What Typhoid Mary teaches us about the coronavirus [CC]
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Mary's story is kind of a tragic one. She unfortunately lived in a time when germ theory wasn't really well known, and when people tended to live in cramped conditions. She was also Irish, and at the time there was a lot of anti-irish sentiment in New York. Her skills as a cook allowed her to have a relatively high-status position, and was one of the best-paid positions available to women at the time.
It's also pretty likely that she couldn't bridge the gap between "feeling fine" and being a carrier. And even knowing more about medicine, it's It's likely it was never explained well enough to her how she could potentially cause others to get ill or how to adequately prevent it by proper hand-washing and sanitation (that being said, it's fairly likely that she did not have access to indoor plumbing, which would make it more difficult to utilize proper hand washing)
Mary's story goes to show that while the medical science is important, it's also important to know how to communicate that science to people. It's also important for everyone to do their part and try to think of other people.
What makes the treatment of Mary highly problematic, is that there were other healthy carriers, many of whom were also cooks or in the food industry, who were also causing outbreaks, but none of them were treated even remotely like her. As far as I can remember from my history professor's lecture years ago, the biggest difference was that most of those carriers were male.
The importance of good education is such an important lesson from typhoid mary. All the social distancing rules and regulations wont work in a free democratic society, if the public isnt adequately informed and thus willing to keep those rules. Its a fine line between having strickt enough rules to keep the virus in check and being so strickt the public resents the rules and doesnt stick to them.
why did she then feel the need to chance work place each time family or co workers got sick/died ?
@@mikaelhansen7538 Well the first few times (before she was quarantined) I assume she left because she didn't want to catch typhoid herself.
The true moral of the story is to listen to people who are smarter than you. Know matter how educated you are, there is always someone somewhere who knows more about something than you do and it's wise to take advice.
Throwback to when I yelled "YOU'RE BEING A TYPHOID MARY JOSH!" at my flatmate who went to the pub before they got shut down.
To be fair to Mary, at that time the Irish were targets in America. It was not uncommon for Irish immigrants to be blamed for things they didn't do. Also at the time, most people had no idea that Asymptomatic was a thing. For most people, doctors included, it wasn't seen as possible to spread disease without having symptoms. So I'm sure Mary felt like she was being attacked and blamed because she was Irish and they were making up all this stuff about her. When they released her and told her not to be a cook, they also didn't bother to tell her how to properly sanitize herself so she wouldn't spread the disease.
This reply has nothing really to do with your comment, but I thought it was an interesting piece of trivia to share:
I learned in my first social science module that the Irish were the original "blacks" of America (if I'm not mistaken the Italians might have been too), and THEN that word was used to demean the Africans but ages later.
@@blaiseonthevid Are the irish any darker skinned that the english?
@@blaiseonthevid irish people WERE treated horribly in America originally, but these immigrants pulled themselves up by pushing other minorities down. Thats why you see a lot of republicans with stereotypical irish names. The irish were still treated badly after this point in Britain (ESPECIALLY during the troubles and the aftermath of that) but this didn't carry forward to the US. im not sure what the sentiment was towards irish people during typhoid Mary's case though.
The "irish people were slaves" myth needs to be shut down. Its not true, indentured servants could buy their freedom. They were seen as lesser than, but they were still treated like people. They werent put in zoos. Their children grew up free. Please don't push this false narrative
@Riptide & Tea this is false and toxic, please read my comment below. Well not entirely false, but its steering the conversation in a weird direction. Black people were definitely treated worse than irish people. We have had our share of oppression, but its a lot more nuanced
Mary was also illiterate and the job was all she knew. She needed people who would say, “Mary, here’s what’s going on. We don’t mean that you’re awful as a person...”
she lived out the rest of her days in a small cabin with a dog.
One health inspector had to sit on her to get her to be still during her initial capture.
She had no dignity. She was illiterate and uneducated, and should have had someone explain the problems on her level.
Unfortunately in those times, there was no time for patience. If u didn't understand what a doctor explained, it was "oh well, they are stupid and don't understand".. but nothing was done to help some actually understand.. it was just their loss sadly.🤷😭
Ram M. Ory there was wrong doing on her part- the not listening thing. However, I can understand why she’d think these people weren’t looking out for her best interests.
Complicated to sign an affidavit if you don’t really understand what it says, however.
It’d be like me trying to sign a contract written only in Ecclesiastical Greek.
Mary, in her lack of education, ability to really only do one job well, and inability to read makes this tough.
Then there was the attitude towards the Irish in the early 20th century. (Or anyone considered “other” to a great great great grandchild of puritans. IIRC, the Polish also got messed over.)
Mary was in between a rock and a hard place, and I kind of feel for her.
What would we do now?
“I know YOU feel ok, but sadly, your body hangs onto something that can hurt others.”
The lack of hygiene is concerning, but not surprising. Doctors didn’t start out doing it.
People weren't stupid back then. The evidence stacked against her was clear enough to be understood even by people in biblical times and in such a huge quantity as to be almost undeniable. If she had more empathy and humility she wouldn't have taken as many lives as she took.
I was excited to discover she was also from Northern Ireland. Then quickly remembered it's not our best claim to fame... 😳
Let's see... people killing each other? Check. Massive ship that sank? Check. Game of Thrones' last season? Check. What a wonderful society we have here lol
@@sophiekerr8964 And dont forget the british soldiers and the IRA.
@@award3007 yup. Not a lot of positive things in our history lol. Apart from the invention of the defibrillator and mining lamp I guess! Hopefully at least in my generation we can start to move past that generational trauma and make NI what it can be
I'm an essential worker. I had a customer come in yesterday to buy a pack of cigarettes. He was talking casually on the phone about how he is in recovery and immune so he can hang out with his friends again. He risked infecting me and my coworkers as well as my customers because he's immune now he can do whatever he wants now.
