350 Legend vs 7.62x39: Not Even Close On Barriers?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of the 7.62x39 to the 350 Legend on 4 different targets. Each target is worth 25 points, for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 50 yards. Thanks for watching!
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*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home!
Would love to see a 6.5mm showdown between 6.5 swedish,6.5 creedmoor and 6.5 PRC that would get you lots of likes and subscribers 😮
6.5 Grendel?
6.5 Grendel vs 6.5 creedmor would be a great match up but the 6.5 prc would destroy the creedmor
How bout.26 nosler
Forgot 6.5 Carcano.
@@VroomNBoomgrendal has less powder to fit in AR Less speed to creedmoor and usealy 10 grams lighter bullet
I'm calling the judge out for bias! As stated, the results were virtually identical in all categories, EXCEPT: the 350 punches a bigger hole. Therefore, I declare the 350 legend the true winner!
Actually, if you really watch, the 350 did not do quite as well as the 7.62.
Wood block - 7.62 punched through with no problem.
350 had issues; one round ended up going through a spot already weakened by the 7.62 . The 350 retest was too close to the edge and deviated through the side thus not going through the whole block.
Concrete - the 7.62 made a shallow hole, where the 350 made a little dent.
They were close, but objectively, the 7.62 won. I don't really care for the 7.62, being a fan of the.308.
For barriers I'd prefer the 416 Rigby.
Yeah let me just get my 416 Rigby AR15 out from the safe, be right back 😉@@tasatort9778
@@tasatort9778What is a 416 Rigby? I only know of a 416 Honey badger.
@@annihilationfarmohyeah4808 Usually come in single or double barrel a Lion gun. With hard nose elephant to. I think Kentucky Ballistics has one he shot on his show.
@@tasatort9778 Ladies prefer girth.
I bought a 350 legend upper During the great pandemic ammo shortage, because even non straight wall state walmarts (like free tenessee) had it in quantity and cheap and they still do. I live at the center of 4 walmarts and I basically had my own personal ammo supply.
But, it isn't cheap in Ga. Anymore!
I did the same thing during the pandemic!
Yep, I’m in San Antonio and during Covid. The only thing you could find was 350 legend, and 30-06
It’s not cheap anymore. Especially for a decent hunting grain weight.
I did for the same reasons
Smart man. 😃👍
Take a drink every time he says “3/4 inch piece of plywood”
lol, wouldn’t take long to be feeling good
Or lumber
@@spoot8835 or good to go
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Take a drink everytime he allows you to actually see the velocities and you'll never get drunk!!
I was going to ask why such a cartridge even exists, but then I looked it up. Yup. It exists purely as a consequence of shitty laws. So in other words, in any world other than clown world, it really didn't need to exist. Not saying it _shouldn't_, but it just pisses me off that any fraction of the market is devoted to solving artificial problems.
manufactured problems is probably better than artificial problems, as it is a real problem if you get caught using necked cartridges where lawyers who never hunted in their lives say you shouldnt be
There are countries like Mexico or Italy that legally don't even allow .223/5.56 or .30/7.62/.308 types, so this round could fill gaps and needs there.
Yea idk what your talking bout more grains more velocity equals bigger holes and 350 legend works better out a 7” barrel then other intermediate cartridge on the planet
And not to mention reloads with 115 grain 9mm projectiles they go 4000 fps
@@andrewkitchen7554 You are correct. You don't know. A little bit of reading comprehension goes a long way towards preventing irrelevant word salads.
I'm a simple man. I see 350 legend, I click thumbnail.
Hey! Nothing wrong with that!! My son bought 1 of those “CVA”, bolt action rifles (I think it’s made but Bergara?), chambered in .350 Legend & it is an absolute Deer Stopper! He shot a couple deer w/it here on our farm. 1 was an “antlered buck”, the other was an “antler less-button buck”, and neither of them made it very far. The wound channel was insane on the antlered buck, to the point I felt bad for the small guy. The other was all internal damage & massive damage at that. At that moment I became a proponent of the .350 Legend. I put my calipers on it as low as I could on a loaded cartridge & it measured .355-or in other words a 9mm sized bullet. So, basically Winchester took a 9mm and made it into a TRUE “Magnum”! Not sure about this new Remington .360 Buckhammer. You had any experience with it? They claim 25%+ more energy? Anyway, loved what I saw from a “straight wall”, cartridge as we live in Missouri & anything with a primer or center fire is legal. I bought a Savage Mod 25, w/laminate wood stock, vented forearm, double studded for sling & by-pod w/semi heavy barrel & in a vice or sled doesn’t even move when you pull the trigger. Anyways, Missouri is very relaxed on what we can use as hunters so “straight wall’s”, are new for us here but we were very impressed with the results! Shoot straight!!!
