Gas VS Diesel | Which Should You Choose for Your Truck
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Buying a truck and trying to decide between gas and diesel? I made this video to break down the differences, and show why I ended up going diesel. There’s no right answer for everyone, but there’s a right answer for you!
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"Don't haggle me on the price I know what its worth"
*kicks tire on rusty 2nd gen with 400k miles 😂
@@JustDiesels **slaps hood of LLY with blown motor**
"It ain't worth the tires its sitting on, but because I feel bad for you, ill offer you $$$$$$$"
Can you PLEASE make a video focusing specifically on the pros and cons of Older diesels (pre emissions) vs New Generation diesels? That would be so awesome !
Yeah I want to make a video head to head with a 5.9 third gen and 6.7 third gen Cummins. I feel like that’s the perfect comparison since everything is identical aside from the powertrain. Open to suggestions though!
@@JustDiesels you could even have a later 4th Gen or even 5th 6.7 Cummins when DEF was added to really compare with the two trucks you mentioned if you want to.
@@JustDiesels I’ve heard that the ‘03 model was very last model to have no emissions including no catalytic converter. Something about The injectors only spray twice instead of three times in the 03-04, so those injectors and engines are suppose to last longer than other years (from what I’ve researched). I’ve also have heard in other videos that the 2003 Cummins is the most fuel efficient year model.
That would make a cool video to discuss those points as well.
@@JustDiesels please make that video
@@spencersgarage That is correct, the 06-076 5.9 trucks like mine have a third injection event for in cylinder EGR. It's also true that the 03-05 trucks get the best fuel economy. That said all the HPCR 03-05 Common rail 5.9 trucks are subject to injector failure. It's primarily due to poor filtration and high fuel injection pressures. That's why extra fuel filtration on those trucks is so important! I have a 2 micron cat fuel filter on my fass.
I'm a gas guy, I enjoy wrenching on a gas engine, I love the sounds and revvs. If I was towing all the time I would get a diesel truck, or if I was overlanding as more of my automotive hobby I would get a diesel. I love the sound of the late 80s and late 90s diesel engines. I think overall I enjoy gas engines a bit better because thats what I was taught on so I understand that engine type better.
The sounds, smell, feel of a diesel is worth it alone
Amen
All opinions though
Diesel exhaust makes my eyes water to be honest.
But that's not stopping me from dropping a p-pumped 5.9 into my 78 Ford!
Diesel is 100 times more toxic than gasoline.
Wouldn’t diesels be good, sure the weight is more but doesn’t the diesel make up for fuel efficiency?
The only reason you should get a diesel is if you have a use for it. If you're not towing or if you don't do a minimum of an hour commute to work theres no point in owning a diesel. As a HD mechanic the maintenance factor is a larger factor then you seem to take it as. Maintenance isn't something you can take lightly because realistically you can't ignore properly maintaining a vehicle. While you're right about some parts remaining the same, majority of parts are far more expensive to compensate for the extra weight, torque, etc. Another thing you said well was about the stop and go traffic, that I'd absolutely terrible for a diesel engine. Offroad equipment and gensets typically have the highest life expectancy of diesel engines due to the fact that they are held at one consistent rpm for their life span. Followed by long haul tractors. Another factor you didnt mention is climate. Gasoline has a flash point of -40°c (-40°f) while diesel can vary from 52-96°c (126-205°f). You're topic about resale value I feel was somewhat pointless as the variance between the 2 prices was essentially the extra it cost to throw the diesel in from factory. While yes it is a nice thought the only real time resale value is important is if you're flipping vehicles or a salesman. Resale on a diesel is also a lot higher because of maintenance. The maintenance you throw into a diesel is significantly higher than a gasoline truck. While the fuel may be better in a diesel there is still decent options for fuel efficient gas trucks. My coworkers 2019 dodge ram 1500 gets about 8L/100KM (roughly 29 mpg) if I remember correctly which is used as his commuter while he has a 2019 duramax used for towing and strictly that. That's just my 2 cents but at the end of the day it's your dime not mine, do whatever floats your boat.
well said
@@constantinsanity9814 thank you
That’s all fair, but compare a 250,000 mile cummins vs a 250,000 mile Hemi and there’s a big difference. I’d buy the diesel, but you’d have to give me the hemi. The best thing about the Cummins dodges is that Dodge doesn’t make them...
You buy the engine, it just comes wrapped in a Ram.
@@f5tornadeau yeah that's true comparing but 250,000 hemj vs cummins... The hemi would be cheaper to fix with that mileage than a cummins. Injectors in a cummins are super expensive compared to hemi injectors, especially if it's a common rail injector.
6.4 hemi or 6.7 cummins?
Value of a Ram 1500 Hemi vs 2500 with a Cummins, no contest!!! I’ll never own a gas truck. Love my ‘03 Cummins!
A modern gas truck isn’t too bad! Had many diesels back a while ago. Now I’m a bit older in my young 30’s got a first new truck a 19’ Ram Sport 1500 and it’s nice, smooth power, 8 speed trans and a good ride quality. But I here you on your 03’ Cummins that’s a nice truck to have! I had a 12v 1996 2500 with the 5 speed long bed and it burnt in a wild fire! So hold onto your truck especially if it’s well kept and decent condition because they are getting hard to find I’ve been looking a while
@@longboardguy yeah I feel like as you age you really enjoy a smoother quieter ride. I’m still young so I like being obnoxious lol
Stick with your 03. My newer diesel comes with a lot of extra (unwanted) equipment
@@xInline6 I hear you I was the same haha I’m not even that old yet but it’s funny how age does work. I still like any old school Cummins loud though!
@@JeffBrauss that’s true! If I buy a diesel again it will be a nice shape older one Gen 3 and down for me nothing newer then a 03! Just personal preference
In the Rust Belt pushing snow and pulling landscape trailers there is no difference between Diesel and gas. they all rot away at the same rate🤣
Lol
Unless you actually take care of it. Own a 2004 duramax dually, without a speck of rust anywhere, and i live in south central pa. All I do is hose it down after a snow storm. 10 minutes. Well worth it for years and years of reliable and safe service
The real rust belt is the northeast. Salting roads almost 5 months a year in my state of Vermont with our long winters just eats up steel.
Cover your undercarriage with petroleum jelly or fluid film.
