Very much so. Though RA has appeared in one other documented case before in relation to Harrison Armory long after his appearance in Sol. Many more times depending on rumors, myth, and even religions.
I had a Goblin Frame called Error Data Not Found, it was such an issue for my DM because I took my pilot gear which was a Camo Cloth, curled into a 'fetal position' and sat silently hacking the ENTIRE campaign. The NHP inside who gave itself the name Echo, was so hell bent on just annoying the enemy I didn't even have to 'cycle it.' The only time I ever took damage was in my Everest, the rest of the campaign I spent hiding stunning enemies, unloading their weapons, forcing them to hallucinate, and even made a Lancer Pilot so paranoid he blew itself up.
My favorite thing about balor is the report from one pilot who described attacking a balor as "fighting angry water". That thing just refuses to die. One of my favourite horus PGs.
Pegasus' gun: You print an Everest. You never chose to install this gun, and never will. But you always have, and always will. Every turn, you do not shoot. But you chose to shoot. It has shot. It will shoot. The gun has killed thousands, millions, an ocean of blood and violence laid at your doorstep. And yet it is pristine, fresh with oil from the post-print assembly, a decorative weapon unfit to actually use that is responsible for every murder ever. Including yours. Your eye twitches. You stare into the open barrel, and within that inky black, you see yourself holding the gun to the head of another you, rifling spiralling around you, leading you towards a future you'll never reach, but you will arrive at. You print an Everest.
The G U N knows where it is because the G U N knows where it's not. The G U N knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation.
Thinking about the paracausality of the Pegasus just a little bit more, I've realised that what the Ushabti Omnigun does is erase/ignore/omit/bypass _every single causal event_ involved in the gun's use except for: 1. Pilot decides on a target. 2. Target gets hurt. The gun does not get aimed. It does not fire. A projectile does not travel. Based on the gun's flavour text, it even skips the causal prerequisites of _being invented yet_ and (of course) _physically existing on the mech._
@@AttaxalotlPlatonic idea of a Gun, even. A lathe upon which all guns are created, no matter how mundane or reality-defying Mimic Gun is the same thing but bigger
@@sanguinraven5672close. The ushabti is the ideal of the gun that all guns are derived from. The mimic gun is every derivative, but it is not the ideal
Basically. Like he said, no one really knows what shtick HORUS is after, most of them seem to agree that the Omninet should be an open resource for everyone.
The way I understand them, they’re if the /k/ board (full of gun and military equipment nuts) found / understood Yogg-Saron and in typical 4chan fashion said to themselves “we could make something entertaining out of this”
If they ever got the chance. Then again, they got the chance, then the chance was destroyed, so they went back into Time to try that chance again, and succeeded with everlasting repercussions. *Inhales* Sounds like a Tuesday to me.
My heart goes out to every mechanic who has to work on those frames. "What do you mean, there is no cockpit?" "Why is the mech looking like a lego set? AND WHY IS THERE FLESH IN AMONG IT?"
To briefly explain the two Horus frames not covered in this video Lich: A Mech that supposedly came from 5000 years in the future and that abuses time travel to keep itself alive by going ‘nu uh you didn’t hit me.’ It can also straight up revive itself it was destroyed once per scene. Kobold: This little boy is all about terrain manipulation. Create terrain! Blow up terrain, damaging everyone next to it! Make your enemies take damage for being next to terrain! Make your enemies take damage for *not* being next to terrain! Just use your core power to turn into Minecraft Steve for a moment.
Forgot the Calendula, whose whole thing is you isolate your enemies. As in, you slow them, and if that's not enough, you send them to the shadow realm with your core system EXECRATION OF THE NAMES OF THE UNWORTHY DEAD.
My favorite thing about the Lich frame is that it literally just appeared out of thin air inside of a group of engineers garage with all the proof that they were the ones that made it despite them actually never having done that. With so much proof even going as far as there being an actual voice mail from them in the files of the frame embedded in their own code.
and it all came from the future too, meaning they have yet to write themselves the blueprints they currently have. And they never received the files, its like they were always there.
H0rus as a faction is what sold a friend of mine on Lancer as a hole. Now his brother is planning on running Solstice Rain and Wallflower with us and I will be most likely playing a Gorgon. He originally wanted to go Manticore but he came to the conclusion that he should probably not do his best tesla coil impression when I am standing next to him to give cover.
I like Balor so much. From it's ability to hide in plain sight, to it's nanite flaming whip to shroud of green nano-(not)fire... I think I found my main ride in Lancer.
A neat way to look at Paracausality or Paracausal tech is "Things that alter the relation between cause and effect." Easiest example would be the blink gates, as they make the effect of traveling through space near instantaneous. Cause: entering blinkspace. Effect: shortening travel between a and b to a near instant speed. The Ushabti "gun" is Paracausal because due to it not being a gun it still transports the artillery of a weapon that may not exist presently. In this instance it unleashes an effect before any meaningful cause can occur. Meaning that black hole looking thing on the back of a pegasus may be more akin to a 1 way temporal or transdimensional portal, which is why it isn't a gun.
@@Grizabeebles very well could be! However it still applies the logic that artillery is being fired from an unknown source, messing with the relationship between cause and effect as we humans understand it.
@@Grizabeebleswell, the black hole looking thing is actually the containment field for the... thing. The eldritch horror not-gun. So probably more like the paracausal meta vaults out in space
When a human shoots a target with a pistol, they must first predict where the shot will land then squeeze the trigger, setting off a chain of events that terminate in hitting the target. When the ushabti performs the same task, it starts by hitting the target and then works the rest out through [redacted].
