Top 5 Pros & Cons of Diesel vs Gasoline Pickup Trucks
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- ( Presented by: Truck Nuts Book) Top 5 Pros & Cons of Diesel vs Gasoline Trucks. Which one would you choose: a gas or turbo-diesel truck and why? Kent "Mr. Truck" Sundling, Nathan Adlen, and Andre Smirnov discuss pros and cons on this episode of TFLtruck talk.
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You guys look like Ron White, Jeff Foxworthy, and Larry the Cable guy sitting there. Thanks for the info.
LMAO
indeed
Why is this comment always first, I made a comment about the video and it was second to this comment. What gives this isn't fair and they are not even addressing it. I think it's because they dont want to address the issue and the problem witch is sad because it is a growing problem for us as viewers. I think it's time to make them accountable by installing a rating system that will hold them accountable.
It basically the blue collar comedy tour but from dollar general
@@mattshansen9814 there is a rating system lol. The comment that has the most likes is shown first. Usually bc it’s funny. Stop being butthurt
You know why Diesels get better gas mileage than gas?
Because Diesels don't run on gas.
Oh damn
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Because there is more energy in a unit of diesel compared to a unit of gasoline.
Actually, Diesels MPG advantage is shrinking.... A GM engineer says within 10 years there won't be a MPG advantage. Even engine life is shrinking. Diesels still last about 100k more than a well maintained gas engine before real maintenance.
Problem with diesels is DEF and oil changes$$$ and initial cost.
@@jolo170 Energy difference is about 10%, but the extra weight hurts any real savings.
afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf
A lot of guys these days buy diesels just to say, "I own a diesel"
I bought one because I can.
+oceanwaves83 not in today's reality lol
I keep going between a diesel just for shits and gigs or a 3.5 ecoboost. I've heard VERY good things about how well the F150 can tow. My question is though, has the engine proven itself to be reliable yet?
isn't Ford bringing out a diesel F150?
Yeah I've got an older Chevy with the 5.3. It's perfect for what I usually tow, but there are some times when I need a forklift and those bastards are heavy. For how often I need one and the short distance that I've had to move it though, it's not worth getting a diesel.
I have 195k on mine so far and have put 30k of those miles on it in less than a year. I couldn't ask for much more. These LS motors are insane.
who buys to resell? i buy to keep for lifetime or until it dies
yo bro
Mercedes bad resale cuz they are junk.
Bc your a Ford driver
@@jordansheppard6643 I hate you
@@jordansheppard6643 BMWs Too.
I'll stick with my 89 F250 7.3 no def and 500,000 miles still going strong
Best diesel Ford ever used!!!
So is it still going
I drive a 2000 7.3 daily for work and the only problem is they have low power
Im more of a chevy guy but got to admit the older trucks are better than the $50,000 plastic junk they make nowadays
I suppose you also have a Harley with over 100k on the clock and never been down also.
Being driving gas all my life and didn't know much about diesel vehicles until two years ago when i bought an 8 years old Civic turbo diesel. The difference was as night and day. The torque of this little engine (2.2, 140 hp) is unbelievable. When the turbo kicks in, it's a hold on to your hats time. Being driving it for two years, no issues what so ever.
Diesel if you frequently tow heavy loads.
Gas if you are like the average family who only occasionally tows a relatively light load.
If you are somewhere in the middle ground between those two, that's when the choice gets more difficult.
The newer gas engines are impressive. And stricter regulations really hurt the potential benefits of diesel.
However, the longevity and power of diesel speaks for itself.
We are planning to purchase a truck next year. We would be towing a camper RV ~8000 lb dry weight. Considering this, the gas powered truck would certainly do it. But I have been wanting to have a diesel experience all my life. But then I took a look at what EPA has done and the issues arising out of it in diesel. I am confused.
I hear ya. I was in same predicament back in late 2017 when we purchased our new f350 diesel from ford. Prior, we had an 03 f250 6.8 v10 3.73 gear by ford and it was struggling to climb any hill even without any trailer attach to it.
We have been pulling our 9,000 to 10,000 loaded rv 2 to 3 times a month within 100 miles to 250 miles since Jaunuary of 2018 and present. Our truck is my daily drive and it has 105,000 miles since purchased new. No major problems except steering stabilizer upgrade and with basic maintenance which i do myself often even while camping in the Nevada desert. All are intack and just passed my smog this year here in Vegas. If you use the diesel on its intended use, most likely you will have many years of use without major problems even in stock form. Diesel engines are design to work and to be driven daily or weekly getting to its proper warm up operation.
For us, we are glad we got an f350 with the diesel engine because we are upgrading to a much bigger and heavier rv without looking at a different truck and we are lucky we bought ours back in late 17. We like our diesel truck and the empty mileage we save when not towing. Our v10 ford f250 gets 9 to 10 per gallon empty with 35" tires. This truck will be getting 16 to 19 mpg with the same set-up same driver.
Although, this might be our first and last diesel truck unless we continue to pull heavy and big in many down we go.
The new 7.3L gasoline from ford will be a contender for a diesel with a 4.10 or 4.30 gearing but will not be good as daily driver long distance with the 4.30 gearing in my opinion.
Good luck and happy trails!
@@j.l.salayao8055 thanks a lot for the detailed response
I own a 2011 5.3 Silverado, and my buddy owns a 2011 duramax, I had to do a cam and lifters at 140,000 miles and he had the crank break at 120,000 miles. I wonder if modern deisel actually last longer. But deisels sure are a lot easier to tow with.