He does kinda have a point living in Michigan we’re the salt the roads in the winter you really don’t get the life out of the Diesel engine before the body is trashed by rust
4:08 ,that delivery guy was checking out your rig😎
That diesel and transmission do weigh a lot more. I have owned both and currently have a 2019 Ram 2500 Longhorn with the Hemi. One stat that these comparisons seem to not really mention is the cargo /payload advantage that the gas has over the diesel . I'm able to load almost 800 lbs more than the same truck with a diesel. That's something that should be considered when deciding.
Unless you tow very heavy, new diesel trucks just aren’t worth it. They’re more expensive, more costly to repair, more costly to maintain, less refined, less of an MPG gap, and less reliable (due to emissions equipment that are now virtually impossible to delete).
If you can find a pre emissions, rust free, low mileage diesel; yes buy it. A new truck made in last couple years? Buy a gasser unless you absolutely need the diesel for towing.
The pre-emissions trucks are selling at way to high of a price to justify it in my opinion. 20k for a truck that’s 15 years old, most likely rusting, worn out suspension and beat to crap by all these 20 year olds is not worth it. You can a gas truck with the same miles for 1/2 of what a diesel costs. Not to mention the cost of fuel treatment in the winter, plus higher maintenance cost, if you don’t tow on a consistent basis it’s not even close to being worth it.
What would you say if you plow a lot of snow? I’m stuck right now, diesels are very expensive new right now and you can get a gas 2500 new for about 50k where I live, I plow a lot of snow and right now I’m tired of having togo 40 mph in my 17 Chevy 1500 with a western enforcer HTS plow and anytime I go over 45 I start going over 210 on the temp really looking at getting a 2500 just don’t know what to get
@@scottgentz334 Exaggerate much? LOL. I know used cars are getting pricey now, but 20k and you won't be far off from a basically pristine truck with no issues.
@@bigballz4u lol you show me these “pristine” trucks for 20k
@@scottgentz334 Here's one, sold for a couple grand less than that at 50,000 miles. I don't know what your issue is, but these kinds of numbers aren't hard to find.
Bought my '03 Cummins with a manual trans about 3 years ago for $15k. Spent about $3.5k so far, fixing various issues including a new set of injectors. My insurance currently has it valued at $25k. I'm quite content with my purchase to say the least. It's been a fantastic truck and even though I get people constantly offering me more than what I paid and put into it, I'd never sell it!
What company is this I need them so I can get a book of matches and a check
Diesel if you’re towing all the time,other than that it’s not a big deal.
Bought my first diesel truck in 14 and I will never look back as I take long hauls pulling around 7-9k lbs and I literally drive as if there was nothing back there, one subject you forgot to touch is the exhaust brake which is a game changer.
Woah finally a dude with some brains and some computer skills on youtube. Thought id never see the day someone would make it big explaining all of this stuff
Good article. A few more things to think about for most people. I am a diesel fan. But according to your numbers, the 6 to $7000 difference in New price is almost offsets the trade in value. The oil change price is almost equal to difference in fuel mileage. Then you add in deff and filters of newer, there is more cost. Cold climate starts with no heater plugged in can be another factor. Diesel ic no good in city short drives. Diesels are great for longer commuits, if you haul a lot of weight, or tow a lot. You are right about fuel. One time diesel is higher the next time gas is higher. I penciled it in and if gas is cheaper and diesel got 4 miles to the gallon, not counting the more expensive oil changes, it would have taken 180,000 to break even on cost in 2001 when we bought our diesel. Diesels are great if you plan on keeping it for a long time or haul-pull weight. It would be a tough decision for me now where I don't haul as much weight. With the 35 cent difference in fuel price right now, it would be a hard choice. Problem with gas PU right now is nothing much better than14-16 mpg.
As a diesel owner since 2006, I tell those who ask that I would not own a diesel that is newer than 2007 unless I am using it for commercial purposes and can pass the expenses along to customers.
Having both gas and diesel, I’ll stick with the diesel, I get the same fuel economy but the truck tows better, that and the diesels sound better as well
I like how you talked about the parts being similar but I feel maintenance is way more expensive on diesels, injectors 2500$ gasser 500$. High injection pumps diesel 1500$ gasser.... Ford ecoboost are comparable to diesels fuel mileage and they tow enough for a nice sized trailer... plus they don't ride like a diesel in the street stock for stock. I currently own an lml duramax. Oil changes, fuel filters more expensive on diesels. I think regardless if your not going to be using the Max towing capabilities the diesel isn't real worth it. If you just want raw torque that'll blow your mind... DIESEL ALL DAY! but if not ecoboost motors are a close runner up! And resale is really only important if you think you ll sell it.. that's my opinion
I used an eco boost recently after hearing all the negativity from people in my area, and he ride quality was decent but what truly blew my mind was the acceleration, it truly put me bac in the seat, that is when I was empty. I towed a 4,000lb loaded trailer and got 9.9 mpg(I do admit I also have tools in the bed) Now I pulled that same trailer with my 6.7 powerstroke and there was a night and day difference in handling, acceleration, and braking. I also got 14.5 mpg doing it. So for me In most cases i'm using a diesel.
@@jakewashburn5924 I totally agree they're fast trucks with a lot of potential for even more power just like a diesel but I don't feel like you can compare the ride towing because its a 1500 to 2500.. that's stiffer frame stiffer suspension and how much more power like conservatively speaking 500lbs ft of torque more than the ecoboost? So I think it makes total sense with your experience. But we've towed a 28ft toyhauler to Glamis for 13hrs and got 8mpg the whole way but it also weighted a lot more in a deleted lmm. But I was just saying bang for your buck I think if you want diesel like power with cheaper maintenence and you don't have a super big trailer an ecoboost is pretty cost effective. My grandpa has a 15 f150 ecoboost and gets 19mpg city and 21-22 highway and loves hot rodding it haha and when he needs to tow his camper hooks up his duramax.
I actually had an ecoboost back in 2012 and LOVED that truck. The thing was a rocketship! I will say though that my 06 beats it in terms of fuel economy and I’ve found the trucks to be very similar in terms of maintenance aside from the third gen simply taking a larger quantity of oil. I loved that ecoboost but I don’t regret switching at all!
@@JustDiesels nice yeah I think for me, I want to get a ranger or that new bronco coming out as a Daily and keep the miles down on my "tow pig" haha I just had to pay 10,000 for the new fuel system on it since that cp4 is garbage! Grenaded the whole system. Runs like a champ now with that cp3 conversion.
