collar taeyoung fanta? Do the criticisms for the low collar still apply? Thanks :]
Hey, Im looking for something close to the knee lever, but maybe a lil cheeper. Is there anything you can recommend me?
Great video!! Intuitive, kudos mate
thank you so much!
hey really great video wtf im happy i found that channel, i dont know witch one should i buy between the NHM and the crazy dongpal, any tips ?
would love some follow up videos!
I mean to make a follow up/updated video but school kinda cooked me. Maybe once life stabilizes and I get into my job field I will
@@geminirx7 wish you the best of luck! this is still an awesome resource regardless
Just ordered NewHelpMe thanks for the help to choose one
Hey man great video! I had a Crown and I'm interested in trying the CDP lever now.. The CDP has that annoying deadzone like the Crown309 has? Because I didn't liked that at all. Thank you so much
the 309 has a 16mm actuator. The CDP has a 15.3mm actuator so there is more deadzone. If you want to try it out, I would just purchase the actuator by itself since you already have a Crown lever.
Hey ! Two things
-I brought a 47c a while back for my first lever and arcade shock sells a version of the 47c where the bat top DOES screw off (they also sell the glued on)…just an update if anyone was looking into that one but concerned about the glued bat top
- are the premium levers in C tier because they aren’t good for your first lever? Or were you saying they are C tier overall compared to other premium levers on the market?
Hi Gemini, I’m thinking of buying the NHM lever based on your and AlexNostalgix’ reviews. I want to optimize some of my dash motions in Tekken (especially instant while running stuff and fast forward dashing to back dashing). It would be my first Korean lever after having played on the Hori Hayabusa, which I felt was super loose (took forever to get back to neutral).
Do you think the NewHelpMe would be a good option in my case? Should I get a few more higher tension grommets and does that help with a faster neutral?
Thanks!
You can instant while running on any lever with enough practice. I do think a NHM is a great option as a general lever and nothing about it would hinder you with your movement or while running moves.
With regards to grommet tension, play on the grommet that's most comfortable for you. Even on the lightest grommets, you can get 1 frame returns to neutral. You're splitting atoms at that point.
@GeminiDTX - Korean Levers thank you for the advice
@@PaperTigerLive no problem! :)
@@PaperTigerLive you're v welcome!
Do you recommend alpha 47c or 309 mj for my first Korean lever ?
309mj. I would always go for 49s over 47c as well just because the 47c forces you onto the sanwa bat top unless you change the shaft
At this point I'll start with whatever one I can find 😂
Any thoughts about the knee lever neo?
Why are long throws more expensive than short throws? Is long throw better? I’m a noob - sorry
Yiou mention in the comments that you didn't like the Sanjuks V6. What were the specific things you didn't like?
thank you mr gemini sir
No problem!
Sooo neo knee or alpha N
Why you didn't include the crazy dongpal
Is it cause it's the same build quality and switches like the 308MJ?
The biggest reason was the 15.3mm actuator is too small for most ppl. If you wanted a CDP I'd say go 309mj and then just get a dx bobbin + 15.3mm actuator.
Do you have a link for that NHM switch?
I want to change the color of my Myoungshin's bat top, including the dustcover. Is that possible?
focusattack.com/gersung-microswitch-pak-for-cwl-309-mj-new-helpme-kms-st30/
the only other Myoungshin bat currently available is green from IST or second hand from someone. the bat top isn't detachable from the shaft. The only dustwashers like that are black, but you could get a flat clear or custom acrylic from Focus Attack
Hey great video. You haven't talked about all Samducksa products tho. What about the 301 DX or the crazy dongpal? Unfortunately I can only get Samducksa products in the eu.
Samducksa and Crown are the same company. The 301 is generally considered not a good Korean lever. The Crazy DongPal has a smaller actuator (15.3mm) so your corners will be a bit small which is why I didn't recommend it here in this video
@@geminirx7 I've heard that the crazy dongpal isn't a good lever but the 301 DX doesn't seem unpopular. It has a nice clear ball top and A3 switches. The only downside is it's quite big for an korean lever and doesn't fit in some cases. Also it has a covered shaft which doesn't look good with the clear bat top. So it's 50 bucks plus 30 bugs for a qr shaft just for the looks.
