Why I Quit Playing Warzone Regularly
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- Over the past several months, I've had many people ask why I haven't been making much Warzone content so today I wanted to share why I no longer play Warzone on a regular basis. This isn't meant to be a complaint video, simply a video sharing my perspective to provide some insight as to why there hasn't been much Warzone coverage from me. What are your thoughts on the current state of Warzone?
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0:00 Intro & Disclaimers
1:49 Progression
5:49 Complexity
9:13 Cheating
10:39 Solo Experience
11:44 BR Burnout
13:03 Matchmaking
14:52 Wrap Up 
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I honestly just stopped having fun with warzone as whole. My friends and I would see ourselves getting way too frustrated with it and in my eyes when a game starts to feel like a chore instead of an actual fun passtime/hobby I think it's time to move on to something else.
The overpowered loadouts and the fast ttk killed it for me
Totally agree man. I refuse to play rage-enducing games anymore. I just wanna chill and have fun; and I couldn't with WZ
The battleroyal shooter is trash no sense 🙄 sbmm is more trash
@@nikeairjordanfly I agree with the OP loadouts. Wish the meta's were more balanced. But I enjoyed the game more before they kept adding more health, that's unnecessary, it just makes it harder to counter hand holding. The less health people have the easier it is to counter squads, because you can kill, get out, and hopefully repeat the process if your good enough until their all dead.
@@DeniB0X Facts. I hope Overwatch 2 curb stomps MW2022. They will still have their dumb ass SBMM super high, and mabye they can copy their formula and remove it so people can have more fun and not snort four cups of G-fuel to keep up. Splitgait is relaxing because it doesn't have any of these issues. Although I still get my ass handed to me and I'm always fine with that.
My main gripe is that you have so many guns yet you can't use them because they have 2 meta guns that require no skill, meaning you would lose any gunfight with any other gun. It's just not fun to try and have fun and play differently. The game started as a sandbox and has turned into an endless cycle of sweat.
nail on the head. you are spot on dude.
don't forget the 7 years it takes nowadays to level up a gun (without 2x XP) to the point where they are even baseline viable. So when the meta changes from 2 guns to 2 different guns you haven used yet; Tough shiit.
For about a year now I only played Warzone casually, I wasn't my main game and I don't have a single vanguard weapon max level, I'm just using what I already have.
I'm surprised of how well weapons like the m13, ram-7, mp5 or the bullfrog perform, I just like the modern weapons. But yeah, sometimes I get lobbies with very accurate players with their vanguard guns and it's impossible to win. Even after hitting consistent headshots, doesn't always happen but it gets annoying.
The game itself is hit a or miss for me, I'm thinking about buying cold war (I'm on console)
@@ronaldbenz_ Cold War is really fun. If youre a casual player there is a lot of content in that game over both Vanguard and MW2019
@@yourstillwithme pretty sure mw2019 has waaay more content than Cold War
“In game skill isn’t nearly as relevant as just understanding what the best attachment and gun combination is” spitting facts! 160+ guns is WILD! I haven’t played consistently in a while either for those very reasons
I know right? And I'm even the kind of person who enjoys some meta-game, but Warzone is just too damn much
@@Briggsian for casuals and bots like u guys it’s not the game
@@sjsmmsms9245 I find myself wondering if grinding through 70 odd levels for attachments that mostly won't get used is a rewarding experience? Surely it would be a better experience if progression was tied to cool looking cosmetics rather than essential gameplay features. People already enjoy camo grinding, why not have more of that and less grinding for attachments for a gun just so you can start playing with it effectively?
@@Briggsian you should ask them not me
just completely ignore all the vanguard guns unless you picking them up in game that solved the problem for me with the dozen+ attachment bs
My biggest reason is I'm just a multi guy. I'll play BR once in a while with friends but it's just not as fun for me personally
Same here. I only play Fortune's and Rebirth on the weekends. Otherwise I play MW19 mp to prepare for MW2 and if it's too sweaty, I just chill out by playing Fall Guys and Immortals Fenyx Rising.
Same. I just use rebirth and plunder as a break from grinding MP
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I just play payload caldera clash and plunder
That progression point is actually a big crutch in gaming right now. Nobody remembers that people used to like playing a game and getting stuff for playing good or a lot instead of having to give up my wallet
If you need a weapon unlocked just go grab it in dmz
COD hasn't been the same since they changed the Prestige System. I never made it to master prestige but I always tried and it was a fun grind for me. It gave me a reason to just randomly hop on whenever I was bored. I always wished COD took some elements from Destiny like adding playlist exclusive weapon/armor skins you can earn for running Domination or TDM. I just want a better reason to grind and something to show for that grind that CAN'T be bought.
I am in the opposite camp that has abandoned regular multiplayer in favor of warzone but I actually agree with almost all of your points. As the epitome of an average player who can only play 2-3x per week it's tedious to have to keep up with the meta and grind out levelling up a gun to get the meta attachments only for the weapon balance to change it a few days later. More often than not I get all of the grind and none of the payoff. Obviously if I were a better player or played more often this would not be so much of an issue...but that is the very definition of a casual player. Lots of other games I can pick up and play with a higher fun/grind ratio
As someone who plays a lot, I (respectfully) think you’re wrong that you’d feel a sense of skill & accomplishment if you had time to grind. As you improve, matching becomes brutal & you will continue to be equally matched unless you have the time & talent to be a true 0.1% player
Same. Left multi to play rebirth. Was a breath of fresh air tbh. Learned the old map pretty fast, But now they brought In a brand new map and I have to learn again. I just don’t want to take the time to learn the new map. Burnt out of cod tbh, prolly just gonna play some good single player games till the new cod comes out.
the balance changes aren’t even balance changes lmao they just shifting the meta and making whatever guns were broken completely unusable. take the cold war DMR for example. it takes 8 hits to kill people. you heard me. 8. eight. e i g h t. that’s the equivalent of a full magazine of the 1911. that’s how many shots the mac10 takes to kill in cold war’s MP at max range. it is laughable how this failing franchise thinks that warzone is this incredible universally praised experience which in total isn’t even that good.
