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Before recording this podcast, I had tried my extension cable in both front and rear USB connections on my PC (also taking advice from Reddit and swapping from 3.0 to 2.0). I also updated drivers before I even received the adapter - again based on advice posted on Reddit. I still had intermittent issues with tracking, and it was only after finding my antenna for my motherboard's Bluetooth before solving the issues mentioned. It now works flawlessly in that regard. By the way, it's interesting that the manual for my motherboard only states this antenna is for Wifi connections and completely omits any reference to it helping with Bluetooth. But it clearly does since that motherboard Bluetooth was completely unusable before.

@@ImmersedRobot so you had to remove your MBs antenna? Lame but good to know thanks

@@WaveSmash Sorry, no. I might have worded that wrong. What I mean is I switched over from using the TP Link UB500 with an extension to my motherboard's Bluetooth connection WITH the antenna. That works perfectly for me, but I was unaware the antenna supplied with the motherboard was used to enhance both Wifi and Bluetooth.

@@ImmersedRobot oh I see.

I agree with the binocular overlap issue in the Quest 3. It's definitely one of the worst things about that headset, although I don't generally notice it as much now as I did when I first got the headset. But you're right, for visual comfort, a decent binocular overlap is hugely beneficial in the PSVR2. I can see you're an OLED fan, and those colours (colors) in the PSVR2 will probably be a fantastic fit for you. I have now resolved my controller tracking issues by digging in my attic and finding the antenna for the Bluetooth on my motherboard. Since connecting to that, it's been completely flawless, but I'm sure we'll discuss that and plenty more in the next podcast.

Glad to hear that is possible to get good tracking. I got the PC adapter now just looking for a killer deal on a VR2 headset. And yeah I noticed the low overlap immediately when I went form years on Quest 2 to the Quest 3. It was enough that I was stressing for a while over whether to return it or not, but I also got used to it somewhat as you said. That doesn't make it okay though, it's objectively a downgrade in that regard. I have a Quest 1 which I still use sometiems and I consider it like a PS VR2 - lite lol, because it also has pentile OLED, good overlap, but its just 72hz and low res, and max bitrate of 100mbps, which is pretty meh at this point.

@@jss4837 Controller tracking has been flawless for me with the BT dongle on an extension after I managed to get it all up and running. Something that I have noticed with the controller tracking is that (testing it and being hyper critical) it has a sharper response than the Quest controllers. Not something I'd notice in normal gameplay, but noticeable if I wave the controllers around and focus on them. My main issue atm is that the default Steam resolution assigned to PSVR2 is absolutely needed for a reasonable image. Quest 3 gets away with a lower render resolution while still giving a sharper image. PSVR2 seems needs a larger multiplier to account for the barrel distortion compared to Quest 3. The upshot is I'm getting better performance with better image quality on Quest 3. PSVR2 still looks great on certain titles though. I'm sure the lack of consensus will continue on the next episode :D

It's basically just a playable tech demo, but it's called Aircar, and you can download it for free on Steam. It's quite an old demo, but one that's held up over time, and kind of a default go-to experience any time we try a new headset.

@@FlukeRogi It still looks interesting. Thanks for the answer!

Could possibly be the rain on the cockpit.

If you mean the footage of Aircar (flying through the cityscape), there are raindrops on the window. Looks better in the headset tbh.

I actually uninstalled the Oculus app and Virtual Desktop. Finally got it working shortly after that. I've since reinstalled them and everything is still running fine, but something was certainly causing me issues getting through the initial setup process. What did happen though is that the first time I loaded SteamVR after reinstalling VD, SteamVR actually came up with a message saying it had blocked VD (along with the option to unblock it). I've never seen that before, and it didn't do that during my initial attempts to get things working. it's all working now at least...

Aircar. It's available on Steam for free. 👍

Yes, it almost certainly is, although rather than doing the usual 1.4x resolution for fresnel lenses, the PSVR2 seems to use 1.7x (explaining the 3400x3400 per eye). I heard somewhere that the Quest 2 also applies 1.7 rather than 1.4 to correct for barrel distortion.

@@ImmersedRobot is this just due to the optical stack and how it relates to the screens?

@@bmackVR I would guess, yes. I assume the lenses are warping the image more than on a headset which uses 1.4x and so the correction algorithm needs to be more aggressive to correct for this. (Just a guess though).

@@ImmersedRobot and 1.7x puts more load on the GPU correct? I wonder how much more efficient the quest 3 is at being a PCVR headset because of this.

@@ImmersedRobot I can't find a technical source, but I keep finding posts saying that pankcake lenses do require less in the way of correction that fresnel / aspheric lenses. Same for chromatic aberration as well which is apparently not as big an issue with pancake leneses.

I'll keep an eye out for the adaptive brightness option. Not sure anyone has it yet - I'd expect to see an article on Upload or RoadToVR once it hits, especially if it makes a decent difference. I've just noticed I have the experimental multitasking option though.

