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Pathfinder is NO fucking joke. Anyone who wears that is a fucking stud.

Infantry scout lol

I went through Air assault school back in 1995 when the Army was trying to get more women involved. School was more of a super fun camp for us. I met a nice girl there😉😉

Just passed JMPI on my 4th attempt, thank God I maintained re-entry! Future students be sure to come prepared and do everything you can to keep an 80% academic average to maximize your chances for success

Went thru JM school as a 2LT in 1977 in Alaska with a MTT...bit of extra stress with a "almost" jump refusal from my CH-47 in-flight test putting two jumpers out. Some AF LNO O-4 in the first position started backing up instead of walking off the ramp when I said GO; thank goodness the warrant officer rigger in the #2 position looked me in the eye and put his shoulder into the chute of the major and basically pushed him off the ramp...I passed. JMPI was a significant emotional event and it was a great feeling to pass and then go on to JM and safety for real.

Best job i ever had

I’m so salty about pathfinder school. My MOS 15u/67u is basically pathfinder exclusive and we have billets for pathfinders in most every chinook unit. I found this out and did the work to get into pathfinder school. I had the orders cut but my regimental commander stopped me from going because he held a grudge. He said that we didn’t need it and I got sent to loadmaster school instead. I STILL hold that grudge and it’s been over 20 years.

For pistol, can we use a standard p320? Or has to be an m17? And modifications at all or completely stock?

I flunked out of Benning PF school by one question on the DZ, re-test the day before the field exercise. I think it was '99 or year 2000. Such a heartbreaker, as I got into the class by a fluke after years of trying to land that school. I think the heavy memorization was my undoing. Coolest badge in the Army.

There is a recce unit in each BN in the 75th. And then of course the RRC as well.

Got my AA in 1963 at Benning ....

It's past time 19D just gets folded into 11B. Recruiting / Retention numbers are down and fighting men are needed. RECON ain't what it used to be and is dominated by Drones in todays war zones. Point RECON? Primary Drone mission. Area RECON? Also, primary Drone mission. Fun Fact; By MTOEA 19D (19Z actually) can serve in an Infantry Rifle BN as the 1SG of a designated Anti Armor Company, whereas 11B/11Z can fill ANY combat designated enlisted role in a Cavalry BN, from Rifleman to CSM. It's time to consolidate 19D into 11B.

I leave for it in three weeks, it will be my first school and I’m a specialist. Already studying now

From the future where crye has released the JPC R series. Which is more comfortable, more durable, and more expensive than the jpc 1 and 2.

11 Hotels operated as light armored weapons infantry, performed all same missions as cav scout operations and dismount light infantry operations. 11 Hotels also performed some of the duties of combat engineers. 11 Hotels worked closest with S.F. Group and Spec.Ops units out of all other Infantry MOS and several 11 Hotels I knew went on to join S.F. Group. After the 11 Hotel MOS was removed from the Infantry they were made 11 bravos and some were made Infantry Scouts. At Ft Sherman the 11 hotels in Delta Co. were out doing waterborne operations training, SPIE rigging operations and high speed training that 11 Bravos from Bravo Co & Charley Co didn't get to recieve. However the Infantry Battalion Scout platoons were allowed to receive the same highspeed training as Delta Co. because 11 Hotel platoons were very small 14-15 man maximum size platoons. . .Unlike 11 bravo line company platoons. But few veterans whom enlisted after 9/11 ever heard of 11 Hotel Infantry MOS. And fewer know how eclectic that MOS truly was in it's mission capabilities. And POGs , If you didn't earn the blue cord you're not "basically infantry".

In Iraq , Infantry Scouts were mounted as well.

Got my "Torch" thirty-three years with the 101st Airborne Division (AASLT) in October, 1991. I didn't have much trouble going through the course, and you're spot on about walking away from it so you don't have a mental meltdown. But had fun and some good memories.

Thank you for helping me decide, I’m going to go with the jpc 1.0 👍🏼

You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.

You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.

Great video. Pathfinder grad from 93 and Jumpmaster grad in 92. Pressure since was an Abn Co Cdr when a Pathfinder slot came open last second. Hard school to get and didnt want to get embarrased. Pathfinder more math and have to study and be able to implement formulas (DRT/ DKAV) - Jumpmaster is stress x 100 and most stressful course to include Ranger (85 grad) Still remember tracing that saddle and smacking the leg and hearing I was a GO. Wear my Master Wings proudly as an old retiree still 😎

Bring back LRS

The only question that I have is this one: I see most people who wear those tactical pants with pads that they don’t blouse them to wear boots. So those pants are made different? Or you can still blouse them when you wear boots

How’s the elasticity around the waist? Thanks for the review.

