Dodge Jeep Chrysler RAM in Major Trouble? Lot's are Overflowing!
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2024
- I recently visited my local Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler, RAM dealership to look closely at how much inventory they had on hand. With more research, I was able to determine that Stellantis vehicles are some of the slowest selling vehicles on the market. 8 out of the top 10 were Stellantis built cars and it was obvious when you look at just how much inventory they have on hand.
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Yeah I seen that & kind of figured that’s what it was & Not You. They did my personal account like that years ago and people that know me no I do not post things like that or talk like that. SMH on how easy they can do that BS & it’s too dang hard to get someone to help on IG support.💯🤦🏾♂️
Racer....This would be a great topic to expand on (if anyone would talk)....Get a high member of a few dealerships (heck, black them out for anonymity) and tell us what's up from the top dog of the dealerships. At the end of the day, senior management is the ones calling the ball on sales. Maybe even go to another brand as well and get their input on things (you talk about Toyota in the video).
Even with the UAW strike GM, Ford, and Stellantis had record profits last year. Prices won't be coming down anytime soon.
Go woke go broke
7:00 dummy big dummy Chrysler proved that they are woke they have joined the New world order we have turned their back on us
Wanted to test drive a Charger srt at my local dealership. Nope, not unless I actually buy it. I looked at them and said, I’m 56 years old, unbelievable credit and I pulled up in a fully paid for Yukon. It’s not like I’m a teenager going to rod on the thing, I just won’t buy something I can’t see if I like first. I even offered to let them come along, nope. That was 6 months ago and they have called me 4 times offering to let me test drive it now. I will never forget how I was treated and am perfectly fine with the old Yukon.
You might want to reconsider if you’re truly serious about buying a Charger. After watching this video and hearing how your local dealer has been repeatedly calling you, they might now be willing to offer you a good price. Don’t let the indignation get between you and the car you want. It sounds like you could be in a very leveraged position to get a good deal.
First time a company treats you badly, it's their fault. Second time a company treats you badly. it's your fault.
You might get a good deal now.
Yeah I believe you I was getting work done on my r/t and wanted to test drive a hell cat or scat whichever and they wouldn’t let me Jacksonville fl dodge
@@marshayemanuel4774 I’m not like some young guy either, I’m almost an old man, lol. I told the young salesman that there was no way I’d ever buy a car without testing it. I didn’t arrive in a crappy car either, I drive a fully loaded Yukon Denali. I’ve driven Ferraris and Lambos in my lifetime but I can’t test a dodge?
Most manufacturers have priced themselves out of the market for the normal person
True. I'm never going to spend more than 20k for a car again.
Definitely
Plus they are getting rid of affordable sedans and coupes for more EVs CUVs and SUVs. Not everyone wants or needs a new 70k+ SUV where a 20k sedan could easily get them from A to B
@@nerychristian If you do not have them or prefer used car - yes , you will not buy.
@@thedragonofdalzell20K? Are you clueless? 20K is less than 15K in 2012. 20K is the price for a new Nissan Versa.
100%
You're telling me that the average person cant afford a $90,000 truck that has a $30,000 dealer mark up? SHOCKER.
And not to mention the minute you pull off the lot it going to lose 40 percent value
@@stevenphelps1072😂😂😂 it’s insane. And you can’t feel sorry for them because they are hurting but refused to lower prices.
I certainly DON'T feel bad for the "Stealership's" 😂
Yeah, it’s pretty simple, you gouge everybody and they just stop buying
The average consumer can only be squeezed so much within the inflation bubble.
You start seeing loaded Jeep Wanglers selling for 70k and base models selling for 45k , that's not sustainable.
You also forgot the base models for 45k still have manual roll up windows standard 😁
A 25 to 30k spread between trim and options for most cars isn’t that uncommon. Besides that, like it or not, there is quite a bit of R&D that goes into building things like the 4xE and the 392, which is most likely what you are referencing in that price range.
@@DrBIeed It does not matter, maybe they should have not gone all in on inventory because most of the consumers of these vehicles probably make between 50 to 100k a year and it as out of their range at least in mass. The 4XE does not seem like that much of a bargain on overall MPGs either in real world driving.
I wouldn't even spend 45k on a jeep period! It's a jeep! SMH
@@fredwilliams7893lost identity. Nothing for the average working man in their lineup. Really not much in anyone's lineup...
The big problem with all new cars they're way too expensive. Inflation has destroyed our country.
Inflation is just a cover the elite use for their greed
Yep. Hopefully people will think about it when they vote this time.
Even before the inflation that crap was too expensive lol
@@stephent3750Yep
@@stephent3750 so it's not companies just being fucking greedy. no, it's the person in the white house... FFS
$81K for a jeep is a non starter. Car payment higher than my house payment lol
That Scat Pack with current rates would be over $1100 per month. See you later Dodge 👋
all the dealers ruined the demon 170 ,super stock, scat pack 1320 orders ... loaded Them with lot of options we dont want or need on a race track I like just pure driving no driver assistance , with a demon 170 one would never turn on the sound system
Also it would be 72 or 84 months at 1100$+
They also put the dealers name on your car and get free advertisement, while charging 1100 a month. I always make them remove it from my car.
You could get a brand new Hellcat 4 years ago for about $900/month with nothing down. Stupid crazy...
@@MrBoker69 I do the same thing. Always have. I take off the dealer's licence plate frames too.
81k for that JEEP????
WTF that is a 40k SUV MAX.
Exactly
Shouldn't be a dollar over 35K.
Not even a V-8
that idot carlos at stellantis is smokin' some baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad stuff, goodnight dodge, jeep etc.......
