Did Winchester tell the whole truth about 350 Legend? - The Social Regressive
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- 350 Legend is advertised the fastest straight-wall cartridge; a round tailor-made for deer hunters that want to use the AR 15 platform. But is that the whole story?
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Let's delve into the SAAMI specs and see what Winchester 350 Legend really is. Truth be told, it looks like Winchester cooked up a cartridge that's even better than advertised. Yes it's a fast straight-wall cartridge that can meet the requirements for Ohio deer hunting, but it's much more than that. It's a relatively inexpensive close-range hunting round, a devastating plinker, and a fun reloading cartridge. We're talking about roughly $1.30 each for premium hunting ammo, $0.50 each for FMJ target ammo, and a whole world of .357 and 9mm projectiles for reloading. When you factor in its relatively low weight, slim dimensions, and heavy hit, 350 Legend begins to look more and more appealing.
There are some caveats: Yes, 350 Legend trajectory carves a rainbow through the air compared to 6.5 Grendel and 223 Remington. No, it doesn't deliver the same punch as 458 SOCOM. No, you can't use the large library of .358-caliber projectiles. But when you consider the ammo price, the ease of converting a rifle to 350 Legend, and the potential for expanded magazines, 350 Legend may strike the right balance for deer and hog hunters.
In these tests I'll be using the CMMG Resolute 350 Legend, a lightweight AR that should show off CMMG's legendary precision and reliability. There are a handful of other 350 Legend rifles out there from Ruger, Winchester, and Savage: a great start for an interesting cartridge. Let's see what happens!
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Kyle Broderick, The Social Regressive
Chapters:
00:00 Even Better?
00:30 Hunting Purpose
02:32 Vs 450 Bushmaster
04:26 Easy Upper Swap
05:06 Ammo Price
06:20 Handloading
06:51 SAAMI Specs
08:30 Super 9mm?
11:36 Components
12:24 358 Legend
13:10 CMMG Resolute
14:10 Handloading
15:22 Vs 223
16:08 Ballistics Charts!!!
26:11 Final Notes 
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Ny rifle opener last Saturday. I shot a big fat doe with the 350L. She died on the way to the dirt. 180 grain Winnies were $19. Make no mistake, this is not just a round for straight wall states it’s an amazingly effective load for all eastern style farm and wood lot hunting and in fact useful countrywide.
Anyone in Ohio who is confused on .350Legend's legality. Its 100% legal, I've even confirmed with ODNR.
I hunt with a 30 06 thought It was neat they let yalll use rifles without a permit like I got
It’s also on the list of straight wall rifles that can be used in ohio that’s why I went with it
Great video! This is the most comprehensive summary of the 350 Legend that I've seen. Earned my subscription! Looking forward to the rest of the videos.
Thanks, Jason! Tests coming soon...
First day I have heard this channel !! Wow ! Loads of Knowledge, thank you , Merry Christmas from an Ohio Ruger Collector
You did a great job! So clear and up front. Good charts. Yes, everyone has their favorites that fits there needs.
What an excellent and very thorough video presentation... Thank you!!!
Love your video. Very informative. Thank you for the great information, loved your pistol hunting bench I have one just like it. I'm waiting for the Tikka rifle to come out in 350 Legend in tactical mode or model
The most informative with least amount of blathering about how this cartridge is not as good as so and so cartridge. Good video. I bought a .350 complete upper and added it to a build lower. Have not hunted with it but for hitting paper and metal gongs, I like what I have seen so far. Waiting for an opportunity to over power a feral hog with this round.
For my straight walled cartridge, caliber choice. I believe you have me sold on the .350 Legend
If you aint got one in yer closet, you aint bought and you aint 'sold' on anything
Man thanks for the detailed explanation! Really good information.
just run .358 through a sizing die, thats what i do, size to .356, shoots fine
No issues with deforming jackets?
@@trevorfout4759 they have thick jackets and it's only shrinking it 2 thousandths
Great idea.
Hey brother! Sizing fmj bullets is not advised from the manufacturer as possible separation from the jacket and lead core. Definitely posses a risk in a canned gun. Starline brass purposely made their brass 1 thousandths thinner for 357/358
@@EagleEyeShooting bullets i was using are bonded, pretty unlikely to separate just going .002 smaller
Thank you for the very informative video! The limited firearm zone in Michigan changed and now I have to consider something else to use.
You have a few good options that'll get the job done.
