The Biggest Problem with the Tube Screamer. Dipped In Tone Episode 9
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On Episode 9 of the Dipped in Tone podcast Rhett and Zach discuss IN PERSON interesting fret wire, the good and bad with the classic Ibanez Tube Screamer, Zach breaks down some of what the circuit is doing, and more!
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You have a time/space continuum problem with the Princeton II on the Carlton solo as it was recorded long before Rivera was at Fender. BUT it was a Princeton modded by Rivera as all the hip studio guys had at the time. So...sort of right in any case. As neither of you was alive at the time (either time really) we’ll let you go.
Great show guys. Zach nerding out on pedals is my kind of nonsense.
“Royal Scam” 1976, Princeton Reverb II 1982. Yeah, I had to look it up.
🤣🤣🤣
Gotta keep em in check
I thought it was a tweed Deluxe. Becker and Fagan weren’t down with the Boogie
Dipped in person
26:41 "Here's my clean tone". This should be the intro song for the podcast lol
@@boscoserranovelasco3302 Yeah.....get andy to do that!!! Here is the bypassed tone!!
Band name - MythiShull
I like the direction Shull is going with his ideas and outlook on videos. His explorative content and mindset is refreshing.
TS are great for stacking after with a more full spectrum OD. Cleans up the bottom and keeps the mid hump around 750-800 hz.
It's pretty much a Fender low wattage amp accessory. Cleans up the flub, and boosts the mids.
Rhett’s southern drawl is seriously so good. I think that should be your alter ego. Sounds like a Frhett Shull to me 😜
Rhett you “distant second cousin” bit killed me. Gotta bring that character back.
Same here ! They should do characters like that or something similar, I think it would be really funny and people would look forward to it
I know this is an older "Dipped in" but it's a hoot! You guys are great together and I've enjoyed all the episodes I've seen. It's fun to see you laughing and enjoying yourself, Rhett. On your own channel you are often very serious and intense and this channel is much lighter and almost whimsical. Keep it up; I'm subscribing.
Enjoy hearing your take on a TS. Got my 1st one in '82 and it was my first and only overdrive from then on. Sometime in the 2000s it disappeared, but I'd retired from playing in bands (after 40 years) and started teaching guitar at a magnet high school for the performing arts. The classroom had small Fender SS amps with gain and built in effects, so didn't need one. Taught there for 12 years and in the middle of that time started playing out 2 or 3 nights a week with a Funk, then a Blues band and a fellow teacher knew a guy getting rid of all his gear. He picked up a Strat and rig cheap and sold me a TS808 for $35 ! Don't know how old it is but it works great! I use it with my 56 RI Strat into a Blonde Princeton RI along with a Boss digital delay and sometimes a Univibe. It's funny...I have guys come up to the stage and tell me I'm getting great tones, then they look down at the floor and see the Tubescreamer and get a puzzled look on their faces. Haha! I guess it's all in how you set it.
You are wanting an Earthquaker Devices “Plumes” pedal. Switchable clipping.
Wow. I just said that. That pedal is awesome.
2024, no covid anymore, Blues and Rock is mainstream in the world, Mythos pedals is the biggest pedal company...
The Podcast Dont have intro yet and the Band still has no name
We should live so long.
For me the TS really shines on a brighter tone. If I'm playing a cleanish tone with the bright switch on and my Tele, TS just kills when I turn it on. I do use an analog man silver mod too with doesn't hurt either. The pedal has been with me 18 years, and I'm never going to sell it. Still brings joy. :)
I laugh so much in different sections of this episode! you guys rock!
The issue with TS's is using them with mid forward amps and just plain over doing it. I see it more as a mid boost switch/coloring tool. Especially in an amp like a Deluxe Reverb that doesn't have a mid control. It makes the "Tubes Scream" when you Push the amp a bit and leave the level and gain at 3 or below on the TS. Also people turn the tone knob way too high. 10 o clock is a good sweet spot. I actually rehoused my TS and painted it lol no one will ever know its a TS!
Yes. I use a TubeScreamer into a very dirty Marshall for when I need that extra oomph. Not as my main dirt tone. It doesn’t do that with clean Fender amps. But with the gain and tone turned down a bit it gets a nice mild OD into a clean amp.
I feel like the tubescreamer thing shines in a live setting and in the mix? vs just playing one by yourself
the cantina bands name is: Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes, and they play a musical genre called "Jizz"
Great episode. The Shadowbox idea is gold - and it brings a whole new meaning to "he's got the box" [with props to Josh]. Also wanna see how you mod the TS.
Dipped in Tone: where no theme song is our loss leader!
II have the same problem as Rhett! The best TS-Style pedal I realy like is the EQD Plumes cause of the increased headroom. Most TS loveres would say this isn't a real TS! The next best Pedal to a "real" TS is my Analogman modded Maxon SD9 with the silver mod. With the drive all down and the volume all the way up and the tone at 2 O'Clock I can use it realy for great leads or imitating horn parts. Always into a breaking up plexi-style amp with a strat! Thanks for the discussion!