@@CoolDima09 The Crazy DongPal not a bad lever per say, it is just directed at people who play Mishimas in Tekken. If you are not a Mishima player then it probably won't suit you. Even if you are a Mishima player, you may dislike it. The 301 was made for Street Fighter, and is generally considered overpriced. If you want a clear bat top, you can get a Crown DX shaft and clear bat top to use for your 309mj or whatever Crown lever you want. Also, you can remove the shaft cover if you want on the 301. Also, one last note: The 301 parts are much less compatible with other crown models. The bobbin and shaft are totally different from 303 and 309 models. You're better off spending $30 on a 309mj that also has Gersung A3 switches.
@@geminirx7 what korean lever do you suggest for Mishima players?
@@shiki494 This is a widely debated topic. Everyone has their own opinions. You can play Mishimas on whatever lever honestly. However, if I was to recommend one I would say the Fujin V3. That has too much throw for some people though
What would you recommend between a 309mj and a benylis 309mj both with the same tension grommet? Is it just the microswitches that are different?
What is good for wavedash and kbd both sides for Mishima players. I got a stock obsidian its hard
You can do those on any lever. The Fujin V3, IST Knee lever, and Crazy DongPal are a few of the most common levers for Mishimas. I personally like the Alpha N a lot for Mishimas.
@@geminirx7 thank you 😊
@@kyquinn502 No problem :)
I start tekken with old help me full colar and i was not confident with this lever than i buy CDP lever (very cheap price) and i really really like the CDP lever i think in therm of Price/Quality is one of the best K lever ever made (ChokSae main lever, ikari main lever, Boa luvb main lever etc etc) i dont know why u didnt talk about this ? And finally i get a Sanjuks V6 (very expensive) but that was my best experience also very precise very quick handling
Have you tried the Fujin III compared to these? I have the CDP but arent very comfortable with it and was thinking of getting a Sanjuks
I've been playing with a japanese lever for almost 2 years and was considering buying a korean one but most people reccomended me to just stick with it since I was still a beginner, would you suggest switching to any of these ones you listed for quarter circles motions or not? Thank you for this great video
Hey sorry for the late response
I think the NewHelpMe is really good in this aspect because it has short throw for a K lever & a larger actuator. My personal 2D set up is a NHM DX w/20a grommet & 16.3mm actuator (it only comes with 16.0 & 16.2 now). However, everyone is different. I know some ppl who can't use K levers for 2D because the throw is too long for them. In my case, I only play on Korean levers now. You won't know until you try really.
hope that helps!
@@geminirx7 which actuator do you think is best for the NewHelpMe?
WHERE CAN I GET THIS BANDIT FUJIN MOD?!?!?! I am trying to get this thing into my Nacon Daija and the collar is tooooo big
I am in the US so I used FocusAttack. If you are in EU I would try to find one second hand, or buy from IST in Korea
There’s an alpha 47c on IST’s website that has a clear bat top that looks screwed on. Do you know if that one is also glued on?
The one with the clear bat top is the Alpha 49s. The Alpha 49s is screw on. The Alpha 47c has a black Sanwa bat top that is glued on. You can unscrew it but it will take some work to break it loose from the glue. They also have different micro switches. If you have any more questions let me know!
@@geminirx7 thanks for answering my question and the great video. I ended up just getting both a 309mj and a 47c just to see which one I like since I’m pretty new to k levers.
@@oliverblack9858 those are both great choices! feel free to join the Korean lever discord if you need any help getting things set up!
discord.gg/YamTJJt
Hey man ! can you help me ? i'm n00b i need a lever for shmups that i can customize like changing tops (bullet, bat & capsule) QR shafts and changing tensions !
Dl link for pdf?
Hello, I am gonna switch from fanta to alpha 49s. Does the shaft from 49s rust a lot like the crown levers? Thank you
Have you tried the 309FJ and is it any different to it’s MJ counterpart
thank you for that video! what do you think about sanjuks v6 or the NHM?
Hi, sorry I just saw this comment. I won't lie, I like the NHM more than the V6. I had a V6 but sold it just because I wasn't really a fan. I often play on a modded NewHelpMe. I don't think the V6 is bad, it's just not for me. There are a lot of people who would tell you that they like the V6 more and the V6 is higher quality (machined & not plastic injection mold). Just depends on what your preferences are!
@@geminirx7 thank you for your comment and no worries about it!
Can you elaborate a bit on the preferences for modding your NHM? I received it about 2 weeks ago and I am pretty satisfied but looking forward to more experimentations!