Thanks for making the video. Helped me fall asleep last night.
Lmaoo! Soo true good night
Okay good for you
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every guy who lives in a rural community knows that a diesel is a chick magnet
Chick=cousin
Roger Logan *fat cousin
Roger Logan ur definition of a chick
bigusdickus that's the chicks u get
@@jordansheppard6643 well most women are also called chicks so technically if your cousin is a women then she's probably a chick
slightly off topic. been driving a 2000 Corolla for 10 years. i forgot how INVISIBLE i am on the road and the lack of respect other drivers have for me. i haven't driven a truck in 15 years. i recently test drove a Tacoma, which obviously isn't huge, but couldn't believe how other drivers actually made room for me during lane changes without having to "force my way in", the distance they allowed me in general, and the courtesy around parking lots and slow roads. unfair and ridiculous, but it is what it is and i felt a lot safer.
icawn - - that would be B.S. in Denver, CO. I drive a school bus for special needs kids (K-12) & it's absolutely disgusting how other drivers get. They *know* that our vehicles (none of ours are full-sized buses), neither turn nor stop on a dime!
Picture me coming out at a 'T'-intersection & someone lets me in & everyone can easily see what I'm doing. I proceed making a right turn, thusly, my left front bumper goes into the center lane by about 4-8 INCHES. Now, I timed it perfectly, I had about a 6-8 second count before that other car would be there - - the old-timer honked at me & shot me crusties. I would absolutely SWEAR that he sped up because I wouldn't have taken that chance, God forbid that I would cause him to TAP on his breaks.
He didn't really even have to slow down, no courtesy at all & I didn't even do anything wrong. Even in cars we have to make minor adjustments to accommodate other vehicles, that's how WE all get along in the madness of traffic.
if youre looking for a smaller truck also try a dodge dakota, ford ranger or chevy s10
Yeah I got the same reaction in my beat up old 1991 2wheel drive extended cab long bed Chevy truck people would let me in more easily, now that I drive a car it's like people would rather run me off the road than let me merge lanes!
Drove a 04 Corolla for 10 years just switched to a new Silverado. Life changing. The safety knowing other drivers are swing you is priceless
Sean Savage I have a ranger. It’s the same thing for me. People hop right on my ass if Im in the fast lane even if Im doing 85+. Nobody wants to let the smaller vehicles through. But you best believe when Im in my F250 or 76 F150, people move out of the way when Im hauling ass lol
Diesel: Torque. That's it.
Gas: Lower purchase price, lower maintenance costs, cheaper fuel, same or better MPGs now days, plenty of power to get the job done, no DEF, etc.
Don't forget at high-altitude the fuel won't freeze for a gasser. The local water utility doesn't purchase many diesels anymore because of that issue.
gas: craps out at about three hundred thousand miles
diesel: the right one dies at a million miles
+Donavan Glasser thats not how any off this works.
+SLEURHUT yes it does pay more now for a truck that last three times as long or go cheap and get a truck that dies earlier
Donavan Glasser They have comparable longevity though. The Diesel doesn't necessarily last longer than a gas motor.
you guys have great presence! it's not easy to have a 3 way conversation this naturally on camera with so few interruptions while also getting all points across in a quick video
Yeah i notice that too
They look like pretty boring guys but once they get talkin they strangely have a lot a charisma
No homo
1994 12 valve cummins had it since it came off the line
As far as I’m concerned the 6bt is the best engine ever put in an American light duty truck. Doesn’t have anywhere near the power of a new one or any of the complexity either. Update the lift pump on a 6bt and youve got a genuine million mile engine.
Watching this in 2019 and yes Nathan, we have hit 60k mid size trucks lol
Way back in 2003, I test drove a Dodge Ram Quad Cab 2500. It was plain vanilla with the Cummins, and heavy duty 5 speed. God, that was fun to drive! That engine had so much torque it felt like it would tear out the rear end! I believe it was $25K, a steal by today's standards!
Let's be honest, most people get a diesel cause their cooler. Trucks used to do the same kind of work 30 years ago with 3 times less power. This goes for both gas and diesel
Yeah but now everyone thinks if you can't maintain 70 mph up an 8% grade you don't have enough power.
Terry Waters - mostly due to reviews that compare the trucks to each other all the time. Even guys that “claim” to know trucks are out of touch. These three al push the need for more horsepower. Each one has had a moment when they needlessly stated a vehicle need more power or was better because of a gross excess of power. They don’t know, have not experienced (this one is really common), or have forgotten the days when a 3/4 ton truck had a 350 with 200 hp pulling 10,000 lbs and being reviewed as an adequate 3/4 ton. ( I truly believe they were underpowered then as well, but now it is getting silly.) you used to easily be able to upgrade from a 1/2 ton to a 3/4 ton then as well. Trucks are safer today, no doubt, but the average person can’t afford a new truck anymore.
I bought a 2020 Gmc base 6.6L previously owned a 6.0 diesel considering the cost of repair services with the 6.0 and they 6.6 Gmc base model it makes better sense to own the gas burn still gets the job done the gas 6.6 was difficult to come by paid more to get it but worth it
Nothing beats a tuned and deleted Turbo Diesel when it comes to a truck.
Except the fine for owning a vehicle that is in violation of the Federal Clean Air Act and being forced to pay to have all the emissions equipment reinstalled. Not to mention the trouble those who altered the vehicle may get in. I hate all the emissions issues but are you really recommending violating federal law?