I wonder if he knows he can get it again? Like you cant be immune.
@@losersocool You can. Once your body has the virus and successfully fights it off you have immunity. Hence vaccinations.
@@theminimalmessers9781 That's true. However, Covid is a novel virus and it could possibly be like the flu which is mutating every year. So in the opinion of many scientists, you gotta treat this like everybody has it and you're not immune. I know, you in particular would never do this. But it's new while it could be like chicken pox it might be like the flu, so why risk it?
Latest data shows that people who contracted the virus can still be sheading it at least 2 weeks after symptoms subside. He very well could still be contagious. Eesh.
I never heard of Typhoid Mary but the modern-day/Coronavirus-aquivalent would probably be patient 31, who is the reason why South Korea had a very sudden spike in Corona cases after only having a few before. She is a member of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, which held a large gathering in Daegu where many where infected. Because the church links sickness with sin many were very uncooperative just like patient 31 who still went to this gathering even though a doctor told her she could have the Coronavirus (she went there because of a fever) and that she should get tested.
Person 31 and the church she belonged to are the reason South Korea was hit so badly and also the reason that especially Daegu suffered so severly. (It would be expected that Seoul would be hit the hardest, considering that it's the largest city).
This actually happened in Malaysia as well but the word is that he got it from the South Korean outbreak. There was a stay-at-home order given to Malaysians coming home then but he didn't listen because he was asymptomatic (no symptoms? no problem! 🙄) and went to a gathering at a mosque and infected like 89 other people, I think. Numbers doubled immediately after that. The gov only implemented lockdown measures like two or three weeks ago, and only this week did they declare that any Malaysian coming back will be immediately quarantined (because no one was taking self-isolation seriously and that caused 2 more 'clusters').
Its starting to happen here in Georgia (the country), there was a woman who tested positive but had no contact with anyone who had come in from Italy/China/US/Iran (those were most of the positives) and she had been in contact with 80 people within the 14 days before she showed symptoms and tested positive. Now the country is in a state of emergency and the area where that lady was from is locked down. Despite this ... the Georgian government has been super on top of things, cutting flights almost immediately after announcements of "outbreak countries" and had closed stuff down even before the lady's case was confirmed - less than 200 total cases, almost 40 recoveries and 3 deaths.
TL;DR: Its crazy to see how different countries implement measures but its crazier to see how people are absolutely NOT taking things seriously. STAY AT HOME.
This happened in France as well! There was a large religious gathering in the East which is why this region was (and still is) hit the most severely
As a child (6-10), my nickname was "typhoid delly" because i would be the first in my family to get the flu, and proceed to spread it to all family members.
And your parents never thought that giving you a flu shot every year would be a good idea?!
@@midorishiwa adding to Min Lee's point - we have to take the flu shot every year because there's always a new strain that develops and sometimes we get infected with the strains not covered in the newest vaccine
@@blaiseonthevid Sure but if you get infected with another strain it usually is milder. Also, it's very unlikely that this would happen EVERY YEAR for 5 years
I was "CHICKENPOX Mary" to my family. My Mum and sister had never caught it until it was going through my school when I was 10. They weren't exactly happy with me as I had volunteered to deliver homework to an ill classmate . Oh well !
I was known as 'Mary Bell' as a child. I appreciate that's a totally different link to the name Mary and seriously, I wasnt that bad!!
There's a young woman in South-Korea that knew she was a carrier for COVID-19 but her symptoms were very, very mild, still she was told to self isolate by doctors,...naturally.
She however though differently of the matter, and instead of self isolating as she was explicitly told by doctors, this young woman went shopping for clothes in crowded malls.
She went to restaurants several time's and to cinema's on several occasions aswell, fully aware she was endangering everybody she came in contact with young and especially old.
Nothing deterred her from doing what she did and they've traced 1000 COVID-19 infections of people straight to her as the source of their infection.
The South-Korean authorities are currently looking into prosecuting her for knowingly endangering people's life's.
In Singapore there is a case similar to this involving a Chinese couple from Wuhan whom have a connection to Singapore and residential permits there.
That couple is responsible for a large part of the COVID-19 outbreak in Singapore, they fled China at the start of the outbreak and purposely lied to Singaporean authorities that they "weren't" in Wuhan at the time of the outbreak.
They had direct contact in Wuhan with an infected family member and were told (it's alleged) by Chinese doctors to self isolate because of the very high likelihood they were in the asymptomatic stage of COVID-19.
This man amd woman choose to ignore that and instead fled to Singapore, possibly infecting everybody they came in contact with from the airport's, transportation (train, taxi airplanes, shuttle-buses) to everybody they walked passed in between all the way to their end destination Singapore, fully aware to what risk they exposed everybody they came in contact with.
Of course Singapore is currently looking to prosecute this couple for their selfish and reckless behaviour and the danger they knowingly exposed people to.
These are just two cases we know off, there are many more we are fully unaware of i'm sure.
Typhoid Mary was just an early known case of people behaving like they are the only ones that matter on the planet.
When my mother and all her colleagues were sent home after there was one positive case of Covid-19 in the same building she self quarantined for weeks to make sure she wouldn't infect anybody. Even now she is letting me run all the errands because she is over 60 and I don't want her to take a chance, but I'm always scared to bring this disease back home. :(
I clicked this video because I love the story of Typhoid Mary which I learned about while doing a rotation at a microbiology lab as a biology student. My one wish as the outcome of this pandemic is that governments finally enforce businesses to provide paid sick days to their workers and prohibit sick students from attending classes, so they can safely stay home and recover instead of going out to spread whatever disease they might have.
Yes. The part so few seem to get about the government taking the respincibility of enforcing quarintine - work from home - shut down etc - is then there would be no real way for the government to ignore the need for better healthcare nor would people be "forced" into going back to work by employers or finances. The government would have to have more than 1 lame stimulus check.