@@benji9871 as someone who been playing since mw2, I don’t think you’re wrong, I know your wrong, let’s say someone with a below average skill lvl gets into a gunfight with a person of the same skill lvl, now me as an above average/good player spectating them, it’ll look like two children fighting, but in his perspective he just had one of the most difficult gunfights, now let’s say he gets better, he is now an above average player, he finds another opponent who is as equally skilled as he is, now do you think that those two gunfights felt different to him in terms of difficulty, I’ll tell you this now, they wouldn’t, it all comes down to your skill lvl, if your always vs’ing people at your skill lvl how would the difficulty change, you start to play better, have better recoil control, but then have the same score as when you were worse, theirs no sense of achievement from becoming better as you’re just going to find people who are the same as you, now in older cods, sbmm didn’t exist or at least not to this extent, when you became good, you could start to pub stomp, now here comes the magic, because sbmm didn’t exist, games would always be random, sometimes you join an easy lobby, where you rack up kills and dominate everyone, some games you’ll find it’s a lot more equal, and the win is more satisfying( especially in the post lobby after you win, so much fun), and then there were some games were you got absolutely shat on by another team or player who is miles ahead of you in terms of skill, I haven’t properly played cod in 2 years, why?, because as someone who spent 13 years playing cod, grinding camos, getting better, dominating because of my effort I put into the game, now I’m punished for my efforts as all the progress I’ve made is invalidated by sbmm as im put into lobbies with equally skilled players, I don’t play cod to sweat my nuts off each and every single game, I play to have fun, to use all the weapons, to use wacky builds, I also like to occasionally have a difficult match once in a while as to give me the satisfaction of winning a game with a team who could fight back, but with the way things are now, there’s little chance I’ll be returning, I may buy mw2 purely for nostalgia, but other then that, until they either fix or remove sbmm, the franchise can rot for all I care
@@primemachine146 yeah man I feel you. I truly believe a large portion of MWII/WZ2 success or failure rests on Demonware reworking the SBMM algorithm & getting that sense of skill & accomplishment back. As much as I like the idea / platform of WZ, there is absolutely no way I’ll grind WZ2 the same if the same SBMM mechanics are back. It’s exhausting & frankly not worth my time or frustration at this stage in my life.
Agreed on all points. I’d like to add that grinding to level a weapon up takes too long. Then it gets nerfed as soon as you max it out. That’s just a general cod gripe but it affects the Warzone experience. People don’t have assistants leveling up guns for them like the big streamers do which allows them to hop into the action whenever they please.
And they never nerfed the monolithic suppressor which is the most op attachment in the entire game. They instead buffed it.
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The monolithic suppressor has escencially no downsides and I always hated that.
Can we appreciate for a moment that when Ace has a problem with something, he gives a well organized list of criticism, instead of just saying:
“Game sucks lol”
Yeah but everything he mentioned sucks in multi players too, lobbies are sweat fests, nothing to level up (rank goes to 0 after season) nobody is having fun levelling weapons up with redundant attachments, Warzone & MP are both in horrible states
I mean, Warzone does suck. But it’s always better if you can say why it sucks/offer constructive criticism
@@JustClickApprove92 SBMM, no progression, its the same for Warzone and mulitplayer
It does suck. Even if you say it in a pretty way, or an exaggerated way like Blametruth, Cod does suck. Just listen to all these complaints from Warzone (and warzone is the main priority for activision). COD regular multiplayer games are even worse.
You gotta hustle for that 10 minute video for youtube money!!!!
The constant grind to stay with the meta and the insane SSMM that made it impossible for me to play with my less skilled friends really killed it.
Sad thing is they do this on purpose, always planting the meta in the battle pass at level 15
This video hits home because I like to believe I’m right in that skill set where I’m a “decent” player, but I constantly get matched up with the demon guys who only use the most meta guns. When I first played Fortunes Keep I only died to the NZ-41 and the Blixen or Marco, nothing else. It’s a little exhausting when I just wanna jump on for an hour a day and unwind a bit
True…
Imagine if 2-3 Million active players and the sbmm lets you play against the top 10%
I felt like Ace spoke for me in this video, somehow it felt great knowing that an important voice represents me towards improving and making new CoD games :)
The reason I don’t play or like warzone…. IT KILLED MULTIPLAYER!!
Amazing points Ace. I agree with you 100% on the Burn out. It's the primary reason I haven't played WZ in a while now. I miss the classic multiplayer experiences COD had. I'm afraid that now with the money WZ produces, all future COD's will be built with WZ in mind first. BR's are nice, but there is currently no balance in the Industry.