@joro7304 😂😂
I make pretty well over $100k/year and I can’t even afford the monthly payment on what they are trying to charge for a Scat Pack.
Then you are doing something wrong.
@@zfunk9 I’m not paying $1,000/month for an overpriced N/A car that jumped 20% in price over the last year.
@@Veritas1992Seriously, 392s were going for 31K back in 2019-2020, now they want over 60k with an interest rate of 6-7 percent at best… GTFO 🗑️. What a rip off.
@@Veritas19921k+? Ur credit must be shit then. I got my widebody brand new with gap and the payment is 700
I’m with you fam I make over 100k/year and went in to buy a challenger, hoped for a scat but got a sxt. Scat would have been 1000+ a month vs my sxt I got with only $350 a month. So I’m definitely with you. We could afford it but really don’t want to. Prob just keeping sxt and getting a bike instead 🤣
I feel the same as you. When I bought my 2018 Grand Cherokee it was $20 less than what they are asking for the newer ones. After attempting to negotiate with several dealerships, I've decided not to trade mine. New tires and little maintenance is waaay less expensive!
Nobody trying to pay $1000 plus x 84 months for a Scat.
I just paid 20 thousand dollars a 2022. Scat. But it’s a flood car . From California.. and believe me. It’ was under water for a while too.
Why not? it reasonable price for new muscle car car.
...and the suckers that already took those $1000 x84 loans are going to be trapped upside down for half a decade or contributing to our ongoing repo crisis.
Scat is the scientific name for wild animal poop. Just saying.
@@jjthefed Lol, truth. Never knew it. For these cars though it looks like legacy name plate, the way how people called them in 60-s
About a 25% price increase over the last three years, for the same cars. They shouldn't be selling.
It's even worse when you consider that nothing about the charger/challenger has changed since 2015. Same interior and largely the same engines and exteriors. Only the wide bodies have been added and various versions of the hellcats. But the 5.7/6.4 haven't changed in 9 years and some of these trim models are double the price from 2015
Scat pack prices are insane. Around 2-3 years ago my local dealer was selling loaded wide body scats for under $50K.
Facts I got a 2021 widebody fully loaded for 44k December 2020. Sold it for 56k two years later. It's out of control
Salute 🫡 on that flip. Damn 😂@@Touchedbyapriest
Test drove a scatty last week. Been on the lot for sixteen months, dead battery (not just low-charge), absolutely filthy engine bay. Guy said there were over 100 Challengers in inventory. Got super-lowballed on my trade and went home. Two days later saw online they'd raised the price by $2000. I do not understand this marketing strategy.
They sit there for another year then it’s gonna be called a junkyard lol😂
It doesn't work this way. The documentation will be re-signed and they will be labeled as the next year models.
Nobody paying 30 grand for a junk ass economy car.
Best comment on this video. Short and directly to the point. Not to mention true.
Facts a v6 GT charger I seen was 42k that was damn near a scat pack in 2017
These cars far being "economy" - they built on base of Mercedes Classe E 400 and powered with very non economical V8.
@@AK.__ And they are not 30,000. I am pretty sure he is referencing other junk made by Dodge.
@@MrBoker69 You right in what you are saying. But previous comment was made most likely by troll, who wanted and got attention saying that Dodge making junk economy cars.
"Mr and Mrs. Smith, I see you are applying for a loan to remodel your kitchen. Hmm looking at your financial statement I see you have an 1800 dollar mortgage but what is this 2100 dollar monthly payment?" "Oh, that's our truck payment."
It's not just Stellantis that's the problem. I live in the Buffalo area and went to a CDJR dealer in N.Falls recently looking to replace my Charger RT with another RT. They had several on the lot and the sales person told me strait up there's no discount on any last call Chargers. I told him well then these cars are going to rot on this lot, I'll never pay list price for a car. That was 2 months ago, and I still check out their web site, and all the RTs I was looking at are still there. I arrogance of some dealers is stunning!
The arrogance and the greed 🤦
I went to my local dealership, they have 4 R/Ts with T/A Package. Cheapest one is 59k! Fifty Nine FUCKING K!!!! Like are you kidding me???????
They need to lower their price.
Prices jumped too quickly. When you think of the dodge power dollar days back in late 2020 to early 2021 when you could get a base hellcat for sub 60k, now a scat pack is at/above that range just a few years later?!?
For too many of us, those cars went from a “yeah I can swing that” to “nah, I legitimately can’t afford it”. And it’s not just the car prices that jumped, so did insurance, property taxes, groceries, utilities. So the income I could have comfortably used to buy a $60k hellcat 3 years ago, now even if the car prices stayed the same I’d have to seriously think if it’s still worth it or not. And I know I’m not alone in that.
I'm glad someone remembers! This isn't said enough
So true so true.
In the last 3 years car prices have increased almost 40%, when it took 10 years or more to have a 40% increase before that. So the car dealerships have clearly got too greedy thinking everyone would pay those crazy increases, but a lot of people are refusing to do it. And now they are stuck with thousands of cars and trucks they can not sell because they are priced too high.
To be honest the buyers are truly at fault for signing & buying the over priced cars to begin with ! They wouldn’t have put a 10k mark up if the people weren’t trying to buy the cars. Supply & demand plays a huge role into the pricing too. Basic economics now they’re just getting to keep their lots full with cars that won’t sell. Many cars will have to be sold for way less since they need to play their floor fees & keep their units moving. At the end of the day with patience you can snag a good deal just keep playing the waiting game sooner or later they’ll budge ! If no one buys then they’re enticed to lower prices for any buyer at that point. 😅
@@TheDonRamirez The car companies are also to blame, they have raised prices on their cars and trucks at a faster rate in the last 2 years than ever in history.