Good discussion. When I was looking at buying my truck late last year I went through the same talk with my friends. What eventually drove me to buying a gas motor was the maintenance costs my friends were paying. It wasn't even the regular maintenance either. Several of my friends had repair needed in the new emissions systems. O2 sensors, DEF sensors, etc..... and all cost at least 1000 bucks to repair. I ended up with a gas motor. Though I actually ended up with a half ton instead of a 3/4 ton, but that was more to the fact that I found a great deal on my truck.
for me the potential repair costs for a diesel are outrageous vs a gas engine
that's way off, more like 1200$ for injectors plus labor
Replacing the injectors is a lot cheaper than a new truck...
@@drivingmylifeaway7149 more like 2500
You haven’t driven a Toyota. The cost to repair them is ridiculous as well. Yes, they really do break down. More than you know. Toyota owners mask the fact they have to repair their trucks because they don’t want to say they have a bad truck. It is kinda weird.
And you can actually work on a gas engine yourself if you really wanted/needed to
I’m laughing at all these “new truck” stats... I daily drive a 99 Ford 7.3 turbo diesel, getting 19.6 hwy with 418k on the odometer, original transmission, original injectors.
They don’t make em like they used to...
7.3 was the last great FORD Diesel, I worked for Ford when they had the powerjoke 6.0/6.4 and they were junk. Still talk to a buddy that works at the dealer and they are starting to have trouble with the new 6.7L. A buddy that has a towing company and his 6.7L was at the shop with
@@JerseyMikeP and they were made by international
Before they threw all that epa bull on them
I love both but with all the emissions crap on the newer diesels, the case for them has lessened for me. The Ford 7.3 and larger gas engines coming for GM and Dodge, this is going to get even more blurred.
Unless you are towing high weights on inclines on a regular basis, gas is just fine for me.
4k for injectors...thank goodness i live in cali..i just cross the border to mexico and had 3 of my injectors replaced for less than 180 with labor
I really enjoy the "talking shop" videos. Keep it up TFL!
+The Fast Lane Truck how about a pro vs con video on the trend of putting turbo v6s in cars like the mustang, or sport trucks like the raptor as opposed to big V8s.
V8 is better then turbo 6 for trucks reliability won't be as good with the turbo 6
obviously
Easy the turbo v6s are more efficient AND MORE POWERFUL THAN THEIR V6 diesel counterparts or can you guess it? THE HEMI
+oceanwaves83 in this world a turbo charged v6 beats a v8 and diesels do not fit in a light duty truck
+oceanwaves83 yea I wouldn't mind it that bad but Rams commercials tick me off because they say they have the best mpg and they do but as a diesel I don't know we're ever your from but in Texas diesel is 20 cents more a gallon and that adds up to al lot when your towing a huge load from Austin to elpaso
+Texanminecrafter29 i get 10 mpg in my 04 hemi, I would gladly pay 20 cents per gallon more (roughly 4.50 more per fill up) if I could get double the mpg . It's the initial cost of buying thats the problem lol
They didn't mention this con of diesel: Pain in the ass to start in cold weather. Unless you don't plug it in at night it will be very hard. Most people are clueless when it comes to maintenance don't change particulate filters or other stuff like that.
I live in Canada -30c I never plugged my truck in 1 winter, no problems started every time, I know it's not good.
Cold weather starting was maybe a problem in the 80's for diesels but not anymore. As for changing the particulate filters... you know they regenerate right? You are not supposed to change them everytime they fill up.
Erik Kovacs regeneration does not clean them all out you do have to get them cleaned
That just means theres a problem. Most diesels with no issues should start right up.
Talk about clueless
diesel for life, I'll never go back to a gas truck
Seriously... I went from a Chevy gas truck to an old 12 valve cummins Ram. Older truck but damn do I love it.
My gas truck overheats towing my diesel does not
Alan Thats because diesel engines are a LOT more efficient as there is less heat energy going out of the exhaust like there is in petrol vehicles.
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I don't believe that's true at alll
Alan It is. Look at the engine temps of a petrol car and a diesel car. The diesel car is generally lower in temp than the petrol acr. From experience I can confirm this. My mothers car is a 1.1 petrol and when under constant use (On the motorway) it stays just under 100.c. Whereas my fathers 2.2 diesel under the same conditions stays around 70-80.c...
thanks a lot for the post guys. I'm in the process of getting a new truck and the info you gave was very beneficial.
thanks again.
i travel all over nj for work, i have 2017 ram ecodiesel, get between 24-28 mpg on the highway, will never buy a gasser again, got no problem paying $55-$70 once a week for diesel, sometimes i can go 2 weeks on a single tank #diesel gang
I've owned an '04 Ram 2500 4x4 Quad Cab Hemi since new and love it. During the warmer months it's used to tow our camper and an enclosed trailer fairly regularly that both weigh about 7000lbs. Do I wish it was a Cummins sometimes? Yeah, but, for what it's used for it fits the bill nicely without some of the associated costs of the diesel. Pros and cons to both no doubt.
Wow those snaps on that vest are STRONG!
Ain't that the truth.
Man I want me some.
I just bought my first diesel truck (2014 dodge ram eco diesel). I love the fuel milage, on highway 30 to 35. In the city with cruise close to 40mpg. Now I don't like the price of the oil and filter. Have not had it long enough to speak of other maintenance issues. So far I'm very happy with the truck.
Great video guys! Really enjoyed it. Thanks for doing it...
