I feel the 309MJ-DX is probably the best lever for a newcomer to K-Levers. It's a 309MJ, but it lacks the spring and opts for plastic bushing, and instead of the usual S25 grommet it has the S35. The combination of both the S35 and the bushing actually make it -slightly- tighter than a stock S35 though not as tight as say a S45 which is a really solid point to put your tension at that I feel pretty much anyone could accommodate to in the long run. Not loose, nor is it super tight. It also includes a detachable bat top, having a flathead slit on the shaft (that sounded.. wow) to detach the bat top whenever you want be it for assembly or for replacement. I actually loved this detachable bat top feature, because I have a Panthera Evo (8/10 stick overall, 1/10 for modding) and without the bat top or entire shaft being removable I would've had to go through some type of hell to get all of the many screws in this thing reinstalled after putting the top plexi on (since the inner case layer and the plexi are separate you'd be forced to put the plexi on top of the inner case where the screws are before installing the shaft which in turn would block some of the screws without bending and spinning the plexi to get to them) which just wasn't desirable for me. In the end, didn't have to do that, just had to cut/sand parts of the USB compartment and the weird (and useless) center screw post right next to where the lever sits to make it fit. The main draw is the S35 grommet and plastic bushing (no spring) combination right out of the box that honestly makes it feel perfect for a K-lever experience. Usable by both newbie K-lever users and veteran K-lever users. It also has the Jap-mounting plate and the low profile collar so in combination with the detachable bat top you can install this bitch in pretty much anything with case clearance for it (mileage may vary, sanding/cutting or even pin bending (didn't have to do this one in my case) may have to go down. There's also the 390MJ-DX-QR variant that just has the whole damned shaft pop out when the lever is installed in your case.. otherwise it's identical to the 309MJ-DX though I'm sure if the bat top is removable on this one since the whole shaft is. I imagine this one is for those who want ease-of-travel included in their setup. The base 309MJ is actually the last 309 I'd recommend, not because it's bad but primarily because the DX and DX-QR are just objectively more refined options and the DX variant was made with modding the lever itself in mind first and foremost (grommet, bushing, top, shaft.. all those are replaceable on this one) so you get a really modular stick with a better feel and tension that the stock 309MJ with the cost barely rising ($5 at most) if rising at all. That S25 grommet / spring combo just really isn't ideal and I don't feel it properly gives a K-lever experience considering it also has a low profile collar.. it kind of just shadows the experience. A lot of people buy a S35 grommet alongside their 309MJ anyway, so the 309MJ-DX could literally end up being cheaper since it already has this installed (and opts for the plastic bushing instead of the weird spring nobody seems to like) but yeah. Figured I'd mention that, it's the lever I use in my case for Tekken and I can't recommend it enough. The 303DX CDP lever is another good one, the 309-HELPME is probably the absolute best of the Crown levers but unless you get a low profile collar (kinda killing the purpose of owning one considering the 309MJ-DX is basically just a HELPME with a low profile collar anyway) mod for it. Considering low profile mods exist for pretty much all the notable K-levers I've seen as well as Japanese conversion plates to mount then, these days you can install a K-lever in almost any case.. though modification may have to happen. Just no drilling, which usually puts people off as it's easy to screw up without experience where-as sanding/cutting/bending is pretty straight forward.
To help people considering a Korean lever that desire something very close to a jlf. I don't play Tekken, only 2D fighters, like dbfz. My Joystick of choice is the crown 309 fj. It has a spring inside which I prefer as there is significantly less wobble, and I use a blue 35a gromet, the clear 25a is the lightest. Unless you use the blue gromet, pushing the joy stick all the way to one side and releasing it will cause a double input. Now the 309fj is a zero colar stick, fully flush unlike the 309mj that's half colar or 309 helpme full colar, so it's throw is going to be nearly identical to a jlf but slightly longer by a hair which all in all just causes more accurate inputs. It is a circle gate. Keep in mind all crown dx version levers have NO spring. A famous street fighter player named infiltration has a personal crown lever (SDL 301), it comes stock as the only Korean lever with a gate if your looking for something besides circle, a sort of moc octogon with smoother corner dips. It is a half colar, comes stock with a 35mm gromet, I suggest you get the, Tekken actuator SDL 301; it is larger than the stock actuator. Players have complained about inconsistency of the stock actuator with inputs. Do not buy quick release Korean levers, it feel fairly bad. They have yet to figure it out. If you desire a highly customizable Korean lever research the Golden Fanta, good luck.
I lived in Japan between 1984-1995 when I was young and I can never switch my Seimitsu sticks to anything else but it's still interesting to know what else is out there.
@@Adrian_Franco LS-32-01 is my favorite for general play but the new LSX-Nobi Standard is my favorite for all fighting games and it also works as a general use stick. LS-32-01 has a great feeling pivot and spring so it's the best for games where you want the pivot to feel nice and smooth like shoot em ups for example where you don't mash the stick only from side to side but also work in between the switches before deciding the movement. If i would use one stick for the rest of my life it would be this. The only notable thing is that you have to work with the spring and learn a feel for it because if you slam it to the gate the shaft can rise and it can bother some people. But there is no other better feeling joystick. The LSX-Nobi Standard has a harder spring and it's designed to return to the center quickly and getting to any of the 8 directions quickly and without any added vibrations or the shaft rising. It has a new design where the shaft doesn't rotate and it comes with a "bullet top" (small bat top). It was way too small for my hands so i just threw it out and i use a regular ball top on it. The LS-40-01 is a mix between the two but it has a lighter shaft so it doesn't feel as high quality in the end as the other two i mentioned.
thansk for the vid, Subbed! Inspired me to try a korean lever. Keep trying to commit to my stick but just haven't been able to stick to it. Hoping the feel of a new lever with more tension and a quicker return to neutral will keep me engaged.