We have been very impressed with GMs new 6.6l gasser. The power is decent, but the mileage is really impressive at ~16mpg on the hwy. The ford 7.3 is a beast in power, but we have seem some dependability issues.
Good video. Thanks man. I'm shopping for a new truck right now and am contemplating this decision. I definitely have almost zero need for a diesel truck; I just want one.
I have owned gas trucks in the past and when I do tow with it, I hate it. I hate the long trip back home over mountain passes screaming away at 4500 rpm up a big hill. My last two cars have been diesel and I have to say, they are so much more enjoyable to drive and the fuel economy is worth it. The maintenance costs are a little higher, but not bad. I wouldn't say I spent anything specifically on the engine but you do get charged more for the same basic maintenance from the dealer which is common on the gas and diesel variants. If you're doing this stuff yourself, I don't think you'd notice the difference. Sure I do a lot of in town trips but I can always take the girls gas vehicle if I really need to.
I think I'm going to go with the diesel despite it costing a ton for a fully loaded truck, even used. I know that first long haul trip out of town in the gas truck, if I bought it, I'd regret it immediately.
Bro what do you think about 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 3.0 l duramax turbo diesel ? I’m about to buy one ., I never own one ., what do you think should I buy one ?
the resale value gap can be accounted for the initial upcharge for the diesel engine. Initial upcharge $6k, value at 300k miles $17k diesel - $11k gas = $6k. But that doesn't account for the increased cost of ownership of the diesel, so you still come out behind. The only reasons to buy a diesel is if you are actually working it, or if you are an enthusiast.
Your comment is dead on! "A diesel holds it value...." Every diesel owner says that. The '12 example was perfect. Apples to apples, the '12 diesel cost $6k more than the gasser and with every mileage mark, the used value was the same $6k. I would hope if I spent $6k more on truck #1 instead of truck #2, it would maintain a $6k higher value over its life. A good example of holding value is a Ford Focus and Toyota Corolla. If both cost the same new, but at 150k miles, the Corolla is worth more than Focus, the Corolla has a better resale value. If both vehicles decline in value at the same rate, they hold the same resale value.
I think the third gen trucks might serve as a better example though since they’re actually “older” trucks now. There’s a big discrepancy between the 30 something thousand dollar asking price for the diesel models and the low teens of the gas trucks. That initial up front investment is never lost, so the real defining difference becomes operational cost and maintenance. Unfortunately it’s hard to calculate out exactly how maintenance costs will shake out.
@@JustDiesels I think the inflated value of older trucks is just residual fall out from the early emissions problems. As those systems get better, or as it becomes easier to defeat them (or sanity returns to the EPA), I'm sure the values of 15+ year old trucks will decrease precipitously. I certainly wouldn't buy a diesel just for the resale value, either work it or play with it but it's not an investment.
I own a 2011 Chevy Silverado with the 5.3l gas V8 that has 93k miles on it. I love how the truck rides and drives since it’s my daily driver and I do often drive short distances so it works for me. I haven’t had a single thing mechanically go wrong with the truck (knock on wood) and it has been serving me well. I bought it brand new from the dealer and have taken very good care of it so there’s something to add as far as knowing the type of driving you put on the truck as opposed to buying second hand and not knowing exactly how the previous owner drove the truck or how well it was taken care of. I do plan on replacing my Silverado with a 2500 diesel in the future and I find myself balancing on a beam between a Duramax and Cummins. I have always liked those Dodge (RAM) HDs but have heard some reliability issues that concern me for the trucks longevity. It wouldn’t be used so much as a work truck but more or less a family hauler that can carry all of our gear on road trips and with the potential into maybe some over landing adventures. That leads me to my next debate, independent front suspension or a solid axle? I really dig what those guys at CJC Off-road are doing and would maybe venture that route as far as upgrading the suspension on the truck. Anyway. Sorry for the rant but that’s where my mind goes when I look into getting my next truck. I want something that works for my personal needs and being that I’m a longtime Chevy guy I may need to either be convinced or sold on a RAM with the Cummins diesel. I know all these trucks have their highs and lows.
I owned nothing but Ram trucks for about 25 years all gas engines and just recently got a 2010 Silverado 2500 HD with a LMM Duramax and I love it, it’s the first Chevy I’ve ever owned. As I get older I have moved away from being a one brand truck guy. I know the guy who had the truck before me, he bought it brand new and only had to do normal maintenance to it. It’s got 120k miles on it. My point is don’t limit yourself to just one brand of truck because you could end up missing out on a good one.
What I just saw about resale value was that they’re equal. The increase for a diesel is the same new or used but it’s the same.
I agree, but it does chip away at the “negative” aspect of the higher initial cost.
@@jc7435 yes it does depending on how long you plan on keeping the truck. Everyone that I’ve heard talk about new diesels says to make damn sure you get rid of it before the warranty expires. If that’s what everyone says about a truck I certainly won’t be the person buying one at 100,000 miles.
@@Denali_Rebel I agree, makes me wonder if the new diesels will enjoy the higher resell price of the older diesels.
@@jc7435 I am wondering the same thing. I know I wouldn’t be the guy to buy that truck.
In my opinion it comes down to what you’re using it for in the case of a diesel if you’re using it to mostly tow or travel long distances for extended periods of time yes diesel would probably be a better option it can haul the heavier weight and 8 out 10 chances get better fuel mileage than a gasser but at the same time the gasser holds it own because it can get good fuel mileage I have personally witnessed this with my Ram 5.7 Hemi and non mds at that, as well as most parts are cheaper especially an oil change, I use 7 quarts in my truck where a small car would probably use 4-5 but a diesel uses like 15 quarts. Colder months can be harder on a diesel because the fuel could gel up if there’s no additive and where it runs off compression and not spark. I’ve owned a 2005 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 and a1998 Ford F-150 5.4 for many years and they have served their purpose very well, I haven’t ever hauled anything they couldn’t handle and both have bigger fuel tanks so mileage hasn’t been an issue. I do agree that diesel’s will hold their value better especially if properly maintained but unless you’re handy with tools diesel mechanic’s can be more costly and in my opinion gassers are just more simple to work on especially the older ones. So as I previously stated it boils down to what it’s used for, so some 16yr old that got a F-350 for a bday present from mom and dad that’ll never actually use it is honestly just a waste of a perfectly good truck although the salesman is pretty happy and I’m not gonna lie if someone wanted to just give me one I would definitely appreciate the opportunity and use it for some of the heavier workloads that I’ve encountered but I’m not gonna pay more money for something I can get done with my gasser and they’re paid off so that’s my opinion thx
Iv always wanted a first or second gen Cummins, however I drive a much cheaper 1st gen Dakota with the 318, I’m at 425,000 miles on the original power train.
