Let's Talk About Amps, Baby! Dipped In Tone Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
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In this episode of the Dipped in Tone podcast Rhett Shull and Zach Broyles talk about Adam Savage, Ghostbuster Lights, Dipped a Rig, and have a spirited amp discussion about wattage and boxiness.
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Amps are fascinating - I often find them even more interesting to learn about than guitars and effects... loved the episode and would love to hear even more amp talk in the future
Yes new episode, thanks guys!!! Any idea why this doesn’t show up on any podcast platform yet?
Bump. 😂
Honestly it would be great if you guys did another episode on picking an amp for around 1500 to continue the discussion. It was really informative.
Can y'all please upload the audio to your podcasting base? I listen to these in the car, but this one still hasn't shown up in my podcast app.
Got it! sorry
Could you please also upload this episode to the podcast app? (:
I just bought a twin reverb tone master in blonde with the creambacks and I absolutely love it. It's unbelievably light and takes pedal well and it has alot of headroom. Great for cleans and overdrives. Not so much a heavy gain platform but with the creambacks it's slightly better.
The Tonemaster Twin is a GREAT amp, its my go to amp in music stores.
Just. Curious… are you planning to upload this to the podcast app? I’d love to listen to this without using my data on RUclips.
More of this, thank you. I can talk amps all day.
I come to be entertained by americans snooting over minute guitar things, and I never leave disappointed. Expensive computer chip guitar pick!👏👏👏
I want to hear you guys talk more about amps, especially weighing the pros/cons of a vintage amp vs. modern boutique/handwired options. Would you rather own a vintage 66 deluxe or a new handwired 64 custom deluxe? Prices of course would not be the same, but I could see a strong argument for longevity and reliability with the new handwired amp vs. potential maintenance issues with an older amp.
I visited local builder. He has couple vintage late 60/early 70ties amps (plexis, the Sabbath Laneys etc). He let me shoot his creations against the OG. There was no audible difference, that will make me blow money on vintage gear.
So not to blow smoke up Rhett’s you know what, but I admire his knowledge of everything guitar and music. I’m also impressed with his guitar playing and his quick whit.
I need to understand how the Ox and Captor X work. I assume if you can run an SLO-100 with one of them at home, it has to be through a DAW and studio monitors. That is where things can start getting expensive if you don't have a Mac, good interface, etc. If you buy an SLO-100 (or a 100 watt amp with no Master volume). Would love to do it though.
Good discussions. Speakers and cabs make a huge difference. I used to sometimes run a Pro Jr into a large 3x10 cab and it was basically a totally different amp compared to using it as the small 1x10 combo. I eventually rehoused it into a 1x15 cab and it's a blast to crank it up and let it eat.
Live, I used to play my Blues Jr through an Ibanez 4x10 cab and it immediately opened up the sound! Initially bought it cheap for the look on stage, but became essential to my live sound.
Good idea on your mod. How did you rehouse it? Ie. Did you use an existing enclosure, hit up home depot, or have a tech do it?
@@jeffrey.a.hanson I did a gig with a guy who had bought a 1x15 combo cab for his Pro Jr and he didn't have any money to pay me for the gig. So he gave me the combo cab as payment. I don't know where he got it from.
The audio podcast did not download through my podcast app. Not sure if it's a setting on your end, all my other podcasts work fine. Cheers.
How is there only 8K suscribers.. Fuckin' love this show, every minute. Carry on gents!
I normally listen to this on the podcast app but it isn’t up yet. That may be where a lot of the subscribers are
Alex Melton is the guy with the covers « If Blink 182 wrote… »
Where’s the Spotify upload?
I have the original Two Notes Captor 8 and it does everything I need. I only use it for home recording and don't need it for live. They are like $270. Crazy good deal! I like that I can use it with any cab IR I want. I often use it with just the cab section of my Neural DSP amp sim because I like the way it sounds and the interface. Also, heads and cabs are the way to go for the reasons you said (cost, mixing and matching) but I also find they are generally much easier to load and unload.