I'm an old-school gamer not really used to arcade sticks been playing on one for about 3 years but mostly console it seemed like Korean sticks is the way to go just my opinion🤔 great video 🕹
thanks for this vid. ive decided to put a fanta lever in my mayflash and this answered all my questions. keeping the jlf in my obsidian for now... but im definitely excited to try something new.
Fantastic Video Brother!!!! This a great intro to K levers for anyone wanting to try them. This video also helps seasoned K lever users if they had not tried all three of these levers and can hear a person's opinion on them that have used them for a long period of time. Overall very knowledgeable video comedic video. Keep up the good work brother.
@@alexnostalgix i could have sworn it was from that other old game but probably i got it mixed up :). something entirely different, im wondering what the correct height is for a Korean lever? Do korean cases have like a little elevation like japanese cases and if so the elevation is probably different? i cant find anything online about this.
7:47 I just ordered my first Korean lever and it is a 309mj new help me lever. Looking forward to getting it, I got into Tekken recently and I have a Qanba that came with a sanwa jlf and I’m feeling I’m not getting the results I want with the jlf
Got a adapter to put a bat top on my japanese silent stick. Mainly play 2D fighters and I say the transition was easy as hell and I love the grip on the battop. The only problem is the battop can loosen up. Probably should tighten it to the point where it will never dare to unloosen.
Hey Alex , the video really help me alot on joining the Arcade Fight Stick community! Thank you. Can you do a tutorial on customize Artwork template on FocusAttack? Im a beginner on photoshop and i need help alot!
Got a quick release 303. Already got a Link and bat top I like. Gonna be interesting trying my first Korean Lever. If I really like it, I’ll get a Sanjuk V6 and put a Magenta on my other stick with the Otto V2. Keep that for anime fighters and Smash.
Such a underrated channel for the level of quality! Best vid on K Sticks on youtube imo. Btw, any chance of a video on more uncommon buttons such as crowns and seimitsus as alternatives for sanwa?
Maybe I'll try one after using my American lever but I can't justify the price tag of a Korean lever if I don't know how often I'll play fighting games.
I think you swung me to a korean lever i like the rubber/silicon grommet concept over the spring. I need hardware that can handle the fact that i cant differentiate speed from strength and violence when moving my hands. (Partially because I'm dumb and partially from working manual labor jobs since i was 14)
nice vild, also important to know what your panel is made out of before you drill or start drilling the Hori Rap N has a steel panel which is rated quite hard so a step drill bit may not always work also some panels which have a plexi glued to them can snap when you drill into them so be careful.
The standard TE is is also pretty thick as it has the top layer and another thick gauge of metal underneath the joystick area. As for the plexi I mentioned the glass bit for cutting plex/lexan to evade from breaking.
@@alexnostalgix i have cut some TE1 and 2 the Hori RAP N/ Sol Cal/ Tekken stick is thicker you need a Bi-Metal Hole Saw to cut and a Drill press. The grade of steel so hard that it is needs good drill press and generous amount of cutting liquid to ensure clean cut i messed up one panel and drill bit using my step drill bit and corded drill as it was not a high enough grade to cut a clean hole. The Bi-Metal Hole Saw bit made a clean cut BUT still needed filling as RAP N/SOL CAL/TEKKEN stick have these odd holes under which prevent a clean cut.
Alex I have a question. I love fighting games, two of them bring SF and Tekken. I have a cheap stick that I use to play fighting games for fun. But I’m looking to get my first high tier game stick. For someone who’s getting into fighting games more, again like SFV and T7 on the PlayStation 4 for now. Is there any stick you’d recommend for someone like me? I’m looking something that I can together my self and customizing it, or a made stick that can me modded in the future.
So I assume that by 6:03 the 2 to 3 sticks talked about before needed modifications would be the ones that would Simply Plug and Play on to Japanese Fightstick Control Decks? Basically I want to slap a couple of Korean Sticks on to an Arcade 1up that currently uses Sanwa sticks... I know I would have to splice the connectors but I'm trying to avoid having to take a drill to anything.... Anyone including the Uploader have any suggestions?
Just bought an etokki Omni with the taeyung and love it but wanna mod and this was my first korean lever. Do you recommend any other korean lever or is this fine?
I like the Korean levers a lot but I bought my first fightstick 2 days ago (mayflash f300) and I don't think it has a 34mm hole so without doing any diy the 309 crown mj would be the most ideal for someone who wants to get into a Korean lever "feel" I guess without having to make any diy modifications? Does that sound about right or what direction would you guys recommend I steer towards?
I thought korean levels only referred to the top of the stick being a ball as opposed to a bat shape. i cant use a bat to save my life, found instant success with a ball top
I went on the Focus Attack website and it says that the 309MJ now comes with a 35A grommet instead of the 25A grommet in this video. Did Crown update the 309MJ to have the 35A grommet be the standard by default due to complaints of the 25A grommet being too light? Would the 35A grommet be good for someone who's used to an LS-32? I want the stick to return to neutral quickly without being too heavy and uncomfortable to move.
Longer throw is far you can move the lever. I have not played on the V2 so I can't say exactly but I am currently doing a video with the fujin V3 as we speak. I do like the fujin more than the myoungshin if that helps.
Alex Nostalgix Is there a specific reason why? Also does the v3 fit in the Omni Korean edition without have to drill or anything? Thank you for responding subbed
@@ny9k867 from what I know yes. Fujin collar is wee bit under 35mm (34.8-9) so it should slide in just fine. The throw characteristics is just based on a preference but when you have a longer throw it's easier to distinguish corners since you have to really go the length for it.