Don’t worry, WZ isn’t a BR. It’s a glorified last team standing match. BRs require improvisation, resource management, and adaptability. Loadouts makes sure none of those exist. You just run your loadout and you don’t have to adapt, don’t have to follow any strategy other than the one your loadout offers, and there are no resource decisions to be made because your kit is already decided. It’s not a BR. It’s designed to look like a BR, but it’s not a BR anymore than S&D is just a really really small BR.
@@Parker-- you’re points are very valid however it’s the f2p nature of WZ with micro transactions that have begun killing 6v6. They’re seeing dollar signs instead of what made everyone love call of duty
To me winning a game of Warzone and playing for high kills is much more rewarding than winning a game of MP or even having the most kills. Idc about grinding for camos or anything else. I have a lot more fun with friends in warzone and that collaborative effort is way more rewarding imo
Figuring out how to get a really high killstreak on each map is more rewarding
Loved your point about solos. That's pretty much all I play, and it's typically sweaty af. If I don't keep up with the meta, I get wasted but when I do I'm put with monster players. I'm glad they nerfed the aggro snipers, but getting sniped in solos is still incredibly frustrating. I'd love to see them re-design solos....it should be a significantly different experience because solo players have to play differently than squads.
I agree with EVERYTHING you said.... those were all reasons for my original exodus. Now I can't get back into it, the fact that Cold War and Vanguard both had FOV sliders for console, spoiled me for the 120°FOV. Now, when I try to go play WZ, I feel like a turtle wearing horse blinders. I feel too sluggish, and like I can't see anything. If WZ2 doesn't have 120FOV, I won't play that either.
lol try 120 fps now, your eyes will bleed going back to 60 fps
I've said since MW2019 that I think the grinding in the last few CoD games is beyond reasonable and I think we need to have a system like OG Black Ops. You earn in-game currency by playing the game and you spend this currency to unlock guns and attachments. The meta shifts often enough that a regular player will want to unlock a lot of guns and it removes the massive tedium plaguing the game.
Constant meta shifts with an increase in time required to unlock weapons and attachments seems intentional to me. Just another way to keep people locked into your game. More time in game means more likely to buy microtransactions.
So you wanna go back to lootboxes
@@NINJA_INVESTORS Uh, no. Not sure where you're getting that from since nothing I said even remotely resembles loot boxes. That's not how BO1 worked. Like, at all. You just play and earn currency, kinda like how you play and gain XP. The currency could NOT be purchased with real money.
Then you "purchased" a gun or attachment using that in-game currency. No randomness involved. A gun might be worth 1000 units of currency. If you have 1000, you just unlock it regardless of where it is in the list. An attachment might cost 200 units of currency. So you can "buy" it whenever you want as long as you have the gun already, and it doesn't matter if the attachment is first in the list or last.
It removes all the grinding involved with ranking up to unlock a gun, then having to rank up the gun itself. Camos would still be earned by completing challenges.
My proposal would be to keep CoD points to purchase cosmetics, then have a separate currency, you can call it whatever you want like (ex: CoD Bucks) that would be used to unlock guns and attachments. CoD Points would be premium and purchasable with real money, and could only be used on cosmetics like operators, blueprints, calling cards, etc but NOT used to unlock guns, perks, attachments, equipment, etc. Bucks can only be accrued through gameplay, and can unlock guns, attachments, perks, equipment, etc as well as cosmetics, though it would take a lot of Bucks to unlock cosmetics. This is exactly how League of Legends does it. Riot is much better at live service than CoD devs.
@@vewyscawymonsta Yes it's 100% intentional, which is why it gets worse with every game. However, I think they've finally overstepped the line and will have to dial it back since I think the constant grinding has been a big factor in the drip in Warzone popularity.
This is why plunder is such an underrated game mode. You get that respawn multiplayer feeling but you also get the BR feeling of only having a handful of team mates against everyone else. It has much more relaxed match making and you're free to mess around if you want to with off meta weapons or just exploring the map or you can go be sweaty at the hot drop locations.
But yeah everyone hates on plunder🙄
I just want some plunder teammates that actually want to get money and win.
You hit the nail on the head IMO, particularly with the balancing and Matchmaking points. No point playing what feels like CDL matches to grind weapons that simply can't compete with the meta slaves. Especially since I'm only slightly above average, but the game thinks I'm a gfuel snorting CoD addict.
Are your multiplayer lobbies not sweat fests too? I find SBMM is as rough if not worse in multiplayer than warzone
@@tomsco7I haven't played either in ages, because they were too sweaty for me. I'd assume that has changed
@@DekuSkrub2129 Have an hour on MW19, Coldwar or Vangard MP, within 3 games, if you do well KD wise, youll be put into super sweat lobbies where it feels like your playing tournaments. no fun. same with warzone
@@tomsco7 yup, exactly why I stopped playing. I'm not interested in meta slaving, so I can't keep up
@@DekuSkrub2129 The point i was trying to get at was everything XA doesnt like about Warzone, MP has the same issues, its not a Warzone problem its a over all Call of Duty problem, we need the COD content creators to call out multiplayer issues as well as warzone.
As someone who didn’t play the first full year of Verdansk… Caldera’s main map is awful because of the constant uphill rotations caused by a dam volcano in the middle of the map.
Fortune’s keep is amazing and all I play on currently
That’s why I don’t play as much anymore. Wins don’t even feel as satisfying on Caldera
@@mkdisciple yeah it just favors high ground head peaking. at least you used to be able to snipe back up at head glitches but you can’t even do that anymore
Been feeling this way for a while now. Everything you talked about has been in my mind while playing the game. 1000% need more rewards when winning a match. I got over 300 wins on rebirth and it’s like what am I even doing anymore like I get nothing cool for winning a decent amount.