Really need you guys do a NO load run/loaded (payload, not trailer) comparison of gas vs. diesel, 3/4 ton.
For my purposes, I like midsize to light duty, and a few years ago I was upset because "we need a diesel option in everything, they're so much better. More efficient, cheaper fuel, longer lasting, a better real world power band..." Then a few days ago I was noticing that there are now diesel options available and they're not even on my radar because all of those benefits have disappeared. Gas engines and the transmissions they're paired have been vastly improved recently. At the same time, diesel engines made some mild performance gains and became incredibly expensive to buy and operate. Outside of towing heavy trailers daily, they've become a huge expense with no benefit.
Thank you guys this video actually helped me out I'm actually in the middle of a debate on whether or not I should get a gasser or this diesel that I just found. I also found another video through y'all on a 1986 Ford f250 6.9 which is exactly what I'm about to purchase both of these videos have given me a lot of good information. Thank you
This has been quite an education for me. Thanks for posting this. Videos like THIS are the reason why I'm subscribed to this channel ;-)
Yeah everytime I rationalize against buying a diesel in my head I say "Well, if I blow up my 5.3 towing, I'll hop on craigslist and buy another one for $500." Diesel injectors cost more than an entire gas replacement motor... And I don't even want to know what a short or long block duramax costs.
I got a set of new performance injectors for like $300, because I bought a chip and it broke twice so they just sent me a free set of injectors.
Maybe injectors for the cummins are way cheaper, idk
Smart man, I love to learn things the hard way.
+The02CumminsRAM Please learn how modern common rail systems work and how they work with ULSD. It's nothing like your pre-DPF cummins. Today, when you have a fuel system failure, you likely have complete fuel system failure on your hands, which can cost you upwards of $10,000. They literally have to pull apart the entire system, not just one injector, and replace, repair and or clean whatever. They pull the fuel tank out, replace the high and low pressure pumps, replace high and low pressure fuels lines, replace filter(s).......then replace the injector that failed + all the other injectors. Imagine how expensive this gets with the rates charged by certified diesel techs. $300??? Yeah, sure...
^ Fuck that.
Not sure if it's mentioned but remember gas or diesel all the other components wear at the same rate. Tie rod ends, ball joints, etc.. 150k on a gas or diesel stuff will still be worn out.
Every time i tow i wish i had a diesel but when $35 does an oil change and $50 fills my tank i think other wise.
Also when my truck sets for 6 months and i throw on my truck camper and hook up my trailer i think man what a waste of money it would be to have a diesel truck and payment just setting there.
Not to mention i can but a new motor for around 2k if need be it's a no brainer for me for gas.
175k miles on my gmc 6.0 gasser 2500 and it's doing just fine. Original motor and trans.
In a gas truck towing you just have to not be in a hurry. lol
Just some random thoughts.Great vid!
I used to do Vehicle logs at the company I used to work for building Metal Buildings .We had same size trucks F550s half diesels and the other half V10 Gasoline engines. It was less expensive to run the Gasoline even with more fill ups an more miles. Diesel pull good , but the Gasoline Gets the job done too, and cheaper.
Don’t the diesels take less wear and tear on the components because of the lower heat and lower rpm’s affecting the motor and transmission?
@@Alexander-fr1kk he's mentioning suspension parts and the other components of the truck.
Ben Leader
Gotcha
On suspension components, the diesel is going to be harder on them simply because, while the engine and transmission is different, the suspension components for the diesel truck and the gasoline truck are going to be the same. The diesel, on average, is going to weigh about 800 lbs more...which doesn't seem like a lot in the scheme of things (I mean, we are talking about 8000 lb trucks), but it is more about where the weight is located: on the front end. Gasoline trucks are going to be easier on things like ball joints, tie rod ends, bushings, etc. simply because there is less weight bouncing up and down on them.
you guys are just pumping these videos out good job
This is a good discussion for people interested in “newer” trucks, but when comes down to best bang for the $,…I’ll take a 7.3 Powerstroke with 6spd manual, 4x4. 😉👌
The thing is... I ONLY go to starbucks in my pickup truck.
As someone who drives "Big Rigs" for a living. Any and all of the big rigs that have DEF pretty much suck. Does not matter the make, e.g Peterbuilt, Kenworth, or Volvo. They are always in the shop mainly due to emission related issues. I and fellow drivers have been left on the side of the road due to the red warning of death on the dash. That's why independent drivers go with/purchase glider kits. Basically a new truck with a rebuilt pre-egr engine. You can basically go anywhere, except the Soviet Republic of California. If I was in the market for a new truck, gas all the way.
you've got that right
+Jeff K
Thanks.
I feel for you guys man. My aunt owns a trucking company. Small business. Owns a couple trucks and contracts others. She had to buy a new DEF truck because she had a huge contract with a mining company in California.
+C-grunt
Oh ya, DEF anything car, pickup, big truck just sucks.
My wife's cousin' s husband is a driver in Texas and he told me the company he drives for is always having trouble with the diesel particulate filters. He said they can cost up to $1700 to clean if they have to "cook" them out. My buddy has an old "dirty engine" Pete and wouldn't take a new truck if you gave it to him.
Good video, I'm a professional whole seller and they covered everything perfect. I'm now retired. A used Diesel always brings top dollar in auctions. Like I said these men covered most everything and I would give it two thumbs up. Thanks!
I have a ram 3500 with the Cummins as my daily driver and I love it. Don't pull or nothing just love diesel.