Alex Nostalgix Hey bro sorry to bother but you’re the only knowledgeable stick person I know lol. My question is would I need the 187 to 5 pin harness for my Omni Korean edition stick if I switched out the Fanta for the crazy dong pal CWC 303 DX or am I good without it? Thanks
The sticks seem to wobble a lot when you release them, I don't know if that because of the slow motion or if that's a standard feature with korean sticks. I wanted to try one of these out because I thought they would be more sensitive to inputs, but if they recoil that much it seems like there'd be a lot of messed up commands? I'll probably stick give them a shot, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything important.
In neutral the lever isn't tensioned at all hence the wobble but it isn't noticeable while playing. When it returns to neutral the microswitches aren't nearly as soft as say a JLF so recoil isn't an issue and help prevent unintentional inputs.
I got a 309FJ specifically for Tekken lol. Now I've got 3 fightsticks for the different fighting game genres.. one with a JLF for SF/2D fighters, one with a K-lever for Tekken/3D fighters, and hitbox for the air dash fighters/charge characters. Lol this fightstick hobby is quickly getting outta hand.
Would a hitbox be a good choice for Dragon Ball Fighterz? I mostly play Tekken and have been having a hell of a time getting consistent jumps on my 309mj in DBFZ
Why is a JLF better for street fighter? I grew up playing SF in American arcades so I'm not totally used to japanese sticks so was considering swapping out the stick in my madcatz TE2 with a Korean stick since it's closer to the feel of American arcade cabinets but maybe that's a bad idea for SFV? I know it's mostly personal preference just wondering why you use a JLF for SF. Thanks
@@scotter7663 definitely all personal preference, but maybe try just switching the spring in your JLF to a heavier one and put a bat top on it before going to K lever. The stock JLF spring is too weak/feels loose IMO, 2lb spring is perfect for me but if you want that heavy American lever feel maybe try 2.5 or even 3lb. You can also switch the gate from square to octagonal if that's your preference. Korean levers use the collar as the "gate" so they're essentially circle gated, which might make it difficult to hit perfect directional/diagonal inputs at first. The JLF is really modifiable, take a look at the Otto diy kits for example.
@@SirCharles. ah great advice, thanks! Yah I'll just try mod'ing my JLF. I didn't know I could change the spring. That and change the gate and the bat and should be good to go. I def don't want to drill my case to accommodate a k-lever, so this will be much better
I wouldn't be the best person to ask since I don't play soul calibur. If your on a Hayabusa already then a Sanwa JLF or maybe a 309mj could be a great replacement! 👏
Ive been owning a taeyoung for 2-3 years now and ive been thinking about switching.. What would you say are the differences between the ist knee lever and taeyoung?
Search. Please. Personally I cant confirm myself but there is literally a thread on your exact question. www.reddit.com/r/fightsticks/comments/7733ha/qanba_drone_crown_309mj_and_trying_out_a_korean/
Do they sale extended Korean shafts ??? I got a JLF converter then got an extention ten got a bat top. But is there an official extended shaft so I don't have to do all this convertions?
Can you do a video on the ASI Golden Collar, low collar mod for the Myoungshin Fanta? I've been wanting to try a full collar style K lever, but if the Golden collar actually feels the same as the normal full collar Fanta, then I'd definitely go that route instead to avoid drilling out that hole. Also wanna know if it could work in Crown 309 series? So basically, can you compare a stock Fanta 2019 to one modded with the Golden collar? And then compare that to the 309MJ? Also maybe talk on the 2 different Fantas currently sold on IST, the 24g and 29g, is it just the tensions or are there any other differences? Definitely also want to hear about the Fujin and Kaze V3, really interested in what makes them special/better. They're both just modified Fantas, right? If that's the case, then a full-on Fanta Lever breakdown and variations video would be *fantastic* lol.
I wish I could but unfortunately I gave away my Myoungshin Fanta a few weeks ago aswell as both of my 309 MJs. If you check ASI's video on the short collar mod is doesnt change the throw of the lever so should still feel relativelythe same but ofcourse i personally havent experience it. With out any thought though the Kaze and Fujin especially don't feel anything like a base model Fanta from my experience. When it comes to reviews I use products that I currently have or are curious about, whether they turn into videos depends on if the time spent to make a video on it with be a fulfilling process is all. ^_^
@@alexnostalgix lol I had a feeling you might've already had all the stuff that I was curious about myself. Ah well either way, thanks for the info, I'm even more interested about the Kaze and Fujin now. All of your videos are superb quality content so no doubt I'm looking forward to whatever it is you end up making a video on next! 👍
In this round up the 309mj and 303dx would have shortest throw. However the 303 would requires more of the throw to be used before you engage the switches
From what I can tell, without owning one, it doesn't have a collar meaning it probably has the shortest throw from any of these levers (or in general). You wont have a collar to ride during movement either so thats there. I dont hear much people playing on th 309fj but when it comes to collarless design the IST Alpha is what hear about the most.
I actually got a 309FJ cuz I found it cheaper, even tho I wanted the MJ. Honestly I like it, it's my first K lever so I can't compare it to anything other than a JLF, but his dank ass rubber band analogy is pretty spot on lol. You can actually ride the "gate" even tho it doesn't have a collar. And I like the idea of it having less travel, and that it comes stock with the medium 35g grommet rather than the 25g grommet in the MJ. I might try to buy just the MJ collar piece later on, but for now I'm happy with it.
