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I'm a soldier stationed over in Italy.. I've been planning on getting a truck (I currently own a 2002 Tahoe) which brought me to this video.. I'm from Santa Fe Texas, where I lived until I turned 19, and used to work off Holcomb over in Houston Texas.. Seeing these streets gave me such nostalgia.. Thank you so much. Definitely going to subscribe and watch more videos. I love watching you drive around my favorite place in the world. Makes me feel so excited to get back.
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I live in CO, so pretty much everywhere I tow, I'm climbing/descending. I've always had trucks, but I got my first diesel last year. I have to say there is no comparison. I haven't personally towed with a new 7.3 gasser, but I've seen videos. While the gas engines can climb the passes out here (albeit slower), it's not comfortable. High rpm trips are tiring and irritating to passengers. The diesel is just more comfortable and confident. But the biggest plus for me is the downhill control. Having the exhaust brake is a huge advantage going down mountain roads. No gas engine that I've had has given me the control that a diesel does while towing. I've spent a ton of money upgrading my gas trucks to make them tow better, with marginal results. I don't have to that with a diesel. Gas mileage is about the same, I do my own maitenance and always used diesel oil in my gassers anyway. So the cost difference for me is negligible.
I have a 2004 f250 with the 5.4 triton gas engine. Almost 180k miles. It still yanks my 20ft camper up hills no problem. Never had any issues with it. The reason I think it's done me so well for so long.... CHANGE YOUR OIL REGULARLY PEOPLE! A well maintained gas truck will last a long time.
Rob Moab - Original timing components? I have a 2004 as well, slight bit of timing noise. Good point about oil changes, every 5,000 for our engine/year.
Its all about the oil! Any folks claiming the turbos don't last: wrong oil!
The infamous "VW sludge problem" from years back? Idiots doing a $19.95 oil change instead of using the correct ($15/quart) approved oil. In a diesel, the motor oil is cooling the bearings of the turbos, including the one on the exhaust side that is glowing orange going up a hill. Cheap oil turns into goo and plugs the oil-passages, starves bearings for lubrication, and seizes engines.
(my truck has a CAT 3208, so no turbo, but I've had several turbo-diesels).
Its all about the oil. Heading out to get my A4 Quattro 2.0t changed now.
I one hundred percent agree with you. Gas motors are so easy to take care of in trucks. Minimal maintenance of you take care of it. 98 c2500 280,000 mikes and a 2011 f250 185,000 mikes. Both gas and both easy to take care of
Hey man not bashing your comment at all , but I guarantee your 5.4 pulling that trailer up mountains is downshifting , getting horrible mileage and struggling . We can agree to disagree , but I have experienced this and had both half ton gas , and diesels . The only half ton gas that really will tow descent in mountains and high elevation is the ecoboost turbos really help
I’ve owned many gas and diesel trucks my newest purchase is a 1500 HEMI which drives like a dream compared to my 2005 Powerstroke. I always tell people who ask me “only buy a diesel if you absolutely need it, and 90% don’t need it”. It’s an image thing for most people.
I own a 2017 F-250 6.7 PSD. It costs three times more for anything. I have all of my service done at my dealer. Prior to the diesel, I had a gasser. I went from around $100 for an oil change including filter and tire rotation to around $350. Every other change I need to do fuel filters as well, pushing the price to $500 or more. Diesel techs cost more if you have an issue. Granted this info is six years after your video was posted, but it is what it is.
An update to this video would be good. Fords new 7.3 l is a game changer in gasoline engine trucks. It’s a pushrod engine that makes the majority of its power in lower RPM range which makes it more than capable of towing a mid profile fifth wheel. Of course the latest generation power stroke puts out 1050 lb ft of torque which is mind blowing. It has a 0-60 time that’s as good as some sports cars. People are reporting as much as 20 mpg unloaded at highway speeds. Ford is definitely at the top of the heap for towing.
I just traded a 2014 Ecodiesel for reasons you mentioned in this video. I had several CELs over the 30,000 miles I had it but warranty took care of them. It went off warranty at 5 years though. Each "software update" to "fix" the CEL resulted in a little less fuel mileage. Out of warranty I got real nervous about the prospect of all that EPA equipment (DPF, DEF with catalytic converter, EGR) failing and me having to pay out of pocket. I really liked how it pulled and how it rode. But, at the end, it was only maybe getting 24 mpg instead of the 27-28 it got when I got it at 27000 miles. To me 24 mpg does not warrant the potential increased cost of the EPA mandated hardware if it were to fail. So I got a gas pickup instead.
I've had 2 Ford 6.7 diesels. A 2012 and a 2015, I ran both just over a 100k and pulled a 24ft aluminum stock trailer pretty regularly and never had a single problem with either one.
Here are some numbers for you on my 2017 f250 4×4 , 6.2 , 373 , crew cab , 17" tires with camper package just in case there is someone that's in the market.
Empty I'm getting 17 mpg highway.
Loaded I'm getting 9 mpg highway.
I have 2740 lbs payload.
My fifthwheel comes in at 10,000 lbs loaded down and the pin weight is 1500 lbs.
This combination is perfect for this truck because I'm 2500 lbs to the good and 1200 lbs of payload left over.
Exact weight combined is 17,000 lbs total. I highly recommend this combination to anyone looking at gas engines.
Shackles, that's awesome. It sounds like you really did your research before making your truck purchase. I was the same. I tow very little, but I often approach 3,000 lbs payload so choosing the gas engine and shaving over 800lbs off of the weight of the truck was the right choice for me. The payload capacity on my 2017 F250 6.2L King Ranch is 2,813 lbs. The payload capacity on every diesel version of the same truck that I test drove was around 2,000 lbs. I'm not knocking the Powerstrokes at all. They're great trucks but the gas engine was the right choice for my needs and I saved around $9,000.
Bad Karma Thanks I really love the truck . I ran a 2012 6.7 powerstroke and it was great up to 50,000 miles then the problems started. I don't need a diesel and knowing the great engine history on the 6.2 from our work trucks made it an easy decision for me. And the added payload like you said was a bonus. I do believe if you are above 12,000 lbs the diesel would be preferred.
