Damn that was a powerful story from Niel and a crazy ahh pun from you at the end lmaoooo His encounter is exactly why I don't jump to tell strangers I make music or do art purely because that reaction is universal. "Lady of the evening" is crazy work lmao
Of course video games are art. Every form of art known to man is involved in creating games: concept art, level design, writing, music, acting etc… anyone who says otherwise has never played a damn video game. The reason people still look down on gaming, is how it was marketed to us in the 80’s and 90’s. After the crash, Nintendo came up with a way to market their product, by advertising it as a “toy” to young boys. That stigma has stuck, but only people completely ignorant to gaming still think this.
Ummm... That brief clip of Andrew Klaven was a video of him(Right wing) explain how games are great and aren't responsible for making it's players (GTA) likely to commit crimes
@@Kryptic_sx ? Think it was more about US conservatives' love for guns and waging war randomly against completely non threatening nations (whilst cowering away from any nation that can at least KINDA defend itself.... look at Trump proclaiming NATO should abandon eastern europe and let Putin do whatever he wants because "it ain't America's business" (unless it's a half tribal nation with no nuclear arsenal, then it's 100% America's business)
All I can think of is the conservative stereotypes; religious, blue collar, hard working, traditional kind of people. They work around the clock either in a suit, or with their hands in careers that are less artistic and more practical and enjoy things like sports. I know this is a huge simplification and does not embody an entire group of people, but liberals are more likely to be artistic, thus work and play in those realms.
Amazing video man, honestly you put it perfectly. The more I see people praising cinematic games as if they are the only good games just because they resemble movies, the more I think we need to stop comparing this media as if it was a lesser one Also, gaming has another barrier besides skill, the very act of playing is difficult. Most people who engage in this conversation have been playing since they were kids and might not remember, but for anyone trying games for the first time, be it on M&K or a controller, they'll have a hard time, every game will be challenging for them
There is something artistically beautiful about experiencing the story, combat, and atmosphere yourself rather than seeing someone else experience it. That is something I'd say are unique to video-games. It definitely is an artform.
Just came across ur channel today and im digging your vids. Very well scripted - i like the choice your vocab and the way you speak - very descriptive but well-informed. Subbed and plan on sticking around!
I’m having this identity crisis lately with whether or not I’m a loser for enjoying video games at 24 years old. Online, playing video games is applauded the older you get whereas in real life, it seems the more socially unaccepted gaming is the older you are. I see all these RUclips game reviewers in their thirties and forties making content online and I always question how they remain so confident and at peace with reviewing/discussing video games as a living. Do they experience regret for choosing this career? Do they feel socially ostracized around their friends/families for having a non-conforming career? Do they feel like an adult? Do they feel like they have “made it” in life? I love gaming. State of Plays and Showcases are the equivalent to Super Bowls to me and I don’t even watch Football. I’m just at a crossroad where I’m getting older and it seems the interest I like are getting more ridiculed by society the older I get.
Genuinely I think the best thing to do is not give it too much thought. Grown adults who judge other people for having hobbies and interests that are different from their own typically aren't the kind of people whose approval means much. If you like this stuff, you like it, don't worry about if that's cool to other people. There'll always be places to express that enjoyment even if it's not with the people immediately around you. Hope you find some closure on all this, it's not worth overthinking your interests and losing them just because you think people will think you're a little lame. Keep your head up buddy
Had that feeling too but realized that at some point we all gotta let go of that need for approval & realize that good art will remain good art regardless. There are tons of adults with good following who make videos about comic books & shonen (for teens) anime & manga. It's all cool.
About your Stan Lee comment, he was a kid when he started. Of course he's gonna be insecure about the social perception of his job. Doesn't mean he doesn't share Neil gaiman's perspective.
To me video games are a celebration of all creative fields. No other medium is able to incorporate such a breadth of creative aspects, so when people dismiss video games - in my eyes they're dismissing art itself. Also the demonisation of video games have no legitimacy. D&D went through the same circumstances, where it was even claimed to be a literal satanic cult. We have evidence AGAINST the accusations - both violence and addiction - but the claims were never about truth, they were about fear. Parents are incredibly susceptible to fears that involve their children going down the wrong path, and so easy to incite. If you look back you'll notice that the media drives the fear, and then the parents take on the fear and in turn drive the media, and then the claim gets legitimacy. It's a nasty cycle that benefits profits and personal agenda's. Quite often these things start because someone simply doesn't like something. People can be miserably cruel over the most inane things and it blows my mind.
Boring topic but correct take 🤓 Also I find it funny that the people pandering to gamers like Geoff often use the "games are bigger than movies and all those stuff combined" line, but they'll also keep acting like mobile games aren't real games, even though the biggest part of games being bigger than everthing else is thanks to a lot of awfully designed mobile games. And as a bonus the media then doesn't have the tool to analyse those awful designs (and what's differentiating them from better ones) when they get into the games they're playing, because they have no experience with them.