I’ll pick gas. I’m a diesel mechanic.
@Chris L Initial cost of diesel machine doesn't offset fuel efficiency gains for a few years is something to be aware of. Emission system failures even within warranty period are very common on diesel machines. Non-warranty failures of fuel injection systems(half a tank of water from fuel station) are very common. Diesel fuel at any station is saturated with emulsified water. This water saturated fuel is scrubbed of most water with the filter systems on diesel trucks but it doesn't capture all, leading to premature injector failure which WILL not be covered by warranty. This can be combated somewhat by aftermarket filter/water separation systems and the use of fuel treatment WITH LUBE. If you look at gas machine in I'm assuming a 3/4 or 1 ton chassis I would research which trans it comes with and buy the heavier duty trans that's available. Gas engines can have minor reliability issues also but rarely any of the expensive failures common with diesel machines. There can instances depending on what you need to tow where the diesel is your only choice.
@Chris L no problem Brother.
@@singlespeedman great explanation. I drive semi trucks and let me tell you, I agree and also looking at getting a gas engine pick up. My thing is, if you planning to make money from your truck diesel. If not gas.
@@singlespeedman thank you!! I've been leaning towards gas too. I never owned a diesel truck and don't want to. My research so far has led me this way. And your comment.
i drive trucks dpf is the big headache
Ive owned 3 5.9s. 91, 03, 04.5. Awesome trucks! Though i sold my 03 and 04.5 rigs, i greatly miss them they were solid. Right now I still have the 91 and a '13 5.0 F150. Though gutless in the bottom end, the F150 has been great. Much less maintence and repairs then the older diesels. Id find it hard to go back to diesel with the tighter regulations coming in the foreseeable future. The cost of maintence and repairs can put a man in debt easy. If you want a truck with killer resale value and is low maintence - Toyota Tundra.
Good point. Had a 97 7.3. Sounded amazing fun to beat own and got decent mpg. But gas especially the the 5.0 is a great motor granted u gotta wind it out cuz it gets power on the top end. If its a daily and not alotta towing gas is ok. But your right tundras with the 5.7 especially the optional supercharger are underappreciated
My brother and I both have 1996 dodge rams. He has the diesel and I have the v10 gas. Both have 300k miles and he definitely has spent a lot more money on repairs.
4:07 I like how the guy looks back at the truck lol
I drive a badass 2018 Tundra Crewmax 4x4 and i love it with the mods I’ve done to it , CAI, Cat Back Exhaust, NSV light bar. Etc.
I drive a 14.6 liter turboDiesel Caterpillar semi truck mon-fri
I must say I prefer v8 gas trucks for the personal use.
A semi and light duty diesel drive WAY different. Hop in one and you’ll see
@@tommyhawk906 haha I know I was just giving my credibility with my big diesel truck.
I also have a 2008 Ram 4x4 with the 6.7 Cummins but I use that as a service truck. It’s nice with torq for pulling up hills but like I said I still prefer myTundra for regular daily/personal Driving.
@@Jaimeleon20 im in a kenworth all day too I definitely understand you. Sometimes you just wanna hear a v8 instead of another diesel that reminds you of work lol
I'm sure someone else has already pointed this out, but I wanted to make a note that at 300K miles, the diesel is worth $17K and the gasser is worth $11K. The difference is $6K....which is the original price difference between the diesel and the gasser. In fact, the price difference at each of your mileage points was $6K. Doesn't seem like there's much of a difference in depreciation between the two in the long run.
Exactly. So taking into consideration higher of overall cost of ownership gas engine takes the crown.
EC/LB dually with LB7 duramax, no emissions at all that year, 100k miles, Bought it bone stock, currently 600+ HP. I'll own it until the zombie apocalypse. And I daily drive it.
I have a 2000 f250 7.3l and a 2009 dodge ram 2500 5.7 Hemi. And both are great trucks.
As someone who recently bought a 2011 ram 2500 with the 5.7, I don’t regret not getting the diesel. While I wanted one I couldn’t justify the price increase for my usage, and my gasser tends to out do all my coworkers diesels in a drag. The only down side is I average 9-10 mpg at 4-5000 feet above sea level.
Didn’t know they made a 2500 with the 5.7. Is it deathly slow?
@@carguy0389 no it's a really fast truck, just can't haul as much as the other engines.
@@darkendbeing no it’s a slow truck lol
@@Whatisgoingon-od9yb only if it's geared wrong, mine has 373's and gets up and goes just fine.
Just traded in my 18 power wagon for a 19 2500 Cummins and you couldn’t be more spot on about fuel economy, and value retention! In my area in Colorado I had been seeing 100k plus 2013 or older 6.7 Cummins selling for 37k that’s around all my power wagon was worth at 2 years old with 50k on it! I loved my power wagon but getting 5 mpg up a steep incline in Colorado was ridiculous my Cummins gets triple that!
That is an eye opener. I have the Cummins and it does pretty good now, but when I first bought it the EGR stuff was a PITA to keep it working. If I sell it (08 Dodge 2500 QC) maybe I should take it to Colorado to sell since it has under 73,000 miles. Locally in New Mexico, one dealership has "offered" $17,000 but I haven't agreed to sell it yet. I've added a few things for camping & stuff so it has another $2,000~ $3,000 worth of stuff on it.
Big market in Colorado for diesel and any vehicle on average seems to sell/cost more in this state! Definitely worth a shot! Even advertising it in Colorado on Facebook market place would probably get it sold!
@@chadklein2135 I'll keep it in mind. Once this pandemic is more under control I'll feel more like travelling. Neither my wife or I want to risk anything right now. I have relatives in the State, so I think I can find a market and a place to stay if I go that route. It is a good idea, since I'm sure the local dealer won't give with me as much as I would like to get.
I agree with the majority of this. I do however feel that there is a stigma that if you’re pulling “heavy” loads that diesel is the only way to go. Honestly most modern gas trucks are incredibly capable of hauling these loads. People get it stuck I. Their heads that “I work my trucks hard so I need diesel” when in reality we’re talking pretty short trips with weight that’s not even considered that excessive. I used my 1997 Single cab short bed 2wd Chevy with the Small V-8 (305) to pull a 1972 K10 (lifted) on a car hauler from Paso Robles to Chico (7 hours) up grades, flats etc. and it made it fine. Not recommending it but just picture the size difference and it did it.
