Exactly. More player choice is almost always good! If you hand 10 people a sword they won’t all use it the same way. Having more moves makes it really easy to have your own style!
If Wilds Hunting Horn gets 1 thing from Rise, it has to be Safe Draw. Being able to draw the horn while sprinting and NOT accidentally play the wrong note is huge. Essentially turning your draw attack into any of the three notes you want would just make gameplay flow way better and feel good.
OH SHIT!!! You’re so right I can’t believe I overlooked mentioning that. I think we’ll get it though since that feels like a small fundamental change that was universally loved. I do miss them when I go back and play Iceborne.
Blast Dash but with the mechanic of Reverse Blast Dash. Like when you fly you can have superarmor or actually block incoming attacks. We need more utilities for the shield. The other option that its not in Rise its that actually quick reload have the valor guardpoint.
As a CB main, I definitely want the firing pin to go in Wilds. I think it makes SAED more satisfying to use because you're basically rewarded for hitting the monster more before the SAED For Switch Axe, the only small thing I want is to be able to morph fluidly without needing to attack first just like in Rise. I really like the fluidity of Swaxe in Rise and I hope that it comes back in wilds. The fact that you can utilize both axe and sword morphs often is really cool for me. In World, when you're in axe mode, you have to attack first before morphing unlike in Rise
Firing pin is nice. I’ll never forget killing my first Lunagaron using a fire CB with firing pin every SAED came with even more explosions. Yea I do think the weapons will be nice and fluid albeit slower.
I believe the best use of the hook slinger during combat would be to incorporate it into reworks of Rise's silkbinds/GU's arts. For example, Sakura Slash in Rise has your hunter using a wirebug to pull himself forward while he rotates the longsword. In Wilds, you would shoot the hook into the monster's 'wounded' part to pull yourself towards it. You would do the same for Hunting Horn's slide beat, Greatsword's adamant charged slash, Gunlance's bullet barrage, Hammer's spinning bludgeon... You get the idea. All those "silkbinds" would be tied to the wounding mechanic, as your hook would only be able to grip to softened parts. About the Insect Glaive, imagine being able to attach your kinsect to a monster's part and then just hook sling to it mid air to get a good angle for your wound hit.
Insect Glaive doesn't need a wirebug they already have a bug and the slinger hook. Do the math. The weapon basically has a built in wirebug already it just hasn't been used like a wirebug.
That’s basically what I’m saying. I said it would make sense if they kept it specifically for that weapon, but I said they could use the hook slinger and/or the kinsect if they don’t want to actually bring it back for the weapon. It would make sense either way they choose to go. If you skip to 18:00 I mention using the hookslinger.
2 minutes in, I wanted to point out that the hookslinger is already seen pulling the hunter forward in the dashing GS from the trailer. It's quick and easy to miss, but check it out for yourself
This video made me smile! You seem like a genuinely really nice person and this is a really great video. Definitely gonna be coming back to this channel: )
Gunlance, I’d have to go with guard reload. Being able to tank while wide shelling was amazing and opened up options for shelling types as opposed to long/normal full burst gameplay. Bug stick- Kinsect options. The assist kinsect was game changing on combining both parts of the weapon together in such a fluid way. But if I had to choose a moveset, I’d pick the one where you could aim and dash towards the reticle while airborne to more easily collect the essences.
As a Lance main, I wouldn't want insta block as part of the main kit. I can Maybe see it as Lance's focus mode thing, ie. Focus on one monster then timed block then attack. If focus takes a second than we might not be able to chain instas. Personally I'd like the running shield charge instead of the dash attack.
Ever since I played rise with the running shield charge I had way more fun. I've been playing MHGU and using its iteration of that move, which is Shield Assault, and **chefs kiss**.
Yea that’s what I mean though. You’ll always have access to it even if you gotta focus mode to get access to it. It’ll still be apart of the regular kit. Shield charge is a lot of fun though. Causing KOs by running into the head.
For insect glaive, the Aerial Kinsect slash revolutionized the depth of insect glaive aerial attacks for me. Being able to aim exactly where you were going, and the snappy tempo of the ‘swish-bang-bang’ feels way better than the lazy helicoptering of the move it replaced. Plus, it did a grip of damage, and its speed and precision assisted in building up the aerial combo damage bonus to quickly follow up with a diving wyvern, and a lot of the time that was the most damaging combo for a non-elemental IG. To be honest, the ‘main feature’ of this move, gathering extracts, was more of a ribbon feature than anything, and I wouldn’t mind letting that aspect go if it meant replacing the standard aerial spinning slash with kinsect slash in Wilds.
Kinsect slash has been mentioned A LOT here in this comment section. It was my runner up pick when it comes to IG. I LOVE that move too so much so that I don't even use the aerial spinning slash at all with Kinsect any more in Sunbreak.
i hope its like switch skills were automatically you have the new weapon combos/moves but you can switch them out for the rise/sunbreak moves/combos (i just want my greatsword combo thats all) plus your opinion on power sheath is so valid cause strongarm stance yes I use it but its kinda of a rage slash in a way how it just parrys one attack allowing you to charge longer/get yellow charge
some of these moves are nice but how would it work when we lose the silkbugs? Theres no power sheathe done unless we're using the clutch claw but on other weapons silkbind moves would look ridiculous unless its just strictly positioning and evasion techniques
At 1:19 I mentioned repurposing the hook slinger to do some of the things the wire bug used to do. With power sheathe you could fire the hook slinger into the ground then use it to pull you a short distance forward while sheathing for the same effect. In the IG chapter I mentioned using the hook slinger to perhaps grapple on to the environment the same way Silkbind vault used in Sunbreak.
As a charge blads main i would pick air dash but with how spamable it is combined with wirebug wisperer id go with axe hopper. But if this was gu i would definitely pick energy blade
It would be awesome if they combined air dash and axe hopper into one move. That way, you could go up in the air with a axe hopper and have the choice of either coming down with an SAED, or you can shoot the head and retreat with an air dash.
While I think Insect Glaive's dust nuke is cool, I think I'd prefer that snappy Kinsect dash you can use in the air. It's much more practical than the cumbersome helicopter attack.
Oh yea Kinsect slash has been brought up a ton in this comment section. It was my 2nd choice tbh should've been my first to vibe with everyone, but hey it fosters discussion!
I would say taking into the account of focus mode. I wouldn't mind seeing strongarm stance for greatsword coming from rise into wilds. Seems pretty smooth and immersive within its means... Defensively and offensively
I hear ya! I feel like we got that move because they knew they were making Sunbreak to be pretty crazy. Damn near every weapon got a counter since the monsters are so fast and aggressive.
Of everything I think that water strike on hammer, blast dash on gunlance, and guard points on quick reload for gunlance should all be incorporated into their full movesets. They lend so much to the moveset’s variety and make no use of wirebugs
If Water Strike comes back I'd like some tweaking for sure I think a successful Water Strike should net you a lvl 3 Charge even if you aren't using courage charge mode. If Water Strike came back like that I'd be over the moon for sure. I agree with what you're saying in general though so many good moves came from Sunbreak regardless of how you feel about the game as a whole.
Good list! I like all of these moves tbh. I chose some others based on what type of game Wilds seems to be. You’ve got a bit more counters than my choices were, but I like where your head is at!
Gunlance was my second favorite weapon before risebreak, but I cannot stress enough how much blast dash would add in Wilds. Im a Wide Shelling guy, but in Rise Normal with blast dash is genuinely the most fun playstyle in the game
Please do a GU version of this video! Super curious on your thoughts of some of the moves not there in World and Rise, there are some I miss greatly myself, like the Charge Blade energy sword!
For lance, the up and down stab attack sounds good for a second, but the guard tackle move does great blunt damage and opened me up to be so much more aggressive, so as a lance main I pick that
Ah yea Skyward Thrust was alright feel like it could be better if it worked like Metsu and had a window where you can counter and do it to get more damage out of it. Guard tackle is really nice as a Hammer main I LOVE getting KOs whenever I can. The ability to negate damage on the way is just the cherry on top!
Ooo that’s the first time that move has been mentioned here! Wish it was a bit stronger so that more would’ve chosen to use it. It was a fun move to pull off for sure.
I'll join you with a move that would be good for some weapons I like to play if it's not the same, but your Ideas are all good - Great sword (started it all for me): the parry tackle, which raises attack on the next charged attack (either tcs or vailliant style charge), but the altenative gs combo with mobility is also good - Sword n Shield: you can put the mestu shoryugeki as a secondary option for the perfect rush; press Y, you go into perfect rush; Press B (maybe in focus mode), you get a short sprint animation then bang!! metsu shorygeki - Dual Blades (the old main): demon flight with spiral slash or shrouded vault in focus mode (paired with GU's vailliant mode sprint and a short i-frame window) - Lance (my beloved new main): I love the idea of a move after insta-block, it has to be cross slash on Y and shield bash on B. But I also love the shield charge - Switch Axe, I like the alternative for the zsd as a possible counter move - Light bowgun: it's not a counter, but "wyvern counter' is a good emergency exit move - Heavy bowgun: I would directly give it GU's valiant mode. Mixing crouching shot (overheat is still hear, but the ammo suffering from it differ according to the weapond) and the repositionning sprint will get me absolutely playing this. If we're right, good, if we're wrong, dammit they got a better idea, but it will be good anyway
Ooh, ONLY 1 move? Thats actually kinda tough for HH, because there are a few good ones. Silkbind Shockwave for the extra elemental sound bursts, Perform for attacking and dodging at the same time, Sonic Bloom for a big chunk of damage, Crush for changing the direction of your combos on the fly...hard choice for sure. Since they confirmed we're going back to a more classic style HH, I do hope that theyll be pulling from at least a few of their new ideas though. Aside from the simpler song mechanics there were some decent additions here and there
Ayeee good to see you here my guy. Yea it’s hard for a lot of weapons. Many of them have multiple playstyles in this game too. The response to this video has been amazing there is a lot less fighting than I thought. You guys are amazing.
As a longsword main and avid rise hater, serene pose is so. fucking. cool. It lets me have my two favorate things: anime ass moves and BIG NUMBERS. seriously tho its like the only reason i keep playing rose that move makes my brain go brrr
I agree with Power Sheath for GS. Good mobility and power increase fits GS best. For LS I'm torn between Sakura Slash and Sacred Sheath. Both are incredibly useful and fun options. No argument with SnS. Shorugeki is immensely satisfying. Only other option is the Windmill for me. Haven't really played DB so I can't comment. LNC is odd. On the one hand more defensive options is right on brand but on the other having bursts of offensive might could be a good change of pace. GL I never play so I'll defer to you on that. HM main myself and I have to go with Spinning Bludgeon. Spin to win baby and having a way to get into the air to chase those monsters that love flying is something I can appreciate. Other than that it's Impact Crater all the way. Having a big have mercy hit on demand is a big welcome when the monster is down or stunned. Immense satisfaction. HH needs to keep a lot of core movement from Rise. HH felt so much better and fun to play in Rise that when I tried it in World it just felt bad to play. So I was say keep it's core movement and attacking. SA is Switch Charger for me. Do get me wrong Soaring Wyvern is just pure gas and fun but I love having an immediate reload that comes with movement. CB I don't know about that. It seems like it's putting an unneeded injection of skill into a weapon that already needs skill to pull off the guard points. Maybe having it as an "oh crap" move and has a cool down not unlike the GL's Wyvern Fire. Personally I want the Spinning Condense Slash. That saw on a stick is just too much fun. IG has to have Awakened Kinscet Attack. Gathering essences is without a doubt the worst part of using that weapon. Chucking that bug out to get all three, even on a cool down is mile better. BW I would choose Focus Shot. Quick stamina recovery after a good barrage, you can't go wrong. I don't play any of the guns. Doesn't gel with me personally.
All great takes with great reasoning. I do think CB is gonna keep the pizza cutter. It’s too popular and it’s been around for quite a while at this point since GU. I also think we’ll keep spinning bludgeon as our sliding attack like it was in World. I’m excited to see more about focus mode so I can form an actual opinion on it.
long sword is already over powered as is giving is a wake up move as strong as greatsword is insane. I dont personally agree with it, while it is awesome and i find it very fun to use as well i dont think it'd trasnfer well as longsword is already good enough
I used lance for most of the rise playthrough I started when I got sunbreak, and I have to say I love instablock. If longsword is able to completely avoid damage by timing actions, lance should be able to do the same since it's supposed to be the ultimate defensive weapon. timing your guards to match the rhythm of a monster's combo or multi-hit attack was just super satisfying to pull off too, imo. I've played a lot of lance in the other entries I've played as well, but I would definitely miss it if it wasn't an option going forward. another move I really liked for lance was the shield charge, it was nice to have a gap closer that doesn't leave you completely open to attacks and it even let you get a fair bit of stun power out of the weapon too. For greatsword, I'd say either power sheathe or surge slash since it really changed up how you could play. definitely not strongarm stance, I was kind of disappointed that it became the most effective method of play for greatsword in rise. my number one wish for greatsword though is simply for the crit draw playstyle to be great again :p I'm not even much of gunlance player, but yeah blast dash is very funny and the mobility it provides is neat. still have a hard time envisioning it in a game like world or wilds though ngl lol for dual blades, shrouded vault. I loved adept dual blades in GU and shrouded vault was the closest thing we've gotten to recreating that. I've no idea what resource it'd be tied to, maybe just additional stamina or demon gauge, so you have to stay aggressive to be able to use it often? this one might be controversial but a guilty pleasure of mine was switch axe's burst counter. the animation of the successful counter attack was awesome and felt really impactful! I could definitely see the 2-stage morph combo working too, or even soaring wyvern blade with how you described it as a follow-up to ZSD. I don't think there's many others that I feel too strongly about, but I might like something like round force for sword and shield, and for oils to return in some capacity. apologies for the lengthy comment, but I do think this is an interesting topic for discussion! nice idea for a video :)
Thanks man I'm glad you really enjoyed the video. All your takes are great as well some of the moves you mentioned here are some runner up moves I was thinking of when I was making this video. I'm gonna do another one of these videos here pretty soon, but we'll focus on GU moves I'd love to see come forward.