Doesn’t help if you lose 90% of the games just to win a couple
Absolutely agree with most of your points but definitely keep trying solos resurgence in the new map every now and then. It's honestly a great solos experience in my opinion and SBMM in Resurgence has really not been as bad as Verdansk/Caldera. Also, playing with friends as well is definitely half the reason I'm still playing WZ so I do get that you quit, but I'd say the Resurgence experience is in the best place it's ever been and dev support has been getting better and better.
You just called out all of my issues with Warzone in this video. I am not a youtuber and I don't spend that much time playing comparatively and for you to say these things and this is presumably your full time job says a lot. Especially because of the way that you break down and test weapons etc for it being too complex to keep up with. Every time I try to keep up and level a gun up in one of the three games it gets nerfed. I love your channel and always rely on your weapon testing videos for an accurate and visual explanation of attachments and inherent weapon characteristics to better build my guns out in the last 3 titles that I have played. Keep up the good work and I really appreciate your content and contribution to making this game better.
The outdated graphics and lack of fov slider is why I rarely play warzone despite how fun it can be, Usually only play the special events. The majority of my vanguard mp playing is just grinding guns in shipment...
I honestly hate warzone with a passion
I cringe when I think about how seriously people take it, just constantly chasing metas so they can finally get their 20 kill game
but it's a goal...and goals keep people in it.
@@UnknownUser_0000 and then what happens after that 20 kill game? Do you walk around with a badge that says “I got a 20 kill game in warzone”? Cos I promise you no one cares
@@Happyhenzo You're thinking about it the wrong way..goals are for YOU..I dont fucking care what anyone else thinks or what keeps them in the game. 🤷♂️
When it comes to cod as a whole, I want the classic prestige system back. No disbanding lobies. And the prestige system doesn't need to be tied to the battle pass. Just let the battle pass be time played.
I agree with the whole attachments thing and lack of things to work towards. I spent a good chunk of money on both base MW19 and Warzone back in 2019/2020 and it seems like just taking a small break put me at such a disadvantage. There's a meta I wasn't aware of, or there was this new broken thing available, or whatever. I'm level 2 now lol due to inactivity.
I still enjoy playing Warzone, but I'm a very casual player when it comes to CoD in general these days and yet I feel like every lobby is full of sweats who grind the game all day every day and I just can't compete with their movement or their map knowledge or whatever and it makes it a mostly frustrating experience when I'm just trying to play with friends and have some casual fun running around and doing what we do... So while I still enjoy the game, generally speaking, I'm not having much fun with it lately.
I burnt out when the MW weapons were largely outclassed by BOCW and Vanguard. All that time spent levelling MW weapons vanished.
Not to mention BOCW and VG weapons are ugly as f@ck and sound like farts!
Hey ace I know that you already covered this right at launch but now that there is a round base zombies map could you take a look again at the fastest method for leveling up weapons?
Although I don't agree with everything you said, I do agree that there needs to be more of a payoff for winning matches or playing long term rather than working through the battle pass. There is no long-term payoff and that is definitely an issue
Good content!
I can mostly relate the matchmaking. It feels like a punishement if you kill 10+ people in a game.
Just want to enjoy the new map and I‘m not always in the mood to fight some sweaty roze skins
Mostly spot on with my personal thoughts. I'll add poor "Visibility" and "Audio" to the list of issues with the game. Warzone's audio is a mess and still is to this very day, from footsteps, to in-game background noises, the announcer, and audio cues for match information, all going on at the same time, it's stressful to focus or enjoy what your doing while playing. "Audio" is the the most important factor in a Battle Royale game and Warzone's designed audio is terrible, too many sound/audio cues happening at once, so much so that you can't hear or figure out enemy players are coming to you, above you, or below you, if they are close.
Visibility is poor for the most part. The color scheme of Warzone makes it rather hard to see enemies wherever you venture too or land. Even with adjusted settings or personal settings, the game's maps and character models blend together so well its difficult to separate the two, especially while in movement, running, sliding, looking around. Treyarch's "BLACKOUT", they understood that 'visibility should be specific' between the map, the character models, loot, weapons, etc.
Good discussion video as always Ace. Hopefully Warzone 2 will correct the flaws of Warzone 1.
Great video Ace and you make some good points. My buddies and I still play warzone but it’s definitely no where near what it used to be. There would be time where we would able breaks a couple months at a time. But we do enjoy winning, I’d say we’re average to above average player so wins don’t come all the time but when they do it still feels great to us. I do agree tho that I wish there was just something more when you did win like in game currency or something along those lines.
I miss your warzone gun stats video like how to covered the spr 208. It really educated me in a lot of things like damage bullets velocity. Just explaining the gun pros and cons overall and use trying out how to like to run your loudout for we can try them.
It's incredibly scary that the conversation about games has turned from "i don't play it because it's not fun" to, "i don't play it because I'm not unlocking or progressing anything"
Warzone has fucked balancing and completely been a mess since forced cold war integration. I would go back ro early warzone with a few quality of life updates in a heart beat
Exactly! It was all fun till they bashed guns from 'failed' games into a much better game
So what game-to-game benefit do you grind for in multiplayer? Sure, it's slower, but you can level your operator and guns in Warzone.
Also, player level gets you a battle pass token every 50 levels, which seems like a smaller version of what you're talking about with those Legend tokens/gun unlocks.
