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The Seiko Monster is overrated. Watch this before you buy | Seiko SRPH75K1 Monster Save The Ocean
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2022
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The Seiko SRPH75K1 - or the Antarctica Monster Save The Ocean - is overrated. It really is.
Yes, I know you're paying for the brand and the 'Save The Ocean' credentials and all the rest of it, but just how much is too much for ancillary, abstract concepts like those? Plus, the actual build quality of this watch left A LOT to be desired. It rattled like hell, has an abysmal clasp and the bracelet feels cheap. But that's all just my opinion, of course...
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its still a better looking watch , than any 480 pound watch i can find, and thats why i love it
Just the dial, the case and the indices makes me feel like getting it despite the shortocmings. This will also be my first expensive watch, I know 500$ is not much for most of you all, but for me its an huge amount for money for a watch.
There is more of us poors than you think.
I really don't understand the negativity and the hate for Seiko...I just bought this watch from an AD for 20% discount from retail price, IMO it's great: case finish is top notch at this price point, accuracy is about 6 seconds per day. On my own alignment is good, I thought the cyclop iwas off but after staring very carefully I noticed it was an optical illusion. Bezel action is also very good and just after checking the alignment for a while I noticed the paint used for the engraved numbers of the bezel is indeed dark blue matching the dial. Yes there is some play in the endlinks, but underneath them my case was polished well. My main complaint is the clasp that IMO is too wide for the watch, I understand previous generations had a slimmer one but complainers complained it looked weird. I also noticed that the notches of the case aligned with the ones on the bezel but the latter should have been a tad wider in order to match their counterpats but here I'm nitipicking. Overall I would recommend this diver to people that are more interested in substance (ISO 6425 tested) than form (0.5mm play in the endlinks). Oh, hardlex is IMO better than the cheap and hazy sapphire you find on the knockoff brands at the same price point, even if it made more sense with the original design without lens because the bezel protected the recessed crystal...I am thinking about removing it to be honest. P.S. It's sad to see this channel recommends to go with AliE because they have a blue tinted sapphire, in the 70s an advertisement stated "just fake people buy fake watches".
I totally respect your position and am glad you've had a great experience with your Seikos. But I have to say, the sapphire crystals on watches I've experienced and reviewed at £480 (the current RRP of this watch) are not hazy or cheap looking. Likewise, most people paying £480 for a diver likely aren't using it for diving, and if they were, the poor diver's extension would be a disappointment for them. I think a lot of people - and admittedly this is based purely off anecdotal feedback and my own inclinations - would go for a combination of specs AND design/brand heritage at this sort of price point. There are better offerings from Seiko at this price, or just above this price. And let me add I absolutely don't condone fake watches. You imply I do - that's wrong. The Heimdallr homage that many argue is better than the real Monster (but I can't say as I haven't handled it) is not a fake.
I'm aware of the shortcomings of a Seiko at this price range these days, but I still like the Monster design and I'll buy this for the awesome dial.
The Monster is not my type but I do like their Samurai,Turtle/Tortoise and Alpinist line. And they do make beautiful dials. I guess the motto of Seiko is there is a watch for everybody (by churning up all different designs at different price points). I used to be a Seiko snob and my collections were all Swiss brands from entry level to high end. Now I realized I am missing out a lot by ignoring Seiko. There will never be a perfect watch even at the Swiss brand higher price point. It's a matter of what you're willing to compromise. I have noticed that people are more critical of Seiko's fault but are forgiving of more expensive Swiss brands fault. Just look at the rehaut of my Rolex and see if it's off by a mm. In the logic of the people complaining with Seiko having misaligned bezel, at the price point of Rolex the rehaut should be 100% aligned. But in reality, only WIS people can notice that when inspected closely. But practically nobody will do that when it's on another person's wrist.
@@cedricduyongco I agree with your points. For that matter, WIS people are complaining about imperfections on AliExpress watches (homages) that cost from USD 60 - 250; which are otherwise incredible value for the money. Of course these are usually homages, but with outstanding specifications and finishing, considering the low prices..
