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BMW e46 M3 Ohlins Coilovers review - was it worth £2,000+??
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2021
- In this episode of project e46 M3 you join me out in the car with the newly installed Ohlins DFV coilovers.. was it worth the outlay, we find out!
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I really appreciate your honest review on these Ohlins. Coilovers are definitely on my short list of things that I need to do, and currently I'm leaning toward the Fortune set, so this is a very interesting take. As for the SMG, I have the Frank Smith CSL tune on mine, and I absolutely love it. Rev matching on the down shifts is absolutely spot on!
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Hoping to report back with some adjustments that will improve the handling 😬
Agree, the CSL software is a must for any normal M3 SMG - night and day difference 👌
Great honest review mate. Just some food for thought maybe it’s worth raising the fronts back to standard ride hight, 10m might not seem much but i think with the ohlins it allows the damper to work more as it should, from extensive hours of research with the ohlins kit It seem the don’t take to kindly to being dropped even by as much as 10m. Also I know it seems counter intuitive but slack of the dampers a touch, it will allow the tyers contact patch to rebound more controlled and less harsh. Would be interesting a part 2 when you have played with it? 👍
Yea I will try the damping as that may have been a big factor especially as our UK roads are always a nightmare!
I’m sure it said in the Ohlins manual I had 10mm tolerance to play with (the adjustment threads would allow me to drop another 10mm+ so would have thought if it wasn’t designed to be adjusted they wouldn’t have put the threads on there 🤷♂️
Need to get it properly set up and try again 👍
I’ve got the ohlins, had them for 5 years. I fitted them after trying koni yellows and new standard. After getting the ohlins set up at centre gravity. It made a difference and then changing to Michelin from Bridgestone and going back to original 18s even better. It’s so much better than standard, it’s doesn’t pogo and bobble. Body control and damping are suberb. You need adjustable camber arms on the back. I’ve got mine set up midway as the roads are shite and I daily it. On track there’s still a bit of roll but I’ve not upgraded the anti roll bars because it’s used mainly on road. I like you thought of kws with variable reviews and nothing but praise for the ohlins. Yes it’s a lot of money but so is a carbon air box or a big brake kit. I’ve got the common six pot 135 upgrade with Porsche 996 4 pots on the back, csl discs, braided lines. That wasn’t a cheap upgrade but worth it. Putting them all together and it transforms the car for £6k which is a lot more money. Think in need an
S85 in it. 💰😳😂
Well she’s all set up now and much better so hopefully over the next few months they will win me over 👍
I have been very tempted to purchase a set of Apex ARC-8 18’s and run some 4S tyres when the correct widths become available 😎
A V10 in the e46 would be awesome, love watching Drift works channel for that reason alone 🤑
Love the content mate, especially with the older M stuff, totally need to do a unedited Pov drive to capture the sound of that carbon intake. Appreciate your honesty in your videos its very refreshing
Thanks mate, a POV has been on the cards for some time - watch this space 😬
What’s next for the car then? A carbon roof would be cool to get rid of the heavy sunroof + csl theme
Interior next, carbon roof is certainly on the cards at some stage but big further outlay 😅
If keeping as road car, sunroof for the win 😎
I don’t get the obsession with deleting the sunroof on these cars. The sunroof opened with the tilted option makes the car look way more aggressive.
Glad to see a decent review on the Ohlins R&T. I've got a convertible and initially thought the Ohlins might be overkill and a waste, as in 'unusable performance'. I am so glad in my decision, as they completely transformed the car. I feel the road, have so much confidence in cornering ability and traction, and generally they've put me more in touch with the the M3.
In and around London all dampers are on fully soft (20 clicks from fully firm), simply because the roads are shite. Out of town, I set the damping to -12 from 20. I am yet to take it to a track where I'd experiment further. On -12, the rear does tend to skip on crap surfaces. (I'm running PS4S' at 36psi. The wear on them is absolutely even across the width of the tyre). I used original BMW front top mounts and new rogue engineering mounts and RTAB's on the rear, with strut tower reinforcement plates on both. Height wise - the top of the arches are level with the top of the tyre walls f&r which gives the car a beautiful rake.