Personally, my friends started ONLY playing Warzone and it really wore me out. Sometimes multiplayer is just more quick and simple fun.
That's why I like COD multiplayer. I have a full time job and 3 kids. Life is full on I want what you described in quick simple fun.
While I'm also annoyed with the loss of a lot of the progression that we used to have in older CoD multiplayer games (Meaningful Prestige, Calling Cards, Dark Ops challenges, etc), at least I can still grind camos & weapon levels in Multiplayer (it makes sense to grind for them in MP vs a BR where there's no room for error or playing with bad guns).
@@TheXclusiveAce camos, yes, but if you do contracts you can rank up guns incredibly fast, unless they patched it, since I don't play enough now
@@TheXclusiveAce I agree with everything u said except for the weapon depth. If warzone only had 60 weapons I'd be pissed. Less content isn't a good thing, especially when it's not cluttered at all. Each attachment says what it does and enables us to make any build we want. I can use a hipfire movement ppsh or a medium range beam ppsh. I dont want less guns, and attachments. If I wanted that, I'd play halo. No variation, half weapons are garbage, and there's only like 15 guns. I know it's ur opinion, I'm just saying, I don't see how more weapons is a bad thing. Also, more weapons is more things to grind. Also grinding attachments it's really easy. Plunder or rebirth plunder or even just rebirth/fortunes keep regular gameplay and some contracts
@@jhzwwe123 if you stay current on the game then the number of weapons aren't an issue as they are slowly added and you have a solid understanding of the attachments.
Now if you take 6 months off and come back like I did, and see 15 new guns and patch notes for assault rifle alpha-india nerfed and buffed and every attachment says + recoil - speed and visa versa, it's very overwhelming and makes you not want to even bother.... the game feels like it's filled with crap right now
To be honest, when you put out that video last year saying you were going to transition the channel to primarily be a warzone channel, i was super bummed, b/c you have always been my go-to COD channel. Glad to you decided to focus on MP again! Glad to resub!!!
Your second big reason is my main reason....I can't keep up with the ever-changing meta. Compounding this is my personal view that a true, good BR is about scrounging and winning the game with what you find, (Blackout, PUBG) and not just scooping up cash as quickly as possible to go buy the Meta loadout....
You definitely hit alot of great points. My buddy and I hop on like once a month and we're probably just below average and it literally feels like everyone else is playing for hours everyday. When Verdansk first dropped you could drop up by dam or around the outside of map and it was relatively quiet. Then everyone started dropping those places and now every other game I feel like I'm playing demons. My KD is average but it's average because I close my distances and choose not to shoot till I know I get my kill. Now the ARs are beaming me from what I consider sniper distances and they've all but gutted snipers. Just want a chill game with everyone around my KD or even give me wide open lobbies atleast if I get killed by Xclusive Ace, Iceman Issac or Expel, I'd be like awesome! lol
This is exactly how I am. I usually drop into quieter areas, gear up, then don't only engage when I feel confident my gun is at an optimal range. Considering they've destroyed the sniper class, there's usually no reliable way to fight back against these zero recoil or fast TTK broken metas as a casual player. This completely kills my motivation to play Warzone at times.
I agree with most of your points but there is one more big one for me that makes me shake my head when my friends keep wanting to play Warzone instead of Multiplayer and that is not have an FOV slider for consoles.
Going from Multiplayer FOV over to Warzone, it feels like you can't see anything plus you have to readjust your sensitivity settings so you can aim at the same speed as you were in the other mode.
What gun were you using in the vid?
For the match making, when there was the site "warzone stat" going around I actually enjoyed warzone the best, as I could see my progression from bronze/silver lobby to platinum or even diamond sometimes. It was a really good stuff to be able to see the ranking of the game, the individual team and player inside each game. So sad they were banned.
I started to fade out midway through CW warzone. The best warzine experience IMO was definitely MW. It was fairly simple. Most guns that were good in MP were good in Wz. Granted it was new for CoD but it actually felt good and fun.
I agree the most fun was had during the Initial MW faze when the m4 was meta.
@@musc258 in my opinion all of the MW "metas" were good. There was still other weapons the could compete Grau, Bruen Kilo, M4. All good metas then the sniping was good. Then CW and Vanguard came around and there was just so many weapons added to the pool which then they had to phase out MW weapons by nerfing them slowly in the ground while CW/Vanguard guns being super op. It got to the point that I'd you didn't play CW/Vanguard daily for 8hrs you couldn't keep up with metas because the way weapon XP was handled in the MP. MW did a lot of things right as well as a good deal of things wrong but weapon leveling I felt was decent. I maxed every gun without DXP for camos but it wasn't stupid long like it is in the new titles.
Extremely well thought out. The apex parallel n bloat struck hard. The average person is usually deceptive about why they stopped tho. Are the supposed meta guns always the best? No. there has always been true sleeper guns that outgun the ‘meta’ or compare but content creators claiming everything is meta keeps ppl from finding out if it’s boy or cried wolf or not.. like “damn they are experimenting but discovering bullshyt so why would I try to find a different good gun I like if these sweats aren’t even able to find better shyt with all the time they put in” but really the amax n the pkm were always better than the kilo n until recently the mg82 n pkm were actually the best original choices to compete with VG guns.
Which is what contributed to causing what we have now where everyone says their lobby is the sweatiest. Bc the average casual players just hear whispers of exaggeration about the state of the game n that keeps it so only dedicated players outnumber the casuals or gamehoppers.