Back in 2010 it would take 10 years, or more, for car and truck prices to increase 40%, but the car companies have increased prices almost 40% in the last 2 years or so, it is ridiculous.
They got greedy, and they decided to not make cheaper cars and trucks any more. They decided to make mostly higher priced models with all the options to make increased profits, and they made the big mistake of thinking everyone would pay those ridiculous prices.
They were wrong, now a lot of Americans are refusing to pay $70k, or more for a truck, etc. So all these car dealerships are stuck with them, and nobody is buying them. I would not pay more than $40k for a truck if my life depended on it. They screwed up, and now they are stuck with $70k, $80k, and $90k boat anchors.
They wanted to charge me over $600 dollars to put a Steering wheel angle sensor at my local Dodge dealer. I couldnt believe it 🤷 got a back yard Mechanic who did it for $60 bucks.
Well that ain't nothing new ALL DEALERS from ALL companies charge you an arm and leg for parts and labor.
Why would you go to the dealer to get work done not under warranty?? they don’t care about you they’re not interested in doing you any favors
Thanks for the info! Good stuff!
All I can say is good.
Their greed has finally become well known and people are finally saying nope. Absolutely insane that so many of these cars are so close to the price of an actual home.
I have 3 kids. They all have what use to be considered good careers. Youngest is a full time teacher, middle works in a steel mill as an electrician, 3rd used his GI bill to get his hvac. The 2nd and 3rd are renting because they can't afford a mortgage. My youngest is still living at home because teachers do not get paid anything.
Covid and inflation have made it impossible for them to live a good stable life. It's very sad to see what's going on in this country
Man, you nailed it! So sad what is going on in this country right now I don’t even recognize it anymore.
I remember in the mid '80s making twice what people make now. I had a $26 an hour job mid '80s working for a construction company. Tarred driveways for $350 a day 40 years ago. I don't know how these kids survive today on 15 or 20 an hour.
Simple no dating. No marriage. No kids. @@tharblin
Teachers don't get paid anything yet property taxes go up 40% to pay for the teachers and cops yet you're saying they don't get paid anything
Inflation through the roof. Insurance costs through the roof for the hemis. Jeeps have gone euro luxury brand pricing. And Hornets are getting bad reviews from owners with big technology problems- Alfa Romeo reliability. Stellantis isn't doing anything right, right now.
Amen
"Inflation through the roof.?" Are you still living in mid 2023? YOY inflation is down to less than 3%. And why do you think the Fed will be LOWERING rates three to four times in 2024? Your post was very ignorant.
@@steveludwig4200 No it isn't, it incresaed 3.4% December 2023 from the previous year.
Inflation is not through the roof. It is about 1-1.5% above long-term average.
@@steveludwig4200 That doesn't change the 3 years of insane inflation.
Most people don't want to take out a second mortgage to buy a new car.
It's like stellantis ran dodge into the ground on purpose
Many say thats the plan
all good things must come to end
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LOL No. They were too late to EVs is all, that's why there is no Dodge cars this year or next. You gas fools are responsible, you just didn't get that gas is OVER. If Stellantis cancelled the Daimler Challengers and Chargers 3 years ago you would've cried like babies, THAT's why they are in trouble. 🎬
It’s probably true
5:45 $65,000 for a pre-scratched scatpack widebody is just crazy. They should sell that as a dealer special called the scratchpack
Its not worth $10,000. You cant repaint it to my standards without dismantling the whole car, including the interior. A color change makes it a used car. Regardless of mileage.
@@garycamara9955 I agree about the paint but, I’d definitely pay $10,000 for a new scratchpack. Engine and trans are worth more than that alone and for $10,000, I’d just enjoy it how it came from the dealership.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@garycamara9955let's no be overly dramatic. Definitely worth $10,000. At that price you could easily turn around and sell it for double.
I saw that too 😂
Hey racer x. Nobody, including you mentioned that the inventory of the Charger, Challenger, and 300 is high because we overbuilt to have inventory until the new Charger is ready for production. I work in the Brampton Assembly Plant and it was six days a week of production for the last year building up inventory.
I work as a parts manager at a CDJR dealership and must say you hit the nail on the head... It is a big problem that is not going away anytime soon
I would imagine they are not selling because no one can afford the ridiculous prices & interest rates.
The dealer doesn't need everyone able to afford these card. They need only 100 who can afford.
@@AK.__if a guy like RacerX has a Dodge demon and still can't afford to consider getting a truck to tow it, it seems like they've priced themselves out of even the demographic that would be willing to pay that kind of money anyway. The people who can afford these prices already have the cars they want
@@lilbrother21 That's right. But it not only Dodge - it is almost every manufacturer, at least in North American market. And someone still buy the cars...
@@lilbrother21 he can absolutely afford it, he just does not want to pay it. That is the difference. If you have Demon 170 money, you have tow pig money.
Toyota is the big dog now…
The only answer is for them to drastically cut the MSRP across the board & cut CEO salaries to compensate
I'll buy one tomorrow if they did that
Yea like that’ll happen
Great job, Charles From Texas, outstanding delivery.
Great video, keep ‘em coming.
CDRJ has turned off many loyal buyers with their ridiculous mark ups. My last 6 vehicles have been from CDJR; however, after looking into a Wrangler 392 and my local dealer trying to shaft me with a $20k mark up, I balked. After that, I swore off purchasing a CDJR vehicle and will probably never purchase another one. It left a bad taste in my mouth, and I know many others feel the same.