Switched my pickups to Diesel 3 yrs ago. Would NEVER RETURN.
Diesel fuels is supposed to be much cheaper than gas because it's less refined. But, I guess 16 years of war and the government hoarding it for war machines has caused this price gouging. But, this is pretty simple, you either need a diesel or not. There's no longer an economic calculus involved. You either tow large and often or your a poser.you'll lose your shorts on a diesel now a days, unless your making a paycheck with it. Go ahead and hit me with your juice everyone.
No juice....you're right
diesel where I live is cheaper than gas no doubt. Diesel is expensive because of the government taxes and lack of supply. It's basic economics
+clusterfuck3 Yes, the tax average is 22% federal and state combined. 78% is divided by 43% cost of crude, 14% refining, and 22% distribution and marketing. Lack of supply is being manipulated both overtly and covertly, to fulfill government contracts and maximize profits. It's always the little people that take it in the shorts. Look at the new report out on what Apple pays in taxes.
Diesel is the the waste from refining Gas. The EPA and all there wisdom saw that diesel was becoming in higher demand for the transportation of good for corporate America. Then the required refinery's to put additives in diesel that does nothing for the environment. Then the EPA said How can we make more money so the came up with DEF to be added by the end user. So Diesel went from Costing the refinery's next to nothing to produce, too the government sticking there fingers in to the making of a fuel so they can reap the taxes and regulation dollar from it. Proof of this. Here in Maryland we have OFF-Road Diesel that is only use in thing like my farm tractors. only difference is red dye is added to on road diesel and Taxes for on road diesel. Off road diesel cost under $2.00 and on road cost $2.29 in my area. Plus in Maryland there is no emission testing for Diesels
Yes but diesel is sexy....
The shop talk episodes are one of my favorites
Really appreciate these videos its helping me make my decision
As much as I love my '14 gas Silverado, when the time comes, my next truck will be a diesel. I would like to own one once before I die....and it sounds like a Diesel will outlive me since I'm now 50.
diesel all day long, nomatter what. even if its a grocery getter i would still get a diesel, i love turbos, i love diesels and i want the mpg of a diesel and i like the smell of them too. so diesel would be my choice for sure nomatter what
That's the best argument for diesel I've seen on here. Because you damn well want one!
Yup. I sjmply wamt a diesel amd thats all that makes my decision. I have a diesel jetta right now and its so great on fuel and its just better than any other csr i have driven i tjink
Yeah VW/Audi Tdi's are great, get over 620miles per tank if one drives in civil manner. The Polo 1.4Tdi does 57mpg lol.
I would strongly disagree with buying a diesel as a grocery getter. nothing worse.for a diesel than making a lot of short trips where it never achieves full operating temperature. I have a diesel, but of I didn't need one, I'd happily go back to a gasser.
i drive a lot still, so i may use it as a grocery getter sometimes but i do drive a lot so its not like it wouldnt get long trips ever
Definitely learned something. Thanks
This is a great video. Thx guys.
I want a 2004 Chevy sliverado 2500HD 4x4 6.6L duramax diesel
Maintenance costs and purchasing costs are what keeps me in the gasoline truck world. $4,500 for injectors is just unbelievable to me. The only time I’d see a repair cost like that on a gasser is replacing the engine or transmission, and most of those will go 250k miles if treated nice. I tow more than the average guy with a truck but I think these days the gas engine is just simply worth the extra savings, even if I tow twice a week, with moderately heavy loads.
Yeah but you really dont get much outta a gasser after 250-300k meanwhile a diesel going to run for 1m
Agree
@@airsoftcarm3969 WRONG
Guys! this was EXCELLENT!
revisiting this video after 4 years! Still got my Jeep CRD 3.0 running great. 190,000 miles and going
If only the Ford 6.2L Superduty had twin turbos. Then it would be a hands down gas for me. The cost of a diesel, plus the cost of maintenance scares the crap out of me. They talk about fuel injectors going and the cost to replace. I could drive a gas 6.2 for 200k and if I had to pay 5K to replace the engine, that's still worth it, over buying new!
@@electric7487 wow. I’m counting this as a record. You just replied to my post from 4 years ago! Right on man. 😁
I feel like an odd one out because when I went shopping for a truck to buy, I was interested in 2 doors and a longer bed. I have no desire to haul people around and consider having a rear bench seat a compromise I was willing to make on what I ended up buying.
I had a ram turbo diesel 2009ish and i got 630 miles(on highway) and 500 miles(in the city) on a single tank, (was chipped) but that is way more than any gas truck will get. Plus it still had power so no compromises. Only costed 16 grand to buy, its well worth the price if you ask me, and no DEF stuff, it would roll coal if you put your foot down.
I bought a 2009 diesel Ram 4X4 3500 because it would be the last truck I''d ever buy. When the time comes to sell it, it'll still look new, have less than 100 thousand miles on it and essentially have been trouble free as it has been so far, runs like brand new.
Thing is, buy what you want if you can afford it, especially if you're getting old like me. The upside is, I can tow anywhere, haul huge loads and not worry about straining anything.
The only issue I have with it is, I have to drive it like I stole it everywhere I go so it doesn't load up and go into limp mode as it did a few years back when I thought I'd try and see how good of mileage I could get.
Thing is, it only gained two miles per gallon over keeping my foot in it all the time. So drive it like you stole it and enjoy your ride.