For Greatsword I would keep the Guard Tackle, I just enjoy using it so much more than the shoulder bash. I would remove all of the LS's counters and keep the Sacred Sheathe combo. I really love LS keeping it's roots as a Greatsword in 1st Gen, while being different for both weapons. I really don't know what to keep from the other weapons, I just want Long Sword to go back to it's pre GU self.
The tackle is pretty nice even though I prefer shoulder bash myself. Yea LS is way different than it used to be for sure. So many counters now. Kinda feels like it’s stepping on Lance’s toes tbh.
I mean, I know it's greedy but they really need to keep Tetraseal and Kinsect Slash for Insect Glaive. Gun to my head, I guess I'd go for Kinsect Slash just because it really makes Aerial combat feel legit but Tetraseal is so needed for IG to feel like its ground combos actually slap hard without moving us around all the time. Also 100% agree with SnS and Metsu, I feel like I'm missing a limb when I play SnS on older games now.
Oh yea I was doing the same kinda thing in my head when I got to IG I really like the added mobility that comes from silkbind vault. It would make using the mid air attack way easier since you could manage your mid air position a lot better. Kinsect slash was the other one I was really thinking about it feels like you’re a wasp stinging the monster over and over. Goodness it’s so damn satisfying and nice to use.
HH is one of my favourites in RiseBreak and that Shockwave + Double Note idea is too good, you're cooking with that one. -Insect Glaive: I would pick the Kinsect Slash, I really like its precise aerial attack and follow it up with Kinsect Spike/Diving Wyvern feels so good -Gunlance: My current main and I'm kinda torn between Blast Dash and Reverse Blast Dash. Zipping around chasing monster with BD is too fun but RBD is just too good and versatile, it has decent mobility, i-frames, and damage (Stun from shield & easy to combo into slam) Bow: I really like Stake Thrust, a fast melee attack that buffs arrow shots and its just too cool looking. If it returns to WIlds, maybe make it explode after several hits before it dissapears
I’m glad you’re enjoying my double note idea! Gunlance gotta have blastdash in someway. If we end up with only reverse blastdash I’ll be kinda sad since I don’t use RBD all that much.
And also serves no real purpose since you already get double notes from hitting... all this serves to do is encourage corner horning. And honestly, one thing hunting horn players have always wanted is having attack up not on the main song list. If we're going to make tweaks to moves, changing something to add attack up as a default all horn move would go way more. (Like giving us magnificient trio, but instead of playing all songs, it just plays attack up)
As a fellow hammer main I acutaly want a very subtle change to hammer that rise made, being able to go Into the final swing of the big bang after the gulf swing you do out of spinning attack, apply that to world/iceborne hammer and amp up our KO values and il be in heaven
The charge blade was ruined by counter peak performance in mhr. If guard points became a method of charging the phials it would be even worse as you could just spam counter. Countering to charge phials just skips half of the gameplay loop of the weapon: charging phials in sword mode and dispensing with an SAED, or charged axe attacks. Guard points already give enough benefit for landing them.
I feel ya. I could kind of end up like Long Sword where if you land a counter you get another meter instead of the traditional way where you have to land the spirit combo to go up. You bring up good points many others here have said my suggestion for CB is too strong. Maybe its because I don't use Guard Points I feel like they're harder to land than they actually are.
Man I feel like a lot of Switch Skills got people to dabble which let to them picking up new weapons they wouldn’t have otherwise it’s awesome to hear! Which style do you use with GS in GU?
I want to keep any move that trips or launches other players. That is part of the fun and social interaction for me. As a sns enjoyer, i would like a slap move.
Hell yea I hope snowman and mudman come back as conditions. Kicking or hitting your fellow hunters to help them out mid hunt is such a good experience.
As a lance main, Insta block is great but I think it makes lance too focused on it because of how good it is. Making other moves less used or not really used that much. I played rise first before going to world and I would say that I like world better. I seldom used counter thrust and power guard in rise because insta block is always the better option. And honestly I would like my shield to block than to parry. As for what I want, I think the shield charge is pretty good move to retain. Always love to use it when monster charge at me. Stunning them this way is always an epic scene for me.
I don't think CB really needs anything. Guard points already give you some charge back but not the actual phials. It's considered to be a very complex weapon, and guard-pointing shouldn't get easier. Though I definitely agree with you on the fact that we need more thorough in-game explanations for them. Spamming SAEDs should not be the way to go. If anything, they need to bring back the depletion of your shield every time you do SAEDs, but to a lesser extreme like shortening the timer.
@@lazyshadow5027 I hear you. I wasn’t saying make the guard points easier. I was saying give CB players more of a reward for landing them since they’re a bit technical and take time to get used to doing them right. A lot of people have said any idea of full Phil’s recharge is too strong which is fair so maybe a single phial or two upon landing a GP would be the sweet spot.
For IG tetraseal, i just like that attack more then the base attack. CB i like firing pin, but i really like the counter more and seeing you shoot the hook into the ground to brace would be cool. Switch axe counter from sunbreak feels like it should have always been part of the weapons kit and hopefully the smooth transition for the dodge swap stays also. For DB either the counter or the aerial gameplay For SS also the counter. I kinda like the risk reward game play of counters on weapons it seems. LoL
Good picks! I just hope that the game isn’t so fast that it requires us to have this many counters. I think that’s why Sunbreak has so many counters because the gameplay is so fast.
@@Jaycan even if the game is slower they could tighten up the windows on the counters or make them a resource drain (kinda like switch axe counter draining amp bar in Rise) pull of the counter and get powered up, miss the counter and you lost resources and probably take a hit from the monster. Good risk reward for more aggressive play.
Honestly as a hammer main I'd love to see spinning meteor back. It may not be the most versatile and effective move (mainly 'cuz it's pretty hard to land) but sure as hell it's the most satisfying. Also the damage is bonkers if it lands fully at lvl 3 lmao 💀
So I don't know most things about these weapon moves since I haven't played Rise and have only seen a little bit of content but I am even more lost since some of the weapons don't show their silkbind move in the video as you're talking about it :/ not trying to be rude about it or anything but just really hard to follow from my end when I don't see a name that matches up with what you're saying in the footage
Ah I feel ya. Appreciate the feedback when I make the GU one I’ll make it a little slower and try to get the moves to match up. I’d imagine there are more people who haven’t played GU so it’ll be more important in that one.
@@Jaycan Looking forward to it! I still got the gist of the video since you were describing them as you went but nothing beats seeing the move in action, but figured I would just give the little bit of feedback
Ironically, the things I want for the weapons I main are modes rather than actual moves Destroyer Oil for SnS (though I'd actually just prefer the generations oils as a whole to come back) and Feral Demon Mode (or if we go even further back, True Demon Mode from Frontier). Though based on what's been told in JP previews, it sounds like we might have something akin to Feral Demon Mode/True Demon Mode, as both of these modes had a focus on evasion, which is how people described the new mode Dual Blades was seen using in the JP preview EDIT: Your take on implementing Counterpeak Performance sounds a bit too strong still imo. I think it should either give 2 phials, or set your sword charge to the next stage; if your swords partially charged it goes to full charge, and then you load your phials, or if it's not charged it goes to partial charge, letting you get to 5 phials sooner. If it was implemented as part of the GP system, leads into SAED and otherwise left as is it'd still be too strong, especially if it auto-loaded your phials.
Yea destroyer oil is nice, but I’d love chaos oil to comeback even if they have to make it a little weaker to justify it since it’s so strong. Yea maybe even then getting free phials for blocking would be amazing. Best offense is a great defense could really be the weapon’s motto if they get it right!
For me it should be (realistically): GS: Guard tackle, it just makes sense LS: Double slash SnS: Spinning reaper Lance: Charged sweep, its just what lance needed Gl: Yeah, i aint gonna play that weapon without blast dash, but i think it should be like frontier's, its a lot more realistic. Also im breaking the rule with this weapon. I shouldnt even explain it but GUARD RELOAD, it doesnt make ANY SENSE that you have a shield as big as lance's and not guard while youre reloading. The shield should be part of the moveset, just like lance. It feels so stupid and wrong that you have to stop whatever youre doing to sidestep and then guard insteand of having a guardpoint on a weapon with 0 mobility (im looking at you mhw). A parry seems to op for me and i think it would harm the weapon's identity, but guard reload fits all these needs perfectly, plus it just MAKES SENSE. Hammer: yup, i like the stance system but they should do something with it, differentiate more the movesets HH: I think they should lean more into the shockwaves and offensive aspect, its already a support weapon that packs a punch but if it packed an even bigger punch more people would enjoy it CB: Give. The. Ready. Stance. Back. CB axe mode is a PAIN to move around, at least this move prevents it to be completely exposed SA: yeah, no. Copy paste the SA from world. I DESPISE SA on sunbreak, they made the weapon feel like cardboard, not a giant dragonbone explosive axe IG: soaring wyvern, FEELS RIGHT moving thru the air just to nail the monster's head to the ground Bowguns: The biggest problem these 2 weapons have are their differences, well, the lack of them. I want LBG to lay more into the traps aspect, using mines, countering the monster (yup, wyvern counter) and using your mobility to drive it into explosive/status traps. When it comes to HBG i think the move it needs the most is the sidestep, but hell no, give the allmighty tackle back. Feels like it always should have been there, nothing like shooting a big ass artillery cannon, staggering the monster with a shoulder tackle and blowing up its face. I think they should lean more into the slow but brutal aspect of the weapon Bow: yeah, double powershot, give us something else to do other than dancing all around the place
Thanks for this in-depth comment. Not sure any reply I conjure up will do it justice. Guard reload has been mentioned many times in this comment section your breakdown of it makes it ring even more true. I feel like the Swaxe problem you have has more to do with the feel of the entire game. World was allowed to be slower and chunkier with some hit-stop to make every hit feel impactful. Sunbreak moves too damn fast for that so all that hit stop and crunchiness has to go.
Thats from Frontier from what I heard, but it would be brand new to the main line! I'd LOVE a charged upswing. Imagine landing a a lvl 3 upswing on a high up tail and cutting that bad boy off!
GU had silkbind vault for IG already without Wirebugs so Wirebugs aren't needed. I'd much rather have Kinsect Slash though. Not only is it a good attack for the air, but it gathers Extract too
@@MikeyV77 if it does come back they need to get the balance right. In Rise is was too strong where if you ain’t spamming it you’re not doing great damage. Then in Sunbreak it takes so long and so many bugs that it became less worth it to do it. They need a place in the middle as far as balance goes.
I main all the sword weapons....would actually like to see tempered spirit blade in the next game for LS, I just like it's utility a lot. GS would be definitely the alternative combo for more combo options. DB needs spiral slash, it's just too cool. SnS metsu is a no brainer. People may not agree, but SA counter for me was the most satisfying counter in sunbreak and really added a great layer to the weapon imo. CB would be a toss between Axe hopper for auto saed or ready stance for pizza cutter fun
Pizza cutter could be great if they remove that it goes away when you sheathe. Then we wouldn’t even need ready stance any more. I’m still a little miffed about them doing that to CB.
for gunlance, we really do need more mobility, but maybe not blastdash? like, in old mh it used to be that the trade off for picking gunlance over lance is that you get a much more powerful weapon, but much less speed you didn't have a dash move, you only had one sidestep dodge instead of 3, that kinda thing but then gunlance started to fall behind on the power to the point that it's not a good trade off anymore also, the reason you don't see charged shelling is because in world and rise, burst shelling is simply too powerful, so choosing a wide gunlance, where charged shelling is ideal for dealing with tough monster parts, is just objectively the wrong decision also, that thing about charge blade getting phials on guard counter is far far far too powerful it's so easy to get guard counters that it would remain as powerful as sunbreak's counter move
Yea you're not the only one whos mentioned my CB idea was too strong haha. I think Gunlance's problem is the shelling balance its always strong early, but falls off late game. I don't envy the position Capcom is in when it comes to balancing the Gunlance. They could choose to make it stronger and less mobile, but a lot of people loved having mobility. They could make it more mobile yet weaker so it can stick to the monsters and shell and poke more.
The move I want back is energy blade. I mean, come on, it's THERE, there's obviously a precedent for it, but why not make it another kind of SAED. Maybe once you start the SAED, you can just have it be another option. You can press R2 to charge shield obviously, you pull back the movement stick and press the top button to do the AED, you hit L2 to go into savage axe mode, and lastly you just let it go to do SAED. Why not make it so you can just press R2+top button to make it do an animation where you just throw a right straight with the weapon spinning, it locks in place as you cock back your fist, and the punch just unleashes a BLAST of energy.