Same here, I really wanted a Charger Widebody Scatpack a year or so ago, couldn't find any around me for under $65k (and thats just the website price, they always end up higher in my experience). I ended up going the Camaro route due to being completely turned off by Dodge. I walked in to the Chevy dealer right across the highway from dodge and about 60-90 minutes later I drove off with my 2023 1SS (couple options like the NPP exhaust) for $44k (msrp) and NO attempts at charging more. Side note - Camaro SS $44k and faster than a Scatpack, Camaro zl1 $65k and faster than a hellcat... just saying
Same here. I had planned to buy at least one and probably two Dodges in 2023. Then Dodge started playing pricing games and allowing their dealers to abuse their customers. I’m done. We’re still actively shopping for a new vehicle for my wife ... and Dodge is not on our radar at all. IMHO .... Dodge is getting exactly what they deserve.
One man’s “Last Call” is another man’s Obsolete!
Ford is doing the same thing
youre poor and broke just admit it
@@717Chris I agree they have tried. Ford is getting lambasted the same as Dodge has been. I could see some historical car brands quickly disappear. About 2 years ago, I went into Ford to buy a Bronco and they wanted a $20K markup. I laughed and walked out. I was able to get a Jeep Wrangler before Dodge went crazy. Was able to purchase the Jeep with no mark up.
My jeep identifies as a mercedes, just look at the msrp 😂
somebody needs to explain to these fools that THERE IS A MAJOR RECESSION in this country and nobody is splurging on expensive toys now, those car are going to rot-on-those-lots
Good video! Seeing tons and tons of challengers and chargers around us as well.
Congrads on hitting 200.000 subscribe.
These dealerships are screwed. Not just Dodge, also Chevy and Ford. Now the 2024 models are on the lots, and they still have massive 2023 inventory. You would think they'd slash the prices, but no - it's the opposite! Cars sitting on lots cost them money and some of these cars have been sitting for months, so they mark them up. It's sunk cost fallacy on a major scale.
No these dealerships are being stingy but customers will get the last laugh in the end
I'd hate to see how much their floor plans are costing them. This is going to drive dealers out of business.
Good @@MazichMusic
@tigyep and cant wait erhoods7927
They are still trying to sell 2022 stock 🤣 believe it or not.
Stellantis is like watching a train wreck. They must think their loyal buyers are just plain stupid. I have been a loyal Mopar owner for decades. After watching them price gouge, discontinue their best selling models, the cars we want, and force us to buy vehicles we have stated loudly that we do not want, (say electric), they can go pound sand. And I guess I am not the only one who feels that way. Look at the sales lots overflowing with overpriced vehicles that have been sitting there for a year in some cases. They must drop prices on them all by at least $20000 and then start bargaining from there if they ever expect to sell them. We are going to trade our 2019 Rubicon for a Kia Sportage soon. Never in my life have expected to say that! And then there is this, I would not buy CJDR now because I fear they wont be around to service them in just a few short years.
STELLANTIS first mistake was thinking the American Market is just like the European Market and they know what Americans want! Americans don’t want tiny little Fiats and Alfa Romeos!
Facts they must think people will buy anything at any price lol
I hate to break it to you, but Stellantis doesn't need you. They don't need V8 Challengers and Chargers in just the US. Their US margins are killing it with Jeep and RAM. They are a very profitable global company. Times have changed, the car market doesn't revolve around V8 American muscle cars anymore. Like it or not, this is the business reality that car makers operate in. Only Ford is interested in producing a relatively affordable V8 in the Mustang.
@@barco581 Operantly this is how they are thinking. My wife and I were in the market for a new car, looking at a new Charger, decided not to buy one because of the bloated ridiculous pricing. Look at their sales numbers. Maybe they do need me, and others like me, or they will never unload all those year old cars and trucks filling the dealer lots right now. The U.S. auto industry has shot themselves in the foot. They decided to follow the woke and Green trend instead of doing what there traditional customers want them to do. So they have cars to sell that no one will buy. Mustang Mach E anyone?
@@musclecarheaven you don't know what you are talking about. US auto makers sales were up 12.4% in 2023. Sales and profits are through the roof overall. Stellantis had record profits of over $12b during the first half of 2023! It looks like the second quarter numbers are not in just yet.
Very nice video. Thanks for posting this.
The markups on the dodges are ridiculous. They are marking scat packs and hellcats up from 20k to 50k…..How is Dodge letting this happen. They are marketing geniuses but this last call crap has allowed dealerships to just ask whatever they want.
Look around you can get Rt for 30k..Scat Packs for 40-50k and Hellcats under 70k
Ive seen V6 Challengers for over $40k. No thanks hard pass
@@mypronouniswtf5559 used yes not new. Not anywhere I've seen near me anyway.
@@mypronouniswtf5559regularly seeing hellcats sell over 80 grand.
If you're going to kill the golden goose, you might as well charge admission.
Stellantis is realizing their plan to sell Alfas and Fiats to America with a Dodge badge is doomed to fail.
They're going to grab as much cash as they can, and they're gone.
The parking lot doesn't lie.
Seems like vehicles with the poorest quality are the ones no one is buying.
It's the internet age and people are smarter about which vehicles are trash and which are better quality and the days of trying to impress people with your vehicle is a phenomena from the 80s or 70s maybe even into the 1990s but it is over now
Those are such nice vehicles. I’m retired from Chrysler and choose a Bronco sport for my last vehicle, it is so much better than I expected.
Its incredible when you realize there are millions and millions of dollars invested in those vehicles just hanging out...