I watched this video and still brought this watch 😂😂 I love it.
@Mtown Bound I tried the penguin feet one on, it was lovely. The subtle changes of the dial colour in different light swayed me in to getting the dark penguin though.
@Mtown Bound exactly that.
I went for the King Samurai STO with sapphire AND ceramic bezel. Got it for £470. Love this watch tho and may look for one to go with the sammy in my collection! Seiko just do great designs, putting out far more choice than pretty much any other brand! Just make sure you buy online with a free return period so you can scrutinise the watch to ensure no QC issues!
What’s worse is my spb143 $1899 aud watch has the same diver’s extension. I wish I knew how to remove it.
Its worth every penny.
Tremendous watch. But you are lying to yourself if you don’t think these are overpriced..
@rightthroughthecounterstri3961 for me it's fine. I collect Seiko only without regrets.
Lumey! I've been really falling in love with your videos lately. Also, I kinda had built you up to kinda look like if Johnny Rotten was a Top Gear presenter in 2005, but you instead look quite dashing and really respectable. I don't know if I might be a bit disappointed... Now, about the watch, I think it is obvious that Seiko has become immune to make a 10/10 watch these days, especially divers, but also other styles. I mean, they make great watches and mostly worth their buck, but I think they're currently in a bit of a rut when it comes to certain things other brands seem to master with little to no problems.
A few weeks ago I was looking at a Presage model, I liked it a lot, but there were some minute details that made me shy away a bit. For me it was the hands, that watch model would have been a solid 9/10 if they had gone for some coffin shaped hands like they do on the GS. All in all, I kinda felt there were better options out there that was more appealing for the money. Then I had a look at a Orient Bambino and I just fell head over heels for that little rascal. I was really close to pulling the trigger on it, but I already have a Seestern 600T homage on the way (thanks to you), and now I am about to order another watch which will kinda serve the purpose of any Presage or Bambino. It's the Selten 00.00 with a meteorite dial. That's a watch I think you should try and get for your channel, not many reviews on RUclips for it, and the guy who makes them is a really nice and helpful guy, and the watch looks quite nice, although I will admit it is not a 10/10, but I felt it was unique enough to get my hands on.
Good health to you, sir.
Cheers.
That's probably the most unlikely comparison I've ever had but I'll take it! Also, dashing and respectable aren't adjectives I've ever associated with myself so thanks so much for saying so 🤣
There's a fair few pieces mentioned there. Some of the Presage models look great (the Cocktail Time ones, to be specific), but I think the lack of a sapphire crystal on the models I like has put me off. It's a little thing but I'm a right clumsy bast**d, so that Hardlex would look like a used vinyl in no time. As for the Bambino, it's another I'd like to try. Maybe I should and just upgrade the crystals on both. It's just an expense I resent having to do having already paid for the watch.
I think you'll be made up with the Seestern, but do let me know your thoughts. I'm buying another one of them. They're just fantastic value for money IMO. Not sure even San Martin gets close to them, really - at least at that price. The San Martins at £200-£350 ovbiously do, but for about £140, Seestern is the GOAT.
I know the Selten watch you're talking about! It's a beautiful piece and one I'd love to review. They actually offered me a small discount on the piece but I couldn't get one at the time. Maybe one will come into my possession in future if I keep my ear* to the ground**.
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I hope you continue enjoying the videos, mate!
Got me thinking, had a gen 1 black monster and had to sell my small watch collection due to circumstances. Like the look of this new one, my eyes are getting old so don't mind the day/date magnifier. Bit on the fence. Thanks for the video.
I love the that the stainless steel case is back! and they even improved the bracelet with a nice fit with the case and a wider clasp. now they price have come down to below ~$380 it's a much better deal
Hey so I like the look of this watch and found one at around $300. Anyone recommend getting it at that price despite some of the critics?