Shackles - I have the EXACT same set up as you but my mpg is ROUGH (12.8 overall, 14.4hwy not towing). I only have 2600 miles on it and was told that more break in will help that. How long or miles did it take you to reach that??
Roman B
I drive like an old lady.
50 mph with cruise 18 mpg
60 mph with cruise 17 mpg
I just got the truck and put 400 miles on it the weekend.
May be you have 410s or on the throttle to much.
i get ya on the heavy foot but i have been trying to milk every mile i can by driving soft. Guess ill keep trying. Thanks and good luck
Old video but I appreciated the points made, especially the fact that a diesel has insane resale value vs. gas. My 2017 Ram 2500 Cummins, which I am currently "lightly" considering upgrading to a 2021 3500 has a trade in value right now that is higher than what I originally paid. Yes, my truck has ridiculously low miles (26L) but honestly, I never expected to see this type of resale value once I got away from Toyota (which has insane resale values on trucks but unfortunately maxes out at 1/2 ton in the US).
I bought a 99 7.3 to pull my 10,000 pound trailer, bought it with 360000 miles currently has 40000 and doing maintenance my self runs very smooth, it was worth every penny of the 7k I paid for it I love it. Being in CA I still be able to pass smog and drive it.
I am neither pro diesel or gas but I bought a RAM 2500 gas truck for the following reasons
* My truck is a daily driver. (15 minutes to work and 15 minutes home and in cold weather half of the year. )
* The gas truck cost less when you buy and worth less when you trade it.
* Gas trucks warm up quicker in cold weather
* Gas trucks are much easier to maintain than a modern diesel
* There are gas pumps everywhere
* No clogged Dpf or fuel burning regenerations
* Gas trucks have equivalent fuel mileage when not towing which is most of the time for me
* No sooted intake manifold or failed egr to repair after warranty
* Modern gas engines will go as many miles with less expensive repairs than modern diesels
* I tow a tag along travel trailer that weighs 8000 lbs. or less
I do realize that the points I have made above may or may not be 100% accurate but they are why I decided to go gas for what it is worth.
If I towed in excess of 10000 pounds every day and drove a lot more miles I would still consider a modern diesel truck.
I would also buy a modern diesel if I had a lot more money because I do like them :-)
diesel engines get much much better milage
The head winds on that camper are deadly for your mileage , Brother
I'm sorry to hear that , do you remember when diesel was $1.47 oh the
good old days.
Dassd Schsdu my Dodge 5.9 diesel gets 18mpg empty, and my gm 5.3 half ton gets 18mpg empty. Combined mileage. How much closer does it need to be?
Has nobody ever driven RAM trucks around? Gas vs diesel mpg when empty all depends on what truck you buy and RAM trucks certainly do better. Diesels do generally get better mileage empty. I can get low 20s in my 2500 diesel, and if you have an ecodiesel RAM it's easily upper 20s or 30mpg. I don't think any gas engine in a truck even comes close to that
The dodge is 2500lbs heavier. I've gotten 19mpg on a 5.3 but I was going 55mph, I did the same with a cummins and got 22mpg.
Unless you're towing serious weight in the mountains on a regular basis..gas will do you just fine.
I love diesel but with all the emissions bullshit and upfront cost with newer trucks.. It's more trouble than it's worth.
My.. 02.
SirtubalotTX I agree 100% with you.
SirtubalotTX Well said!
OK sirt you are a newbie ultra low sulfer is required in all 50 states here, countries across the globe are just figuring it out
You are right. I bothers me that I want a diesel.
Diesel or nothin
I own a fiat 500 and a 1997 7.3 dually and a Cherokee caged out on 37s. Doesn’t get better than that.
Is it an Abarth?
Can’t disagree
I am about 6 months into owning a truck for the first time in my life. I came from a 2 door jeep wrangler. I had to use a trailer all the time to run my errands. Now, I finally have a truck and I can finally get along without a freaking flat-bed trailer. It's perfect for me. I use my truck bed on almost every day off I have it seems like being a new home owner
I work on diesel engines everyday, I love them, but damn the parts are expensive, so my trucks are gas
What is your preference on brands for late model trucks? 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Thanks
That's what I've heard. They're awesome until you have to start fixing and then they wish they just bought a good ol' V8 gasser.
This is the exact reason I’m switching to gas. So many things that can fail vs gas. Turbo failure is around $5000 for starters
@@chrisreid3155 a lot of gassers with turbos out there. I had a turbo go out and extended warranty covered it 100%, all I paid was 100 dollar deductible. That would have been like 3 grand, parts and labor. That's why if I'd be getting into a diesel, especially used, I'd cover that thing with as much warranty as possible. Bumper to bumper and extended mechanical... Some dealers out there actually have awesome warranties that cover used cars way better than mfg would cover new cars, as is in my case.
@@hunkleberrymilldewbeespark3851 you’re right about a lot of gassers having turbos. Every type of engine configuration has its issues. For me, I’ve had 20 years of turbo diesels and I’m going old school this time. Gas , no turbo. I mentioned turbos and the gasser turbos are pricey as well. You just have a lot of extra stuff to break down with diesels. I had to replace a head gasket on a duramax. Can had to come off to do it! $9000 later wtf. And it only had 70,000 miles on it. Unacceptable
the modern diesel is the way to go as far as im concerned. i have a 2004 2500 ram with the 5.9 . it now has 180k on it and still runs like a top. it gets 19.5 mpg ave. and on the hwy @ 75 on trip gets 23 mpg. it has towed everything i have attempted with no issue that would include boats box trailers and RV trailers.
I decided to go gas. After I ran the numbers for my needs, from only driving it 6k miles a year, to the higher cost of initial purchade of truck and higher cost of diesel ownership, I still come out ahead. No regrets
I've owned (2) 1500 Hemi's and (1) 2500 Diesel. You forgot to mention two very important facts: 1) The 2500 Diesel has a full axle in the front and therefore has a much stiffer (bumpier) ride, very important for those who don't know, 2) You need to change your fuel filter every 15,000 miles or so. Never changed mine in my 2500, 5 years, 160K miles. Fuel injectors went and Stealer wanted $14K to replace. I ended up paying $7K plus a few more for the computer. It was worth fixing because of the residual value on the Cummins Diesel.