It’s just hilarious to me how ppl truly think the kilo era which was apparently their golden days... so much more limited on choices.. good choices yes... fresh n diverse? No. Why is it any different from the STG era. Or the xm4 era. A no recoil gun will always exist or else the average person isn’t getting kills bc average ppl don’t pull down on the right stick in the exact opposite pattern that the gun fires to control it... they’re not memorizing patterns they need their no recoil guns. They just hate losing n think Every1 cheats.
Everyone has Cronus this n that shyt maybe they just tested the pattern on the wall n pull down left. Most ppl in the comments are just sayin they got pissed on just give up after getting pissed on but meanwhile you are clearly not just making excuse about how it’s fun having an advantage until the adversary does.
Your points are so thorough n raw tho bc I took a break this season but am now enjoying it. (I stopped bc I hated the blixson Sprint to fire glitch n ppl playing scared but the map changed n the blix got fixed) But the average player who stopped playing lies about their true reasons. As in your cousin who can’t really shoot straight or slide n is the type of player anyone would want to have as the targets filling their lobbies... was probly only playing bc it was lockdown n he saw it thru his neighbors window.
completely agree with the weapon balance complaints. it's just too frustrating that there are always some broken overpowered weapons that I don't want to play.
FACTS on the stress part, that's the biggest part for me, spend so long looting just to get shot in the back with no time to react, it's so boring to me :(
they forgot the meaning of the word game its meant to be for fun games are played to de-stress relax after work kinda thing these corpo fascists have killed AAA multiplayer games exact same hidden SBMM is in Halo Infinite they're all the same controlling how you play and where and with who
1) boring genre that lost its appeal
2) matches and matchmaking take too long
3) too many weapons
4) game is bloated and runs horribly
5) not what call of duty is about
There should be 3 different modes when it comes to weapons there should be an mw, Cw, and vanguard guns only modes THE BIGGEST THING IS HAVING DIFFERENT SKILL RANKS WHERE THE SEASON LEVEL BADGE IS so we can know what rank we are and other players are
When are they going to fix stims?
Your one of the few channels who only focuses on Vanguard and i appreciate that.
I feel you exclusive. The game is in an awful state. Playing everyday is such a grind and a sweat. Feels like im playing call of duty champs game 7 every match. Game is not enjoyable, everyone in my lobbies is ttv or tiktok and the constant meta change, having to level up a new weapon every other week to have a chance is just not it
You definitely get better I've noticed a huge difference in my teammates Gameplay And getting the win is a Fun experience Especially when it's A Grind some times to do so
Winning a game of BR in any mode is never a “grind” it might be a grinder of a game cause everyone is playing like there’s money on the line or like they’re gonna get signed to an ORG if they slide cancel good enough lmfao
Yeah the thing with not getting any rewards for a win has bothered me since the start
I agree with all the points, and I really like the suggestions you made on the tokens or other rewards for just playing the game or win rewards.
I have stopped playing for a while, now I am back just to try the new fortunes map.
The guns meta shift is very frustrating, I understand they have to shift the meta but at least they should keep all the old guns viable for anybody that enjoys using them.
I think you've left out few major issues:
1. The real battle royal map, Caldera, is just bad game play wise. They really put alot of effort in it, but scattered the POIs on the edges, where you normally avoid, because of rotations. To top that the visibility is real bad, so more often or not you will die to someone who just hides somewhere. The also relates to my second point.
2. I think the game really caters to a campery play style. There's literally no counter to a guy standing still in a corner, pre aiming the door. He will hear you, and by the time you can react, you're already dead. Add to that perks like ghosts, and the heart sensor, and ofcourse the low TTK in comparison, it's just frustrating to put the effort to die to those kind of players.
3. For battle royal, ot really takes along time for a match to begin. Usually around 5 to 7 minutes to the drop off, Which is ridiculously slow for a battle royal (and yes, I'm aware of the new tokens added). They should put all the players from the lobby which have died and are waiting for a next map in somesort of practice arena
Just so they stay warmed up.and not wait too long. For casual players like me, who can play maybe 2 hours every other day, that's maybe 5-6 battle royal games, and 10 resurgence games...
@SomeChristianDude I don't think verdansk was way better BTW, the main issue is that when you get only a few chances (let's say gulag and a buy back), and if you're a casual player you will likely play with more casual players. So you won't have the safty net of a buy back by your team like those streamers do, because, well, they are incredibly good. This leads to people prefer to play it safe.
I personally hate it, and I prefer to play agressive, but I'm still a casual player, so more often than not I die.
This is why resurgence game play is the perfect combination for me of risk - not as high as battle royal, but not as low as MP.
TBH, if they had resurgence on Caldera (and not the one they bring every once in forever, where the zones are predefined), I would play alot more, because rebirth was getting repetitive. The new map is a good idea, but they should also use caldera - it's there, waiting for players like me
Honestly, while hindsight is 20/20, I remember how we were wondering if our progress from CW weapons would progress with WZ. And it seems that just became a huge flaw with the game overtime. While I like the large selection of weapons, some of them we can just not have, like the two separate MP5s.
If anything, I hope that they limit what can be added to the game in future CoDs, like brining in iconic weapons like M16A2 and M1 Garand, while also modifying the imported weapons to fit in the style of WZ2. Seriously, ever since the integration, the attachment game was just screwy.
That is legit one of the only great things about the game so I hope not.
