Is Pappy Van Winkle Bourbon TRULY Special? | Tin Cup 10 Year vs Van Winkle Lot B BLIND REACTIONS
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📽 📽 IN THIS WEEK'S VIDEO: Tin Cup 10 Year Bourbon (84 proof, $50-55) vs Van Winkle Lot B 12 Year (90.4 proof, $70-1000+)
We wanted to see if Van Winkle Lot B 12 Year bourbon stood out as anything special in a double blind tasting format, and we wanted to see if a shelf product like Tin Cup 10 Year could give go toe to toe with Pappy.
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Paying for the name...not whats in the bottle is spot on.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” A Tale of Two Cities (Dickens)
Kind of sums up bourbon hunting and FOMO - the 21st-century equivalent of Tulip-Mania.
I got a Van Winkle Lot b in a raffle at retail. There was a guy there that won a Thomas Handy and said he didnt like Ryes. We traded staright up, and I think it is the best trade I have ever made!
Thats an easy trade right there for that to get that Handy
@thebelldozer4658 Handy is easily my favorite rye so it was a great right place-right time moment for sure.
“Saccharin, Aspartame, chemical sweetness” is in the same ballpark as the dreaded Flintstones Vitamins tasting note. Having seen over time that my palate is very similar to Erin's and only slightly less Josh's, makes your tastings interesting and relevant for me. That Pappy Van Winkle got its cork handed to it by you twice in the past week, has served to cure the last remaining vestiges of FOMO in me. Legendary backstories of old codger founders and bottles accessorized with horse figurines and tin tags are a fun part of the hobby, but… Only taste matters and only taste is taste. No mo’ fomo.
All things considered, Makers 46 > Lot B. I do like TinCup, but the price is in the "I really will think hard about it" zone for what it is.
Porter called TC 10 Year the most flavorful low proof bourbon out there and I think I agree.
I’ve had lot B a couple times at a bar with other unicorns and it came in last place both times. I’d have to think hard about spending even $80 on it.
I really appreciate you actually posting this I believe most Whiskey Tubers would not. Good on you!
We definitely don't mind going against the grain. Cheers and thanks for watching!
That was a great review.
If I can’t find it for MSRP then it’s a no go.
Great video, as always. Very informative. For what it would most likely cost to get a bottle of Lot B (or anything in the Van Winkle line) you’d expect it to stand out from an MGP sourced bourbon that’s readily available. I like TinCup whiskeys, but I’d expect any Van Winkle to be substantially better based on price and overall market demand. That the Lot B doesn’t distinguish itself kinda says a lot.
I do enjoy the Tin Cup in the summer… nice flavors and easy drinking when it’s hot!
Wanna try the 14 if I find it… Love the fact that Pappy didn’t stand out much over it…. Nice job guys!
I have Tincup 10 & 14, and Van Winkle 12. I can tell you the 14 is a lot more oaky than the 12. So if oak is your jam, 14er all day. The 10 is definitely closer to the 12. I gladly drink the 10 knowing it's available and similar in experience. Love the dark MGP flavor. It's a good warm-up pour.
This is why you both are the best!
Thanks Dennis! Cheers and hope you’re well!
I’ve tried Pappy and several other supposedly high end bourbons and they never fail to disappoint. The great thing about bourbon is that you can get wonderful bottles for less than $60. WT Rare Breed is just one good example. Pappy only makes sense if you plan to sell it on for a profit. If you plan to drink it it’s total waste of money.
Being a Colorado Native TC 10 & 14 year are two of my favorites. I don’t mind the low proof.
I found Van Winkle 12 Year Lot B last week for $89.99. It was on the shelf at my local liquor store. First time I saw it on the shelf without being in a raffle or lottery. Have not had it before, so really looking forward to sharing with my family and friends. Tin Cup 10 and 14 are good for 84 proof sippers. 🥃
Great find! Definitely an easy buy to try at that price considering the rarity. Good on your store for putting it out at that price.