I got my 2004 Dr. Z Maz 38 Sr. Reverb head for $300 at my friend's pawn shop. It was "blowing fuses. No idea what's wrong with it." One $30 rectifier tube and two fresh fuses later and I have my first tube amp.
I always prefer using amp heads over combos. I've got 3 heads going into 2x12's, and 1 head going into two 1x12's. The only combo I have is a Fender Pro Jr for a grab and go amp, but it sounds great boosted and gives a great classic rock tone!
I recently made the switch from using combos to almost exclusively using heads and cabs now and I have to say I much prefer the sound from the latter. Combos are great for easy grab and go gigs and setup/breakdown but sound more boxy to me. The tube rattle in my Fender Supersonic combo was also a deciding factor in making the switch as the tubes are just too close in proximity to the speaker to not be affected.
Any larger tube combo I owned in the past always developed tube rattle. Never had an issue with a head.
I was thinking,a cool idea for an episode would be to prepare a list of twoorthree amps for three different price points (1000$, 2000$ and limitless) and compare the takes from Rhett and Zack. Also, I would asume that you have a cab, and rule that out of the price!
The main problem with tube combo amplifiers is that they have an open back.
The back is left open so that the heat from the tubes can escape.
Obviously the sound signal from the back of the speaker is 180 degrees out of phase with the sound from the front. Bass frequencies are omni directional and what happens is that the out of phase low frequencies leak out the back, come round to the front and cancel out the low end.
I used to have a Marshall 50 combo with a pair of Greenbacks in it, I also used to have a pair of the same Greenbacks in a sealed 2x12 cab so that allowed me to run the Marshall through the internal speakers or the cab and compare since all other factors were the same, the only difference being whether or not the cab was sealed.
So what happens is you hear the lack of bottom in your tone and turn up the Bass region. However, the REAL bass frequencies are racing around to the front out of phase and cancelling out the deep bass component, so what you have achieved in turning up the Bass control is to lift the higher bass/low mid frequencies which is the region that makes guitars sound boxy. (around 3 to 400Hz will do that every time)
The entire boxiness issue comes down to whether or not the cabinet is sealed.
Think about a 360/6 would love to see you use the Rick O Sound and split amps with the neck and bridge pickups .
The first version of "piezo" that Zach said out loud is the correct way.
What is this “tested” stock music website you guys are talking about at that very beginning of this episode?
Scofield on the AC30 combo version - end of the old yarn!
So glad you guys are back. Great stuff
I deal with the standing/sitting issue by using a strap (either way) and don't rely on the legs for support.
Fender price raise: Fender consumes many PCB boards and electronic components in their massive distribution system. Some parts are unavailable. Others are 10x what they were. Many things may have to be refactored because of adaptations that must be made to utilize the available components. This chip and component shortage will drive the relative cost of all electronics-based products. I don't know the exact impact the current situation has on the cost of goods but based on general trends I suspect the BOM is a few percent higher than they were. This trickles out to the services and systems that turn electricity into data. The internet will get slower, more paywalls will emerge, and the cost for SaaS software will need to be renegotiated. Welcome to my world!
Like this vidcast.
ps just subscribed. inching towards 10k
15 minute intro tangent aside, cool episode. Surprised you didn’t mention the Revv D20. I got that amp partially from Rhett’s recommendation.
Awesome conversation. Enjoyed it. FYI... The reason the English drive on the other side of the road is because of the way ships traveled well before cars. If you look at boats today in fact, the steering wheel is on the same side as their cars.
Could anyone clarify what's mentioned around 48:00? 1600 bucks for that fender combo doesnt sound crazy to me... The 2900 for the handwired version is a bit over the top but if youre buying a Marshall JTM45 head and a 4x12 cab youre out 2400 bucks aswell?
someone in my town (Toronto) is selling a 1964 Vox AC30 for $4000 Canadian. Two modifications: external speaker outputs and a Canadian 120V plug (just for safety). I'd sell some stuff to buy it but then I'd have no guitars left to use with the amp
I'm a Fender guy, but was shocked at the new prices. FYI - Sweetwater has dropped the price of their Limited Edition Fender Princeton 65 (tweed) to $1,099! My guess is that they are not going with the price increase, and clearing out their stock. The Limited Editions at Guitar Center are now going for $1,399.