I've been loading 357 pistol bullets for my model 8 and 336 35 Remington for a decade now. In that time I have been salivating to get a 35 R.E.M. barrel and bolt head made for a short action Stoner rifle. This year I think is the year. With 158 jfps I'm getting 2500 fps out of the Mod 8. With no cycling issues in that crazy Browning action and minute of deer accuracy
I've been fantasizing about .35 Remington in an AR platform. Please tell me someone will release an upper assembly!
In the 15 platform it would be hand load only. In the 10 the rifle rounds would work
Phillip Saunders my son found a shop that does the custom barrels for just about any caliber you ask for.
lil woody link?
Rara Neagra I'll type slowly. Loaded With 158 Grain Hornady XTP Pistol Bullets The OAL is Less Than 2.250 Inches. Loaded to the cantilur with 140 grain FTX Hornady they are shorter than that.
I have a Bear Creek Arsenal 350 legend upper assembly. Made it to an Aero Precision Lower with a rise armament trigger. It is amazing. Love that rifle and cartridge. It devastates Texas feral hogs.
I keep waiting for another hog hunt. Gotta make one happen.
Much higher number of available projectiles is why I chose .458 socom over 50 Beowulf or .450 bushmaster for my big bore AR build. Plus the fact that the rounds fit in standard AR mags was another big factor.
This .350 legend is looking very interesting too.
The 450 bushmaster has plenty of available projectiles lol
@@ryantogo8359 Yea, now it does, but my comment was from 3 years ago and I bought my 458 socom upper 10+ years ago. at the time .451-52 selection of projectiles was really sparce, certainly no projectiles suitable for subsonic from a 450 bushmaster AR. Here's the other thing I've come to realize is that you can load and shoot the .451-52 projectiles out of the .458 barrel with good results, especially for cheap plinkers. I doubt you would have good results with 458 projectiles out of the 450 barrel. So, with the 458 the selection is still vastly bigger, especially if you load your own, LOL!
Excellent review. Articulate and fact filled. Great job.
A warning statement for anyone who wants to shoot 350 legend in a Ar15. It comes with alot of reliability problems. If you can legally buy a 300 blackout for hunting go with blackout over 350 legend. Or 450 bushmaster if you need straight wall cartridge
This younger man hosting this video has a creepy look of death in his wide serious eyes. The black facial hair enhances the spine-chill factor. This man could easily pass for an Army drill sergeant or a Marine DI with a shaving profile. This looks like a man not to make enemies of.
When I see the .350 Legend makes me think of the old 350 Win Self Load round.Also looks like an enlarged .30 Carbine round-bigger and more powerful,of course.Just similar cartridge shape.
That's pretty much exactly what it is, super 30 carbine, or mega 357 magnum. The real benefit is that it functions awesome out of standard ar mags.
Winchester and Hornady both have bullets available for reloaders, good luck finding them in stock for a while
I am in Texas and just finished a AR build in 350 legend for hogs. I am always trying new calibers on the piggy’s. I have been happy with accuracy at 100-150. Been producing consistent 1” 1/4 groups. It’s a pretty sweet little round but I can see why people hunting in the restricted states haven’t transitioned yet.
Not bad at all. I didn't expect that much accuracy from this cartridge, but so far mine is printing much like yours. Happy Hunting, Tommy!
There are so many stories drop them or they lose them...no blood trails... hmmmm
Probably my favorite all purpose rifle cartridge.
Great video. Being I shoot 45 LC I think this video sold me more on the 450 bushmaster. I have and reload for that .452 already and shows that the 450 and the heavier 350 had same trajectory with the 450 putting down energy much further.
Your exactly right. Get the 450 Bushmaster over the 350 Legend. Ballistically superior.
Thank you Gary for the information
The balance between weight and operating velocity is a good reason to put this out in .357. The heavier .358 bullets will not perform at the velocities this cartridge can manage.
@@chaist94 That would do it.
Buy the cheap ammo and reload your saved brass for hunting for cheap.
The reason they did not go to .358 is that Winchester wanted a monopoly on the hunting bullets.
I would keep an eye on the cheap brass. Some of the early lots have had inconsistent case lengths, which can be a big deal with this cartridge. As long as it's in spec, though, heck yeah!
The .358 caliber bullets are all too strong for the relatively low velocities the legend shoots, you will not get proper expansion in those bullets. It kinda sucks, but it at least has good reasoning.
Great info thanks !
Thank you for clearing this up. Also, that is a great looking rifle btw
I dozed off while you were sitting there droning on. I woke up and you were still sitting there droning on. Thanks for the nap time. As for the video, you didn't sell me on the ideo of investing in a 350L.
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There’s a fair selection of.358 bullets that you can effectively swage down to .356 Lee #90046, it’s for cast bullets but a similar .318” one works fantastically taking .323” diameter jacketeds down.