As a CB main, I really don't want counter peak performance coming back. It's fun, but it would completely break a slower paced game. Even if it came back in the way that you described in the video, it would just be a broken version of a guard point. I would much rather have either Morphing advance come back because of it's amazing repositioning ability, or ready stance because of its potential synergy with savage axe. If they make it so that you can AED out of ready stance, then I would definitely choose ready stance over morphing advance.
Ah I could see that. Ready Stance is nice, but it feels like a solution to something that doesn’t have to be a problem. Sunbreak was weird where you’d loose savage axe if you sheathe or morph out of axe mode. It is still nice to do though so you can keep up the attacks with it.
@@Jaycan Yeah, I'm not really sure why that was a thing. It would be really awesome if Wilds combines both Worlds and Rises versions of savage/spinning axe. That way it won't go away when sheathed like in world, and they can make it so that your philes don't have a time limit and can come back after a certain amount of hits like in rise.
@@JJ68758 Bingo! I’m really hoping NG that’s the entire philosophy of the game. A mix of the best of both World and Rise with some new features on top!
Ah I feel that. I'm hoping they take some of that Sunbreak Patch 4 DNA and keep elements relatively good. Its a hard thing to balance for sure I don't envy Capcom in the slightest.
@@Jaycan it's pretty sink-or-swim yeah, but the parry/near-miss sound is a dopamine cannon and being able to cut tails just by dodging at them is a wonderful thing.
With that running thing gs did, that was using the hook slinger like a wirebug to attach to the monster and run as it retracted. I get what you mean. power sheath is fine, strong arm needs to die with an unmarked grave. GS is already getting a counter in focus mode and it's never been a weapon that needed a counter in the first place. Shoulder bash getting i frames is bad enough, in terms of eliminating the weapon's consequences. One of the big reasons Rise wasn't liked as much as World was that the weapons felt watered down, just to make them more like LS so that has to end if they want it to be more grounded and like World to get those fans back. Experement failure, weapon bias to such an extreme is bad. Sacred sheath combo is fine, LS has more than enough counters as it is. Just don't let it counter for less damage, make it a big hit for LS only. It's the lesser of the many evils in Rise because it was a game that made everything else LS clones and buffed LS way too much. Again, if they're smart, they'll want to kill as many of these counters as possible. Lance is one of the last weapons that needs counters. The whole point is tanking so taking the hits with the shield and being immovable, as you land short pokes within opening too small for other weapons to use. Lance got shit on for the entirety of Rise. Sadly the least insulting thing lance got was the charged swing. Yes it goes against the point of shorter openings but it gives you an option for those larger openings that does more damage when you get them, like wake up hits. Blast dash is great but it needs a rework for balancing. Just map the buttons differently so you don't lose charged shells like in Rise. Like hold circle to charge shell or hold circle + X instead to blast dash so everyone gets both of them at all times. Don't punish the players that want charged shells, by removing this mobility options entirely for only them. That's why your never saw charged shelling in Rise. Honestly, I hated this move more than any other in the game. In Rise it felt like CB got a huge combo speed nerf only to justify this move existing, The slower moves nerfed guard points. It's like the game was saying "but why bother? Why do your combos to charge when you can just use this counter to skip it?" It and the SA counter in Sunbreak murdered the flow of these weapons. You didn't have to work to charge them anymore. On top of that, counter peek performance was the most generous counter window in base Rise, anyone could land that thing so it wasn't even reward for skill. You could just pop it and easily get full phails. Giving that to normal guard points still invalidates the play style of charging with your sword. Even if the flow was the same as World, so it felt good to guard point, that's too much. Guard pointing on demand is easy, just swap to axe mode and that's an instant guard point to charge whenever you want. It's the ones mid combo where this flow matters. Rise ruined that. So just a second air dash? Why? I'm a little torn, i know they won't buff IG, it's been 2 generations and Rise only accidentally dug up the fallacy of bow and IG's abusing relationship. What i mean is, both weapons are mobile, safer, elemental options. One's in the air and one is at range as they both dash around between attacks. So why the hell is the damage gap so wide? Rise made the 2 more alike when they said that each consecutive areal move buffs the next, that's a lot like bow charge levels in its combo. It was insulting that they didn't realize this, areal aim even lets bow go up in the air too. Diving wyvern was a clone of an Iceborne move so it may be back. 4th gen weapons are the one Rise ruined the most, while trying not to say they were. They were unapologetic about lance. IG need areal damage, not mobility. Aurora somnocanth has a move where if a hunter is at a different elevation, on her sweeping beam's path, the beam will move up or down withh ledges. Make more attacks like that, that can move up to hit IG users, so you guys aren't afraid to give IG areal damage. Let it be less safe, if yo have to, but let IG shine in the air for once. Ground glaive should never do more damage, just like slap lance, never make it better to ignore a weapon's unique traits. It's not just a counter but it's a tanking move that erases projectiles for you team, that's a lance move bro. LBG ain't no tank. Crouching shot, is fine, you have to have big openings because you can't move so there's a trade off. Maybe if a lance user in the team is tanking for you it's more usable, they got the new agro mechanic so they hold attention for you while you use this. That way HBG can choose itehr the tank play stile or the sniper play style.
A lot of what Rise tried for weapons were about quality of life for weapons, bringing back old lost ideas. Not about making everything a Longsword clone and thinking that every weapon simply being able to counter makes it a Longsword clone. Then you haven't played enough of the weapons or experimented with different playstyles because Risebreak gave you so many choices, and yet people complained because they didn't like the "best option" Even though the best option in monster hunter has always been whatever works best for you as an individual. Its about choice. And don't think that the game is taking that choice away from you because you don't want to pick the less optimal choice. I can almost guarantee this new focus mode will introduce mechanics that you won't like. Greatsword getting a counter, or potentially more armored moves like shoulder tackle. That's not a bastardization of the weapon's identity because its still high risk, high reward because you're still taking that damage. I loved strongarm stance, but I didn't like that it was just a straight up counter. I think Greatsword should keep rage slash, that way it has a "Counter" but still plays into that high risk style that people like. Longsword is functionally a counter based weapon now, that's how it is, and its what people love so its here to stay, so I have no issues if they want to expand on that. Dual blades is fast its mobile, all I want for that weapon is an even bigger reward for being aggressive. Hammer is the definitive charge weapon (Even though greatsword likes to think it is) and I think the charge system of Hammer should be built upon. I loved being able to switch between charge modes in Rise, and Sunbreak adding a way to cleanly transition between the two while maintaining charge made the flow of hammer so much more rewarding and interesting to play. I'm happy Hunting horn is going to be getting a return to form (To a certain extent, they also said that it would be receiving a huge amount of changes) In my eyes Hunting horn is not just about positioning. Its a musical weapon, hunting horn users should get to dance with the monster. I want to see more evasive elements worked into the moveset of horn, I want them to build on the flourish mechanic, gives us more multi swinging moves that let us pile notes onto the staff really fast, let us control the pace of our playing so we can move with the monster. I like the aggressive style of Rise but I don't want it to lose the methodical rhythmic pacing that it had in the old games either. The lances are tank weapons and tanks should be able to tank, I don't see why it being a counter or a guardpoint or just standing there and blocking makes it different. They are defensive weapons, so give us defensive options. Instant block is one of the best things to happen to Lance given that it rewarded us for being able to time our strikes and block at appropriate times in order to get the counter attack. Lance should be able to stay on top of the monster and deal consistent damage because being a shield isn't its only function, because it still is a weapon and there's no reason it should lose out on being able to dish out damage because it doesn't fit the classic idea of what a tank should be. Gunlance in my opinion should have a stronger emphasis on offense, so give us guard reload back, put a guard point on quick reload, give us repositioning tools like blast dash or blast evade from frontiers, let gunlance be the offensive monster of the two defense oriented weapons. Charge blade to me always felt like the original guardpoint counter based weapon. And getting a more streamlined method of charging would only help the weapon in the long run. A lot of people choose not to play it because they don't want to charge the sword to charge the phials to charge the shield to amp the sword to get the biggest attack you can get. The focus should be on charging but charging doesn't HAVE to be inconvenient. Switch axe isn't a charge weapon, it does have a gauge you can charge but that's not at the core of the weapon, so giving us a way to skip the build up and go right into amped state to do what people play the weapon for (zero sum lmao) Is a healthy addition for the weapon. It doesn't have to be a counter but I don't think Sunbreak's SA counter was a bad thing for the weapon it looked cool as hell and made the weapon more approachable and fun. Insect glaive SHOULD 100% get more air mobility, I don't mind Grounded glaive being where it does the most damage, it makes sense after all since its much harder to get leverage to hit hard when you are in mid air. What I want to see is more involvement with the kinsect since that is like, one half of the weapon. I want to see the kinsect get more treatment and more versatility. You should be able to have your bug attack with you, gather resources while you attack rather than being forced to do the annoying shooting the bug at specific parts. The glaive and the bug should be one cohesive unit. Sword and Shield is a swiss army knife, as long as it can always do a bit of everything I couldn't care. I love the weapon, its pretty much perfect and every iteration makes it better at its role which is pretty much just a little bit of everything. (not an SNS main) I can't really speak on the ranged weapons I don't play them but if I'm not mistaken a big point of Light and heavy bowgun is that they're extremely customizeable and always have been. You could play support Light bowgun or you can pile everything into being a little annoying mosquito that does decent damage. You could be a tanky gunner with heavy bowgun or a sniper or just a DPS Monster. and then Bow just kinda works as a buffer zone for people who like being right in the action but want to be quick, want to be fast but want to use a ranged weapon. I really hope that whatever Wilds does to change the weapons satisfies you. And of course you can always go back and play most of the old games if you aren't happy with the new ones. I wish you a good day and I hope that you can be a little bit more open minded and less spiteful in the future! It's okay to not like something but not liking it doesn't mean it was bad. Always keep that in Mind :)
What a comment! Never change man I love them. I almost picked the attack that gather extract for IG since I like it so much and that attack did a lot for the air glaive playstyle. Charged shelling could be dope with having access to blastdash at the same time.
@@zacharyhansen8250 Is hyperbole a new concept? Also no, Iceborne taught us that meta can just matter on a whim, like alatreon. IG was stupid in that fight because ground IG wasn't a choice anymore do to his hit zones that forced it on you. Also them making a hunt based on a system they've admitted they failed at repeatedly was a dumb move. Usually that stuff doesn't matter but weapon balancing always has to matter just in case they pull shit again. Also the culture of fools that will kick you for playing unoptimal play styles while they keep dying in meta sets. My point was that shoulder barge was dumb but acceptable, hell you agree that Rise's shit giving you a buff while negating all damage is bad. DB, hammer, and hh i more or less agree with you on those. Lance should reward the sustained damage and taking advantage of those opening that other weapons can't. giving it lazy a counter just makes it less unique. The problem with lance is that they've always hated the idea of giving it any damage and in Rise they only gave it if you played in a way counterintuitive to its design. You had to keep up that stupid counter buff or your pathetic damage was even worse and said buff was weaker if you had guard skills. You were punished for building into the weapon's niche. It was an utter failure of a rework and Sunbreak's additions were just insulting. No, Lance only ignores part of the damage formula where GL ignores all of it. If they made it too strong then that would ruin the game. Just make more armored monsters that let it shine. Also Rise fucked up because blast dash cost you charged shells so if you used the type that liked those fuck you. If they alter the controls just slightly, as i said, we can all have both. It could be easier but skipping the charging entirely, like in Rise, was overdoing it. AS getting one of the most generous counter windows in the game was the issue there. Also if you keep making too many and too generous of allowances for noobs, like that asshole Bloodborne streamer that rage quit after low rank khezu, than it's the slow death of the series' identity. They said that they are taking steps back to make things more like World and to ensure weapons fit their personalities more in Wilds. That's the intent but we'll see how it goes. The bug doing more i agree with but the other half of what makes the weapon unique is being in the air. Again, you should never be punished for using what's unique about a weapon. It should never be optimal to ignore one of a weapon's core traits entirely. Except for when they fuck up and S&S is either accidentally better at something than the weapons where that is their only niche. Also perfect rush proved that they had no clue or care as to how to handle the weapon. It was meant to replace falling bash, if you wanted elemental damage, It was a trash rhythm game that was too weak to justify engaging with. So they buffed it but were lazy so just ended up buffing motion value/raw, when element was its entire reason for it existing. S&S is the definition of an identity crisis. I'm hopeful for Wilds, can't be worse than Rise. Don't get the wrong, Rise was fun, if you turn your brain off to ignore its flaws.
@@Jaycan For IG, the one that uses all your extracts for a big kinsect hit would be fun. Adding blast dash without removing anything would be easy. it's just a combo of holding 2 buttons at once.
@@jockpackage1770 man from what I'm reading it just sounds like you want things harder than they need to be. Nothing wrong with that. Alatreon's fight was pretty poorly received because it stripped away our freedom of choice which isn't really something that's ever happened in monster hunter before.
15:50 As a CB main, the thought of Guard Points being rewarded with even a *single* phial gets me hot and bothered. If a GP yielded max phials, or even just 3, it would be insanely powerful!