Just discovered this channel lads, great stuff.
The TS is a Tool if you use it right you just might like it, like the one guy said stack it with a trebley type pedal, like a germanium style treble booster, that perfect blend of mids in the TS Tames the ice pickiness of the booster into cream dream heaven. That's the only mod you'll need.
Spoiler alert... No theme song.
Awesome channel! The humor is so perfect! You guys!!!!!!
Thanks so much!!
Part of the reason why a lot of people don't like ts pedals is they don't realize the tone knob is in its nuetral position all of the way down, not "noonish"
Yay, the pedal wall, room wide, celing high!!!
With extra stereo fx...
Grtz!
So I love high headroom as well, my overdrive of choice is also green, but it's an MXR Shin Juku. For some reason I never hear anyone talking about them but I love it.
The Tyler Texas band Eisley was named after the Mos Eisley cantina from Star Wars. And I'm 90% certain they were originally called MossEisley.
Yes, please do a show on pedals circuit-bent by Rhett!
41:38 Are you using it (wrong 😋) through a clean amp? The 250 is great for tightening up the flabby bottom end of an overdriven Marshall SLP or Tweed amp.
Exactly!
I love the screamer but I use it mostly for a boost. Gain at 9 and volume at 3ish or higher into an ocd. Or a Wampler Clarksdale.
Loved the show!! Especially picturing the TransAm with “T”tops! Lol I can so relate to the relative asking if you play Skynard!! Lmao Band name-Slow Runner???
I am from Charleston! Very cool you were around the Lowcountry for awhile. You should come down and play The Pour House!
Yeah, right before "I hate it" statement I was thinking as a recorder/mixer "well THAT will sit better with the rest of the band".
I laugh more and more with every “😏...here’s my clean tone”
My first car was a 1969 Cutlass convertible my Dad handed down!
Rhett try the antique overdrive from cornerstone, that's EXACTLY the tube screamer you described
I own one of those amps (tsa15h) and think it’s great, amplifies my guitar and came with a tube screamer built in, and has an effects look for a reverb or different pedals, like Rhett said what ever blows your skirt up
Something about that Wide Sky or the way Rhett attacks it(?) always makes it sound like there’s a subtle vibrato pedal turned on.
I don’t particularly like the TS sound either, but I have the Mini version on my board before my overdrives and fuzz, but with the Overdrive right down and the Level on full. That way it nicely fattens up the lead sound. Obviously I’m not alone using it like that!
It's ART you can PLAY!
Real talk though I think that kind of thing could be cool in like a museum setting or something where it's available to a broader group than just like having it on your bedroom wall
Best episode yet!! 🤘🏻
No problem with the Tube Screamer !
28:23 Deadset one of the funniest episodes, you guys are great together. Awesome work fellas!
Favourite bit - Nailey It! Strumbelled through it..... Haha...It does that thing....🧐 Dare I say dumbbelly...🤮🤮🤮🤮 Nooooo! Hahahaha tooo funny!!! 😂😂
Best episode question though.... So with the chip... What is it doing in a tube screamer?
I love my Analogman modded TS Always come back to it A Diaz Ranger and the TS is good for me But it's a first run TS9 Don't know if that makes any difference My first pedal was an early 70s MXR Dist +
The 9 sucks, ts808 is the ticket and if it doesn't sound good it's not the pedal, it's the player. It sounds killer when I play it with my strat. Sounded good for SRV. Sounds good for anyone that knows how to use it.
Still trying to find the best drive for a Victoria 5112 at lower bedroom levels. Great amp to just crank. But not at 2am.
Where can I see the follow-up with comparison of the modded and unmodded tube screamers?
What settings is he using on the first time he plays the tube screamer?
Hudson Sidecar; they made the pedal of the decade with the Broadcast, then followed it up with the best TS ,ever.
I think Carlton played a Tweed Princeton or Deluxe on Kid Charlemagne; if I'm not mistaken, he references this in his rig rundown.
Enjoying the Chemistry and vibe with both of you in the same room
I personally only like a tube screamer stacked in front of another clean or “transparent” overdrive e.
Figrin D’an and the Modal Nodes
Here's a modest selection of my Star Wars based band names that I've collected over the years (free for the taking!).
Two Suns Rising
Alderaan and The Criers
The Side Blasters
Hokey Mystical Forces
Echo Basers
2-1B Flats
Tosche Station House Band
Biggs and the Darklighters
The Jawa Jammers
Yavin 4 Piece Players
The Antillinators
Zuckuss Ruckus
All fantastic!
American Dan and Mick! Isn't this how they started?
Rhett and Zach are unmatched 😎
Carolina Hipster Screamer Pedal......... I want my cut bro!
My old band name was "Taken" because all the good names were taken.
Zackkkkk which tone potentiometer plzzzzs to make it sound like klon:) I have ts808 reissue will it work the same way
www.premierguitar.com/articles/13562-diy-mods-to-perfect-your-ibanez-ts9-and-boss-sd-1-do-it-yourself-pedal-project
@@DippedInTone thanks so much zack
I want a microtonal guitar so I can try alternate tunings on custom string and complain.