This may be my new favorite round. Zero recoil makes for accurate shooting. Tried it once on a nice bucks @ 150 yds he dropped in his tracks. In Ms we can use this round in single shot rifles in primitive weapon season. Sure beats being best up by 45-70s and 35 Welens! I like my CVA 350 so much I will hunt with it most of the time of I'm not taking over 200yds which is about where I feel it's effectiveness in deer goes to.
I didn't know CVA made one. Thanks for the alert!
Yes the CVA Scout V2 Takedown in 350 Legend sports a 20in stainless, fluted, threaded barrel and a 2.7lb trigger pull. Very nice rifle. I have one in 350 and one in 6.5 Creedmoor.
Thanks for sharing, pretty good comparison chart. I know that you could have added more like the 6.8 Rem SPC, but those other ones aside from the .223 and 6.5 Grendel compare in style to the .350 Legend. I want to build my own AR-15 mostly for predator/coyote hunting, starting with .223 since I already have some handloads using 65 grain Sierra Gamekings and 25 grains of CFE 223 (my brother took his AR back after 12 years to use for deer and hogs in SC). But my next upper probably would be the 6.5 Grendel or 450 Bushmaster since I live in WV and Ohio isn't too far from me, plus heavy thumpers seem fun. My brother built a .350 Legend AR-15 for under $500 including a 20" complete upper from Bear Creek Arsenal for around $200-225.
I currently work at Walmart and the only ammo that we sell out of all of those on the chart is .450 Bushmaster in Hornady Black and Rem AccuTip and that is only because my dept manager ordered them after we finally got the Ruger Ranch rifle AFTER rifle season was over. We have been trying to get .350 Legend in since that is what everyone wants this year instead of the .450 BM that took us forever to get. But Walmart is super slow on the uptake with new ammo, cartridges, firearms and so much more.
I've seen 350 Legend at the Walmart near me, but I haven't checked in a while. I'd be curious to see how it's selling.
@@SocialRegressive must be a different distributor or people in charge of Walmart in that region. Sports South is the distributor that the Walmart I work at uses, they have the gun (probably a Ruger Ranch rifle, which there is a Sports South Exclusive) and ammo, but for some reason it is not on file to be sold at Walmarts in our region at this time. There are plenty of manufacturers that make them too; Ruger, Mossberg in their Patriot line, Savage Axis XP, Winchester XPR, etc...
As far as the 358 bullets . I know a fellow that sized down some speer hot core bullets. Has worked quite well so far.
Wilson combat makes 15 round mags but they work at 19+1. I bought 3 there doing me a fantastic job
The 9mm critical duty 135 gr round would make an excellent hunting round at 2000+ fps. The round was designed with limited expansion out of a pistol, so you should have a great expansion window.
I wish Hornady would sell the squish-tip bullets for reloading. I have some XTPs I'll try, but I'd sure like that flat nose.
I dont think so. 135gr will be around 2500fps and the bullet wasnt designed for that. It will explode in the first inches and would lack in penetration.
Great looking rifle. And I was going to go with the 450 but now I'm leaning towards the 350. And hopefully I can do this rifle I like it that much.
If you can reload the .450 is a better round with great knock down power
Stick with the 450. I own both the 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster in Ruger American's and the 450 is much more versatile. The 450 gives you the option of light or heavy loads and with 225gr FTX handloads (2500fps in a bolt gun) sighted in 2" high at 150 yards it shoots flat to over 250. If your recoil sensitive the 350 is the way to go, I bought one for my grandchildren to use and they love it and it's cheaper to shoot but the 450 shines against deer.
What are your thoughts on 350L in revolver length barrels? Mainly 4.5"-6.5". Would be wanting to run some hefty subsonics and stabilization is a worry.
Here in Ohio we are restricted to straight wall cartridges for deer hunting. I’d just go with a 45-70 in lever or bolt action. I haven’t seen many spots here where one would have a clear shot over 150 yards.
That's like some of terrain out here in Eastern OK. Out West it's MUCH different.
I hunted last year with a .450 bushmaster in a AR with a 20 inch barrel. Absolutely dropped the hammer on a couple deer. Bear creek arsenal has complete upper for like 250 bucks. I also have the .50 Beowulf from them (same price) they shoot great
I took a 250lb black bear off his feet at 75yds with AR in .450 great round for my area, thick woods don't give long range opportunities
Rara Neagra yes it is legal
I haven't read the other comments yet. My experiences are well over 150yard clear shots
I bout a KAK 358 Legend barrel. It does shoot everything.355, .356, .357, .358 , shoots all to same level of accuracy. They’ve been out for a while. I don’t know why but I’m glad I got mine when I did. Starline proving to be the best brass.
