Pappy Van Winkle 12yr... Is it worth the HYPE?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2021
- Today we take a sample of Pappy Van WInkle Family Reserve 12yr and test it to see if it is worth the hype it receives. We test it against Old Fitzgerald 8yr BIB, Weller 12, Poor Man's Pappy, and Maker's Mark 101. We try to decide how Pappy fairs against similar competitors and is it worth buying into the hype.
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Great side by side! I’m shocked at the result! Sounds like I need to mix up some poor man’s Pappy. Also kudos to the whiskey community! Very generous sending those samples and bottles!!!
I’ve been fortunate enough to try friends’ bottles of Lot B (12) and Pappy 20. On those tiny tastes I actually preferred the 12. Maybe it was just after I looked at the disparity between their respective secondary “value” but still. I thought the Lot B was WAY better than standard W12. Sounds like I need to cherish that bottle of Fitz 8 I waited five hours for! I’ve regretted overpaying for things but I’ve never regretted putting in the time to get something I’ll enjoy for a year or more. Thanks for putting that lineup together!
Love how honest you are. Wish we could get the Old Fitz up here in Canada...heard such good things!
Not a fan of wheated bourbons but found this very entertaining.
Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.
Great point Jerry....Pappy gets a ton of press BUT it is a wheated bourbon and that flavor profile isnt really the most prevalent these days
Such a great video. It’s amazing to me the reverence and respect that the Pappy brand gets just because of the availability. I just popped a Knob Creek 15 year and I honestly feel like it’s the best bourbon I’ve ever had. “Find a bottle you love”….I think I just did
Great review! I've had MM 101, Weller SR and Weller Antique 107, and for me the Antique is so much better. Just very hard to find in SC at retail, the only 2 bottles I've found this year were both priced at over $100, and I refuse to pay that much for a bottle whose MSRP is $49
I disagree David , I think your palate is just fine. Had a buddy that won a Pappy 12 in a lottery. We were both very excited. Got it back to his place , crack it open , take that first sip and ............. I remember my first response. " Maybe it needs to open up ? " So we let it sit for 30 minutes open in the glass. It was only marginally better then. Granted , this is the only pappy I have ever had , but I would take Antique 107 , Maker's 46 Cask Strength and also Maker's 101 over it personally. And that's just the wheaters I would rather have ! It just isn't that special of a bottle. That experience really changed how I viewed rare/allocated bourbons.
Thanks for sharing that! I did like it a lot, but just not as much as the others
Great comparison and it doesn't get any better than doing doing it blind! Really takes away ANY bottle bias. Cheers!
Thanks, I was really surprised... I wish I had a or some bottles of PVW to be able to try different blinds. Once could be a fluke 🤷♂️
Great video David!!!
Good info that helps when hunting those unicorns!
I have a bottle of OF8 but very tempted to keep it for my upcoming daughter's birthday bottle (coming any day now). I think holding this decanter for 21 years would be cool but at the same time, i haven't heard a single bad thing about this bottle and really looking forward to drink it.
I was lucky a while back and my favorite bar had a bottle of VanWinkle 10, 12, and George T Stagg. I tried all three as they were only $20 - $25 a pour. They also had a barrel pick of OWA. Of the four, their barrel pick of OWA blew away the Van Winkle bottles. Easily! But that George T Stagg was AMAZING! Hands down the best bourbon I've ever had. I would gladly pay $200 a bottle for it. The two Van Winkles I bought would have a hard time, and probably fail to be a good bottle of Rare Breed for me. Save your money folks! There are lots of good bottles on the shelves out there. But if you ever get a chance to try GTS, DO IT!!!! That one is worth the hype.
I've never had a bottle of GTS, but have had two different pours. At the time I thought it was the best bourbon I've ever had. I would like to do some blinds with GTS before I claim it's the best I've ever had, but it is amazing
Fun to watch - love your channel - keep bringing us more blinds, it really is great to see you provide your impressions without knowing what it is.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
Nice to see a bottle I own take down some legendary competition. Haven’t cracked the Old Fitz yet, but looking forward to it. Great video. Great analysis.
Once you open it, let me know what you think... I think I love it 🥰
Don’t know much about bourbon but I liked this review. Cheers
I mixed 6 parts of MM CS +4 parts larceny SB+1 part Larceny BP+4 parts Weller SR= and got outstanding blend (my own poor men Poppy ;-)). Each part is 4CL (used for proportion) Proof is a little above 100
This was a great video. Where did you get the numbered blocks in the video?