@@Tony-nt5zd exactly, it doesn't shoot you, you've simply been already shot, which is such a cool concept for a reality breaking sci fi weapon. Makes me think of that sword from the Bas Lag books that makes every single possible cut at once, instantly dicing anyone it hits.
my "who/what is HORUS?" theory is that it's every one of those theories. since they communicate largely via omninet, there's just NHPs and alien horrors working together with "regular human" hackers and they mostly blend together thanks to internet-anonymity and perhaps a culture of not caring about someone's origins / (non-)biology
I agree, except in my interpretation they aren't even aware of each other at all: H0rus is just one big Stand Alone Complex-style mess of bored script kiddies, omninet 4channers and random criminals, terrorists and impersonators using the name, working separately and never communicating. And that's just the people in H0rus who don't realize they're part of H0rus. All of the people/NHPS/Eldritch nightmares from beyond who think they actually ARE H0rus are also completely unaware of each other and working separately towards different goals, all convinced all the other 'Real' H0rus groups are just more organized imitators. But no matter what they do, no matter how tangled the web gets, they are ALL H0rus. All working towards the goals of someone or something directly or indirectly without even knowing what those goals are: The 'True' H0rus. H0rus is not a group, it's a phenomenon that is also a lie that is also many separate truths that is also a pyramid with a capstone no one knows. H0rus is a snake unaware it's eating it's own tail. And Ouroboros' must devour itself.
You should look for the cyberpunk game ran during Garycon during the pandemic. Mike Pondsmith runs it, and Matthew Lillard plays his Hacker Character Cereal Killer in it
My wife is considering a Pegasus and you explained HORUS better than I could. We just hit LL2 and had an RP session about obtaining our new mechs. We never got around to her round, so this video is just in time to link her.
In my personal setting, HORUS is a company about the truth of the matter. Where the main group is working towards the end goal of their mission, the HORUS pilot knows what the true endgoal is and is preparing for the inevitable, seeming paranoid and unstable. The oracle that knew the truth, but was cursed with never being believed.
Until slowly cascading Sisyphus makes the pilot predict the unpredictable because it already knows what will happen because it lived through this countless times. (yeah i'm having an idea for a pilot-NHP interaction)
@@michelveilleux123 Yes because Apollo is a fickle bitch like rest of the Pantheon. Cassandra was A) given the ability to foretell the future, but when rejected Apollo, she was also B) Cursed to never be believed, even when saw a terrible fate.
If you ever get to the Trade Baronies, I do hope you mention that a Grey Goo swarm that is theorized to be similar to what the Balor utilizes is currently devouring an entire planet whole. Lancer lore does not mess around. Also the Calendula, for being the closest thing to a horror movie slasher in the game, and the fact that the Baronies can’t figure out exactly when they got it, just that they did. Also the Kobold, cause they’re just a silly little guy… that melts everything.
I like the idea that the Omnigun on Pegasus is a device that causes the target to be hit by a bullet. Not one that fires bullets. But one which simply _causes_ the target to be hit by a (probably 'unrelated') bullet, possibly one falling from space from a conflict centuries ago, possibly a stray shot or ricochet from the fighting nearby, possibly a small metal meteorite or piece of space debris that just happened to arrive, possibly a round of the target's own ammunition detonating mysteriously, possibly a hitherto-unnoticed third party to the conflict shows up and shoots the target for their own reasons at the exact moment the user decides to activate it. Maybe, once in a very long while, it actually appears to produce its own bullet. Where did the bullet come from? That's how I imagine it, at least. It just... deals a point of armour-piercing kinetic damage. Unavoidably. _Inevitably._ Without counting as an attack! With a whole "Nothing in this book or any other can prevent or mitigate this damage." line. It seems almost to be making a point that the damage has a type at all...
You know Castigate is a meme when you hop on retromini's and find the model of a "castigated" Manticore and think 'ooo lightning effects and stuff..." just to find that it's just the mechs feet smoking at the ankles from when it blew itself sky high.
how the pegasus guns work for me: it hits the enemy. And because you hit that enemy, it means you fired the gun correctly, and pressed the trigger at the right time. Effect becomes cause. Also i think the biggest narrative hurdle with Horus is that well.. rules say you can just choose a horus license, lore says you cannot. You are chosen for it. But why and by who? no one knows. And it may be better no one knows you got your hands on horus tech either, since some think to get access to a horus license you have to kill it's previous owner...
Some say your mech gets a virus, others say that when you hack with the space 4chan terrorists they get impressed and send you the prints, or who knows, maybe you just found it cause they let blueprints float through the omninet for lols?? You don't need narrative for life's strange chaotic twists, if anything it's a cracked door, begging to be opened.
Maybe getting a license rules wise is like this. Since you have Horus stuff in the future it must mean you have license for it and since you didn’t have it before and you have it after this it must mean you get the license in that moment so therefore you get a license that technically does exist but only when it is needed. I know it doesn’t make sense but it doesn’t need to be considering how some of the Horus stuff works.
I love the Pegasus. For me, it’s all about thinking so hard that you just stop thinking so hard, in favor of doing “the thing” with “the thing”. Is it a concept? You want it to happen? It happened. Next thing.
In a future video can you please touch on the Platonic Ideal of mecha combat that is an Everest dual-weilding Assault Rifles? Every other mech is built around a gimmick. An Everest just kills you.
Reminds me when i first started, had no idea what was going on so I thought I was going to be basic and stay in everest for the entire game (character had very little memory, which gave me a lot of fun rp moments... and nutrino bars) but then I found deathshead... and I became a glass cannon with a gm that plays really smart enemies... first to shoot, first to blow up... but could not die, miss you sniper
@@aliens109 -- I'm just enamoured with how "reliable" weapons guarantee kills on enemies with 1hp. Add in an ASURA and an extra mount and you can double that loadout to 4.
Everest will always be there, from LL0 to LL12. Properly built, it will always be the optimal mech for being anything. For doing anything. And for doing more of anything, oftentimes better than the mech it took its parts from.
The Balor sounds like a really funny mech because with the proper support of teammates (such as with a certain IPS-N mech) the thing would be borderline unkillable outside of something truly whacky like Vlad Combat Drill overkill for 1 billion damage in a single hit. It is literally NANOMACHINES SON! the mech.
Goblin: Sonic is hacking your computer Balor: Hungy Boi Gorgon: *_Caramelldansen intensifies_* Hydra: Obama Simulator 2024 Manticore: Have you ever wanted to pilot a Creeper from the hit game Minecraft (2009)? Pegasus: The preferred mech of the Box Assassin
hehehe I'm playing in a Lancer game, my character is a woman who jumped timelines, to "possess" herself in the prime timeline, the her in this timeline, is a cyborg who has merged with an NHP, she pilots a lich. ((the timeline hop happened in campaign btw... basically gm runs campaign for multiple parties but they're differing timelines, and i switched from one day to another day. aaaand with that pandoras box was opened, Harriet, my character's, goal is to assimilate all versions of herself across the timelines, to gain dominance over time and space... things that have happened in downtime so far: she leeched core power from another timeline, she went back in time to steal an Asura class NHP... oh yeah, she's running an NHP wagon with her lich, the sparks essentially decay hostile frames, as if millenia passed for them
So, bear in mind here, the existence of one of the later built mechs (the Lich) kind of confirms that the mechs aren't named after mythical creatures. They're named after goddamned DnD monsters.