Hunting horn: Silkbind shockwave could outright be a new song, but shouldn't give anything more than that (so it doesn't count as double beats) I don't see why it can't be selfish, it would encourage the HH to be more offensive rather than corner horning anyway.. If we want to suggest an improvement to HH, silkbind shockwave for double notes isn't the best way to go regardless... that still goes to making attack up a generic song outright. MAYBE have magnificient trio as part of the base moveset which always gives attack up.
I feel ya! Having every horn have attack up would be dope as hell, but I still feel we would find a horn that has affinity up. Then everyone would use that one mostly. I do like the idea of a selfish horn, but it’ll still be a group buffing the no that people would love.
@@Jaycan affinity up isn't that important because most people would already gear for max affinity anyway, while attack up benefits everyone regardless of gear.
@@sinteleon if Silkbind Shockwave's effect were to be a song instead, it'd need to be on every HH for sure. Wayyy too strong of a buff for only a few to get. Same with Attack Up tbh; we've already seen how much that throws off the balance between Horn choices. I could really see them just putting buffs like this on Self Improvement to avoid having every song list share the same 2-3 songs, but that'd probably make Self Improvement kinda bloated with the 2 effects it already gives. To me, Silkbind Shockwave seems like something that'd work a little better on a meter mechanic tbh. And Affinity Up's usefulness directly depends on how easy affinity is to stack in a game's armor set meta. It was pretty good in Rise for example, since Crit Eye wasn't being stacked super high that often. A lot of builds just ran with Weakness Exploit and whatever affinity was on your weapon normally, so the song's extra 20% bumped those up nicely. If it's a game more like World/Iceborne though, with sets like Drachen and Fatalis? Then yeah, not nearly as valuable
@@KPlaysHere I'd note that silkbind shockwave would need to be rebalanced if it was a song, to be comparable to sonic burst (and/or sonic burst be buffed to compare with silkbind shockwave), but still, do note that the bonus damage from silkbind shockwave is fixed; the value of it gets weaker with stronger affinity hunting horns (and likely gets no benefit from the wounding mechanic). And more importantly, it is a selfish song, meaning there's less benefit in a party outright; party buffs could easily be ranked higher even if a horn doesn't have SS.
Courage is so awesome. Supports element or status playstyles. Great to still see you here btw you’ve been here so long man like before I hit 100 subs. I really appreciate the support!
I've already accepted that anything even remotely arcade-y is only a possibility in the "portable" series of monhun games. Since Wilds is a "grounded" monhun game I'm 99% positive any wirebug/HunterArt move will not be in Wilds.
I feel ya but I feel like they might take some moves and repurpose them to fit the slower style. LS feels like it’s always in valor mode now even in World which is the grounded slow game.
Nah, im thinking you get a phial or two when you guard point Getting it to the max would be too quick since you could hit guard points fast, especially I can as a CB main This mechanic would instead be a supporting move for getting phials rather than replacing the yellow to red charging mechanic.
Many others have said something similar about my CB idea. All phials is a bit too strong. Similar things have been said about a phial or maybe two per GP.
Man I’ll be so bummed it’s even fun in Generations Ultimate too with Shoryugeki. Feels like it’s been around long enough to be a staple in the move set although World did skip it in favor of perfect rush.
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT I HEAR YA! This move has been mentioned a lot in this comment section as well. A lot of Gunlancers really love this Guard Reaload!
If there’s a weapon that deserv- no.. needs to keep the fucking counter, is the Hammer. Water Strike became the most fun and fairly balanced counter (Looking at you long sword mfs getting all the good shit)
I said this in a previous comment so I'll quote and expand on it "If Water Strike comes back I'd like some tweaking for sure I think a successful Water Strike should net you a lvl 3 Charge even if you aren't using courage charge mode." This way you can have a counter heavy playstyle and still land a lot of lvl 3 charge attacks. If you aren't using courage mode in Sunbreak but landing a lot of Water Strikes it means you're not doing your ABC(Always Be Charging)
if someone takes my swax counter i'm going to press counter button that made it go bye bye also i think we should remove flinch free i can be trusted gunlance sound
Nahhhhh hammer needs to use the slinger launch forward. With I frames and super armor then an instant full charge after the initial swing. I use that all the time in rise.
DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T GIVE DUAL BLADES SPIRAL SLASH AGAIN as a dual blades main it freaking ruined the enjoyment of dual blades since it made the whole move set obsolete, you had 3 moves on dual blades in sunbreak endgame spiral slash for damage shrouded vault, it wastes damage but a get out of jail card demon flight a tighter counter that rewards you for landing it by doing a spiral slash before I used the whole moveset of dual blades in base rise, iceborne and world then spiral slash specially in the endgame ruined DBs since it costs 1 wirebug, dealt more dmg than demon dance, was faster than demon dance, could use it mid air THE WHOLE MOVESET FELT SO BAD, I legit took it out of my moveset and replaced it with piercing bind but everything felt so bad maybe because rise's combat felt less impactful and spiral slash was the most impactful move dual blades had + the insane numbers it had dual blades became easily the most brain dead weapon monster hunter has ever had honestly piercing bind only problem in rise was it stopping the flow so if they can make it seamlessly turn into a combo it would be perfect for wilds and the weak spot part once you get used to it you never worry about it again nor think about hitting a weak spot, you just do it without thinking and it always lands
@@ahmadbugshan9603 I feel you, but that can be fixed pretty easily. Your issue sounds like you just need the other moves to be buffed to match or tone down spiral slash.
@@Jaycan oh I agree to be honest I just instantly thought about sunbreak balance and didn't think about them changing the numbers hopefully if we get it back it gets nerfed or becomes a focus mode attack that you can only do on a weak spot with the new tenderize mechanic
@@zigayoutuber7256 chaos oil was damn strong and stacked with regular oils too. 100% affinity was way easy to get. I feel like they could tweak it to make sense and be better but oh well.
@@Jaycan well, the main thing with the Lance is that its basic poke combo is the core of the gameplan, and everything else in the kit is designed to let it poke more efficiently and more often, by sticking to the monster like glue and laughing at any attack it tries to do to shake you off. Out of the Rise moves, the one I like most in this regard is Shield Charge, since it covers that awkward middle ground between Guard Dash and Dash Attack when neither is exactly ideal for persuing a monster. Plus it does good KO damage too, so that's a nice bonus. Though, I wouldn't want it to replace the normal dash attack. Having both would be ideal. Also technically not a move, but Rise buffed the Evade Extender skill, and Lance absolutely loved those longer distance evades. I'd hope that they keep that around.
I hear ya! I like the idea that lance is kind of a counter weapon so if you time blocking well you get rewarded with a high damage move to do after it. Having another dash is great I almost picked the move that lets you jump to the monster after you place a kunai in it. Evade Extender is huge for both Lance and GL along with IG as well. Good talk man thanks for commenting.
@@lasatar6428 This man knows his lance. I've lost thousands of damage because of that awkward middle ground. I hear you lance brother and I like how you think
metsu needs to go. they are just going to extremely overtune it (as they should because it is broken and overpowered) Instead they should bring the twin blade combo.
I feel what you're saying on that, but this is a brand new game they can turn things up or down based on previous outings. If the balance of the move is your only issue I'd say its not that big of an issue since patches are possible and with a brand new games comes brand new balancing.
Eh I understand why they put it in though. Its a very easy to see indicator of whether you're in Demon Mode or not. Maybe they could change it to some other type of run, but I bet there would be a public outcry haha.
You’re in luck they kinda soft confirmed that the horn will be more like World in an IGN interview with Kasey Defritas. I mentioned it in this video here. ruclips.net/video/trrkDLt40ok/видео.htmlsi=gnF1PGoxrfPAhuks
@@choty7066there's not enough different about it for it to be its own entirely new weapon, and I probably wouldn't want to see a new music buffing weapon taking away from HH's uniqueness anyway. If you ask me, they just need to dial the changes WAY back (like, back to World/IB as a base) and try to implement some of those new ideas in a way that doesn't outright replace classic moves and mechanics. Like, for example, add that neutral unsheathe, speed up recitals a bit, add a new move or 2 without taking any away, etc.
You’re not far off! I’m the parent. I typically get to record when the girl and the kids are sleeping so I don’t want to wake them up recording a video haha.
Hey Jay.... I also want Sacred Sheathe Combo back... I love that back hop, and unload, play-style... Also, I want to see a return of Frostcraft, so I can really reign pain on anything that moves...
@@Jaycan We really should have got Oroshi Kirin in Iceborne in my opinion... it made the most sense for his return to be there for obvious reasons... but I will certainly take him in Wilds, or Wilds' expansion...
Said it on Twitter but I'll say it again.
The alternative GS moves are pretty nice and gives the weapon a lot of mobility.
Exactly. More player choice is almost always good! If you hand 10 people a sword they won’t all use it the same way. Having more moves makes it really easy to have your own style!
Yep. I hate wire bug moves. But Switch skills gave so many alternative playstyles to many weapons
If Wilds Hunting Horn gets 1 thing from Rise, it has to be Safe Draw. Being able to draw the horn while sprinting and NOT accidentally play the wrong note is huge. Essentially turning your draw attack into any of the three notes you want would just make gameplay flow way better and feel good.
OH SHIT!!! You’re so right I can’t believe I overlooked mentioning that. I think we’ll get it though since that feels like a small fundamental change that was universally loved. I do miss them when I go back and play Iceborne.
I just want blastdash to come back and I don’t even play gunlance. It just makes the most sense of all the moves to carry over.
Big facts. Blast dash NEEDS to exist it’s just so fun, and it gives gunlance a much needed mobility tool.
Blast Dash but with the mechanic of Reverse Blast Dash. Like when you fly you can have superarmor or actually block incoming attacks. We need more utilities for the shield.
The other option that its not in Rise its that actually quick reload have the valor guardpoint.
As a CB main, I definitely want the firing pin to go in Wilds. I think it makes SAED more satisfying to use because you're basically rewarded for hitting the monster more before the SAED
For Switch Axe, the only small thing I want is to be able to morph fluidly without needing to attack first just like in Rise. I really like the fluidity of Swaxe in Rise and I hope that it comes back in wilds. The fact that you can utilize both axe and sword morphs often is really cool for me. In World, when you're in axe mode, you have to attack first before morphing unlike in Rise
Firing pin is nice. I’ll never forget killing my first Lunagaron using a fire CB with firing pin every SAED came with even more explosions. Yea I do think the weapons will be nice and fluid albeit slower.
I love how smooth Rise SWAXE was. My favourite version of the weapon outside of Switch Axe F from Frontier Z
Hot take but bring compressed element discharge back
I believe the best use of the hook slinger during combat would be to incorporate it into reworks of Rise's silkbinds/GU's arts. For example, Sakura Slash in Rise has your hunter using a wirebug to pull himself forward while he rotates the longsword. In Wilds, you would shoot the hook into the monster's 'wounded' part to pull yourself towards it. You would do the same for Hunting Horn's slide beat, Greatsword's adamant charged slash, Gunlance's bullet barrage, Hammer's spinning bludgeon... You get the idea. All those "silkbinds" would be tied to the wounding mechanic, as your hook would only be able to grip to softened parts. About the Insect Glaive, imagine being able to attach your kinsect to a monster's part and then just hook sling to it mid air to get a good angle for your wound hit.
Oooo that’s so good. Way to tie it all together with the new wounding system I love it.
@@Jaycan it's all convergent
Hell yea man!
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Insect Glaive doesn't need a wirebug they already have a bug and the slinger hook. Do the math. The weapon basically has a built in wirebug already it just hasn't been used like a wirebug.
That’s basically what I’m saying. I said it would make sense if they kept it specifically for that weapon, but I said they could use the hook slinger and/or the kinsect if they don’t want to actually bring it back for the weapon. It would make sense either way they choose to go. If you skip to 18:00 I mention using the hookslinger.
wirebug becomes a new kinsect type
2 minutes in, I wanted to point out that the hookslinger is already seen pulling the hunter forward in the dashing GS from the trailer. It's quick and easy to miss, but check it out for yourself
Devs says that its just part of the animation of the move. so they could do something with it but its not a full feature like wirebugs.
@@SirJerray oh thanks for that I’ll take another look.
This video made me smile! You seem like a genuinely really nice person and this is a really great video. Definitely gonna be coming back to this channel: )
Thanks so much! I’ve got tons of videos here you can check out right now. I shoot for 2 videos a week. I’ll do more if we get news or a release!
@@Jaycan sounds great hope you're doing well✨
Gunlance, I’d have to go with guard reload. Being able to tank while wide shelling was amazing and opened up options for shelling types as opposed to long/normal full burst gameplay.
Bug stick- Kinsect options. The assist kinsect was game changing on combining both parts of the weapon together in such a fluid way. But if I had to choose a moveset, I’d pick the one where you could aim and dash towards the reticle while airborne to more easily collect the essences.
I feel you on that! That IG move was a runner up move I almost chose for sure!
As a Lance main, I wouldn't want insta block as part of the main kit.
I can Maybe see it as Lance's focus mode thing,
ie. Focus on one monster then timed block then attack.
If focus takes a second than we might not be able to chain instas.
Personally I'd like the running shield charge instead of the dash attack.
Ever since I played rise with the running shield charge I had way more fun.
I've been playing MHGU and using its iteration of that move, which is Shield Assault, and **chefs kiss**.