Thanks for the video…I’ve been considering this for a while as I’ve not experienced a monster and as you say that disk is sublime. You’re right for the best part of £500 the specs and build quality just aren’t good enough. I recently purchased as C Ward Trident pro 300 for £750 (with a coupon) and for what you get for the extra £250 is staggering. The quality equals that of my BB58 navy. Sorry…rant over!!
No worries, Noel. I think you've nailed it there - brands like Christopher Ward, Nodus, Tissot, Steinhart, Squale etc are way better value propositions. I love the Trident Pro (and miss my old white model, as well as my Tide LE) - great watch with sublime finishing, as you rightly point out!
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Are the previous versions of the monster made any better? Also can you replace the glass with sapphire crystal? Not sure what mod options are available with the monster. Anyone? Thanks
Good question, mate. That was my first Monster - I would be up for trying different models and I'm not anti-Seiko by any means. I'd say these are definitely mod-able. Seiko Mods seems to stock Monster parts, too: www.seikomods.com/product-category/monster-watch-mod-parts/page/2/
(That's not an affiliate link nor do I have any affiliation right now with that website/company, just so you know)
Great honest review. I struggle with the price of a lot of Seiko prospex watches as well, and I wonder if the whole save the ocean bit has added a premium of sorts to the price. I bought a prospex Solar padi that I am quite pleased with though, but since it was solar quartz it was a couple hundred or more less than the automatic I was looking at, so that was a win for me. Thanks m8
Where did you buy from??!
Seems good for 200$ . I bought mine without box together with sumo hulk sumo. Paid 400$ equivalent for both but they did not come with a box. I know it is real seiko as I have the real sumo hulk to compare. Besides the cyclops and without box, I like em. Wearing it today just got them few hours ago😂 with stickers and all from a very unhappy wife. Great size. Great color and my first special edition. Happy feet monster penguin doesnt sound correct but they look really cool as antarctica. Same size with my kamasu but with same dial with my king samurai and bezel action is seiko as it is quite not perfectly aligned but better clicks than my sumo hulk. Lumes is same as seiko samurai. Its my most loved piece so far. I will be checking if an SKX 007 will give same feeling of satisfaction after I will get it few days from now. But this one is cooler than what I currently have. I just ordered a SD1970 Captain Willard on the 11-11 sale and was thinking this black friday to get the heimdallr with the same dial and saw someone selling this. What a bargain . Better than buying something homagjng it. Perfect size for my wrist so far.
I like it, you apparently don't. Inflation and the improved hacking movement over the 7S26 hasn't increased the price at all once you consider inflation. FWIW these can be purchased all day long for under $400, which is actually less than I paid for my Monsters in 2001.
That watch really looks cool in your wrist. You dont like it but it certainly likes you.
I agree about the hardlex . For a watch of the same price, other brands (like Tissot or Hamilton for example) offer sapphire.
but you will get only quartz versions with those brands. so, for me, movement is more important than the glass
Brilliant review
I have a SEIKO King Turtle Mantra and it is brilliant. But you need to look and search for your SEIKO because the QC issues. So part of the watch appreciation is the hunt that goes with it to find the perfect watch. I am happy and am very pleased with my SEIKO but as I said you can’t buy the 1st one you find you need to have your wits about you when fishing for your SEIKO
Oh and it had the best Lumibrite going around 😁
Thanks very much! 🙏You're absolutely right. I've tried/bought a couple more Seikos SINCE this but I really had to do my research and actually talk to ADs/sellers about the actual pieces I'd be receiving etc. As long as you can find the right specs on the right piece for the right price, plus some QC checks, then you'll (probably) be OK 😅
Great review, I have managed to find this watch on sale for £360 in the UK. Would you say this is worth the price instead of the RRP of £560? Thanks!
Thanks very much! I’d say at that price, it’s a much better proposition. Especially the dial. Honestly, the dial is stunning. The rest is standard Seiko fare, but at over £500, that’s not on. But £360 is a good price! 👍🏻Let me know if you decide to get it and what you think 😉
@@LumePip Thanks for the opinion, will let you know!