That's great to hear! I figured there would be a lot of gas blow-by with .355, but if it prints, then heck yeah! I guess that's like how I load .308 bullets in 7.62x54R.
I believe the idea and grandfather of this cartridge is the old .351 Winchester. It was the very best “in-between” round of its time. Not full rifle power but more power than a pistol. The .351 Winchester was well known and widely used by civilians and law enforcement right up until WW2 and a little thereafter. I wish they’d bring it back, but this will do for the time being lol.
You nailed it 351 was amazing sold my win because of lack of brass 357 maxiam split .the legend relives
Just purchased an APF-15 that shoots 350 legend. I’m super excited to get out to shoot it! (And Yes I have a .223 upper to switch out)
The .350 Legend did for the .357 Magnum what the .300 Weatherby Magnum did for the .30-06 Springfield. Winchester took a venerable, effective, and ubiquitous cartridge, gave it laser-like velocity, sledgehammer-like punch down range, practical application, and reliability. Love mine in a 7.5 inch AR pistol configuration.
Guns N Basses Forever!🔫🎸
I wanna see your pistol's fireball. Sounds like a fun hand-cannon.
@@SocialRegressive
Feeding it 170 grain Hornady SPs stoked with 26 grains of H110. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "How to train your dragon!"💥
The most interesting component bullet option I've seen is the 165 gr. Hornady FTX. Unfortunately, I could not find them in stock.
I can't find them, either.
Hoenady357 ssp, great for a rifle
really covered this round , make it sound a useful hand loader product
big fan of the 35 caliber for hunting.
I wish you had included the 44 Magnum in a Ruger Deerstalker carbine. Maxes out at about 125 yds and close to 1000 ft lbs depending on ammo. I'd like to see Ruger bring the carbine back in the 350 Legend using a clip magazine and keep the weight similar to the original. It was a wonderful woods rifle in NYS Adirondacks for deer and people are still trying to locate used ones.
I love mine
I'm wondering if reloading that case with a 9mm or a .357 Hornady Critical Defense bullet would be an effective longer range personnel defense load?
I appreciate the video, thanks. I absolutely abhor the repeated assertions of "it takes 'x' ft. lbs of energy to kill an animal".. there are simply too many variables within a single caliber, let alone an attempt to generalize EVERY bullet for EVERY caliber in any given situation. It's just mind-boggling how seemingly intelligent individuals fall into this thinking w/o examination. To illustrate: a 62 grain. 223 FMJ has almost identical "energy" at 215 yards as a 200 grain .35 Rem soft point..so, same same, right? Good to go? IMO "energy" is useless information w/o the more important variables accounted for.
I get the legality aspect and I like seeing things like this developed to further utilize the AR platform. For me however, not having the need has me completely addicted to 6.5 Grendel and your chart shows why it's such a great cartridge. Still. I'm starting to come around on .350 legend more and more. It's a neat idea and I love that it still uses the 5.56 BCG.
.350 Legend has a lot going for it, at least in states like mine that require straight wall cartridges for deer. I just used it on a buck during gun season at about 100m and can attest to its effectiveness.
If I had a choice of bottlenecks, however, I'd probably use my .308, .300blk, or build a 6.5Grendel.
My son has taken several deer with my 6.5 grendel. In my opinion it's the best whitetail cartridge that will fit on an AR15. On top of that wolf makes cheap steel case grendel for plinking.
One of my local gun shops caries a cheap plinking 6.5G ammo called Barnaul or $6 a box
As a user of the 450 Bushmaster, I can state that the Hornady Black series with FTX bullets sell for $26.95 a box at my LGS. I reload for mine, but $26.00 plus or minus is about par for any premium hunting ammo for medium sized game. I will agree the 350 Winchester will offer more magazine capacity and a pocket full of cartridges will not pull your pants down like the larger straight wall cartridges. Another plus is the the cartridge uses the same BCG as the .223. I use standard AR mags with the 450 Bushmaster by means of a snap in follower that rotates in over top the AR follower. The 450 follower can be easily rotated out making my standard AR mags more versatile.
I believe another good benefit of the 350 Winchester is the reduced recoil. The 450 Bushmaster, .458 Socom, and 50 Beowulf are not soft recoiling rifles and those persons who are recoil sensitive would benefit from the new Winchester cartridge.
Great data, Jacob, and thank you very much. I missed the Hornady Black series, and that's a heckuva bargain for a heavy hitter. Once I finish this 350 Legend and 458 SOCOM series I might try putting together a 450 Bushmaster rig to see how it compares in the field.