Dang so that’s just $21,000 in repairs alone! Ok it’s the 10,000 initial upcharge. $31,000 to have a diesel over gas?
I think this discussion should be hinged on longevity. I've had gas and diesel trucks. I've never received more that about 225,000 miles of sold use out of a gasoline truck. The engines or transmissions begin to fail - usually a nickle and dime thing at first, but ultimately, the increased RPMs cause a catastrophic failure. My last two trucks have been diesels. 445,000 out of the first one, that I gave to my son who drove it another 100.000+ miles before turning it into a mud truck. The transmission finally gave out, but after replacement - the 2004 durmax is still going! Second diesel truck is running perfectly at 155,000 miles and I've no reason to believe I won't get 400,000+ miles out of this one. Anyone who says a gasoline share the same longevity as a diesel, is not being honest. So the question should be "How long are you gonna keep your truck?" If you're a new truck guy every 2 or 3 years, buy gas, if not, buy diesel.
Sterlin Smith I don't disagree that diesels are more reliable in most situations but I think that mare comes down to the care you administer to you vehicle. I have a 2004 Ram 1500 with the 5.7l hemi it's nearly 14 years old at this point and the only thing I've had to replace this far is wheel bearing. No engine or transmission issues have ever reared their ugly heads.
You're lucky. Those years had an issue with the heads loosing their valve seats and destroying the pistons.
Those year models were also none for rear end issues. Had an 05 Daytona had to have it replaced twice and that’s with no towing
I agree, my 1990 F350 is a terrible turf, but it's still reliable and runs dandy with 425,000. I paid 800 bucks for it a couple years ago and drive it no less than 50+ miles every day. 4wheel drive still works, doors open and close, heater gets warm and wipers wipe! Headlights are another story but all in all, its the best pickup I've ever owned.
Amen! Diesel engines last 4 to 5 times and more, than gas engines. Diesel is a MAN’S truck! Not for city sissy’s.
The biggest farmer in the region always drove a gas, even when he hooked his duality to his 5th wheel and went from Nipawin Sk to Corpus every winter. He said a diesel wasn't worth the cost of investment
Doesn't matter what you buy. The first time you fart in it, the 'new car smell' is gone forever.
@Trkn56 😂
OMG!!!! ROFL!!! Well said!!!....
That's what happened to my truck.
Trkn56 Rofl
Trkn56 along with the value of it
Hahha I have a Fiat Diesel, no issue with trucks ! Love the torque of it, you can pretty much go up a mountain... we're talking JTD Engine, 1.9 with 8 valves. I used to hate diesel when I bought it, but if you don't mind it's louder idle and vibrations every now and then, no prob ! Also... no petrol can give me the mileage while having the same power output. Daily FTW !
I own a pickup truck but I never use it to haul anything or put something in the bed I just Iike the way they look
Ain’t nothin wrong with that hoss !
Ready to sell it?
Depends on the use. If it's for a business, and the towing requirements aren't significant, the gas will always be the better option, because the maintenance costs are significantly less. What isn't mentioned is the fact that all modern diesels are cab removal for a large percentage of common issues at the 80,000 to 120,000 mile range. This increases the hours necessary for repair. 13.5 quarts is also significantly more oil than 8 quarts, and the requisite for two batteries instead of one. This adds up over time. An interesting note for those concerned about payload more so than towing, due to the chassis rating being an identical GVWR, the significantly lighter gas motor increases the payload rating of the truck as well. That's why your typical snow plow is a gasser. You can haul more de-icer or gravel, and cold starts are always a breeze (not that a modern diesel has much difficulty cold starting). If you tow, often and significant, diesel all day long. The maintenance costs even out with far better laden fuel economy. The best warranty you can have is regular maintenance.
My 97 f350 has gas 460. I've had it for 5yrs. It does pretty good on gas. Haven't had to do much to maintain it. It pulls strong. Wished it was a standard.
easiest way to answer is if you have to ask you dont need it. to many diesel trucks wind up in shops cause they just go putt'n around town and only short trips the the grocery store and they dont like that. if your not going to tow over 5k lbs regularly you best be on the highway A LOT otherwise a 2500 with a 6.4 gasser is all your going to need. also if your not loaded down the extra stiffness in the springs your sacrificing ride quality unnecessarily.
Houdinii1212
The ride is smoother on the 17s . My 2012 was a tank but my 17 is comfortable .
Puttin' around short trips with a diesel is the worst idea. They never heat up enough and soot will fill everything called an intake.
I had a 2013 F250 CCLB 4x4 6.2, it was great. I would highly recommend it over the 6.7 unless you absolutely need one because of weight capacity or you run a extraenous amount of miles a year.
We have a 2007 duramax. 498500 miles. Original everything except 2 injectors and damage that could have been avoided.
Wow!!! That’s a GOAL! Did you buy brand new off the lot?
@@MrJLHaney yes! Brand new. Just pulled a load of seed with it yesterday! Something like 506,000 miles now.
@@deelarry2137 that’s incredible! I’ve got diesel fever but I’ve also got the fear of buying used... brand new is too much $$& for me. Would you say 07 is a good year for Duramax to look for a possible purchase??
@@MrJLHaney personal opinion, if you don't need a diesel, don't buy one. I'm a maintenance freak. I change transmission, transfer case, and differential fluids regularly. I feel like maintenance is key.
Good review,,,a few things to think about. And up here in Calgary Alberta and area I would say when you look at commuter vehicles used and if you have a look at parking lots in downtown, the half ton crewcab takes up at least 60 percent. And a very high percentage of households have a pickups from half tons to one tons. A good mix of Gas and diesels, being used for everything. The pick up is the prime choice for all driving needs up here.