In the UK right now, parents can be fined for keeping their kids off school if they don't have a docs note, and the docs are so overrun it's a lottery to get an appointment in some areas. For COVID they've made the whole self-reporting thing okay for school absences but I can't help but wonder how many people get unnecessarily seriously ill from that policy outside of COVID. Being a responsible human being and keeping your kid home from school could be a serious financial hit for a lot of families.
I have lab confirmed COVID-19 and have been in isolation for about 3 weeks. My partner and daughter are quarantined too. I refuse to leave until I can be definitively told I cannot spread this awful illness. Thank you for this video. We will stay home as long as needed.
3 years sounds like an awesome amount of time
I hope you're doing well now
You should do a historical profile on Rosemary Kennedy
Ellie McKissick yes good idea nice name 😂😂
Yesss
She should do a history lesson on the Rothchilds❤️
@@laurastarbrook1308 Don't bother. I had the misfortune of actually working around a couple of the Rothschilds for a few weeks, about half a decade ago. I can't go into details, but I can tell you they were among the most miserable people I have ever, EVER met.
Having money did that family no favours whatsoever.
God, her's is such a tragic story 😭😭
I learned about Mary when I was in middle school science, but we I don't remember learning about her being forced into that hospital. The conditions I'm sure were terrible. That really is imprisonment without trial. And I'm sure they weren't kind to her from that very first "confrontation". What an awful experience. Especially if they never explained to her how such a thing as spreading a disease when you're "not sick" was possible. A concept that at the time probably seemed crazy and targeted. She had to work. She had to make a living being a single woman in a time and place where just having an Irish accent already put you at a disadvantage. I don't think she deserves disdain for stopping being a laundress. The pain to her hands from the heat and unregulated chemicals was likely severe and I doubt the wage was livable. If it could've been explained to her kindly, clearly, and sympathetically, she may have believed them and found a way to still cook and live a normal life. Those last few decades of her life I'm sure were awful. And even if they weren't, she didn't deserve to be forced into that situation.
The conditions weren't terrible. They were significantly better than the conditions of the average poor person in New York at the time. Mary had her own little house and all her material needs supplied, as did many of the people being quarantined there. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_and_South_Brother_Islands_(New_York_City). The lack of freedom was the issue. It was explained to her, many times by many people how she was affecting her employers, not to mention she could draw her own conclusions about how people were getting sick and dying wherever she went. She was offered a free gall bladder removal, and she would have been set free -- even now, it's an effective treatment for 70 percent of carriers. annals.org/aim/article-abstract/674408/chronic-typhoid-carrier-iii-therapy-antagonistic-bacillus-antibiotics-sulfonamides But so far as I know she never accepted any responsibility, in any of the letters she wrote or interviews she gave.
Mary was treated badly when she was initially approached, and I suppose it completely set her against what anyone would say afterwards. If she had been informed in a more kindly, modern way, maybe the story have been different. But she still had no marketable skills aside from cooking. She would have to be retrained, though as an uneducated woman in the 19th century, I don't know what that would be. If you're interested, Judith Leavitt's book is the best one so far. escholarship.umassmed.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=omha_book_reviews
She was made an example of for daring to question the medical authorities. I have known many in the medical field and doctors have egos that anyone who dares to question them deserves to be treated like a moron. I think they need a person like those in Roman times whispering in their ears "Remember thou art mortal."
One thing about Mary's second quarantine: She wasn't in a prison cell for 23 years. She lived in a small cabin, and they even let her have a dog. I don't mean to say she had a nice life (she never properly understood the concept of being an asymptomatic carrier of a disease, or "herd immunity," so she was deeply frustrated by her situation) but she wasn't shackled to a wall for the rest of her life.
Humans are social animals, though. Permanent forced confinement, even in a "nice" cage is still psychological torture
@@LycanLover612 yeah, but being in a cabin with a dog is a hell of a lot less shitty than being entirely alone in a dungeon or prison cell or whatever. and thats coming from someone who hasnt really been able to leave my house for the past 2-3 years. a companion animal and a visually appealing environment helps a lot with loneliness
Catherine Looby She had the choice to take precautions and didn’t. That type of thing can get people convicted of murder right now.
@@melanieketchum3754 it can,but i dont think it should. It also bears disclosing that im also firm in believing that people convicted of crimes deserve human rights, too, among that that solitary confinement should be illegal
Catherine Looby I completely agree that people (incarcerated or not) deserve human rights, BUT I also believe that if you knowingly infect someone and they die, you are responsible. Just like if you get behind the wheel drunk or drive recklessly and you kill someone, you’re responsible. All she had to do was not be a cook and take normal precautions, but chose not to. I don’t necessarily think the option they chose was the best, but I completely believe that she was 100% responsible for the deaths AFTER she was told that she was spreading the disease.
Edit: This was also quite a long time ago and I’m not familiar enough to offer up an alternative measure. It’s a very unfortunate story overall.
In Detroit, a bus driver died from COVID-19, because some rude, horrible passenger coughed on him. This is serious, y'all!
That person should be charged with murder.. if u can by telling someone gky.. then why not this?
Yes i heard about that. Apparently someone else on the bus got sick, infected their family and they died too.
If we can ( and SHOULD) be able to charge people with other dangerous communicable diseases infecting someone against their will or without disclosing their condition that person should be charged and jailed.
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Very timely profile, Jessica. It's amazing how the old saying holds true: Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Hopefully this video can help people to understand the significance of our actions - or inaction, in some people's cases 🤨 ... Please, anyone watching this video, share it with others. We can overcome this, but we must do it together. #SpreadTheMessageNotTheVirus
Thank you so much, Jessica! You are a welcomed light in times where shadows of despair loom. Your voice is one of reason, sensibility, and love. Take care!