@@SilverStarGG If you're happy with it stock, then don't feel like you have to mod it. For me I changed the actuator size to 15.5 (Crown Kaze actuator) but they stopped producing it sadly. I also changed the tension to 25a.
@@geminirx7 cool! I actually ordered the same actuator. What about its switches? Would you mod them as well? I know it's personal preference but I am curious to hear your opinion.
@@SilverStarGG Depending on the lever/switch spacing/actuator that can effect what switches feel best. I tend to like medium to heavy switches (Omron A6s which are 250gf iirc for example or the NHM A3s which are 180gf if I am not mistaken). I know plenty of people who love Omron A5s which are definitely softer switches at 125gf. gf = grams of force needed to activate. So yeah until you try you won't know what you like, but definitely play on what feels best for you.
hej. is there any chance to have a ranking video and your opinion on levers ?
I don't have a specific ranking and everything is very personal preference.
I do mostly play on the NHM now when I play on K lever, but there are a lot of good options.
@geminirx7 itd been a while, I got most of the list and more.... also switched to Japanese lever 😅
Question: Currently I have crown 309mj and Im curious about how knee lever neo feels since it has round square gate. Reason i ditched my hori due to gate so I am kinda worried about the gate of knee lever neo.
309mj im messing up diagonal input like u/f or b/d.
Execution will just come with practice, but you could definitely try changing levers if one would suit your preference more. The Kneeo is a bit interesting. I haven't played on one in a while but I don't really remember feeling any way about the gate. The throw of the Kneeo is longer than the 309mj. I prefer the mj just bc it's more standard and for myself it is easier to play on. The Kneeo might be for you though!
I think I’m going to try a k lever since I don’t like the boxy feel of the jlf or ls-32. I did like the metal prongs for easier switch activation on the ls-32 though.
I’d like a lever that I can use for 2d anime fighters and 3d games. I don’t want actuation to be too tight, so I’m okay with a little bit of deadzone. I’d still like to be able to find my corners to iad, dp, or ewgf. Should I get the 49s, nhm, cdp, or something else? What lever would you suggest?
to this day…. no arcade stick out of the box is for tekken. etokki korean is the only one in existence and its only in south korea and doesn’t work on current consoles without a converter.
Why?!!!? For 250 to 400 dollars i just want a korean lever/knee lever and decent sanwa buttons.
I don’t understand why we can’t have one right out of the box??
which korean lever will fit nacon daija without collar issue
heeey im late to the party but i got a question , why would i want a full collar , or a low collar what are the cons and pros of each? thnx for ur time and answer
- fellow Tekken player with a full collar Myoingshin Fanta stick
Sorry for the late reply, but it's just preference. My understanding is Full Collar were just what got used in the old KR arcades so they've just stuck around as the design. Things are moving towards low collar just because it's easier to fit in a standard arcade stick. If you like the full collar look you can stick to it, if you don't care or prefer low collar then you're not losing anything switching to low collar.
For the different tensions on the grommet are there any reasons to go for the high tension vs the low tension? Or does it just all come down to preference ?
Tensions are just preference. When I made this video I preferred really high tension. Now I prefer medium and medium-low tension.
Not sure if you'll see this message but I've looking into Korean levers. I'm really just looking for a good base kit to tinker with. I was looking at the short collar fanta and just modding it with good parts but I'm looking for other thoughts on this before I continue.
Sorry I was MIA on this channel for a long time.
I think the Crown 309 is probably the best modding base because of the variety of actuators in combination with the different switches you can use. Generally though any lever will only be compatible with others parts of the same brand/company and even if they are made by the same brand/company it doesn't mean they are compatible.
Would love to hear what route you went though if you decided to pursue modding. Sorry again for the late reply
What about the Sanjuks V6 ? Where would it be in this list ?
I wouldn't recommend the V6 because it's a lot of money to spend on a lever you may not like. I am also pretty NewHelpMe pilled and really think that even if you would like the V6, the NHM is really good and the V6 is not $60+ dollars better than the NHM. I don't think the V6 is bad though, just not for everyone.
@@geminirx7 I got the V6 and I absolutely love it. It's a bit "heavy" at first though... But I got used to it and I love it
Hi, I'm new to using arcade sticks. Just want to know what "throw" specifically means?