Definitely our 2015+ GMs gassers pull pretty good and the 7.3 ford is a beast.
@@dozerboyd8784 Have you driven a Ford with the 7.3 gas engine? What did you learn from it.
I have a 96 Ram with 95k original miles and I completely agree with this 100%
Also I’m getting a 05 diesel from my friends dad for about 24k and it I my has around 65,000 original miles he’s the only owner!
That's a damn good deal. I can't find anything under 250k miles for that price
Awesome video, as always. I agree with basically everything. Used to drive a 6.0 powerstroke that actually treated me pretty well. Anymore, I just really don't have a use for a diesel which is why I drive Toyotas now. Yeah, I sacrifice some fuel economy but I don't care so much as I more than make up for that in reliability, build quality and resale value.
I get 22-24 mpg on my 2020 Silverado 5.3 , max tow, 8 speed, highway driving flat highways near sea level not towing. I got the same or better with my 2015 and 2017 both a 5.3's with a 6 speed. (my 2000 Silverado 4.3 six could only do 17 highway) I can afford a diesel, but it makes no sense to me in 2020. Diesel fuel is more expensive in PA and DE where I live. We tow an 8,000 pound boat short distances. All 3-5.3's did/do that easily. I think the max tow on the 2020 is near 13,000. I do agree diesel is cooler. It just does not make sense for my situation in $$. Thanks for an informative video. I enjoyed and have subscribed. Maybe I'll go the oil burner route down the road. Who knows...
I agree, diesel resale makes up for the initial cost and lower fuel cost and a stronger better performance and livability make diesel much more enjoyable. I have the Cummins in a 3500 dually and love that Cummins motor.
I would have to agree with you. Seems the new price of gas or diesel trucks is so close but the resale after 150k miles is so much greater with diesel trucks, it makes sense to take the hit up front.
I love diesels. But I have no use for one. Unless you tow there’s no use for a diesel. You compared Ram for Ram. But if you get into Toyota territory. Well. Even those are higher in actual market value than KBB listings. And cost of ownership is also less than any Cummins diesel.
Thank you so much Andrew for your outstanding work, have a great day.
I own a 916k mile 04 Ram 3500 5.9 H.O. and I absolutely love it! Was purchased with 37k original miles. I also have a 2017 Ram 3500 6.7 that’s about to hit 400k that was bought brand new. I love these diesel pickups, they’re reliable when maintained properly!
Are Cummins more reliable than power stroke and duramax ?
I have an 06 w/80k now and I’ve turned down several offers over 30k. Now the only thing I will say is that these trucks are meant to be driven. Maybe even driven hard for a good portion. I’ve broken a few things literally from not using it enough so now I drive it way more.
One important thing you didn't factor in the resale of a gas vs a diesel is how much more you pay for a diesel in the beginning. In addition, one thing that I noticed in the 26 years that I drove big trucks (semi's), is that diesel always costs more than gas, and unless you can easily fuel at a truck stop, the pumps are harder to find on average. You're kind of restricted to the highway if you easily want to fuel.
So, back to the cost of diesel. If you add up how much more you spend at the pump, and when you can find one, the little bit in more miles per gallon isn't a savings. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of diesels in pickups, but unless I was regularly pulling heavy loads, I'd just go with the convenience of having a gas engine. The cost of maintenance, the problems with DEF, EGR systems, injector pumps and other EPA mandates for diesels, make it sort of a rich mans toy.
Very helpful comment, thanks. Looking at getting my first truck this year. Was hooked on the idea of a diesel but I truly have no reason to get one. Better off with a gas truck. Chevy gas trucks any good in comparison to a ram? (Looking at the 1500’s)
i just purchase a 2023 ford f350 with the gas 7.3 and i totally love it. let me explain you how i arrive to this choice. i order and save 10,000$ because i order a gas compare to a diesel . where i live in north of canada, the diesel is a lot more than 87 octane gas, plus you have to put def witch we have problem here with really cold weather . another reason why i go gas is about what i towing, a truck camper about 4000 pounds and a 5000 pounds trailer, so for what i tow
, i don' t need a diesel to do the job. i plan to keep for at least 15 - 20 years. i am a diesel mechanic and i just see that all these new diesel now, you will not run 10 years without a problem on emission, turbo, injector or fuel pump. all my friends that drive diesel truck here, they start to be anxious when warranty is over because the fuel pump that run 35,000psi, they are not eternal , so might have to be replace plus the injector , so you cry when you see the bills. so for me i am conscient that i will put more gas compare to same truck diesel but for the cost of filling i be close if i check the price of diesel and def , cheaper cost for service, not worry about run it at idle for long time compare to diesel in cold weather, don't have to worry about a failure on turbo, high pressure fuel pump, injector, problem with def. about the resale value, i not really care about it because after keep my truck for 15-20 years, it will not worth that much. and for sure a diesel truck have more value than a gas, you pay 10,000$ more at purchase , so i hope you get some of your money back. so these are my reason why i decide to go gas, but for sure diesel are beast
It's simple, I have one of each, I drive about 50/50 on the miles I put on them.
The repair costs, the diesel usually costs about twice as much for repairs, this is just a fact of life and also why I got the Hemi to cut miles down on the diesel.
1 tiny example, thermostat for Hemi (OEM) $40, Thermostat (OEM) Cummins $150.
My 3500 dually Ram gets about 14mpg, deleted.
My Hemi 1500 gets 17 mpg.
After driving 100's of thousands of miles on Cummins Rams, I will say that I love them, will always love them and they are very powerful, however they are heavy.
My Hemi is much quicker, faster response to throttle input, I think this is due in part to it being less than half the weight and maybe due to the fact that I have never owned a 3/4 ton Cummins truck therefore all mine have been heavy dually haulers.
I turn heads when I am parking lots with my 01 Cummins. Can’t beat the sound of them. Also just bad ass to have a Cummins.
Ya people love to look at carnage. So they are waiting for that rattle can to explode... lol... JK
@@dozerboyd8784 Not at all. This engine will go for over 400000 miles. I just broke 100000 last week.
@@Thepriest39 they can even go to a million miles too. I seen a 01 dodge with a 24 valve hit 1.7 million miles.
Are Cummins more reliable than duramax and power stroke ?