Great summary. I have loved diesels ever since I was a kid growing up on our farm. Just loved the sound of the diesel engines in tractors compared to gas. Thus, I always wanted to own a diesel. My first one was in my 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 3 L diesel. I just loved that vehicle. (Recently gave it to our daughter).But as I traveled over the past couple years the cheapest thing to rent or pick up trucks. I was just amazed at the room I had in them. So I decided to buy a truck after driving Jeep GC’s for 25 years. I have always wanted a Cummins diesel and since I had the financial wherewithal to get it I bought a Ram 3500 Longhorn Ltd with a high output Cummins. I have not towed with it yet but I can definitely say it is the most comfortable vehicle I have driven on long trips. I do plan to purchase a gooseneck dump trailer and a fifth wheel RV, both of which this truck will handle easily. So I wholeheartedly agree with you; if you can afford it by the diesel. You won’t be disappointed!
This is exactly what I've been debating. I can't get past the $800 or so note vs a $600 or so note. I can afford both, but that 800 is just a ton to me. I look at blue book value or vehicles 6 yrs older than what I'm looking at and your right. On some Diesel I'm only losing maybe 6000-8000. On the gas trucks I'm looking at I'm losing 20000 and more on the recoup. Not sure what to do. I can always use more money and I don't really tow, but also what's the better investment (I know neither, but of the two).... Basically I'm looking at a Tundra and a 2500 Denali
KissMyAxe I bought a 2013 Chevy 2500 diesel for 52,000 and sold it in dec 17 for 48k. Then got a brand new Denali 3500 for 55,000.
I always buy in dec when new models drive the prices down.
gsxrgeorge00 wow.thats a great deal.on a new Denali. My budget is under 50k and no older than a 2015. I found 1 with my acceptable mileage and asking under 50k with ttl it put it right under 55k. I asked for drive out at their asking price....it was a no go. Made me.no counter offer. I mean damn ya know...that was a 2016 stock Denali. There are good deal, but no one will give a great deal. I may try end of the year like.you. I'm in no rush
DEF fluid, catalyst, DPF and EGR systems are all a big joke! I have 6.7 liter Cummins diesel that was a nightmare of trips to the shop for clogged sensors and saturated DPF filter etc.. The mileage sucked and it was a constant hassle with repair bills, it was so bad I was going to sell it and go back to a gas engine. In desperation, I finally bought a full delete kit and I am delighted with the results! The milage went up 6mpg on the highway, it pulls better than ever and I haven't put in the shop for over 70k miles. If you gave me a brand new diesel truck I would fully delete it on day 1 and save all the headaches. So the logic is you pollute 10% less but you burn 25% more fuel! Sounds like something Congress would come up with. If you are about to throw in towel on your diesel truck I recommend deleting it, you'll love the way it runs afterward. They may have improved but my diesel emission control system SUCKED, so its in the trash where it belongs!
Winston Kaltenbach WELL SAID, makes more sense than cents.
I’m so lucky I live in South Texas where they don’t check for emissions at inspection stations
@@skully720 🤫
Yea I wish I could, but Colorado requires emissions every 2 years and has those machines that sit on the side or roads to test all the cars that go by
As a commercial truck driver who also owns a diesel p/u, don't forget that you also should change the fuel filter when having your maintenance done. A lot of places that sell diesel don't filter their fuel that comes from the in ground tanks to the pumps. It's highly recommended that you have the fuel filter changed.
I’m new to this channel but enjoy the commentary. It’s pretty spot on. I have had both gas and diesel heavy duty trucks and it all depends on what you use it for. You could sway the discussion either way if you really wanted to. Nice job
My gasoline F250 does more than fine hauling my motorcycles to the mountains, and my large items to the landfill. I get to use regular unleaded and have no issues. Diesels are a lot of fun with the torque but I would say most people don't really need them.
In all Honesty. It's better to have it and not need it. Than to need it and not have it.
Speaking from experience and why I own a Pickup Truck.
Are you talking about diesel engines, or pickup trucks in general?
Captain Quirk Pick Up Trucks in General. I'd honestly rather own a Diesel but I'm happy with my Truck.
You can always rent a diesel truck.
Traves McPunk
Just like a gun! Lol
Dassd Schsdu What statement doesn't make sense and why.
Aside from choosing the diesel because you want it or need it, it doesn't make sense to spend more money than you have to on an asset that is going to depreciate. Spending the extra 9,000 on the front end so you can get an extra 7,000 on the back end does not add up mathematically. If you want or need the diesel then get it but its not an investment unless you have an opportunity to make money on the transaction.
Enjoy Life You could put the truck to work for you.
7000 on the back end plus better fuel mileage and reliability while it's yours. That adds up too.
Indeed. Mileage for me would be the issue. I calculated based on today's fuel prices and it would take me 10 years or more to make out in fuel costs. That is not counting the additional cost of maintenance and repairs. Like 13 quarts of oil vs 7 quarts of oil not to mention def fluid. I simply don't drive enough to make up the money in the first 10 years.
Use it haul car's and freight commercially....there's the pay off.
Where I am you will never make up for the cost of the engine in fuel costs because even though mpg is 10% better in the diesel, the fuel is at least 10% more expensive. There is no mpg advantage for a diesel in my location (Southern US)
A diesel engine is far more efficient and there are more energy in one gallon of diesel than one gallon of gasoline About 20% more energy in one gallon.. So if you have two identical cars the fuel consumption should be about 30% less with a diesel.
I've been in the market for a new truck for a few months now. Chevy just looks aged. I like the Ford, but again-just looks the same year after year. I've come to really like the tough, aggressive look of the new Ram 2500. Dodge has really done a good job with the design. The Laramie package is a great bang for your buck too. Definitely like the ugraded Alpine System. I've NEVER owned a diesel. I am just having a tough time paying the extra $8,000-$9,000 for it. I like the idea of getting many more options with the Hemi Heavy Duty 6.4 Gas vs a "Stripped down" or should I say "less Optioned" diesel for the same price. That's a lot of money to spend on options. I hear what you say about the diesel holding it's value more, but I think I will enjoy the 8,000-$9,000 ( or $12k as you say ) worth of options for all the years I will be driving the truck.
Good info. I think there is some important information not mentioned, however. Most importantly the increased cost of the LOF service whenever the fuel and water filters are required, and the increasing occurrence of Diesel injection pump failures. Range on a tank of fuel is a definite plus for a Diesel over a gas truck due to the small increase in mpg.
I do not tow and I own a diesel.
