2017 Ford F250 Gas vs Diesel - Which one do you REALLY need?
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Is the 2017 F250 6.7L Diesel worth the $8,795 upgrade? Do you REALLY need the 6.7L powerstroke diesel? This video goes over everything you need to know between the Ford Super Duty Gas engine vs Diesel engine! Leave your questions below...
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I got the diesel because I wanted it, not because I needed it. Sweetest truck I've ever driven. Payment sucks. Maintenance costs suck. Still cheaper than a trophy wife.
Radical Renegade compensating....
Linh Nguyen I have Corvette for that.
I like your thinking. Lol.
See you at 500k miles. 👍
Probably cheaper than an ex wife too.
Radical Renegade i have the 2018 gas 250 and am not disappointed with performance alot cheaper and gets the job done id like to call myself humble but driving this beast of a truck who am I kidding
One topic that wasnt mentioned were issues dealing with relatively light use of the truck. In addition to the increased expense of oil changes and fuel filters on the diesel, there's also maintenance required on the EGR system because of soot. Additionally, light use/stop and go/daily driver use of the diesel will cause problems with the diesel particulate filter, which basically operates like a self cleaning oven requiring very high temperatures. If the temperatures don't get high enough, the filter starts to get clogged and has to do a regen mode. Bottom line, if you are not doing heavy towing and extended high speed use, you could have problems.
Now THIS is the info I was really seeking! Thank you very much!
Simple solution “Delete it”🤷🏽♂️ Find a shop that does it the right way and all your issues stop. I drive a Volvo semi truck for a living, I had every issue you listed plus more between def,egr,dpf,doser value you name it! Has all that deleted and capped in December 2020 for $2500 after putting in over $13,000 to try and fix everything the right way. I’ve had not a single issue since deleting. My brother drives a Peterbilt and an F250 diesel, same issues, deleted both several years ago, no more problems! That emissions system is a money pit! By the way we are in Texas and we only run in states that don’t require having that so that makes a difference.
@@gogitr8904 LOL FEDERAL law requires it bud
@@randyschmidt19 Yeah we all know that bud🤷🏽♂️
@@gogitr8904 so why are you talking about running in States that don't require having it. ALL 50 STATES REQUIRE IT. come back with a snarky reply when you are wrong lol 🤷
Ive been running F-2,3, and 450's for 20 years, and hard. Most reliable truck in the oil patch. They have all been diesels.
I picked up a 2018 6.2L F250 FX4 last weekend and added the 6 yrs/100,000 mile warranty for $40 more a month...covers everything...well worth it. Truck is amazing so far after going from F150's.
Great video! I drive a 2017 F250 Lariat FX4 with the 6.2 gasser and LOVE my truck. Occasional 30' travel trailer towing, and a daily driver. I truly believe that the vast majority paying $9,000.00 for the diesel option are throwing their money away.
Just purchased a 2012 V8 6.2 gas with 3:73 gears.
A DREAM to work on. Change spark plugs, oil, just about anything this truck is made for the weekend mechanic. Everything is doable albeit takes time (2-4 hours for spark plugs) but it'll save you a lot of money over taking it to a dealership if you had a diesel.
Don't forget to oil the zerk fittings underneath the truck! A lot of people forget that part.
Anyway, 15 mpg on the freeway empty with an occasional towing of my 7,000 lb trailer couple times a year.
Awesome truck.
@@rxonmymind8362 Take Kratom. Thank you for sharing your story. Very helpful.
I appreciate very much that you don't sound like the typical Ford salesman trying to shake out every last penny from the customers. You're actually giving us an honest side by side comparison. Last year, I purchased a 2016 F350, DRW, RWD, 6.2 gas, 3.73. The purpose it serves is hauling a 5000 pound truck camper for 4-7 days per month. If I ever pull a trailer, it will either be a U-Haul or a boat. So while I needed the dually package for heavy payload, my combined weight is low. MPG isn't much of a factor for me because I only drive it about 3000 miles per year. Having the weight of the camper and no off-roading, I have no need for 4wd. I also appreciate seeing extra room under the hood, (unlike diesel where it's too crowded). But most of all, as a truck driver, my decision to go with the 6.2 comes from exhaust filter problems I've seen with some of the trucks I've driven. My only regret is the 3.73 rear end.
why do you regret the 3.73 rear end you only drive 3k a year?
I've had both a 2016 f350 dually and a 2018 f250 gas both were superdutys. and I would definitely buy another (gas) one. To much maintenance on the diesel and I hated adding that deff fuel.
I purchased a f250 gas and was stuck between getting a gas or diesel. I eventually picked gas and have been absolutely enjoying the performance. The points you pointed out is very true. If you don't have a purpose as to the power and needing it as to towing capicity, the gas will do the job. Besides the up keep as to cost is really a pocket breaker. Be Ready for High Cost with diesiel. Good Informative Video and Pointers.
Thanks for the info dude, I wanted a diesel cause getting an f250 w gas engine is like getting a mustang with a 6 engine but you hit some good points in your vid and I think a gas f250 is perfect for me
I work for Ford motor company at a local dealership. If I were to buy a super duty, I would get the 6.2 gas engine. Much cheaper to buy, and much cheaper to maintain. Fuel milage difference isn't much of a factor. The super duty trucks we work on, most of the gas trucks average 15, and most the diesel trucks average 16. If you are towing heavy every weekend, or daily, get the diesel, it is going to tow better. If you are towing heavy once or twice a month or less, get the gas engine. On the other hand if you need or want a truck and are towing once or twice a month or less, and it isn't that heavy, get an F-150 5.0, which is going to ride better than a super duty and get better milage, and will most likely be able to tow what most average consumers need to tow.
or better yet get a silverado 1500 and not be stuck on the side of the road
I just test drove an F250 Gas and an F350 diesel both crew cab short bed Lariat models. Drove the F350 first and was impressed on how quiet it was. Up and down hills on the road was effortless and pickup from dead stop was not sluggish at all. When I drove the F250 on the same hills I needed more pedal and it seemed the truck down shifted more to handle the pull. I'm sure the gas would have no problem handling this truck but I felt it would burn through MUCH more gas than the diesel. It comes at a price BUT to me the diesel felt like the better fit.