If they don't sell them, they will never be able to sell them for even a "normal" MSRP, because of paint damage from sun/tree sap/bird sht etcc, , possibly even seals and gaskets drying out without oil splashing around in the engine. Those cars are literally sentenced to death.
@@Neanderthal75 Im sure TONS of vehicles that sit on lots end up at auction at some point to prevent more loss...I always think about the winter where brand new cars have to have snow removed from them, minor scratches ect on a brand new car stings lol
@@cutlerylover they won't... They will go to abandoned race tracks/lots like they did in 2020 and rot to death. They would rather take a total loss than give someone a deal because apparently giving someone a deal loses them even more money. We live in a crazy time. People out there carless, yet cars that dont sell go to vacant lots to rot.
@@TMANNTYLER666I wish there was a way to finding out how much it costs to actually manufacturer one of these vehicles. Its obviously not what the dealers or Stellantis is marketing this thing as, but can not giving consumers a deal and letting these things rot really be saving more money than selling them for CPO or under prices? It's still made of metal. The whole situation is ridiculous
@iamoctonate i would be curious too. Some places they are coming down a lot. Ive been watching 1 particular scat pack in miami for 3 months now. Went from 62k down to 44k. Theres deals out there. But sitting forever comes with its own problems
My local dealership has a brand new Charger RT for almost $60K. That's absolutely insane in my opinion, I mean you can get a used Hellcat for that. I understand that some people want their cars new, but in my opinion it isn't worth a $30k premium. I'm currently deciding on an RT or scat, but there's no way in hell I could justify spending that extra premium.
I got my ‘17 RT back in ‘19 for almost 1/3 of that! Crazy!
You can actually get a used Hellcat for sub $40k. Of course it'll probably have some things going on with its history (salvage, accidents, theft, etc), but there are some gems out there I've come across. If I was in a different financial situation, I'd snatch one up really quick.
@@marqj301 Oh yeah for sure, I thought about it, but whichever I get is gonna be my daily driver, and in my state taxes and insurance would be extremely expensive if I were to get a hellcat. Hopefully in a few years when I'm out of college though.
60 racks for a 5.7. Naaawww son. lol. Even if you had the money and can afford it financially doesn’t make sense.
I got a 2009 RT for 27k CAD in a private sale. I can't even comprehend spending DOUBLE the price for the same engine and an interior i dislike more.
Thanks RacerX, great information. I'd love to replace my Wife's car with a Charger R/T but, at current prices, no way. I'll hope for discounts or rebates down the line.
Great video RacerX. You nailed it. The working class are simply priced out of the market.
Glad i bought my used charger scat pack before the market went crazy! These dealers will never sell all that inventory at those prices. Absolutely insane
I bought a new Challenger Scat Pack in late 2018, Love it! I was looking at buying a new Jeep Rubicon a few years ago now, what turned me off was the $500 additional prices on paint colors (except white). The additional $1500 for a hard top, (Black, not even insulated, $2500 for a color matching hardtop) the addition $1600 for LED lites. All those and more should be included.
I remember when paint use to be included in the price of the car! 🙄 Bunch of bull shit charging extra for paint colors!
That is the biggest problem with every car dealership right now all across the country.
The cars went from 20k$ base models to 40k$ base models in 10 years. Plus you have banks increasing the interest rates and making people pay monthly payments of 600-900$ a month payments and none of it is actually based on one’s credit score anymore, this is just the average monthly payment price tags.
No one can afford this with the current inflation and economy.
I bought my first new car in 2014, it was a Chevy Cruze LT with a six speed manual transmission 17k$ car 250$ a month it only had the 5 test drive miles I put on it to. They want 30k$ for the same car and a monthly payment of 600$ a month. I had also got a slightly used 2014 dodge challenger sxt 29k$ car at the time and monthly payment was only 350$ a month, now that same car is around 45-50k$ with a monthly payment of 700+$.
The car market is not sustainable right now due to the prices and bankers being greedy.
If you look back in time at similar models back in the 60’s and 70’s you will see that cars only cost about 3-5k$.
The housing market is even worse than the car market. I think it comes down to the bankers just being greedy and the fact that the federal government increased the minimum wage and all businesses had to comply.
I took a risk and bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Limited and could not keep it out of the shop. The dealer had it more than I did. That was my last Ram or anything Stellantis. I really wanted to like that truck, but it fought me all the way.
Same with my 2019 warlock it had great potential but the fact that the window control panel would just fall out of the door like my 05 SLT and my wipers quit working at 30,000 miles along with several other issues like the gas tank not taking fuel or screen freezing for days at a time or the cruise control button going out with 10k miles on the truck, just straight garbage.
Stellantis has inflated their prices more than any other automaker. Scatpacks have almost doubled in prices here in Canada. They are lowering prices with big discounts even with employee pricing, but the interest rates are at 10% on some vehicles for financing.
The problem that in the Canada these cars are rare, even being assembled in Ontario. There are no Scats on the lots, without even speaking about Limited editions. Even 345 R/T are rare guests and being sold very fast.
Isn't the majority of the increase dealer mark ups though?
Everyone's comments are spot on, totally agree
Problem with newer trucks is that they all have so many sensors related to EPA regulations, and when they go bad it shuts your truck down and costs $1000s to replace…..I refurbished my daily F150 and plan to keep it for that reason.
And all those Challengers and Chargers are from 2023...yeah not good for the dealers at all....but they did it to themselves.