I graduated Jumpmaster School in Nov '06 and Pathfinder School in Nov "07, both were taught by HHC 1-507th PIR at Benning and both were the normal three week versions... I can say without any reservation that Pathfinder School was more difficult, and Jumpmaster School was way more stressfully. It was more stressful because you knew after day one that you would never be fast enough to pass JMPI in the five minutes you were given (so we thought). It was a self-inflicted mental stress. We were the 2nd class of the FY when I went to jumpmaster school and we had no idea when we arrived that the Nomenclature exam would include both the old T-10/ MC-1 style harness and the new MC-6 (SF-10 main w/ T-11 reserve) style harness, and that going forward, we were to learn two different sequences simultaneously. Up to this point Jumpmasters students were allowed only a single retest after a JMPI failure. Our class was allowed a 2nd retest if you maintained at least an 80% on all exams prior to JMPI test day, of course most people would not get the 80% on the Nomenclature exam because we were unaware of the change to the POI prior to attending. I was able to eek out an 80% on the first exam, somehow and was eligible to receive the 2nd retest. I had partially torn the ligament in the elbow of my working hand just prior to the course, so every time I would jam my hand down into those tight JM school rigs, it was like someone jammed an ice pick into my elbow, this made my experience seem much more difficult. We would draw training rigs from the school house on weekends to practice our JMPI in order to get faster, which seemed like a futile effort at the time, especially with the condition of my elbow. I told myself I could live with failing JMPI on time, if I did everything else right, and ended up failing the course. I failed on time by well over a minute my first attempt, which was the first test I had ever failed in the Army, but I could live with that, because its an unrealistic time standard that you will never be held to again, and any jumper I had inspected would be good to go. Now I would go balls out to pass it, but after a recovering from multiple sequence violations on the reserve of the second jumper on attempt two, I missed a major and failed it again. The 3rd and final attempt would be the one and i would pass with about two seconds left. As for Pathfinder school, like most Army schools I attended, every test or exam receives only a single retest. The final written exam at Pathfinder school was the big one that everybody talks about. In 2007 it was 50 questions, 10 each in five different categories. You had 75 minutes to complete the entire test. If you failed one section, you would retest that one section, if you failed two sections you would retake those two sections, three or more sections would retake the entire test. You would receive only 15 minutes per section on the retest. Formulas was by far the hardest section, in my recollection it was all story problems, some requiring multiple formulas to solve the problem (D=RT, T=D/R, D=KAV) and also 1NANOS. It was recommended to do the Formulas section first, and then the two sections you thought you new best next before time runs out, because no one is going to pass formulas in just 15 minutes if you fail it. I did not heed this advice and answered the questions in order from 1-50. The formulas section was questions 41-50 on my exam and as I looked up at the clock after the first 40 questions I had completed them in 37 minutes, leaving 38 minutes to complete the final 10 questions. as I neared the final couple questions I realized I was running extremely low on time and needed to hurry on those last couple question, I had no time to double check my math like I would normally do. In my case it worked out and I received either a 96 or 94% on the final. Final thought... anyone who has attended Jumpmaster school understands the phrase "Inspecting Ghost Jumpers in the shower"