Diesels are like motorcycles....don't bother getting one unless you plan on doing the work Yourself, cause it's expensive.
My 6.7 cost 109 oil change and i do it every 7-10k miles depending on how much HWY and Towing I did. Also Fuel Filters need to be changed every 15k miles. Put a K&N air filter. I just drove from Alvin Tx with 1001 lbs of chemical in the truck bed. I have a Fx4 F350 4 door. 2nd Gen 6.7 w/upgraded 440hp engine (bigger turbo) I believe i have 35 gallon diesel tank. I reset trip/mileage and began. I did whatever the speed limit was and on cruise. I live on cruise control. I made it all the way to Tallahassee Florida with no fuel low warning. I had 89 miles to empty. It was 730 miles fuel station to fuel station. hit baton rouge bridge traffic and nola bridge traffic and that was it. I got 23 miles per gallon and it said i used 32 or 33 gallons. Im just highly impressed with how much bang i get. My buddy was following except hes 21yrs old and doesnt think cruise control actually helps. He has to fuel up in Pensacola. Iwould pick the Diesel over Gas any day. If you arent a tower then go F250. F350 suspension is tougher for more load. Speed wise. You did 0-60 which isnt fair for trucks that are Heavy AF. Mine goes from 55 to 99 faster then you can say just the tip. You flat out fly and I smoke all these little 6.0 egr deletes. they may catch me over a 100 since it cuts me off but thats not why they spent all that money . Go 6.7 Diesel anyday of the week. The DEF isnt that much of an annoyance. You get alerts when 500miles left and can run reports. Best Truck Ive ever owned. its my 3rd ford diesel and by far the best
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Recently was dealing with the same questions all across-the-board.
I was starting off with a 2016 F150 with a 3.5 L TwinTurbo motor. Wow only halfway through my line I was already in the 90,000 mile range.
I thought it best that I tell a trailer every once in a while to upgrade to a larger truck and for the sake that I just love the stance of the F250.
Nevertheless with discounts and rebates in a great dealership I was able to get my payments down within $100 of my original payment for twice the truck and a 2019 F250 6.2 L V8.
I will say I am overwhelmed with how much I love this truck.. I took a lot of grief for my selection and felt like everybody slam me for not going with a diesel but I would say to everyone else it’s easier to spend someone else’s money and at the end of the day I am not dragging a skid loader or farm equipment I drive this thing around like it’s my mobile office and when it comes to gas that’s one of my biggest expenses so at this point I’ll stick with my selection and I am very pleased!
I have the 6.2L gas and for towing my 8,800 lbs trailer in does very well. I'm getting about 21 mpg highway solo and 12 mpg towing.
Here's my thoughts, the 6.2l has been a very reliable engine, some hot shot drivers have half a million miles on them, with nothing more than basic maintenance and following Fords recommended service. The 6.7L has some quirks with the DEF heaters going out and that's about it. 11-12 had turbo bearing issues, but that was resolved. You can get 15mpg worth the 6.2 but you can get 20mpg with the 6.7 both empty.
Great video, I would never use a diesel to it’s full potential. 6.2 gas all the way
after 4 diesels best I can say is have 12G in your pocket at all times and at least 3 buddy's with winches on there trailer! get the 6.2 with 4.30s and if you really over 16,500 get a peterbilt
u ain't shit'n there Moody, getrdone rt!
I was thinking the same thing, PETERBILT
Exactly right
Why? They break down a lot?
Agreed. After owning a '12 6.7 Powerstroke got a '17 6.2 gasser and not looking back. Cheaper Maintenace, reliable and pulls what I need just fine.
Just as appoint of reference, the powertrain warranty on the 6.7 is 5 yr, 60,000 miles. Only the engine itself is 5 yr/ 100,000 miles.
Really impressed with MPG on the diesel vs the gas.
For me the gas engines do the job. Even my current 1998 f150 that's getting 13 mpg but I will be getting a diesel for my next truck even though I don't need it
Great Video! My brother just ordered an F250 6.2 Gas. He made the decision based upon how he will use the truck and what he tows 8K max. He has 2005 F150 now that does the job, but always wanted a 250. Anyway, just about everybody that he knows have second guessed him telling him that he will regret the decision. It seems to me that many people who opt for diesel don't do their research or believe that a Super Duty is not really a Super Duty unless it is diesel.
Every friend of mine that went to Diesel absolutely LOVE it and would never go back to a gas.
Kenneth Southard I have a 2017 F250 gasser and we towed our 6500 lb camper from Kansas City to south central Colorado and back and the truck preformed flawlessly. We pulled up a long grade near Wolf Creek and we slowed down to 55 but there were still big 5th wheels behind diesels struggling too. Love the truck and it does great in the Midwest. If I lived near the Rockies and towed more, I’d go diesel but this gasser is perfect for my application.