Sorry for my very late response. Throw is just how far you move the shaft before it stops.
great video istmall should tip u lol
Thank you! It's a little low quality but the question used to get thrown around the K lever discord a lot so I just wanted something to serve as a sufficient baseline
What can you recommend if I want to replace the shaft of the myoungshin fanta to change the battop? Can the knee lever v1 shaft fit?
Knee lever parts or Alpha parts should work but you probalby need the alpha actuator as well
You have a few options. You could replace Myoung parts with ASI parts which are a bit more pricey. You could put a Knee v1 shaft in, but I'm not sure how pleasant it would be since the Knee V1 shaft is like 7.2mm and the Myoung shaft is 9mm.
I would try a Fujin shaft (the rev 2 is 7.8 & the rev 3 is 8.4mm) just so the throw isn't dramatically bigger. You would probably need to grab an Alpha actuator as well (15.5mm) but you could also try the 15.3mm that comes with the Alpha N.
Fujin 8.4 shaft with 15.5mm actuator would give you a little more throw and might be better for your preferences.
Can i use the crown 901mj in my daija or my hori rap 4 arcade stick?
do you mean 309? I can confirm for sure the 309 works in the Rap 4. I have never owned a Daija though, so I cannot say.
which of these levers would you recommend for someone who mainly plays 2D fighters? i recently got the alpha 49S and perhaps it's just my inexperience with k-levers but i'm finding it difficult to consistently hit diagonals, especially with DP motions
I would recommend two things actually. The first option would be to get Gersung A3s or NewHelpMe A3s from Focus Attack. The Omrons actuate later than Gersungs so I hated the feeling of it. If you were going to get a whole new lever then the Crown 309 NewHelpMe. The bigger the actuator the bigger the corners. The NewHelpMe has a 16.3mm actuator as well as a 16mm and 16.2. The throw is a little shorter as well.
@@geminirx7 would the 309MJ or the benylis be fine substitutes? the 309 newhelpme looks to be sold out pretty much everywhere and stock for switches seems to be low too.
@@andyee3 the 309mj is effectively a not as good version of the NewHelpMe so I would recommend that one between the two. I would also say get a 25a Crown grommet and a 35a Crown grommet and a DX bobbin.
i use my alpha N on 2d fighters and on tekken seems solid on both
I know Im a year late, but I use an Alpha N for Street Fighter. I never play 3D fighters. When I switched to a Korean Lever, my execution improved dramatically literally overnight. The difference was night and day.
Would you be so kind and make a video on high end Levers?
I have thought about it. I have played on a few. Is there one you would want to see in particular? I may have played on it already and can give you my honest opinion.
I may do a Knee V2 lever review, but I'm not committed to that as video editing and making sure it is a good review video is a lot of work
Can you buy the handle by itself? I would like to buy one for my hori rap n. (New to fight sticks)
Do you mean the bat top? You can buy individual detachable bat tops from any of sites I have listed in the description. Assuming you're in the USA, Arcade Shock and Focus Attack would be the places I look first
@@geminirx7 Thanks A lot. Just got my stick and I can’t wait to get good haha.
Where do I get the bandit fujin mod ?
In the US, I would try FocusAttack
If you are in EU or Asia, IST is probably your best bet
Second hand is also a good option if you're able to find one
Hey, I have noticed that the NEW Helpme has a 16 actuator. Is it a sound idea putting a 15.5 actuator in instead. What are the benefits if any at all as most players use 15.5 and below?
1. Actuator size is preference. It changes your engage and the size of your corners. Some people want big corners, other people want smaller corners. It also changes your dead zone which again is entirely preference.
2. There is a lot that goes into actuator sizing as switch spacing and throw also affect your actuator. The only 15.5mm actuator ever made for Crown levers was recently discontinued. Your best bet at this point would be getting an Alpha 49s actuator from IST or getting a delrin 15.5mm actuator from BitBang Gaming and then drilling it out to get to fit a Crown shaft.
3. Overall it would have to be something you try for yourself. I personally have a 15.5mm Kaze actuator from IST (the 15.5 Crown actuator that was discontinued) on one of my levers and I do like it but it's not everyone's preference.
4. I am also not sure if most pros use 15.5mm and below (although some definitely do) and again because of the different levers and their switch spacing that could lead to totally different results. Having a 15.5mm actuator on a Crown lever (16mm switch spacing, short throw) vs an Alpha 49s (16mm switch spacing, medium throw) vs an Alpha N (15.5mm switch spacing, medium throw) are all very different things because of the switch spacing and throw and how those work together.