Great video. Thank you.
Hmmm.. I was wondering how I can pull off a "blind taste" video... this is a great way to do it! Now I HAVE TO find that Old Fitz!
My buddy won a chance to buy a bottle of pappy 12 at my local Kroger Liqour store!!!
I had a shot it was very smooth!!! I’d like it with coke
Just opening the box I got from you. Thanks again. I hope to trade again in the future. Hopefully you like the extras I sent you as well.
Wow! I was just at disney springs an hr ago at the polite pig. It had a bourbon bar and thwy wanted 200 dollars for a pour! The barbeque was good but the pour prices were insane. Etl was 23 a pour.
Back in the day you could pick up Old Rip and Lot B whenever you wanted. I miss those days. Old Rip had the proof and was always better.
Oh man you crack me up!! I love how you are all serious at the start and all smiles and laughter after about 12 ounces!! LOL
It was a fun episode to shoot!!!!
Love the video! Digging your content in general. I want to get you some samples... How do I touch base to try and do so?
Email me at thewhiskeyrow@gmail.com
Great watch. I did some research online after acquiring a 107 & Weller 12 and was told that Poor Man's Pappy was a 40/60 blend, 40%12 & 60% 107. I'll have to try a 50/50 and see if it's any better. On a side note, I have tried Pappy 12 and I thought it was at least 3 times better than my Poor Man's. Maybe it was the elevation of where I was (Flagstaff, AZ) 😆
Nah, everyone has different palates. I thought it was 50/50, but will have to look into it more 👍
You are correct. It is not 50/50 mix. It is 60% (107) and 40% (W12).
There’s still makers 101 floating in my area. You’re really making me thinking about picking one up
If you like makers at all I'd give it a shot 🤷♂️
I just traded a Weller 12 and ETL(thank you PLCB MSRP :) ) for a Pappy 10. NEVER have tried before, and chose it over the 12 based on the tasting notes. With your video, so far without trying(will tonight), I feel good about my selection per the notes I prefer...... We'll see!
DUDE..how did i miss this one!?!! A Pappy v Weller 12 video!?!?!?! Brilliant. Also makes me think that while i dont do much legit hunting these days...i may have to track down some Fitz.
Don't tell anyone, but I'm trying to track down a Weller full proof to add to the Wellers I have. I have a lead on one, but still haven't closed the deal😂
@@WhiskeyRow A secret of that magnitude will be tough to keep...cough cough (holds out glencarin for a sample)..cough. hahahahaha! Cant wait to hear your thought on it! Ive had and enjoyed the Weller 12 and special reserve.
Nice lineup! It’s tough to find the Old Fitz around here. What’s the price on that one in your area?
Retail... around $85. Everything in VIrginia is retail, just really hard to find
@@WhiskeyRow ahhh gotcha! If you do find one, I’d be happy to pay for it once you do 🙏🏼. Btw, I have that Maple Bourbon for you 😊. I went to the distillery in Vermont and got you one.
Very interesting how it's all referred to as PAPPY, even though the official ones don't start until the 15 yr mark...everything else is just a Van Winkle. That being said...got a 10 yr and a special reserve 12 yr being raffled for purchase in a few days, at one of the local liquor stores, as well as some Elmer T, EH Taylor Barrel Proof & Warehouse C, Blanton's, Michter's 10 yr, Booker's Noe, Little Book, Weller CYPB & Single Barrel. All the other standard BT products (minus George T & Stagg Jr) will be there, plus a wheelbarrow's worth of picks that this store normally doesn't carry (but can usually be purchased at the superstore down the road). Thankfully, this event will not require waiting in line...because it is currently 35 below zero Fahrenheit outside & nobody got time for that!
Fitz bottle looks nice
I also won a Lot B on lottery in Ontario and promptly traded it for a Weller FP and a JD BP Rye. I am down to my last pour of a 60/40 blend of OWA 107/W12. Cannot bring myself to do the blend anymore because I have only 1 unopened Weller 12 left and I may need it for a trade.
Nose on weller 12 is so great i can keep smelling it all day but the proof is killing it . Needs to be at least 100 proof on weller 12 . Again i know it would go more expensive n rare if this happen😅
I own a W12 and a Lot B. I think next to drinking the W12 you really see how good the Lot B is considering is all the better barrels of W12. You might have gotten a really good bottle from a batch
I think Disputanta is up near Petersburg. I “think”…
Yup, mapped it and you are correct!