Now, I do have every intention of towing either a 5th wheel or getting one of the in bed campers (my grandpa had one when I was younger and I always loved them because of that) But I bought a 2000 7.3 for a little under 4k (that's a god damn steal where I live in CA for a diesel pickup) but the catch is that its basically been neglected for about 16 years lol.
after a little over a year, I've rebuilt the dana front axle - basically all moog parts, rebuilt the entire power steering and braking systems and am now cleaning up the fuel lines and rebuilding the turbo. As of right now, I'm still under 6,500 in total cost (even if barely) but have a truck that's ready to run for a very long time (i'd wager some people blow their car/truck up before I get close to replacing any of that again)
I literally love diesels, it doesn't matter the manufacturer. I love the different sounds each diesel engine/turbo combinations produce and how each system is truly unique from one another (similar, but still very different)
As long as you can do majority of the work/maintenance yourself, then the cost of owning a diesel is minuscule. Its all about having the space, tools and being able to search google for help lol
My husband: talking about how he wants to sup up my 7.3 power stroke
Me: literally just using it for trips to the grocery store...
my 2001 dodge cummins 21 mpg unloaded about 15 or 16 loaded cruising steady
I just bought a 300k miles 02 Ford for less than 2k. wish me luck.
Is the truck still going 4 months later?
lol you ouutaa luck already
Well how’s it holding up?
I realize this video is about newer trucks but I have an old 12 valve Dodge Cummins. The newer trucks have complex emissions systems compared to mine which has a mechanical injection pump and no DPF or SCR systems. I can reach all the parts of the engine with no problem. It does not require a smog check because it is pre-1998. It is not suitable for a daily driver due to it's age. That frees up money for a nice daily driver gasser and my diesel beast for towing. I like it that way. Best of both worlds.
I like the power and torque you get out a diesel. I am a diesel mechanic and fully appreciate everything Diesel has to offer but I drive a Texas Edition F-150 4x4 with with the 5.0 TiVCT Coyote V8. It's a damn good reliable engine and I love my truck.
I just LOVE that whistling sound that diesels make. Is that vain 🙁
I dont think so, I love the engine sound of diesels, it just sounds clean
I'm a sucker for the turbo whine and the smell of diesel exhaust. That second one may be a little weird. Lmao
@@tylerbozorth5491 the whistling isn't from the diesel engine. It's from the turbo.
Love diesels but I tow and I'm partial. great information as always whether you like gas or diesel keep them coming.
This was a conundrum I faced when buying a diesel v. gas car. Sure, i didn't have to deal with towing or hauling issues, BUT I chose the diesel for many of the reason you would a diesel pickup. My primary reason was fuel efficiency , reliability and the fact that diesel here is about 25 cents less per gallon than regular gas. Its nice to have near 300 fl/lb of torque versus about 180 for the gasser. Adding DEF to the tank in trunk is only required about every 6 K miles and ONLY having to fill up with diesel about every two weeks is a bonus. I am averaging over 50 MPG highway and combined city/highway am at 46.5 on the DIC. It was a win/win for me to get the diesel car over the gasser. Avg gas mileage on gas car is closer to 35 MPG combined and about 38-40 highway.
Newzchspy what vehicle did you buy?
Completely agree. I live in South Texas where the roads are long and straight and my next vehicle will be a diesel.
Currently restoring an 88 Chevy R30, it’s a gasser and as a 16 year old, a pickup with a 350 engine and a ten foot flatbed is all I’ll need
With today's gas it's hands down depends upon how deep your pockets. Diesel costs just more than 65% just for service. Plus diesel fuel, is 1.45 more a gallon, diesel parts are more, Def fluid is added expense. Plus you know the Def is gonna go out. I am a huge fan of diesel. Owned all 3 brands. Rams got me more mileage per vehicle. On this new truck I took the gmc 6.6 gasser over the other 2. I pull max loads of 30k and was very surprised at the torque. I tried all 3 gas, ford 7.3, ram 6.4 and gm 6.6. Ford was my second choice but the way a ford pulled and the reviews really had me worried. Ram was a monster but lacked the torque. So I opted for the 6.6 gmc. So far after 37k in 3 months really happy. Cattle loads with shifting weight it really holds the road. Set cruise at 70 mph and she will really hold her speed. Pulling 30k of iron I was only getting 9 mpg. But with 3500 lbs in bed my average is 19.4. My best empty on flat ground is 25.5. I just can't see owning a diesel anymore that's cost efficient. 😢
When I buy a vehicle I keep it until the doors dont open and the wheels fall off! lol
pen mightygun no a lot people trade every few yrs. My uncle and a friend trade that often.
Just enter through another door until none of the doors will open, then enter/exit through the window.
adaboy4z I do the same it feels good not have a payment
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Yeah man, I know a guy who buys less than $1500 CAD, dumps $3K and drives hard for 3-5 years, sells it for $2000 and repeats. They aren't lemons either, just high miles and he does the work himself. Makes sense to me, but I'd rather not spend cash & just dive it into the ground.
my first car was my hand me down minivan and I was surprised. those things can carry a lot. many times as much or more than a truck depending on how youorganize
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I'm getting about 20% or better mileage with my 2018 Silverado 3500 dually with the Duramax over what I got with my 2016 Silverado 2500 with the 6.0 gasser. Was only getting around 10 - 12 with regular gas and about 9 with E-85. Am very happy with the diesel. Have also had a Jeep Liberty with the Italian diesel and a Touareg with the diesel. Other than having to plug them in during the cold weather up in the Northeast, I think they're so much better.
Pretty good video 👍. As a a diesel truck owner "(2016 ram 2500 ) I agree with what you're saying. Diesel is not for everyone. It all goes down to what you need . That's my opinion
Big disagreement on the final advice to go diesel. Diesel Colorados and Rams have been pretty problematic. On big HD trucks they're more proven. And a gas HD truck will get significantly worse fuel economy than diesel if driven with any spirit at all. Diesels will be more sluggish, less "fun to drive", and so for low mile unladen drivers I would go with gas. Resale is already fantastic on Toyota, GM, and Fords if you simply keep it un-dented and low miles and sell it before the powertrain warranty expires. (and beyond for Toyota).