@@TheEregos All I want is the SBMM to be dialed back, and for throwing knives to be viable still. I love hitting throwing knives, I don't use a riot sheild or melee weapon, I just enjoy that game mechanic. Now it doesn't even down a person with 2 sheilds instead of 3. And now thermites are useless, they don't kill someone stuck, in addition everyone always uses stims. Hell, mabye I need to use semtex.
i relate to the weapons part so much. I only have MW guns and a couple cold war ones, it feels so unachievable at this point to level up all the current vanguard meta guns
100% same situation for me
Your first two reasons are spot on why I stopped playing WZ when it's first year I grinded it out, than as Cold War came out I played less and less and since VG came out I've played less than 10 times but stay with VG MP. Great video Ace.
To me it's basically the fact that BR feels like it's too often just luck deciding who wins an engagement rather than the actual gunfight skills.
I'm aware that positioning, knowing the jump-ups etc also is a skill set but if it's about the gunfight skills MP just feels more like a level playing field to me.
Luck doesn't play into a gunfight at all. You either hit your shots or you don't.
My problem with Warzone is that it overly caters to ratty players. Stuff like suppressors that increase your range, stuns, claymores/proximity mines, super fast TTK, and piss poor positional audio really take away from the experience and make it super slow paced and unfun. Keep in mind that these problems were a thing back in the early days of Warzone.
The problem with all Cod games is the gun mechanics as a whole you have a high ttk no recoil or gun spread then you have guns with ttk that kill faster than you can aim down sights which is ridiculously stupid . Getting laserbeamed killed from 50 meters away without being able to return fire is one of the most annoying things ever
too fast TTK and poor balance are side issues compared to the 9 tick netcode which is the worst thing, then to add SBMM for everyone even tho for example most my gameplay is casual messing around however those few plays even without tryharding puts me in sweat lobbies all of which makes for cancer game
Have you considered trying The Cycle Frontier or Tarkov?
Totally agree. I quit playing a long time ago because of SBMM. I’m not gonna sweat every single game. I don’t care about warzone enough for that
listening to the things you dont like about it, sounds like just about every cod thats ever come out, you grind you guns, get your camos, then the next one comes out, rinse and repeat, i like the idea of an in game currency cus only cold war had prestige keys you could use for calling cards/emblems/blueprints
All the reasons above, plus the fact that the game is cheeks now
I agree Ace, I like the feeling of "Progress" in video games and Warzone has not had that in a long time other than getting personally better.
I hear you on having something to work for. I always want to play Warzone but rarely enjoy it even if I go in with no expectations. The only time I truly loved the experience was with the Cold War Operator missions (to unlock skins variations and calling card, & emblem). In the first few seasons there were many Warzone challenges (3 recon contracts, buy back 3 team mates, survive the gulag, survive 3 most wanted contracts, complete 5 bounty contracts). I actually went from an awful to a decent Warzone player going for these. once these and the seasonal challenges were done, I just can't motivate myself to play it. I've yet to drop into Fortune's Keep. sigh.
Warzone is so 2020.
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another reason that I would like to add into yours Is that the whole battle royal experience is about winning but they slowly changed the game play design toward killing which is not in first priority in my opinion
I feel similarly, but I also still play it all the time in groups. I’m not a huge solos fan anymore and in general WZ is definitely stale but I still really enjoy playing with my friends. I’m hoping they add ranked in WZ 2 and make grinding more worthwhile
In vanguard, The 1911 has a blue print (metal etched) that gives it the recoil booster. The 1911 normally can’t use that attachment
I abandoned Warzone long ago for one very simple answer: sbmm.
Honestly, that's how I felt about classic MP🤷🏽♂️ pretty much all your points, except for the billion guns available of course, apply to my MP experience after playing day in/day out for years and then casually for a few more.
I crossed over to zombies for the first time ever with cold war and never looked back. I used to watch Ace videos like he was the Messiah and I just realized a few weeks ago that I hadn't seen an Ace video in over a year! That's how far I feel out of love with MP... You are still the best MP/WZ content maker ever bro.🤘🏽 Now I'm excited for the next MW and maybe getting back into MP again.
Honestly I've pretty much stopped playing COD in general. Like you were talking about with guns and player level, that very much motivated me in Modern Warfare 2019 and i got Damascus skin and was gonna do the next one (I forget the name) on my favorites. I put so many hours into that one. But not in Warzone. I don't like battleroyale games in general so the only advantage warzone had for me over other ones was that it was cod so it felt familiar. At this point I'm just waiting for the next game to bring something new. Glad it's a modern warfare game and not another world war 2 or historical game. Really didn't like cold war that much though loved the zombies, and vanguard was so lack luster to me as well with it's gun system and difficulty to get the top skin.
Overall though, i would probably play if my friends still wanted to play it, but the nail in the coffin is none of them enjoy it either so hopefully next game can bring some life back into my cod career.
If we had old prestige system back I’d probably be playing CoD more
Totally agree.
When they changed the officer challenges it wiped my 100% complete season 1 and 2 (or at least I can’t find them…) and that really killed my motivation to play.
I enjoyed the officer challenges.
As far as making victory more rewarding for people I’d say offer either:
- double or nothing: you load in with all the weapons and loot you won with, but if you lose you get nothing from either match.