@@SirCharles. I have 309fj too, but didn't use it yet because does not fit in the madcatz te, the microswitch plug hits the cable storage enclosure and I don't wanna twist it to don't damage it, currently I am waiting the AFS 14'' enclosure delivery so I might try it soon, can't wait for it
Any Crown besides a 309 Help Me is no good (also many of the 309 Help Me sticks sent to the US are fake), T Fantas are trash they feel really low quality, M Fantas are fantastic, Arcade Stick Indonesia Golden Lever builds are most expensive, but best. Best Korean Levers in my opinion: 1. Any Arcade Stick Indonesia Golden Lever for the level of customization they offer and you can build on an M Fanta platform 2. Crown 309 Help Me with medium tension gasket because inputs are super crisp, especially CD inputs 3. M Fanta because inputs are easier than jlf and it's super durable...you could probably hit it with a car and it would be fine. All 3 of those are amazing. No other K lever is worth your time TBH. Also take note that a lot of K Levers in the US are fake, so your best bet is to order straight from the Korean manufacturer, even if shipping is more. I've been building sticks for almost 20 years. If you're looking at getting into a Korean stick, just pick up an etokki omni. It comes with M Fanta levers.
YOSHI_MEAT_SOUP you clearly were dropped on your head a few too many times as a baby. 1: GL is straight trash. Nothing but a gimmicky cash grab. Brass corrodes and snaps, tolerances are garbage, and its marked up about 700% 2: ok, 309hm is decent 3: sure 4: Omni comes with. Taeyoung, not Myoungshin. 5: Who sells fake Samducksa levers??? 6: Sanjuks > all 7: GL is garbage 8: GL is garbage 9: Did I say GL is garbage?
You're an idiot...how can the crowns sold in the states be fake when the US shops order directly from Korea...and the golden lever is NOT the end all be all of K sticks, while it is customizable it has flaws...like Butteroj mentioned
i was going to reply to this in full but doesn't seem necessary. Moral of the story are Levers are subjective AF and there not one that rules all. That is why I felt the need to put a video like this together for people who don't know what they want or those who may have a k-lever but want to see what else is out there. One thing I will mention is the Etokki thing..$200 for an etokki ....is no easy barrier for enthusiast to just randomly cough up especially if they already invested into a Japanese fight stick which is ludicrous. Match that with the golden lever then its about 350$ just for people who are curious. You have plenty of options like the 2019 Taeyoung, Fujin v3, kaze v3, 309hp (or k), alpha series, or the great god that is Sanjuks that all have a completely different feel to an extent while suiting individual players looking for a certain trait . Anyway hopee that clears it up. :)
35mm = 1 and 3/8 inches, you got it mixed up with the button diameter.
K-lever is a pretty klever way to call Korean levers
Love your production quality, it’s great to have this type of content for arcade stick content!
thanks man i try!
This is really helpful for someone who's new to modding and Korean levers! I wish i had this video months ago when i started lol
I feel the 309MJ-DX is probably the best lever for a newcomer to K-Levers. It's a 309MJ, but it lacks the spring and opts for plastic bushing, and instead of the usual S25 grommet it has the S35. The combination of both the S35 and the bushing actually make it -slightly- tighter than a stock S35 though not as tight as say a S45 which is a really solid point to put your tension at that I feel pretty much anyone could accommodate to in the long run. Not loose, nor is it super tight. It also includes a detachable bat top, having a flathead slit on the shaft (that sounded.. wow) to detach the bat top whenever you want be it for assembly or for replacement.
I actually loved this detachable bat top feature, because I have a Panthera Evo (8/10 stick overall, 1/10 for modding) and without the bat top or entire shaft being removable I would've had to go through some type of hell to get all of the many screws in this thing reinstalled after putting the top plexi on (since the inner case layer and the plexi are separate you'd be forced to put the plexi on top of the inner case where the screws are before installing the shaft which in turn would block some of the screws without bending and spinning the plexi to get to them) which just wasn't desirable for me. In the end, didn't have to do that, just had to cut/sand parts of the USB compartment and the weird (and useless) center screw post right next to where the lever sits to make it fit. The main draw is the S35 grommet and plastic bushing (no spring) combination right out of the box that honestly makes it feel perfect for a K-lever experience. Usable by both newbie K-lever users and veteran K-lever users. It also has the Jap-mounting plate and the low profile collar so in combination with the detachable bat top you can install this bitch in pretty much anything with case clearance for it (mileage may vary, sanding/cutting or even pin bending (didn't have to do this one in my case) may have to go down.
There's also the 390MJ-DX-QR variant that just has the whole damned shaft pop out when the lever is installed in your case.. otherwise it's identical to the 309MJ-DX though I'm sure if the bat top is removable on this one since the whole shaft is. I imagine this one is for those who want ease-of-travel included in their setup. The base 309MJ is actually the last 309 I'd recommend, not because it's bad but primarily because the DX and DX-QR are just objectively more refined options and the DX variant was made with modding the lever itself in mind first and foremost (grommet, bushing, top, shaft.. all those are replaceable on this one) so you get a really modular stick with a better feel and tension that the stock 309MJ with the cost barely rising ($5 at most) if rising at all. That S25 grommet / spring combo just really isn't ideal and I don't feel it properly gives a K-lever experience considering it also has a low profile collar.. it kind of just shadows the experience. A lot of people buy a S35 grommet alongside their 309MJ anyway, so the 309MJ-DX could literally end up being cheaper since it already has this installed (and opts for the plastic bushing instead of the weird spring nobody seems to like) but yeah.