Thanks for the information, but I am a bit confused as to why you were talking about bullet drop but had windage circled on the ballistic charts.
Can someone explain what I am misunderstanding? Thanks.
Whoops! Read my own chart wrong. I'm used to emphasizing windage for my long-range work.
.357 & .358 bullets can be resized with the .356 Lee Sizing Die Kit ($20).
I really do wish you had included the 300 Ham'r. I built one just before the Legend came out. It is a better cartridge and great for reloaders.
300 hamr 👍🏿
Tell me about that Hmr , is it a full length 223 necked up or is it cut down at all?
I like to explain it as a 300 Blackout MAGNUM. Case is still cut down, but is 1/4” longer than the 300 BLK. This means it is supersonic only; big sub bullets won’t fit in the magazine with the longer case. I think the 300 HAM’R beats the 350 Legend in every category except, it’s not a straight wall.
@@harteverett I built a 7.62x40WC which is the old version of the 300HMR. Wilson just moved the shoulder forward .040" for the 300 BUT I love the cartridge. You just cut the neck off a .223 and reform it in a set of standard dies, takes no time at all. Check out RUclips for vidoe's on the process. With 125gr Nosler BT bullets using A1680 powder and a 20" barrel I get a little over 2550fps and hit in the chest behind the front leg it's dropped 6 deer DRT with no tracking. For practice any 150gr bullet will work with a load of A5744 or H110 for cheap fun.
My local Cabala's has .50 Beowolf for $26.99 in the FMJ. The hollowpoint is $27.99.
As a 50 Beowulf I get 300 grain round nosed copper plated bullets for $23 a box and some 350 and 400 grain hollow points for $28 to $38 a box
Not bad all!
What scope is on your rifle?
It actually remindes me of the old 38-55
Except that bullet is actually .375" diameter!
@@jeffreylay9606 still, it looks like it had an influence
I wonder if this round would do well in a shorter-barrel, a carbine/AR pistol with this round would be awesome.
I suspect you're right. A pistol model would be crazy fun at the range.
@@chaist94 I completely forgot about that. Thanks.
@@chaist94 My dad actually used a 30-30 for deer, I just wondered about new cartridge and loading. I remember how 5.56 wasn't very good in short barreled weapons back in the day.
I'm also wondering about heavier bullets in a subsonic load. Ultimate version of the .300 Blackout??
Personally, I was a bit upset when this caliber came out, because it was my first thought when I held a .300 Blackout round in my hand.
@@chaist94 It's about piston area, not expansion volume.
Cabela's carries .50 Beowulf. I've gotten it for less than $30 a box of 335gr. Ranier hollowpoint. The only downside for the Beowulf that I've found is recoil.
I figured that limited mag capacity was the factor that would keep die hard pig hunters from running this caliber.
I know I was very excited for this caliber. When it came out I was in the process of looking for a single shot 357 mag to ream to 357 Maximum. For my daughter's to hunt with. The 350L falls right into that ballistic envelope.
Only reason I shy'd away. Was early reliability issues, magazine issues, along with feeding troubles. That isn't the experience I wanted my girls to have while hunting.
With a lot of those early teething issues addressed. I find myself considering it again.
20 round mags aren't big enough for pig hunters? lol
@@ryantogo8359 20s should be more than enough. The 6.5 grendel is real popular night thermal scope pig hunting. And 26 round mags are the larger caps for it.
P. O. Ackley shot 8mm bullets in .308 caliber barrels w/o much problems. I'm sure some of the higher weight .358 bullets will work subsonic
Doing bullets on Bambi, if you don't have to have a straight wall cartridge, 6.5 Grendel, next 6.8spc, then 350legend. for the ar 15 platform. I have not had any issues finding rounds for Grendel or 6.8 in my area stores. I believe the 6.5 Grendel to be the very best kid friendly deer round there is.
.308 for the win
So could you push 358 diameter bullets through a Lee sizing die and resize them to 357 or 355 and then load them into the 350 Legend ?
Yes
What states have the straight-walled cartridge requirements and restrict bottle-necked cartridges? I can’t find this information. I know Ohio requires that, but what other states require straight-wall? Thanks.
It's funny how something number based like velocity has become a subjective term now. I guess anyone can say the 350 Legend is "Fastest" for straight walled cartridges at 2100 fps and just ignore the 375 Winchester ever existed.
Not to mention the original 444 marlin factory load fired a 240 grainer at 2400 fps. Winchester's marketing BS.