Had a customer recently tell me he spent 1100 on a lot b. It was hard to keep a straight face.
LOL. Can you imagine? Buy a lot b or build an entire bourbon library majority of which would be a better pour than lot b.
"All Y'All", now that's Southern plural! Kinda like Bofum times ten. Not being disrespectful, just translating for my northern brethren, right Buddy(ies)? You know, I remember when you guys (mostly Erin) weren't quite the higher proof, Erin was the rye lover (and not the tasting professional)...it's been cool to watch you guys evolve as you progress with your channel. I will say that I believe I saw a video where you guys said that Tin Cup 10 year was worth buying but the rest of the Tin Cup line up wasn't worth it (I could be wrong but I did hear that). Cheers guys, thanks for this video.
TC10 is a great buy for a light and easy sweet and oaky sipper-think replacement for Eagle Rare if you can’t find it-but the proof and flavor on both it and Eagle Rare just aren’t our thing and we’re not reaching for those bottles much (if ever) anymore.
I will eventually buy a Pappy at some crazy price just to own one despite your advice 😂. Thanks for the video.
That’s fair. 😆 It’s a bit of a rite of passage in some ways.
“ Serviceable position” that’s what she said! 😂
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Love the 10 yr..pallets are different
Tin Cup 10yr is... fine. A good low-proof pour, if a bit over-priced for what you get. I do like the Tin Cup 14er better than the 10yr as it does have more flavor, but would it kill them to up the proof?! I mean, I got it for under $70 so I'm not *necessarily* mad at the price, but I want to try it at 100 proof.
I can only find Van Winkle (of any kind) to taste at a bar in a few places near me, and they want like $150+ for a 1oz pour, so I'm not even tasting it any time soon, but I'm glad to see I'm not missing much.
Thanks, as always, for helping to fight the FOMO!
Tin Cup 10 or 14 at 100 proof would be awesome. We need that for sure!
Great review, I do grab a few low proof whiskeys for guests. Tin Cup 10yr has been on my get list for this reason but I haven't seen it on the shelves anywhere since its been on my radar (about 7 or 8 months) I had the chance to get a Van Winkle lot B (MSRP) last year, I only got it to trade. Thanks again!
Save a few bucks for non whiskey drinkers, just go with regular Tin Cup. New whiskey drinkers seem to enjoy it.
@smac2047 the regular Tin Cup is awful in our opinion. We’d much rather pay a bit more and stick to a straight bourbon whiskey.
@stuffandwhiskey I donno, I consider it a guilty pleasure.
Damn, Erin. I’d have guessed very early 30s max.
Sunscreen and skin care is the secret!
I have had the chance to taste the Van Winkle 10 and 12 in the past. Both were unremarkable and I couldn't even finish the pour of the 10 the last time.
Like artificial sweetener, maybe aspartame? I'm definitely out on Tin Cup!
As far as "wheaters",... I currently favor Makers Cask Strength and Old Elk Wheated.
🥃 Cheers 🥃
jack Daniel's barrel proof 64 avb and stagg jr will do …
I'd like to see a Russel's 10 in a blind like this.
We’ve got at least one or two Russell’s 10 matchups in the back catalog. They’re fun videos!
I am drinking a pour of Russels 10 right now and it is my shelf staple. Love it!
100% agree with not overpaying for hyped up whisky or hyped investments! Index funds all the way! More scotch please😁
PAPPY CHEERS 😊
You know that book..........I never read it, but if this was a book! That's some funny S#*! right there!
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Have you all had Rebel 10 year in a blind yet?
Great question. It flat out doesn’t get distributed in our market so we’ve never owned a bottle.
@@stuffandwhiskey There's always LuxRow on your next Bardstown trip.
Had the Tin Cup in a bar recently. Completely underwhelmed. Had a Lot B bottle 2 years ago, paid $90 for it. Drank it, enjoyed it but I like the Old Rip better, the 107 proof point is much better.
Proof *and* age are the magic recipe for wheaters. If they lack one or the other, they’re pretty underwhelming for us more often than not.