Perhaps, but the idea of Horus just memelording all over blinkspace just feels right. inside jokes and references nobody gets? How does that not fit their aesthetic?
And it's not even some obscure references only Horus gets. No, the chassis and pattern groups made by Horus are named by Union researchers. So not only DnD survived the Fall in some form, but it remains at least decently well-known even to this day.
Liches are mythical creature. Koschei the Deathless is a prime example. They just weren't named liches yet. The archetype of "creature puts its soul into an object" is as old as Egypt.
Lovely to see Horus and it’s mechs, but I’m curious if your planning on tackling the mechs outside of the core rule book or if you were just planning on covering this and then all the other stuff in the book, like the weapons/gear and the talents?
I'd like to cover the big parts of the core stuff first [Initial corps, chassis, Union, etc] Though I am planning on covering the additional frames when discussing their expansion they're attached too. Lich and Kobold for example would be in a discussion of The Long Rim.
I love the balor cause it’s just a gym bro that joined the hacker dudes and the Minotaur cause the antenna below the wormhole look like cute little eyes
Paracausal Basically, it means that something doesn’t obey the laws of physics. For example, Guardians can jump in mid-air, without having anything to push on. they can summon fireballs from nothing, batter you to death with a staff made from lightning, or generate lightning with their bare hands. that's not even touching on their other abilities and gear. "The very fabric of existence bent to his will. Cause and effect faded into a non existent state. For causality held no domain over his lordship, for he was Royalty and Royalty transcends all things."
Something interesting that I noticed is that the Big Four each have a, call it a mechanical tie with each of the four main abilities: IPS-N for Hull, SSC for Agility, Horus for Systems, and HA for Engineering. Each of the Core Systems you get from so many license levels in those companies frames tend to bolster matters related to those abilities. It's a nice touch.
I've always pictured the Pegasus's built in [Not a Gun] as just, every missed shot ever fired. It had to hit something eventually, it might as well have been whoever the pilot picked. We know it is not a Gun, that doesn't mean it isn't ammunition.
I think it might be neat to have a random Horus "designed" munitions randomly be printed when stocking up on bullets, shells, rockets, missiles, mines, etc. Possibly even homebrew up some Paracausal personal transport for people not currently in mechs.
Tldr, its a tabletop RPG akin to DnD (so the whole dungeon master creating a story for its players within the setting is in full effect) with the players being Lancers, aka mercenary mech pilots Oh and said mechs can handily be 3d printed between missions :p Sad thing about the nature of the game though is that most mech only have a single piece of artwork depicting them, and sometimes not even that
I just love the Horus factions design, concept, lore. I really want to get my group to try lancer out, I want to play the Pegasus or the goblin and just make my DM's life a living hell.
So if you want the simple gameplay, go pegasus. If you want to meme with goblin. Here's the game plan to get the most out of the autopod. Step 1: regardless if you're attached to a buddy or not, lock on to a target with your first tech attach. Step 2: invade the locked on target to add damage on top of whatever silly hax you pull. Don't take my word as gospel though. Goblins can be built to do anything they feel like doing.
The gorgon's special move is EXTRUDE BASILISK, creating a data hazard so nasty to look at it stuns both humans and their mechs. The Minotaur is my favourite as a dirtbag support player. Metafold Maze has no initial save or dice roll, you just point at somebody and tell them to fuck off.
@@lechking941 It's less "insanity" and more a reference to some philosopher who clearly missed the point. Basically argued for people to auto-stockholm themselves to menial and repetitive tasks while failing to realize that his analogy was comparing an ironic punishment that was also supposed to be eternal torture thus resulting in the punishment changing if Sisyphus actually started enjoying it. If the analogy was taken to heart then one must also repeatedly jam sharp bits into soft bits everytime happiness in the task is achieved.
@@1gient I do like a little additional idea about sysiphus: imagine one day he manages to do it. He manages to push the rock all the way up and it stays there... and he is now left with nothing to do. No obective, noting at all to strive for... and thus the only thing he CAN do at this point, is to push the boulder back down sooner or later. Because as pointless as it is, it's the only thing he can to do to keep busy for eternity.
@@thorveim1174 He isn't keeping busy, he's literally cursed for having attempted to escape death. Repeatedly. The boulder will _never_ reach the top and he isn't capable of stopping. If he has achieved the unachievable then there are bigger things for him to worry about then what he will do next. Like if some Spartan who looks like a ghost comes to use him to prop up a door. If he could stop pushing the boulder he not only would but he would be attempting yet another escape (which would make it like his fifth or sixth one at that point. Wonder if Hades would ask for Zeus' help at that point. Replace the first murderer in the burning ring that lights the underworld with Sisyphus so he physically can't escape. Hope he's happy being on fire, bet people take great joy when that happens. One simply has to imagine Sisyphus happy as he's used as kindling). So he would be abandoning his literal metaphorical punishment for his metaphorical literal hobby that earned the punishment.
@@1gient Yep but point is, unless he gets released from where he is, pushing the boulder is the only thing he CAN even do.Doesnt mean he like it, but when you have only one way to keep yourself busy, many will take it over an eternity of just sitting and doing nothing. I know its endless torture, but point is even in that there is SOME solace that he gets something to actually work towards. Doesnt mean its pleasant, but there could be worse like an endless more direct torture than the weight of constant failure at an impossible task.
The hydra is a drone that drone that drone that drone that drone. What’s a drone and not a drone? That’s the wrong question. What cannot be a drone is also wrong. What can a drone not do is wrong. For drones are anything are everything and and do anything.
My thinking is that Horus is quite close to paracausal Anonymus- you don't know if they exits, you don't know how they recruit, you see results of their actions mostly (or results of actions they take credit for), anyone can be them anyone could be them, and the most known fact is that they are absolutely disruptive.