I’m waiting for the day that we are finally past everyone comparing things to .223. I feel like if you’re gonna compare straight wall cartridges we should be comparing this to the 45-70, .450, and even .444 Marlin. Please let’s get these big bore cartridges back into style! A wise old man once told me, ammunition companies aren’t making new bullets and brass, but simply repurposing them. A lot of truth in the 350 legend being a .357 diameter bullet
And I'm waiting for the day when a Ford model A will be the benchmark for comparing cars as opposed to a Toyota Camry. I suspect I'm going to keep waiting.
I would say you’d be waiting. But at that point what are you comparing? They’re cars. 4 wheels. 4 cylinders. And that’s about it. Out of those calibers they compared, how many are straight wall cartridges? Better yet, how many were over .357 and a straight wall? This video was awesome! A bunch of great info. But isn’t the point to compare apples to apples? Or to simply get AR guys to see what you can do with another bullet in your platform? I could be missing something though.
@@xa3577 This video is for the people who might be interested in 350 Legend. Those are people who want to hunt with an AR but live in specific states. That means they are normally AR shooters, so the relevant comparisons are commonly available AR15 rounds. 223 is the most obvious comparison. 45/70 isn't relevant because it won't fit in the AR15, and doesn't fit within their legal restrictions. That was my point.
GunFun ZS So back to your car analogy, would you enter a Toyota Camry, into a race that only Ford Model A’s can compete in? Of course you wouldn’t. Just like you wouldn’t hunt with a cartridge that isn’t straight wall, IN STRAIGHT WALL STATES. I’m here to tell you, a 45-70, 50 beuwolf, 350 legend, and a few other straight wall cartridges can be, have been, and will be placed into an AR platform. My issue with this, whole new cartridge, is for those who live in states, governed by laws that are strict on the straight wall cartridges, know what works, and at what range. “5 feet of drop at 500 yards”. C’mon. Get real. That’s ridiculous.
GunFun ZS so, to my point. You’d like to watch a 30 minute long video, watching someone comparing the STRAIGHT WALL 350 legend, to a bunch of other rounds that you can’t even hunt with? Makes sense.
450BM is the way to go, bullets nearly twice the weight and moves out at the same velocity around 2200 fps, custom loads out of a bolt action rifle can push near 2400 fps, its more accurate in my experience, and has better range. Only downfall is price but are you hunting with it or planking with it, and a lot of guys are building these off of their AR's to hunt with not go shoot for fun lol, plus if being built off of an AR you already have you're your 223 barrel for fun.
I bought a case of the 255g subsonic from Winchester. Who makes this projectile so I can handload it?
It's only available in factory ammo right now. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one bullet they don't release on its own, too. But we'll see!
Haven’t started reloading for the 350 legend but I built one for my kids to hunt with the Winchester 150gn xp seems to be a good bullet been hunting with those and the 170gn hornady interlock. But I’ve built almost all these calibers ks47, had a couple 300blk that’s what my son hunted with last year 110gn tsx is the only bullet I’d use in it but I sold both of the 300blk. Got a 458 upper but it just doesn’t have the range and the ammo is too much. I use an 18” 6.5 grendel with 120gn Speer gold dot and my son now uses the 16” 6.5 grendel with 110gn controlled chaos round which both do very well. I don’t mind having to order the ammo I’ve got over 1000rds of steel case and 800rds of brass cased ammo stacked up now. My nephew will still be using the 350 this year but it’s hard to beat a 6.5 grendel. Even good match ammo for the Grendel is only 20$ a box with hornady black and a few good hunting loads the hornady sst and federal fusion are around 20-25$ a box.
That's a good price on 6.5 Grendel. What a sweet cartridge.
The Social Regressive yea I’ve got a pawn shop here in town that keeps it in stock for me too. He has the 123gn eld 22$ 123gn sst 20$ 90gn federal tnt jhp 52$ 50rd box. And some 120gn American Eagle hpbt for 26$ a box. I wish the bigger stores would start carrying it. My local academy does have the 123gn eld black for like 19$ a box but they are usually out of stock. I ordered 1500rds of the wolf 100gn fmj over the past couple years it’s like 120$ for 500rds and I usually drop in the pawn shop once a week or so and pick up a box that hornady brass is good stuff to reload too. And as far as deer hunting with it I’ve switched from my trusty 270win over to using nothing but the Grendel last year and have no plans on going back. I’ve killed deer from 25yds out to 280yds never had one run more than 30-40yds before expiring. And it’s awesome for kids has no recoil and if you build it right you can have them a nice light handy rifle. My 16” rifle weighs 6.8lbs with a 1.5-5x leupold vxiii scope and a 15rd mag. That’s the rifle my son uses most, such an upgrade over the 300blk and 223 he was using. My deer rifle is an 18” faxon match series gunner profile magpul ubr stock midwest 15” handguard rock river 2 stage trigger and a 4-14x primary arms acss Orion scope. That barrel is awesome very capable of 1/2” groups when I do my part. I’ll check back in on this experiment and let you know how my nephew does with the 350 I built that he’s using this year.