I’ve had the original orange monster for over a decade and not a single scratch on the crystal. Still one of my favourite watches in my collection. I didn’t pay anything like £500 for it though, probably half that.
Completely agree. Bought it and returned it immediately. Bought a Heimdallr frost monster instead. $170 and you get a better (milled) clasp and better (sapphire) glass.
Well, my SKX779 is still in rotation after 19 years, most of those years as a daily. Maybe I will get it serviced someday.
Wow I do like the styling of the Monster, but I have to agree with you that in this price range you have a sapphire crystal. Dust inside the case of a 500-dollar watch is unacceptable. And I don't like the idea of all the crap collecting around the bezel. I think they made a decision at the top to pocket the money they save by giving their customer less quality hence no sapphire in many of their mid-price so-called better-quality watches. That said most of my Seiko's are still looking great even with Hardlex Crystal, Mineral instead of sapphire. There are always pro's and con's, I like Seiko and I do wish they would start using Sapphire in more of their mid-range choices. Orient Triton has sapphire Crystal and they do it at a price point below 300 dollars and great accuracy, the but on the Triton though is I am sure it is no ISO certified for diving and that does cost! And hey I am no professional, but I do like my watches and I have them ranging from an Omega Planet Ocean to an Invicta Pro diver, everyone needs a beater watch. LOL!
Prices will continue to rise and have poor QC as long as they have little competition. I buy maybe one Seiko in a year now. I find Seiko homages from the far east to be be better value with better finish and materials plus Seiko movements at 1/4 the price or less. I like an honest review like this.
No matter how much seiko rise they are not as expensive as the overprice "swiss" watches that burnt our pocket 😂😂
I’m a seiko collector and I’ve got quite a few divers, including a jade green monster which is pretty similar to this one. It’s probably the watch in my collection that I’ve got the most mixed feelings on, sometimes I love wearing it but it gets less time than any other seiko diver. I have to say I agree this bracelet is a bit of a waste of space, it just doesn’t match the case and dial. The diver extensions generally are just a load of nonsense for 99% of users, they just look like a cheap afterthought to tick a box. I’ve got mine on a strapcode superengineer, much more in line with the industrial case design I think. On a positive note it seems to have nearly doubled in value since I bought it….
I had a Strapcode Hexad bracelet on a Samurai I used to have and it really did lift the watch into a new tier entirely, so that is always an option. But it seems like a lot of these $500 Seikos now come with the understanding you might have to do upgrades on it for it to match other brands' watches in the same price category! 🙃
@@LumePip yes I’ve got a hexad on my Samurai, which looks great for about 340 all in as I got it used/barely worn. Got a super engineer on my monster.
Do you have the same views on the baby tuna? Srph 77
I haven’t tried it out, mate, so couldn’t say either way. I hate Hardlex though and think Seiko massively overcharge for sapphire crystal- saying that, I do have a new Seiko that I’m really enjoying. They’re great watches but don’t offer the specs others do for the same price - a take as old as time. Nice finishing, great historical brand, but you’ve just got to pay a bit of a premium to match other brands that offer the same/better specs for less.
I find the same QC issues on my king turtle, with a little fiber and dust on the dial marker.
It’s a shame because Seiko’s dials are kind of unrivalled at the price! It’s what they do best IMHO, and one can forgive a lot if you look down and see a near-perfect dial
Ma786sai dua After seeing their absolutely handsome, robust 3rd Generation Jade SZSC005 I pulled the trigger happily after finding a 2019 Jade for 1300 US dollars. A Blue coral reef Monster SBDC067 was next. Just one look at both these 3rd Gens and my mind was made happily made up. The blue cost me lots 1400 US dollars with papers and box but it was well worth it. And next will be a navy blue dialled Gen-3 SZSC003. I agree with you the 4th Gen just don’t do it for me in any way.
I love my Orange 2nd Gen, with its quirks. I bought it in 2014 for $175.00 (you’ll never see that again!) I also own Mark’s, Islander with the 1st Gen black dial & Sapphire crystal.