- spawn with victory weapon: whatever gun you were using when the game ended you get to drop in with (primary only)
I like Warzone but me who grew up playing MP games, the BR genre is just not for me, the only time I would stay and play Warzone is when they updated the playlist which has respawn based game modes like Clash, Rebirth Plunder, and Rebirth Payload. That makes the game fun cuz I get to use my own loadout instead of fighting for my own life like its a tournament just to get my loadout. I just hope the devs would add more respawn based game modes like the 3 I mentioned for the casual player base like me, sick and tired of trying to survive till the last one/squad standing rather than spawn, fight, die, repeat.
Amen, Ace. I'm right there with ya. And it's for a lot of the same reasons. I still play it, but not much. I'm a casual, and I basically play when I have the time and I'm not super exhausted from work. It seems like it needs to be a job of its own for you to do any good in it. And I don't need another job, especially one that doesn't pay. Yeah. I watch the youtubers talk about the meta, but it changes so fast that a casual just can't keep up. And the weapons I actually like to use rarely seem to find their way into the meta, if at all. And you really do have to run the meta to do well in your gunfights. And not only is the matchmaking bad, but the servers are horrible as well. With 50 MB/sec cable internet, a brand spanking new PS5, and a good tweaked router there's no reason that I should have to deal with the lag spikes and packet loss that I do. And then there's the sweats, and the cheats, and being forced to compete with PC players who have way more benefits than we console players with our weak aim assist. (that actually still doesn't work for me) I honestly think Ricochet is really only concerned about higher tier lobbies than the ones I'm in. I have never seen it troll any of the hackers in my lobbies. As for the solo play thing, that's actually been improving, in my opinion. The inclusion of solo resurgence modes is an example. I also prefer soloing and usually finish in the top ten. Although I don't get wins, it's better than when I play with the few people I do but don't mesh well as a team with because I don't finish with a horrible KD or spectating when they win without me. But my overall KD in WZ sucks while I'm well above average and finish with the highest KD of my team in MP most of the time. So WZ is really just not worth my time, for the most part. I may not even bother with WZ2 when it comes out.
Man phuck Warzone..that shit be bruising my thumbs up..they need to bring back the orginal prestige mode where u can reset after 50 & get a level up after each time u hit 50 & reset if you choose to (TDM modes)...btw great vid Ace, everything u touch on was spot on
Man, old H1Z1 was a wild time. I miss it. Pleasant Valley hot drops into chaos were always intense
The BR Burnout section you had describes me 1000%. I used to play tons of Fortnite, Apex and Warzone, but nowadays I wouldn’t touch those games with a 20 foot stick. Especially since I spend so much time stressing over my job and family stuff, I don’t wanna play a video game that adds to that. For that reason I’ve gone back to playing Cold War which has its issues, but its been pretty fun and still has a decent number of players on TDM and Dom
one thing about the apex point u mentioned at the beginning, you can also buy skin recolors as well as legends, so it allows you to buy some nice skins as well
Can you elaborate on your comments about solos? What could be done to improve solos in your opinion?
I agree with everything you said. Nice to see someone else does too cause I'm a huge fan of COD. I left and went to apex and I'm enjoying ranked but more solo based modes on big maps would be so awesome to get added to the cod playlist.
what are u playing currently?
Spot on Ace. I think the majority of us feel the same way about all of this. Especially the skill based matchmaking.
i agree with all tge points above. the amount of guns , the time you have to put in to any and every weapon to upgrade it to a certain level to make it viable, the tryhardiness of lobbies when i just want to play casually, not competively, lack of over all progression towards something, player level reset every season, the insane tasks to unlock guns.
this game expects you to invest your life in it from day 1, while not giving you even the bare minimum of rewards you should have for grinding this much.
I used to play warzone everyday when i come back from work . And than elden ring was out and i got it . I remembered what truly gaming and enjoying gaming feels like . I remembered what leveling up and getting rewarded for feels like , i remembered what a game should be And i completely forgot about warzone .
Ps : Elden Ring one of the best game ever made in the world
Maan I started losing interest when cold war dropped and people SPAMMING the DMR. It pissed me off so bad. My KD dropped 6 tenths of a point because I refused to use it. And they didn't fix it for like a month. It made me sick
Right there with ya man, although personally my biggest complaint/source of burnout is the matchmaking issues. There is just no such thing as getting on a playing a casual session anymore. You either play super sweaty or you just get shit on game after game...and it's just not fun anymore. Like what happened to just vibing and chilling and having a good time in COD. It's impossible now, and I'm just super ready for a change of pace.
Also as I watched this I just had to say I died laughing when you hit the loadout after killing the guy and seeing the loadout on the ground a few times 😂 was good needed a pick me up
The matchmaking is insane, I stopped playing well over a year ago but I thought I give the new map a go, it was like I never left turned it off after 30 mins... the game is not fun if you are well above average...
4:14 thats a loadout marker right there on the ground isnt it?
couldn't agree more. I take week or so breaks and when I get back I feel like I am way behind and if i don't spend an hour watching youtube learning what is good and what now isn't good, then I just have to guess
I have over 20 playing days on blackout but only 2 for warzone
I’ve stopped playing the last 6 months for most of the reasons you mentioned. Predominantly, never ending rotation of overpowered/broken weapons, broken and changing attachments. Can’t keep up with what’s good and what isn’t.
i jus got into warzone lol what am i gettin myself into
Where is the FOV slider for console
Fair enough. You're not wrong. Thank you for the explanation. Love your content, will definitely miss your warzone content cuz it was super helpful. I know some of it is transferable but a lot of it is not directly