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I know for a fact hero ships will probably take maybe a couple ships with them but that will practically do nothing

Drops genesis devices on the 40k verse. The end. Or slashes open a wormhole to the mirror-verse. Terran empire makes 40k look tame, they literally munch on aliens, and wanted to destroy universes to power a big space palace.

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Magnus was told to do NOTHING and Magnus did NOTHING wrong. The imperium during the great crusade would utterly curb stomp the federation ESPECIALLY if it's pre ulanor meaning big E gets directly involved. The imperium during the 41st millennium would also curb stomp the federation except they'd be blasting Gregorian chants and the inquisition would probably drop a virus bomb or two

I think it all depends on if the Federation can survive long enough for Section 31 to spread AIDS throughout the Imperium. They wouldn't win as such, but they make a favorable peace deal with the Mechanicus once they're the only ones healthy enough to run the show. Unfortunately, S31's fondness for diseases leads to them being subverted by Nurgle and the Federation is slowly corrupted from within into a Chaos puppet state.

Without watching: The FEDERATION vs. The Imperium would be a slaughter, and NOT in the Federation's favor. The Star Trek UNIVERSE? I would probably say the Q would wipe out the Imperium with little effort. The Star Trek Universe Vs. The 40k universe? I am leaning towards the gods being able to handle the Q, but I am far from certain as the Q's limit of CAPABILITY is never really even suggested, only what they decided they were WILLING to do.

What about an Over/Under mount, like a shotgun?

In a straight fight, one universe receives 1 soler system, the other 1 solar system, each on opposite ends of the galaxy with the same amount of people using the technologies they can commonly produce. Ect, Ect, even. Startreck would win... but that's not universe VS universe, 40k is on a scale many orders of magnitude bigger than startreck in population and territory. Universe VS Universe, 40K humanity would simply steamroll startrecks worlds with sheer mass.

It depends who Star Trek is fighting in Warhammer 40k. Technology and science is forbidden to the common man, so the Imperial Guardsmen are technologically ignorant. The Adeptus Astartes can definitely beat Federation Marines. They have power armour. Starfleet would probably seen the Adeptus Mechanicus as Borgs (who hoard technology for themselves). Ship for ship, the Imperium field way bigger ships. Fun to watch

In m42 best case scenario for the federation, and a likely course of action would be to find friendly aliens to ally with. The Tau and the Eldar i think would get along great with the federation, possibly the squats now that apparently theyre a unique faction. IMO the only way the federation survives is through alliances and enough to time to possibly catch up on technology. I also think it is likely a crusade would be launched in the federations direction for having so many human planets not loyal to the imperium, as the imperium seems to see any human in the galaxy as theirs by right.

it may have sucked but it looked cool.

Since the Federation eventually develops time travel technology they can just create a bootstrap paradox and win.

3rd scenario: Federation makes contact with a young Xenos race and their local allied races called the Tau who also have assimilated numerous former imperial colony worlds that were tired of the Empire of Man. The Tau have more modern potent weapons that could be greatly upgraded by Federation engineering' Later contact is made with the Aldari or Eldar who are at first mystified humans working with other Alien races instead of killing them but quickly realize these are completely different Humans. They are further mesmerized by the Vulcan personnel. A treaty is quickly established.. All Aldari Craftworlds are welcomed to settle in Federation space. They educate the Federation of the Imperial history and all the other races to avoid including the Orks, Necrons, Tyrranids, and the forces of Chaos and the warp. The Eldar knowing the history of Earth ask the humans what time frame of Earth are they from and they are shocked to realize that the Federation was formed in the middle of the 3rd millennium of Earth Technological Era. And finally the Federation in a final act of desperation could possible call upon the "Q".........

Never mind the imperium, the Tau would beat Starfleet by themselves. In a fictional world where everything is OP as fuck, it's simply not reasonable to try to have these vs's talk's.

My father worked on the Iroquois engine. The RCMP was a piece of shit very slow to issue security clearence. Big brains waiting for muscled bureaucrats no non-sense

I don't know... I feel like it's a bit like star wars. Ship to ship federation has an advantage. But in star wars you have death stars that can blow up planets and hyper space that can cross a galaxy in days or hours. It's a mixed bag. But I'd say photon torpedoes and the picard maneuver makes it really tough in a space battle. Both sides have their advantages but I think the federation would win ultimately because of their superior shields. They clearly appear to be a resilient barrier. And clearly federation ships are designed with maneuver ability in mind. I would say a fleet of defiants would mop up with quantum torpedoes. They're small, fast, and can deliver a payload that realistically could destroy a planet. They are basically mini exploding black holes or something like that.

As a person once said " Mix a leopard and an strv 103 and you get panzerkampf 103".