I kind of wish you would have used a 110 grain 300blk load for comparison, it does a lot better than a 135 in my experience. A 110 Barnes tac tx will keep over 1000ft/lbs of energy out to like 190 yards and at 200 it has 975 at a factory load, with my hand loads it does a little better. And at 500 yards it has 7ft of drop. I just think this is more fare to 300blk.
Good morning!
I have looked all through your MANY videos and couldn't find your thoughts on the 300blk. Did I over look your a video on the 300blk?
I haven't discussed 300blk yet. It's a strange cartridge. I think it makes the most sense as a subsonic ar cartridge, like a heavy pistol round that's insanely quiet. If I intended to shoot supersonics, though, I'd probably opt for 7.62x39.
@@SocialRegressive thank you for your fast reply. Now we know. I have a Ruger American Ranch in a 300blk. Now with the years gone by I think a .243 would have been a better choice. Had a 30-06 but after a round of shooting it wasn't fun anymore. Lol.
I hear that! Those big ones are fun when standing or hunting, but prone and bench...
I wanted to build a custom Mauser carbine with an 18” barrel for still hunting and tracking white tails. One of my rounds of choice would be the .350 legend, I’ve never used one, but I seem to be finding conflicting opinions on the rounds performance.
Trust Me When I Say It's The Best I've Ever Shot A Big Buck With, In My lifetime Of Hunting And I'll be 60 years old by the Time this Deer Season Gets Here , The 350 Ledgend is the One I've Been Searching For , It's Got Everything You need for A Close To What I Call Mid Range Hunting Situation , I have the pictures to back It up , I've Gotten Really Selective in the last Several years Up until 2022 it had been 5 years since I had pulled the trigger on a buck , But Man Alive I had the Best Year ever in 22/23 season , Praying for a repeat for 23/24 ,
@@donniedickerson8077 that’s great to know, i’ve always been a big fan of 3006 and 7mm rem mag, however i’ve been looking for a decent mid range cartridge with a little more punch than 30-30 and 7.62x39.
I have 6.8 Rem Spc and 6.5 Grendel never looked back but I hunt in states I can use those freely, yes if you do not then 350 Legend is your best of course, but I love love 6.8 SPC it the hunting round for an AR15 platform and is commonly chambered.
Do you have any issues finding ammo for the 6.8 and what prices do you find on that ammo?
@@donniem6191 I reload but my local gun shop can get it easy enough, about 15 to 25 box
Sub'd. Very informative.
Bear Creek Arsenal has some very good prices for the Legend uppers
I was between investing in 450 bush and 350 legend. I went and got a 350 legend upper this weekend and took the plunge. Thanks for making these great videos it helped me find the direction I went. Let you know what I think.
Please do. I've been interested to hear what other folks think of the cartridge.
I have both and can’t go wrong either way .
I have problems with my Winchester brass my Is lyman gauge is will not set all the way in
How peculiar. Is it just WInchester brass?
What scope are you using on that gun
US Optics TS-6X ffp. Great scope for hunting, too.
Great job.
I am building (almost done) piece by piece a Nerf gun look alike in 350 & i'm super excited to shoot it soon. Your video about 350 is AWESOME!! Thanks. I'm still looking for .50-ish cent rounds to no avail
Are you going to paint it?
@@SocialRegressive
Yes, it is a mix of orange yellow purple and zombie green. It is mostly painted only a couple parts left
I'm a bit cautious about the idea of using the .358 bullets used in the likes of .35 Remington and .358 Winchester.
I would think those would be your best choice for deer, at least assuming that you can propel them at least as quickly as they are out of .35 Remington and .358 Wincester to give sufficient expansion for clean kills.
Looks like the new carbine load for military. Legend? Bad Legend? May be a good reloader chamber . Cast lead with black powder coat. Would still do about 1400 with 3x powder.
What barrel do you have?
The ballistics remind me of a .303... but straight walled, nice.
I wanted to find an AR cartridge that would be a little better out of a shorter barrel for range fun & home defense, and landed on 350 legend. I also have started hand loading and landed on a super cheap 125gr .357” FMJ over 18gr of h110 for a cheap range round. Haven’t worked on a hunting load yet, but I have some 140gr FTX bullets I’d like to use for that.