Ah another lore video on something ive either never heard of or barely know in passing. 15 minutes later. Well i guess im buying a source book. My bookshelf cant take this much longer
I can confirm that I *really* like drones lol. Even before I really knew anything about the game I've known that when I eventually get to play Lancer Imma play a Hydra with as many drones as possible, possibly dipping into Balor and some other stuff at higher levels
Played a goblin microwave before gm had to plan encounters around the fact that every enemies will be heated to death now i get to play the hydra to be even worse
The thing I find most hilarious about HORUS is that they somehow have the *least* terrifying mechs in the setting. I mean sure their mechs may be barely contained Keter-Class SCPs that weaponize the Bootstrap Paradox and consider linear time to be a rude suggestion, but at least they don’t have a “thermobaric flamethrower” whose purpose is “foliage removal”
You're being very mean to the balor, i've had one for years and every meal i've eaten since i got it i've seasoned with graywash and i'm fine(graywash is very tasty btw)
ra is very roadside picnic
1. arrive without warning
2, ???
3. leave some shit
4. dip
Very much so. Though RA has appeared in one other documented case before in relation to Harrison Armory long after his appearance in Sol. Many more times depending on rumors, myth, and even religions.
@@Zaktact so less roadside picnic and more we're all the toddlers on the playground during recess and Ra is the person there to keep an eye on us
@@robrib2682more like roadside picnic but Harrison chucked a rock at ra's fancy basket and ra got mad.
@@justanidiotmk2749 that's a better analogy, yeah
I like that 2 has a comma instead of a Period
I had a Goblin Frame called Error Data Not Found, it was such an issue for my DM because I took my pilot gear which was a Camo Cloth, curled into a 'fetal position' and sat silently hacking the ENTIRE campaign. The NHP inside who gave itself the name Echo, was so hell bent on just annoying the enemy I didn't even have to 'cycle it.' The only time I ever took damage was in my Everest, the rest of the campaign I spent hiding stunning enemies, unloading their weapons, forcing them to hallucinate, and even made a Lancer Pilot so paranoid he blew itself up.
XD i can bet, its why i like the kobold better, because it at lest is more direct then the goblin. but still just as small
that's so awesome. i would love so much to play a lancer campaign but never had a group for it.
Dont know why your dm would have an issue with that thats the point of the goblin to never take damage
Hence why I want to find a game, play a Goblin as the biggest troll one can think of.
Ok I have to do this when I finally play lancer
My favorite thing about balor is the report from one pilot who described attacking a balor as "fighting angry water". That thing just refuses to die. One of my favourite horus PGs.
Pegasus' gun: You print an Everest. You never chose to install this gun, and never will. But you always have, and always will. Every turn, you do not shoot. But you chose to shoot. It has shot. It will shoot. The gun has killed thousands, millions, an ocean of blood and violence laid at your doorstep. And yet it is pristine, fresh with oil from the post-print assembly, a decorative weapon unfit to actually use that is responsible for every murder ever. Including yours. Your eye twitches. You stare into the open barrel, and within that inky black, you see yourself holding the gun to the head of another you, rifling spiralling around you, leading you towards a future you'll never reach, but you will arrive at.
You print an Everest.
The Ushabti Omnigun does not _shoot._
It simply _hits._
Its is a gun, yet not a gun.
@@AutocraticAnarchy No moving parts required.
Yeah, yah see that gun, yeah…. It’s not real… he’s shooting you with a gun that isn’t real
This is basically how Diavolo keeps dying
Oh boy, is that a Horus vide-
DRINK DEEP AND DESCEND
CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD
This G U N does not exist
My passive is G U N
My active is G U N
My ultimate is G U N
You are in G U N
For is neutral special he wields a G U N
@@Mire-Drive Error: Neutral Special not found.
Detroit:Become Gun
Ushapti Omnigun
1. Doesn't exist
2. Is alive
The G U N knows where it is because the G U N knows where it's not. The G U N knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation.
Thinking about the paracausality of the Pegasus just a little bit more, I've realised that what the Ushabti Omnigun does is erase/ignore/omit/bypass _every single causal event_ involved in the gun's use except for:
1. Pilot decides on a target.
2. Target gets hurt.
The gun does not get aimed. It does not fire. A projectile does not travel.
Based on the gun's flavour text, it even skips the causal prerequisites of _being invented yet_ and (of course) _physically existing on the mech._
It is the basic function of a gun and nothing else.
@@AttaxalotlPlatonic idea of a Gun, even. A lathe upon which all guns are created, no matter how mundane or reality-defying
Mimic Gun is the same thing but bigger
And to think of it.
There is possibly a ship-scale version of that.
@@sanguinraven5672close. The ushabti is the ideal of the gun that all guns are derived from. The mimic gun is every derivative, but it is not the ideal
@@utoro5 Yep, the Naophorous omnigun.
So it's like Anonymous got incarnated as Cthulhu and decided to do gundams about it?
Basically. Like he said, no one really knows what shtick HORUS is after, most of them seem to agree that the Omninet should be an open resource for everyone.
The way I understand them, they’re if the /k/ board (full of gun and military equipment nuts) found / understood Yogg-Saron and in typical 4chan fashion said to themselves “we could make something entertaining out of this”
If they ever got the chance.
Then again, they got the chance, then the chance was destroyed, so they went back into Time to try that chance again, and succeeded with everlasting repercussions.
*Inhales* Sounds like a Tuesday to me.
My heart goes out to every mechanic who has to work on those frames.
"What do you mean, there is no cockpit?"
"Why is the mech looking like a lego set? AND WHY IS THERE FLESH IN AMONG IT?"
Oh, you know, that's just the mech flesh. it's been there since I printed this Everest
"how am I supposed to fix a gun that doesn't exist?"
@@enderskunk7515 AND WHY IS THIS ONE TELLING ME TO DRINK DEEP!?!?!
Ah the Internet armed memelords
In the truest sense of the word meme
Fear us, we have self-aware clippy
For the god emperor
@@AetherialDraconian *Godhead
To briefly explain the two Horus frames not covered in this video
Lich: A Mech that supposedly came from 5000 years in the future and that abuses time travel to keep itself alive by going ‘nu uh you didn’t hit me.’ It can also straight up revive itself it was destroyed once per scene.