The fuel cost savings vs initial cost takes about 3-4 years to break even, more in some cases. However, the diesel will return most or all of that additional cost at resale, so it is a net cheaper vehicle to run, less additional maintenance.
Basically, it's a wash. Go with what you like. And for most drivers who have real "manly" jobs and don't need to pretend, gas is more rewarding to drive. And please guys, go light duty unless you actually haul and tow really heavy loads. It's ridiculous to see some jacked up HD used to commute and hit Costco. It will ride roughly, steer less precisely, be noiser in some versions, and have a higher center of gravity so it handles like dog squeeze.
The real question is........ should you buy a $50,000 truck. NO!!! if you make under $100,000... you cant afford it.
Prices on trucks has gotten ridiculous I can not believe there are so many financially irresponsible people who live in a trailer park but own a $50,000 truck.
david s. I make 70k a year and afford my 50k truck easily...
You only live once.
Well its their money they spend it how they like, I cant believe how many people judge someone for owing a expensive vehicle and living in a crappy home, for all they know they might have a large enough savings account with the amount to buy a mansion
There's a difference in a truck you pay for and a truck that pays you. You buy a 50k dollar F-150, and you have a truck you pay for. But If you buy a 70k dollar F-250, or F-350, you have a truck that pays you. An F-150 is a passenger car with a cargo bed. A F-250/350 is a money making machine if you use it correctly. Whether hauling lumber home from the hardware store, or delivering new RVs to dealer, used for what there intended for, they will put money in your pocket.
Don't buy new. Buy certified almost new.
Ford F-150 with a 5.0 is my favorite, but if I’m spending $70-80,000 it’s going to be on land, not a truck.
Bought a 2003 f250 6.0 power stroke and I replaced oils cooler, egr, hpop, intercooler, radiator and water pump. All and all total was $12k and the truck has 128k miles on it. Pretty happy with it.
Good comparison for truck engine types and preferences. I understand the value of a diesel for it's torque for towing. Having had several gas engine trucks, my personal preference is a gas engine, cost of fuel is a big deal when using one for a daily use vehicle, I have a camper I tow once or twice a year for a vacation, maybe 200 to 300 miles tip, not many mountains between me and Myrtle Beach. If I had a farm or business where I was needing it as a tow vehicle nearly daily, I could justify a diesel for me. I put 25k miles a year on my daily driver normally so that's a lot of savings fuel wise, also upkeep wise. My neighbor and also my son in law have diesel Fords, One spends an average of 2000 bucks a year keeping his 6.0 on the road. my son in laws 6.7 has been eating a lot of his bank account so far repairing leaks and pumps...it was 2 years old when he bought it..wow... and the Chevy Duramax, I've heard horror stories about replacing injectors costing 5 grand...so yeah, I'm all for folks having their choice but, consider all the costs, and buying new is probably the best route, a warranty can be a great thing. Great video with a lot of food for thought. I enjoy all of your vids. Thank you..
Diesel for hauling longer trips.
Gas for local hauling. Simple...
Don't forget altitude and mountain passes. Anything above 7000', diesel all day long.
Can see a lot of changes in corpus from when I lived there. Yes I run a diesel f350
I have a 1994 F259😁
Lived in Flour Bluff in the 1962 (NAS Corpus Christi). Went back in 2010j, not much difference. Less Whataburgers and Freddie Fender is dead.
Very good video and I love how you made it simple for the dummies. I pull a 35 ft travel trailer with a half ton Nissan Titan and I know I need more so I've been looking at the Cummins Titan. Maybe making that move very soon!
Brad Taylor really? I’ve been looking at a 33’ Toy hauler and was scared to pull it with my 1500 Silverado but you’re doing it.
@@operationhotshotinc.6887 Yep, my Titan does a pretty good job. Granted, if it's windy I really have to be paying attention. It unfortunately ads to the stress of the drive.
My wife has a economical Fiat 500 for work and it's good for that but nothing else so I have a 14 F-150 STX 5.0 that knows how to get to Lowe's by itself. Last year I had a tandem axel car hauler pro built with c channel etc and hauled a car from AZ to MO. The truck impressed me with it's ease of towing and my diesel dreams went away. I don't know how the truck will perform with higher mileage, 22k now, but for now it's more than enough. Recently I started looking at Stewart and Stevenson LMTV ex military trucks as spending $10k on that and keeping the F-150 nice makes more sense than spending bank on a new Ford diesel. All the best to you out there.
Living in north dakota a pickup truck is a must no matter what. 40 below weather with 36mph winds in 12ft of snow.i would love to have a bigger turck too:)
My Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins turbo diesel pulls my 17k pound trailer at 80 mph like it's a feather.
, so does my D.
Gas powered vehicles are so much smoother and quieter. Also I love the quick response/high RPM from a gas powered vehicle.
My 7.3l runs as strong as the day I bought it back in 1999 had to replace the transmission at 350k . Always towing an RV or cattle trailer
Lots of good information in this video. I'm planning on buying a pickup truck that has the capacity to pull a 7,000lb to 8,000lb travel trailer. I'll be going with a diesel engine, as they are designed for the extra work. If anyone doesn't believe me; take a look at the 18 wheeler's engines. They are all diesels.
I installed in my 1993 silverado a *_Custom_* wooden lock mechanism to keep the door closed... runs perfect on the other hand
I can’t decide if I wanna get an older diesel or a newer gas price for right around the same initial price
I just realized how many commenters don't watch the video first..
Back Seat Garage amen 🙏
I do that sometimes. 50/50 on the regret level. :)
Yeah no kidding
too windy
When I was 16 I got a single cab 2003 dmax. Didn’t need a truck but all the dudes in my family did for their line of work so naturally I wanted one. Well 11 years later I’ve never not had a truck. The most versatile vehicle around. I own a boat yes, but The point is I didn’t buy trucks for any other reason other than I wanted one.
I had a ram turbo diesel 2009ish and i got 630 miles(on highway) and 500 miles(in the city) on a single tank, (was chipped) but that is way more than any gas truck will get. Plus it still had power so no compromises. Only costed 16 grand to buy, its well worth the price if you ask me, and no DEF stuff, it would roll coal if you put your foot down.
