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Not a word on alien isolation? Isn't it a modern game that relies heavily on stealth?

Stealth sucks because game devs and higher ups think everyone wants to spend hundreds of hours in a game so we keep getting huge open worlds with “stealth” being simplified to breaking line of sight and hiding in a bush.

I feel like stealth should be more like a real time puzzle game

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The absolute worst thing about From Software is their fandom. If you say anything negative about their games, they start frothing at the mouth going "RRREEEEEE!!!" and cancel you. I am not a fan of From Software. I do not like Dark Souls or the Souls-like genre. But I am a fan of Armored Core, and have been since the 90s, but I strongly dislike AC6. I respect AC6 for what it is: an entry-level installment to the franchise to onboard a new generation of fans, but at the end of the day it's Armored Souls, not Armored Core. I feel FromSoftware's recent success is both largely circumstantial and from people turning a blind eye to its flaws. AAA games were trending towards being easier during the 2000s, and people were getting bored with easy games. Then Demon Souls and subsequently Dark Souls came around to give people what they craved. Classic Armored Core games used to get panned all the time for being too hard and overwhelming, but I would say they're far more fair than any Souls game. People just don't like mechs for some weird reason. I see souls-like games as a peek into the past on how games used to be: unfair. Games used to be unfair by design because it was a holdover from the days of the arcades. Arcades were made to consume as many of your quarters as possible, it was good business. It's how things were, but that doesn't make it good, right, or acceptable. It wasn't good then, and it doesn't mean it's good now. Dark Souls only saving grace is its abuse of respawning. You don't have to pay quarters to start over from the very beginning every time you die. I also feel Miyazaki has turned From Software game design from being "overall challenging with resource management to encourage smart gameplay," to just "kick your ass with broken boss fights." This approach is heavily showcased in AC6. Nobody talks about X mission in AC6, or debt, or heat, or ECM, they only talk about bosses. This approach to game design has led to difficulty spikes instead of difficulty progression, and most of the bosses also amount to little more than damage sponges, and IMO, all of that is objectively bad game design.

Being overly used to this fake stealth is the reason why BigF(C)ry can't play "The Forever Winter" properly dies and then insists that he is playing stealthily and then blames the game...

I think the first spiderman game butchered it’s otherwise great stealth by making it so if you whipe put the first wave of an enemys camp completely stealth, bot only there’s still the other waves, which makes using stealth less rewarding, but also every enemy of the second wave instantly knows, where you are, despite being 100% stealth.

Imo splinter cell chaos theory is the best stealth game experience there is. There are a multitude of ways and paths to play levels. You can play around the ambient noise, shadows and line of sight. While being spotted doesn’t usually mean game over, you can deal get yourself out of a sticky situation but the alarm level means that it’ll get a bit more difficult moving forward as a punishment for being a bit careless. Definitely hallmarks of a good modern stealth game in my opinion. Ps. Invisible inc would’ve been a good turn based stealth game if it didn’t have the constantly rising alarm system in play. You can be as sneaky as you can and avoid all of the security systems and enemy line of sight, but after a set amount of turns, the alarm level just raises.

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I want a stealth game where you can possess and control one person at a time, or even shape-shift into them. Basically Destroy All Humans but as a dedicated stealth game.

Erm... Sekiro anyone? I thought Sekiro was the perfect blend of stealth & action.

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𝗪𝗵𝘆 𝗦𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗵 𝗗𝗼𝗲𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝗦𝘂𝗰𝗸 𝗶𝗻 𝗚𝗵𝗼𝘀𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝗧𝘀𝘂𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗺𝗮 Not everyone has the memory, dexterity and agility to survive battles against multiple enemies. Stealth is 𝗴𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁 for low level gamers, people with short term memory loss, arthritis or other mobility issues. Stealth sucks if you don't like stealth. While stealth is forced in some GoT quests, its use is not required most of the time.

i hope "forever winter" will be a good turn on the stealth game genre

Does alien: isolation count as a stealth game? Did it do it well? Is horror the best place to do stealth? Dead by daylight stealth? Outlast?