Shield assault or the guard dash that allows pokes instead of leaping thrust. I have such a personal beef against leaping thrust
Personally
I'm not a fan of the guard bash advance.
Hopefully we get some info from the next event thing.
@TonyFunsui I would accept guard dash regular if they delete leaping thrust. Leaping thrust is just not fun
Yea that’s what I mean though. You’ll always have access to it even if you gotta focus mode to get access to it. It’ll still be apart of the regular kit. Shield charge is a lot of fun though. Causing KOs by running into the head.
For insect glaive, the Aerial Kinsect slash revolutionized the depth of insect glaive aerial attacks for me. Being able to aim exactly where you were going, and the snappy tempo of the ‘swish-bang-bang’ feels way better than the lazy helicoptering of the move it replaced. Plus, it did a grip of damage, and its speed and precision assisted in building up the aerial combo damage bonus to quickly follow up with a diving wyvern, and a lot of the time that was the most damaging combo for a non-elemental IG. To be honest, the ‘main feature’ of this move, gathering extracts, was more of a ribbon feature than anything, and I wouldn’t mind letting that aspect go if it meant replacing the standard aerial spinning slash with kinsect slash in Wilds.
Kinsect slash has been mentioned A LOT here in this comment section. It was my runner up pick when it comes to IG. I LOVE that move too so much so that I don't even use the aerial spinning slash at all with Kinsect any more in Sunbreak.
i hope its like switch skills were automatically you have the new weapon combos/moves but you can switch them out for the rise/sunbreak moves/combos (i just want my greatsword combo thats all) plus your opinion on power sheath is so valid cause strongarm stance yes I use it but its kinda of a rage slash in a way how it just parrys one attack allowing you to charge longer/get yellow charge
Oh yea Switch Skills making a return would be amazing. Glad you resonate with my GS take
some of these moves are nice but how would it work when we lose the silkbugs? Theres no power sheathe done unless we're using the clutch claw but on other weapons silkbind moves would look ridiculous unless its just strictly positioning and evasion techniques
At 1:19 I mentioned repurposing the hook slinger to do some of the things the wire bug used to do. With power sheathe you could fire the hook slinger into the ground then use it to pull you a short distance forward while sheathing for the same effect. In the IG chapter I mentioned using the hook slinger to perhaps grapple on to the environment the same way Silkbind vault used in Sunbreak.
As a charge blads main i would pick air dash but with how spamable it is combined with wirebug wisperer id go with axe hopper. But if this was gu i would definitely pick energy blade
It would be awesome if they combined air dash and axe hopper into one move. That way, you could go up in the air with a axe hopper and have the choice of either coming down with an SAED, or you can shoot the head and retreat with an air dash.
Oh this is a playstyle I’ve got to try. I don’t think I’ve used both airdash and axe hopper at the same time. Hell yea
This sounds so LIT! Goddamn you’re cooking!
While I think Insect Glaive's dust nuke is cool, I think I'd prefer that snappy Kinsect dash you can use in the air. It's much more practical than the cumbersome helicopter attack.
Oh yea Kinsect slash has been brought up a ton in this comment section. It was my 2nd choice tbh should've been my first to vibe with everyone, but hey it fosters discussion!
I would say taking into the account of focus mode. I wouldn't mind seeing strongarm stance for greatsword coming from rise into wilds. Seems pretty smooth and immersive within its means... Defensively and offensively
I hear ya! I feel like we got that move because they knew they were making Sunbreak to be pretty crazy. Damn near every weapon got a counter since the monsters are so fast and aggressive.
Of everything I think that water strike on hammer, blast dash on gunlance, and guard points on quick reload for gunlance should all be incorporated into their full movesets. They lend so much to the moveset’s variety and make no use of wirebugs
If Water Strike comes back I'd like some tweaking for sure I think a successful Water Strike should net you a lvl 3 Charge even if you aren't using courage charge mode. If Water Strike came back like that I'd be over the moon for sure. I agree with what you're saying in general though so many good moves came from Sunbreak regardless of how you feel about the game as a whole.
SWax counter. I fell inlove with it and i neeeeeeeeeeeeed
It’s so strong because of that reward. A lot of people have mentioned it here. I’ll be hella happy for y’all if it comes!
Greatsword: Strong arm Stance
Long sword: Sacred Sheath
Sword and Shield: Windmill
Dual Blades: Shrouded Vault
Lance: Insta Block
Gunlance: Blast Dash
Hammer: Water Strike
Hunting Horn: Silkbind Shockwave
Switch Axe: Elemental Burst Counter
Charge Blade: Counter peak performance tied to guard point
Insect Glaive: Awakened Kinsect attack
Light Bowgun: Fanning Maneuver
Heavy Bowgun: Crouching Shot
Bow: Aerial Aim
Good list! I like all of these moves tbh. I chose some others based on what type of game Wilds seems to be. You’ve got a bit more counters than my choices were, but I like where your head is at!
You already know. Soaring. Wvyern. Blade 😤
YESSSSIRRR we diving through the air with this one!
Gunlance was my second favorite weapon before risebreak, but I cannot stress enough how much blast dash would add in Wilds. Im a Wide Shelling guy, but in Rise Normal with blast dash is genuinely the most fun playstyle in the game
Yes man its sooo much fun and adds a much needed thing to the entire kit, mobility. You mentioned GL is your 2nd favorite whats your first favorite?
With IG you could also use your kinsect for a wirebug substitue. send out your bug and grapple to it
Oooooo I like where your head is at! It would make sense too! Maybe make it cost some kinsect stamina.
Please do a GU version of this video! Super curious on your thoughts of some of the moves not there in World and Rise, there are some I miss greatly myself, like the Charge Blade energy sword!
Well then I’ll get cracking on it. Energy blade is my CB pick!
For lance, the up and down stab attack sounds good for a second, but the guard tackle move does great blunt damage and opened me up to be so much more aggressive, so as a lance main I pick that
Ah yea Skyward Thrust was alright feel like it could be better if it worked like Metsu and had a window where you can counter and do it to get more damage out of it. Guard tackle is really nice as a Hammer main I LOVE getting KOs whenever I can. The ability to negate damage on the way is just the cherry on top!
I want the compressed finishing discharge to come back for Swaxe as I primarily play in axe mode swapping to sword mid combo.
Ooo that’s the first time that move has been mentioned here! Wish it was a bit stronger so that more would’ve chosen to use it. It was a fun move to pull off for sure.
I'll join you with a move that would be good for some weapons I like to play if it's not the same, but your Ideas are all good
- Great sword (started it all for me): the parry tackle, which raises attack on the next charged attack (either tcs or vailliant style charge), but the altenative gs combo with mobility is also good
- Sword n Shield: you can put the mestu shoryugeki as a secondary option for the perfect rush; press Y, you go into perfect rush; Press B (maybe in focus mode), you get a short sprint animation then bang!! metsu shorygeki
- Dual Blades (the old main): demon flight with spiral slash or shrouded vault in focus mode (paired with GU's vailliant mode sprint and a short i-frame window)
- Lance (my beloved new main): I love the idea of a move after insta-block, it has to be cross slash on Y and shield bash on B. But I also love the shield charge
- Switch Axe, I like the alternative for the zsd as a possible counter move
- Light bowgun: it's not a counter, but "wyvern counter' is a good emergency exit move
- Heavy bowgun: I would directly give it GU's valiant mode. Mixing crouching shot (overheat is still hear, but the ammo suffering from it differ according to the weapond) and the repositionning sprint will get me absolutely playing this.
If we're right, good, if we're wrong, dammit they got a better idea, but it will be good anyway
Your ideas are great too! Yea if we’re right great but if we’re wrong they got a better idea. Either way we’re eating good!
Ooh, ONLY 1 move? Thats actually kinda tough for HH, because there are a few good ones. Silkbind Shockwave for the extra elemental sound bursts, Perform for attacking and dodging at the same time, Sonic Bloom for a big chunk of damage, Crush for changing the direction of your combos on the fly...hard choice for sure.
Since they confirmed we're going back to a more classic style HH, I do hope that theyll be pulling from at least a few of their new ideas though. Aside from the simpler song mechanics there were some decent additions here and there
Ayeee good to see you here my guy. Yea it’s hard for a lot of weapons. Many of them have multiple playstyles in this game too. The response to this video has been amazing there is a lot less fighting than I thought. You guys are amazing.
As a longsword main and avid rise hater, serene pose is so. fucking. cool. It lets me have my two favorate things: anime ass moves and BIG NUMBERS. seriously tho its like the only reason i keep playing rose that move makes my brain go brrr
I hear you! Rise has so many good moves this was hard to make since there are so many good options.
weeb, rise hater
you're a walking contrdiction
Gunlance: Bullet Barrage. Reverse Blast Dash is great and all, but style points still much better... :3
God damn I love me some bullet barrage too. It just feels so damn good to dump the magazine straight into a monster.
I agree with Power Sheath for GS. Good mobility and power increase fits GS best.
For LS I'm torn between Sakura Slash and Sacred Sheath. Both are incredibly useful and fun options.
No argument with SnS. Shorugeki is immensely satisfying. Only other option is the Windmill for me.
Haven't really played DB so I can't comment.
LNC is odd. On the one hand more defensive options is right on brand but on the other having bursts of offensive might could be a good change of pace.
GL I never play so I'll defer to you on that.
HM main myself and I have to go with Spinning Bludgeon. Spin to win baby and having a way to get into the air to chase those monsters that love flying is something I can appreciate. Other than that it's Impact Crater all the way. Having a big have mercy hit on demand is a big welcome when the monster is down or stunned. Immense satisfaction.
HH needs to keep a lot of core movement from Rise. HH felt so much better and fun to play in Rise that when I tried it in World it just felt bad to play. So I was say keep it's core movement and attacking.
SA is Switch Charger for me. Do get me wrong Soaring Wyvern is just pure gas and fun but I love having an immediate reload that comes with movement.
CB I don't know about that. It seems like it's putting an unneeded injection of skill into a weapon that already needs skill to pull off the guard points. Maybe having it as an "oh crap" move and has a cool down not unlike the GL's Wyvern Fire. Personally I want the Spinning Condense Slash. That saw on a stick is just too much fun.
IG has to have Awakened Kinscet Attack. Gathering essences is without a doubt the worst part of using that weapon. Chucking that bug out to get all three, even on a cool down is mile better.
BW I would choose Focus Shot. Quick stamina recovery after a good barrage, you can't go wrong.
I don't play any of the guns. Doesn't gel with me personally.
All great takes with great reasoning. I do think CB is gonna keep the pizza cutter. It’s too popular and it’s been around for quite a while at this point since GU. I also think we’ll keep spinning bludgeon as our sliding attack like it was in World. I’m excited to see more about focus mode so I can form an actual opinion on it.
For IG Kinsect Slash, though Awakened Kinsect Attack is a close second.
GL needs Blast Dash and I don't even play GL.
Ah I feel ya. Kinsect Slash was my close second. Glad you agree with my GL take Blast Dash is just so damn good.
Sacred sheath from rise and being able to parry with long sword was very cool.
long sword is already over powered as is giving is a wake up move as strong as greatsword is insane. I dont personally agree with it, while it is awesome and i find it very fun to use as well i dont think it'd trasnfer well as longsword is already good enough
I’m glad you agree! It was dope as hell.
Easy fix though you can tone it down for Wilds I do like the concept of building meters to spend them all in one go!
I used lance for most of the rise playthrough I started when I got sunbreak, and I have to say I love instablock. If longsword is able to completely avoid damage by timing actions, lance should be able to do the same since it's supposed to be the ultimate defensive weapon. timing your guards to match the rhythm of a monster's combo or multi-hit attack was just super satisfying to pull off too, imo. I've played a lot of lance in the other entries I've played as well, but I would definitely miss it if it wasn't an option going forward. another move I really liked for lance was the shield charge, it was nice to have a gap closer that doesn't leave you completely open to attacks and it even let you get a fair bit of stun power out of the weapon too.
For greatsword, I'd say either power sheathe or surge slash since it really changed up how you could play. definitely not strongarm stance, I was kind of disappointed that it became the most effective method of play for greatsword in rise. my number one wish for greatsword though is simply for the crit draw playstyle to be great again :p
I'm not even much of gunlance player, but yeah blast dash is very funny and the mobility it provides is neat. still have a hard time envisioning it in a game like world or wilds though ngl lol
for dual blades, shrouded vault. I loved adept dual blades in GU and shrouded vault was the closest thing we've gotten to recreating that. I've no idea what resource it'd be tied to, maybe just additional stamina or demon gauge, so you have to stay aggressive to be able to use it often?
this one might be controversial but a guilty pleasure of mine was switch axe's burst counter. the animation of the successful counter attack was awesome and felt really impactful! I could definitely see the 2-stage morph combo working too, or even soaring wyvern blade with how you described it as a follow-up to ZSD.
I don't think there's many others that I feel too strongly about, but I might like something like round force for sword and shield, and for oils to return in some capacity. apologies for the lengthy comment, but I do think this is an interesting topic for discussion! nice idea for a video :)
Thanks man I'm glad you really enjoyed the video. All your takes are great as well some of the moves you mentioned here are some runner up moves I was thinking of when I was making this video. I'm gonna do another one of these videos here pretty soon, but we'll focus on GU moves I'd love to see come forward.