I have a 2015 F350 6.7 diesel XLT pull a 36 foot fifth wheel camper tried gas first it did not do the job always shifting gears up and down all the time never would stay in any gear that has to not b good for transmission got about 17mpg empty and 8 towing
Diesel notes has 62000miles on it no problem gets 20mpg empty 12mpg towing does not down shift got enough torque don't have too
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I will stay with diesel if u not goin tow gas probably b ok and yes I use tow-haul mode on both no comparison between two if towing
6.7, I had a 6.4 PS 350. Mechanic that specialize PS wanted $8400 for a HPFP and said 6.7 weren't any better. 7.3 was the last good PS. Good luck when you get to 100K, that is when your Ford will show its real colors. I will never buy another Ford again. BTW, my F350 was a follow on to a F250.
Put shifter knob to M you can manually control transmission that way...
Or I could take that 8 to 12 grand and put it in the bank and use that as part of my next down payment on another truck. Personally I think it's foolish to buy a diesel as a grocery getter.
but if you have the money to buy a diesel truck and groceries then go ahead lol
Doubly so if it's a new diesel.
If it isn't making you money, it isn't worth owning.
I still dont understand these guys buying diesels for daily driving. Its like they just like to hear the turbo spool lol
It's pretty foolish to use a truck as a grocery getter. A minivan would be a better fit for the mission of 99% of folks out there.
Guys I'd love to buy a diesel truck for a daily vehicle but I will tell u this I'd hold on to that sob for 20yrs plus because the mileage it will last
Lmao it's like hes talking straight to me . Thank you
Looking to get a new truck, saw online a 04 Ford Super crew 5.4L with 68k miles for 5,900. Then I saw a 05 Ram 2500 5.7L 4WD with 162k miles for 8,500. I'm kinda torn between which to get especially since the Ram looks awesome, but the mileage on the Ford is unbelievable
99 f350 super duty 7.3 with 472 k still runs good
I just feel like you can buy a lot of gasoline for 12 grand.
So spend a lot more up front to keep more later? Funny logic.
I just keep replacing the motor and it's a new truck all over again.
Ain't that the truth? I have a 75 gallon auxiliary tank in my 2011 Chevy 2500HD, so i can carry 110 gallons. It's nice to be able to buy gas wherever it's the cheapest.
Lifted_Above Pay $1 now get 50 cents back later vs pay $2 now get $1 back later - I guess I’m missing the point of how is that funny logic. If you’re worried about how it hurts your pocketbook to pay more now then it just means you can’t afford it. Same with houses - everyone has an initial price line they can’t cross.
You betcha! I wouldn't own a diesel pickup if they were paying me to haul diesel fuel away. Too much money for too little benefit. Longevity?? Not from what I've seen.
Thank for the update I just bought me a big Horn 1500 Eco disel love the ride nice machine!!👍
Cmon. The one guilty pleasure reason some spend on diesels is to simply be macho, run loud, rev the exhausts at cars' open windows.
Be honest. You know who you are.
effinchad LOL Yeah
I like wrapping a chain around problem neighbors houses and pulling them off their foundations.
@@davids7476 I like using my Ram 2500 Cummins to pull my son-in-law's Ford to the shop, or get him out of the mud.
A lot of the choice depends upon where you drive the truck. I live in the SW U.S. and wouldn't drive a gas engine. Try driving over Wolf Creek Pass or the uphill haul on NV 68 out of Laughlin, NV and then I-40 out of Kingman, AZ. The high rev drone and constant shifting of a gas engine will convince you to pay the extra dollars for the diesel. The emphasis seems to be towing. I'm here to tell you that the wind load on a truck camper is every bit the load as towing. The diesels do it with power to spare making a far more pleasant ride. I've owned six diesel pickups over the past 30 years and wouldn't buy a gas engine in a 3/4-ton truck.
You forgot that diesels actually have lower payload ratings compared to the identical gas engine because that engine/transmission combination weighs a lot more and it's on the same tires and axles. This means my 2500HD Duramax 4x4 has only 1700lbs of capacity for a slide in camper, which limits me to a handful of slide-ins.
Just good to know.
Dude, I love your vids but this is one vid I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you on. After owning multiple gas and diesel 3/4 & 1 ton trucks the true decision factor is initial cost, cost of ownership (maintenance), and resale.
Here's my 2 pennies.
Initial cost - Diesels are dramatically more expensive than gas both used and new in any brand regardless of known problems with engines.
Cost of Ownership: I don't know what shop you go-to but my gas Silverado 2500 costs $90 for an oil change. Every single one of my diesels I ever owned I never walked out of an oil change at Valvoline for less than $180 - 200 depending on which truck. You also have to be so much more diligent with the oil changes. Every 5k miles (especially 6.0l). Plus, the older Ford's like the 6.0 don't like the newer lower cetane diesel fuel. Add cetane boost to every tank and it runs better, gets dramatically better mileage, and is quieter. Oh and keep up with that water separation unit and fuel filter. Dear lord don't let that filter get too bad. Those pressure based injectors go bad and watch $7k float out of your wallet.
My first truck was a used 04 450 with 25k miles I bought in 05. I bought the extended warranty as well. The extended warranty wouldn't cover what they deemed a "manufacturer defect". So the cost of EGR cooler, oil cooler, and then heads at 95k miles made me sell it. Bought a new 05 350 in 06 for a damn good deal and got Ford's extended warranty. Even they wouldn't cover their EGR cooler and heads. So I traded it with 89k miles for a new 07 350 with a 5.4L gas. Got it super cheap. In two years, cam phasers went out. By 75k miles had 2 drivers side exhaust manifolds replaced. At 110k the damn sparkplugs broke off in the damn head. I have had all the same kinda luck with Chevy and Dodge. I stack miles on but, no heavy pulling. They should last.
I'm basically saying, you're going to get shit mileage no matter what you get. Expect it. Look for what's easier. Gas is way easier to find, way cheaper overall, and nets no profit in resale. Though you may meet more in profit resale wise on the diesel, you spent 10k more for it in the beginning, twice as much for maintenance, and fuel is always more money. Get a nice 6.4 or 6.2l gas and call it a day.