Kobold: This little boy is all about terrain manipulation. Create terrain! Blow up terrain, damaging everyone next to it! Make your enemies take damage for being next to terrain! Make your enemies take damage for *not* being next to terrain! Just use your core power to turn into Minecraft Steve for a moment.
All I can think of is a kobald typing in /gamemode creative
Forgot the Calendula, whose whole thing is you isolate your enemies.
As in, you slow them, and if that's not enough, you send them to the shadow realm with your core system EXECRATION OF THE NAMES OF THE UNWORTHY DEAD.
@@draghettis6524 technically, Calendula is made by the Royal Karrakan Foundries, not HORUS
@@draghettis6524 after this duel your going to the shadow realm. I can’t believe they added Merrick
@@aidanbeesley3221 by technicality but it is still a reverse of the minotaur code, thus still a HORUS frame
My favorite thing about the Lich frame is that it literally just appeared out of thin air inside of a group of engineers garage with all the proof that they were the ones that made it despite them actually never having done that. With so much proof even going as far as there being an actual voice mail from them in the files of the frame embedded in their own code.
and it all came from the future too, meaning they have yet to write themselves the blueprints they currently have. And they never received the files, its like they were always there.
Mandela effect anyone?
they didnt even have the system space to have possibly even created the thing, but it was there anyways
That's honestly fucking terrifying
Not even just that either, it was made by them 10,000 years in the future. And yet, here it is.
H0rus as a faction is what sold a friend of mine on Lancer as a hole. Now his brother is planning on running Solstice Rain and Wallflower with us and I will be most likely playing a Gorgon. He originally wanted to go Manticore but he came to the conclusion that he should probably not do his best tesla coil impression when I am standing next to him to give cover.
if he wants to really be funny let him know of kobold
I like Balor so much. From it's ability to hide in plain sight, to it's nanite flaming whip to shroud of green nano-(not)fire... I think I found my main ride in Lancer.
Me to budy, me to.
let's hope the ride doesn't find you first XD
Oh boy! Nanite time!
@@friendlyneighborhoodinquis1682 But what if I want it to find me?!
The manticore really does it for me
A neat way to look at Paracausality or Paracausal tech is "Things that alter the relation between cause and effect." Easiest example would be the blink gates, as they make the effect of traveling through space near instantaneous. Cause: entering blinkspace. Effect: shortening travel between a and b to a near instant speed.
The Ushabti "gun" is Paracausal because due to it not being a gun it still transports the artillery of a weapon that may not exist presently. In this instance it unleashes an effect before any meaningful cause can occur. Meaning that black hole looking thing on the back of a pegasus may be more akin to a 1 way temporal or transdimensional portal, which is why it isn't a gun.
Okay, wait. I thought the black hole was basically a blink gate. Micro-scale blink tech is already a thing.
@@Grizabeebles very well could be! However it still applies the logic that artillery is being fired from an unknown source, messing with the relationship between cause and effect as we humans understand it.
@@Grizabeebleswell, the black hole looking thing is actually the containment field for the... thing. The eldritch horror not-gun. So probably more like the paracausal meta vaults out in space
When a human shoots a target with a pistol, they must first predict where the shot will land then squeeze the trigger, setting off a chain of events that terminate in hitting the target. When the ushabti performs the same task, it starts by hitting the target and then works the rest out through [redacted].
@@Tony-nt5zd exactly, it doesn't shoot you, you've simply been already shot, which is such a cool concept for a reality breaking sci fi weapon. Makes me think of that sword from the Bas Lag books that makes every single possible cut at once, instantly dicing anyone it hits.
Peak comedy saying "it is the one frame(edits in one frame of an explosion) designed to self destruct" seriously kudos on that one 👏 👌
Kept making myself laugh with that one after forgetting about it when first editing it in.
my "who/what is HORUS?" theory is that it's every one of those theories. since they communicate largely via omninet, there's just NHPs and alien horrors working together with "regular human" hackers and they mostly blend together thanks to internet-anonymity and perhaps a culture of not caring about someone's origins / (non-)biology
Seems likely some basic idea on their possible goals might be useful
Seems likely some basic idea on their possible goals might be useful
I agree 👍
I agree, except in my interpretation they aren't even aware of each other at all: H0rus is just one big Stand Alone Complex-style mess of bored script kiddies, omninet 4channers and random criminals, terrorists and impersonators using the name, working separately and never communicating.
And that's just the people in H0rus who don't realize they're part of H0rus. All of the people/NHPS/Eldritch nightmares from beyond who think they actually ARE H0rus are also completely unaware of each other and working separately towards different goals, all convinced all the other 'Real' H0rus groups are just more organized imitators.
But no matter what they do, no matter how tangled the web gets, they are ALL H0rus. All working towards the goals of someone or something directly or indirectly without even knowing what those goals are: The 'True' H0rus.
H0rus is not a group, it's a phenomenon that is also a lie that is also many separate truths that is also a pyramid with a capstone no one knows. H0rus is a snake unaware it's eating it's own tail. And Ouroboros' must devour itself.
The fact that when the word Horus is mentioned, I can only hear LUPRICAAAAAL in my head , scares me.
after the end and the death book 2
all I have for the arch traitor is hatred and fury
@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt they strung up my hawk boy , couldn't even speak his last words
I like to think Horus as "what if the Hackers movie, staring a young Angelina Jolie, was turned into a space organization with mechs"
There are so many moment were I debated putting clips of that film in.
You should look for the cyberpunk game ran during Garycon during the pandemic. Mike Pondsmith runs it, and Matthew Lillard plays his Hacker Character Cereal Killer in it
My wife is considering a Pegasus and you explained HORUS better than I could. We just hit LL2 and had an RP session about obtaining our new mechs. We never got around to her round, so this video is just in time to link her.
You don't obtain Horus mechs, they obtain you
@@domezasrekh3775"KINDRED SOUL..."
to be fair, just appearing in a player's arsenal sounds pretty in character for a horus mech
In my personal setting, HORUS is a company about the truth of the matter. Where the main group is working towards the end goal of their mission, the HORUS pilot knows what the true endgoal is and is preparing for the inevitable, seeming paranoid and unstable.