I have had the Silverado 8.1 Allison and a f350 460 5spd both ran great past 300k miles but the mpg was terrible. I like the older 7.3 and pre emission Cummins both are pretty easy to work on yourself.the other thing really nice on the diesel is the engine braking if your going to tow or haul in the mountains
So, spend $6000 upfront get $6000 back when you sell it? I’m sorry but that doesn’t mean it’s holding it’s value more. It’s literally the same depreciation.
I have absolutely no need for a diesel however my father in law has a cummins and some ford's that are diesel and man do they sound amazing and drive amazing. My wife and I are currently renting trying to save and find the opportunity to buy a house so we were looking for a truck.
Found a 98 dodge 3500 dually with a v10 and 111k miles. Superrrrr clean, 1 owner only used it to tow a camper so it was already setup with a 5th wheel. MPG isn't the best but we use it as a third car that only gets driven on the weekend if even that when we need to move stuff. I love that v10 though super smooth!
Still running my second gen Cummins, but I also have a gasser for shot round town trips.
Which that makes sense right there.
I love driving my 97 12v she's a dog, definitely even with me messing with the fuel plate, had 2 case trucks in my life and honestly I'm 99% positive I'm sticking with Diesels. My 03 lb7 put that final nail in the coffin to the diesel world
I recently bought an 04 Silverado 2500 with the gas engine. It was only at 90k and I got it for 10k. An equivalent truck with the duramax would’ve been easily 20k. Especially down here in Florida were stuff lasts. It works good for me it gets terrible fuel economy but the duramax of that year wouldn’t do much better. Overall it’s dang near the same truck, put a lift and running 35”s and it handles it no problem. Really all I could afford was a 10 thousand dollar vehicle since I don’t finance so the gasser was a no brainer at that point. In a perfect world tho, I’d take the diesel all day.
I’ve owned two Tacomas and I’ve been driving a 1500 Silverado and a gas 2500 Silverado for years, but I just bought a lbz Sierra and for the foreseeable future I won’t ever buy another gasser. I tow a dump trailer up and down the cajon pass in California and struggled in the gassers to maintain the speed limit and still have sufficient power but in this duramax it’s like I’m not towing at all. The truck puts down power completely stock and I can’t wait to upgrade the engine and get a good tune.
I’m now joining the race to find a first gen Cummins like the one in this channel
Maintenance in a sense is and isn’t the same. You have to get oil changed every 3-5k miles (or used to idk about now) on gassers. Especially if they’re synthetic, you’re running about the same price on a diesel since you can go double the mileage. But I do agree with everyone that having to do fuel filters, lift pumps, injectors, etc etc. if you got a bad truck it’s gonna be WAY more expensive than a gasser
Dope video as always great content and badass how you don’t bash gas trucks and just put out key points 👍🏽
Yep! I've owned gas and diesel and for me diesel just makes sense! There's plenty of times where gas can make more sense too though. All depends on your needs and use!
Never had a diesel but I want one.
I would choose the diesel one. Love the cluttering engine noise. Sound cool.
I manage a fleet of trucks that do hot shot hauling in Texas and N. Dakota, and I can tell you we have shifted nearly 75% of our fleet way from diesel trucks. We are mainly running F-350's with the 7.3L V8 Godzilla motor.
The issue with the diesels is the long term maintenance. It is so expensive. When you factor in entry cost, maintence cost, and long term repair costs, there is no comparison between the two types of trucks.
Our F-350's with the 7.3L V8 motors tow 20,000 lbs. I can also confirm they'll tow more then that when needed. We will always keep 10-15 F-450 diesels for our loads that are 20,000 lbs plus, but they are a fraction of the weight we tow. Typically, we average 15,000-17,000 lbs on our heavy loads, and 9-13,000 lbs for our medium loads.
The 7.3L is running around 9.8 mpg with max towing and the diesels run around 12 mpg max towing. At $4.59 diesel here in Texas vs. $3.22 gas it is a no brain for the gas.
We have about eight 7.3's now with 150,000 plus miles and I can tell you not a darn thing has been done to them other then maintenance. The previous Power STrokes were not hte case at this point. Hell, just on oil changes we have saved thousands of dollars across the board!
2020 Ram Power Wagon (hemi) here and my cousin has a 2020 Cummins. Both are badass trucks.
I just got my permit a few months ago and I’m gonna get my first truck soon. We found a 1997 Ford F-250 HD 4x4 5.8 for a really good deal. I kinda wanted a diesel but this is a really good deal so maybe one day I’ll get a diesel! I might do videos about it when I get parts for it or something. Thanks for the video!
Basically the difference in price is the $6.000 that you paid in the beginning.
Exactly. By the number unless your towing everyday the diesel fiscally do not sense. Its all personnel preference. But after owning 2 4th gens, the diesel is more enjoyable to drive once it was tuned and deleted. But stock for stock the 392 truck was way more enjoyable to drive around town. Long term the gas truck actually made me money when I sold it. Not sure on the diesel yet. After my 40k investment.
@@Rommer2258 cars are not investments
@@marvina8536 worked for me. Made 4 grand off of it.
exactly
$6000? No the powerstroke is almost a $10,000 option same with the other 2 big diesels.
I own both. I think just but what you like. If you get a good deal and it fulfills a need, even better!
Got a duramax with 194k deleted egr 5inch straight pipe still running strong
Bro I’m about to buy 2020 Chevrolet Silverado duramax 3.0 diesel what do you think should I go for it
You did miss one important factor in the gas/diesel comparison. A lot of guys buy trucks to haul things, not tow. The Ram Cummins version is about 1,000 lbs heavier than the Hemi version. So you lose a half ton of payload in that HD truck. That's not such a big deal if you're buying the 3500, with the base trim payload being nearly 7,000 lbs (Hemi) and 6,000 lbs (Cummins). But it's a much bigger impact on the 2500 where the base trim payload is around 3,000 lbs (Hemi) versus 2,000 lbs (Cummins)..
This is a good point. If payload and staying within the manufacturers' max ratings is a concern (it really should be) a 3/4 ton diesel is a very obsolete truck. If going diesel, always get the 1 ton.
Yep that’s definitely a factor especially on the new Ram 2500s which have an extremely low payload in higher diesel trims!
My payload is 3147lbs. I have the 2020 Denali 2500 Duramax.
@@fit4ya1975 What's the GVWR of your truck?
@@brendanclark81 11,350
I'm new to the diesel world, i have a 3rd gen Dodge Ram 2500, I'm in love. I plan on driving this thing off into the sunset.