I think to the balancing of stealth. I like how Metal Gear Solid did it, The more you use one tactic. the more the enemy plans around it. Say you use sleeping gas in a game. Maybe enemies put on gasmasks when they get alerted to your presence. But say you use headshots only, maybe enemies start using helmets more that absorb your shots. Have them adapt to how you play when they detect that style. If you get undetected 100% of the time with no enemy engagements, then....no counter to any tactics until you start over using them.

if there is a stealth mechanic i always play through a game stealth first, if its a good game i'd try again not so stealth. like cyberpunk, beat it all stealth and really became one of my faves when it first released.

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Sam Fisher made me fall in love with stealth.

does anyone know what game this is - 6:14 ?

There was also ghostrunner that went for stealth+parkour where ennemies were competent and you had to route then execute the perfect path to finish a level. Also Echo, that went for stealth+horror and as a result... was waaaaaay to stressfull for me to play. I feel like there's room for other stealth+something. Like stealth + strategy for example ( like that water wraith level in pikmin 2). Speaking of which : stealth in strategy games is often a very fun mechanic to play with, especially when it have clear counters. Zero-k have really fun stealth that breaks on a proximity with ennemy basis. SupCom have two layers of stealth, being invisible on radar and being invisible on line of sight. Radar even, when it doesn't go through terrain, can allow for stealthy moments. But yeah, I loved the Mimimi games (arguably the last one was meh, being able to make your own crew meant levels were designed with less care), learned with this video that the studio closed. It's kinda sad.

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Anyone willing to yap about ragdoll physics in games deserves a sub.

I like when what clothes you wear actually affects it

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one of the most fun games i ever played, the cycle frontier(canceled now) relied on stealth to a massive degree. the main difference here i think is that it was pvp, and thus to be stealthy you had to be silent and behind cover. also: valorant is arguably about stealth. like i think stealth works way better in multiplayer and its way more fun to hide behind a corner to kill someone who has way better gear than you, or snipe someone who wasnt properly stealthy

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Hey man, love the video, just a thought: you should try to vary the tone of youre voice more when you speak. I think that it would make your videos more engaging and interesting

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You forgot about GTFO. It has sound based stealth and if you break it, you are basically dead unless you have a plan. Sometimes doors have alarms that attract ennemies, forcing you to fight but the combat is so unforgiving and fast paced that you cannot go loud every room, and the basically forced stealth makes you be able to take a breather after a big fight.

Damn i miss tenchu. They would check hiding spots and even stab some of them to try and fish you out. You can add control by adding tracking but limited. As in you know the location of enemies within a limited range and that info states and does not update. Meaning you need to "listen" again for enemies. Have enemy conversations that the player can hear. Also you SHOULD suck at normal combat. That is why you are a assassin. Poison, deception, camouflage, darkness, smoke, timing (kill them when they take a piss). Enemies should be very aware of you in later levels. That someone is killing them. So their patrols should be actively checking hiding spots, along with more enemies.

Batman Arkham series gives me an idea of what stealth needs… In those games you alternate between massive combat battles that put you into flow state, and stealth mission that are the opposite of “flow”… we need a stealth flow state game… I don’t know how that can be incorporated, but devs definitely need to solve this puzzle… co-op stealth is a bit more rewarding because you and your partner achieve a sort of duel flow link… there’s a reason why Tenchu and splinter cell double agent are some of the best stealth games ever… the co-op made them unique… Army if two had an interesting stealth component as well… one loud player drawing all aggro while the silent partner flanks…

There aren’t many things better than making it through a MGS area completely unseen

Great video

Ghost Recon Breakpoint actually did stealth really well. The enemies do so much damage that your best option for most bases us stealth.