Can we have another episode of this topic so you can go more in depth please
I had a midnight blue 330 from like 2015…definitely get the older one cause I spent three years trying to like that guitar, but my God that was the smallest width around the nut ever and I just hated playing it…looked great though. Pickups were meh. Problem is I’d played a handful of 90’s to 2000’s ones and assumed (wrongly) it’d be the same. It was a gift, so I got it sight unseen, new, never played. Maybe I’ll get an older one someday. Great episode, hope my dudes are doing well. All my love!!!
Well, Rhett, I’m not a guitarist. I play bass.
But, I love Noa and your band’s music a lot. You’re a super band!!
And, I’ve been watching ‘That pedal show’ weekly since it started...
I learned.
I don’t think Noa should get rid of his now rig.
I think he should get his ‘Brittish’ amp (never a bad way to go...😁), and mix it in a simplest way possible with the stuff he’s using right now.
Should be easy! Just get in touch with ‘That Pedal Show’. They’ll help you out, and it’ll make for at least three great video’s: theirs, yours and Noa’s.
Let me guess off the bet: a low wattage Vox type amp, mixed together with whatever Noa’s using now, in a simple The Gig Rig way: easy!
To get rid of the boxiness, Noa will need a 2x12 cab. That’s no big deal.
Get in touch; get on a plane with Noa. They’ll get you sorted, as they say in the UK (like: get you hooked up). (The video’s will get the bill 😀).
If not, I don’t know sh*t, can’t one of your friends help Noah out, like borrowing him an amp? Rick?
I have a Dr Z Z Wreck JR. 1x12 combo and a Dr Z Monza 1x12 and I never thought of them as "boxy". I run them both at once in a sort of wet/dry thing. I know what you mean though if compared to a 2x12 or 4x12. They just have "more". I cant even turn the 2 Z's up often at home and I dont play out so a 4x12 is kinda nuts. Im with ya in spirit though!
Great to have the weekly cast back!
Love the idea of a single knob trem! But only if that one knob is big and dumb.
If you want a great Fender circuit hand wired amp - Vintage Sound is a great choice …
Best Princeton reverb ever
Gotta agree, OX or something from Two Notes is pretty much required now, no way would I ever be able to know what my amp sounds like at full volume otherwise. Plus, the mics, the room, the extra tools that can take your guitar to a mastered sound. I can't imagine playing at home without one. Plus you can go gig with it and know exactly what you're giving FOH every time without fucking with micing a cabinet.
Amps are so much fun. I have half a dozen vintage tube amps and they’re all cool. But do I need them? No.
If you’re on a budget, Get a used Peavey Delta blues and you’re good. Or a Vox AC15C. Or the Fender Super Champ XD.
If you have money to spend go nuts. But be aware that every amp needs servicing and that adds up.
I have 2 Hotwire amplification custom Amps, handwired tube amp, custom cabs, tolex and grill cloths paid around $1500 CDN for each amp
If you have a Combo Amp with models built in, do you really need pedals? Or is there some kind of balance you can add with them? Fender GTX or Boss Katana for example.
The only thing I can think of is if you are doing alot of looping and want the ability to have a clean track and a lead track that's overdriven or has effects. If your looping on a combo with effects built in usually the whole signal after the looper will have the effects on and you cant have a clean and an effects going at the same time like with pedals and a looper.
The Fender price jump has me thinking about a Franklyn, honestly- I had been saving for a Princeton, but by the time I get to it, they'll have moved it further and further along.
what about order kit from like Mojo tone and find builder to make itnfor you? Will sound maybe even better, for much better money.
@@stanislavmigra I've thought about building my own too- I just built a pedal with its teeny tiny parts and Nick Greer said I should try an amp with it's big easy parts :)
@@Amish_Trivedi man, I can only recomend that. You get stellar amp for fraction of price. Princeton circuit is very small and straightforward.
I was looking at the HRD extension cab and I literally watched them jack the price up $50 in real time practically
Is the Neil Young cover Cortez the Killer because if it isn’t, it should be.