Figured I'd mention that, it's the lever I use in my case for Tekken and I can't recommend it enough. The 303DX CDP lever is another good one, the 309-HELPME is probably the absolute best of the Crown levers but unless you get a low profile collar (kinda killing the purpose of owning one considering the 309MJ-DX is basically just a HELPME with a low profile collar anyway) mod for it. Considering low profile mods exist for pretty much all the notable K-levers I've seen as well as Japanese conversion plates to mount then, these days you can install a K-lever in almost any case.. though modification may have to happen. Just no drilling, which usually puts people off as it's easy to screw up without experience where-as sanding/cutting/bending is pretty straight forward.
I've watched these roundup videos about six times. Really got me wanting to do a build with a Korean lever. Love how you shoot your videos.
The quality of your videos is absolutely top notch and incredible.
Glad you like them!
To help people considering a Korean lever that desire something very close to a jlf. I don't play Tekken, only 2D fighters, like dbfz. My Joystick of choice is the crown 309 fj. It has a spring inside which I prefer as there is significantly less wobble, and I use a blue 35a gromet, the clear 25a is the lightest. Unless you use the blue gromet, pushing the joy stick all the way to one side and releasing it will cause a double input. Now the 309fj is a zero colar stick, fully flush unlike the 309mj that's half colar or 309 helpme full colar, so it's throw is going to be nearly identical to a jlf but slightly longer by a hair which all in all just causes more accurate inputs. It is a circle gate. Keep in mind all crown dx version levers have NO spring. A famous street fighter player named infiltration has a personal crown lever (SDL 301), it comes stock as the only Korean lever with a gate if your looking for something besides circle, a sort of moc octogon with smoother corner dips. It is a half colar, comes stock with a 35mm gromet, I suggest you get the, Tekken actuator SDL 301; it is larger than the stock actuator. Players have complained about inconsistency of the stock actuator with inputs. Do not buy quick release Korean levers, it feel fairly bad. They have yet to figure it out. If you desire a highly customizable Korean lever research the Golden Fanta, good luck.
Thanks for the input on where I was lacking good sir. Its much appreciated!
11:42 This is my favorite customize arcade stick so far! Its is so clean and color match is amazing!
These videos grow in value over the years. Ty for your insight
I lived in Japan between 1984-1995 when I was young and I can never switch my Seimitsu sticks to anything else but it's still interesting to know what else is out there.
Which is your favorite Seimitsu?
@@Adrian_Franco LS-32-01 is my favorite for general play but the new LSX-Nobi Standard is my favorite for all fighting games and it also works as a general use stick.
LS-32-01 has a great feeling pivot and spring so it's the best for games where you want the pivot to feel nice and smooth like shoot em ups for example where you don't mash the stick only from side to side but also work in between the switches before deciding the movement.
If i would use one stick for the rest of my life it would be this. The only notable thing is that you have to work with the spring and learn a feel for it because if you slam it to the gate the shaft can rise and it can bother some people. But there is no other better feeling joystick.
The LSX-Nobi Standard has a harder spring and it's designed to return to the center quickly and getting to any of the 8 directions quickly and without any added vibrations or the shaft rising. It has a new design where the shaft doesn't rotate and it comes with a "bullet top" (small bat top). It was way too small for my hands so i just threw it out and i use a regular ball top on it.
The LS-40-01 is a mix between the two but it has a lighter shaft so it doesn't feel as high quality in the end as the other two i mentioned.
4:36 If some of you don't know, the "CrazyDongpal" name is from a famous Kazuya player back in the tekken 5 era
thansk for the vid, Subbed! Inspired me to try a korean lever. Keep trying to commit to my stick but just haven't been able to stick to it. Hoping the feel of a new lever with more tension and a quicker return to neutral will keep me engaged.
I'm an old-school gamer not really used to arcade sticks been playing on one for about 3 years but mostly console it seemed like Korean sticks is the way to go just my opinion🤔 great video 🕹
thanks for this vid. ive decided to put a fanta lever in my mayflash and this answered all my questions. keeping the jlf in my obsidian for now... but im definitely excited to try something new.
glad this helped man! enjoy your new korean lever experience......also be careful it can become addicting lol
I’m glad I watched this before just out right buying a K-Lever. All the drifting swag in the back ground is also super dope!
Fantastic Video Brother!!!! This a great intro to K levers for anyone wanting to try them. This video also helps seasoned K lever users if they had not tried all three of these levers and can hear a person's opinion on them that have used them for a long period of time.
Overall very knowledgeable video comedic video. Keep up the good work brother.
Really hoping K-levers come back into production soon. They've been so hard to find for a year and nobody is talking about it.
Damn, you deserve more subs for this quality content. You sir, have gained a new subscriber!
UNITED STATES OF SMASH.....salutes you.
I'm an Alisa main so I instantly subbed when I saw "Go go gadget chainsaw" XD
Very interesting, waiting for more video about Korean joysticks.
Thanks.
I love your channel but damn, I love that setup too! Very chill
The 'welcome to the revolution' intro is from an old arcade railshooter where you could shoot cd's at enemies.
Actually it's from Capcom Vs. SNK2. Atleast the one I'm using unless it had a multipurpose use
@@alexnostalgix i could have sworn it was from that other old game but probably i got it mixed up :).
something entirely different, im wondering what the correct height is for a Korean lever? Do korean cases have like a little elevation like japanese cases and if so the elevation is probably different? i cant find anything online about this.
7:47 I just ordered my first Korean lever and it is a 309mj new help me lever. Looking forward to getting it, I got into Tekken recently and I have a Qanba that came with a sanwa jlf and I’m feeling I’m not getting the results I want with the jlf
how has it felt?