My dad has both a 1995 F-350 5.8 and a 2015 F-150 5.0. While his F-350 is a rust bucket now, when it was his daily driver it did everything he needed it to. Pulled his boat, hauled firewood, plowed snow more than anything in recent years, and hauled many car parts. His F-150, while it is only his weekend cruiser since he dailies a 2000 Tahoe. However, it gets decent fuel economy for a full-size crew cab pickup. We have hauled occasional heavy loads in the bed and pulled his boat once, did just fine.
These modern trucks have reached the engineering level where the tires are the limiting factor in what you can tow. A 5th wheel puts a solid 20% of the trailer weight min almost squarely over the rear axle. A conventional trailer with weight distribution gear will put 12-15% of the trailer weight on the truck, and a decent portion will transfer to the front axle. That's why you are starting to see higher weight ratings for pulling conventional trailers vs. 5th wheels.
What IS a 5th wheel?
@@caratcranker5874 that is where the pin of lets say a horse trailer hooks into. On a big rig hauling 80,000 lbs, the 5th wheel is a part of the tractor frame and we back our tractor into our trailers that are equipped with rugged pins that we pull the trailer from.
For me it would depend on what I needed the truck for. If I'm consistently towing over 10-12k lbs on a regular basis, then give me the diesel. If I'm just looking for some flashy lifted 4x4 to ride around in, then a gas engine will do everything I need. Same as if I'm buying an F-250 to use for plowing snow; the 6.2 is more than capable for most peoples' needs and is a very good engine. A 6.2 will tow 8-10,000 lbs all day long, and do it on regular 87 octane. Anything more than that, consider the 6.7 diesel. I know a couple guys that have the 6.2 and none of them are sorry they bought it!
Very nice review young man. I too was considering the Diesel but you made a terrific point of cost of service and turbo maintenance and also the additional cost of the Diesel engine changed my mind to go with Gas engine. Thank you. Great review. Keep it going.
Thank you for emphasizing mpg on both. I know this video is older but I just saw it now since I’m looking for this type of info on the f250. How bout doing one on the 2020-2021 and include the 7.3 gas truck in the mix.
I have multiple 6.2L trucks and multiple 6.7L trucks. If you don't tow almost every day with the 6.7L plan on putting new exhaust and egr cooler at 150k miles or delete it. If you tow with the 6.2 every day you will replace the transmission at 150k miles. I have had 5 of each and never had an engine come apart on either. 99% of people that buy diesels don't need them. They just make them more expensive for the guys like me that actually do need them.
500 extra lbs of torque?
Milan Siroky the extra 500 lb ft of torque is never really needed unless you're towing 30,000 pounds up a steep grade. Gas is good for pretty much everything.
A gas motor shifts constantly when towing the diesel...not so much. Probably easier on the transmission when it can pull the load with minimal gear changes.
I'm a roofing/siding contractor in the UP of Michigan (hills not big mountains) I tow a dump trailer usually weighing between 10-12k on a weekly basis up a series of hills and I can barely keep it at 50 mph with the pedal to the metal, I have an 04 f250 with the v10 gas. I am looking to upgrade to a diesel.
Really appreciate your honesty and objectivity with your presentations: the Dealership you work at is very lucky to have you on staff! RnMT
I love my 6.7 diesel and I'll love it even more when I do a delete.
@Big Truck Big RV made a good point regarding the F150 vs the F250. If you're actually planning on towing heavy weight (over 10k) the extra mass, and heavier suspension of the 3/4 ton will make the trailer more controllable.
Whitefeather008 if you upgrade your f150 tires to 10 ply you will be amazed at how much better it will hand loads. I have a 2000 F150 and an 05 F250. f250 comes standard with 10 ply. after upgrading my f150 to 10 ply it hauls my loaded dump Trailer about the same as my f250 when loaded correctly. just doesn't have the get up and go the f250 has
My 5th wheel is 14500 lbs and my 6.2 F350 srw pulls it like a champ! I had a dually 6.7 cummins years ago and its just not necessary imo.
Importance of Balancing loads when towing, how engine brakes, electric brake assists work, turning safely - depending on truck/trailer length turn radius and how to practice and get to know your rig setup before hitting the road, importance if tire ratings and tire pressures and Temps when towing.... Thank you for helping us to understand the differences and things to know before shopping. A recommendation about keeping payloads to 80% of max just to be safe (also need to make sure your tow vehicle can Stop the weight it is pulling). Be Safe and have fun if you can! Peace.
Great video, looking at upgrading my F-150 and asking this exact question, do I need the diesel? Thanks for the informative video with data and facts!
In 15-20 years, when my 2002 7.3 starts to wear out, I'll get a 2017+ 6.7l.
Heavy towing, lot's of miles get the diesel, lower lb. towing, less miles get the gas.
great video. well done. I am for the gas version, due to costs and do not need the higher towing capacity. thanks
Really? That video covered everything we need to know between Ford Super Duty Gas and Diesel engine? I hope the people choosing gas for towing and hauling enjoy listening to the transmission searching for the proper gear and the sound of the engine scream while turning the high RPMs in the mountains. I've been there and done that with a Triton V-10. If I was trying to save money I wouldn't of purchased a fifth wheel and another truck. Here's a thought, the BEST truck for a person in Florida isn't going to be the BEST truck for the person who climbs the Colorado Rockies.
I have a 2015 F-350 Crew Cab, Diesel Dually, 6.7liter, twin turbo, 4:10 rear with an 8' bed. My truck has power whenever you need it and does around 13 - 14 mpg while being a quick accelerator at the same time. I wish the interior had less plastic but other than that the Ford is the best hands down. Dodge is right there with the Ford also. Excellent job. Thanks for the video. Great job. Good luck and God bless.
amazing that the old 7.3 and Cummins 5.9s are still the most reliable diesels available
If the 5.9L Cummins is so great then, why are people trading in their old trucks for the newer Ram 6.7L Cummins?
