Narcissistic Cults And The Light Side of the Force, Jedi vs Sith : Mark Vicente
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My family was a “cult” with a psychopathic father as its leader. While the “cult” has long been dismantled and my father dethroned as its leader, I’m still impacted and healing from its subliminal and insidious ripples on my life.
Despite the pain and trauma, I don’t think I would’ve gained so much insight and wisdom on the human experience without it, so in that sense I’m grateful for the good and positive ways I’ve been able to grow from it and help others with what I’ve learned.
I’m starting to wonder if all families are tiny “cults”. 🤔🤔 It seems no matter what the family appears to be from an outsider’s perspective….there are always a few trying to escape or break fee ….from the ones who are incapable of “saying shit when their mouth is full of it” and owning accountability for themselves, and their actions 🥴😂😂😉
Thanks for sharing…your story resonates…stay strong 💪🔥❤️☯️🖖
Even people’s friends ship groups too, I noticed ….little mini cults lol
@@pickle9753 Thanks Pickle! 🥒 I notice we tend to have exactly the people and situations around us to help us grow 🌱, or at least to help till our soil so we can plant🪴seedlings within us what is most needed for our soul’s growth. May the force be with you on your journey 🙌😃.
@@brightstar4321 thanks, and also with you 🖖☯️💪🔥❤️
Is there any good definition then for a non-cult entity? Or is the entire social or even physical world a cult? So a person must empty his mind or do something utterly random to not be in a cult? Unless someone comes up with a cult of mind-emptying and a cult of doing random things?
If it wasn’t for you I would have never known what I was married to. If it wasn’t for you, I wouldn’t have known how to leave. And if it wasn’t for you, I wouldn’t be ok during the insanity of this healing process. Bc of you I am ok not being ok. I cannot thank you enough for helping me and giving me a plan of action aka HOPE. I admire you and I appreciate you being nothing less than a huge blessing in my life. You are the man♥️
God bless you, sir.
My "narcisstic family structure" family raised me in a religious cult. This is spot on. Cults are narcissist family structures on a larger scale. Same abuse tactics.
During the plannedemic.
It was all very obvious and triggering to me .
Left and right narcissistic tactics .
And responses .
I just figured this out too!!!
Me too. Great to be healing. I hope you are too.
I belonged to a group that started off as what I'd describe as being a "New Agey" course. I now see similarities between this group and a cult. I realize that a lot of the behaviours of the group leaders could be described as being Narcissistic. There was a lot of love-bombing, programing, and gaslighting going on. Then I witnessed how people who figured out who the leaders really were (behind their charismatic and sparkly masks) and spoke up about it, were discarded. And then it was my turn to be kicked to the curb. And while I had become very dependent on the group and the leaders for my validation, I was relieved when it was over. It's taken me awhile to trust others again and reclaim who I really am. And watching Richard's Videos on Narcissism, has helped immensely with my recovery, along with therapy. These people know who they can pick on - the vulnerable, those feel lost, as well as others with codependency issues. The experience taught me a lot, and I hope never to go through it again!
Having grown up in SA, worked as a makeup artist in film and the news industry ,as well as having been in an abusive narcissistic relationship for years, this fascinating conversation has hit many spots❤
I watched "what the bleep" years ago. Still think about it today. ❤
I’m absolutely sure you must have read it Richard but for those who haven’t, Daniel Shaw’s book “Traumatic Narcissism, Relational Systems of Subjugation“ is illuminating. It’s geared more for the therapist but for anyone interested in understanding this more in-depth it’s a must. Shaw also is outspoken (in general)about his experience with a cult.
I’ve not read it, thanks for the tip 📕
I was OBSESSED with ‘What the Bleep Do We Know’!!! I left the theater a changed person❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
It is wrong to believe that narcissists can't be great film makers or great artists or great scientists ... I have met many narcissists excelling in something that is very important to them, and they were exceptionally good at or proficient in an activity or interest. Narcissists are crap at being good, caring partners, parents, bosses, humans. But they can be excellent performers in whatever they care about.
Yes, I agree, they have the ability to fully throw themselves into something bc in general everyday life & social connections, or keeping them, overall mean nothing to them, those are a waste of time in their minds. So they have the keen ability to fully throw themselves into a career, whatever that might be.
I can’t get enough of these 2!!
Same here. Had tacos 🌮 last night 😂
Agree! Sense ! And Sensability
@@mylveilleuxI’m jealous 🌮 🤤
@@RICHARDGRANNON I’d be happy to take you out for tacos 🌮 if you come to Austin! 😋
If you think you can outsmart the devil then hes got you already.
I understood my narcissist and his family so much better after watching Mark's documentary on Scientology 5 years ago 🙏
Why?? :)
I wasn't allowed to question him, my way of seeing things was always wrong, I was punished for defending myself. It was very similar to a cult.