@@Jaycan thanks for reading and for the response! I look forward to seeing that video :)
For Greatsword I would keep the Guard Tackle, I just enjoy using it so much more than the shoulder bash.
I would remove all of the LS's counters and keep the Sacred Sheathe combo. I really love LS keeping it's roots as a Greatsword in 1st Gen, while being different for both weapons.
I really don't know what to keep from the other weapons, I just want Long Sword to go back to it's pre GU self.
The tackle is pretty nice even though I prefer shoulder bash myself. Yea LS is way different than it used to be for sure. So many counters now. Kinda feels like it’s stepping on Lance’s toes tbh.
I want Kinsect Slash to return on the IG.
You and many others in this comment section. It was my running up pick for IG!
HBG tackle is great. It's more risky and requires more deliberate use as you take more chip damage than GS tackle by virtue of being a ranged weapon
Ahhhh oh yea I think the tackle is here to stay for sure. I’d hate to see it go.
100% Agree with your switch axe choice
Thanks I’m glad you agree. Swaxe has a couple different options that would all be amazing.
I mean, I know it's greedy but they really need to keep Tetraseal and Kinsect Slash for Insect Glaive. Gun to my head, I guess I'd go for Kinsect Slash just because it really makes Aerial combat feel legit but Tetraseal is so needed for IG to feel like its ground combos actually slap hard without moving us around all the time.
Also 100% agree with SnS and Metsu, I feel like I'm missing a limb when I play SnS on older games now.
Oh yea I was doing the same kinda thing in my head when I got to IG I really like the added mobility that comes from silkbind vault. It would make using the mid air attack way easier since you could manage your mid air position a lot better. Kinsect slash was the other one I was really thinking about it feels like you’re a wasp stinging the monster over and over. Goodness it’s so damn satisfying and nice to use.
HH is one of my favourites in RiseBreak and that Shockwave + Double Note idea is too good, you're cooking with that one.
-Insect Glaive: I would pick the Kinsect Slash, I really like its precise aerial attack and follow it up with Kinsect Spike/Diving Wyvern feels so good
-Gunlance: My current main and I'm kinda torn between Blast Dash and Reverse Blast Dash. Zipping around chasing monster with BD is too fun but RBD is just too good and versatile, it has decent mobility, i-frames, and damage (Stun from shield & easy to combo into slam)
Bow: I really like Stake Thrust, a fast melee attack that buffs arrow shots and its just too cool looking. If it returns to WIlds, maybe make it explode after several hits before it dissapears
I’m glad you’re enjoying my double note idea! Gunlance gotta have blastdash in someway. If we end up with only reverse blastdash I’ll be kinda sad since I don’t use RBD all that much.
And also serves no real purpose since you already get double notes from hitting... all this serves to do is encourage corner horning.
And honestly, one thing hunting horn players have always wanted is having attack up not on the main song list. If we're going to make tweaks to moves, changing something to add attack up as a default all horn move would go way more. (Like giving us magnificient trio, but instead of playing all songs, it just plays attack up)
As a fellow hammer main I acutaly want a very subtle change to hammer that rise made, being able to go Into the final swing of the big bang after the gulf swing you do out of spinning attack, apply that to world/iceborne hammer and amp up our KO values and il be in heaven
Whew man that would be nutty and so much fun. Big Bang usage would go up as well since it comes from a charge attack now. Hell yes
The charge blade was ruined by counter peak performance in mhr. If guard points became a method of charging the phials it would be even worse as you could just spam counter. Countering to charge phials just skips half of the gameplay loop of the weapon: charging phials in sword mode and dispensing with an SAED, or charged axe attacks. Guard points already give enough benefit for landing them.
I feel ya. I could kind of end up like Long Sword where if you land a counter you get another meter instead of the traditional way where you have to land the spirit combo to go up. You bring up good points many others here have said my suggestion for CB is too strong. Maybe its because I don't use Guard Points I feel like they're harder to land than they actually are.
Surge slash combo.
This switch skill made me try the Great Sword and it became my main weapon even in World and Gen Ultimate
Man I feel like a lot of Switch Skills got people to dabble which let to them picking up new weapons they wouldn’t have otherwise it’s awesome to hear! Which style do you use with GS in GU?
@@Jaycan Aerial style.
Not the best but it's fun as heck.
Adept is my second favorite
Sometimes the fun factor is all you need!
I want to keep any move that trips or launches other players. That is part of the fun and social interaction for me. As a sns enjoyer, i would like a slap move.
Hell yea I hope snowman and mudman come back as conditions. Kicking or hitting your fellow hunters to help them out mid hunt is such a good experience.
As a lance main, Insta block is great but I think it makes lance too focused on it because of how good it is. Making other moves less used or not really used that much. I played rise first before going to world and I would say that I like world better. I seldom used counter thrust and power guard in rise because insta block is always the better option. And honestly I would like my shield to block than to parry. As for what I want, I think the shield charge is pretty good move to retain. Always love to use it when monster charge at me. Stunning them this way is always an epic scene for me.
Oh yea I feel that. It would have to be balanced better so you won’t have that issue again.
I don't think CB really needs anything. Guard points already give you some charge back but not the actual phials. It's considered to be a very complex weapon, and guard-pointing shouldn't get easier. Though I definitely agree with you on the fact that we need more thorough in-game explanations for them.
Spamming SAEDs should not be the way to go. If anything, they need to bring back the depletion of your shield every time you do SAEDs, but to a lesser extreme like shortening the timer.
@@lazyshadow5027 I hear you. I wasn’t saying make the guard points easier. I was saying give CB players more of a reward for landing them since they’re a bit technical and take time to get used to doing them right. A lot of people have said any idea of full Phil’s recharge is too strong which is fair so maybe a single phial or two upon landing a GP would be the sweet spot.
For IG tetraseal, i just like that attack more then the base attack.
CB i like firing pin, but i really like the counter more and seeing you shoot the hook into the ground to brace would be cool.
Switch axe counter from sunbreak feels like it should have always been part of the weapons kit and hopefully the smooth transition for the dodge swap stays also.
For DB either the counter or the aerial gameplay
For SS also the counter.
I kinda like the risk reward game play of counters on weapons it seems. LoL
Good picks! I just hope that the game isn’t so fast that it requires us to have this many counters. I think that’s why Sunbreak has so many counters because the gameplay is so fast.
@@Jaycan even if the game is slower they could tighten up the windows on the counters or make them a resource drain (kinda like switch axe counter draining amp bar in Rise) pull of the counter and get powered up, miss the counter and you lost resources and probably take a hit from the monster. Good risk reward for more aggressive play.
Honestly as a hammer main I'd love to see spinning meteor back. It may not be the most versatile and effective move (mainly 'cuz it's pretty hard to land) but sure as hell it's the most satisfying. Also the damage is bonkers if it lands fully at lvl 3 lmao 💀
Oh yes I think its staying. There will be a lot of hills so opportunities to slide and get it going for sure!
Oh yes I think its staying. There will be a lot of hills so opportunities to slide and get it going for sure!
So I don't know most things about these weapon moves since I haven't played Rise and have only seen a little bit of content but I am even more lost since some of the weapons don't show their silkbind move in the video as you're talking about it :/ not trying to be rude about it or anything but just really hard to follow from my end when I don't see a name that matches up with what you're saying in the footage
Ah I feel ya. Appreciate the feedback when I make the GU one I’ll make it a little slower and try to get the moves to match up. I’d imagine there are more people who haven’t played GU so it’ll be more important in that one.
@@Jaycan Looking forward to it! I still got the gist of the video since you were describing them as you went but nothing beats seeing the move in action, but figured I would just give the little bit of feedback
Ironically, the things I want for the weapons I main are modes rather than actual moves
Destroyer Oil for SnS (though I'd actually just prefer the generations oils as a whole to come back) and Feral Demon Mode (or if we go even further back, True Demon Mode from Frontier). Though based on what's been told in JP previews, it sounds like we might have something akin to Feral Demon Mode/True Demon Mode, as both of these modes had a focus on evasion, which is how people described the new mode Dual Blades was seen using in the JP preview
EDIT: Your take on implementing Counterpeak Performance sounds a bit too strong still imo. I think it should either give 2 phials, or set your sword charge to the next stage; if your swords partially charged it goes to full charge, and then you load your phials, or if it's not charged it goes to partial charge, letting you get to 5 phials sooner. If it was implemented as part of the GP system, leads into SAED and otherwise left as is it'd still be too strong, especially if it auto-loaded your phials.
Yea destroyer oil is nice, but I’d love chaos oil to comeback even if they have to make it a little weaker to justify it since it’s so strong. Yea maybe even then getting free phials for blocking would be amazing. Best offense is a great defense could really be the weapon’s motto if they get it right!
For me it should be (realistically):
GS: Guard tackle, it just makes sense
LS: Double slash
SnS: Spinning reaper
Lance: Charged sweep, its just what lance needed
Gl: Yeah, i aint gonna play that weapon without blast dash, but i think it should be like frontier's, its a lot more realistic. Also im breaking the rule with this weapon. I shouldnt even explain it but GUARD RELOAD, it doesnt make ANY SENSE that you have a shield as big as lance's and not guard while youre reloading. The shield should be part of the moveset, just like lance. It feels so stupid and wrong that you have to stop whatever youre doing to sidestep and then guard insteand of having a guardpoint on a weapon with 0 mobility (im looking at you mhw). A parry seems to op for me and i think it would harm the weapon's identity, but guard reload fits all these needs perfectly, plus it just MAKES SENSE.
Hammer: yup, i like the stance system but they should do something with it, differentiate more the movesets
HH: I think they should lean more into the shockwaves and offensive aspect, its already a support weapon that packs a punch but if it packed an even bigger punch more people would enjoy it
CB: Give. The. Ready. Stance. Back. CB axe mode is a PAIN to move around, at least this move prevents it to be completely exposed
SA: yeah, no. Copy paste the SA from world. I DESPISE SA on sunbreak, they made the weapon feel like cardboard, not a giant dragonbone explosive axe
IG: soaring wyvern, FEELS RIGHT moving thru the air just to nail the monster's head to the ground
Bowguns: The biggest problem these 2 weapons have are their differences, well, the lack of them. I want LBG to lay more into the traps aspect, using mines, countering the monster (yup, wyvern counter) and using your mobility to drive it into explosive/status traps.
When it comes to HBG i think the move it needs the most is the sidestep, but hell no, give the allmighty tackle back. Feels like it always should have been there, nothing like shooting a big ass artillery cannon, staggering the monster with a shoulder tackle and blowing up its face. I think they should lean more into the slow but brutal aspect of the weapon
Bow: yeah, double powershot, give us something else to do other than dancing all around the place
Thanks for this in-depth comment. Not sure any reply I conjure up will do it justice. Guard reload has been mentioned many times in this comment section your breakdown of it makes it ring even more true. I feel like the Swaxe problem you have has more to do with the feel of the entire game. World was allowed to be slower and chunkier with some hit-stop to make every hit feel impactful. Sunbreak moves too damn fast for that so all that hit stop and crunchiness has to go.
If I could have one move for greatsword, it would be a charged upswing. Combos would be nuts.
Thats from Frontier from what I heard, but it would be brand new to the main line! I'd LOVE a charged upswing. Imagine landing a a lvl 3 upswing on a high up tail and cutting that bad boy off!
GU had silkbind vault for IG already without Wirebugs so Wirebugs aren't needed.
I'd much rather have Kinsect Slash though. Not only is it a good attack for the air, but it gathers Extract too
I feel you, I almost chose Kinsect Slash for this video. I decided to go with even more mobility instead. Kinsect slash is so good.
They need to keep impact crater for the hammer. One of the most satisfying moves for any weapon
@@MikeyV77 if it does come back they need to get the balance right. In Rise is was too strong where if you ain’t spamming it you’re not doing great damage. Then in Sunbreak it takes so long and so many bugs that it became less worth it to do it. They need a place in the middle as far as balance goes.
I main all the sword weapons....would actually like to see tempered spirit blade in the next game for LS, I just like it's utility a lot. GS would be definitely the alternative combo for more combo options. DB needs spiral slash, it's just too cool. SnS metsu is a no brainer. People may not agree, but SA counter for me was the most satisfying counter in sunbreak and really added a great layer to the weapon imo. CB would be a toss between Axe hopper for auto saed or ready stance for pizza cutter fun
Pizza cutter could be great if they remove that it goes away when you sheathe. Then we wouldn’t even need ready stance any more. I’m still a little miffed about them doing that to CB.
@@Jaycan true I forgot that it was just like an additional attack option in world
for gunlance, we really do need more mobility, but maybe not blastdash?
like, in old mh it used to be that the trade off for picking gunlance over lance is that you get a much more powerful weapon, but much less speed
you didn't have a dash move, you only had one sidestep dodge instead of 3, that kinda thing
but then gunlance started to fall behind on the power to the point that it's not a good trade off anymore
also, the reason you don't see charged shelling is because in world and rise, burst shelling is simply too powerful, so choosing a wide gunlance, where charged shelling is ideal for dealing with tough monster parts, is just objectively the wrong decision
also, that thing about charge blade getting phials on guard counter is far far far too powerful
it's so easy to get guard counters that it would remain as powerful as sunbreak's counter move
Yea you're not the only one whos mentioned my CB idea was too strong haha. I think Gunlance's problem is the shelling balance its always strong early, but falls off late game. I don't envy the position Capcom is in when it comes to balancing the Gunlance. They could choose to make it stronger and less mobile, but a lot of people loved having mobility. They could make it more mobile yet weaker so it can stick to the monsters and shell and poke more.