I have never been a fan of the monster and for some people it is a musthave in the collection, a classic. I think for that price there a better offerings on the market nowadays. Also not a fan of these 'limited editions' Seiko thing.
that’s my first ever seiko watch, bought it a year ago before knowing much about watches and diver, I would say the first thing i didn’t know i hate is hardlex crystal because i got scratches in a few days, so now i will upgrade to another watch but you really cannot hate the fact that seiko has a brilliant dial,
Couldn't agree more, mate. In fact, I'm in the process of getting another Seiko but this one WILL have sapphire! Those dials are stunning, but do need some protection 😅
Pretty happy to have picked up this version of the Monster on sale brand new for $399 AUD - about 200 quid plus a few bob in loose change when converted to GBP.
I own the JDM model SBDY115 and the previous Save the Ocean Antarctica Monster SBDY105 as well. This is the first negative review I’ve seen on this watch . I don’t have any of the issues you have with yours on either of mine and I’d say these are actually excellent Seiko divers . I’ve even thought of adding the Padi edition of the fourth generation monster as well. The only point I agree with you on is that I do wish it had a sapphire crystal. Other than that my two Save the Ocean Antarctica Monster watches are amazing 🤩
I think if you've got one and haven't had the same issues as me, more power to you 🙌 Unfortunately, based on my experience, I just can't recommend it. A lot of people are saying I could upgrade the crystal, bracelet, clasp etc, but I think for the price, I shouldn't have to! Nevertheless, glad you like yours, Joseph 👍👍
Beautiful dial. Wish it had the bezel color of the Padi as well, it would be a no brainer then.
Heimdallr monster - better quality, 5 times cheaper. End.
Yep! I absolutely agree... Just sold mine few days ago
Huh. I really love my Monster. Although I'd have preferred flat Sapphire with no magnifier, that's for sure.
I think some of the other models might have a better price-value ratio - but honestly, mate, not in this case! A lot of people also recommending it once modded... I think with Sapphire and maybe without the magnifier it could be a better watch, but I also don't think this should be a prerequisite to buying a watch! 😅
@@LumePip For me personally price to value rations don't factor in a whole lot. An emotional connection makes a bigger difference. I have Aliexpress watches that cost way less and have sapphire and enjoy them less.
@@halfpastblog that's weird, I have AliExpress watches that cost way less, and I love them more.
Partly because they cost less.
Because I'm not a mug who flings his money around on pointless brand cache
I sold my monster and am now rocking a heimdallr homage/copy and the build quality is miles better.
it's a very robust and nice watch. Wonderful dial. Good quality/price ratio!
I like the monster...but because Seiko keeps being Seiko, this is a case where an Islander homage or Heimdallr homage is better in my opinion. You get sapphire, better clasp, better build and a cheaper price. That being said I just bought a Seiko Marine Master 300. I guess it takes that price to get a better movement, build, sapphire and signed crown from Seiko. But it is a great watch. If I want a monster, I will go homage...great vid...I have no idea if I spelled Heimdallr correctly....
@@Michael-ko8uf As I said, I own a Marine Master 300. I’m not a Seiko hater by any means. But to think that they don’t cut corners is just not honest. Singed crowns, milled clasps, these aren’t hard to do but yet Seiko requires a customer to spend in excess of $1k to get these basics.
@@Michael-ko8ufMy Heimdallr will age just fine.
I'm looking to add this to my collection but for me that crystal is a turn-off.. I detest date magnifiers on any watch. This would be so much better with a domed sapphire crystal.
Dude! Thank you! Have been eyeing this watch, as well as others (with a $500 price point in mind), for about a week… looks like I’ll keep my eyes open
After over 500 or so dive watches this baby is da bomb ! Love mine
Couldn't agree more mate! My best guessing is Seiko see their sub-500-$ watches as entry drug. They figure they would sell enough of their more expensive models if their cheaper models already had decent specs like sapphire crystal and milled clasp elements. But once you spend more than a certain amount Seiko watches can be amazing.