It shoots a pistol bullet. It's a very poor performer
@@justinpennington7682 That's objectively not true, multiple manufacturers are making .355 rifle bullets now. Also referring to any cartridge as a "poor performer" without use context is generally foolish. 12 gauge is a poor performer at long range and 6.5 creedmoor is a poor performer if you need massive kinetic energy and .50 BMG is a poor performer if you need a light and handy rifle.
@@A_potato9772 it's the worst straightwall cartridge available.
@@justinpennington7682 Okay enjoy your opinion, meanwhile I will enjoy my handy carbine that suits my needs well. I'm sure you can recommend superior straight walls like 50-70 or 38-55 or maybe 38 special but I'm quite satisfied with what I have.
350 Legend does what it was intended to do very well. It's a good whitetail round that fits AR mags for states that require straightwall cartridges.
Where it really shines is in subsonic loadings. If you want something that does 300 Blackout things but better, 350 Legend is your man.
Does anyone make good 350 legend magazines? I only ever see 5 and 10 round in stores, and I've heard legends (hah!) of 20 rounders, but why no standard capacity? It seems like they're trying to make 350 Legend a decent all-round caliber and it definitely seems like it could be, but it always falls short on capacity.
@herbderbler1585 duramag, cmmg, both make 20 round mags and Wilson combat modifies lancers that hold 19-20 (at least on the ones I own) and they are always in stock at Wilson's. I buy my metal mags from the military exchange but they are everywhere online.
I'd like to see you do a subsonic comparison between 350L, 7.62x39 and 300BO. Obviously it won't be much penetration, so skip the final steel, but I'd still like to see it with the lesser mediums. Maybe add a phone book or catalog test in place of the steel as depth of pages is a good comparison too.
i dont think theres a single state that requires strait wall ammunition olny
@@charlesballiet7074 for some hunts there absolutely are. That was the purpose 350 Legend was created for.
Considering the 350 legend was designed to be a deer hunting round in states that only allow straight-wall cartridges, the 350 did well against an intermediate bottle-neck 'military' cartridge. I suspect the 350 legend would do better on soft targets than the 7.2 x 39.
Considering the reasons the Russians replaced 7.62x39mm at one point with 5.45x39mm (that being concerns over overpenetration), it doesn’t terribly shock me that .350 Legend outperforms 7.62x39mm in regards to damage done.
@@camarokidbb4347 TBF the first generations of intermediate cartridges are mostly shortened rifle cartridges for convenience they couldn't know enough to optimize such a new concept.
Why is ‘military’ in quotes?
@@Hornet135😢😢😢😢
@@camarokidbb4347 It had nothing to do with concerns about overpenetration. If anything even the old 7N6 will have more penetration. 5.45 is more accurate, gives the shooter more range, has less recoil, and allows the soldier to carry more ammo. It's a better round in almost every way.
Hard for me to venture away from mil-surp calibers, I did with 6.5 creedmoor & accidentally 6.5 grendel. I have plenty of x39, and I don't live in a state that has silly hunting ammo regulations.
I'd like to see you keep testing 7.62x39 against all the "new" rounds based on it being the parent case.
I like the sand box text, as basic as it is, it really is a litmus test for "penetration," (inexpensive too). You may wanna consider a dedicated sad test video with some popular calibers - for science
Penetration against a soft body target, sure, but it doesn’t at all relate to penetration against armor (since 5.56x45mm from a rifle didn’t make it through a 6” sandbox, but a .45 Colt from a Ruger did; no prizes for guessing which is better against armor).
It kinda makes me wonder though, if you can design a caliber to be just good enough against armor to penetrate a front plate, go through an enemy, then bounce off his back plate so that the round is more effective against armored tangoes than unarmored…
I don't have a 7.62x39 but I do really like my 18" 350legend upper
I love my 18" BCA upper in 350 legend.
You should try using 1/8 inch mild plate stacked to those same thicknesses. You'll get very different results at same thickness.
That would give interesting data. I have a lvl 3 set of plates that alternate layers of quite thin Ar500 steel, and fancy polyethylene. It's surprisingly light, and will stop more than the rated rounds.