The Star Trek universe would have as much of a chance against 40k as a fly would have a chance of squishing an elephant.

if you are not lore master, dont compare it

and the federation would retaliate with genisis

Star Trek loses against 40k. End of story. Trekkies constantly fail to understand how stupidly underpowered their universe they love so much is. theyve argued this with Star Wars fans all the way back to the 1980s. Read Mike Wong's take on Wars vs Trek. He explained why Trek loses hard.

I do agree in general, but not on the matter of photon torpedoes (or quantum torpedoes being the new replacement). They don't show it on the screen, but they technically are all fitted with FTL drives. 40K ships wouldm't be able track something moving faster than light since they don't have that tech themselves. Add in the small size and I'd expect the UFP's torpedos to hit unnoposed. How effective they'd be is a different matter. Anti-matter is pretty destructive by itself and quantum torpedoes are even more powerful than that. Those torpedoes are designed to attack Star Trek sized ships though, not 40K sized ships. Just add more anti-matter? Might work - even a half gram of the stuff reacting with a half gram of matter is supposed to be as destructive as the nuke dropped on Nagasaki. Adding more shouldn't be hard given how little it needed for such a large explosion.

size does not equal power, the Trek ships have weapons on par or orders of magnitude more powerful than those found in ships in the Imperium, they are faster, have safe FTL travel they can engage in moments, better sensor tech that can detect ships at a much greater distance than the Imperials, have psykers on par with the Imperium as well as entities on par with the gods (not in the Federation though), a fleet of Federation ships would simply warp to the rear of Imperial ships before they can even be targeted and then cripple their engines leaving them to die in deep space, christ they can easily target subsystems within Imperial ships and take them apart at their leisure. As for the mistake of ranges, Trek ships can and do fight at thousands of kilometres as stated in the show a range of 300,000 kilometres for the standard starship phaser bank, Photon torpedoes have a range of 3,500,000 kilometres and are guided so would home in on the pinpoint accurate target if they wanted it to. As for the Imperial macro rounds, they are inaccurate to the extreme and simply would not be able to hit most Federation ships in combat, sure if it gets hit its game over possibly until the Feds research defences able to resist them, which they will do within months. The standard phaser rifle can completely disintegrate its target and would make a mockery of even space marine armour, then we get to the error about transporters, they cannot transport through shields so lets assume that includes voids, cool, drop the enemies voids from 300,000 KM, get within 10,000 KM and transport over ordnance, the Fed transporters outrange the Imperial teleporters by thousands of KM. So the Federation out techs and out arms the Imperium easily, the only thing the Imperium has on its side is numbers of human level fighters as their fleet is utterly unable to take on the Federation on an equal standard and likely has LESS warships available. Lastly is the response time of the Imperium, it is centuries, by this point its already too late to take on the Federation, they have advanced way past what the Imperium can handle, however if we are going great crusade era then we can drop this to decades... still too late.

This is simple. The Federation is essentially a much weaker version of the Interex, and the Interex were curb-stomped by just a single Astartes legion.

The inevitable downfall for star federation will still be warp fuckery.

Replicators are STC's. Star Trek is the dark age of humanity.

Very true one borg ship almost took out the entire federation.

Idk in this case the Star Trek is basically men of iron age, the high use of AI and tech actually makes them highly adaptive. Where as the imperium is very ridged and unable to adapt or make new tech meaning they are tech locked. While yes I think the imperium might have the initial advantage for a time especially in the ground arena but if they can't get ground troops there....... The Star Trek ships are vastly superior. The maneuverability, shield tech and I might add easily counter kinetic rounds and can be modulated to counter energy weaponry that the imperium uses, not to mention it would not really matter how big the imperiums fleets are if they can't hit their targets and the Star Trek ships can easily kite and hit from extreme range. I normally don't do this but I'm leaning towards the trek side as being the victors in this case. If the warp is not involved, meaning it doesn't corrupt the AI that trek makes heavy use of.

Agree with this 100%. But its star trek vs 40k. So how about taking the borg instead?

Not really a fair comparison. Trek always tried to stay within the realm of science possibility not fantasy. Might as well pit Warhammer vs The Galactic Empire. That would be a better match.

A galaxy class would handle any imperial ship with ease

Yeah, i love Trek, but seriously? 😂😂😂 the Imperium as a whole....would absolutely wipe the floor, walls and ceiling with Star Fleet

Easy win for the 40k: just pretend to flee into the warp for a few minutes and let the Federation find out why space marines don't tend to be huggers.... and why not having a gellar fielld just Suuuuuuuuucks...

As long as they keep the tau away from the federation all would probably be well for Immperium.

Good Vid but this is an opinion and in Canada now we make very little in defence this is why are forces are week we are not a partisepant and who takes care of the north no one these jets could do that Bomark was a waist didn't work useless. Canada lost all military infastructure by the 70's and without this are military is a mess. In life sometimes you have to do things to make life in future better we in Canada wait for the world to defend us. the arrow was a cheap way to keep us soverign are military keeps that and I have a little bit of disagreement with this. Canada has no longer have true soverignty over itself we have losers for leaders.