Lovely as always 👍🤟💝
I think a shirt that says if you can read this you're too close would be an interesting reminder if done in the right font size
It seems as if my history teacher time traveled and told her life experiences to me
Jessica doesn't try to scare you. I was finally able to sit down and learn a thing or two instead of having numbers thrown at me like the news.
Social distancing clearly works and I am PISSED OFF at people who do not. I'm from Croatia and the situation is not critical here mostly because our government decided to learn from the example of Italy and close down...everything, really, quicly. There are still some jerks out here who go out. There are even people who are suspected carriers and STILL WENT OUT.
And meanwhile my mum and I desinfect stuff when we bring them home just in case because I live with grandparents, one of which has chronic bronhitis. We only leave house for four reasons-food, medicine, to take grandpa to have his blood checked as he takes abtitrombocitic therapy and to go tend to his garden which is about 2 minutes by car away from our apartment, secluded and actually great for social distancing.
Thank you for caring so well for your family.
Why do i pay for my education when i have to learn everything from Jessica🤷♀️
While I applaud self isolation and social distancing as a gig worker (UBER) I have zero income which in other circumstance would mean homeless,food less,medication less, sitting in my gas less car just waiting to die essentially. My circumstance saves me from this horrible situation and allows me to help another couple. While we do practice self isolation and social distancing others have little choice. Our govt.(USA) promises much and has yet to deliver. at least you have Nat. Health. Best to you and Claud.
I get that Mary was being selfish and killed a lot of people. But also, imagine having no idea that asymptomatic carriers are even a thing, and suddenly having detectives and police officers chasing after you, arresting you and ordering you to upend your entire livelihood. And then having medical tests forcibly performed, and eventually being told this is your life now, you will *never* not be a carrier.
Of course she had a responsibility, but also, she got dealt a reeeeeally shitty hand. And it must be incredibly difficult to grasp having to change everything about your life, forever, despite being physically and mentally able to do everything you could do before.
But we do know now, and we have people who are in denial that this even can be the case.
OMG how is it that I rewatched Drunk History's Episode on Typhoid Mary like 3 hours ago, and you post this 😂
RUclips is listening... Happens to me all the time. Never search pregnancy or anything like it.. joke about how happy I am I can't have anymore kids.. pop into RUclips n BAM.. pregnancy vids.. RUclips and Facebook listen for sure.. try it.. it's real. Talk around ur fone about a topic u would never search for.. that topic will either be in ads or recommended vids..🤯
I know I had that virus even though nobody can get tests so I self isolated for 14 days
thank you 💕 i know a lot of people from my school that go out everyday- one even had all of the symptoms and STILL went out... i don’t get some people 😒
❤ thank you, and hope you're feeling better.
Please still be careful. I had a friend whose brother had all the symptoms so he and his parents isolated for the time. When his symptoms worsened, he was able to get the test and it turns out it wasn't covid, more run of the mill stuff.
It's unfortunate that not everyone who shows symptoms is able to get tested.
You might have had the flu, but even so it is best to self isolate like you did. If you can't test you don't know. Also, the flu can still be serious for some.
For anyone who's saying that they thought they did and it came back negative, there has been hundreds of confirmed false negatives, so I wouldn't be so sure. We still don't know enough about COVID-19 to make very accurate tests.
@@briannamoffitt7610 that's interesting, I hadn't heard that yet. Mostly in situations like Luke 27 (not meaning to call you out Luke, this is more explaining what I have thought I might do in your situation), where you think you've had it, so you can't contract it again, at least for a bit, not too sure where the science lands on that. I think I would go mad with that knowledge and try to hug everyone and go shopping and whatever else like nothing happened. And then low and behold, I just had a flu/cold and then actually get covid19 and have been spreading it all the people I've been compulsively hugging.
I work in a supermarket and I'm so scared of becoming a carrier, or having it asymptomatically. The amount of people I come into contact with on a daily basis is terrifying
I have never heard of this case before, and have clearly missed out. Fascinating! Thank you for bringing us more historical content.Hope you're doing well Jessica 💛
she had no alternative source of income and with no treatment or way out offered. Also: how well do you think the men explained the circumstances to her, given that she was a woman and in service at that. Also: being chased, captured and basically imprisoned probably didn’t help her trust. I’m sorry, but it’s such a privilege to isolate. To be able to stay at home means that you have to have a home and a source of income.
Eeerm... Actually not... Jessica summarized the full story, Mary WAS treated but at the time they didn't knew much about antibiotics and typhoid fever correlation, so it was ineffective, she WAS explained how she was spreading the disease long before her trial by Sarah Josephine Baker, a doctor which she tried to attack too (she was the one who caught Mary when the police was searching her house), she was offered other jobs but she insisted in being a cook. Yes, she was heavily stigmatized by the media and suffered lots of prejudice for being a single irish woman but she refused to cooperate even after all that happened
Nany
She may have been ultimately in the wrong but even with those details.... Mary wasn’t just being stubborn and foolish, or digging in her heels for no reason. She had valid concerns which were brought on by systemic issues at the time, she want just saying fuck it and returning to work for no damn reason.
Again, she was Irish. Irish people at that time were treated with extreme prejudice, including by the police and government at the time. One of the most common things Irish people were called was “filthy disease carriers”, so as far as Mary knew, they made up that explanation to single her out. She was an undereducated poor woman who didn’t really understand any of the medical aspects of this (how well do you think the doctors explained that in language she would understand?). If you thought you were being framed and distrusted the government the way Mary did, of fucking course you wouldn’t believe them and wouldn’t cooperate. Irish people were being framed for crime all the damn time, as far as Mary knew she was also, and wasn’t about to lay down and let them take control of her that easily. Cooks were just about the highest paid jobs around for women at the time and even then the pay wasn’t that amazing by today’s standards, so she genuinely needed the money a cooking job would provide, of course she persisted.