That’s true, I’ll have to see what I can come up with
@@bananaballistics I'm new here, but changing the lineup takes away from the "standardized testing" I say keep it the same.
@@samohteel4393 Adding to the selection seems like a good option, as long as the materials are cost efficient.
@soggycracker5934 What is it called and where did you buy it? I bought 11x14 ceramic and it's heavier than I thought it would be. I wore Xtra large in the army and think it was 10x12, and didn't think the 11x14 would be so heavy.
Will we ever see if range plays a factor
It’s a possibility. If I ever get more range to play with
.44 magnum vs. 30-30 18" barrels
Iraq veteran did one where he tested various calibers in brush. .44 outperformed .3030 in brush. Which did surprise me at first.
@@brianc9374Heavier rounds do better with brush; that’s why the brush guns I’ve seen are all .45 caliber or similar.
Crazy that the 350 Legend is in the 9mm family 😂
Depends on if you're looking at the spec or not, it's technically both in the 9mm (.355) and .357 family >.> In the SAAMI spec, the bullet diameter is declared as 0.357" - 0.0030" because, in Ohio, the minimum bullet diameter for hunting deer is .357. From my understanding, the - 0.0030" essentially means that the bullet should have a diameter in the range of .354 and .357. It's kind of a tricksydoodle they did to get around Ohio law
Im pretty fond of 350 legend. Too bad they dont play nice with +20rd mags.
I agree, would be nice
All I have ever used for 350 Legend are the 20 round C Products Defense/Duramag magazines and they have always functioned flawlessly for me.
My cmmg 20 mags never failed with Adams arms piston.
I have the 20" barreled BCA side charger and I have x 7 20 round Magazines and I have never had a problem .I HAVE TAKEN SEVERAL HOGS AND THEY PERFORMED WITHOUT A PROBLEM
I feel like is is more of an issue with the duramag design.
Certain 20rd mags work great, others I have issues with the bottom couple rounds.
I really would like to see mag-pul build some 20rd and 30rd mags to try out with 350leg.
The .350 Legend was the real winner. Penetration was virtually identical but it was making wider holes.
The .350 was the winner; it had the penetration-test!
Also, it's projectile was a blunt nose, while the 7.62x39 was a spire tip; not a fair comparison!
Gotta say shooting threw the lumber the 350 blew out the back
Very close matchup, im quite impressed 350 penetrated that well. Keep in mind the 350 is putting more energy into target, so while 7.62x39 pulls ahead in penetration just a little, 350 makes up for it with more devastation. You can see some difference in the way the concrete explodes between the two.
It’s amazing what a 0.04” caliber width difference can do.
(I know 7.62mm translates to 0.3”, Russian 7.62mm rounds are 0.311” in diameter however.)
@camarokidbb4347 indeed so. Just that little bit of size increases gives some more surface area and weight to put some greater energy into the target on impact. That's why I love checking out ballistics gel vids too. Look up how the matchup is between 45-70 and 500 SW mag out of lever guns. Bighorn Armory is the only company I'm aware of making 500SWM lever rifles. They ain't cheap but damn nice.
That and the case size
@camarokidbb4347 some nagants go up to .314
7.62 X 39mm uses a pointed FMJ bullet. Better sectional density.
Similar energies... probably why the 7.62 worked so well.
But for hunting, I'd probably lean towards the Legend....
There's a revolver chambered in .350 legend. I'd like to see it compared against a pistol AK in 7.62x39. Both rounds supposedly to work well in short barrels.
Even out of a 16” barrel you’re usually only getting roughly 92% propellant burn out of an ak. Out of a short barrel it would be even worse. Depends what you consider “good”.
Стрелял из укороченного ствола АК ~20см(7,5 in).
Огромная вспышка и громкий звук, по ощущениям, работало не более 50% пороха. С уважением.
before S&W came out with the 7.5" 350 Legend revolver, I was using a 7.5" barrel on my 350 Legend for pistol hunting in Missouri.... the velocity and energy works quiet well, especially at the yardage we usually see. Its a joy to hunt with...
Rifle cartridges from pistol-length barrels (and by that I mean 6” or less) is redundant imho. While the often smaller caliber can make for better penetration compared to typical pistol calibers, the lesser velocity (to the point where temporary wound cavities no longer matter) makes penetration through armor more of a moot point, and the effect on an unarmored target would be more comparable to a .44 Magnum at absolute most, maybe even closer to 10mm Auto or .357 Magnum.