Brett McCormack you are the tipical dumb Ford fain boi. An ignorant fucker like you
Thank the EPA
@@brettmack Don't you mean the Ram truck will fall apart around the 5.9 diesel engine?
@@brettmack Just playing along with the thread... Dodge trucks have a reputation for being crap, while the Cummins diesel has a great reputation, hence saying thre truck will fall apart around the 5.9.
A friend of mine solved this debate for me... the answer is nobody. He traded his F350 diesel for the gas model. Hauling cars and various hotshot loads at 30,000lbs+... his operating costs dropped waaaaaay down, without any noticeable drop in productivity. The only drawback was slightly less speed on the hills, but his bottom line still had him smiling. Cheaper fuel, cheaper maintenance, no DEF, lighter front axle load, less noise, cheaper to replace, cheaper insurance, and more fuel options (from E85 through 98 octane, where available).
The diesel engine is not a "need"... it's a want. If you think you absolutely must have the fastest truck under 30k lbs load, go to a Chevy dealer and buy a Duramax. If you want dependability with near equal productivity and lower operating costs, buy the gas model.
I'm debating and researching on what to buy and your answer was what I was hoping for. Your operating will be lower but your operating speeds will be lower if thats OK. Do you know your friends cost for each and for what time frame?
Thanks for the comparison. today (3/10/17) where I live, to break even on the diesel added costs you would have to drive it more than 220 k miles. these costs are for fuel, oil changes, fuel filters, and DEF (mild driving). A lead foot or towing heavy loads will up this miles to break even. Reliability is another variable that is too iffy to crunch.
I only purchased a super duty for the look of them and I pull a horse trailer once in a blue moon nothing my f150 couldn’t handle I really like the 6.2 has plenty of power 190k and it runs good
it doesnt matter what i need its what i want diesel diesel diesel diesel :D
Most people don't buy diesels because they're worried about towing they buy a diesel so they can get it tuned so it'll sound badass and blow smoke everywhere😂😂
Gotta compensate somehow. Dont forget buying a loaded out trim level truck and having it repossessed 3 months later because they cant afford the payments
What payments? Some pay 💰 and titles in hand.
@@latauruswilliams4065
Mistake. Take the discounts, cash back rebates wait the next day THEN pay it off. You are "leaving" money on the table if you go in paying cash.
@Dylan Smith yeah because you see way more diesel mall crawlers than you do normal trucks. Right...
I call it the "meathead meter." The louder it is and the more black smoke it blows, the dumber the meathead behind the wheel.
I've been driving F250 2wheel drive gas burners (6.2 L) since 2005. They get 15mpg overall, up to 18 highway, 11 if you tow an enclosed 6x14 trailer.
I’d like to see you guys do some tow information on the F-150. Talk about what upgrades would make it a safer tow vehicle. For example, I put a leveling kit on my 2018 F-150, upgraded the front shocks and put on 5000 lb air bags by Airlift. I plan to upgrade the rear shocks as well. I pull a 6500 lb (dry) trailer and it does great.
I was surprised about the gas mileage of the gas engine
The mpg will increase after break-in.
I bought the gas 2016 F-250 XL 2 weeks ago. I just wanted a basic truck for camping, hunting, various outdoor activities, and lite towing from time to time. I didn't a fancy luxury truck. My only requirements were that it had 4x4, an 8' bed, cruise control, and an automatic (the wifey hates a standard). I thought of getting the diesel, but I simply couldn't justify spending an extra $9K for an engine. I'm happy with my purchase, although I miss the gas mileage of my Subaru.
Kristopher Williams they don't come with standard no more goober
I'd get the standard gas model and save the $8,000 for fuel, insurance, tires etc.
dam4274 when u go to sell it though u will get that 8k back out of it
gay!
your name...lol
zach hogrefe, LOL, people think the 8k they spend just disappears into thin air when you buy. People that say that really con't understand the value and you "get what you pay for." Good luck selling that gas truck vs a diesel. Dollar for dollar, diesel will always get your value back and then some.
That is not true. Diesel resale is higher of course but it is also more expensive on the front end. It depreciates at about 50% over 10 years as opposed to gas which ends up depreciating about 30% over 10 years. So you can see you recoup more of your investment on the gas. You can verify this by looking at the Kelly Blue book value of gas vs diesel trucks 8-10 years old.
Pulling a 30ft. featherlite cattle trailer, with GVW of around 36,000, diesel all the way. By the way, my rear end gear is a 3:70. A 2011 350, dually, more than enough power. It was only $35,500 back then, I did get the 4 outside chrome wheels, spray in bed liner, with a 5th wheel hitch included. Other wise no cab options, vinyl seats. Regular cab. Had one injector go bad on it, it was still under warrantee, but $100 deductible. They are $507 each, + install. I think what happened with it, they over tightened metal bracket that holds it in the engine, because that was broke when they got to it. It didn't blow out of the engine, it was vibrating a little. Recently had one of the back disk brake rotors break, it crushed together, the cooling gap, was able to continue to drive home & about, it did make some disturbing bang sounds when it finally settled down. Other wise no damage to the caliper or pads, which were new a couple months prior.
Love both of our 6.2L Superduties. We have 2012's. One at 80K and one at 60K Miles. Nothing but gas tires and oil.