Again, none of this excuses her actions but it does put them in context. She isn’t a hero or a villain, she just wasn’t convinced of any of this because it was commonplace to blame a poor immigrant for deaths and crimes at the time.
@@nany____ treatment at the time was death...no sanitation in hospitals, mercury up the anus, scolding baths, radon therapy...
This video is brilliant! I’ve heard of Typhoid Mary for years but never knew the story! Wow!
This was absolutely fascinating. I love these historical profiles.
Too right Jessica!
We need to learn from the villagers of Eyam in Derbyshire too, who quarantined during the Plague in the 1600s. Unfortunately the lessons of history are all too often forgotten or ignored. x
I always learnt it as her spreading it deliberately so this was really interesting.
Thank you for the wonderful content! Have you considered a piece on Richard III? Some research since the discovery of his remain seem to indicate that his severe scoliosis may have led to innovations in armor and saddles. And the polarized view of him as we finally get away from the Tudor-propaganda view of him is fascinating.
It's been hard being away from my nan, but we've been phoning her daily and checking up on her. I've got the virus now, not tested but I've had symptoms since Saturday, and my god it sucks. My breathing is shallow, my chest hurts and I have a fever (moving between 38°c and 40°c) and I'm too weak to get out of bed, my mum had to practically carry me to the bathroom. I'm not even high risk and have no health problems, so I can only imagine what it's like for those who do, stay home everyone, for their sake ❤
I hope you feel better soon. sending positive vibes your way .
These videos always make my day during self isolation!
I love the historical profiles so very much. I get so excited whenever you make a new one, thank you so much! You honestly comfort me so much and so does history so this is pretty much exactly what I need.
I have my "Extremely Clinically Vulnerable" letter and not allowed to leave the house even for exercise for 12 weeks. It’s not worded too well and it doesn’t explain when that 12 weeks starts from. Is it from the first letter we got off the NHS or is it the second one off the government? I also have a chest infection at the moment, I get them regularly as I don’t use my lower lungs due to nerve damage and this is just my regular bacterial type of bug. If did get it at the moment I’d be waving goodbye now instead of a couple of years time max. I’ve had a very interesting life in my 60 years and I’m not too worried about myself, but I have three amazing grandchildren and two beautiful daughters one of whom just got engaged to her girlfriend. I hate the thought of passing anything on to them. Or worse still using NHS resources where I could be denying someone with a whole life ahead of them such as yourself.
I have to say the NHS has been brilliant, along with my chemist, and actually phoned me yesterday to see if I needed anything. The guy on the phone sounded worn out as this was very late afternoon and I wondered how many people he had spoken to who are understandably terrified or struggling. Of course I said I’m ok, my amazing wife is looking after me and I realise am very lucky because I’m locked away with my best friend. I think there’s going to be a sharp increase in domestic violence through this, there’s also ECV people who work or their partner does and dependent on their income, then there’s those who live on their own. My friend is 73 had breast cancer and a poor heart, she lives in sheltered accommodation where she’s used to seeing a dozen people a day. Isolation is very tough for some people but please stick with it and if needed phone the police.
I really enjoyed how you relayed the story of the infamous Typhoid Mary.
I got my letter yesterday, but it was a medication based self assessment letter distributed by my local hospitals rheumatology department. I assume this was to stop infections as the Welsh NHS weren't distributing letters and my health board's text system is patchy at best.
Mark Harris it’s nice that you got acknowledged as vulnerable though. Even a poorly worded letter is better than none at all. I am in the vulnerable category having severe asthma and taking regular high dose steroids but it hasn’t been acknowledged despite my actual doctor telling me I should of been in the list. She has been great though by providing me with a personal text message and letter that I could provide to my workplace. But I still can’t get food deliveries and the pharmacy keeps telling me they have to prioritise others over me for deliveries and they keep insisting that I just send someone to collect my medication but the only other person who can do that for me is my mother who I live with and also cares for my 92 year old grandmother (who also isn’t on the vulnerable list) so she has to risk getting exposed to the virus and then potentially passing it onto both of us 😔.
@@Rin-ef2tp so does being on asthma steroids make you higher risk? I'm on inhaled steroids for asthma but I assumed the information about steroids increasing vulnerability was for people taking really strong steroids to ingest
Nala 305 I’m on high dose steroid tablets on a regular basis. Inhaled steroids are fine I think
Poor Mary, killing people and not knowing she really was to blame, without skills to do a different job.
Actually she did a number of jobs once she was informed about her disease.
She chose to go back to cooking. Fully informed that she spread this disease.
paanyovaanya she had no alternative source of income and with no treatment or way out offered. Also: how well do you think the men explained the circumstances to her, given that she was a woman and in service at that. Also: being chased, captured and basically imprisoned probably didn’t help her trust. I’m sorry, but it’s such a privilege to isolate. To be able to stay at home means that you have to have a home and a source of income. I think your comment shows quite a bit of ignorance.
princesscaraful not to mention the fact that she was irish, and back then irish people were heavily discriminated against and called “dirty” and “disease carrying” so she probably assumed it was more discrimination
princesscaraful It’s a privilege to stay at home but at the very least she could’ve avoided working in a hospital at least. I understand why even today, marginalized groups distrust the medical establishment but I aIso can’t completely forgive people for endangering the lives of others. I mean she would’ve at least known that those of a “weak constitution” would be specifically vulnerable to her if she really was dangerous. Plus all of her equally poor co workers who had no knowledge and no choice but to work with her because she didn’t inform them of who she was, she endangered the lives of the vulnerable.