I was window shopping for a 2019-2020ish hellcat and the prices on some of the used ones are almost back to being reasonable, in FL there were a few Hellcats in the 50's and a bunch in the 60k range. Not a buyer for a HC anymore but still like to look. Oh, and the Hornet? Meh....not an interesting car at all. Mopar kinda blew it on a lot of levels.
kinda same here. If I do eventually get a Hellcat, it'll be used.
The fact that not to long ago you could get a decently optioned hellcat for mid 60k rangr and now you almost cant even touch them unless you wanna shell out 80k is crazy
There is a reason Crysler has had 4 owners in the last 20 years. They have the worst plants with the worst workers. I worked for an automotive parts manufacturer in the metro Detroit area. I have been to dozens of the "Big Three" plants in many states so I know what I am talking about. I am not bashing every employee as every plant has a few good ones but as a whole Chrysler has the fewest by a large margin.
They make the worst automatic transmissions. (making it over 100k is a milestone)
They source the lowest priced parts, from low quality manufacturers to build their products. They have the worst quality control programs and are years behind in plant layout, 5s and lean manufacturing.
The Hemi's motors with their lifters at an almost 90-degree angle have poor oil lubrication / oil starvation and eat the needle bearings and then the cams.
The only Thing Chrysler has that could be sold to another manufacturer is the Jeep Wrangler. And most likely will be the only thing left in the near future to be sold off.
I kind of hate to type this as it would have affected a lot of people's lives, but the Government should have let Chrysler go under in 1980 or in 2008. It would have made for a stronger Ford and G.M. Instead, they were bailed out and look where they are at now!
They are the Titanic of American automobile makers. Daimler tried to save the ship, then Cerberus then Fiat and now Fiat and Peugeot. Who will be the next to fail? I think no one will. Lower the remaining lifeboats and sell Jeep (Wrangler).
This may be a hard read for all the Chrysler / Dodge / Jeep /Ram fanboys, but it is the truth.
And just so people do not think I am just a Chrysler hater I am not. I Own a 2013 Jeep Wrangler as my former daily driver and now an off-road toy. I also own a 2021 Challenger wide body scat pack shaker that is my summer fun toy.
I just call things as they are, and Chrysler is on life support and most in the industry know it!
Great video. I have had a 14 and 16, 1500 I had an 18, 19 and now a 22 2500. The quality with Stellantis has gone way way way down my opinion is they’ll go into bankruptcy soon if they don’t beef up their quality and their parts availability, my 22 within two months of owning it the steering wheel fell apart it took six months to get it. The electronics in it are nothing but nightmares and it is the Laramie trim.
Man I got a used sxt in 2022 and it seems like it wouldn’t have mattered if I waited. The prices are insane lol
I still want a scat. Maybe I’ll be ready to buy one when the prices drop. If they ever do.
Just bought a new 2023 Durango R/T in Ohio. Factory and Dealer discounts equaled $13K of off the sticker. I also got 7.5 % financing.
You know it’s bad when people are satisfied with 7.5% apr.
@@Th3Will why do you say 7.5% apr is bad? That is pretty much back to average interest rates over the long term. Look back at the 70s and 80s, people had rates pushing 15%. The last decade or so was the exception.
@@barco581You see you have to compare it to things from the 70’s and 80’s to make it acceptable. That was over 40 years ago. If you compare stuff to the worst anything will look good. 7.5% is bad.
Yea. Thats the APR that I been seeing here in So-Cal, thats why I Refuse to purchase a Scat Pack Atleast not yet, if I can't find a good deal by summer time. I'm just going to get a Mazda Cx-5, O% apr or close to it. I have great credit, I also watch my money 🤷🏽♂️.
@@hardwork454 no, I am not just comparing it to the high rates of the '70s and '80s. 7.5% interest financing is a bit high, but just a bit high over long term averages. You my friend are comparing interest rates to the very rare 15-20 years we had of well below average rates. The truth is in the middle, around 7.5%.
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I was at Brondes Ford in Toledo Ohio Sunday.
Brand New Explorer
61 K and 41 K.
Ford Bronco for 66K.
I drove off the lot saying I will keep my
2017 Acura . My Mortgage payments were $1,025.00 that includes property taxes and home owners Insurance.
Don't spend $1,000.00 per month on a depreciating asset.
Let them sit on the lot and collect dust.
Every car lot around toledo seems expensive. Yark is stupid expensive. But yeah I agree brondes in both toledo and Maumee are rip offs
I walked over to the sales side of my CDJR dealership when I had the Jeep in for new brake rotors & pads last week. The show room was packed to the walls with Jeeps, Chargers, Challengers and Durangos - - the lot looked just like the one Racer X showed. I walked around for 10 minutes reading prices and not one salesperson asked me if they could help me. I asked if they had a Hornet I could look at and the guy pointed to the lot (it was 23 F with a 10 mph wind). I said aren't they locked? He said yes and looked immediately back to his computer screen never offered to help -- I was taking up too much of his time I guess. They can all get chucked as far as I'm concerned. Until the last month or so I was thinking I might replace my 5th Jeep GC with a Hornet GLH maybe? Now it looks like 65 years of driving Plymouth, Chrysler, Dodge and Jeeps ends in 2025. Stellantis go play with yourselves. I think they are purposely killing the off the old MoPar to slim down?
Three words... Banks stopped lending!
But not these three words : "Dementia Joe's fault" ?
The banks are smarter than the consumers
The banks are lending fine, just need good credit which is not hard to do.
Higher interest rates have eliminated people who could get approved on auto loans before but really could not afford the cars. For example, if one can afford a car with a 3% loan but not a 7% loan the bottom line is the person really can't afford the car in the first place.