You make a great point. We will probably choose gas because my spouse has a long highway commute and we only tow the travel trailers 4-5 times a year. The new Chevy HD's has a 38 gallon tank and a V8. These new gas trucks are the real deal.
Yeah, $11,000! Hah! You'll never get that back. Even if there is a real world mileage advantage, your truck will have its wheels driven out from under it before then. You don't buy such a powertrain because it will save you money, you buy it because it is what you need.
Not true I just sold my 2006 Duramax over 200,000 for $18,500 if it wasn't a diesel I'd have gotten $6,500 , so I got my money back. Every cent plus, I never towed anything except my buddies bobcat twice, and took care of my baby, I'm sorry I sold it.
Ranjit I'm not talking about value retention, I'm talking operating costs.
+emdec55 operation cost was $55.00 every oil change and air filter $50.00 that's all my costs to run the truck, after a gas truck pays for spark plugs wires and other things.? I'm sure it was more to run a diesel but not as much as people think, it was the first diesel I ever had, and I felt bad not doing anything, cause a gas truck your doing something every couple months, I'd go 6-8 months doing nothing. To me it's either or, I just got bit by the diesel bug. Never go back, it's nice not having to do anything for 6 months.
+Ranjit sorry fuel filter was $28.00
Ranjit Operating costs aren't limited to just oil and filter changes, it includes other types of regular service items + repairs. Also, your truck is a pre-DPF diesel, so you have nowhere near the complexity and cost of operation of a modern truck. Do you know how much an SCR system costs? How about a ULSD-only-common rail system? I'll give you a hint, it's what makes up the price premium over the gas engine.
“60k on a midsize?” Little did they know foreshadowing
Lmao
Just drove home from Larry Miller Dodge in Avondale, AZ, a brand new 2019 Dodge Ram Laramie 3500 w/ the Cummins High Output Diesel. 4x4, long bed crew cab with the 6 speed Aisin Transmission. The 100 mile drive home was a like a sweet dream.
Great video guys!
No emissions for my diesel. 2015 duramax 3500 fully deleted.
Tell us how much you paid for the truck and how much for the full delete. Oh, and bye-bye warranty.
+Eric Metz he is not the brightest crayon in the box..
+Eric Metz You know you can always put back the stuff you removed right?
+Eric Metz I really miss living in Texas no vehicle emissions testing
+Erik Kovacs Sure you can...good luck doing so.
How about you don't use an over sized truck to go to starbucks and go to work.
+Creme De La Creme well said.
+Creme De La Creme me too.
You're right Jeff K. My 2500 - 3/4 ton isn't my daily driver. It's my boat puller. There are millions of other vehicles that make better daily drivers than a 3/4 ton truck.
+phatsmitty a 2500 is only a 3/4 ton😂. We use 1600cc "Bakkies " like a corsa ute for that. My fiat strada was rated 750kg. Anything like a 2500 should be 1250kg minimum.
My father did that for 6 years. He drove his Ram 1500 everyday on his 70 mile commute and finally realized how pointless it is. He bought a Civic (can't really beat 40mpg) and he lets me drive the truck now so it's not sitting between camping trips. (my commute is only 6 miles so I don't mind the low mpg)
Mr. Truck is one smart guy. I also love how he gives the manufactures crud when they are in the cab of trucks when testing. If you listen to him he is really a smart cookie. great name for him, Mr. Truck.
As always GREAT!
this video could have been 3 mins long.
You start making videos then.
You could have not posted. See how that works?
I'm debating a new 2017 F250 gas/diesel. This vid pretty much made up my mind. I'm going with the 6.2L V8 gas. I'm not towing huge amounts of payload and I could care less about "rolling coal". Plus a finely tuned exhaust on an American V8 sounds sweet! I'm going gas to save $ so I can add other features. RW
Get gm or dodge lol ford not good 😊
wow, I'm will be purchasing an Airstream for family trips. This video was very insightful.
If you can afford an Airstream by all means get the diesel.
Great vid!
Had A 7.3 Ford it did great towing but I only towed the camper a couple of hundred miles about 4-6 times a year. A lot of things about a diesel can reach deep in your pocket, so I switched back to gasser that can still tow the camper.
I f I replaced the injectors on the 7.3- 1500-2000 dollars
OEM valve cover gaskets w/wiring harness ( no Dorman crap re-dos) was going to be 500 for both
might as well get glow plugs too while youre in there and not half-ass it...add another 100
so in parts alone you're into 2100 dollars and havent even taken the heads off yet for a weekend of DIY!
So 2100 dollars for less than a top end diesel job and I can replace the whole gasser engine with a good rebuilt for 3000 plus labor....the diesel off cab rebuild is around 7000+...so economically speaking I have two gasser engines that will easily take me 400+K miles.
Either you need to do hot-shot hauling with a diesel or do LOTS of towing to justify it economically.
Gavin H This is why I'm on the fence between gas and diesel, I currently have a 3/4 ton ram diesel and I love it especially pulling my 32ft fifth wheel camper out to Colorado but that's all I pull with it and I may get once or twice to actually go that far in a year anytime else I'm going to local campgrounds
Hi Dylan,
You might want to stick with a diesel...the 6.0 3/4 ton 2500hd I have would struggle with that kind of load...I have the older 4 speed transmission. I think the gassers with an 8000 lb tow load or less are a good option, but if you have more than that and/or huge hills I would keep the ram.