I believe you would love this book- Get Well Soon: History's Greatest Plagues, and the Heroes Who Fought Them! There is a great chapter on Mary, as well as a chapter on the world-wide work to conquer polio.
I always love Jess's history videos!! So informative and actually very funny
As a New Yorker myself, I couldn't help but smile when she said "ma ma RO neck" because that's how every non- New Yorker pronounces it. It's "ma MARE on eck" Weird, I know.
You are an incredible individual Jessica. Thank you for spreading awareness in such a fun, and educational way. I hope one day to put as much positive energy and love into this unforgiving world as you do.
Much love to you and your wonderful family, and please let us know if we can help in any additional ways. ✨
On one hand, they did single her out for prosecution when there were many other sources for disease, and that's unfair. I don't think she should have been imprisoned, or isolated on an island for decades, but good lord they should have found a way to keep her from preparing food for people. It's such a specific way to put people at risk, just .... stop .... touching people's food.
Yeah.. seriously.. so many other working jobs in a house..
The only way they found to stop her from preparing food for people was to isolate her. She wouldn't stop working as a cook. People were dying, and she wouldn't give up cooking.
It was one of the few, reasonably higher status, skilled jobs she could get. Why, from her point of view, should she get a lower paid, harder, less respectable job just because some people she doesn't trust or know are telling her that she is 'infectious' and 'killing people' (when from her point of view she was perfectly healthy)? She was Irish and a immigrant and a woman, all things that had been associated with being 'dirty' due to prejudice. How was she supposed to know it wasn't just more prejudice? Nothing was properly explained to her.
I live in Florida in the U.S., I feel that the governor has made poor actions and too late for the state. My family has to work, we have essential jobs. I'm scared for my nephew, he's 10. He has holoprosencephaly, and is tube fed. The smallest cold can send him to the ER, and when he's sick, he gets put on the same floor as cancer patients. He is the one I worry about, because he is reliant on others for everything.
This is the first time I've learned about Typhoid Mary! I have learned a lot. Thank you for sharing her story with us, Jessica. ☺
This is why everyone who can stay home and isolate should. It’s not for the individual, it’s for all of us.
Chris Frank While I fully support distancing and isolating those at highest risk for severe illness as well as an astonishingly alarming need for people to be aware of germ theory, the spread of illness and how we should all wash our disgusting hands more often It is in no way beneficial to “all of us” to isolate to the point of economic collapse. Already the most vulnerable demographics are the elderly and poor, and economic depression makes those lives even harder. Everyone should be wearing masks. Everyone should be washing hands, or using sanitizer when entering and leaving any building. Public buildings should have automatic doors, and perhaps n the future touch screens and buttons will either be discarded in favor of another method of data entry ( I don’t know which) Or disinfection will be inbuilt into said systems. Handshakes should be taboo, in favor of a different form of greeting and multiple other social practices will change on their own now that we have in the age of antibiotics and vaccines encountered a virus that has brought humanity to a screeching halt.
@@codename495They said 'those who CAN should stay home' the economy is already shit, this is just going to level it out. People are still going to work if they have to, it's fine if you have no choice.
So this teaches us in the modern world is ALL nations need universal healthcare and PAID sick days.
Yes!
I don’t know what it is about her. It could be her voice, vocabulary, her aura, or her beauty. But something about her just seems so fantastical and just brings me such joy
I never heard of thyphoid Mary until 2 weeks ago when Stephanie harlowe posted about her. It was very good and in depth, as all of her videos are. Now Jessica makes a video and I actually have a clue 😌 i really recommended Stephanies video if you enjoyed this one.
I did a little summary Facebook post about Typhoid Mary straight after watching this video. Lots of underlying health conditions in my family. If this doesn’t get it through to people I think only them catching it will sadly 🙄
Thank you for your video. You spread a needed message, but you have done it in such a way as to make it entertaining and informative. You are spreading a truth that we need to hear, but are doing it in a way that people listen. It is a very clever skill. Thank you.
I won't lie, I can't be anything but sympathetic to Mary Mallon. They refused to treat her so that she might live a fulfilling, worthwhile life (which is entirely impossible under isolation), and she was effectively psychologically tortured repeatedly throughout her life. A person can't live like that, certainly not as long as she did. And as important as public health is, I can't thing psychological torture is ever, ever okay, and I do believe this poor woman deserved better than she got. She wasn't treated for typhoid like other asymptomatic carriers were, and she was treated like a criminal, just for existing, which is.... frankly, evil, classist, misogynist, etc.
@Kaitlin Oetting I'm not saying Mary didnt do bad things either. I just think that no matter how dreadful the person, we've no right to treat them so horribly and permanently deprive them of a worthwhile life
She died in 1938. Antibiotics weren't widely used until after 1945. They didn't have a way to cure her.
They didn't have a way to cure her. That's why they kept on doing the medical exam to see if she had typhoid every day (a costly procedure) to see if she still had it, if some medicine took effect, or it went away. Antibiotics are the ONLY effective treatment for typhoid and scientists were still experimenting with mold at best if not even heard of the possibility of penicillin when Mary lived. Antibiotics only became an actual thing AFTER her death.
So what the hell do you do when you have an asymptomatic carrier you CAN'T cure, the disease hasn't gone away on its own in two bloody years and so is unlikely to ever go away on its own, AND the woman in question keeps on doing the very job that is tailor-made to spread said deadly disease the second your back is turned even AFTER you told her not to and WHY and keeps on changing employers every time she's infected her workplace?
No, really, what other realistic options are there? Because the only other option is to leave her as is and let her keep on killing people left and right in her lethal willful obliviousness/denial.
And, well, from where I'm standing, you're right to flap your arms about ends right where someone else's nose begins. Her right to do whatever the hell she wants with her life and do the job she wants ends when she puts other people in mortal danger and even kills them.