@@audbod4140yes .
Time is unfolding differently. Some people are clocked to each other in strange ways .
Like a clock work orange?
I enjoyed this very much. Great rapport between fellas having a sit down chit chat
Great conversation, thank you Richard.
Mark made What the Bleep?!!!!! BEST FILM EVERRRR!!!!
So my daughter who's about to graduate college just compared the American election choices to Frodo or Sauron while FaceTiming tonight .... lol and who was the first face that came to my mind . Richard G . Then I started giggling ... then I come on and see this ... ❤ good vs evil ..... love Star Wars . Love your analogy's . Thank u .. the force ...
Great conversation. Thank you.
I've enjoyed this interview a lot.
Obrigada.
Great work gentlemen
That was fun. Thank you.
Vicente is so interesting in conversation
1:00:00 You'll be glad to know Star Wars:The Acolyte is actual sets! I worked on that show (to be released summer this year) from beginning to end and the sets were really really amazing. I work in the art department and the stuff we got to design was super lovely - half of which wouldn't exist with a volume replacement. Even with all the sets being built, I heard it was still cheaper that way than using the volume which seems insane. But yeah... lots do use the volume (there's one at Pinewood here in the UK) but it's a bit soulless if you ask me. Hard for the actors too...
That was a great talk show by the way
Thank You Richard and Mark...I loved this talk and the rapour you have was very enjoyable❤❤❤p.s.also a lover of Si Fi and Action movies !! Love the further insights of "What the Bleep" which, Mark was groundbreaking. My theiry about the revelation of "the Mysteries" is that humanity as a whole can only manage so much info...and it has been slowly comming more and more into mass conciousness. As a 68yr old seeker i have witnessed it expanding in my lifetime. ❤❤❤More of this content please Richard, big fan ❤
Muito Obrigado Mark Vicente.
Omg yes!!! I live with quite a lot of imposter syndrome and I’m like how! How do these people with hardly any quals or experience run with it so hugely! Pisses me off a little at times! Xxx
This episode had a great title, and the guest seemed nice but i watched the whole thing and feel like the topic was barely touched on? I hope there will be another episode on this topic where you actually talk about it, I think it’s a really important topic and I would love to hear your thoughts. I’m honestly confused about what I just watched 😅 seems like the guest kept changing the subject idk I don’t understand 🤣
I completely agree with you. I was honestly super excited to watch this. I saw him in the thumbnail and recognized him from The Vow and another documentary about his cult. I was really excited but slowly got more and more disappointed as I realized that it was mostly a discussion on film and Star Wars. Which I get, he's a film maker. But it just felt like such clickbait when maybe 5 minutes was about the cult? If they had titled it more accurately to the topics discussed I wouldn't be disappointed and would understand. Just felt very bait and switched that I kept skipping ahead to see if they ever got back on course. Hopefully there is another episode that actually addresses the title.
I’m enjoying this video thank you 🙏
I've heard Mark before.. really great info! This is going to be a fabulous interview 🙌
Dr Rhamani interviewed him on her podcast
@victoriavitoroulis3273 yep that is the one I heard
What The Bleep was great!! I saw it when it first came out in the theaters. Marlee Matlin is wonderful!
Yes I saw it what the bleep! Many moons ago!! I will give it another watch xx
The book that Blade Runner 1 was based on - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K. Dick - is a very fashinating book, and gives a nice counter-balance to the Ridley Scott Movie (because the book is like a mirror image of the movie, in many ways). In the book Deckard overcomes his depression and anxiety, and through his trials and tribulations finds hope, faith, and courage - and a new zest for life.
Funny though SA is really thriving now.
I mean, what a place to live in.
Thank you, brother. This is one of the most blatant reasons why I subscribed to you, besides the lessons and comedy. You just quoted one of my favorite scriptures from Thomas @ 51:34! I saw What the Bleep in the theatre and then, years later, (as 'little me' has always been on a spiritual journey,) I was "star struck" when I met Dr. Bruce after I'd just finished 'The Biology of Belief,' and I knew intuitively without words by the look in his eyes he was going to give me his second book, a strange feeling. (Again, not to brag, but the cnpd may still be in my 'blind spot.') That being said, watching this here on RUclips, which deletes entire channels, shadow bans, erases or deletes view numbers and comments, they're not _quite_ as mean as the "stupid people in Hollywood"🤣 (_perfectly hilarious meme!_) also the intelligence com-munities seem to be open to exposing the topic of psychology, - this is a big full-circle for me! Thanks, we'll check it & Peace! 😹💖🙏🕊
More please! 🙏🏻
GRANNON please bring forward the EVIDENCE that Adolf Hitler died in his bunker?