Yes, but not completely. On the one hand, the federation has proven to be capable of developing and implementing technologies according to need, so in addition to finding some brake for 40k warp systems and/or blockages for power armor, it also has different psychics, but they have also been able to detect forms of life in nearby ships among other things. And, in that scenario, it wouldn't be strange for Q to intervene, so... And that's ignoring things like red matter and other trek magic.

You make some solid points regarding the Arrow. When the company laid the Canadian employees off, a family member who worked on the project was offered employment opportunities with Boeing but eventually accepted employment with NASA and later in his career, JPL. Everybody loves a cost effective ICBM system.... Cheers

Q: How boring. (Snaps finger and turns the entire Emperium into Bazorian Spore Amoebas)

So...first, thanks for this. There's a major issue here, though, and it's not with your analysis, which is perfect. The issue lies with the initial limits you set. Yeah, power scaling Disco is nigh-impossible. I mean "mushroom-powered FTL" is effectively impossible to quantify. The thing is, you're comparing about 300 years of Star Trek technological advancement to about 32,000 years worth of Imperium advancement in WH40k. (30k plus about 2k worth of advancement across the next 10k years - so maybe 30,050 years, idk.) And during that short period of Trek history, very little changes in regards to Starfleet's combat capabilities, but their non-combat R&D in those same 300 years completely leapfrogs anything the Imperium has on its most advanced Hive Worlds. Retooling the Federation's R&D to focus on warfare and giving them thirty thousand years to cook completely inverts the power dynamic. What we see in S3 and S4 of Disco is what happens when you give the Feds basically 1,000 years. They have programmable matter, effectively impenetrable space stations - also side note, the Emerald Chain's dreadnought is about on par size wise with several larger Imperium ships, and it took it hours upon hours to even deal noticeable damage to the base's shields - and cloaking devices that are both instant and very close to perfect. Combined with far greater maneuverability and the fact that virtually all of the Imperium's ship-mounted weaponry is projectile based and you have a surprisingly even fight. It's Ali vs. Foreman, and either could very reasonably win. And that's with just 1k years of Federation technological progress. Give them another 29k years, even without Moore's Law in effect, and I'm confident saying the Federation would wipe the floor with the Emperor. (Heresy though that may be to write, it's true.) And don't forget, the Federation fought and won a temporal cold war, while the Imperium is apparently incapable of time travel. If all else fails, Starfleet can just keep sending people back and changing history until they win. They could just send Kirk with a handheld Phaser back to early Terra and pop the Emperor before he realizes who he is, if they get desperate enough. That said, if we ignore temporal options and instead broaden our scenario to consider any other 40k faction vs. the UFP, we get more options. I'd say the Tau are an even match, provided we give the Tau a few more millennia to advance as well. The Necrons have a good chance too, solely due to their Gauss weaponry. Just about the only kind of weapon we haven't seen thrown against one of the starships Enterprise is a railgun, and it's entirely possible a well placed shot from a Necron Gauss weapon could bypass Federation shielding entirely and hit a critical system, like the warp core. Orks pull just as many eleventh dimensional BS as the Federation does, so they might have a shot too, it's hard to say. The Eldar's ability to cloak and blink around means they'd end up being the Ali in that matchup, and the Feds don't play Foreman very well, though their alternate-universe cousins, the Confederation, seem to prefer it with the World Razer class. And the Tyranids are more or less Species 8472, so depending on whether Janeway, Sisko, or someone else (who won't use bioweapons, unlike Janeway and Sisko) is the captain that could go great or terrible. Ironically, while the Imperium is one-of-if-not-the strongest factions within the WH40k universe itself, their ban on innovation means they're almost the worst against the Federation. Now, if the Mechanicus ever fully assembles a STC computer, realizes the Omnissiah isn't real, takes over the Imperium in earnest, and lifts the ban on R&D...then this is no longer a contest, it's just a bad joke and the Federation is the punchline. But given the current state of the Imperium, I don't see any of that happening. And to reiterate: your analysis is flawless given the conditions you set. I'm not bashing anything you said. Just pointing out that you hamstrung the Feds from the start. It's also entirely possible that under the conditions I set, the UFP would've fallen apart or annihilated itself long before 30,000 years had passed. Dictators may be bad but, especially when they're also the messiah of your religion, they're fantastic for keeping an empire together over the long term. Democracies take a lot more work to maintain and are far more susceptible to internal collapse. tl;dr give the Federation 30k years of R&D and run the numbers again. The result will be very different...probably.

I'm imagining the federation trying to conduct diplomacy with Orks. Orks would hate their weapons but may like replicators. Imagin what a mech boy could do with a replicator if he waited long enough for a stupid Hoomie to show him what it's for.