Agree on the fairly boring topic, but it's one that I think gets dragged into gloomy/negative territory pretty often so I wanted to send it in another direction. Was gonna be a quicker vid, got a little longer cause I didn't have my mic for a few weeks and kept punching in new ideas into it lol. Still had a fun time with it Mobile gaming is a huge chunk of the revenue share that's true, and yeah you could argue a lot of it is garbage. But I see it like youtube. There's tons of weird throwaway half baked repetitive stuff on here (could never be me 👀) that keep people on the site longer, just like a lot of mobile games quickly capture people's attention and them they hop on to the next one. To me that proves that people want to engage with it in the first place, and while they might end up playing a lot of boring slop they still want to play games at the end of the day. So I'd still consider the figure relevant to the interest in games overall, even if it's a lot of bottom of the barrel stuff
@@AsadAnjum Oh yeah yeah, and tbf even when it's good mobile games, gamers and press don't really care about them, with a few rare exceptions. It's just funny because it's basically "I don't care about you but I'll still take credit for your success" :D
Keep making videos man. You're starting to make it into the yt recommended algorithm. Just please don't make it political (not that you have) Neenah we need less reasons to divide and more to come together
Damn that was a powerful story from Niel and a crazy ahh pun from you at the end lmaoooo
His encounter is exactly why I don't jump to tell strangers I make music or do art purely because that reaction is universal.
"Lady of the evening" is crazy work lmao
Of course video games are art. Every form of art known to man is involved in creating games: concept art, level design, writing, music, acting etc… anyone who says otherwise has never played a damn video game. The reason people still look down on gaming, is how it was marketed to us in the 80’s and 90’s. After the crash, Nintendo came up with a way to market their product, by advertising it as a “toy” to young boys. That stigma has stuck, but only people completely ignorant to gaming still think this.
I will never understand why conservative outlets hate video games so much. You’d think they’d love FPS games at least…
Mass murder joke
Ummm... That brief clip of Andrew Klaven was a video of him(Right wing) explain how games are great and aren't responsible for making it's players (GTA) likely to commit crimes
@@Kryptic_sx ? Think it was more about US conservatives' love for guns and waging war randomly against completely non threatening nations (whilst cowering away from any nation that can at least KINDA defend itself.... look at Trump proclaiming NATO should abandon eastern europe and let Putin do whatever he wants because "it ain't America's business" (unless it's a half tribal nation with no nuclear arsenal, then it's 100% America's business)
@@aw2584 could’ve been
All I can think of is the conservative stereotypes; religious, blue collar, hard working, traditional kind of people. They work around the clock either in a suit, or with their hands in careers that are less artistic and more practical and enjoy things like sports. I know this is a huge simplification and does not embody an entire group of people, but liberals are more likely to be artistic, thus work and play in those realms.
Amazing video man, honestly you put it perfectly. The more I see people praising cinematic games as if they are the only good games just because they resemble movies, the more I think we need to stop comparing this media as if it was a lesser one
Also, gaming has another barrier besides skill, the very act of playing is difficult. Most people who engage in this conversation have been playing since they were kids and might not remember, but for anyone trying games for the first time, be it on M&K or a controller, they'll have a hard time, every game will be challenging for them
Your second point is a big one, I totally missed that one but you're right. Understanding how to use a controller is not easy when you're new to it.
16:28 flip that gets switched is now permanently in my vocabulary
How'd I never notice that lmao
Underrated channel man!
This is well-written and edited. Not to mension, the substance resonantes with me.
2.4 thousand views when it should be 2.4 million. Good job man. Hope you get the success you deserve.
There is something artistically beautiful about experiencing the story, combat, and atmosphere yourself rather than seeing someone else experience it. That is something I'd say are unique to video-games. It definitely is an artform.
Just came across ur channel today and im digging your vids. Very well scripted - i like the choice your vocab and the way you speak - very descriptive but well-informed. Subbed and plan on sticking around!
118 million people had the game awards streaming on their second monitor
Definitely could do without the celebrity speeches at the awards shows. Let me hear from the people who make the games
Great Video Brother, severely underrated video essay.
Great video man. Klavan clip for the win.
That's what I'm saying Andrew Klaven is a hardcore gamer
Hot Gandalf always giving us tomorrow's news today
This is an interesting topic that I've seen quite a few videos on. Excited to hear your take.
Hope I didn't disappoint you lmao
@@AsadAnjum Not at all
I’m having this identity crisis lately with whether or not I’m a loser for enjoying video games at 24 years old.