Got a adapter to put a bat top on my japanese silent stick. Mainly play 2D fighters and I say the transition was easy as hell and I love the grip on the battop. The only problem is the battop can loosen up. Probably should tighten it to the point where it will never dare to unloosen.
subbed hard. great video man. your voice is dope and chill
You deserve all the subscribers , your video is clean, informative, and it looks dope as fuck
thanks man much appreciated
For a noir button layout arcade stick, I would stick with 6 buttons instead of 8.
Hey Alex , the video really help me alot on joining the Arcade Fight Stick community! Thank you. Can you do a tutorial on customize Artwork template on FocusAttack? Im a beginner on photoshop and i need help alot!
Got a quick release 303. Already got a Link and bat top I like. Gonna be interesting trying my first Korean Lever. If I really like it, I’ll get a Sanjuk V6 and put a Magenta on my other stick with the Otto V2. Keep that for anime fighters and Smash.
Such a underrated channel for the level of quality! Best vid on K Sticks on youtube imo. Btw, any chance of a video on more uncommon buttons such as crowns and seimitsus as alternatives for sanwa?
Maybe I'll try one after using my American lever but I can't justify the price tag of a Korean lever if I don't know how often I'll play fighting games.
Amazing video. Ive been looking all over for information like this. Just need to find a good informational video on how to install in my Obsidian...
Excellent video
I think you swung me to a korean lever i like the rubber/silicon grommet concept over the spring. I need hardware that can handle the fact that i cant differentiate speed from strength and violence when moving my hands. (Partially because I'm dumb and partially from working manual labor jobs since i was 14)
nice vild, also important to know what your panel is made out of before you drill or start drilling the Hori Rap N has a steel panel which is rated quite hard so a step drill bit may not always work also some panels which have a plexi glued to them can snap when you drill into them so be careful.
The standard TE is is also pretty thick as it has the top layer and another thick gauge of metal underneath the joystick area. As for the plexi I mentioned the glass bit for cutting plex/lexan to evade from breaking.
@@alexnostalgix i have cut some TE1 and 2 the Hori RAP N/ Sol Cal/ Tekken stick is thicker you need a Bi-Metal Hole Saw to cut and a Drill press. The grade of steel so hard that it is needs good drill press and generous amount of cutting liquid to ensure clean cut i messed up one panel and drill bit using my step drill bit and corded drill as it was not a high enough grade to cut a clean hole. The Bi-Metal Hole Saw bit made a clean cut BUT still needed filling as RAP N/SOL CAL/TEKKEN stick have these odd holes under which prevent a clean cut.
You should have way more subs! Great channel!
Underrated
Really good video. awesome work.
Great content brother ✌️
Here binge watching this video because i don't use K levers
Great video! I recently switched to the 309mj and it's nothing less than amazing
song name btw?
blntsde.bandcamp.com/album/best-of-2
track 2 :)
this video is fire
comments like this keep it going.
Do any Japanese lever come with some kind of tension nowadays?
Or are they all soft like the one that comes with Hori sticks?
Alex I have a question. I love fighting games, two of them bring SF and Tekken. I have a cheap stick that I use to play fighting games for fun. But I’m looking to get my first high tier game stick. For someone who’s getting into fighting games more, again like SFV and T7 on the PlayStation 4 for now. Is there any stick you’d recommend for someone like me? I’m looking something that I can together my self and customizing it, or a made stick that can me modded in the future.
Oh shit and is that a sexy knights art piece behind the screen!
Really enjoyed the content!! Very detailed and helpful for beginners. Thank you very much!!
So I assume that by 6:03 the 2 to 3 sticks talked about before needed modifications would be the ones that would Simply Plug and Play on to Japanese Fightstick Control Decks?
Basically I want to slap a couple of Korean Sticks on to an Arcade 1up that currently uses Sanwa sticks...
I know I would have to splice the connectors but I'm trying to avoid having to take a drill to anything....
Anyone including the Uploader have any suggestions?
Where can we find the spacer he mentioned for K lever ? And what was that spacer ?
Just bought an etokki Omni with the taeyung and love it but wanna mod and this was my first korean lever. Do you recommend any other korean lever or is this fine?
I like the Korean levers a lot but I bought my first fightstick 2 days ago (mayflash f300) and I don't think it has a 34mm hole so without doing any diy the 309 crown mj would be the most ideal for someone who wants to get into a Korean lever "feel" I guess without having to make any diy modifications? Does that sound about right or what direction would you guys recommend I steer towards?
I thought korean levels only referred to the top of the stick being a ball as opposed to a bat shape. i cant use a bat to save my life, found instant success with a ball top
Hell, goodwork.
short throw all the way!! fucc that dead space, will they fit on a Mayflash?
Great content dude
Can someone please let me know what korean lever would fit in a quanba drone 2 with hardly any issues?
Nice set up where did you find that artwork for the mad catz te in this video?
i do all the art, outside of my most recent stick, myself
What bat top is that in the thumbnail ?
Why is a larger throw more suited to 3D than 2D games?
I went on the Focus Attack website and it says that the 309MJ now comes with a 35A grommet instead of the 25A grommet in this video. Did Crown update the 309MJ to have the 35A grommet be the standard by default due to complaints of the 25A grommet being too light? Would the 35A grommet be good for someone who's used to an LS-32? I want the stick to return to neutral quickly without being too heavy and uncomfortable to move.
I have a 309 mj with a 30 tension and it feels great for that return to neutral while not giving any tension in your arm or wrist
What do you mean by a longer throw? Also have you tried the Fujin V2 if so do you think it’s better than the Fanta ?