Of that there's no doubt, bud. I had a King Samurai a year or so ago that I loved... But it was still misaligned, and that cost me nearly £550. And I think I remember Jody at JOMW getting a Seiko for about a grand that was STILL misaligned. Now, for that, I'd be livid. But I don't want to spend Grand Seiko money for something as basic as an aligned bezel. Maybe something more simple and dressy (like a Cocktail model) might be an easier sell to someone like me. But then again, Hardlex... 🤣
Thank you for pointing some important details. I hope Seiko Inc. see your indipendent review and likes of it and make their conclusions. I just changed my mind having that watch.
I bought one exactly like that, but i like it, i love the all metal look,
I got a Monster...the original orange moster for $200 approx. It was quite a fair price. $500? 🙄. With that being said, I got a Prospex Samurai Dark Manta for less than $500. Sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel..simply beautiful. I think it is a lot of watch for $.
I used to have that very watch. Paired with the Strapcode Hexad bracelet it's absolutely fantastic. It was slightly misaligned, though...
@@LumePip Yes. Mine has a small misalignment as well.
Nice I managed to snag king samurai padi edition at Macy’s one day sale 327 otd
Seems you can either have a something that shatters or something that scratches. Polywatch does not seem to work that well with hardlex though.
If you are going to quote me in your videos I want a slice of the action. How about you send me the watch? ;)
I think the pedantic, precious side of me needs that scratch-free crystal! And I am getting myself another Seiko soon... All will be revealed in due course. 😅 And I'll try and limit any and all quoting so as not to incur royalty fees haha.
This watch is in Prospex price country so indeed it doesn't make sense or value ! Better to buy that or buy a SKX779 which officially limited to orange or black at around £300 is better value for money. Cheaper still if you get with the rubber dive strap
Seiko snk809 black field watch, sna411 flightmaster, and this because it's a diver and i love penguins. Thinking about a gmt
I'm partial to seiko 7S26-0020 models... I had 2 batman split blue/black dials that I sold and regret
A bit of a harsh review...even though I tend to agree (generally) with your points. Full discloser: I have three Seiko Monsters (including the model featured in this review) and I have two Heimdallr "monsters" as well (an orange dial and a really cool green dial). While it's true, spec-wise, these homage watches (fake-o's) are superior to the real deals (again, by specs) and the prices are WAY cheapter, I must confess that the sum of the parts doesn't necessarily trump the whole, if that makes sense. In other words, I'd rather have the real thing, short comings or not. The finishing on the real Seikos I've found to be superior and then there's the grating, nagging little voice that bugs my horological OCD: you're wearing a fake!
That's a really good point, mate - no doubt, there's a magic to certain brands and pieces, and that goes for this too. I think sometimes when you're trying to review stuff, it can be difficult not to let it boil down to hard facts, but then something will happen when those facts come into play. In this case, the Hardlex got scratched and I wasn't even sure how, and I think that's something that would really annoy me (and it did!). Seiko perhaps are riding the wave of goodwill because their watches have that certain magic that their history and designs hve afforded them, but that'll only go so far. If they could have better QC (alignment issues, etc) and ramp up specs the way they've ramped up prices, it'd be better for us all :)
If your winter coat/jacket has a metal button or snap on the sleeve, you will scratch the candy bar magnifier. I know from experience, that said my Gen 1 Monster looks great after all of these years. I can live with the bracelet clasp, bothers me not at all.
Seiko is awesome! Because of your video I am buying a modern PADI Monster SRPE27 🙌💪
I totally agree that hardlex at this price range is an outrageous decision. Seiko sure makes some weird decisions these days. It makes all these limited editions at ridiculous prices solely for boosting sales. Yes, FOMO is a thing. I salute you for giving your unpopular opinion but you made some excellent points
Lovely work as usual :)
I have this watch and I love it. No regrets whatsoever.