That 6.2 Gas is a reliable motor I know of one in an E250 van with 560,000 miles on it they have only changed the plugs and coil packs once and had to replace one oxygen sensor in all those miles. running Mobile full synthetic oil changing it every 5000 miles.
and the F450 at 32,500 pounds of towing. very impressive.
Great Info! only thing that could make it better is Tow 10,000 Lbs Trailer behind each of them, I know the gas engine will be shifting quite a bit more than the diesel.
Great video. I have a 2016 diesel 250. No I don't need it but it makes a statement. I'm the boss and I'm successful is what it says to customers when I roll up. First impressions are everything and this does it very well. If I can get some solid facts that the 2017 gets better mileage than the 16 then I'll buy a new one.
Does anyone else know the answer to that? Right now I'm at 14-16 with no trailer.
I'd love to hear from anyone that bought one already.
Keep up the good work!
Also, you can idle a 6.2L all day with the ac on in Louisiana in August, and it's just as cool as Drew Brees on a Sunday in December.
The 1/2 ton trucks don’t push snow as well here in New England, I like the overall cost of ownership with the gas
Having both gas and diesel at work. And having a f150 (personal truck) now, I’m getting a f250 6.7 because 1 they get better mileage, 2 I like to tow at 80 not 70, 3 I’m only getting the bigger truck to tow with. While the new trailer with 4 horses in it will only weigh in at 16000-17000lb. Fully loaded and a gasser could pull it. The costs of +9k up front and higher maintenance costs are still lower than cost of gas and transmissions, and wearing out your engine at 5000rpms while pulling the hills or fighting head winds in the mid west.
Oh, boy. Before I bought my diesel, I spent roughly a year researching and comparing the pros and cons of diesel vs gas engines to make sure that I was spending my money wisely.
As far as power and economy, you're simply not going get the level of power and efficiency from a gas engine that diesel engine does. That's simply the nature of the two systems. I agree, the EGR systems in new diesels are a bane on their existence, but EGR deletes are as common as anything.
Also, with the added weight of a diesel engine comes durability and longevity. These engines are heavier because they use stronger materials to cope with the higher pressures associated with them. Where most gas engines are good for about 200k to 250k miles, a diesel engine can easily double, even triple that. And with diesel prices being so close to gas prices (around here, anyway), diesels have the clear advantage. Why else would they be making mini diesel engines for Colorado's and Ram 1500s if they weren't highly reliable, durable, and efficient (not to mention all the foreign diesel cars running around).
One of the biggest arguments against diesels are the repair and fuel costs. After researching the average cost of ownership for comparable diesel and gas vehicle, I found that you actually save anywhere from $2,000 to $7,000 on depreciation, fuel costs, insurance, maintenance and repairs for a diesel when compared to a gas alternative (period for the study was 5yrs). That means that you're better off buying a Chevy Silverado 2500HD with the 6.6 Duramax engine than a Chevy Silverado 2500HD with a 6.2 Vortec (or Ford/Dodge alternatives) - assuming you take care of your vehicle. And you'll have far better resale value for a diesel than you will for a gas pickup. Just ask any guy who owns an LBZ Duramax...
And to the folks who say, "Why do you have a diesel if you don't tow/haul anything?!" Well, apart from all the benefits that I have already listed, your argument struggles to hold water, to begin with. I see plenty of half ton and 3/4 ton gas pickups running around that never haul anything, let alone hook up to a trailer. Also, I see just as many, if not more, gas trucks jacked up and lifted as I do diesels, and they lose all that much more power when lifted. So, again, your argument is invalid.
In reality, buy whatever vehicle suits you. If you want a diesel, by all means, buy a diesel. If you want a gas truck, then buy a gas truck. They both have their benefits and downfalls. I love my fuel efficiency, durability, power, and all that, but I don't enjoy replacing injectors. It's nice to be able to hop in a gas vehicle and go, too. But I don't think I'll be going away from diesels, anytime soon.
Tyson Sorvig thank you for your input this is what I've been looking for somebody that actually has done the research and has all the pros and cons laid out in plain English so I was truly thinking about a gas but after all that certain going to get a diesel thank you
Tyson Sorvig exactly, that’s what I had discovered before made a decision to go with a diesel.
I want a "new to me" truck. I am considering a 2005 - 2007 6.0 diesel (modified to be reliable ish) or a 2005-2017 V10 or 6.2. I want something reliable but want the power and efficiency of a diesel. I want it to start when super cold and to start every day. I won't be using it for work, just hobby stuff, firewood, and maybe haul a skid steer a few times a year. What do you suggest going off what I have said?
This is the most realistic part regarding a deisel I have ever seen.
Many people argue against a diesel, few people actually sit down and do the math (or even have experience owning).
Thank you for this, refreshing to say the least!
If taken care of properly, these new gas engines will last around 400,000 miles before any major problems. Diesels will last around 600,000 miles. I work for Ford motor company, and from working on these trucks and knowing the costs differences and I don't tow heavy but once or twice a month. If I were to buy a new super duty, it would definitely be the 6.2 gas engine, hands down. In the long run most people going to buy something, drive it 150,000 to 200,000 miles and get rid of it for something new or newer and repeat. Gas is going to be way cheaper.
Give me the gas engine for 5 big reasons:
1. $10,000 less for gas
2. I can get regular gas about 50 cents a gallon cheaper than diesel fuel.
3. I'm a volunteer firefighter. When my tones drop at 18 degrees for a structure fire with possible entrapment, I'm going to do far less damage taking off cold in a gas engine.