5. The kind of switch you use could also change your ideal actuator size as well
@@geminirx7 I apreciate the thought going into your answer!
I have in fact gotten a new helpme lever already based on your vid. (dirrectly from IST) and had a friend make me different size actuators (15.5, 15, 14.5).
As Im absolutely new to Korean levers so my thought was that a smaller actuator could increase the neutral somewhat as, even though the 16 actuator size feels good, the neutral kinda feels small. I was basing the 15.5 thesis also based on your other vid. which notes the different size actuators for most korean popular players. But as you explained I also wondered about the switch spacing on the new helpme versus the pro player used levers which were fantas and other options.
All in all the 15.5 with a 35 grommet feels a bit better imo than the 16 even though the difference isnt that big, but a smaller actuator was not that grate.
Im guessing that ill stick with this setup untill I will get a hand on a 25 grommet, that might be a good combo with a smaller actuator for mishimas.
Also, I m new to sticks in general and really apreciate your vid. After thrying a korean lever I dont think I will be going back to a Japan lever, not for tekken atleast.
Unfortunatly the community around sticks and speciffically korean levers isnt huge, so your vid was a greate help. Pitty that korean levers are a hassle to get in EU (U.K isnt in EU anymore either). Importing expense is a b***h.
@@geminirx7 one more thing, havent yet fully grasped the concept of throw - my understanding is that its basically the travelling distance of the stick thus impacting the neutral size - correct?
@@antoniobanderas5316 I know a lot of Mishima players like smaller actuator sizes. Crazy Dongpal used a 15mm one. Everyone has their own preference. I hope you find one that your ideal setup!
@@antoniobanderas5316 Throw is how far you can move your shaft. If you put a 8mm or 7mm shaft in your NHM, you'd have a longer throw.
Neutral is more about your actuator size in relation to switch spacing.
Are there any Korean Lever good for Tekken 8 and Street Fighter 6?
Whatever lever you like the most is the best one for you. I think the NHM is really good for everything though if you wanted a specific recommendation.
which of these models has the least dead zone?
iirc it is the Crown 309 NewHelpMe with it's 16.3mm actuator
303DX CDP is hard lever ? 🤔
I use 309mj ST45
That's very subjective. Your corners will be smaller so you may find it harder to use if that's what you mean by harder.
@@geminirx7 In the end I took it and tried it I must say that the difference is not so much the voltage that the 309mj has a very similar ST25 JLF for one at the first gun the 303DX CDP could find it strange or beautiful in my opinion and an excellent lever especially for who has already had to deal with the Korean levers
@@maestro-occulto8871 I am glad you're liking the CDP! I just have seen a lot of mixed reactions to it so I am a bit hesitant to recommend it, even though I don't think it's bad myself
What happened to your response video?
Good question. I am a uni student and got really busy when filming the part 2 and ended up losing motivation. I then realized that it would be more productive if I just posted my criticism in like a post in the community tab. Then I learned that I don't have that and need like a minimum of 500 subscribers to have a community tab.
It's also just not the general direction I want my channel to go as well. I am thinking of redoing this video since some things have changed since this video's release & I gotten a lot of constructive criticism
Will Korean and American joystick levers work on all fighting games?
Hi, just saw this comment. Korean or American levers can be used for any fighting game as long as they're properly wired & your arcade stick works. No type of lever is better than another, it's all preference
Where's Crazy Dongpal?
I didn't include the Crazy Dongpal as it isn't a lever I would recommend for beginners. The 15.3mm actuator has smaller corners than someone just starting or comes from a Japanese lever would be comfortable with for most people.
which ones the best for wavu wavu ?? lol
Whichever lever you feel most comfortable on. You can wave dash on any of these levers without an issue as long as like you've practiced & got your wavedashing down.
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cool vid 😱did you get the chance to check the shinsun out? 🥰
I haven't tried the Shinsun lever out, but I do want to try it especially since I play a lot more 3rd Strike now. I will do my best to remember to reply once I get my hands on one. It will probably be quite a while though.
Stopped listening when you said the 309mj had medium tension. 309mj stock comes with the lowest tension ST25 grommet which is similar to a stock sanwa jlf. :/
Sorry, just saw this comment.