Old Fitz is definitely top 5 unicorn for me, I never see it in Oregon
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Do you finish all the glasses or dump some of them out? 10oz of bourbon seems like a lot to sip on in one night haha
Infinity bottle gets my partial pours these days lol
10 ain’t nothin
No.. it is all hype.. but it amuses me. most people sip a 20$ bourbon and cannot tell the dif between them and a Pappy whatever.
Wooo
There are those who will say lot b (Van Winkle12 yr) is not Pappy because it does not have the picture of Pappy on the label. I've had a couple bottles of lot b and quite like it but the old Rip 10 yr at 107 is better. I also prefer Weller 107 to their other bottlings.
Would love to see someone compare Rebel 10 yr Single Barrel (Lux Row 100 proof 10 yr wheated bourbon sourced from Heaven Hill) to the Old Fitz 8 or 9. Same juice except the old fitz barrels are cherry picked. I have the Rebel 10 but never had an opportunity to try the Old Fitz.
I have a rebel store pick around 113prf. Should dust it off and check soon!
@@WhiskeyRow if it isn’t aged 10 years, won’t be the same. The Rebel 10 yr single barrel is amazing.
In a WSJ article, about people paying astronomical prices for Pappy, Julian Van Winkle III said "If they're dumb enough to pay that much, that's their prerogative."
I would not compare sample bottles from someone with pours from original bottle. Whiskey sitting in a sample bottle will change in a month, especially if the whiskey is making contact with the cap. A new sample bottle should be cleaned before filling, was it previously used??? You can assume the sample bottle did not add any notes…. But you can not be sure.
It’s technically not Pappy . There are only 3 Pappys. The 15,20, and 23 year . This is the Van Winkle Reserve
Yes, you are correct!
I am commenting before you start the blind. I'd be surprised if it holds up. I was lucky to be at a house that had Rip10, Pappy 12 and 15. I think I built it up too much and was disappointed. They were all good, but I think they are good at retail. Let's see how they hold up for you....
I love this!!! I had the same reaction when I first tasted it in NYC
Another great blind...nice job!
Poor Man’s Pappy is an amazing pour.
Yes! I'm going to take that half that W12 and make one!
Is a 10 year worth buying for 600 and a 12 year pappy 1100 ?
Pappy only comes in 15, 20 and 23 year. Where do you get 12 year Pappy ?
That's a whole lot of bourbon! I'd be on the floor after that.
All Pappy is over rated in my book and I'm not surprised it almost came in last :)
Should of put makers FAE up against it. Easily the best makers on the market. Think it would hold its own.
FAE is way better than 101 but Did you have RC6? Some friends and I blinded RC6, SE4 and FAE after it came out. FAE is good but it came in last out of those three for everyone. I hope FAE-02 is better and looking forward to it coming out later this year
I don't have the RC6 or SE4. I'll have to open the FAE at some point and give it a pour
This title isn’t going to go over well
😂
They are right though
Like everyone is pointing out, it's not Pappy. That said, I've never had 12, but have had 20 and 23, and I personally thought they were amazing. Not several thousand dollars amazing, but they were memorable.
Yes, you are correct! Totally agree it was very memorable, too
After this I’m thinking I’ll trade my pappy 12 for 2 old fitz ‘s
For the money you might be able to get 3... try a pour before you trade it though, 😂
If it really was a 50/50 poor mans you should get a hold of a 60/40, I made both and thought the 60/40 was much better
I will pour a 60/40 and a 50/50 now that I have both the W12 and A107 and see which I like better
It's not a pappy! It's just a Van Winkle. The 10 and the 12 year are not pappy.
Also Rye > Wheat. :-P
I agree that rye is better! Also, you are correct
I have a bottle????
You’re basically trolling with the title.
It wasn't intentional, but did play it fast and loose. In spite of that I hope you enjoyed the video
The purists are going to have a field day over the title of this video. Insert it's not pappy comment here ________.
Yup, pretty similar reaction to if I called Jack Daniels bourbon
That said, they will be right!
@@WhiskeyRow no need to be a know it all about it though. It's just overhyped bourbon at the end of the day.
No
All things considered… availability, secondary price, quality of whiskey… Weller 12 is the worst whiskey there is IMO. Such a boring pour.
I think at or near retail or is fine, but much past that there are better options for sure!