4. No DEF in a gas job.
5. I drive a semi for a living. The last thing I want to do on my own time is listen to a diesel engine.
Lee Huff other than being a truck driver i also bought my new truck for the same reasons. My diesel did not like being cranked up and taking off without warming up to get to the fire station. Plus my 6.7 diesel only got 11.2 mpg vs. 14.3 mpg in my new 6.2 gas
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@@iambeing4328 Bet you're one of those unemployed Liberal college kids with 5 figure debt and a degree that only qualifies you to work at Subway for a living.
@@mitch9521 contractor that actually works for a living and a dollar. Dollars which are voluntarily given to me after they've done research and made an educated decision. We risk our lives DAILY 40 ft up just to get projects done. Not 4 times a decade like these goofs.
Also, don't think I didn't see the word 'volunteer' in there. That's the way it SHOULD be. So actually nothing personally against this guy.
Excellent comparison without the bias. Like you said excellently 10 years or drive it to the wheels fall off just to break even. Great video and great comparision
I've owned both gas motors and diesels in Ford Super Duties. To each their own but after trying to go the gasser route I found that I constantly had "diesel envy" It's hard to go back after experiencing the power and efficiency of a turbo diesel. As a result, my last two Fords have been 6.7 diesels. Up front cost is higher but this is recouped by the 20-30% increase in fuel efficiency (especially when towing) and the additional resale at trade in time.
Just to let you know about trade in. I just did a KBB for a 2014 F250 crew 6.5ft bed 100k average diesel trade in is $24k average trade in for same features but gas is $18k. Difference is $6k but you paid $9k for it so the diesel cost you another $3k to own for the 100k miles. So the question is did you save enough in fuel cost to cover the $3K and additional maintenance cost. But you did get more power, did you need it.
Last time I was in the US from Canada, the gas was about $3/gal and the diesel was $3.9/gal. Now, I know policy changes, but with that difference what would be the point of a diesel if you did not need the specific performance to tow? The gas unit even carries more payload, anyone can fix it and it is much quieter. Something a lot of diesel folks forget that the rest of us really don't want to listen to the growl or the exhaust brakes at least for smaller trucks where it really does not have to be there.
Got a 17 f350 6.2L I honestly like it more than diesel, super great truck
When they added the def system to it it added a lot of cost. If you are not making money with the truck. That means using it commercially. The maintenance cost will not be worth it. The break downs are crazy expensive. Once out of warranty the average person will be more than shocked
I say stick with the 6.2 Gas engine. Ford got me on one Diesel engine...they won't get me again.
Gas is #NotMyEngine
I have seen many people screw 9k to 14k over the 6.7, I had 7 service trucks and now there isn't a ford on my year because of it.
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Ford put that engine in there trucks, and they didn't stand behind it. I had one and it was the biggest financial hit of my life, and I'm 55 years old. I mean over 10g's in repairs, then they went to another Navastar engine. It's hard to go back to Ford.
culbyj i say they should release the good old 7.3, the orginal spec, for a year, I would like to see how many trucks sell then, I would buy one
If you’re a buying a 3/4 ton because you occasionally (few times a year/once a month) tow an RV, big boat, or a tractor then go with the gas. If you move stuff like that frequently (weekly/daily) then get a diesel. How long you keep a truck factors too. If you trade trucks every few years you may want to lean gas because it takes roughly 150k miles to recoup that $10-12k extra you spent for the diesel. If you’re going to keep the truck for 250k or more miles then again you may want to consider a diesel.
I have a 2003 f250 super duty with 340,000 miles running strong and low maintenance worry. Has a very small slight slip on second gear while shifting but its been like that for 2 years and still towing junk cars with it like that.
Just need to delete the DEF, EGR cooler and the restrictive exhaust system off of the diesel and put a fuel pump bypass back to the fuel filter and you got a nice diesel truck. That way the truck can really breath, no more money for the exhaust fluid and if the fuel pump fails it won't take out the fuel injectors.
1 step that will make all diesels run 100x better is remove the EPA big brother from having any say-so when it comes to truck emissions. No def, no egr, no dpf, no extra bs. Just a strait pipe with a simple muffler.
I bought my diesel because when I was looking around at used duallys, I couldn't find one I liked with the gas Motor, the one that I did look at was 6 years older, wasn't the lariet, and had more miles. Had I found this same dually with the v10 for only a few grand left I definitely would have bought it
love my diesel i got a few months ago, had to get the diesel for everything i pull.
Everything else being equal, I got a diesel for the same price as the gasser by shopping around, I have the maintenance package and the truck is under warranty. My other truck struggled to tow when I needed it and it wasn't safe for me or others. Being that I got the diesel for the same price, maintenance is covered and I have a warranty for as long as I'm paying on it, my running costs are projected at being less. I spent months researching and decided that for my needs, the F150 would not perform for me. Nothing wrong with the 6.2, but the 6.7 didn't cost me a ton extra so it was an easy choice.
You understand that worrying about a turbo, is not an expense, right? You also need to do your mileage based on towing a decent load. If you think the diesel get's better mileage now, wait until you put 7,500#'s behind it. It will still get better mileage than the gasser, which will suffer to a much greater effect.
It is not just the $9000 up front cost. You need to keep 10 to 15 grand in the bank for when the warranty runs out to fix the major disaster that is lurking under the hood. These new diesel truck with all the pollution controls on them are not more reliable than the gas versions. The 6.7 is better than the 6.4 (what I had and sold) and the 6.0, but the 6.7s are coming apart as well. If you need a diesel's pull power, then you have no choice, but if you are not dragging around 15000 pounds, get the gas. You can buy a lot of gas for 9000 bucks. I owned a 09 F250 with the 6.4 and it was easily the most expensive truck I have ever owned and nothing broke on it in the 50,000 miles I had it. But the maintenance costs were insane ! I was not dragging 15000 pounds and seeing that my future would hold a huge repair bill, I traded it for a 2015 F150 Platinum and now I get 20mpg in combined driving and with the 3.5 ecoboost you can blow of any 6.7 diesel on the road. If I ever go back to a 3/4 ton truck it will be gas all the way.