Theres a time and place for blow pop!
I had the Van Winkle Lot B at a bar a while back. It tastes good, but I find it to be stylistically unremarkable. It is just one of many good quality, classic style bourbons, and numerous others of comparable quality are a lot easier to find. If it could be found for around $70 to $80, it would be a perfectly good bottle of lower strength bourbon to have around. I prefer higher strength (minimum 50%) and/or stylistic uniqueness when I'm paying close attention to the bourbon, but a lower strength one is nice either as a warm-up, as a pairing with lighter food, or when I'm doing other things and just want to drink something without giving it my undivided attention.
I've gone to bars and tried a few of the hyped up and allocated spirits, and on a couple occasions, I discovered them before they got hyped up and bought them without paying through the nose. They have all been good, but I can think of only one whisky off the top of my head that even came close to living up to the hype: Springbank 15-year. If I find it at a price that is a bit high but not totally ridiculous, I'll probably buy it. I can think of a substantial list of others that I've tried and liked, but that I do not think justify the hype and associated high prices: Yamazaki 18-year, Blanton's, Whistle Pig Boss Hog, High West Midwinter Night's Dram, various E.H. Taylor bottles, Weller 12-year and Antique 107, Eagle Rare 10-year, Stagg, and of course, Van Winkle Lot B. All of these are good, and if they were available and their prices were in line with their quality, I would happily buy any of these. (I currently have a single barrel pick of Eagle Rare 10, and the only reason I have it is that I stumbled onto it, got to try it first, and the price was fair.) Since they either aren't available or cost way too much if they are, I'll find other things to buy.
Funny you should mention Springbank 15. We’ve been pondering that or the 10 year and didn’t know how they compared. The 15 is worth paying up for?
@@stuffandwhiskey You can't go wrong with either one, but the 15-year is significantly harder to find and more expensive than the 10-year. As with anything that is hyped up, the price could vary depending on where you find it. I've seen it for around $250, while the 10-year is a bit over $100 lately. Both are expensive for their age ranges, but Springbank is high quality and unique, so it is worth paying a little extra for it. The 15-year is interesting enough relative to the 10-year that I might be able to talk myself into paying $250 even though I think the 10-year is also great and is almost certainly a better value. I have the 10-year at home, and I'll probably revisit the 15-year at the bar before I decide that I truly must have it. If you've never had Springbank, I would recommend starting with the 10-year since it is the entry level product and gives a good idea of the distillery's fundamental style, but if you see the 15-year or another one at a bar, definitely give it a try if the price isn't out of line.
Enjoy you guys. But knowing you struggle to enjoy anything lower than 100 proof makes it hard to connect on the content. Hope you all do great
And once again, spending a lot of money doesn’t mean a great whiskey.. seriously you can get great whiskey for under 80
I feel like your other review of tin cup was much more positive
Yep! Just goes to show how palates can vary day to day! That’s why we often put things in the sample pool twice.
I bought Tin Cup for $40. I would never buy Pappy.
The one time I had Lot B I thought it was trash. The 10 year was better.
The proof of Old Rip 10 certainly helps a ton!
“Serviceable position” 🤣 What direction are you taking this channel?!?! ❌❌❌
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Don't make it sound like only "newbies' can enjoy lower proof bourbon. Comes off as very snobby and frankly it isn't true.
Low proof bourbon is not our thing, but it’s also not mutually exclusive with those new to the hobby. We thought we were pretty clear about that. People should like what they like.
@@stuffandwhiskey IDK, I listened again and it still sounded pretty condescending to me regarding anyone who might enjoy something lower proof. Just me maybe
Not buying van winkle that's for sure.
I find people tend toward hating on things they don’t have. The old “Porsches are just glorified Volkswagens” thing.
Some people, sure. Taste of whiskey vs engineering and performance of vehicles is a tough parallel to draw though. Most Porsches are measurably better than most VWs in almost every way. The same can’t be said for one decently aged 90 proof whiskey vs another.