Online, playing video games is applauded the older you get whereas in real life, it seems the more socially unaccepted gaming is the older you are. I see all these RUclips game reviewers in their thirties and forties making content online and I always question how they remain so confident and at peace with reviewing/discussing video games as a living.
Do they experience regret for choosing this career?
Do they feel socially ostracized around their friends/families for having a non-conforming career?
Do they feel like an adult?
Do they feel like they have “made it” in life?
I love gaming. State of Plays and Showcases are the equivalent to Super Bowls to me and I don’t even watch Football. I’m just at a crossroad where I’m getting older and it seems the interest I like are getting more ridiculed by society the older I get.
Genuinely I think the best thing to do is not give it too much thought. Grown adults who judge other people for having hobbies and interests that are different from their own typically aren't the kind of people whose approval means much. If you like this stuff, you like it, don't worry about if that's cool to other people. There'll always be places to express that enjoyment even if it's not with the people immediately around you.
Hope you find some closure on all this, it's not worth overthinking your interests and losing them just because you think people will think you're a little lame. Keep your head up buddy
@@AsadAnjum I definitely needed to hear that, especially from someone whose words hold merit. Thanks man
Had that feeling too but realized that at some point we all gotta let go of that need for approval & realize that good art will remain good art regardless. There are tons of adults with good following who make videos about comic books & shonen (for teens) anime & manga. It's all cool.
Never knew the Game Awards were that big.
Hey, great video! You touched on some really good points here. Glad to see this likemindedness among gamers
Thank you! Really appreciate it, and congrats again on your vid on it blowing up!
About your Stan Lee comment, he was a kid when he started. Of course he's gonna be insecure about the social perception of his job. Doesn't mean he doesn't share Neil gaiman's perspective.
Thanks I'm not insecure about playing video games, touched grass and have Valentine's date now, hope it happens to you too ❤
YOU HAVE A VALENTINES DATE?? LETS GOOOO
This is a good video. Good job
what was the game at 17:55
To me video games are a celebration of all creative fields. No other medium is able to incorporate such a breadth of creative aspects, so when people dismiss video games - in my eyes they're dismissing art itself. Also the demonisation of video games have no legitimacy. D&D went through the same circumstances, where it was even claimed to be a literal satanic cult. We have evidence AGAINST the accusations - both violence and addiction - but the claims were never about truth, they were about fear. Parents are incredibly susceptible to fears that involve their children going down the wrong path, and so easy to incite. If you look back you'll notice that the media drives the fear, and then the parents take on the fear and in turn drive the media, and then the claim gets legitimacy. It's a nasty cycle that benefits profits and personal agenda's. Quite often these things start because someone simply doesn't like something. People can be miserably cruel over the most inane things and it blows my mind.
Totally unrelated to the video but whats the game at 17:10 ?
Nothing but facts in this video.
Everyone who thinks Games are not Art need to play Disco Elysium
Another banging vid. Good take, funny and good to see Neil Gaiman, that guy’s a real one
Neil Gaiman is such a G honestly
Boring topic but correct take 🤓
Also I find it funny that the people pandering to gamers like Geoff often use the "games are bigger than movies and all those stuff combined" line, but they'll also keep acting like mobile games aren't real games, even though the biggest part of games being bigger than everthing else is thanks to a lot of awfully designed mobile games.
And as a bonus the media then doesn't have the tool to analyse those awful designs (and what's differentiating them from better ones) when they get into the games they're playing, because they have no experience with them.
Agree on the fairly boring topic, but it's one that I think gets dragged into gloomy/negative territory pretty often so I wanted to send it in another direction. Was gonna be a quicker vid, got a little longer cause I didn't have my mic for a few weeks and kept punching in new ideas into it lol. Still had a fun time with it
Mobile gaming is a huge chunk of the revenue share that's true, and yeah you could argue a lot of it is garbage. But I see it like youtube. There's tons of weird throwaway half baked repetitive stuff on here (could never be me 👀) that keep people on the site longer, just like a lot of mobile games quickly capture people's attention and them they hop on to the next one. To me that proves that people want to engage with it in the first place, and while they might end up playing a lot of boring slop they still want to play games at the end of the day. So I'd still consider the figure relevant to the interest in games overall, even if it's a lot of bottom of the barrel stuff
@@AsadAnjum Oh yeah yeah, and tbf even when it's good mobile games, gamers and press don't really care about them, with a few rare exceptions. It's just funny because it's basically "I don't care about you but I'll still take credit for your success" :D
@tree but for video games
Pop music is bigger than Hip Hop
www.businessinsider.com/hip-hop-passes-rock-most-popular-music-genre-nielsen-2018-1
Have you watched TGA 2024?
Keep making videos man. You're starting to make it into the yt recommended algorithm.
Just please don't make it political (not that you have) Neenah we need less reasons to divide and more to come together