Pathfinder school - for me - was relatively simple. But for good reason - I went through Pathfinder in 1984, as a young Army Reservist. I was assigned to the 5th Pathfinder Platoon at Ft Meade, MD. At the time, most of the NCOs in the unit were Vietnam Veterans, with varied combat experiences. My Team Sergeant ("Doc" - he was a Combat Medic in the 1st Cav Div in Vietnam, as well as having been part of the 82d Abn Div. I joined the 5th Pathfinders in 1983, and Doc ran me through the paces. Nobody was sent to Ft Benning for Pathfinder school until the NCOs of the platoon agreed that a team member was ready. Land Nav training was constant, with different challenges set in the way. I did DZs and HLZs, Doc often putting me in charge of establishing and setting my team members to work. Sling loading was another task we often practiced. Sling loading - One weekend the 5th Pathfinders was tasked to come to the Pentagon and sling load huge HVAC units to the roof. A CH-47 was tasked, came collected us, and we flew to the Pentagon and spent an afternoon Reserve drill sling loading gear on the Pentagon! Great - and different - experience. The summer of 1984, Doc felt that I was ready for Pathfinder school, and so I made the drive down to Ft Benning. Having gone through Airborne school in 1981, it was nice being back. The Pathfinder course - in my opinion - was challenging in that there were a number of academic requirements in order to pass. First day was Land Nav course. Two tries to pass. Fail the second time, and you're out of the course. We were required to pass evaluations 1) as Team Leader on a field problem, 2) as an Assistant Team Leader on a field problem, 3) demonstrate proficiency in communication with an aircraft in flight (and guiding it in to your HLZ). Because of how I was pushed by my unit prior to Pathfinder school, I passed each task. Doc helped instill me with confidence. Jump Master school. I eventually enlisted Active Duty and served in 5th Special Forces Group (I was an Intelligence Analyst, not a tabbed SF guy), and made the trip to Ft Benning for the JM course. This was in 1996, and I had been on jump status both Reserve and Active Duty for 15 years. Several of the JM guys I served with all recommended that I study nothing as far as the nomenclature exam, which was administered on day 1 of JM school. I was told that the nomenclatures frequently change and that I needed to study the charts we were given when we reported to the JM school. I studied my ass off, and the following day passed the nomenclature test. It was my understanding, at the time, that this was a requirement to continue on the course. While Pathfinder school was academically challenging, Jump Master school was extremely stressful. The "BIG" thing which dropped students was that infamous JMPI exam. In '96 the standard was JMPI test in the morning. Fail your JMPI, then you get one re-test in the afternoon. Fail this, and you were dropped from the course and sent home. And the fact was, there were several students in my JM class who had returned for 1st, 2d, or even 3rd try. Good Troops too.

this helped alot. thank you

Jumpmaster and then Pathfinder is amazing . I say that because that's truly the easiest way to pass the course. Great points about the difference in Air Assault and PF. For record, I passed JM easily, passed DZSTL ( short , but separate course} , and almost failed PF because of sling loads. My advice for these thinking courses, find somebody more experienced than yourself.

Thx for the info ,ill be getting the 1 🎉🎉🎉

Im nervous man because my writing is not good because English is my second language and im leaving in two months to BLC

I was out of the army for years when I read somewhere that Air Assault School is the "ten toughest days in the army". I spit my beer out laughing. Whoever came up with that lie had never been to ranger school...and I went when there was still a desert phase. Former Cco 509th Pathfinders.

What are the odds that the one grader your talking abouts name started with an H and ended with an NS🤔🤬

Scouts toast marshmallows. Infantry Recon toasts Scouts. HOOAH!