I’m surprised HOME DEPOT hasn’t come for you yet lol
Just picked up a NUX Solid Studio for $225 to do my sims at home. EL35, 6V6, and EL84 and sev different cabs and 8 mics!!
38:15 If you're tracking a 100w through headphones, you might as well just get an IR and go full digital.
Magnatone just released the starlite. It's an affordable Magnatone and I am having tense eye contact with it....😂😍
I just wish it had at least a 10” speaker. I have a hard time justifying a boxy 8” in a relatively expensive amp, which makes it a bit of a novelty.
@@nilsx3020 yeah there isnt any videos about it yet hope there will be soon would love to buy it when it sounds good
I have a Victoria 35310 from 1996 (tweed bandmaster clone). Killer amps
The Michael Landau version of the hot rod is pretty sick.
Rhett, little bit of notice from George Lynch for using 1959 Marshall with Ox. When gunned, that amp disipates way more then 100watts, carefull not to blow your amp.
Given a little searching about that Deluxe Reverb at $1600...my gaaahd are there way more & way more interesting options at that price. That's like spending 50 grand on a Civic because it's the only thing you tried & you kinda liked it.
Agreed. So many options at the price point. I guess the good thing about the deluxe reverb (if you really want one) is that there are so many out there, finding one used is pretty easy.
Fender is even more overpriced for what you get when you look at their low volume/solid state amps. Anything Vox makes sounds so much better than Fender’s comparable products.
The Fender Frontman 15 sounds like a pair of dollar store headphones from 2005. Meanwhile, the Vox Pathfinder is AMAZING, especially for the price. I love my Pathfinder.
I like Vox more than Fender but I’ve spent more on Fender amps because you have to spend way more to get the “classic tone” the brand is known for.
other than marshall, what amp comes to mind for an 80's rock band?
I may never buy a “real amp.” I run a HX Stomp with Tone Junkies IR’s. I do play church gigs every week but the prices just make my head explode.🤯 What about playing gigs with a FRFR rig? Using a stomp, acs1 or iridium just name your box of choice?
Haha, Rhett’s still chaffed be didn’t get selected by PRS to try the SE Silver Sky. Well don’t worry, it’s got a weird headstock anyways… 😂
That is an ugly headstock. The regular PRS headstock ain't pretty but the Silver Sky one is awful. I like PRS, own one, and plan to buy a second. The headstock works well but ooof it's lousy looking.
About Noah’s amp issues: I like his band very much.
So, couldn’t we join together and each sell one pedal to get an amp for Noah and his band?
I’m in to sell one.
Rhett, do you want to buy my Divided by 13 AMW 39 (basically the exact head and cab you made a vid on at Righteous Guitars), mint condition and with road cases? I don't live far from Atlanta. Cheers!
What are you selling it for?
@@aidanswainston3017 $3k
I'm here, Baby!
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Why does it take so long, to be uploaded on Spotify?
Upload got messed up unbeknownst to me
Picked up a Dr Z z28 head, and couldn’t be happier! Great tones, and really versatile. Takes pedals great, breaks up great. Doesn’t get too gainy, but that’s where I live. Gets different character from different cabinets and speakers. I’m putting together a 1 x 15” cabinet for a Pro vibe.
Only drawback is no effects loop (not a big deal for me?), and it’s an older one with only a 4ohm and 8ohm out…would like to have the 16ohm also.
I need to play more amps.
I bought the M-80 for something close to 4K (in Europe) and I don’t even gig.
New episode every 3 weeks?
We're working on it, been a busy time for us both
Orange AD30 in head or combo form 🧡🧡🧡🧡
I do love ‘loud’ (that’s a relative notion) guitars a lot, and all the beautiful shit (😆) that comes out of their pedals and amps.
I love loud synths too. Loud (too loud...) drums? Not so much...
But, with guitarists: I always pray they don’t loose their ears, or sell them to get the newest Strymon or Line-6 whatever.
Being a bassplayer, I need a guitarist not just to know and love ‘their stuff’, but also to know and love the music.