Great idea. I've had my eye on the FTX bullets, too.
@@SocialRegressive they’re designed for a .357 mag rifle so the velocity I get from a 10.5” AR in 350 legend should be low enough to have expansion (the box says muzzle velocity is recommended between 800 and 2000fps, I should be at 1900-2100 from my 10.5” at higher loads, so I figure middle of the road load and it’ll be good
LCR 357 with a handle that would hold couple moon clips, and this caliber rifle would be pretty good package for a hunter that likes to keep it simple and cheap.
I wish someone would make a boattail bullet for this, it could be able to squeeze a little bit more range with it.
I've tried the Hornady XTP boat-tails in my handloads, but they wouldn't feed. 😥 That would have been a heckuva load.
@@SocialRegressive Is it possible to retrofit a tip to them?
You have my attention. Semper Fi
I use 357 maximum for deer hunting like it a lot.
My 350 legend rifle set up looks surprisingly similar to yours LOL
I don't think it has enough velocity to provide reliable expansion with the heavier .358 rifle bullets. It is essentially a big pistol round moreso than a rifle round. Like how people used to have terrible results trying to load 30-06 appropriate bullets in the slow 30-30
@@chaist94 Biggest problem you have is that velocity in the 350 drops off fast after 180gr. I have a bolt gun and you can hop them up a little but the .358's start at 180's. Doesn't give you much to work with. I loaded some 225gr hardcast with gas checks with IMR 4227 and H110 at AR mag length and was lucky to get 1400fps before pressure signs started showing up. To small a case, looks to me the 158 Hornady XTP is the bullet of choice. They hold together really well, better than the FTX's and expand really nice at 2400+fps.
@@chaist94 They still blow through pert near everything with a clean hole and little to no deformation or expansion.
Nope.
My 45-70 with a 350gr bullet out of my Marlin 1895 Cowboy is hitting about 2400fps.
What's old is new again...the .350 Legend bears a great deal of similarity to the old .351 Winchester Self-Loading round chambered in the Model of 1907 rifle...a .35 caliber 180 grain bullet at about 2000 fps.
Solid copper 90gr .355 would be zippy make for a great defense round
I have some right here awaiting testing.
You can size .358 bullets down to .357 in a sizing die...Bushmaster ammo is 27$ a box for hornady black. Only advantage to the Legend is mag capacity and less recoil. Bushmaster is my choice for big Northern Whitetail deer.
That's a good deal on the Hornady Black. Good on them. I'll bet it hits like a freight train, too.
@@SocialRegressive It sure does..lol it knocks them sideways..LOL
Absolutely, love my 450. Never had a deer take more than 3 steps after being hit just behind the crease of the front leg.
I'm 14 my dad bought me a Henry 45-70 for shooting and hunting my friend has a Remington in .243 that he used until his grandpa bought him a .350. I told him I'd rather go for a cheap Winchester 1894 or something in .35 Remington but he said he'd rather a semi auto. If you got the money spend it I guess.
You forgot cast powder coated bullets. There is a lot of people doing 350 legend with cast bullets. I have a great 147 grain let bullet I use for plinking can reload for less than 25 cents using brass I already have.
A .358 rifle bullet can be swaged through a sizing die to .356-.357, but I have not tried this, and cannot confirm the performance.
Hornady sells the bullets now online all over the place.
Sweet!
Stuck in a zone where only shotguns and pistols are allowed.
Went with 300 blackout....best performer out of a 10.5" AR.
Wish my state didn't suck...
That blows, man. I've done some homework in Quickload and it looks like 350 Legend retains most of its velocity in short barrels. It must burn the pistol powder very quickly. I think it was a difference of roughly 150 fps between a 16" barrel and a 9.5".
@@SocialRegressive Nice!! Good to know. Didn't realize this guy was short barrel friendly...
See, I'm surprised that it uses the same buffer spring. I figured with the higher bullet weight and energy that Mr. Newton would require a higher counter-force.
According to CMMG it was all about tuning the gas port. Get the right size and distance (carbine) and you're in business. I can testify, too. So far it's running very smoothly. Even the brass is coming out pretty clean and undamaged.
55.000 psi chamber pressure is the SAME whether it is a 55gr or 200gr bullet, for a given bullet weight/diameter, the powder charge determines chamber pressure. That's why when reloading, when you go up in bullet weight, powder charge max goes down. So all the buffer/spring knows is what chamber pressure, bolt/carrier weight it has to counteract. Physics 101.