A question I have for others is - did you keep original front sway bar end links or did you upgrade to adjustable ones?
Hope this info has been useful ✌🏽
Glad you enjoyed the review 👍
Yea gonna try adjusting the dampers much softer, just clicked them to 13 so will give that a go and see how I get on.
Standard drop links worked fine on mine with the Turner motorsport anti roll bars 👍
I did consider going with Ohlins my self but after having AC Schnitzer suspension on cars in the past I decided to go with Schnitzer RS coilovers which are a bit more expensive than Ohlins and I'm very very happy with them, they strike a great balance between compliance and handling.
I’m holding out that the Ohlins will deliver once set up 😅
I'm sure they will deliver when they've been dialled in properly, I've also got the Schnitzer rs coilovers on my 1M and they took a little bit more tweaking to get them how I wanted them.
The outstanding thing with the Schnitzer setup is just how well they handle a bumpy b road, they are just so compliant and controlled but at the same time have a firm feeling but never harsh with great ride comfort, they weren't cheap but they definitely hit that sweet spot.
@@mrmjb9373 that’s what I was hoping for from the Ohlins - very capable a/b road blaster, I will get them properly set up and report back 👍
In my experience, I think time and adjusting the settings to your preference will make them better.
I hope so Mike 👍
It easy to adjust the front dampers. Just turn fully in either directions and u reach them fine without lifting the car.
Agree, had a go this morning and was straight forward 😅
Quality as always 🤙🏽
Thanks Craig 👍
Great, informative content as always, wondering if you’d ever go for a charger, if so would it be on the E46 or E92...
Thanks Rob and glad you enjoyed 👍
I will hopefully reviewing my friends supercharged e92 M3 very soon - we’ve had a few set backs with everything go on but it will almost certainly be this summer 😬
For me I love the NA balance of the M3 (e46 and e92) so doesn’t interest me charging them especially for the cost + headache as they don’t appear to be fit and forget from the owners I’ve spoken too
@@stoneautomotive ⁷
Fantastic review and love your honesty after spending that kind of money, I also think when 100% set up and it settles in when you get to a track this is where the margins would be really noticed between a kit of that quality and say someone lower down the price range, on the road I’m not sure how much anyone would really notice, and with your car already well sorted it’s probably slightly incremental the improvement.
Thanks mate & glad you enjoyed 👍
This is it, maybe some further adjustment or track time will see the full benefits (hopefully 😅)
Hi James,
Great video - I’m sure you’ll sort out the Ohlin set up, but think you should have gone for the KWV3’s. They’re so tried and tested by M3Cutters owners.
Got them on my E46 CS and think they’re superb for fast road use 👍🏼
Thanks Barry 👍
Don’t, spent a small fortune now 😅 hoping softer damper settings will improve the handling
Kwv3s are great 👍.. but too much adjustment options can be a headache and mind game for some .I think he’ll find what he needs in the Ohlins.. they are top notch units when set softer (I run em on my stripped out evo x ) and set softer they really work great on the road 👍👍
Such a pretty car. It really highlights how far BMW have fallen with the latest monstrosities they’re churning out.
You can never get bored of that induction noise.
It’s probably a mission from you, but I can highly recommend Centre Gravity. Very well known in Porsche circles but they do a lot on BMW’s too.
Thanks Sam, certainly still makes me smile when I look at or hear it 😬
Thanks for the suggestion, I’ve dropped them a message 👍 not local but if it means getting it perfect then so be it
@@stoneautomotive they’re really bloody good at what they do so could be worth a trip. It’s not cheap, but they have custom travelling a long way for their services. They did a cracking job on my car after a couple of not very good alignments.
Nice vid mate. Be good to see if the rear sketchiness goes away after a geo 👍
Thanks 👍
Fingers crossed, I shall keep you all updated as soon as it’s been properly set up 😬
Great video as always I reckon you probably need adjustable top mounts to dial them in.
I'm just waiting to collect mine after a geo set up so will be interesting to see how they fair against the v3s they replaced.
Thanks 👍
Hopefully getting the car properly set up will improve things
Been waiting for this almost as long as you waited for the kit !