Just to correct some of the information here. Each state sets the rules for the G20 in that state. Up until 3 years ago my state didn’t do one at all. Now that they do they only award G20 to high 10 in each rifle and pistol. My state (Tennessee) only allows NG members to compete for the G20. If I am not mistaken, Arkansas awards 8 for rifle, 8 for pistol and 2 for sniper. Your state may be different. Also with the EIC there are several EIC matches, National Match in several discipline’s, for the military is the Combat EIC events which are only allowed for current military members. You can look up national match EIC for those badges but combat EIC works much different. Combat EIC must be done in Combat gear, National Match EIC matches are held wearing ears, eyes and not much else depending on the shooter. For the Combat EIC Pistol is 4 distances, 30 standing (60 seconds), 25 standing to kneeling to prone, (45 seconds) 20 standing (20 seconds), and 15 standing (15 seconds). Max score is 200. Each string is 2, 5 round mags with a reload on the clock. Combat rifle starts at 25 yards behind the 400, 90 seconds to run to 400 mark and take 10 shots prone unsupported. I forget the time but then you do the same at 300. 200 is shot kneeling, and 100 is shot standing. Then 75, 50 and 25. Each string has 2 targets and you have to put 5 rounds in each. Also shot with the same EIC target as the pistol. Max score is 250. For the EIC badge, it is awarded to the top 10% of match shooters that have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooters Badge in that discipline. The EIC badge is the first step to the Distinguished Shooter Badge. The EIC and Distinguished Shooter badges are awarded by the Army Marksmanship unit. Each EIC badge will have a “LEG POINT” value depending on the size/level of the competition. State, Local or Division and lower match’s are 4 points and you can only earn those the first time you leg. Corps, regional (MAC as the NG calls it) are worth from 6, 8 or 10 depending on how big a match is. From your first leg points until you acquire 20 point will be a bronze badge. From 20 to 30 is a Silver and 30+ is Gold unless you have your “Hard Legs”. To get the Distinguished Shooter Badge some of your legs must be from a National Level Match such as the Army Small Arms Championship or The NG Wilsons, these are the Hard Legs. As the video is a couple of years old there has been some changes, rifle can now be shot with optics not just irons, Optics can be red dot or magnified not to exceed 4x. ACOG and ELCANs are the norm. The optics may have dots attached to the optic but not separate from for the shorter range targets where speed is important. The pistol is generally shot with the M17/18 as the new sidearm. Also if you are guard dont be surprised if the air guard isnt competing at the guard match’s also. And dont let them fool you cause they are Air Force. They can shoot. Tennessee has won several competitions with an Air Guard unit or a team with Air Guard members including the Wilson’s. There was a question as to a guard member can shoot at another states match. Again this will vary state to state. TN is pretty friendly about it if ammo is available. it is my understanding that unless they put a cap on the amount of shooters the rules say they have to allow “walk ons” for the EIC match. They dont have to give you anything but the ammo for that match. This may not be a challenge for pistol. But take a rifle from TN up to Ohio and not get a chance to zero under those conditions with that lot of ammo and it can be difficult. The “X” ring on the EIC target is slightly smaller than a pack of cigarettes, and shooting at that from 400 yards with a 4 power scope sucks and you better know your dope that day with that ammo and that gun. If you plan to attend a match in another state check with them first and see what the constraints are. If possible shoot the entire match not just the EIC. For my state each match is normally 300-350 rounds in 3 days for the rifle and then again for the pistol. My state holds rifle and pistol different months. If you are guard/reserve you need to be on some sort of status, most common is either split drill or Points no pay orders. That way you are covered if you are injured. I got my G20 last year for pistol and Pistol EIC the year before that with the M17. This year I will hopefully be doing my regional MAC match for more EIC points on Pistol. One more thing on local vs regional and higher match’s. In a local match EIC legs are awarded to the top 10% that don’t already have them, regional its the top 10% that are not distinguished. So let’s say you attend your state match and out of 50 shooters, you are number 6 but Number 1 and 2 already have EICs. Then you get one. But go to the regionals and out of 50 shooters you are number 6 all 5 above you will get them as long as they have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooter badge for that weapon. This is how they are getting the leg points towards Distinguished Shooter. One more than cause this has gotten longer than I wanted it to, to do dual Distinguished in the military is something less than 550 people have done since the program started. It’s quite an honor. I will be working on my Rifle EIC this year and attending larger events to get more legs for my pistol. I have between 3 and 6 years depending on promotions to try for dual. It’s gonna be a lot of work. If there are any more questions just sound off, I have been shooting my States TAG matches for about 8 years now only missing them because of deployments or other military training conflicts.

Thanks for this!

Headed to AA in a few weeks. What would you recommend I commit to memory from the AA handbook before I go? Thanks man.

Good video bro super chill, down to earth, accurate real world feedback. I was in your class also SSG Nakasone

In an ABCT cav scouts are at the battalion level of each unit. One way to look at Cavalry Scouts is to view them as Cavalry/Scouts. The Army often uses these soldiers in the Cavalry role (directly fighting the enemy while mounted) as well as the scout role, for example the Stryker ATGMs which are wheeled tank destroyers are manned by 19Ds. As well as the Stryker MGS and scouts in a mech unit will be equipped with Bradleys.

Cav scouts don't hump so much and can tell the higher ups how much weight a bridge can hold.

Where in central Indiana? This video is 2 yrs old. Are you going to paint it? Is there an update?

Cav Scouts can use math......

Hey dude I see you were with the Nebraska guard 45th inf. I was with ok 179 c co before going active duty

3/7 CAV is a divisional level for 3rd Infantry.

Having done both, Jumpmaster School, is harder then Pathfinder School. I was a Master Parachutist, sixteen years on jump status. The JMPI Testing in Jumpmaster School is the hard part. 😉🇺🇸

Dislike for clickbait, you didnt show it

4th brigade here 3/89 the mighty 10th. Love the vid.

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I did it in Oklahoma in July....they had fire engines out on the track dutring the 12-mile march to hose us down...I thank them...lmao

Heh...There's a little more to know about 'hooking up the wrong way'....Hooking up 'the right way' allows you to brake properly...hooking up the 'wrong way' (wrapping your line around the carabiner the oppsite direction) leads to a situation where the lline (rope) will automatically remove itself from your carabiner...In other words you fall hard because the rope is gone.

True that Air Assault is harder than Airborne...more mental. Attention to detail, and you will have more written things to remeber that you get tested on..Sling loading for helicopter stuff. Be sure you are in good shape! He's totally right..you get plenty of time to study...I tested my class-mates which helped me too during that time...We had some wash-outs on the last day because you have to do 6 pull-ups on a bar with your ruck on at the end of the 12-mile road march...I'm not good with pull-ups..but banged them out from the adrenaline...