Already decided but JEEZ the video quality had me hooked to this video! Great job man!!
I don't tow, just needed the truck for going to the snow/camping. Hemi 2500 was in my price range, and couldn't justify the diesel. (Although I really wanted the Diesel) Really happy with my choice, the truck has been really reliable. Re-sale value doesn't really matter to me, as I already got a really good deal on the truck.
Some of these diesel trucks are stupid expensive. The owners want an arm and a leg for them. lol
I really want a diesel but I just know that the maintenance will be insane.😞
I just don't know what I should do because I am in the market for a 2021 ram but I just can't decide between the diesel and gas. If I had the full amount of money including maintenance, fuel cost, repairs etc, then I would go with a ram 2500.
But I have to be realistic, and since there is a strange thing/concept named "tax deductions", the diesel dream just seems wayyyyy too far away.
Guess I'll have to settle for gas 😐
I work in the heavy light duty to medium duty truck industry and have for a decade, i've gotten rid of all my diesels just because of the high maintenance costs and special treatment you have to give the diesels. (very clean fuel, warmup and cooldown, employees aren't as versed in diesel procedures as I am) I respect what they're capable of but just can't justify the extra cost of having the rattle machine under the hood, I pull bulldozers, backhoes and aggregate with small block GM engines, for years and have only needed cheap regular maintenance, before I owned this company I drove local Class A then Hotshot work for about 10 years (18 wheel truck and one ton W/trailer), so I am familiar with Diesel trucks both class 8 oversize, overweight, driven the major 3 north american 3500 with a gooseneck trailer. but now that I have to do the maintenance and pay the bills, simple pushrod gasoline does the job and does it cheap.
Just my opinion. Like the channel keep it up.
It is all purpose. We got a diesel 3500 in order to tow a 5th wheel. Combination of high payload and torque, etc. The gasser will just not cut it for that kind of towing. I do use it as my daily driver however my drive is mostly highway back and forth at a constant rpm. As far as maintenance I used to have a BMW M car…very expensive, so dont know the difference.
Our 7.3 has 500k. Still runs great, 2md trans, 1st engine
The difference in re-sale you displayed was very similar to the initial extra cost of the diesel engine.
Exactly, so you get your initial investment back, plus more since the discrepancy between the two isn't accurately reflected by KBB.
I love the wheel selections / rim selection on all these trucks, so many guys choose ugly rims and have a massive offset like a damn skateboard !!
I have an ‘94 OBS 7.3 w/ 160k miles that is my pride & joy. But I had a VW Passat TDI manual transmission for work (I travel A LOT), & I put 478k miles on that thing before I had to do anything other than the usual maintenance on it. After the VW diesel buyback nonsense, I got a gas Passat. Same car all in all, except I’ve had problems w/ this thing left & right. It’s been back at the dealership w/ various BS needing to be done the last couple of years. & it’s only a couple of years old. If I could go back, I’d have never given up my old TDI. That thing was the best car I’ve ever owned.
I drove a 2018 power wagon from Florida to Cali, and back in a week towing a 19 foot enclosed trailer. Averaged 11 mpg there, and 12 back. Climbing the grades in New mexico and such...I would have killed for a diesel. I love my power wagon. Adore it. But...next truck will be a 2500 with the diesel.
I work for a EMS agency that has both diesel and gas vehicles. The diesels are definitely more responsive and have a lot better fuel economy.
As a mobile equipment technician, I run a Ford F550 with the Godzilla gasser. My partner runs a Dodge 5500 with the Cummins. Mine weighs in at about 13500 and his is over 14000. Mine averages 8 mpg and his gets 10 mpg. With the higher price of diesel fuel in our area, the cost of fuel per 100 thousand miles is virtually identical. My truck is noticably faster off the line, but his will pull a heavy trailer more easily. I've got to get fuel at least once a day, sometimes twice, but he can usually go a couple of days. I don't have to mess around with DEF. My oil changes cost about $40. My truck will start up easily in below zero temperatures...his doesn't really want to. My fuel filters never gel. I expect to get about 250000 miles before having any serious engine problems... he's probably going to get 300 to 350 thousand. My truck's replacement cost is about $189000 and his is about $199000.
It all depends on what you want...take your pick.
What type of f550 are you running where it costs $189k?! That’s about $100k more than any dump body or utility body dually.. is it a specialty truck?
@@ericrankin4666 Yes. Crane, welder, air compressor, bulk oil tanks, generator, ect...
I have friend who’s dad bought a 1996 dodge 3500 5.9 Cummins with the NV4500 brand new and used it for his hot shot business. He’s still driving that truck today with 1.4 million miles on it
Do you think a 2021 diesel can go a million miles?
my dad went from an f150 i6 300cu to a diesel. he added an engine heater to the outside of the garage for winter michigan.
This video is great, thanks for the all the information I'm buying my first diesel truck and and this video is so informative on my decision. 👍
I have a 2L tdi jetta that i tow my polaris 850 with passing people on the highways at 130-140kms/hour at times. fuel economy is about 7L/100km on flat land, up hill its about 9L/100km. when not towing its 4ishl/100km and about 6L/100km going up hill.
been driving this car the same way for 10 years, its tuned, has dpf delete, and a few other modifications, but nothing has ever broke aside from my rear right abs sensoring failing on me a few months ago. the motor is in perfect health and the suspension has held up very well considering where I live and the obsticals I have encounterd (and the pot holes I have hit) I have only had to replace the springs once, and the sway bar links once XD
over all, diesel, even in cars, I think is 100% the way to go
Im of the camp: why not both?
Of course my newest vehicle is my 96 7.3. One of my favorites is my project 57 with an IH 392
Gas is good where I live because in -40 I can count on it starting everytime
Having had new Diesel 2015 and new Hemi 2019. 100% Gas for non regular towing. Sure the fuel economy is not as good but you can just option the larger tank. The amount of sensors and EGR stuff that went wrong in the Diesel was unbelievable. $500 was the cheapest repair and over $2000 for the worst one. All under Warranty obviously but as soon as it came to the end of the warranty I got shot of it.
I have a 1994 Cummins and considering getting a new hemi with the classic body style, any thoughts ?
I'd say that in small trucks like ford rangers a gas engine makes sense, but in a full size truck it makes a lot more sense to have a diesil rather than having a gasser. For example, one of my family members has a 99 7.3 F350 dually that gets 18-22 mpg while a friend of mine has the 5.4 in a similar year F250 and he's getting 14 mpg.