If you buy the Seiko, only what you pay for is a different case design. Movement is mostly the same with some examples but is still same. So if you like Monster design, is only someone choice. I got Monster, Samurai, Presage, and 5. Every one is different and I like it, someone else doesn't need like it. if you don't like this type of crystal, is easy to replace with Sapphire - flat or not. Can't see the sense of this video.
I just bought the Padi version hmm
Happiness is seeing lume pip has uploaded
What does it weigh?
~186 gram
to be fair, on the dust thing, just because your cheaper watches dont have qc issues, doesnt mean the rest of their production dont have one.
i like the bracelet. got 70s feel to it. but the extension is horrible. even worse that you cant remove them.
I get that, but I can only review the watches in front of me and each, at least for the sake of review, is representative of the batch. There will definitely be some of those cheaper watches with QC issues, too, like you say, and no doubt watches more expensive than this will have some, too! I think a lot of people have jumped on this video thinking I'm a hater of Seiko, but I've got plenty of positive Seiko reviews, too 😅 And I have another watch at the moment with that horrible extension and I can't even
Good vid, good humor, good review. Sub++
Hi. Thank you very much for good review. I had new monster and I sold after one week. I agree 💯 it's not worth it. The watch feeling cheap and is uncomfortable on the arm because of the quality of bransolet. My advice don't buy it because not worth it! Stay safe.
I wonder how much of this money goes for the saving the ocean stuff.
I hope more than other manufacturers spend on it.
The review is spot on, I've often been tempted by a Samura but the ongoing qc issues and the price deter me. I have Citizens that have been half the price better qc and blow the Seikos literally out of the water. I'd like to buy a Seiko but I will not pay through the nose for sub standard procedure.
You can never go wrong with Citizen, and I have a vid that I have a speed problem on this Seiko in my account. (edit: already change the calibre, as it is till in the warranty time)
The only reason I bought this one is that it makes fine dress watch, but if I have to get through hard stuff, my Promaster Eco-Drive Chronograph is always the choice.
I had exactly this watch, the numbers on bezels faded in just 2 months, so dissapointing
More. More. Honesty is the best policy! Thanks!
Thanks for the honest review
I totally agree. I have a 1st gen I paid $160 for. At these prices I don't believe they're worth it and their qc issues just scream laziness and arrogance. This has really shied me away from purchasing a Grand Seiko.
I think people should buy a citizen promaster!!!!!!
I’ve had two and they’ve had the worst QC on any watches I’ve bought 🤷♂️
Funnily enough, I have a Citizen in the queue to review... 😬
Little rough...
Never pay full price for Seiko.
Who buys a Monster and doesn't live in Thailand?
Gorgeous Watch, i still love mine!
All reasonable points.
He’s right.
Heimdallr Sharkey Ocean Monster homage - got your sapphire crystal, all works, looks good AND has a Seiko movement, so Seiko must approve and for a fraction of the cost ;) . I bought the orange whilst wishing I'd bought the red 'cos that is just several levels bad-asserer!! - Do love the orange though 😍
The beauty of those, though, is that you could get the red AND the orange for likely less than one of the Seikos... 🤔😏
Excellent review Mr P....interesting, it's the one watch that I would seriously consider going to AliE for, Heimdallr or Seestern are making this the way it should be (all spec shortfalls addressed and the same movement), for a fraction of the price...it's hard to reconcile
Thanks, Stuart! OMG, Seestern are absolutely amazing for the price. I'm unapologetically a big Seestern fan. I think I'll have another one in for review soon, too. I haven't tried Heimdallr (the lack of a vowel in the suffix of the name is perturbing... 😅) but will have to get one in for review. Maybe that NTTD homage in titanium. I think a lot of other buyers have already cottoned on, hence the blow up in channels covering Ali watches over the last couple of years.
Well it’s a nice Opinion. And you are entitled to it
It's a tool watch that looks best with some battle scars...like a Lexus GX460...ya it's an upscale SUV, but it's meant to be seriously off-roaded. It's a Seiko, it's meant to be abused and keep on ticking for years and years, it's not an investment and I never expect to see my money back. Besides, I can't see the lint on the dial...I'm old.