The oracle that knew the truth, but was cursed with never being believed.
the only HORUS mechs that i say are not born of this madness is kobold, its just a revolt NEEDS to win with what its got so make weapons out of tools
Until slowly cascading Sisyphus makes the pilot predict the unpredictable because it already knows what will happen because it lived through this countless times. (yeah i'm having an idea for a pilot-NHP interaction)
Isn't that the Kasandra? The prophetess who foretold of doom, yet no one believed in until it happened?
@@michelveilleux123 Yes because Apollo is a fickle bitch like rest of the Pantheon. Cassandra was A) given the ability to foretell the future, but when rejected Apollo, she was also B) Cursed to never be believed, even when saw a terrible fate.
@@michelveilleux123 Yep!
If you ever get to the Trade Baronies, I do hope you mention that a Grey Goo swarm that is theorized to be similar to what the Balor utilizes is currently devouring an entire planet whole. Lancer lore does not mess around.
Also the Calendula, for being the closest thing to a horror movie slasher in the game, and the fact that the Baronies can’t figure out exactly when they got it, just that they did.
Also the Kobold, cause they’re just a silly little guy… that melts everything.
Will do
Ah the Calendula, The Minotaur that's Just different enough to be considered a different mech.
the kobold is also a master ambusher whom turns the vary battlefeild into a weapon
Whenever its in danger zone the manticore repeatedly screams "castigate!" In a dalek voice. You cannot convince me otherwise.
Love the Lancer series, covering Horus is a tricky topic but you nailed it!
I like the idea that the Omnigun on Pegasus is a device that causes the target to be hit by a bullet. Not one that fires bullets. But one which simply _causes_ the target to be hit by a (probably 'unrelated') bullet, possibly one falling from space from a conflict centuries ago, possibly a stray shot or ricochet from the fighting nearby, possibly a small metal meteorite or piece of space debris that just happened to arrive, possibly a round of the target's own ammunition detonating mysteriously, possibly a hitherto-unnoticed third party to the conflict shows up and shoots the target for their own reasons at the exact moment the user decides to activate it. Maybe, once in a very long while, it actually appears to produce its own bullet. Where did the bullet come from?
That's how I imagine it, at least.
It just... deals a point of armour-piercing kinetic damage. Unavoidably. _Inevitably._ Without counting as an attack! With a whole "Nothing in this book or any other can prevent or mitigate this damage." line. It seems almost to be making a point that the damage has a type at all...
makes sense considering its NHP manipulates probability lol
God, fuckin love HORUS. Call me a worshipper if you may.
**CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD**
You know Castigate is a meme when you hop on retromini's and find the model of a "castigated" Manticore and think 'ooo lightning effects and stuff..." just to find that it's just the mechs feet smoking at the ankles from when it blew itself sky high.
@@jacobmoorman6323that’s epic
"...and that's the history of Horus"
"Wow! How did you know all that?"
"I made it up"
My source is that I made it the fuck up.
It came to me in a dream.
Me heating up a hotpocket with my microwave.
Microwave is a Manticor: Hi.
Me: Mofo you ate my hotpocket D^:
how the pegasus guns work for me: it hits the enemy. And because you hit that enemy, it means you fired the gun correctly, and pressed the trigger at the right time. Effect becomes cause.
Also i think the biggest narrative hurdle with Horus is that well.. rules say you can just choose a horus license, lore says you cannot. You are chosen for it. But why and by who? no one knows. And it may be better no one knows you got your hands on horus tech either, since some think to get access to a horus license you have to kill it's previous owner...
Some say your mech gets a virus, others say that when you hack with the space 4chan terrorists they get impressed and send you the prints, or who knows, maybe you just found it cause they let blueprints float through the omninet for lols?? You don't need narrative for life's strange chaotic twists, if anything it's a cracked door, begging to be opened.
Maybe getting a license rules wise is like this. Since you have Horus stuff in the future it must mean you have license for it and since you didn’t have it before and you have it after this it must mean you get the license in that moment so therefore you get a license that technically does exist but only when it is needed. I know it doesn’t make sense but it doesn’t need to be considering how some of the Horus stuff works.
I love the Pegasus. For me, it’s all about thinking so hard that you just stop thinking so hard, in favor of doing “the thing” with “the thing”. Is it a concept? You want it to happen? It happened. Next thing.
"You shot that guy!"
"With what gun?"
"That...oh. You still killed that guy somehow"
"What guy?"
In a future video can you please touch on the Platonic Ideal of mecha combat that is an Everest dual-weilding Assault Rifles?
Every other mech is built around a gimmick. An Everest just kills you.
Evvy's gimmick is that it's so basic you can mix-and-match it like a lego build. It's the Mr. Potato Head of mechs.
its your top of the line do it all jack of trades that you can live by if you so please.@@onionero
Reminds me when i first started, had no idea what was going on so I thought I was going to be basic and stay in everest for the entire game (character had very little memory, which gave me a lot of fun rp moments... and nutrino bars) but then I found deathshead... and I became a glass cannon with a gm that plays really smart enemies... first to shoot, first to blow up... but could not die, miss you sniper
@@aliens109 -- I'm just enamoured with how "reliable" weapons guarantee kills on enemies with 1hp.
Add in an ASURA and an extra mount and you can double that loadout to 4.
Everest will always be there, from LL0 to LL12. Properly built, it will always be the optimal mech for being anything. For doing anything. And for doing more of anything, oftentimes better than the mech it took its parts from.
The Balor sounds like a really funny mech because with the proper support of teammates (such as with a certain IPS-N mech) the thing would be borderline unkillable outside of something truly whacky like Vlad Combat Drill overkill for 1 billion damage in a single hit.
It is literally NANOMACHINES SON! the mech.
It only has 4 heat cap ;_;
You don’t usually find a Horus chassis, they tends to find you. 🙃
These mechs look so weird, and their powers are just strange. I like how different they are from the corporations.
i love em soly because logic1.exe does not exist for them they run on their own logic.
Goblin: Sonic is hacking your computer
Balor: Hungy Boi
Gorgon: *_Caramelldansen intensifies_*
Hydra: Obama Simulator 2024
Manticore: Have you ever wanted to pilot a Creeper from the hit game Minecraft (2009)?