I love these historical videos. So educational! And delivered with a great personality ❤️
While I am socially distancing and keeping good hygiene to the best of my abilities, I am a key worker who has to go into work, I wash my hands regularly while I am at work but still live with the fear that I am going to contract COVID-19 while at work, not show any symptoms and keep going into work and potentially spreading to many people. The thought of it is becoming tough for me mentally :/
Actually, I clicked on this video because your face, historical rigor, and accent brighten my day.
Thank you for this.
I just shared it in my town's community FB group. Perhaps it will help convince people that are healthy & entirely unworried about sars-cov-2 that social distancing is still needed.
I love your work. I'm also a diligent student of history. "Typhoid" Mary was as complicated a study as any other human. Her case is important, of course, but greatly blown out of proportion.
I never knew that she was a real person!! This was fascinating
I was reminded of people knowingly having AIDs - not telling their sexual partner - and having unprotected sex = being prosecuted by law for willful endangerment of others
Thank you! I cannot believe I did not see this sooner as I have been saying Typhoid Mary all along! So many people just do not understand the concept of the "asymptomatic carrier" and that just boggles the mind! Be safe!
I think it's definitely important to remember that Irish immigrants were treated really terribly. She was probably scared, and felt she was being persecuted. I also think the government is taking certain things too far. We have a county wide curfew which is like ????? The virus doesn't get stronger at night ???? The fine for being out during the curfew is outrageous and you can get 6months jailtime.
I think it's mostly to discourage parties which usually happen well into the night, as well as to just limit the amount of time people can be out at all.
All the permitted reasons for going outside, except for exercise, arent possible at night. So means increased likely that they are breaking self-isolation rules
My roommates mother was hospitalized with pneumonia a few weeks ago (never tested for COVID19), and she and her husband STILL wanted us over to cook/clean for them... even after I bought them groceries to be delivered, they still didn’t stop.🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Thank goodness we have antibiotics, now. I know her whole story, but I still watched the video.
I’ve been feeling mildly unwell for a few days and have myself confined to my bedroom and one of the two bathrooms in my apartment (my boyfriend brings me food and water). I’ve been trying to convince my three roommates that because I’m feeling mildly unwell NONE OF US can go to work (we all work in the food service industry). But because my room mates are all dumb 20 something year old boys, they think that because all I have is a bad headache and stomach pains it’s no big deal. So they keep going out. I’m at a loss of what to do at this point, I can’t convince them that it’s vital they stay inside. I may not be a carrier, we could all be healthy, but JUST IN CASE! I’d really rather we all stay in and don’t run the risk of anyone getting ill. (Side note: even though what I’m experiencing is so mild and not even as bad as a cold, I’m still keeping an eye on myself and will seek medical attention if I need it)
Thank you for this video and your sensitivity to the person behind the name. It truly is a cautionary tail, both in terms of illustrating how asymptomatic spread happens, and in how the response of public health officials is important. If Mary had been better able to understand her situation she may have been more willing to cooperate. But she was treated harshly, forced to endure tests, and all in a process that likely reminded her of how Irish immigrants were often seen as somehow dirty. The racism of the time would may have factored into how she perceived her situation, and why she dismissed what seems like obvious correlation and clear causation now. Further, even if Mary never came to believe she could be carrying the disease, she may have kept her promise not to return to cooking (just to avoid further imprisonment), if only she could have retained work at a similar level of pay and status. Instead, through no fault of her own, she was deprived of a living at which she must have excelled, to have such vaunted employers, that paid far less and appears to have caused her discomfort and distress.
She may not have understood the situation clearly, but the public health officials didn't either -- they could have incentivized her to remain out of the kitchen, should have understood that they couldn't expect her to just sit between the hard place of poverty and the rock of imprisonment and not want to do something. It didn't cost nothing to keep her imprisoned. The whole point of taxation and the public purse is that the public pays for what it collectively wants and needs -- but that's an extensive conversation for another time.
23 years of quarantine... I feel sorry for her. Thank you for this video, Jessica!
WOW... excellent history lesson! Thank you so much for making this video, that does make sense, being we do have people who don't show symptoms with this new virus. I love how you look back and can apply things to today's issues, you're marvelous! 👍😁✨ Stay safe and well, and I hope over here in the U.S. that we won't make the mistake of letting down our guard too soon! MUCH LOVE YOU, Claudia, and your dear sweet dogs as well! 💖💪🥰🐕🐕
But you berate us so beautifully! Seriously, thank you for making well researched and balanced videos that are informative, insightful and interesting - Stay Safe!
"I promise to berate you less in the next one!" 🤣🤣🤣
As an American Libertarian, my principal lies wherein you should be able to do whatever you want in your life, so long as you aren’t hurting other people. It’s that simple. If you are stealing from someone, for example; their health, their belongings, their life, that is not freedom and that is not right.
i was watching your old videos and you posted and honestly feeling like a bit of a psychic right now
my mom, her boyfriend, and i are immuno compromised. my brother is the one walking the cat (yes, odd) because mom, alan, and i don’t really want to die
Revan Harper ummm, no, i have ehlers danlose syndrome and my immune system is severely mutated due to getting sick before i was able to get vaccines. and with the way covid 19 is spread (liquid discharge from the lungs) and with how people are staying about 8- 12+ feet apart, he wouldn’t get it from getting coughed on.