However I have heard the newer 6 speed transmission are far from being dogs. I would ask around before making the a switch. I went back to a gasser because I knew I was going to be keeping it around 6000-7000lbs
As much trouble as the emissions are on the diesel trucks, it is not hard to understand why people will remove those systems if they can. If you have trouble with a diesel HD pickup it will generally be emissions related and it can be very expensive and quite maddening to chase them down. Even heavy trucks today suffer from the diesel emissions curse. If I needed an HD pickup I would still buy a diesel, but a lot of the advantages have been regulated out of them.
our bosses 2015 f350 had a issue with the computer that controls the def bullshit and it limited us to 2 miles per fing hour its ridiclous theres no good reason for the computer to go at 50k miles
Hence why I deleted the dpf and cat converters on my truck. This plus the tune gives me way better fuel mileage and way more power.
lol "ford"
I had the same problem as Andre, but I replaced the injectors on my 4 cyl car in about an hour, taking time and beeing carefull. The refurbished injectors cost me 50€ each, the performance and millage were drastically improved. And the cost of diesel fuel in EU is actually less than gas, so even owning a diesel car pays off very fast if you drive it a lot, after 40k miles.
I have no emissions to worry about. 1985 Dodge D-150, 318 v8. Stripped all the stock emissions bullshit off, put a 4 inch stroker kit in it, bringing it too 390ci, stock ported heads, and Cono 268he cam. Also has edelbrock 650cfm 4bbl, vaccuum secondaries on top of a performer intake. Truck puts down 381hp@ 5,400rpm, 462lb-ft@3,200rpm at the rear wheels. Feels like a diesel down low, but actually has horse power to move the damn truck! Its wonderful!
People used to buy diesels because they last longer. They spin less RPM and have heavier components. But this was only for the older diesel injection systems. Mechanical, heui, IDI Etc. single shot injection. These new common rail direct-injected diesels aren't all that great. And the problems that go along with the injection system are very expensive. I'm not opposed to the technology. But think one should have their truck programmed to make the injector work a little less harder so they last longer. Way too many injection events for longevity. EPA bullshit. You get a little better fuel mileage then a gasser but the reliability is that of the Gasser with the modern diesel.
Most diesels are turbos, lots of gas truck are not. If you live in the mountains the turbo is a big benefit, but it's one more system to maintain/replace.
Never had a problem with my non turbo gas engine in the mountains.
+scrimmy6969 it's good that your truck is working for you. But, the laws of physics men that you have a lot less power in the mountains than at sea level. If your usage of a truck needs full power in the mountains then you need some form of forced induction.
+oceanwaves83 Very true, but more power is very a bad thing. In the mountains forced induction is the way to go if you want full power available.
Actually no gas trucks use to come with stock turbos until recently now that they have started putting these pussy ass 4 cylinder engines into full size trucks and the 4 cylinder engines are the only ones with turbos the V8 gas engines are naturally aspirated. Back when I was growing up and gas was cheap Dodge and Ford had V10 gas engines and Chevy had the big block 454, hell at one point they even put a 502 big block in their trucks, back then we had the saying there is no replacement for displacement!
Great discussion fellas
Great video 👍🏻 this brings the question of if the diesel is the golden ticket on a truck, or if it all boils down to having a turbo! Imagine an HD gas truck with a turbo...
"It depends on if your towing or just going to starbucks"
I can only hope none of these guys are going to Starbucks...
I tell ya man, nothing like 12V 5.9 Cummins. They just keep on running!
Hell yeah they would the 12 valve 5,9 Cummins rock! Plus on the 12 valve ones you can just tweak the injector pump plate to get over 200 extra foot pound of torque, you didn't even have to buy any parts to do it! You can't do that with the ones when they to the 24 valve ones. My dad had a 12 valve that had the injector pump plate tweaked and it was a rocket and I could take it over parleys mountain summit at 135 miles an hour and then he got a 24 valve that was supposed to have more power and it was a dog and even when he went to the 2001 high output with the 6 speed manual it would only do 95-98 miles an hour over parleys summit. That's why back then I knew a lot of guys that would get an injector pump off a 12 valve and throw it on their 24 valve 6 speed manuals.
The sad thing is they are wrapped in that crqppy 90s dodge platform
@@Ka_Gg yes very true.
1994 F350 Dually Crew Cab. I pulled a 35 foot fifth wheel with it. Smoked like crazy, three new injectors, cleaned the rest $1800.00 in 2002. It ran like a new truck after the fix. As a side note it was the first year for a Ford Turbo. I went from a two inch to 3 1/4 inch turbo housing ( if my memory serves me correctly ). Got 17 mpg on the highway and around town after that and from 5 to 9 towing.
I'm in the middle ground. I'm a electrical service tech in the oilfield and I went with the diesel due to the long-term use of it and the quality of the roads in the desert or lack there of. Been rock climbing in my 250 a few times out here just to get home. The extra ground clearance stock. I've put 60k miles this year so far and love it! Def isn't a issue as you can find it at the pump now days and if not it's not a problem to just carry a jug of in the bed.
It's to bad they never brought the Toyota Hilux (or however you spell it) over here with their little Diesel engines in them I heard they were practically indestructible!
problem is the injector wears out at 150k km and they cost 600$ each, the old Hilux 2000ish are beasts, cheap maintenance and the parts are not that expensive
They couldn’t get the engines pst the emissions standards. We drove them in South America on mine sites and proved the indestructibility...