Pegasus: The preferred mech of the Box Assassin
I just love the editing at 0:20 to forshadow the weirdness of Horus. The sound, the visual choices, the pause. mwha chefs kiss
Happy you like it.
3:40 Wait a second...THATS THE ISHTAR ACADEMY! That would be an amazing heist mission! XD
Thank you for this video!
Remember, no headshot.
I'd say no paradox, but NHP be weird.
hehehe I'm playing in a Lancer game, my character is a woman who jumped timelines, to "possess" herself in the prime timeline, the her in this timeline, is a cyborg who has merged with an NHP, she pilots a lich. ((the timeline hop happened in campaign btw... basically gm runs campaign for multiple parties but they're differing timelines, and i switched from one day to another day.
aaaand with that pandoras box was opened, Harriet, my character's, goal is to assimilate all versions of herself across the timelines, to gain dominance over time and space...
things that have happened in downtime so far: she leeched core power from another timeline, she went back in time to steal an Asura class NHP...
oh yeah, she's running an NHP wagon with her lich, the sparks essentially decay hostile frames, as if millenia passed for them
...how did i get here and why am i craving LANCER lore now?
Algorithm
You drunk deep
And
D E S C E N D E D
Drink deep and descend.
You’ll be clicking on the video…
6:40 hey that's an XO-16! That's a titan!
So, bear in mind here, the existence of one of the later built mechs (the Lich) kind of confirms that the mechs aren't named after mythical creatures.
They're named after goddamned DnD monsters.
Eh it is 6 thousand years from now plenty of time for them to become myth, plus the Slavic nation's had a dude who is just a lich
Perhaps, but the idea of Horus just memelording all over blinkspace just feels right. inside jokes and references nobody gets? How does that not fit their aesthetic?
And it's not even some obscure references only Horus gets.
No, the chassis and pattern groups made by Horus are named by Union researchers.
So not only DnD survived the Fall in some form, but it remains at least decently well-known even to this day.
Liches are mythical creature. Koschei the Deathless is a prime example. They just weren't named liches yet. The archetype of "creature puts its soul into an object" is as old as Egypt.
Use COMP/CON and switch the motif to Horus, and you'll see that horus might not be too far off from a 4chan sponsored ims board.
Lovely to see Horus and it’s mechs, but I’m curious if your planning on tackling the mechs outside of the core rule book or if you were just planning on covering this and then all the other stuff in the book, like the weapons/gear and the talents?
I'd like to cover the big parts of the core stuff first [Initial corps, chassis, Union, etc] Though I am planning on covering the additional frames when discussing their expansion they're attached too. Lich and Kobold for example would be in a discussion of The Long Rim.
@@Zaktact ah, got it. Thanks for the explanation. Also looking forward to when you get to the Long Rim
My favorite crackhead techno cult network
I love the balor cause it’s just a gym bro that joined the hacker dudes and the Minotaur cause the antenna below the wormhole look like cute little eyes
So there’s a mech suit entirely based on Schrödinger’s glock?…. Im in
Paracausal
Basically, it means that something doesn’t obey the laws of physics. For example, Guardians can jump in mid-air, without having anything to push on.
they can summon fireballs from nothing, batter you to death with a staff made from lightning, or generate lightning with their bare hands. that's not even touching on their other abilities and gear.
"The very fabric of existence bent to his will. Cause and effect faded into a non existent state. For causality held no domain over his lordship, for he was Royalty and Royalty transcends all things."
It may not be that horus, but it is definitely heresy
Paracausal was not something I was expecting to see outside of destiny _and you have my attention._
I discover your channel through Lancer, and boy oh boy, I'm loving your videos about it
The Pegasus gives big Evangelion energy.
Something interesting that I noticed is that the Big Four each have a, call it a mechanical tie with each of the four main abilities: IPS-N for Hull, SSC for Agility, Horus for Systems, and HA for Engineering. Each of the Core Systems you get from so many license levels in those companies frames tend to bolster matters related to those abilities. It's a nice touch.
Goblin making you overheat?
Making you waste movement?
Pull him out and structure him.
Loving these videos! I only recently discovered Lancer and it is now the ONLY thing I want to play.
This series has been amazing so far. I would love to see a shorter video on GMS I could send to my new players
Oooo. I was looking forward to this one just from the hints dropped in other videos.
I've always pictured the Pegasus's built in [Not a Gun] as just, every missed shot ever fired. It had to hit something eventually, it might as well have been whoever the pilot picked. We know it is not a Gun, that doesn't mean it isn't ammunition.
13:29 That was the loudest I've laughed in a WHILE. I WAS NOT EXPECTING THAT
I think it might be neat to have a random Horus "designed" munitions randomly be printed when stocking up on bullets, shells, rockets, missiles, mines, etc. Possibly even homebrew up some Paracausal personal transport for people not currently in mechs.
everytime I see the word horus i just scream internally: "HORUS YOU TRAITOR"
Horus is my favorite for sure. I’m hoping to find one one day
Oh don't worry, a HORUS mech has found you, it just doesnt exist yet
No idea what I've come across. I've never even HEARD of Lancer until now.
But those designs are gnarly as heck :O
Tldr, its a tabletop RPG akin to DnD (so the whole dungeon master creating a story for its players within the setting is in full effect) with the players being Lancers, aka mercenary mech pilots
Oh and said mechs can handily be 3d printed between missions :p
Sad thing about the nature of the game though is that most mech only have a single piece of artwork depicting them, and sometimes not even that
Kill Six Billion Demons.
A webcomic for people who enjoy these kind of designs.
Man I love all the Warhammer 40K references and honestly thank you for introducing me to a new setting that I am now obsessed with
Its wild how long it took me to get to this video, I kept finding myself at the RUclips main page for some reason. Almost like I was in a maze?
I just love the Horus factions design, concept, lore. I really want to get my group to try lancer out, I want to play the Pegasus or the goblin and just make my DM's life a living hell.
So if you want the simple gameplay, go pegasus. If you want to meme with goblin. Here's the game plan to get the most out of the autopod.
Step 1: regardless if you're attached to a buddy or not, lock on to a target with your first tech attach.
Step 2: invade the locked on target to add damage on top of whatever silly hax you pull.