Anyway i Highly agree 👍 with your choices in this video
Thanks! I’m glad you like it. I might do another one but a GU version. Gu has got some moves I’d love to see again.
spiral slash is good, a good secondary would be feral wolf mode from generations ultimate, double the dps of the highest dps weapon,
shhhhhhh you’ll spoil the GU edition of this video I plan on making! Haha
The move I want back is energy blade. I mean, come on, it's THERE, there's obviously a precedent for it, but why not make it another kind of SAED. Maybe once you start the SAED, you can just have it be another option. You can press R2 to charge shield obviously, you pull back the movement stick and press the top button to do the AED, you hit L2 to go into savage axe mode, and lastly you just let it go to do SAED. Why not make it so you can just press R2+top button to make it do an animation where you just throw a right straight with the weapon spinning, it locks in place as you cock back your fist, and the punch just unleashes a BLAST of energy.
Oh that’s a good way to put it back in the game for sure. Another option to do out of that animation before the SAED/AED kinda smart actually!
As a CB main, I really don't want counter peak performance coming back. It's fun, but it would completely break a slower paced game. Even if it came back in the way that you described in the video, it would just be a broken version of a guard point.
I would much rather have either Morphing advance come back because of it's amazing repositioning ability, or ready stance because of its potential synergy with savage axe.
If they make it so that you can AED out of ready stance, then I would definitely choose ready stance over morphing advance.
Ah I could see that. Ready Stance is nice, but it feels like a solution to something that doesn’t have to be a problem. Sunbreak was weird where you’d loose savage axe if you sheathe or morph out of axe mode. It is still nice to do though so you can keep up the attacks with it.
@@Jaycan Yeah, I'm not really sure why that was a thing. It would be really awesome if Wilds combines both Worlds and Rises versions of savage/spinning axe.
That way it won't go away when sheathed like in world, and they can make it so that your philes don't have a time limit and can come back after a certain amount of hits like in rise.
@@JJ68758 Bingo! I’m really hoping NG that’s the entire philosophy of the game. A mix of the best of both World and Rise with some new features on top!
Surge Slash combo
I almost picked that one. I like how surge slash makes status and element greatsword more viable since you’re dealing more hits.
As a swax main, I'll be having 2 stage morph combo incase the game isn't a element environment. I'll definitely miss my wire step and EBC for sure
Ah I feel that. I'm hoping they take some of that Sunbreak Patch 4 DNA and keep elements relatively good. Its a hard thing to balance for sure I don't envy Capcom in the slightest.
the alternate dash for the bow in Rise, that can whack the monster with the wardart. i want to continue to play melee bow because funny.
Goodness melee bow... you have a death wish with the paper mache gunner armor.
@@Jaycan it's pretty sink-or-swim yeah, but the parry/near-miss sound is a dopamine cannon and being able to cut tails just by dodging at them is a wonderful thing.
With that running thing gs did, that was using the hook slinger like a wirebug to attach to the monster and run as it retracted. I get what you mean.
power sheath is fine, strong arm needs to die with an unmarked grave. GS is already getting a counter in focus mode and it's never been a weapon that needed a counter in the first place. Shoulder bash getting i frames is bad enough, in terms of eliminating the weapon's consequences. One of the big reasons Rise wasn't liked as much as World was that the weapons felt watered down, just to make them more like LS so that has to end if they want it to be more grounded and like World to get those fans back. Experement failure, weapon bias to such an extreme is bad.
Sacred sheath combo is fine, LS has more than enough counters as it is. Just don't let it counter for less damage, make it a big hit for LS only. It's the lesser of the many evils in Rise because it was a game that made everything else LS clones and buffed LS way too much.
Again, if they're smart, they'll want to kill as many of these counters as possible.
Lance is one of the last weapons that needs counters. The whole point is tanking so taking the hits with the shield and being immovable, as you land short pokes within opening too small for other weapons to use. Lance got shit on for the entirety of Rise. Sadly the least insulting thing lance got was the charged swing. Yes it goes against the point of shorter openings but it gives you an option for those larger openings that does more damage when you get them, like wake up hits.
Blast dash is great but it needs a rework for balancing. Just map the buttons differently so you don't lose charged shells like in Rise. Like hold circle to charge shell or hold circle + X instead to blast dash so everyone gets both of them at all times. Don't punish the players that want charged shells, by removing this mobility options entirely for only them. That's why your never saw charged shelling in Rise.
Honestly, I hated this move more than any other in the game. In Rise it felt like CB got a huge combo speed nerf only to justify this move existing, The slower moves nerfed guard points. It's like the game was saying "but why bother? Why do your combos to charge when you can just use this counter to skip it?" It and the SA counter in Sunbreak murdered the flow of these weapons. You didn't have to work to charge them anymore. On top of that, counter peek performance was the most generous counter window in base Rise, anyone could land that thing so it wasn't even reward for skill. You could just pop it and easily get full phails. Giving that to normal guard points still invalidates the play style of charging with your sword. Even if the flow was the same as World, so it felt good to guard point, that's too much. Guard pointing on demand is easy, just swap to axe mode and that's an instant guard point to charge whenever you want. It's the ones mid combo where this flow matters. Rise ruined that.
So just a second air dash? Why? I'm a little torn, i know they won't buff IG, it's been 2 generations and Rise only accidentally dug up the fallacy of bow and IG's abusing relationship. What i mean is, both weapons are mobile, safer, elemental options. One's in the air and one is at range as they both dash around between attacks. So why the hell is the damage gap so wide? Rise made the 2 more alike when they said that each consecutive areal move buffs the next, that's a lot like bow charge levels in its combo. It was insulting that they didn't realize this, areal aim even lets bow go up in the air too. Diving wyvern was a clone of an Iceborne move so it may be back. 4th gen weapons are the one Rise ruined the most, while trying not to say they were. They were unapologetic about lance. IG need areal damage, not mobility. Aurora somnocanth has a move where if a hunter is at a different elevation, on her sweeping beam's path, the beam will move up or down withh ledges. Make more attacks like that, that can move up to hit IG users, so you guys aren't afraid to give IG areal damage. Let it be less safe, if yo have to, but let IG shine in the air for once. Ground glaive should never do more damage, just like slap lance, never make it better to ignore a weapon's unique traits.
It's not just a counter but it's a tanking move that erases projectiles for you team, that's a lance move bro. LBG ain't no tank.
Crouching shot, is fine, you have to have big openings because you can't move so there's a trade off. Maybe if a lance user in the team is tanking for you it's more usable, they got the new agro mechanic so they hold attention for you while you use this. That way HBG can choose itehr the tank play stile or the sniper play style.
A lot of what Rise tried for weapons were about quality of life for weapons, bringing back old lost ideas. Not about making everything a Longsword clone and thinking that every weapon simply being able to counter makes it a Longsword clone. Then you haven't played enough of the weapons or experimented with different playstyles because Risebreak gave you so many choices, and yet people complained because they didn't like the "best option" Even though the best option in monster hunter has always been whatever works best for you as an individual. Its about choice. And don't think that the game is taking that choice away from you because you don't want to pick the less optimal choice.
I can almost guarantee this new focus mode will introduce mechanics that you won't like.
Greatsword getting a counter, or potentially more armored moves like shoulder tackle. That's not a bastardization of the weapon's identity because its still high risk, high reward because you're still taking that damage. I loved strongarm stance, but I didn't like that it was just a straight up counter. I think Greatsword should keep rage slash, that way it has a "Counter" but still plays into that high risk style that people like.
Longsword is functionally a counter based weapon now, that's how it is, and its what people love so its here to stay, so I have no issues if they want to expand on that.
Dual blades is fast its mobile, all I want for that weapon is an even bigger reward for being aggressive.
Hammer is the definitive charge weapon (Even though greatsword likes to think it is) and I think the charge system of Hammer should be built upon. I loved being able to switch between charge modes in Rise, and Sunbreak adding a way to cleanly transition between the two while maintaining charge made the flow of hammer so much more rewarding and interesting to play.
I'm happy Hunting horn is going to be getting a return to form (To a certain extent, they also said that it would be receiving a huge amount of changes) In my eyes Hunting horn is not just about positioning. Its a musical weapon, hunting horn users should get to dance with the monster. I want to see more evasive elements worked into the moveset of horn, I want them to build on the flourish mechanic, gives us more multi swinging moves that let us pile notes onto the staff really fast, let us control the pace of our playing so we can move with the monster. I like the aggressive style of Rise but I don't want it to lose the methodical rhythmic pacing that it had in the old games either.
The lances are tank weapons and tanks should be able to tank, I don't see why it being a counter or a guardpoint or just standing there and blocking makes it different. They are defensive weapons, so give us defensive options. Instant block is one of the best things to happen to Lance given that it rewarded us for being able to time our strikes and block at appropriate times in order to get the counter attack. Lance should be able to stay on top of the monster and deal consistent damage because being a shield isn't its only function, because it still is a weapon and there's no reason it should lose out on being able to dish out damage because it doesn't fit the classic idea of what a tank should be.
Gunlance in my opinion should have a stronger emphasis on offense, so give us guard reload back, put a guard point on quick reload, give us repositioning tools like blast dash or blast evade from frontiers, let gunlance be the offensive monster of the two defense oriented weapons.
Charge blade to me always felt like the original guardpoint counter based weapon. And getting a more streamlined method of charging would only help the weapon in the long run. A lot of people choose not to play it because they don't want to charge the sword to charge the phials to charge the shield to amp the sword to get the biggest attack you can get. The focus should be on charging but charging doesn't HAVE to be inconvenient.
Switch axe isn't a charge weapon, it does have a gauge you can charge but that's not at the core of the weapon, so giving us a way to skip the build up and go right into amped state to do what people play the weapon for (zero sum lmao) Is a healthy addition for the weapon. It doesn't have to be a counter but I don't think Sunbreak's SA counter was a bad thing for the weapon it looked cool as hell and made the weapon more approachable and fun.
Insect glaive SHOULD 100% get more air mobility, I don't mind Grounded glaive being where it does the most damage, it makes sense after all since its much harder to get leverage to hit hard when you are in mid air. What I want to see is more involvement with the kinsect since that is like, one half of the weapon. I want to see the kinsect get more treatment and more versatility. You should be able to have your bug attack with you, gather resources while you attack rather than being forced to do the annoying shooting the bug at specific parts. The glaive and the bug should be one cohesive unit.
Sword and Shield is a swiss army knife, as long as it can always do a bit of everything I couldn't care. I love the weapon, its pretty much perfect and every iteration makes it better at its role which is pretty much just a little bit of everything. (not an SNS main)
I can't really speak on the ranged weapons I don't play them but if I'm not mistaken a big point of Light and heavy bowgun is that they're extremely customizeable and always have been. You could play support Light bowgun or you can pile everything into being a little annoying mosquito that does decent damage. You could be a tanky gunner with heavy bowgun or a sniper or just a DPS Monster. and then Bow just kinda works as a buffer zone for people who like being right in the action but want to be quick, want to be fast but want to use a ranged weapon.
I really hope that whatever Wilds does to change the weapons satisfies you. And of course you can always go back and play most of the old games if you aren't happy with the new ones.
I wish you a good day and I hope that you can be a little bit more open minded and less spiteful in the future! It's okay to not like something but not liking it doesn't mean it was bad. Always keep that in Mind :)
What a comment! Never change man I love them. I almost picked the attack that gather extract for IG since I like it so much and that attack did a lot for the air glaive playstyle. Charged shelling could be dope with having access to blastdash at the same time.
@@zacharyhansen8250 Is hyperbole a new concept? Also no, Iceborne taught us that meta can just matter on a whim, like alatreon. IG was stupid in that fight because ground IG wasn't a choice anymore do to his hit zones that forced it on you. Also them making a hunt based on a system they've admitted they failed at repeatedly was a dumb move. Usually that stuff doesn't matter but weapon balancing always has to matter just in case they pull shit again. Also the culture of fools that will kick you for playing unoptimal play styles while they keep dying in meta sets.
My point was that shoulder barge was dumb but acceptable, hell you agree that Rise's shit giving you a buff while negating all damage is bad.
DB, hammer, and hh i more or less agree with you on those.
Lance should reward the sustained damage and taking advantage of those opening that other weapons can't. giving it lazy a counter just makes it less unique. The problem with lance is that they've always hated the idea of giving it any damage and in Rise they only gave it if you played in a way counterintuitive to its design. You had to keep up that stupid counter buff or your pathetic damage was even worse and said buff was weaker if you had guard skills. You were punished for building into the weapon's niche. It was an utter failure of a rework and Sunbreak's additions were just insulting.
No, Lance only ignores part of the damage formula where GL ignores all of it. If they made it too strong then that would ruin the game. Just make more armored monsters that let it shine. Also Rise fucked up because blast dash cost you charged shells so if you used the type that liked those fuck you. If they alter the controls just slightly, as i said, we can all have both.
It could be easier but skipping the charging entirely, like in Rise, was overdoing it.