@@BetterDeadThanRed_Reject1984 curious, did you say that in the eight years of Obama/Biden when interest rates were low and the economic policies of the presidents were basically the same? Did you rail against Ronald Reagan when interest rates were pushing 15%? Just curious?
BTW, the excess inventory is to be expected as they have about a yr before the new Ram, Charger are build, so dealers need something to sell...but the old stock will need discounts.
Happy to hear it what did they think would happen
I bought a 2015 scat shaker just like the one green one you showed for 45 new they are out of their minds 30 thousand more for the exact same car
Plain and simple overpriced. Also, since they basically killed the brand, there are repercussions.
Hometown motors has one Hornet in stock. It is up to the sales manager to decide how many vehicles to order. Some order too many, some order too few. What is your point?
I jumped ship and went to a 2024 Kia Forte GT2. Rag on Kia all you want, but the newer models are actually of great quality and awesome reliability. Couldn't care less for speed anymore as I've gotten older and other things take a higher priority. I won't lie and say I don't miss the V8 sound from the numerous V8's I've owned, but I can admire it from other owners on the road.
Awesome reliability? Says who? Stay away from Kia Hyundai. Buy honda or toyota people
Out of the frying pan...
I leased my 2017 hellcat challenger for $650/month sign and drive. Those days are long gone.
Lease. Lol.
@@BryceCzirr-jz7juhe shoulda bought it outright?
@@Dako6969 He should have bought a used car. Leasing is throwing money away.
Forget Chargers and Challengers Racer. As we move into 2025, it would seem that the Dodge brand is legitimately in trouble. Given that the Hemi is gone, unless they offer models that the Hurricane engine make appealing, the rest of their lineup is absolutely not in demand. It’s sad. We could be seeing the beginning of the end for Dodge in the US.
I think brands like dodge and ford will fall off in the near future
Yep, Dodge might not exist in a few years. The new Challenger is really a global EV platform.
It’s a crappy sounding 6 cylinder. 😀
@tigerhoods7927 Why Ford when they have adapted to the market and offer electric options while promising to keep the v8 options.
@Donking508 Ford cars are junk the way Chrysler were junk back in the 80s and 90s everyday ordinary types of working people are starting to say Fords are junk cars
I’m in Phoenix. Up until a couple of weeks ago every dealer in down was charging a $5-10k “market adjustment” on cars that were sitting on the lot for months
This whole scenario reminds me of Pontiac 2008-2010. Banking risk management cut back lending due to the housing bubble back then much like they are cutting back due to the repo crisis and upside down buyer crisis going on right now. Similar to current Dodge.... Pontiac's G8,GTO,GrandPrix etc... were marketed to younger enthusiasts. Their buyer demographic was highly dependent on financing w/ minimal $$$ down. This is what happens when the ability to get financed dries up for lower tier credit scores.
I drove past a very small “local” CRDJ dealer in rural WV and I kid you not they probably had 30 chargers/challengers and like 10 hornets on the lot, whereas they never had more than a few before now. What’s less amusing is that my ‘22 WBSP charger has lost $20K in value in just 16 month of ownership according to KBB and Credit Karma. If I “wanted to” trade up to a Hellcat the best I could hope for is that they would give me a $5K price cut on the new car for being that far upside down on my loan. This is crazy!
I got my 2021 limited midnight Ram 1500 loaded with HUD...right before it all went nuts I got 12 or 14k I'd have to look OFF sticker not added...my wife wanted a new car and I fought her tooth and nail...fckn Kia with market hell naw....
Apparently they think someone who works part time at the local Dollar General can afford a $53,000 Charger R/T.
No one wants a wrangler anymore; they screwed Wrangler by putting a Renegade grille on it. It looks silly. Glad I got a 22 model. Stellantis did this on purpose. They never put a Hemi in the Gladiator, so that killed it. Glad you put the truth out there Racer-x. Have a good one Chuck
Hang on lemme pick up this name you dropped....
PAYING FOR THE HIGH COST OF FOOD, SHELTER, INSURANCE, GAS AND YOUR UTILITIES BILLS VS BUYING A BRAND NEW OVER PRICED VEHICLE WITH HIGH INTEREST RATES.... HMMM ....THAT IS A TOUGH ONE.
I recd $17K off sticker last week on a Jeep Gladiator. Down from $62K to $45K. Brand new 2023. High Altitude. Overland. Saw several out on dealers sites w these discounts but not all. You have to look for it and also potentially go to a dealership further away to get color combo and or packages you want.
What up X! I’ve honestly given up on Ram Trucks. I’ve had ram trucks in my family for 20+ years. They just keep getting too damn expensive for what they’re worth. So I bought a Chevrolet! Colorado zr2
I understand buddy.. things have gone crazy it seems
@RacerX9
I took my charger redeye today for its first oil change at garber dodge in florida.
In talking to the sales manager they are struggling to sale cars as well.
While I was there twice 3 to 4 people came in trying to find a challenger or charger redeye. I checked 3 of the 4 dodge dealership in my area tons of standard hellcats. Not one redeye 😢
demon 170 and redeye only thing selling with very limited supply
Modern muscle hasn't been affordable for the middle class for a long time....
Unless one really needs a heavier duty truck, the Ford Maverick can be priced cheaply and will handle 98% of the jobs that the average American uses a pick up for. There is a whole world outside the US that gets their jobs done with smaller trucks.
@@barco581no one even uses a truck for truck things. Some do but majority nope.
So true, was looking at new Challengers last night and bought a new Mustang this morning. 3.9 intrest rate
It's like to look for coffee and getting a tea. Congrats for new Mustang though.