Thanks for watching, Seb! At the point in the conversation where I say the only interesting thing about the PSVR2 is the OLED, I was speaking regarding if a no-name manufacturer released the exact same spec headset as the PSVR2. I think in that case, the one thing that would differentiate it substantially from other headsets in the market is that OLED display. In direct comparison to the Quest 3 however, I agree with all your points about the certain advantages it has. Once again, it comes down to personal preference if those advantages are worth the softer (and in my opinion overall poorer) image when compared to a Quest 3. OLED lovers might say absolutely, but others (myself included) might say no.

Regarding the mura, I've always run the PSVR2 on PS5 at 100% brightness - the mura never bothered me when on PS5, and I loved the brightness on there. I was actually wondering if it's the opposite of what you suggested - maybe the lack of HDR / the extra kick of brightness on PC is what is somehow making the mura more noticeable to me.

@@FlukeRogi You can ajust the brigtness also on pc via the psvr2 app on steam. For me, the mura effect is less noticeable on pc. I tried No man's sky and I dont see mura in this game. Also, in the past, I tried to watch movies on PS5 on the psvr2 and the mura was so bad.. I stopped to watch movies. Now, on PC, via bigscreen and all the environments available, watching 3d movies (witch was impossible on ps5) is a blast! I have both Quest 3 and psvr2 and let me tell you.. it will be Psvr2 on pc now.. the oled display is a game changer!! Im on a Alienware G15 with a 4090.. everything worked perfectly out of the box!

Thanks for the tips, and yes I have now got this setup after basically reinstalling several things, before alternating Bluetooth connections yesterday. It was literally the LAST USB connection I tried on my PC which seemed to resolve the issue (although I'm not certain it was actually that or something else I did). The interesting thing is that I had already tried several Bluetooth 2.0, 3.0 and 3.1 on my motherboard before finding one which actually seemed to work. Once again, this reminds me exactly of the sensor issues some people had with the Rift CV1. Not all USB connections seem to be equal regardless of type. Anyway, long story short, passthrough during room setup now works!

you can also get down rated cables. I had the same issue with Immersed on Occulus. it works best with a 480mbps cable, though i just use wifi 6 now.

Yes, completely agree. I can't understand why Red Matter 2 on PS5 looks so sharp, and supersampling only seems to be able to take you so far on PC. I also agree, I think it looks pretty good, and the more I use it, the more I feel that way. It's not as sharp as Quest 3 on my system, no matter what settings I use. But I'm certainly warming to the overall image quality since recording this podcast.

Super sampling does not increase sharpness, it actually decreases it. Super sampling is antialiasing. People seem to think it somehow magically increases resolution, but all it does is antialiases so you have less jagged lines.

@@Nobody-Nowhere yes, I’m completely aware that Supersampling is a form of antialiasing. But perceived sharpness can be increased. Of course nobody is claiming it can actually go beyond the native resolution of the display.

@@Nobody-Nowhere maybe my wording is wrong, there's a resolution slider in steamvr and the sharpness can go considerably up. When i had my friends quest 2 you could see a difference. Although i was changing the res in quest app. Still beyond 100%

That's fair enough. From my position, I'd say. "PSVR2 has better colours, FOV and binocular overlap, but Quest 3 is more immersive because of clarity, sharpness, persistence and motion clarity." We have different subjective opinions on what makes for the most immersive experience, and that's how many people feel.

It’s a free title on Steam called ‘Aircar’.

Don't remember saying that? A lot of my friends are saying the clarity and image quality is better on the psvr2. Not in my experience, but I had a limited time trying it out. Some games may look better than others. I'd have to test more.

MRTV says PSVR2 is a good replacement for Reverb G2 which has higher resolution than Quest 3.

@@SimplexPL If memory serves, then I think the G2 looked way sharper than the PSVR2. However, the G2 also had a smaller sweet spot (yes, even smaller than PSVR2), and had a smaller FOV so the PPD was much higher in the G2. As I mentioned in the podcast, I haven't used the G2 in a long time so I might be misremembering, but I believe the G2 to still remains much sharper than the PSVR2.

I've seen a few saying they had no issues during setup or with gaming PCVR with the PSVR2. I have seen a lot more posts on twitter, Reddit and videos on RUclips having similar issues to ourselves and more. And even some in the comments here are having problems and asking for help. Which to me excludes user error to some part.

@@Dazednetic I have a PSVR 2 connected to a PS5 and really happy the headset now supports PC. Its just eye-opening to see just how much more complex set-up CAN be on an open platform with infinite possible configerations, software / hardware conflicts, possible driver issues etc. Not saying its specifically user error more general PC / Windows OS issues. Glad you got it working in the end.