Don't take my word as gospel though. Goblins can be built to do anything they feel like doing.
The gorgon's special move is EXTRUDE BASILISK, creating a data hazard so nasty to look at it stuns both humans and their mechs.
The Minotaur is my favourite as a dirtbag support player. Metafold Maze has no initial save or dice roll, you just point at somebody and tell them to fuck off.
oh hell yeah another channel that talks about LANCER
yeah horus is FUN. weird paracausal mecha collective is a hell of an aesthetic
Yo guys new hor-os IV sistem coming out tomorrow!!!im so exited
The 'face' of the Gorgon reminds me of the Blinding monsters from Midst.
The only thing we know about horus is that they are inside our walls
So if Harrison Armories is Mechwarrior/Titanfall and SSC is Gundam, then Horus is Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Where is my gun that turns my opponents into orange soda
most Horus mechs are pattern groups but goblin mechs are a standard pattern
Whoever decided Sisyphus must be happy completely missed the point of why he's rolling the boulder _and_ the point of torment.
eh insanity does that to ya.
@@lechking941 It's less "insanity" and more a reference to some philosopher who clearly missed the point. Basically argued for people to auto-stockholm themselves to menial and repetitive tasks while failing to realize that his analogy was comparing an ironic punishment that was also supposed to be eternal torture thus resulting in the punishment changing if Sisyphus actually started enjoying it. If the analogy was taken to heart then one must also repeatedly jam sharp bits into soft bits everytime happiness in the task is achieved.
@@1gient I do like a little additional idea about sysiphus: imagine one day he manages to do it. He manages to push the rock all the way up and it stays there... and he is now left with nothing to do. No obective, noting at all to strive for... and thus the only thing he CAN do at this point, is to push the boulder back down sooner or later. Because as pointless as it is, it's the only thing he can to do to keep busy for eternity.
@@thorveim1174 He isn't keeping busy, he's literally cursed for having attempted to escape death. Repeatedly. The boulder will _never_ reach the top and he isn't capable of stopping. If he has achieved the unachievable then there are bigger things for him to worry about then what he will do next. Like if some Spartan who looks like a ghost comes to use him to prop up a door. If he could stop pushing the boulder he not only would but he would be attempting yet another escape (which would make it like his fifth or sixth one at that point. Wonder if Hades would ask for Zeus' help at that point. Replace the first murderer in the burning ring that lights the underworld with Sisyphus so he physically can't escape. Hope he's happy being on fire, bet people take great joy when that happens. One simply has to imagine Sisyphus happy as he's used as kindling). So he would be abandoning his literal metaphorical punishment for his metaphorical literal hobby that earned the punishment.
@@1gient Yep but point is, unless he gets released from where he is, pushing the boulder is the only thing he CAN even do.Doesnt mean he like it, but when you have only one way to keep yourself busy, many will take it over an eternity of just sitting and doing nothing.
I know its endless torture, but point is even in that there is SOME solace that he gets something to actually work towards. Doesnt mean its pleasant, but there could be worse like an endless more direct torture than the weight of constant failure at an impossible task.
"What the hell is Horus? You're asking the wrong question. What the hell isn't Horus!?" ~ 11DragonKid
I enjoyed this video very much. Gave me an idea for a fun house dungeon in Lancer.
Terrifying and exciting
I love your Lancer video man. I'm about to start a Lancer campaign with some argentine friends and your videos really help.
Happy to hear these videos are a help.
That's not fire. That's nanomachines, son!
The hydra is a drone that drone that drone that drone that drone. What’s a drone and not a drone? That’s the wrong question. What cannot be a drone is also wrong. What can a drone not do is wrong. For drones are anything are everything and and do anything.
My thinking is that Horus is quite close to paracausal Anonymus- you don't know if they exits, you don't know how they recruit, you see results of their actions mostly (or results of actions they take credit for), anyone can be them anyone could be them, and the most known fact is that they are absolutely disruptive.
Horus mechs describe how I feel when comparing an Evangelion to an Armored Core.
If i had a coin for every time a horus messed up with eldrich shit , id have 2 coins wich is wierd that has happened twice
Ah another lore video on something ive either never heard of or barely know in passing.
15 minutes later. Well i guess im buying a source book.
My bookshelf cant take this much longer
This video just got dropped on my page after wishing I had something OTHER than warhammer so thank you! Starting my deep dive with your videos
LET THE PEAS BOIL.
So: HORUS works on Eldritch Horror technology. Which could be considered improper, perhaps even _heretical_
even heretical...
I can confirm that I *really* like drones lol. Even before I really knew anything about the game I've known that when I eventually get to play Lancer Imma play a Hydra with as many drones as possible, possibly dipping into Balor and some other stuff at higher levels
Played a goblin microwave before gm had to plan encounters around the fact that every enemies will be heated to death now i get to play the hydra to be even worse
Gotta love how the minotaur has a pocketdimension for a cockpit but carries a fucking shotgun on the artwork
I've been waiting for this video
The thing I find most hilarious about HORUS is that they somehow have the *least* terrifying mechs in the setting. I mean sure their mechs may be barely contained Keter-Class SCPs that weaponize the Bootstrap Paradox and consider linear time to be a rude suggestion, but at least they don’t have a “thermobaric flamethrower” whose purpose is “foliage removal”
You're being very mean to the balor, i've had one for years and every meal i've eaten since i got it i've seasoned with graywash and i'm fine(graywash is very tasty btw)
Been using a Gorgon in my first ever game and I love her so much
My head cannon is that Horus are actually the people on the moon that Ra took and basically use them as his eyes and ears in real space
Omg he liked it
I just 3d printed a Casket with an Osiris in it from a printerfile that was suddenly just appeared in a print without any guidance or manual :P
Wont lie i have no idea what this lore is even talking about but im going to watch the whole vid cause i like mechs and eldritch abominations
LANCER a ttrpg. Though I do understand the interest in eldritch abominations.
Been loving playing with the Hydra, so much fun.
HORUS gang!
Damn Ive been eating up the lore recently, I wish I could actually find a group who runs this system
I know same problem funny enough lancer has a lot of lets play groups
My favorite satanic hackers.
I always thought Horus centered around a machine God that no one could find more than an organization.
Good to learn something knew.