350 will travel about 2000 ft per second out of a 10.5 inch barrel It's a phenomenal round for a pdw
I've been watching from the beginning but I swear if you don't start allowing us to even see the velocities when you do it I'll quit watching and unsubscribe. Have you ever even watched what you put up. No one can see that fast. I don't even understand why you just blow right through what a lot of people want to see. Jeez dude slow down!!
I think an edge shot as was done with the 350 Legend should not be counted in the 6x6 block. You could see how the grain in the wood let go and that can't be duplicated further inside the block.
Yeah let's test fmj against a cartridge meant to expand. Yeah fair test. Wtf
Try the .350 Legend with a 20" Barrel for more velocity those 16" barrels waste the velocities in a muzzle flash.
Not much difference between 16 and 20”
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Are both FMJ? I'm guessing the 350 legend is not.
Yes, 145 gr fmj in 350 legend
@@bananaballistics Thank you sir. I didn't catch it during the video. It was stated most likely in a moment I was distracted. Good info in this comparison too. With supplies from outside the US being cut off, so to speak, an alternative with similar performance is smart thinking. Appreciate all your content young man.👍🏼
I think you should have tried a 170-180 gr FMJ as well as 145 gr. The 7.62x39mm will tumble more easily so shooting through something like a car door or window probably favors the non-spitzer design of the 350 legend.
I’m pretty that’s closer to one and half inches thick just saying! Love the videos.
I don't think you're pretty at all. 😐
Not that pretty
@@JacobTheGunNut idk man I’m kind of pretty
We have to find something that can beat the box of sand. 🤣
I agree lol
I'm curious if something like 6.5 creedmoor would. Slender small diameter fast bullet. Or a 300 blackout subsonic 220 grain. Maybe 8.6 blackout.
Not a purely fair test. 7.62 used was full-metal jacket, designed to penetrare and leave a clesn wound channel. .350 Legend was soft point, designed to expand and do maximum damage.
30-30 vs 350 legend vs 450 bushmaster vs 400 legend
Where 350 shines is load variations. Ive seen 280gr at 1000fps all the way down to 90gr at about 3000fps. Straight walls + ar15 cartridge + big bore + 30rds double stacked = me likie
7.62 favored twice with draws...😂
Could you do a 300 Blackout vs 300 HAM'R???
Another solid video. Very impressive how close it was. Honestly, more of a 350 Legend fan than 7.62x39. Couldn't have been a more fair match up.
350l subsonic vs 9x39 subsonic
Just to add about the 350 Legend in comparison to the 30/30. The 30/30 is generally shot out of a 20" barrel and the 350 out of a 16" barrel. I built a 350 with an 18" Barrel and even giving up those extra two inches the 30/30 has nothing on the 350. Ron Spomer did a great comparison on the two cartridges. On the need for the straight walled cartridges in certain states; the problem was hunters not paying attention to what was behind the deer they were aiming at and using long range calibers like 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, or 30/06 that penetrated cars, houses, and sometimes people. I don't like the law but completely understand it's need and intent. The states that adopted the law are all highly populated and long range hunting, by comparison, is under 300 yards or not long range. I live in one of those states and it's very legal to build an AR platform in 350 Legend or 450 Bushmaster. Lastly, the 350 legend is easy to find and generally cheaper than the 30/30 when comparing similar cartridge weights and bullet types. The rifles are far cheaper too, especially if you build your own.
I think thr 350 legend would've done much better with the heavier bullets it can use, 170-180gr class. Everything I've seen with those bullets have deep penetrating. Love the content though
It’s very possible. I was just trying to stick with the fmj theme on these tests.
@@bananaballistics I see well its still good to see. Also I have taken away something from your videos. Copper bullets are absolutely amazing at penetrating soft targets but horrible at hard targets that's for sure. Thanks
@@bananaballistics Is it mass or speed that defeats the barrier test? Browning ammunition has a 350 legend that is 124 gr fmj at an advertised 2500fps. Let me know if you can't find any, I'll send you a box.
Have you seen those lighter weight 350leg rounds with velocities over 3000fps?
I would be curious to see what that would do.
All the heavier 350leg rounds are either soft point or hollow point, not the best for penetration.
@@nicks2581 Not really most the deep penetrating rounds I've seen have been the heavier rounds. I think my favorite are the barnes tsx rounds. Total flowers of death
Could you try to stack this up to the 224 valk and the 6 arc?
at close range pretty much a draw, but at distance 300+ yards that 300 legend falls out of the sky. lol.