Green Book.. It's such a good film ❤❤❤
@21:53 there's a knock while the word time is being said by Mark, in the context of meditation and moments when you realize, there is no time. I'm sure the studio is professional and there's no way it was a sound that naturally occurred in that moment.
Great talk. Really enjoyed it
OMG!!! Starstruck hahhaaa, I have the DVD of what the bleep. Watch it still.
Some of what Mark was talking about with the time and reality thing reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut's stuff
I turned this notification on yesterday…why did I just need to do it again?? Horse shit app lol
I'm an atheist and not particularly spiritual in any capacity. I'm much more of a science-geek however, speaking of Mark's movie "What the (bleep)..." and making things "happen" with your mind, I have the opposite phenomenon happen with me. I won't obsessively think about something and it happens, such as bumping into someone you haven't seen in forever. For me it's a fleeting thought. A momentary flash in my brain and I won't think of it again until the occurrence or chance meeting happens. It has to be a situation where I give the thought no more than a second and then when whatever it is happens, I'll remember that fleeting thought and be like..."what the hell! this flashed in my mind yesterday!".
It's funny because I'm not superstitious, however if I start to think about an accident or something bad happening, I will force myself to think about it longer, convincing myself that if I give it more than a momentary flash, then it's not portentous in any way and therefore won't happen. The problem is, I'm not really conscious of the fleeting thought at the time because it comes and goes and that's when the thing, whatever it is, happens.
I sound like a crazy person. 🤣
I rremember "What the Bleep do we know?" I did not get it at all.
Loved Blade Runner. I was not too much into Sci-fil but I loved films like "Tootsie" and "The Breakfast Club" back in the 80s.
Alex Garland wrote “The Beach”.
Richard has the best Liverpool accent since saint John himself.
You two look like & are like brothers. ❤
Lately I've been playing out Pink Floyd's "Fearless" & then this comes out.
It’s funny, I only know this alchemic phrase from pop culture but it’s been running through my head a lot lately and I think it fits with this.
“As above so below, as within so without.”
I don’t want to write an essay, I think the meaning is easy enough to parse out.
Hey, Richard. Just a suggestion, but, I'm thinking you should retitle this. You have to get Star Wars in the title. That would have to push the views up, no?
... Is Star Wars Creating Cults Around the World, Star Trek, Narcissism and Escapism in SciFi
... The Real Life Cult of the Jedi, the Dark Side and Narcissism
...or something better, lol.. but then if you deliver, that is a video getting several million views
Peace
😂😂😂🤟🔥
I dig the way I heard the second one in my head…thanks 🔥🖖😂😂😂😂
we didn't get another television until 1996 ... after our dad put an axe through it 1976 .....
Isn't "What the bleep do we know" in some way connected to Ramtha's school of enlightment? That in itself is quite a rabbithole!
4:07 I’ll tell you exactly what happened… at 13 years old you had a realization…
“I’m Luke Skywalker. I’m here to rescue you” you said, as you pulled off the mask of you enemies.
Is that really Luke Skywalker and Han Solo!?
Star Wars is a fairytale. These are the same:
“A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..”
“Once upon a time, in a kingdom far far away”
Star Wars is the past. Star trellis the future. Where everyone in the federation has perfect nutrition that they function with calm & easy in extremely tense situations. When they are held captive for long periods of time, you can see fight or flight appear.
They take death very well on the enterprise. Star wars is backwards thinking, very emotional.
Grannon referenced the belief system of the Nation of Islam (the "Black Muslims"). Members of that group include Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan
Steve Box wrote a great book about methamphetamine.
What’s the gossip about Mark being part of Ramtha’s school of enlightenment prior to joining nxivm?
World building.
Blade Runner
Alien
Conman the barbarian
There will be blood
The matrix
Paul Ferguson exemplifies the potential of men who are enmeshed by their mothers and victimized by narcissistic abuse. Why is there silence surrounding this enmeshed individual?
Is there a way to contact you personally please?
I’d like to tell my story of cults in my life
Thank you
53:00
Live chat got cut off
start with The Government
its the second biggest religion after money
EXACTLY!!!!
Yep.
cult of RICHARD GRANNON
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And friends? Your Facebook friends who did not want to drop the name?!
I think what Richard keeps calling "world building" is actually production design. There is very little "world building" in the movies he mentions, even the Lord of the Rings films skim over Tolkien's extraordinarily extensive invention of a fictional world. What the movies Richard mentions have in common is immersive and distinctive production design and atmospheric music. One of the reasons all the Star Wars material after the original trilogy is garbage is that they're trying to extract a whole universe out of the simple and vague world cobbled together by George Lucas as an excuse to tell a story.
I think that you are antagonising religion. No one is forcing me to believe and I started to deeply believe in Christ.
When I was like 12 my dad told me something to the effect that I'm the only empathetic one in the entire family - as he chuckled.
🤦♂
+1 RG