Vader1957 very good points. Deleting the emissions equipment is costly, but if done it will save you a lot of the future hazards of diesel engines.
You have to be careful with doing deletions. Here in AZ if they see smoke coming out of a newer truck they will pull you over and site check it. Carries a big fine if they catch you. Why risk it, run gas.
If you delete your truck and there is black smoke coming out, you are doing it wrong..... All the best tunes have 0 black smoke and it only occurs under full throttle heavy load conditions. I have a 1500 chevy with a 6.0 gas and a denali with a 6.6 diesel . Never had an issue. Not sure which major disaster you are talking about?
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Jeremy Nesom, Haul an equivalent load on a gas vs a diesel, and see what cost less in the long run. Ask any hauling company/RVer/delivery service. Gas engines have no where near the longevity of a diesel, and that fact is EXPONENTIAL when considering hauling. The gasoline combustion process isn't designed for that load. You think a diesel is 8-9k more because there is an elaborate scam going on? No, it is because the tolerances and engineering that goes into creating a 14:1 or 24:1 compression ratio far exceeds a gasoline 7:1 or 9:1. It isn't smart to compare to different animals, for two different tasks.
I'd rather get the diesel and wait a year or two with very diligent savings to get it than go for the gas, that said if I were to get a gas model than I'd still love it
We have the gas version and pull 15,000 lb 5th wheel and it pulls great. No need for the diesel for us.
Great feedback! Thanks
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Cool book stats, now let's here some actually important information that has experience behind it rather than reading off of a piece of paper that you can find on all the windshields
I own a 2015 F-150. It's absolutely brutal to tow with. Brutal.
I chose an 8.1 Big Block over a Duramax, and I'd do it again.
Maybe show possible addons or accessories you can put in the truck. Maybe tips in maintaining a truck like washing it. There are more topics out there. Love your guys' videos. Look forward for the upcoming ones
He also has had a 1986 F-250 with a gas motor, never got stuck, did everything he needed it to do. He does not need a diesel so he knows not to waste his money
I think that the diesel would be better for those who do a lot of highway driving and for those who tow heavy trailers. The gas burner is good for those who don't do a lot of either activity. I do a lot of driving and diesel would work better for my situation. Stop and go driving the gas engine would get the nod. The fuel mileage on the 6.7 diesel was impressive for the size of that truck. Would you like to do a video on the Super Duty as far as how long it could go on fuel and DEF?
My 2015 F 250 with the 6.7 max 5th wheel towing is 15,500 by the book. I have bagged the rear end with 5000 Firestone bags but I really like the the numbers both on the 2017 F 250 and F 350 dually with the 4:10 rear end...I really could use that .....
I have a 2013 f-350 6.7 diesel love it they need to make them sound like diesels again love mine
David Showalter you should probably delete your DPF if you want it to sound good
So you mentioned that the f250 can tow 15k pounds trailer etc. But the f150 can tow 12,200 pounds. I have a f150 with max tow package of 13,500 and that amount includes the weight of the truck. So I can only tow 7k pounds approximately. So upgrading from a f150 to a f250 just for that worth the upgrade.
towing is not effected by engine. your vehicles towing capacity is based on safest braking distance, and acceleration. your vehicle will not fail after 15'000 lbs. you will just not safely stop you vehicle in the recommended braking distance by the EPA standards.
Unless you are in a trade or a farmer and pulling heavy trailers all of the time, the F250 Diesel is a waste of capacity. I always get a kick out of the guys who buy them, jack them up (which reduces tow capacity) and then, at most, pull a ski boat. Also, they get the 4x4 with expensive wheels and never put them into lock because they don't want to scratch their truck. I have an f150 and for the 5-6 times a year I pull a trailer under 10K lbs, it is perfect.
Man, you hit the nail right on the head! I guess it just comes down to show off and what most people consider pretty, badass, sexy or whatever they want to call it. I will admit though, it's def a waste getting such a powerful truck just to jack it up to the moon and never tow anything worthwhile with it.
John Costello Per Ford the GCVW is 13,300. Only the Eco with the specific rear gears can tow the max 11,000, but that still goes past the GCWW. I tow trailers and if I saw a Ford F-150 towing a 8,000+ trailer I would avoid it. Also in all 50 states you will be at fault for an accident if you go over the GCVW. No responsible person towing would follow any advice you gave.
Josh Geurian There is a specific package with axle gears and a few other things that gets you the 17,100 lb GVWR for the F150. I did a lot of research on this before I bought my truck. What most people don't understand is that not every F150 can tow that 11,000+ or 12,000+ lbs and that those weights are only achieve able with the driver and nothing else in the truck. The same goes for the bigger trucks but it's people's lack of knowledge and just going to the dealer ship buying there favorite color truck and leaving is why people have no idea what there truck can or can't do. If your going to tow over 8,000lbs you really need to know what the truck your buy is capable of and what you need to safely tow that weight.
John Costello the farmers I know buy gas f350s
With the driver and nothing else in the truck? That's not what Ford says. truckyeah.jalopnik.com/2015-ford-f-150-can-tow-12-200-lbs-carry-an-absurd-3-3-1640231826I pull under 10K and the truck is rock-solid for that. My point exactly.