TK 4594 thanks for the real world experience. I’m in the same dilemma, diesel or gas, so your perspective is spot on.
Thank you for scaring the S" "T out of my Wallet.... Gas it is! :) :)
Thank you. I'm not looking for a towing vehicle, just a 1-ton that can handle a 4,000 lbs. camper and about 1,500 lbs. of people and gear. Might stick with gas.
And honestly the 6.0l gm gas engine will last damn near as long as a diesel as long as u upkeep basic servicing.
@@tl5108 that's what there saying with the 6.2 gas engine in Ford I have one in my f250 and I get 2mpg less then my buddies GMC 2500 diesel that he payed 15,000 more then I did and hes ending up paying alot more for fuel and maintenance so I'm gonna stick with my gas 6.2
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Just brought home a 2017, F250 6.7L power stroke turbo. Now, I'm REALLY glad I did! Might haul something.... Might not....but I look, sound and feel GOOD! Nice video bro. Liked and subbed.
I own a 2010 Ram 3500 that I tow a 38' fifth wheel and I have just over 103,000 miles. I get 16-20 mpg every day driving and 9-11 mpg when towing. I have found that in my eight years of ownership, I spend about $1,000/year on maintenance and repairs. I do my own oil change (3 gal synthetic + filter, about $105 - dealer charges $180 for dino oil) every 5 - 7,500 miles, fuel filter change ($50 - dealer charges $100 and the filters are now about $65 through a dealership) every 15,000 miles.
If you plan on getting a travel trailer then get a diesel because while you think you will stay with the little pop up, eventually you will get that 5th wheel
You overlooked the fact that a diesel engine is much heavier than a gas engine, which causes more wear and tear to the front suspension, brakes and tires.
thebluebumblebee the entire suspension and brake setup is beefed up in relation to the engine weight, they are actually more reliable
@@sambo2891 Actually, not so much. Axles are rated for the same weight whether you buy a gasoline or a diesel.
Informative content as usual. Thanks!
This video completely killed me wanting a diesel. When I heard diesel exhaust fluid I had to look it up. That ruins a diesel in the fact that as an expedition vehicle goes the vehicle becomes next to useless when it runs out. I used to like diesel due to the face it could burn most any type of oil based fuel. Diesel have been ruined for me.
Spock910 as a Auto and diesel mechanic and a nerd I like the system and what it does. I can suck a pipe😂, people don't fully understand how it all works
Fatal I'm looking at it from a prepper standpoint. I like diesel because it can run just about any oil based fuel. I would still go for it if exhaust fluid can be optional. As I understand it if you run out the engine will be reduced and stop until it is refilled. Can you imaging running an American diesel in the Philippines, Siberia, Africa. Places where exhaust fluid does not exist. Just how good will it be then. I want an engine that can run anywhere in the world with the most common fuel.
You got to get an older diesel truck if you want to cross the Atlantic with it.
Woosh?
Having owned 3 gas trucks 2001/05 F150/2008Tundra and 2 diesels 2015 Chevy 2500 now 2021 F250.. Towing or not, I’d buy Diesel over a gasser and 4x4. I always buy extended warranty too. The diesel trucks have better fuel economy towing or not. The diesel trucks costs more but hold value. Agree with you.
I daily drive a 2011 Chevy 2500hd 6.0 gas. My reason is that I paid practically nothing for it from the company that I used to work for. It was a shop truck that barely got used since we also has a 3500 flat bed dually the used way more often. Gas mileage isn’t that bad considering that it’s a huge truck. I haven’t towed with it yet but I have filled the bed and was glad for the 8’ bed. I am planning on getting a travel trailer soon so having a 2500 sets my mind at ease. And personally I like that tree huggers might not like my truck, I consider it a bonus. And resale value doesn’t mean anything to me because I’m never selling it. I still own my last daily driven truck, a 95 GMC Sierra 1500 and my 1984 cutlass supreme I daily drove in the early 2000s.
if you are going to tow there is absolutely no comparison , the diesel always wins hands down.
Thanks I guess I don't need a diesel since I only tow once in awhile-thanks!
This question is one that will exist for eternity. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've been asked this question as I've owned several trucks over the years... That said, I agree with your advice, if you just want a DD truck and the occasional box store visits, gas would be fine, however, if you're one of those guys who plan on doing ANY serious towing you would regret that gas engine purchase very quickly...
There is a place for 3/4 ton diesel trucks in the towing environment. It's in "effortless towing" of travel trailers in the 30-34' range. Three quarter ton trucks have the payload to manage tongue weights and adequate (not excessive) cargo when hitched to travel trailers in this size range. They are ideal to "fill the gap" between gas engines towing large trailers and diesel engines which make towing in that weight range much easier.
Three quarter ton trucks diesel trucks don't typically have the payload for anything but the smallest (under 31') fifth wheels. While there are some "base model trucks" with more payload than the "typical buyer's optioned trucks" they tend to be the commercial models with vinyl seats, hand crank windows, few options and the largest payloads. Once you start adding leather, heated/cooled seats, carpet, electric windows, electric mirrors and all the "luxury options" the payload takes a significant "nose dive".....
Most 3/4 ton diesel trucks are "ideally matched" to medium large travel trailers, but not to anything but the smallest fifth wheels. Because of the limited payload, they are limited in the fifth wheel arena.
If you have a short bed truck, you may be faced with the need for a sliding hitch. That's something I haven't found is necessary, but my Ford bed is slightly longer than the RAM bed. The extra 5 or 6 inches makes a significant difference in clearing the back of the cab during turns. If you do find you need a sliding hitch, you can expect to add an extra 100 pounds to the hitch weight, something that will compound your already critical lack of payload with almost any fifth wheel, even the smallest, "half ton" units.
AMEN...plus Diesel ..on F-250 has alot more torque.and MPG...
its all just beginning,,, in ten years no one will buy gas trucks
I love my 7.3l gas ford and I will keep it till its last breath.
We went with diesel but did a lot of research. No DPF. We bought a 2007 GMC 4x4, quad cab, long bed. Only 40,000 miles on it too. This truck is beautiful too. We found a pearl among trucks. Tows like a champ too