I saw a 1st gen for sale (2 door auto, blue, 100% stock 4x4) and some people saw some things fishy with the truck like the grill wrong for the trim and others. They wanted 38k!!!!!! FOR A FIRST GEN!!! CRAZY!
I know that exact truck you’re talking about! Definitely a few red flags that went against the “all original” claims from the dealer haha.
@@JustDiesels yeah that dealer wants crazy money for the trucks.
Wow. Thank you! This video learned me a lot. I cover to much ground for the truck I own. I’m looking to get a new truck, definitely have my mind made up.
Diesels the way to go. Got an 03 Cummins and an 06 Ram 1500. I love my diesel so much more than my gas truck. I use the gas as a daily but I regret getting it at times.
I have owned all gas trucks and they have always worked good for me, but I don't haul anything crazy heavy, but it would be nice to have a diesel I love the sound of a Cummins diesel and love the power and torque but, I don't haul heavy loads every week, I don't haul skid steers or anything heavy like that, I haul like firewood and my mower, but I love diesel's
I've had experience driving both gas and diesel. To be honest diesels are more reliable when you maintain them. Yes maintenance is more expensive but the gas engines requires you to always check the oil levels and sometimes they drink coolant like crazy. I really love the torque on a diesel it is super fun. Fuel economy is the best on a diesel. In my house we have 2 gassers but we want to sell them mainly because of the fuel economy, I'll forever love diesels and I've had better experiences in diesel vehicles.
You should add maintenance into costs, not just fuel. If you spend 1.5-2x more on maintenance for a diesel the extra MPG doesn't help, especially when diesel is usually more expensive than gas
@@Robert-qm7yi where I live diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline. Some parts around the world gas is cheaper than diesel. Other parts diesel is cheaper than gas. Australia it's the same thing. Diesel for them is easier to find in the bush and the fuel seems to be cheaper from what I heard.
@@rampagedingo We're worlds apart then because diesel is rarely cheaper than gas with anything where I am, from fuel to parts and oil changes
Your analysis of the depreciation doesnt make sense. The diesel engine is $6,500 more. From what you showed, the gas truck is worth about $7,000 less than the diesel at any given mileage. This just shows them depreciating at almost the exact same rate.
Correct, but my point is that the initial investment in the diesel is never lost. You maintain that same premium over the life of the truck. If both trucks ended up costing the exact same amount at 200k miles then you would have lost your investment in the diesel.
I wonder how other brands compare. The Dmax is a 10k option and I think it's about the same on Fords.
Now with the 13k to 15k option for the diesel, they ill depreciate at a faster rate. But only time will tell with the 2020 trucks
No. The gas truck would be depreciating faster in relative terms.
Considering its KBB, and those aren't really the actual rates, once you add a thousand and subtract a thousand at the low end for diesel and gas, that relative difference is higher. According to KBB its like a 50% depreciation over 300k miles for a diesel vs a 70% depreciation over 300k for gas, whereas in reality its more like 40-50% for diesel and 70-80% for gas. Then as you take into account vehicles that didn't accrue all those miles in a short number of years and you add age to the mix (300k miles over 15 years instead of 9) the diesels win hands down. It all depends on generation obviously but you'll see diesels from early 2000s go for 16000 out of a dealership in a matter of days. There aren't many gas vehicles that compare to that.
@@mattmorris5048 the late 5.9s and LBZ trucks aren't normal, the pre-emissions tax on those are insane. But if you at a 2010 hemi and a 2010 cummins, they are more evenly matched. Also the diesel truck market is pretty inflated currently. I'm not sure what's going to happen in 10 years but with all 3 trucks diesel option ranging from 10 to 14 grand for the motor, I don't see them holding it. Maybe 5k premium.
Dpf, Def, SCR, EGR, CP4, injectors, much more expensive tires since diesels are pigs, even regular oil changes are much more $... Unless you are towing heavier, just get a 3/4 ton gasser.
Most of the diesel mechanics that I know prefer owning a gas truck vs diesel. Why? Because of the overall simplicity of maintenance and low cost of ownership. Also, most diesel truck owners get sucked into hype and allure of the diesel engine that can generate "bookoo" torque and HP numbers. However, the vast majority of these diesel truck owners rarely tow anything. And, if they do tow a trailer or RV, it will be very infrequently (i.e 'maybe' a couple times a year). Thus, if you own a rig that does a significant amount of towing then, a diesel truck makes complete sense. However, if your trucks usage is more daily driver or making a once-in-a-while run to the local Home Depot, your wasting money owning a diesel. Just like my diesel mechanic friends told me when I was looking to buy my last HD truck, stay away from a diesel if you don't have a real need for frequent heavy towing.
I feel like options like the new gas 7.3 make diesels seem like more of a hassle. Unless ur towing a lot all the time, the extra failure points dont seem worth the added 8k to the already horrifying price of new trucks.
This
Just bought a Chevy Colorado with the 2.8l duramax. Never going back to gas
I just hope I inherit my grandfather's 1st gen dodge ram with dat 12v cummins 😅 little beat up but am absolute tank!
Yep! 1st and 2nd gen. are highly sort after.
diesel trucks are for your ego. unless you tow 12k-15k lbs+. long distance on a regular basis the. diesel truck doesn’t pay. it’s takes years and years to recoup that money on gas.
from a business aspects the diesel doesn’t pay.
diesel trucks have frequent issues. most mechanics just change parts on diesels not actually fix them. any mechanic can fix a gas motor and the gas is just way more reliable
most consumers are buying new trucks and putting under 200k moles on them. a gas truck will do that no problem. who wants 12 year old truck that has 300k miles on it anyway
Don’t know why it has to be a ego thing. I got one because I have worked hard all my life and I just wanted one. I don’t pull heavy trailers every day but it’s still nicer in a diesel. Also I don’t have to think about if I can pull my load up a steep hill, I know I can. The cost of maintenance is higher and yeah, getting used to a 15qt oil change is a small bummer but it’s also easier and more fun to work on. Also I work for a small business and 5 of our 7 trucks are diesel. He made that choice because gas trucks were not up to the work load. Point is drive what works for you and let others do the same.
I see 2012 Cummins with 250k go for 25,000 all the time. The hemis go for about 12k in the same condition in my area.
Agreed. The KBB values don’t accurately reflect the price gap!