Well, that’s becoming an issue the last few years.
Drummers are even worse, lately. The younger ones play mostly to RUclips videos and can’t stop trying to be Neall Peart in a Neil Diamond song...: well, that’s the freekin’ wrong Neill, Nealll! 🤣
But, I do love the amp sound above all! I’ll play with just a terrific bass DI for sure (haven’t found the best (non-tube) one with speaker sim (for my effects), though...), but there’s nothing better than a nice amp.
But, when will guitarists (re)learn not to use too much low end to get a fat sound? Have they become stupid? Did they not learn from the greatest guitarists? Not used a treble boost pedal with a great tube amp for ‘that’ sound in pop and rock/ roots?
So, didn’t they watch all the right video’s, than? Well they should!
For myself, as a bassist, I’ll play any amp (and I have a few (🤣)), as long as I can bring one, two or more of my little Ampeg AV 2x10’s. They are like mini SVT 8x10’s. Not too much low end on stage.
When I need to play subby synthy parts on bass or bass-synth too without a PA, I’ll just bring one ore two HK Premium Audio 2x10 PA subs (I got rid of the low pass filters in those, 😉). They’re not too big, but can handle my MeatBox, lowpass filter and octave pedals easily, especially on weddings or corporate gigs, 😂.
But, I’m as happy to bring a single Ampeg AV 2x10, a small amp, on of my simple Fenders, a tuner and a cable. 🤗
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Why would anyone pronounce it Rickenbarker? Oh and capo is short for the italian capodastro, so it’s “cappo”
Alex Melton is the name of the covers genius
To my ears most guitar/amp demos are unlistenable.....no real songs, just noodling with TONS of distortion. Not my thing. Recently ordered a used Blues Cube Hot....the guy got a beautiful clean sound from his strat and also a sound that I thought was fairly close to Robben Ford thru his Dumble. That's what sold me on the amp.
Do you really have to buy into the TwoNotes ecosystem though? Can't you just use a virtual IR loader in a DAW with it and any IRs you want?
Tell Noah to get a USED Fender Hot Rod DeVille ML 212 and a Marshall itb pedal.
I kind of feel violated that there is actually an opening track.
👍👍👍
Blue chip; fire proof, cut proof, but not dog proof.
Ouch. Yea, if I'm spending over 1500 on an amp I'm definitely not going new Fender. And if I'm willing to spend over 3k I'm going Two Rock for sure
Love my Dr Z cure amp.
Real tape echo on the bass is worth it's weight in...old tape machines
Picks like pocket knives are paradoxes of life. If you use it, you'll lose it.
Dug the intro tune Rhett.
Rhett you're out of sync (video/audio) but you guys are awesome.
its called slating, the slating is off
Yeah, Fenders price hikes over the past two years have been inSAAAAANE 🤨
Why wouldn't you buy 4-5 Peaveys for $3000?
Hotone is another mystery pronunciation. Ho-tone? Hot One?
I saw a video today (not sure but may have been Max) and he kept saying hot tone. Made my head hurt. Love you man but there aren't 2 Ts in that word.
Rhett what are you drinking?
The intro is great, but I do miss the intro excuses for why there isn’t an intro track
Now I'm trying to figure out which Neil Young song Noah would kill and I can think of, like, TEN off the top of my head.
Don’t sleep on Swart…
You guys boycotting Apple or what? 😂
Fender Heavy
Ya this is just getting dumb now… like these gibson sg or jr reissues are more expensive than the originals?? Are they nuts…… and if u can pay 3k for a deluxe then why the hell wouldn’t u just save another g and stalk reverb for an original
Never heard of this podcast. I’m 12 minutes in and they haven’t talked about amps. Just instagram and tik tok. Oh, and the ghostbuster car.
Yup! Gotta stay for that juicy guitar talk
pyetzoe
“They just dont sound good!” Thats an asinine statement given how how popular they are! And rather insulting to those of us who love them!
Dupont are the bad guys tho.
Old school style classic design amps are cool and tempting but I'm going to pick up a 50W 5150III head for 800 this weekend. Not the best amp in the world, but a good one and high value for money.