I really like mine.
9:01 Whoa whoa whoaaa.....I think you're making a bit of an understatement there.
I think the previous Gen's get away with the bracelet shortcomings because of the time of production. They will become iconic, this Gen' four has missed the boat. Good video subscribed. 😊
I have the 4th gen blue dial black bezel. The bracelet had to come right off straight away, not because of the reasons stated in this video, but because the clasp is too long and hard to balance out. Pressed steel clasps (when was the last time you broke one of those) are my preference over that heavy thick, and unnecessary milled s**t. Dirt under the crystal, that would send me nuts. Seiko is so behind in QC, I don't understand how that can get so bad. They need to sort that right out. Sapphire is weaker than hardlex and that's a well know fact, remember this is a dive watch where dependability is paramount. I do appreciate sapphire on my dress watches though. Rubber strap installed right away, (needed it for my diving anyway) and that rubbish bracelet never saw daylight.
"Pressed steel clasps (when was the last time you broke one of those) are my preference over that heavy thick, and unnecessary milled s**t."
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Honest review. Didn’t seem like a hater at all. Having said that, if I could downvote this video twice, I would.
😂I'm not a hater though - I think I've got like three other videos about Seiko watches I really like! It's subjective, obviously
Just bought the brand new JDM version (SBDY115) for 400 CAD (
Just seen it in store. Amazing in flesh.
The dial really is spectacular. The old adage about Seiko doing the best dials at the price is true, to be fair 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@LumePip Its really interesting. Something different from all the Submariner clones, and works well for the small Wrists too. I dont know how this guy managed to get it so dirty but it looks stunning live.
It needs a 6R movement
Compare the NEWER MONSTER to the OLDER SKX779
The Original MONSTER STILL outshines anything today
I have this watch and this guys gripes are ridiculous. It’s a great, beautiful, well functioning watch.
I also had this watch when I made the review. Your opinion's valid and so is mine :)
Why does the date window has a huge lense please dont copy rolex
Totally understand mate,I've been very,very lucky but you look at these Chinese brand's now and I worry they've lost their way, profit over quality 😩
That's definitely a danger, for sure - and the more they sell, the more they produce, and the more suseptible their QC is to issues. That said, it' a cheaper risk to take in most cases. Maybe the next step for these Chinese Ali brands is regulating movements. Then some of these cheaper models (like those fitted with basic Miyota calibres) would still offer a value factor. 🤷♂️
@@LumePip well said, some of those AliExpress watches including San Martin and Cronos are really good and if they were regulated properly ,you would have to think carefully about whether that Seiko on the dial is worth your hard earned cash 😬
Couldn't agree with you more. They are driving people down the road of getting the exact same looking looking watch with twice/3 times the specs for less than half the price. And better quality control.
Wake up seiko, cuz ur getting laughed at.!
Shame to hear this because this is my favourite gen 4 Monster.
I have a SRPH75 with the penguin dial. I agree that it’s not worth anything like $525 MSRP, but I paid less than half that for a like-new used example. Agree that the diver’s extension is terrible and the clasp is underwhelming, but otherwise I really enjoy wearing it. The dial is spectacular.
Just paid $250 for one
OMG THE COLDPLAY REFERENCE ON SEIKO hahaha yesss HE SAID IT.
I've owned many watches during my long lifetime including several Rolexes. The Seiko Save The Ocean Monster is the best watch I have ever owned.
Seiko is King...still
Seiko is definitely king. The volume of sales speak for themselves never mind the heaps of generic movements they sell to other brands.
Agree!
Why did you buy it id you didn't want it?
I didn't know I wouldn't want it. The dial looks incredible, and there's no doubt with better build quality, it'd be a much more appealing proposition. I also have to sometimes review watches negatively, if I don't have a good experience with them, for example. If you like Seiko and their offerings, then more power to you. If we all liked the same thing etc etc etc