@@aloysiuspennday3353 well then y'all should be fine too.. ur allowed to go for walks.. just cuz they want u home, doesn't mean u can't go outside.. not unless u think y'all got people looking for ways to kill you🤷 . Social distancing is about non grouping. It's ok to go outside, sit on ur lawn.. go for a walk up n down the block.. unless literally being outside can literally kill you.. then don't. If this quarantine nonsense hasn't changed ur daily living, then don't. Stay safe, stay healthy, and continue to enjoy ur awesome cat that likes a leash👍🖤
MiSti i do understand that, the point of (most of) my family unit not going outside is the fact that there are lost of young kids in our neighborhood. they are suddenly home and they generally have more energy, so they are outside more now (on top of that it’s a warm spring). we are taking into consideration that there is not much driving, so kids are all over and they may not understand the situation. i do know i can go out, but i’m sticking to the backyard for extra safety (i also wear a binder so i need to think of that). anyway, thank you for not responding rudely, and for sticking through this little rant.
@@aloysiuspennday3353 lol🖤 it's all about understanding.. n I was so lost.. but I 💯 get what u mean.. kids aren't as aware as we want them to be.. so safety 1st.. I get it lol. Stay safe and enjoy ur backyard 🖤 happy to know u have somewhere outside to chill and be safe🖤
MiSti yeah, i’m more so frustrated at that first comment by the other person. it was definitely mocking and they acted like i’m faking. i can’t, as i have hereditary things and moms bf just finished his chemo. so the first rant was a bit frustrating, but thank you.
Please stay safe, stay HOME, and stay informed, but not anxious. ❤️❤️
Another history suggestion about the spreading of disease! The Comanche Native American Nation also had an understanding of how disease spreads and the need for isolating the sick as early as the 1830's. The Comanche controlled the spreading of small pox in their nation with several different tactics that we now refer to as quarantining or social distancing. Pekka Hämäläinen writes in the William and Mary Quarterly that "Comanche chiefs carefully inspected visitors for signs of disease before admitting them and banned the ones
whose words or form failed to convince." He also writes that if a person was found to be sick that person would separate themselves from larger groups. In addition, they would refrain from trading in larger urban centers, having a few traders come to where ever they were to avoid contact with large groups. Part of this evidence shows how Native people's understandings of medicine and health is often overlooked. Moreover, it is a place and time in history where you cannot say that "disease killed the Indians" which takes blame away from the colonizer and assumes that Native Americans were somehow biologically weaker.
I've been waiting for this!
Her story is actually quite a sad one, great time to share this too, great job Jessica
Lowkey watching your videos because you remind me of my history professor 😭 I miss university
This isn’t just about the individual. Focusing just on Mary her self distracts From the fact that if she didn’t work, she had no way to even eat every day. Like You quoted: if you don’t work, you don’t get paid. We can’t properly defend against disease until we remove the choice between survival for ourselves and survival for those around us.
My aunt is a nurse who runs an elder care facility IN HER HOME and yet she just won’t quit on trying to get my mom and I to come over for easter; less than a week away! Where we live we’re under stay at home order until May, regardless. And I’m being treated as if I’m ~paranoid. It’s not that I’m worried about catching anything; I’m more worried I’LL bring something over to her home where, again, a bunch of people over 75 with pre-existing conditions live.
What your aunt is trying to do is pretty much criminal...
Cooks and customer service workers working sick is still common.
I had broncitus and couldn't talk but still couldn't get off work from Wendys or Kmart which I was working both at the time as a cashier.
Your videos are always educational and fun!! Thanks for sharing!!
I spent much of primary school afraid of following in Mary's footsteps. It's probably one of the things that pushed me through my ... ickyness about soap. I still really hate the textures and smells of soap, but I understand it's importance and it mostly just means that I have 20 s of handwashing... then 20 s making sure all of the soap is gone...
I’m so sad I hadn’t found you prior but I’m so glad to have found you recently 😊 I too feel better knowing our world has continued after going through so much over the many, many, many years humans have been around
Love you!
I love your historical profiles. I learn so much. I’ve heard of Typhoid Mary but I never knew her story or why she went down in history.
A timely history lesson. Thank you Jessica, really interesting and informative. Well presented as always. Stay safe and well. 😎
I really appreciate your attention to nuance in exploring Mary's perspective, presenting the importance of physical distancing alongside the pressures felt by gig and hourly workers with no social safety net, and urging compassion and respect for anyone who is ill or an asymptomatic carrier while we take steps to protect vulnerable members of our community.
Brilliant. Thank you. I’ve shared this on my Facebook page. Hopefully it will make some of the idiots still going out on jaunts think. ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Me too! Fingers crossed it works.
You are always a light in the darkness! God bless you and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
While your channel is LOVELY all around (I’m a new subscriber after the Anthony interview). Your history videos are my favorite. You’re a queen 👑
This reminds me of of patient 31 here in Korea (I live not too far from from the epicenter of Daegu)
This is an absolutely excellent video, Jessica. I really hope it wakes people up. Thank you. 😊❤️
In my local town, people aren’t isolating after testing positive and now there’s a big outbreak at our local hospital, all because they refuse to isolate after their cruise. It’s killing people, and is going to kill more. Social distancing is so important, as this case proves.
It was really lovely to see this story done with compassion and tackling how prejudice and lack of education played a heavy role in her treatment but also how economic circumstances can make situations - like how Mary kept working as a cook because it paid better and I honestly believe she didn't understand she was spreading an illness.
Another fantastic video! Thank you!!
Hi Jessica. Happy Stay-At-Home to u & Claudia. May your cup runneth over w/ spoons. Take care of u!
Yay love this. I'm hoing to be sharing this video (and others) on my FB for any idiots that may be on my friends list and not staying home 😉👍
Love the confetti at the end 🧡
Typhoid Mary was a classic example of "if you're not experiencing it first-hand, you don't care in a meaningful way".
Because she was asymptomatic and healthy she entered this sort of denial. I think a lot of able bodied people do this in regards to interest in the wellbeing of others & their own wellbeing, too. In any case it's an interesting lesson from history on human behaviour...
Dayum... this was informative. And yay within the 1st 1000!
Me: wakes up
Jessica: exists in my RUclips feed
Me: yeah virtual learning can wait