Good for you Dave. Tired of all this whining about Dodge/Stellantis. Companies can make their own decisions, and if buyers want a V8 go buy a Mustang! Great car, and Ford is committed to the V8 for the foreseeable future.
$120,000 Jeep Wagoneer L's that seat 8, and 1 mom in it driving around getting 10mpg
I just purchased a new Jeep Gladiator Sport S fully loaded with extra goodies for $42k out the door!! Very happy 👍🏻
I'd love to have a new Challenger Scat pack Wide body shaker. But not paying the high $$$. I will wait till the right time comes.
I give you a PRIME EXAMPLE of why FCA is in trouble financially.
In 2007, Chrysler offered a LIFETIME warranty on their products sold after June 2007. I bought a Jeep Liberty, still own it in 2024 because of that warranty. In October 2022 (15 months ago), the transmission went out, took it to the dealer, the estimate was between 9 and 11k as it needed Transmission, cooler, convertor and front and rear drive shafts.
I offered to take the 9-11K trade in on a new Jeep and they could get the liability off the road. THEY DECLINED, instead did all the work and I paid not a single cent. January 30 2024, transmission went again, this time 7,900 (trans, cooler and convertor), I picked it up a week ago, another new transmission installed, cost me nothing. My jeep currently has a book value of 2300 dollars. FCA dumped 16 grand into it in 15 months. Get that, they could have sold me a new jeep at a discount, and disposed of the liability, instead decided to keep the liability.........now I have a connecting rod bearing singing. The jeep I offered to buy was a cheap 38k budget special, NOW if they have to install a long block, they will be well over 25 grand into my 2300 dollar jeep, when they could have simply sold me a new one at discount. HOWS THAT FOR FCA STUPIDITY?
Who else has attended their 5 year inspections and kept their lifetime warranty active? Im now two transmissions, two convertors, two coolers, two driveshafts, one half shaft and three water pumps into the lifetime warranty. One deck, a new long block! NOW, ILL NEVER GET RID OF THIS JEEP!!!
Greed will kill the brand. All the bad press about killing the hemi and going EV is also making people look elsewhere.
I am starting to see a lot of new Ford Mustang GT on the road they are nice, Corvettes and Camaros. If someone wants a Dodge Charger or Challenger go Pre-Owned save thousands.
@@MrT-nh6di yeah, I agree. I bought both my RT and my hellcat pre-owned and they've both been fantastic.
Im in Arkansas and just left Florida (south and central FLA) in all locations Dodge dealers are jammed full of inventory, overflowing. I drive by Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Chevy...all have normal stock on site, some even a bit low.
Dodge charging “used, once a month driven, professionally detailed every week” Porsche money for a hellcat that spent its life off-roading pinned off the rev limiter catching air over speed bumps as a car rental that went through commercial car washes every other day.
Most of the dealers here in the DFW area are discounting Challenger R/Ts around $10,000, Scats around $8,000... and they have a LOT of inventory. Now's the time to get a Challenger if you ever wanted one.
With excellent credit and 10k down....you're still looking at $850-$1200 on average monthly payments for many dodge models. I do pretty good for myself, but I can't justify paying that. Not losing a second of sleep over it either.
They lost their mind…no major changes in the platform since 2015… 2015 msrp for rt was 31k and they had incentives. Now in 23 rt challenger is 42k. A 40 percent increase without doing anything…
I feel the same way. I could've got a scat new 2 years ago for 40k now they want 55+
Saw an ad on Facebook where a dealership in California was offering 23 Challenger RTs for 30% or more off MSRP.
15:00 exactly this! If I look up the Stellantis dealers in my city, their cheapest new car is a compass at 44k Canadian, when looking at desirable brands like Honda, or Toyota, their cheapest new car is $28k Canadian like a Fit, Civic, or Corolla.
Man I’m glad I got a steal on my 2017 Camaro 2SS at the very beginning of the pandemic in 2020. Most people weren’t spending with the economic uncertainty at that time and I got mine used for $30K, minus a $5K trade in.
SS Camaro is a nice car. Fella i work with has a ZLE. It's a monster
Plandemic* 😉
Scamdemic
Dodge is pricing like they are BMW/Audi. And for that price I'm going German every time
fwiw, we traded in a 2021 X3 for a Jeep GC because the X3 was just a basketcase of module faults and error codes that the dealer couldn't even diagnose without calling Germany for permission. The GC has its share of tech annoyances, but it's been far more reliable than the X3 so far. (and the Jeep dealer doesn't try to charge $120 for a damn tire rotation)
@GrandMoffJoseph I can understand that. Tbh I am not sure why I put BMW instead of Mercedes. BMW makes some incredible cars but they do seem unreliable and they nickel and dime worse than any company
It's like that here in Mississippi a lot of inventory just sitting around no one buying
I’ve been looking to replace my Scat Pack here in the North West but the inventory is the opposite. Seattle has 2 Challengers. One is the 170 with a $200,000 mark up. The other is a GT. Tacoma is the same. No midrange choices. Looks like I should travel to Florida
Dodges appeal has always been price for what you got. I have had (and still have) many dodge/Jeep/ram vehicles. They jacked the price up so much that they have priced themselves out of the market. Cars like Hellcats are a 2nd vehicle for many people. With inflated prices and crazy markups it’s just not attainable for the average person. I would love one right now, but I can’t justify the cost.
In addition, those of us who have purchased vehicles in the last couple of years have paid way too much for them that theres no fun money left over. Dealers and manufacturers did this to themselves. I would love another Wrangler. The last loaded Rubicon I purchased in 2018 was 42K. You can’t even get a Willys for 42K now. Sad days we live in.