Longer throw is far you can move the lever. I have not played on the V2 so I can't say exactly but I am currently doing a video with the fujin V3 as we speak. I do like the fujin more than the myoungshin if that helps.
Alex Nostalgix Is there a specific reason why? Also does the v3 fit in the Omni Korean edition without have to drill or anything? Thank you for responding subbed
@@ny9k867 from what I know yes. Fujin collar is wee bit under 35mm (34.8-9) so it should slide in just fine. The throw characteristics is just based on a preference but when you have a longer throw it's easier to distinguish corners since you have to really go the length for it.
Alex Nostalgix Hey bro sorry to bother but you’re the only knowledgeable stick person I know lol. My question is would I need the 187 to 5 pin harness for my Omni Korean edition stick if I switched out the Fanta for the crazy dong pal CWC 303 DX or am I good without it? Thanks
@@ny9k867 nope you wouldn't need to from what I can tell.
The sticks seem to wobble a lot when you release them, I don't know if that because of the slow motion or if that's a standard feature with korean sticks. I wanted to try one of these out because I thought they would be more sensitive to inputs, but if they recoil that much it seems like there'd be a lot of messed up commands? I'll probably stick give them a shot, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything important.
In neutral the lever isn't tensioned at all hence the wobble but it isn't noticeable while playing. When it returns to neutral the microswitches aren't nearly as soft as say a JLF so recoil isn't an issue and help prevent unintentional inputs.
Review on a 301 crown infiltration k stick
what would be good for kof? there are a lot of types idk which hould i get? .. competition happ , european, sanwa style , this corean type
I got a 309FJ specifically for Tekken lol.
Now I've got 3 fightsticks for the different fighting game genres.. one with a JLF for SF/2D fighters, one with a K-lever for Tekken/3D fighters, and hitbox for the air dash fighters/charge characters. Lol this fightstick hobby is quickly getting outta hand.
It spreads like wildfire lol
Would a hitbox be a good choice for Dragon Ball Fighterz? I mostly play Tekken and have been having a hell of a time getting consistent jumps on my 309mj in DBFZ
Why is a JLF better for street fighter? I grew up playing SF in American arcades so I'm not totally used to japanese sticks so was considering swapping out the stick in my madcatz TE2 with a Korean stick since it's closer to the feel of American arcade cabinets but maybe that's a bad idea for SFV? I know it's mostly personal preference just wondering why you use a JLF for SF.
Thanks
@@scotter7663 definitely all personal preference, but maybe try just switching the spring in your JLF to a heavier one and put a bat top on it before going to K lever. The stock JLF spring is too weak/feels loose IMO, 2lb spring is perfect for me but if you want that heavy American lever feel maybe try 2.5 or even 3lb. You can also switch the gate from square to octagonal if that's your preference. Korean levers use the collar as the "gate" so they're essentially circle gated, which might make it difficult to hit perfect directional/diagonal inputs at first.
The JLF is really modifiable, take a look at the Otto diy kits for example.
@@SirCharles. ah great advice, thanks! Yah I'll just try mod'ing my JLF. I didn't know I could change the spring. That and change the gate and the bat and should be good to go. I def don't want to drill my case to accommodate a k-lever, so this will be much better
What is the recommended stick for soul Calibur 6 ? I am using hayabusa but i find it slow to side step .
I wouldn't be the best person to ask since I don't play soul calibur. If your on a Hayabusa already then a Sanwa JLF or maybe a 309mj could be a great replacement! 👏
great vid
Ive been owning a taeyoung for 2-3 years now and ive been thinking about switching.. What would you say are the differences between the ist knee lever and taeyoung?
i have a video coming out on the short collar taeyoung this coming friday :)
@@alexnostalgix awesome, thanks!
the only question I have after watching this video is completely unrelated, where did that morrigan(?) wallpaper come from tho???
I randomly found it awhile ago, then lost it when I upgraded :(
How the FUCK do you only have 1k subs my man
Get this man at least a milly
Hey Alex could you drop a link to the glass cutting bit you used, please? Thanks 🙏🏼
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Just be sure to get a 35mm bit, they usually come in sets but double check to be sure.
@@alexnostalgix Appreciate it!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Can the 309MJ fit in the Qanba Drone? I'm planning it to purchase as my first Lever.
Search. Please. Personally I cant confirm myself but there is literally a thread on your exact question.
www.reddit.com/r/fightsticks/comments/7733ha/qanba_drone_crown_309mj_and_trying_out_a_korean/
Alright thanks man! Already sub to your channel and btw keep up the good content 👌
Do they sale extended Korean shafts ??? I got a JLF converter then got an extention ten got a bat top. But is there an official extended shaft so I don't have to do all this convertions?
At the moment i dont think there's an option
hello is this lever good for kof games?
Can you do a video on the ASI Golden Collar, low collar mod for the Myoungshin Fanta?
I've been wanting to try a full collar style K lever, but if the Golden collar actually feels the same as the normal full collar Fanta, then I'd definitely go that route instead to avoid drilling out that hole. Also wanna know if it could work in Crown 309 series?
So basically, can you compare a stock Fanta 2019 to one modded with the Golden collar? And then compare that to the 309MJ? Also maybe talk on the 2 different Fantas currently sold on IST, the 24g and 29g, is it just the tensions or are there any other differences?
Definitely also want to hear about the Fujin and Kaze V3, really interested in what makes them special/better. They're both just modified Fantas, right? If that's the case, then a full-on Fanta Lever breakdown and variations video would be *fantastic* lol.