I think if your willing to be a DIY n keep up your truck yourself and want mpg for trips n are willing to take it easy on the pedal and want to get your truck for the long haul, not just replace every few years, diesel is worth it no matter what u do with it, it has a lot better resale @200k miles and u can save a lot of money by runnin a diesel for twice to three times the lifespan of a gasoline truck
Very well said, I actually just got rid of my 10 year old Duramax and will but the new 2017 duramax
exactly right, i love my duramax
We bought a gmc 2001 new and had a hard time deciding between gas or diesel. It was the first year for the 8.1L and 6.6L it was a $1k option for the 8.1L or $10k for the 6.6L. We went with the 8.1L as we figured $9k buys alot of gas and diesel injector replacement is the same price as 2 motors. We pull 15,000 pounds and the truck has only had the fuel pump and trans done... we would have had more work to do on the diesel by now. The new diesel have to much technology and aren't built to last long like they used to be.
***** not all old diesels were made well....go find a 6.5L that lasted very long and it's the exception, old Navistar n cummins diesels may be that way though
Chris Rowlison ahaha yea that 6.5L was a joke. Just saying for us the cost for long term upkeep for the fuel mpg saving wasn't worth it. In the long run we made the right choice and the 8.1L is still running strong.
We pull a 36 foot fifthwheel with a 2010 Ram 3500 4x4, drw, crewcab, full 8 ft. bed, cummins. The truck scales 9180# with a large toolbox, 35 gal. auxillary fuel tank and my wife and I in it. The trailer scaled 14,200 just before we were to leave for Texas for the winter (this weight will fluctuate from time to time) for a total weight of 23,380#. We're pulling the trailer around 5 or 6 months out of the year. We bought the truck new and it took a couple of years to figure out the emission controls (they suck!). The clincher was getting caught in Creede Colorado with the evic telling me the DPF was 80% full and the engine needed to go into regen or we were going to go into limp mode. I called the service manager back home and he told me if the engine did not automaticaly go into regen I would have to take it to a dealership and have them force it into regen. To get out of Creede, either north or south there are 2 high mountain passes and I had no idea how far I would have to go to find a dealership. I asked the service manager if I were to take the truck out on the highway and locked it in 4th gear and ran the rpm's up around 2900 or so it I could make the truck go into regen. He said try it, I did and after 3 or 4 miles the evic announced regen had started. That did it for me. When I got home ALL the emission crap came off and we flashed the computer with a RaceMe tuner. Only added 40 horse so the trans and headgasket would live. We live in Iowa (no smog check) and went through Texas for a family reunion, then up into New Mexico and Colorado and back home, about 3400 miles. I changed the oil before we left with synthetic Delo and the oil is now slightly darker than honey. Before removing all the emissions crap the oil would be black as soon as the engine was started. It is no wonder all the used diesel trucks you see have around 100,000 miles on them, that's when the engine warranty ends. I realize our government doesn't give a rats behind, but these engines won't last if you force feed them their own soot, you turn a 500,000 mile engine into maybe a 150,000 or 200,000 mile engine, MAYBE. This truck doesn't smoke, you can idle it for hours and as clean as the oil stays the truck should last longer than me.
great video!
mmmh,,, you neglected the most useful feature of diesels... the engine brake. when towing, the safety this brings is well worth all the costs.
Diesel...... more power, last a long time, better mpg. Bad part, repairs cost a fortune. Also start up in cold weather conditions is a pain.
Isaac Spencer I've got both gas and diesel trucks. Power is more for lulling in a diesel but longevity isn't always better in a diesel. Especially th newer emissions crap trucks.
less power in diesels not more
David Stanley i pull horse trailers with diesels. they pull better then any gas truck i have used. diesel has more power
Diesel always has less power (horsepower) but more torque. BUT in case of turbocharged gas engine it's different. The same torque as diesel, but significantly more horsepower. I wonder why Americans don't put turbo gas V8s into pick-ups. Those would be insane.
Just one example of top-end diesel and top-end petrol V8:
Turbo-diesel: Audi TDI 4.0 V8 - 435 horsepower / 900Nm (663 lbf-ft)
Turbo-petrol: MB AMG 4.0 V8 - 604 horsepower / 850Nm (627 lbf-ft)
* this diesel uses 2 turbos + 1 electric compressor, whereas petrol only needs 2 turbos to achieve almost the same torque but significantly more horsepower.
I've been vacillating between a diesel and gas 1/2 T pickup. Specifically the RAM 1500 & the Colorado/ Canyon diesels vs the Chevy/ GMC 1500, Ford F150, Colorado/ Canyon gas. This really helped. If I do go with a diesel, I'm definitely going for a pre-owned at 55-60 K miles as they're just getting broken in
Hey what did you end up getting?
Great video! I've owned several diesel trucks in the past, meaning pre-2000's diesels. I would love to own another diesel again, but I won't buy one because, I simply can't justify owning one. I have nothing heavy to tow.
Maintenance and repair on newer diesels is insanely expensive. If you need to tow heavy things regularly get a diesel, if not stick with gas. I would consider buying an early 2000's Duramax , an old 7.3 PowerStoke, or a 12 valve Cummins, assuming they were in good condition, and well looked after. But, that would be almost like finding a unicorn.
if you buy a truck to use it like a truck get a diesel if you have a truck to get groceries you need a car
early Duramax engines have well known injector failures do your research before buying
Good video!
great video
can someone summarize what they said for me? lol
Diesels suck was what I heard. Hope this helps.
Filmed in a toaster oven?
Very excellent!
Thanks guys. I’ll buy the book, before I buy a truck.