@@funkDr1 Oh I totally agree with you on the PC configurations. Way to many variables. I think our overall impression will be positive. It's an option for PCVR for sure. Definitely welcome. 😎

That sounds like the same place I was stuck at. Not sure what it was that finally got me past that point (I had swapped the DP cable, but I'm really not sure that was a cause of it) but if you haven't, try having SteamVR running before launching the PlayStation app (I've seen a few people on Reddit mention that for what it's worth).

@FlukeRogi OK tried that staring steam vr first it caused my playstation play area screen to ask to hook up the psvr2 and turn it on and my playstation vr app crashes

I just got my new dp 2.1 cables so it shouldn't be them

I'm using the virtual link vr box that looks and hooks up as the same as the psvr2 pc adapter and my psvr2 firmware is updating

@@MrJcash69 I'm not sure what else to suggest. I spent a day trying to get it to work (I uninstalled every other VR related piece of software, including Virtual Desktop and the Meta App/drivers) before it did. Maybe try swapping the DP cable if you have a spare. Eventually after uninstalling then reinstalling both Steam/SteamVR and the PS app, it finally worked, but I really don't know why.

I don't buy that excuse, they could have integrated the Bluetooth in the adapter device with an external antenna on the extension cable.

Appreciate the sub, welcome 🤗

People who have BT pre-integrated with their hardware seem to have fewer issues.

Thanks, appreciate the sub! Personally, I'm not susceptible to lower refresh rates causing me any problems in VR, and even with the screen persistence of PSVR2, it hasn't caused a problem so far on PC (and hasn't done on PS5).

Yes, VR on Linux works flawlessly, this is galaxy brain level advice.

Screen persistence might be causing some discomfort - it doesn't really bother me, but for some people (Sadly it's Bradley for one) couldn't cope well with the PSVR2 for that reason..

For me, I noticed the mura more on PC, but I think I said in the podcast I was probably being more critical and actively trying to look for any issues. Personal perception with headsets is a weird thing though, and your own personal opinion is the only one that really matters (despite us babbling on for an hour about ours!). If you haven't done though, check out the Red Matter games on PS5/PSVR2. The second one is a standout title visually, with great use of haptics as well.

Red Matter 2 is running on a PSVR3 connected to a PS6.

@@SimplexPL Lol, it did feel like it.

Aircar. It's free on Steam 👍

This mrtv guy knows stuff!

Looks like Aircar - free on Steam - amazing game / experience.

Some are having great results as yourself which is great. Thes were just our first impressions trying the adapter out. Hopefully it will get better for us 😊😎

Would have been great if the headset just used DisplayPort instead of USB in the beginning and if the PS5 accommodated that. I bet they weren't planning to sell it to the PC market at all. Maybe this is an attempt to simply offload stock in possible any way.

Linux doesn’t support vr as much sadly

@@Narwhal12 Checkout Monado and Linux VR Advantures Ensivision.

OMG, Linux cult shills still exist :D VR on Linux is more garbage than Windows is garbage compared to Linux. GTFO with your fake propaganda.

They sent one to VooDooDE and to Ian Highton from Eurogamer.

It's one of those debates that nobody will win because each headset has its pros and cons and one man's trash is another's treasure.

I have 1.4 cable and I agree that Quest 3 is sharper (if you have good wifi router).

Haven't actually tried yet. Hopefully not..

I've heard it's a bit of a pain..

@@spry_guy happy birthday!

I have both, and to be honest, the oled clarity beats out the slight sharpness advantage of the quest 3 by a landslide. If you are financially in a position to get a psvr2, do it. You wont have any regrets.

@@KingJuulForever Bloody hell, I'm tempted again.

@@colin8877 😅. If you already have a VR headset, i suggest waiting for black friday. My guess is that it will drop down quite a bit again in price.

I donno. I had both and would never go back to psvr at this point. Tethered and extremely limited game library. Oh boy!

It differs from personal use. I do use QGO a lot so maybe that's why it looks sharper and clearer for me in the quest 3. I still wouldn't get a psvr2 though. Unless you are into resident evil and GT7. Personal opinion obviously 😊

I can imagine that would be the case. I've used a Samsung Odyssey for a while, but I've never tried the Odyssey+ so it's difficult to make the comparison accurately. It makes sense that would be what it's like though.

I feel similar. On your point about the higher end features being enabled, I think this would go some way to changing my mind about using it on PC to some extent. I think specifically, if DFR could ever be enabled from the eye-tracking then that would probably make me revisit plenty of titles which are more demanding on PC. Incidentally, since recording this podcast, I've been into Elite Dangerous with the PSVR2 this afternoon and have to admit that the OLED display certainly shines in that game. But is it worth the sacrifice in clarity? Almost definitely not.

@@ImmersedRobot was coming back to add about brightness. That's the one plus that the fresnel lenses have they allow more light through so the headset should be brighter while pancake lenses are inherently dimmer.