1. 25a is not the lowest tension for Crown levers, 20a is
2. if you go to focus attack right now, they only sell their 309mj with the 35a grommet. There are some that come with the 25a grommet but you can tell which is which by the number that comes after ST. In the screenshot I use you can see the lever is Crown CWL-309MJ-KMS-ST35 Joystick.
@@geminirx7 I am very aware that 20a is the lowest you can go. But at stock ST-25 isn't mid. Also the ST-35 isn't the stock version of a Crown lever which is very misleading since the difference between the real stock crown lever and the ST-35 variant are worlds apart in terms of tension.
@@TheControllerChronicler ST-35 is literally the stock version Focus Attack sells you right now. When I got mine long before making this video, they sent it with a 35a. I haven't seen one sold stock with a 25a in a long time. Several Crown levers sold with 35a stock (CDP, Benylis, 309k, and some places with the 309mj). I don't quite understand how you're saying it isn't stock when that's how vendors are selling it. When I do an updated & better version of this video I will be sure to include that you could get 25a or 35a depending on place. However, in this video you can clearly see that I am referring to a 309mj from Focus Attack which specifies that it has a 35a grommet.
Okay ngl I've been in that discord for a grip too and even though you keep saying switches are preference there's a lot of misinformation and bias in your description of some switches. For example people like gersung a3s but not over everything lol they are just the new cheap easy standard. They are just as inconsistent as a2s QC wise, but people who like a2s are more picky because a2 users prefer a stiffer feel while the a3 is a lot lighter and springy. While we're on the matter of a2s... I'm not sure where you're hearing this slander of the a2s but they are highly preferred by a lot of Tekken players specifically, due to those characteristics of diagonals being harder to find and the switches being stiffer(I could get into the specifics of why people actually prefer these characteristics but it's not the point of my comment). Not so much so that they'll pick a2s over the new standard of a3s but it's there. Also benylis sells out all the time from people buying up there stock JUST for the starion switches, no one buys a lever just to get a3s lmao so clearly someone likes them even if you don't know anyone who does. Again not here to hate but just trying to clear the bias in the air like you said it's all about preference so maybe explain WHY some things would be considered "widely regarded as the best" or "widely regarded as the worst" instead of just telling us that people don't like it. My only criticism of the video so far. Great work and beautiful infographic on the breakdowns of different types of levers
I appreciate the criticism. I feel like I make my bias known and state what I like and don't like. I also think I did enough work trying to be objective like when I bring up Omron A5s for example by stating I don't like soft switches but they are widely considered good.
I don't recall me ever saying Gersung A3s are the best or that people prefer them over everything, although if you have a timestamp for that I will admit that I said it. I don't think I ever said someone buys a lever for Gersung A3s either, and I am pretty sure I just said they're kind of the standard and generally like because they're found on several different levers. Some of what you said in your comment confused me a bit so if I misread what you said, you're free to clarify that way we are not talking past each other.
In regards to not explaining why things are best or worst, I didn't want to through too much detail in here about why things are considered the best or worst because I aimed this video at people who know nothing. The target audience of this was people who don't know where to start with Korean levers. Not to mention the video is on the longer side as is, I didn't want to overwhelm people who knew nothing about Korean levers with things they might not understand.
In regards to A2s: I have had 3 sets of A2s that all had bad QC. I have had dozens of Gersung A3s with no problems. After the video I did have some people approach me saying they think I went too hard on the A2s, but before those three or four people said something, I had only heard anywhere from six to ten of my friends say that they couldn't stand them. Not to mention, if you do like A2s there is not a single reason to use A2s over Omron A5s in my opinion. The A5s have much better QC and are higher quality even if you get A2s with QC. Even the people I know who like A2s don't regard them as their favorite switch. Please don't take this is me saying you're wrong, but I'm just giving you my perspective on why I worded things the way I did or said what I said.
Any advise for Sanjuks v7?
Same. I want to know how this lever is compared to others.
Haven't tried the V7. It's a lot to pay for a lever and I currently can't justify spending that kind of money at this moment. I want to try it in the future.
I will say I am a big fan of the NHM, and I thought the NHM was better for me than the V6. I like the V6 and I think most would prefer the V6 over the NHM, but I don't think the V6 is $60+ better than the NHM
If I get a chance to try the V7 I will do my best to make a post or reply to this comment.