You need to use parallel coils more often. Hot pickups with a higher resonance and in Parallel. Then you can back off the treble a little and still have all the good stuff.
So... Like series parallel all your stuff. P Bass into a fuzz.. Parallel. Wakes it up..
The LED MOD IS ALWAYS GOOD.
I like using a fuzz face and volume turned down for everything.
42:50 just a single cap and we'll make a divider network from there. Just don't touch it
Power switch pot. I've got some 10k that enables a fuzz I built and another that actually turn on the tone shaping stack.
Grow the fro, Rhett!
Did anyone notice that they don't have a intro song, that's weird isn't it?
So weird! We're working on it.
@@DippedInTone yeah, I trust you guys 👍🏽
I like the TS but I wish it had less mid push and bass cut. I want those things but it’s pretty extreme.
That’s a blues breaker pedal.
What do you think of the tumnus pedal?
More of a fan of the Mjolnir
There is no “problem” with a TS pedal if you have the amp it was designed to be used with. A Fender twin or Deluxe.
Which guitar is that?
How about asking a few friends/tubers to suggest band names. Greg Kock would have some cracking suggestions. Mick & Dan, Pete Thorn ...etc. "ladies & gentlemen .. here are the Clean Tones!". The Stomp Boxers ... I know, sounded better in my head.
Band name Rhett Shull & The Fury
I bought a Screamer when they came out, (roughly) and I had for a long time before I sold it for $10.00. And then along came that guy... and wait a minute, what.. :0)
The Cantina band were called the Jizz Wailers.
35:37 More hipster guitar player impressions please. Thanks.
There are microtonal guitars with weird 'broken' frets that a guy made for playing Turkish music. Look up Microtonal Guitar - Tolgahan Çoğulu.
Rhett prefers ac 30 style amps it's no surprise he doesn't get the TS thing. But... A strat, a TS and a Super reverb rocks!!! Cliché? Yess by al means. Just like cheese burger and fries 😂😂
Have you played an 808?
Zach here, I've played most if not all Ibanez permutations over the years. I love em!
i really want the band to be named: Rhett Shull and the leftovers
I don’t like it..... giggles! 🤣
-Rhett Shull
Petition for Dipped in Tone to never get a intro song and just keep making excuses each week 😅
There you go. You can solicit excuse ideas from fans...
Hashtag “Did Clapton need that?”
Which model Victoria amp?
Silver Sonic
@@DippedInTone thanks
Where is the RUclips video that was being made during this
Never got to it. I (Zach) didn't have time to film the mod process. I can do this now that I'll have a new shop which would be easier to film in
@@DippedInTone cool, good to hear you finally got the keys to the place
Tubescreamers used to sound good because that's about all there was. Now, it's unlimited. Instead of the Tube Screamer, get the Earthquaker Plumes. Same prioce, and 3 times the pedal.
Absolutely NOT the pedal for a rhythm tone as Rhett was playing, but with the gain up and some humbuckers it makes for a rather tasty lead tone in the right hands (ie. Steely Dan, Carlton, Ford, etc.)
Hey, I had a Tube Screamer amp...it actually sounded really good...as long as you didn't use the Tube Screamer part...
I used to be backsofguitars ! me and guitar_backs talked, and I changed to @tonenerds on Instagram. I'm documenting all the gear that I can!
No beef between you and I, love your account!
Is that a Line 6 southern accent modeler?
...is the compression
What ARE those mics??? (Waaaaant)
I'm really surprised you like the line6 stomp and cab. I find it unusable
He likes the Amp section, not the pedal effect section so much.
I think you have to REALLY tweak it and changing the input impedance makes it much more alive and responsive sounding.
Name the band "the masked floydians"
This cured me of any desire to watch another video on the Tube Screamer. If you don't like a TS then choose from 10,000 other pedals.
Dipped in coffee stains lol
im only here to not hear a theme song.
Yes.
Put the cocktails down, boys. Or not.
Those La Croix going straight to our heads
I don't know what it is but that ts sounds like shiot. I think it's a lack of enthusiasm with the player.
Do your beards tickle?
Only when they touch
I feel like the tube screamer is that. You either like it or you don't. Rhett doesn't so you two should call a spade a spade. The moment you open the stomp box and force a square into a triangle is the moment you don't like the TS. Sure it will look like a green TS box, but if under the hood it's a modified blues breaker then you don't have a TS. Move on and agree to disagree.
Definitely don't plan on making the TS into a BB but it's a fun challenge to shift a circuit to suite a player.
I have four of these in different versions - and they all suck. Terrible sounding pedals. If it wasn’t for Stevie, no one would be using these. Just so many better overdrive pedals out there.
Hard to watch. Get to the point, fellas.
Oh btw we finally agree on a piece of gear. Tubescreamers suck 😆
Wow, never heard so much blah blah blah, people who like modellers talking down about an actual tube screamer.
How were we talking down? I (Zach) love Tube Screamers but they aren't without their faults, no pedal is perfect.