Kind of think your personal bias decided that round lol
Car window deviation would be neat to see if you could come up with a new sled. Have angled safety glass then a couple feet off set the board to see how bullet preform through glass
That box of sand is the volume standard the military would use to stop many types of rounds. Lol. Not many small ar.s would make it through...
It would be interesting to see how the 7.62 performs with a longer SKS barrel and if the jacket was copper vs bi-metal.
Steel jackets typically exhibit less deformation at the 7.62 velocity.
barrel length does not mean much for either round so long barrel wont do crap
I need to see 300 blackout vs 300 ham'r vs 30-30
Think results might change if 350 FMJ didn’t have the flat nose on them?
both are thumping rounds...both will drop deer. wouldn't have spent money on a 350 legend if my state didn't mandate straight walled cartridges for hunting. some b!+ch about steel case ammo. all you need is 1 round to drop a deer. its not sniping...its hunting.😂
you are the goat🐐
I'd like to see the .360 buckhamner vs the .350 legend., with similar weight rounds.
Wait....are you shooting lumber? Not sure. I don't think you said lumber enough
the testing confirms what I already suspected 350 legend creates a bigger hole dumps a lot more energy but doesn't penetrate quite as deeply
350 Legend is a marketing round like .300 BO. It doesn't do anything other cartridges already available do. Why would anyone choose it with 450 BM available?
300 blackout against the og...the 300 whisper. See what difference in ballistics we have. The whisper was nade from a necked up 221. 300 blkout supposedly comes from a 223 necked up but not so sure. The neck is a tad longer like the 556 compared to 223. Maybe it is a necked up 222 or 223. I know the 300 whisper is a 221 and they were having oatent fights so the blackout might be a 223 case. Im now betting it is since its neck is longer than the whisper like the 223 neck is slightly longer than the 221. So rhe 300 whisper was a 221 necked up while the blackout is a 223 necked up. Patent defeated. Take that whisper. Im joking. The whisper led the way to the invention of the blackout
Silly comparison.
AK round nearly 1000 fps but more than 1/2 the weight.
Two different intended function. 😢😢😅
Wow right up there with a 30/30........ But they do sell guns and you can hunt whit tails with a straight wall in Ohio
This isn’t scientific, but it's fun to see the results.
The Legend is plowing a wider wound channel and inflicting more soft tissue damage. Just saying, Brother. MAGA
It definitely seems to be a better hunting cartridge
@@bananaballistics Projectile selection makes all the difference in both rounds. Ultimately, intended purpose. MAGA
I think using a .308-.30 caliber round versus a .35 caliber. (9mm), is such a jump in size & +ing mass, energy on target will bring the .350 Legend to the top? Just guessing.
Im a 7.62x39 guy but like the 350 legend much better then .300 blk and a better comparison
From my experience, the 7.62x whatever all do the same thing on watermelon (leave it looking like a football helmet) whereas 350 legend flat obliterated it😅
You're comparing an apple to a banana 🙈! 350 legends is designed to expand the projectile 🤷🏻♂️
I have to disagree with the judge on this one. All things appeared to be a draw except the 350 legend made larger holes, and 200ftlbs more energy. Therefore I will have to give the win to the 350
As someone whos built a few decks, placed fences, and tensioned cables on pressure treated lumber, its actually quite the shitty material
Sticking with what they knew 90 years ago. There is a reason the AK and AR are the predominant rifles in the world. Oh, and, FJB.
Your 'cement' block isnt 'concrete'.
That and the cracks /wood checks split out, compromises the wood density.
Therefore your test could be compromised as well as the credibility of this test
Who cares.
The 350 Legend is for hunting in states where a straight wall cartridge is required.
It is not for the John Wick fantasy crowd
Your wood blocks are too inconsistent, truth be told they are a piss poor excuse for test medium simply because the cracks and moisture content can dramatically weaken the wood....
I do enjoy the videos tho....
Waaaay too much fluff for me here, dude. Waaay to much.
Get to the freakin' point, and LOTS faster?
Anyone remember when steel case 7.62 was like 19 cents in bulk and 22 cents for wolf hollow points?
Awesome channel 👍
350 legend was only made for gay ass counties where you have to hunt with a straight wall cartridge. Modern bullets are just remakes of old bullets. 👎
You were using garbage target ammo for the 350 legend that has a flat nose. Trying some different ammo and I guarantee the 350 legend will win.