I wish I could but unfortunately I gave away my Myoungshin Fanta a few weeks ago aswell as both of my 309 MJs. If you check ASI's video on the short collar mod is doesnt change the throw of the lever so should still feel relativelythe same but ofcourse i personally havent experience it. With out any thought though the Kaze and Fujin especially don't feel anything like a base model Fanta from my experience. When it comes to reviews I use products that I currently have or are curious about, whether they turn into videos depends on if the time spent to make a video on it with be a fulfilling process is all. ^_^
@@alexnostalgix lol I had a feeling you might've already had all the stuff that I was curious about myself. Ah well either way, thanks for the info, I'm even more interested about the Kaze and Fujin now.
All of your videos are superb quality content so no doubt I'm looking forward to whatever it is you end up making a video on next! 👍
Which buttons you are using Madcatz (RND1)?
Sanwa Metlallics!
Hey Alex which lever has the shortest distance/throw for motions?
In this round up the 309mj and 303dx would have shortest throw. However the 303 would requires more of the throw to be used before you engage the switches
@@alexnostalgix thanks for the reply back. Also between the two which one has a little more tension?
Would it be okay to replace my 309fj actuator with CDP actuator? Or should i get the 303 itself
Unfortunately I haven't play on any the FJ stuff so I wouldn't be able to say.
@@alexnostalgix thanks for the reply bro and if you could point me in the right direction, how about 309mj? If i get actuator replaced with CDP one
Can I ask what type of camera you use
Sony a6500
Animal style? From final bout?
More like animal style from super d lol but yyeah
What’s the all what stick you have in this vid?
It's literally in the video.
Alex Nostalgix lol I meant the all white fightstick case your using my bad
@@chefplanes1120 07:44
any tips on modding a hori rap - N hayabusa ?
i mean.... like what exactly
@@alexnostalgix stick replacement and buttons lol
mods all preference tbh, its not something I can be like do this and you'll love......then end up hating it lol
@@alexnostalgix true didnt think it through lol
What's that wallpaper??
Some lewd Morgan picture I found on the webs lol
@@alexnostalgix as in Morrigan from Darkstalkers? Lol
Anyone knows the difference between CWL-309-FJ and CWL-309-MJ ?
From what I can tell, without owning one, it doesn't have a collar meaning it probably has the shortest throw from any of these levers (or in general). You wont have a collar to ride during movement either so thats there. I dont hear much people playing on th 309fj but when it comes to collarless design the IST Alpha is what hear about the most.
I actually got a 309FJ cuz I found it cheaper, even tho I wanted the MJ. Honestly I like it, it's my first K lever so I can't compare it to anything other than a JLF, but his dank ass rubber band analogy is pretty spot on lol.
You can actually ride the "gate" even tho it doesn't have a collar. And I like the idea of it having less travel, and that it comes stock with the medium 35g grommet rather than the 25g grommet in the MJ. I might try to buy just the MJ collar piece later on, but for now I'm happy with it.
@@SirCharles. I have 309fj too, but didn't use it yet because does not fit in the madcatz te, the microswitch plug hits the cable storage enclosure and I don't wanna twist it to don't damage it, currently I am waiting the AFS 14'' enclosure delivery so I might try it soon, can't wait for it
Myoungshin is king. Myoungshin > Taeyoung > Crown
I find the crown sticks are built much better than myoungshin fanta.
6:22 who's she?
Morgan from darkstalkers :)
Any Crown besides a 309 Help Me is no good (also many of the 309 Help Me sticks sent to the US are fake), T Fantas are trash they feel really low quality, M Fantas are fantastic, Arcade Stick Indonesia Golden Lever builds are most expensive, but best. Best Korean Levers in my opinion:
1. Any Arcade Stick Indonesia Golden Lever for the level of customization they offer and you can build on an M Fanta platform
2. Crown 309 Help Me with medium tension gasket because inputs are super crisp, especially CD inputs
3. M Fanta because inputs are easier than jlf and it's super durable...you could probably hit it with a car and it would be fine.
All 3 of those are amazing. No other K lever is worth your time TBH. Also take note that a lot of K Levers in the US are fake, so your best bet is to order straight from the Korean manufacturer, even if shipping is more. I've been building sticks for almost 20 years. If you're looking at getting into a Korean stick, just pick up an etokki omni. It comes with M Fanta levers.
YOSHI_MEAT_SOUP you clearly were dropped on your head a few too many times as a baby.
1: GL is straight trash. Nothing but a gimmicky cash grab. Brass corrodes and snaps, tolerances are garbage, and its marked up about 700%
2: ok, 309hm is decent
3: sure
4: Omni comes with. Taeyoung, not Myoungshin.
5: Who sells fake Samducksa levers???
6: Sanjuks > all
7: GL is garbage
8: GL is garbage
9: Did I say GL is garbage?
You're an idiot...how can the crowns sold in the states be fake when the US shops order directly from Korea...and the golden lever is NOT the end all be all of K sticks, while it is customizable it has flaws...like Butteroj mentioned
i was going to reply to this in full but doesn't seem necessary. Moral of the story are Levers are subjective AF and there not one that rules all. That is why I felt the need to put a video like this together for people who don't know what they want or those who may have a k-lever but want to see what else is out there. One thing I will mention is the Etokki thing..$200 for an etokki ....is no easy barrier for enthusiast to just randomly cough up especially if they already invested into a Japanese fight stick which is ludicrous. Match that with the golden lever then its about 350$ just for people who are curious. You have plenty of options like the 2019 Taeyoung, Fujin v3, kaze v3, 309hp (or k), alpha series, or the great god that is Sanjuks that all have a completely different feel to an extent while suiting individual players looking for a certain trait .
Anyway hopee that clears it up. :)
a question do you have participation on a any tournaments or your words are some words only?
I used my words at the tournaments.