If you just want a superduty because it looks cool then get gas. If you are pulling a sled out on the highway then get Diesel
What are your thoughts on next years Super Duty 7.3L GAS 500+ HP and 500+ft-lbs Torque? What will the Payload and Tow capacity?
As of 5/13/19, Ford still has not given power and torque figures for the new 7.3, so where did you 500/500? Usually when a OEM doesn't release power figures for a new engine it means one thing only- it isn't providing the power they expected. Go to a dealer and try to buy one. Not yet released for purchase
I'm still running my 7.3L Turbo Diesel (a better diesel than the two that came after it...replaced because it didn't meet newer emission standards).
I use to pay 99 cents/Gal for Diesel, okay Diesel isn't 99 cents any more, but after 140,000 miles it's still going and the only money I've really had to put into the truck is money for ball joints, gas, oil, and tires.
I suppose most commentators here are correct to say that Diesel is now a waste of money unless the torque is needed, but just reading about over 900 lb-ft of torque makes me want one.
I would like to see a video on how to work the exhaust brake. I dont get it.
With diesel maintenance costs is double; gas 6 quarts of oil vs diesel 12 quarts, gas 1 batterie vs diesel 2 batteries, gas cost less per gallon vs diesel cost more per gallon, gas has no fuel filters vs diesel 2 fuel filters, gas has no def vs diesel needs def refilled regularly.
I certainly hope there is a fuel filter, or else that thing is going to blow quickly.
The oil change is on a 10K mile schedule instead of 3-5K miles on a gasser. Fuel filters are changed every 2-3 oil changes.Def is not filled regularly. There is increased cost in certain areas, but you are overstating the argument. The cost is incremental. The upfront cost is still the greatest cost soak, but the resale on a diesel makes up for it.
Andrew Hamilton wrong owned both for business the diesel unless it's for the purpose of towing more than 10k lbs daily the gas engine is way more of a savings.
Andrew Hamilton also pickup trucks shouldn't be anyone's idea of a investment it's a complete depreciation over time your going to lose money on both but the gasser will be more cost effective every time.
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First, all gasoline engines DO have at least one fuel filter. Second, you're only going to need to refill the DEF fluid if you TOW MORE heavy loads compared to regular, non-towing driving. Every one, much like yourself, act like regular V8s don't break down or have faulty parts on them. Every vehicle will break down and that's where your Extended Service Plan (ESP) or warranty comes into play.
I bought a 2017 gas F350 in April 2018. Around the time of my purchase , most of the used or new F150's with the longer bed, max payload package, and the max tow package were almost as expensive as a gas basic model Super Duty. Many of the F150's had the older V8 5.0 that guzzles as much gas as the V8 6.2, but delivers less power than the 6.2. Another thing a lot of people don't think about is the ergonomic and visibility advantages to having the larger tow side mirrors that are standard on the Super Duty. I have a cap on my truck and no back window to see out of, so the mirrors really help. I suppose you could put those tow mirrors aftermarket on an F150, but they may not look as good on the smaller truck.
Did he say "Gasoline 6.tooter"? Most of use gassers are driving 3.73 gears because that's what's on the lot. I'll get 4.30's when I upgrade to a 7.3 in a couple years.
I have a 2017 F350 gasser in like new condition with 50k on it. We tow our 6300lb TT 5-10 trips a year. It's great everywhere except the longer hills in PA where it struggles over 42mph with rpm's at 5k. Sounds better at 35mph. My brother tows with his 2013 diesel and his 10-11k 5th wheel and he cruises right up those hills. I am using Tow/Haul mode.
It really does what I need as long as I don't mind slowing down some on the long hills. A diesel would be over-kill and too much to pay for since we don't tow anything over 7k right now and don't drive it more than No trouble coming down the hills with the gasser.
I would prefer and will upgrade to a 7.3 with 4.3 gears eventually. I'm also curious how my truck would do with 4.3 gears. Probably the best upgrade with the most true improvement for my situation. But I'll put that $2500 toward the 7.3.
Love my '16 6.2. If your towing less than 12k, get the gasser with 4.30's. If your towing more than 12k or tow more than 8k almost daily, get a diesel. 3.73's work, but you will only see a benefit in mileage on the interstate empty, and that's if you have a base model with 17" wheels and small tires. If you get a nicer model with larger factory tires, there is 0 benefit from 3.73's and will actually get worse mileage in town.
I pull about 7-8k daily and get about 8mpg on a ecoboost… I do about 2-3 hours a day and spend about $80-100 on gas a day
Diesel or gas upgrade ?
@@RokMex either would work, especially the new 7.3 gas engine. The diesel will be more enjoyable daily if you’re up for the expense.
Ya know, so many opinions here and much appreciated. I am looking at both right now and I plan to buy a Camper Trailer, about 8,000 lbs. It is a heavy duty camper that I plan to drag to really out of the way places, but it is still only 8,000 lbs. What do you all think about this?? I have an F150 now and think that 8,000 lbs is just a little too heavy.
Hi, I do have a 2009 4.6. Never again. Trying to switch engine to gasoline, I wish I can cause diesel is a pain in the but. By the way I'm a truck driver since 1996 nothing personal against diesel just not good at all in pickup trucks. Thanks for the video pretty good.
I think this is the Century old contest of Need v. Want, and what your budget is. For me I love driving my dad's 08 F450 Lariat w a straight pipe. I'm naturally drawn to the F450 Platinum because of that, so I could keep the thing for about 20yrs if I wanted to. My daily driver is a 1996 F250 single cab gasser only 146k, still running decent but I'd go for the diesel definitely.