Maybe a 4” thick box of sand would differentiate some cartridges.
I’m going to try a 6” after the next several videos. We will see
Im just shocked the 350 legend actually functioned
6.5 Grendel Vs All of them
We will have to see
Im a 6.5 grendel super fan....wish more people jumped on the bandwagon😮
That 350 Legend surprised me going through the 1/4 steel.
The 350 were hollow points. Vs FMJ could effect the results.
no those were winchester 145gr fmj in the 350L
Call me a troll but I've watched enough of your vids to know you need to work on your marksmanship my friend 🤥🙄😮😞
Considering that he used HP rounds against FMJ rounds on steel plate penetration tests in many of his previous comparisons, demonstrates that he doesn't understand bullets at all.
Thumbs down for ads that interrupt my entertainment and learning experience and for the ad that played before the video
Try using new wood when comparing calibers you compromised the wood and no bullet is going through sand why do you think they use sand bags on bunkers you made this video sounding like an amateur but thanx for the video
Should of used 180gr on the 350 looks like he was using the 145gr
350 legend is low recoil and makes big holes. Hot dog down a hallway big.
Starting to think, the rounds are hitting other rounds and are stopping, the other bullets in the sand!
I'm pretty sure a 30-06 180 gn wouldn't go thru that box of sand
Would you please leave the pages with the stat info up for longer than a tenth of a second? It’s annoying af to have to keep watching the part over and over trying to see what it says.
Have you done .30-06 v 35 Whelen? Hooooo boy. Hope you like recoil.
7.62×54r test❤
Sandbags are used for bunkers.....designed to stop bullets
Dude, I was seeing end grain shots with side grain retrievals.
IMHO 350 Legend does a lot of things better than 300 BLK where its supposed to excel at. You must keep in mind 300 blk was basically a kitbash project by SOCOM where they took a 5.56 case and necked it up to .308 which they had a bunch of heavy bullets for and just so happened to work well in the super/sub role.
350 Legend wqs purpose designed to work out maximal performance for the caliber within the constraints of a AR-15 magwell and it shows. The ballistics of the 350 legend is practically identical to 300 blk with the same weight bullets but once you start creeping into the 170 grain territory and above the 350 starts to pull miles ahead in muzzle energy and velocity notwithstanding subsonic loadings, though 350 legend can load up to 270 grains which is actually approaching 9x39mm territory. So if you want an American AS Val, the 350 is a good place to start. You can also use 400 legend if you want to double down at the cost of some magazine capacity (30 round becomes something like 26)
.300 Blackout is just AAC and Remington capitalizing on the success J.D. Jones' already made with the .300 Whisper wildcat.
Why pressure treated? And do you know what a struggle bus is?
What’s more accurate, that’s the judge . If legend can do moa it wins
A little marksmanship practice would help some.
I'll bet that box-o-sand is really a box-o-bullets by now 😂
Another good video. ❤ That was a close match.
What kind of things could a person do to plywood to increase its defense capabilities? I'm wondering what that black spray gorilla glue stuff would do to plywood. Would it keep concrete fragments from turning into a local hand grenade?
Just an idea that's cheap Double B. Keep 'em coming. 🎈🥳🎈
Put some layers of fiberglass on the plywood and it will help it to resist the bullets.
@@actionjksn - Yeah but I'd like to see it in a video. With and without.
How many layers will it penetrate without and with?
I think it is time to retire the box of sand test. It is stopping all rifle and handgun rounds.
alot of the surplus ammo for 7.62 is steel core does that make a difference on steel /sand etc? keep them videos coming!
Steel core? Lol
People the 350 legend is basically a 35 rem in an AR form. The 450 bushmaster is basically a 45-70 in AR form ....
They were invented to make a hunting rifle out of an AR.....and yes 35 legend is in a group in which 9mm , 357 , 38 and 35 caliber bullet will work. 40 years ago lots of people tryed to load 357 bullets in the 35 rem. Be cause the small cartridge wouldn't push the big two hundred gr bullet fast enough to kill like they wanted ..lots of deer running off ..
45-70 use .458" bullets the 450 BM uses .451" bullets 45-70 cases are fatter and longer. also the 450BM uses 250gr generally while standard 45-70 uses 405gr and up. I love the 450BM in my 10.5" AR still gets 2000fps out of a 10.5" with 250gr hornady. A very handy swamp Buck hammer.
6.8 spc vs 7.62x39
Has anything ever went through the sandbox??
Your problem is them Winchester white box