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I dont care what people say about stealth, sniper elite is goated

people who can’t do stealth are just so impatient

Not a totally necessary playstyle in the series but can lead to the better of two endings each game, but I really like stealth in the Metro game series. Ammo in that game is really, *really* limited depending on the difficulty you choose, meaning you’re often stuck with one or two clips at a time and that’s it. No special wallhacks or abilities either, just you and your guns. It integrates your player visibility via a light indicator on the watch your character wears. Day/Night cycle in Metro: Exodus, and lots of sneaky paths through levels in all three games that you still have to be very careful with executing. Stealth is way more often than not encouraged so as to save ammo and avoid combat in higher difficulties due to dying pretty easily. Can sneak around the monsters too. Overall a more realistic stealth experience that I quite like

Games all about stealth often suck for me, example thief. Stealth as an option in games is very fun, example Far Cry. EDIT: Also i feel there is two types of stealth, passive and active. Passive stealth games like Thief is alot of waiting for windows and if you mess up you are screwed. Active stealth games like Farcry makes you move around and try to actively kill targets/reach goals while avoiding/attracting as much trouble as you want. No matter what you arent totally screwed. I loved going stealth in Farcry 5 for example because i felt like a special ops personel. In thief i felt crippled, weak and forced in my approach. Dishonored is somewhere in the middle of these games.

It's only a mechanic, but in Fallout 3, the game primarily focuses on action, however, if you successfully pull of what is called a sneak critical the damage you deal is massively increased even beyond that of an ordinary critical hit. and it is really rewarding when you're about to have to fight a really strong enemy and then don't because they are put to death with a sneak critical. It's still based off of chance but its an interesting route for stealth.

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Sniper Elite 3 was awesome. After I played it through I challenged myself to play the first mission again, but my goal was to kill every enemy without ever get spotted. It took me 4 hours. 🙈

From what Ive noticed throughout my 2 decades of gaming, it feels like Bethesda really mainstreamed making stealth a feature and not a genre. Also, in some ways World of Warcraft, since you can play a rogue with stealth but the game doesnt force you to go that route. The first time I really noticed stealth as a "feature" that worked well was Skyrim. I think stealth games are cool, but I KNOW business is business, and instead of passion, a lot of the times now it's for the money, and even if devs are passionate, they get a budget and they have a projected sale goal, with execs breathing down their neck. Point is, everything is mainstreamed and generalized to appeal to as big of an audience as possible. This in result turned a TON of genres into features. Things cant survive on their own so the people who appreciated those things find ways to integrate it in ways people at broad can enjoy them. In conclusion, supporting Indy companies is a great way to revitalize these "features" back into genres.

The Thief reboot... The original Thief trilogy (even though they're 3 significantly different games), the Splinter Cell trilogy, and Styx (to a lesser extent) hold up very well. I would say Hitman has gone the modern route of stealth; so, it's odd that you included it as if it's on the level of Thief Gold. Regarding slowness being a prerequisite, Payday 2 is one of the better stealth experiences, and that's because it can be fast-paced. It's kind of humorous that you show Thief (reboot) when talking about "someone you didn't even know was there." That game has bad sound design compared to the original trilogy, and they replaced good sound with wallhacks, meaning you can "see where all of the sources of danger are." That ability to see the danger makes the game worse. It's odd that you didn't talk about audio design in a video titled "Why Stealth Sucks." That's the biggest flaw of modern stealth.

I think an example of good stealth is in mw2 (2022) with the remake of ghillie up and alone both perfect

Seems like stealkth is either ridiculously over powered, or a terrible option. And there is a very small gray area for those of us with the patience.

Dishonored 2 implemented stealth perfectly. Play on a high enough difficulty so head on combat is dangerous enough that you need to try and avoid. Building your character so you have ways to deal with different situations, a power or tool that allows you to take down multiple targets at once, a way to escape safely if you get spotted and relocate etc.. A good stealth game is about being able to plan ahead so you can overcome different situations effectively, and rewards you for finding creative solutions. If you dislike stealth games then you're probably just going about it all wrong.

As for the listening to podcasts while playing point, i'm just gonna say, i probably spent 300-600 hours listening to audiobooks and online lectures while playing MGSV in 2015-2017, so yeah...