AS getting one of the most generous counter windows in the game was the issue there. Also if you keep making too many and too generous of allowances for noobs, like that asshole Bloodborne streamer that rage quit after low rank khezu, than it's the slow death of the series' identity. They said that they are taking steps back to make things more like World and to ensure weapons fit their personalities more in Wilds. That's the intent but we'll see how it goes.
The bug doing more i agree with but the other half of what makes the weapon unique is being in the air. Again, you should never be punished for using what's unique about a weapon. It should never be optimal to ignore one of a weapon's core traits entirely.
Except for when they fuck up and S&S is either accidentally better at something than the weapons where that is their only niche. Also perfect rush proved that they had no clue or care as to how to handle the weapon. It was meant to replace falling bash, if you wanted elemental damage, It was a trash rhythm game that was too weak to justify engaging with. So they buffed it but were lazy so just ended up buffing motion value/raw, when element was its entire reason for it existing. S&S is the definition of an identity crisis.
I'm hopeful for Wilds, can't be worse than Rise. Don't get the wrong, Rise was fun, if you turn your brain off to ignore its flaws.
@@Jaycan For IG, the one that uses all your extracts for a big kinsect hit would be fun.
Adding blast dash without removing anything would be easy. it's just a combo of holding 2 buttons at once.
@@jockpackage1770 man from what I'm reading it just sounds like you want things harder than they need to be.
Nothing wrong with that. Alatreon's fight was pretty poorly received because it stripped away our freedom of choice which isn't really something that's ever happened in monster hunter before.
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As a CB main, the thought of Guard Points being rewarded with even a *single* phial gets me hot and bothered. If a GP yielded max phials, or even just 3, it would be insanely powerful!
lol maybe I went too far with full phials but an even more rewarding Guard point sounds that good huh?
Hunting horn: Silkbind shockwave could outright be a new song, but shouldn't give anything more than that (so it doesn't count as double beats) I don't see why it can't be selfish, it would encourage the HH to be more offensive rather than corner horning anyway..
If we want to suggest an improvement to HH, silkbind shockwave for double notes isn't the best way to go regardless... that still goes to making attack up a generic song outright. MAYBE have magnificient trio as part of the base moveset which always gives attack up.
I feel ya! Having every horn have attack up would be dope as hell, but I still feel we would find a horn that has affinity up. Then everyone would use that one mostly. I do like the idea of a selfish horn, but it’ll still be a group buffing the no that people would love.
@@Jaycan affinity up isn't that important because most people would already gear for max affinity anyway, while attack up benefits everyone regardless of gear.
@@sinteleon if Silkbind Shockwave's effect were to be a song instead, it'd need to be on every HH for sure. Wayyy too strong of a buff for only a few to get. Same with Attack Up tbh; we've already seen how much that throws off the balance between Horn choices. I could really see them just putting buffs like this on Self Improvement to avoid having every song list share the same 2-3 songs, but that'd probably make Self Improvement kinda bloated with the 2 effects it already gives. To me, Silkbind Shockwave seems like something that'd work a little better on a meter mechanic tbh.
And Affinity Up's usefulness directly depends on how easy affinity is to stack in a game's armor set meta. It was pretty good in Rise for example, since Crit Eye wasn't being stacked super high that often. A lot of builds just ran with Weakness Exploit and whatever affinity was on your weapon normally, so the song's extra 20% bumped those up nicely. If it's a game more like World/Iceborne though, with sets like Drachen and Fatalis? Then yeah, not nearly as valuable
@@KPlaysHere I'd note that silkbind shockwave would need to be rebalanced if it was a song, to be comparable to sonic burst (and/or sonic burst be buffed to compare with silkbind shockwave), but still, do note that the bonus damage from silkbind shockwave is fixed; the value of it gets weaker with stronger affinity hunting horns (and likely gets no benefit from the wounding mechanic). And more importantly, it is a selfish song, meaning there's less benefit in a party outright; party buffs could easily be ranked higher even if a horn doesn't have SS.
They better bring back guard reload and blast dash for my Funlance...
Hell yea keep it fun! Blast dash baby!
Also for hammer i really want courage mode back im a valor meat rider
Courage is so awesome. Supports element or status playstyles. Great to still see you here btw you’ve been here so long man like before I hit 100 subs. I really appreciate the support!
@@Jaycan dude Im always lurking sometimes I just can't think of a good comment keep up the banger shit dawg
I've already accepted that anything even remotely arcade-y is only a possibility in the "portable" series of monhun games.
Since Wilds is a "grounded" monhun game I'm 99% positive any wirebug/HunterArt move will not be in Wilds.
There might be a "more balanced" version, which wouldn't be a 1 for 1 and would upset people.
I feel ya but I feel like they might take some moves and repurpose them to fit the slower style. LS feels like it’s always in valor mode now even in World which is the grounded slow game.
It's easier for hunting horn, because some of them (Silkbind shockwave, bead of resonance, sonic bloom) could be repurposed as new songs outright.
Nah, im thinking you get a phial or two when you guard point
Getting it to the max would be too quick since you could hit guard points fast, especially I can as a CB main
This mechanic would instead be a supporting move for getting phials rather than replacing the yellow to red charging mechanic.
Many others have said something similar about my CB idea. All phials is a bit too strong. Similar things have been said about a phial or maybe two per GP.
for sns i dont think well get metsu. i would like spinning reaper and plunging thrust
Man I’ll be so bummed it’s even fun in Generations Ultimate too with Shoryugeki. Feels like it’s been around long enough to be a staple in the move set although World did skip it in favor of perfect rush.
Scared Sheath of Long sword
I totally want charge blade’s energy blade hunter art from gen
Dude yes a lot of people want that. I think there is a mod for it on PC.
@@Jaycan yeah for rise, but it replaces the guard point silkbind sooooo
Ahhh that’s tragic.
Gunlance player here… agreed
I'm glad you agree with the take!
AA flare no debate
Oh yea that might be in the GU version of this video I’m planning to make!
I hope they put in the charged lance slap
I hope it becomes a charged multi hit poke rather than a slap, but I feel ya I like that move too.
I WANT GUARD RELOAD IN WILDS
GUARD RELOAD, GOD !! GUARD RELOAD!!!
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT I HEAR YA! This move has been mentioned a lot in this comment section as well. A lot of Gunlancers really love this Guard Reaload!
If there’s a weapon that deserv- no.. needs to keep the fucking counter, is the Hammer. Water Strike became the most fun and fairly balanced counter (Looking at you long sword mfs getting all the good shit)
I said this in a previous comment so I'll quote and expand on it "If Water Strike comes back I'd like some tweaking for sure I think a successful Water Strike should net you a lvl 3 Charge even if you aren't using courage charge mode." This way you can have a counter heavy playstyle and still land a lot of lvl 3 charge attacks. If you aren't using courage mode in Sunbreak but landing a lot of Water Strikes it means you're not doing your ABC(Always Be Charging)
Give me heaven sent from rise as an endgame skill and I’ll be happy
Oh that’s a little different than what I did for this video, but that’s the one with infinite stamina and no sharpness loss right?
if someone takes my swax counter
i'm going to press counter button that made it go bye bye
also i think we should remove flinch free i can be trusted
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Lmao as a hammer main yes I can be trusted as well *upswing*
Nahhhhh hammer needs to use the slinger launch forward. With I frames and super armor then an instant full charge after the initial swing. I use that all the time in rise.
Ah you mean keeping sway with some upgrades?!?
DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T GIVE DUAL BLADES SPIRAL SLASH AGAIN
as a dual blades main it freaking ruined the enjoyment of dual blades since it made the whole move set obsolete, you had 3 moves on dual blades in sunbreak endgame
spiral slash for damage
shrouded vault, it wastes damage but a get out of jail card
demon flight a tighter counter that rewards you for landing it by doing a spiral slash
before I used the whole moveset of dual blades in base rise, iceborne and world
then spiral slash specially in the endgame ruined DBs since it costs 1 wirebug, dealt more dmg than demon dance, was faster than demon dance, could use it mid air
THE WHOLE MOVESET FELT SO BAD, I legit took it out of my moveset and replaced it with piercing bind but everything felt so bad
maybe because rise's combat felt less impactful and spiral slash was the most impactful move dual blades had + the insane numbers it had dual blades became easily the most brain dead weapon monster hunter has ever had
honestly piercing bind only problem in rise was it stopping the flow so if they can make it seamlessly turn into a combo it would be perfect for wilds
and the weak spot part once you get used to it you never worry about it again nor think about hitting a weak spot, you just do it without thinking and it always lands
@@ahmadbugshan9603 I feel you, but that can be fixed pretty easily. Your issue sounds like you just need the other moves to be buffed to match or tone down spiral slash.
@@Jaycan oh I agree to be honest I just instantly thought about sunbreak balance and didn't think about them changing the numbers
hopefully if we get it back it gets nerfed or becomes a focus mode attack that you can only do on a weak spot with the new tenderize mechanic
been playing greatsword for 10 years. power sheath is the correct take. greatsword does not need a counter. Greatsword needs number get bigger
I appreciate and I’m glad you agree! Thanks for watching!
What iwant to sword and shield is oil, just oil, pls capcom bring oil back
Oh man the oils returning would be PEAK affinity and stamina oil were my favorites. Stack that with chaos oil and MAAAAAN WE’RE COOKING!
@@Jaycan right, I still don't know why they remove it
@@zigayoutuber7256 chaos oil was damn strong and stacked with regular oils too. 100% affinity was way easy to get. I feel like they could tweak it to make sense and be better but oh well.
As a Lance main in almost every game in the series.... Keep Insta-Block far away from it.
Oh man you dislike insta-block that much? What move would you pick?
@@Jaycan well, the main thing with the Lance is that its basic poke combo is the core of the gameplan, and everything else in the kit is designed to let it poke more efficiently and more often, by sticking to the monster like glue and laughing at any attack it tries to do to shake you off. Out of the Rise moves, the one I like most in this regard is Shield Charge, since it covers that awkward middle ground between Guard Dash and Dash Attack when neither is exactly ideal for persuing a monster. Plus it does good KO damage too, so that's a nice bonus. Though, I wouldn't want it to replace the normal dash attack. Having both would be ideal.
Also technically not a move, but Rise buffed the Evade Extender skill, and Lance absolutely loved those longer distance evades. I'd hope that they keep that around.
I hear ya! I like the idea that lance is kind of a counter weapon so if you time blocking well you get rewarded with a high damage move to do after it. Having another dash is great I almost picked the move that lets you jump to the monster after you place a kunai in it. Evade Extender is huge for both Lance and GL along with IG as well. Good talk man thanks for commenting.
@@lasatar6428 This man knows his lance. I've lost thousands of damage because of that awkward middle ground. I hear you lance brother and I like how you think
I hope they don’t bring clutch claw back.
Oh I think you're safe!
metsu needs to go. they are just going to extremely overtune it (as they should because it is broken and overpowered) Instead they should bring the twin blade combo.
I feel what you're saying on that, but this is a brand new game they can turn things up or down based on previous outings. If the balance of the move is your only issue I'd say its not that big of an issue since patches are possible and with a brand new games comes brand new balancing.
I would pick no moves from sunbreak simply because no weapons need to have a million attacks. Sometimes less is more in a moveset.
Thats why I picked only one per weapon and didn't say "LETS BRING EVERY MOVE"
They need to remove the cringey Naruto run from the Dual Blades and go back to normal.
Eh I understand why they put it in though. Its a very easy to see indicator of whether you're in Demon Mode or not. Maybe they could change it to some other type of run, but I bet there would be a public outcry haha.
The old hunting horn. Please delete whatever you did in rise or make it its own weapon
You’re in luck they kinda soft confirmed that the horn will be more like World in an IGN interview with Kasey Defritas. I mentioned it in this video here. ruclips.net/video/trrkDLt40ok/видео.htmlsi=gnF1PGoxrfPAhuks
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@@choty7066there's not enough different about it for it to be its own entirely new weapon, and I probably wouldn't want to see a new music buffing weapon taking away from HH's uniqueness anyway.
If you ask me, they just need to dial the changes WAY back (like, back to World/IB as a base) and try to implement some of those new ideas in a way that doesn't outright replace classic moves and mechanics. Like, for example, add that neutral unsheathe, speed up recitals a bit, add a new move or 2 without taking any away, etc.
@@KPlaysHere yea i agree. No need to make it a new weapon. Could just bring back switch skills to allow more customisation
This guy talks like he's trying to keep his voice down so his parents don't catch him 😅
You’re not far off! I’m the parent. I typically get to record when the girl and the kids are sleeping so I don’t want to wake them up recording a video haha.
@@Jaycan
Waaay more wholesome than what I thought lol. I like your idea with the charge blade guard point
Do gu hunting arts
Let me get to cooking!
Hey Jay.... I also want Sacred Sheathe Combo back... I love that back hop, and unload, play-style...
Also, I want to see a return of Frostcraft, so I can really reign pain on anything that moves...
Sacred Sheathe plus Frostcraft goes DUMMY maybe if they skip Velkhana but bring back Oroshi Kirin we can still have Frostcraft on the Oroshi set.
@@Jaycan We really should have got Oroshi Kirin in Iceborne in my opinion... it made the most sense for his return to be there for obvious reasons... but I will certainly take him in Wilds, or Wilds' expansion...
Yea that’s who I guessed was coming in TU4 but I was off. I would’ve loved that for variety sake but oh well.