Admire your honesty about the set up , considering the outlay. It's certainly a kit I personally cannot justify buying , and this video kind of made me feel happy with my standardish set up. The kit itself looked amazing - especially laid out on the carpet lol
Car itself is beautiful , sits nice and sounds the business. Front seats look the part too. Another great video mate 👍
Cheers Steve, you and me both wanted it to be amazing 😅
We shall see how I get on with some further adjustments 👍
@@stoneautomotive as did I, want it to be amazing that is. Might just settle for lowering springs on mine and get an airbox instead. Really want you to get an airbox on the E92
The carbon airbox is awesome, I keep finding myself look at the e92 M3 Karbonius one 👀
Interesting.
I do think psychology plays in a lot on us, I swapped my simple Eibach Pro springs for KWV3 on my Z4M Coupe. If you ask on any forum, you’d hear the difference will be astronomical..
Which made me expect much more than I actually got! Sure, it rides better in soft settings and I can turn them up for trackdays. But really for general driving it is NOT astronomical...
100% agree the mind can be a nightmare for for that 😅 hopefully the damping changes will improve the ride - will report back soon
Excellent, looking forward to this!
Really interesting! I just did a suspension freshen up on mine, similar miles. Went eibach springs with new Sachs, came away blown away by the difference. From others I have spoken with they have similar opinion on coilovers they only really feel the benefit on track. Beautiful kit, great car, keep the videos coming 💪
Thanks & sorry for the late reply 😅
I'm surprised with your thoughts on the Ohlins. I put them on my E46 about a month ago and was blown away by the difference. I also had Eibachs on OG dampers which felt fine.
I have polys all around on mine, Millway top mounts & PS4S'. Ive had it corner weighted and a fairly agressive alignment for the road. (2.5 Degrees Camber on the rear and 3 on the front)
Not telling you how to suck eggs at all but maybe if you have it corner weighting and have a play with the damping it may improve?
As you say though it could just be the case of differing perspectives.
Watching this though a carbon airbox is definetly next on my mod list. Sounds awesome. 👍
* Also I have 10 clicks from hard on the front and 12 on the rear.
As you mention and others it’s likely I have the damping to hard especially for UK roads, I’ve adjusted them today so shall see how I get on 👍
The airbox sounds wonderful, had a few ask for a POV video of it 😬
Nice, I 've been patiently waiting for your opinion on the R&T's. Truly admire your honesty, I mean wow, beautifully made of course(haha only a little envious), I just couldn't justify it and bought new Sachs and Eibachs. But had I gone coilovers, it would always have been Ohlins. Not saying it's truth, but did read on cutters an Ohlins guy took off his stiffer front ARB, and posted that it made the car handle better. That might make sense as the R&D guys in Sweden must've developed them for a 'fairly' standard M3. But hey, I might be totally wrong, and so might the cutters guy.
Lovely work James, I'm sure you'll dial it in eventually, and feel the investment was worth it, but presently, respect your honesty
Thanks David, I’m hoping the softer damper settings will improve it (I will get this sorted 😅)
Really appreciated the input from everyone, as you say it could be the combination of uprated anti-roll bars causing the issue as it’s something that crossed my mind yesterday 🤔
to try and qualify that, I believe what the guy meant, was that in order to enjoy that quality oily plushness of ohlins, (especially on road), he must have felt the softer ARB helped acheive that balance. Again, I might be waay under qualified to interpret that correctly ☺
I had a similar feeling after getting the R&T kit installed, but it only makes sense once you're pushing on or on a track. If you want to be blown away, fit a solid steering coupler 👍
Hopefully being properly set up will improve things 👍
Yep already fitted the sold coupler, was done when I had the purple tag steering rack fitted a few years back 👍
@@stoneautomotive what alignment settings are you going for? Is it worthwhile going for CSL settings?
@@howarddavies136 the front is running CSL geo, as the rears needs the camber arms fitting & new bolts before it could be set up correctly - all coming in part 2 hopefully very soon 👍
I put BC coilovers on mine from standard suspension and the Improvement was mega..goes without saying that proper adjustable suspension improves handling no end
It’s certainly an improvement over stock no doubt, I was just hoping for more of a noticeable difference after the outlay 😅
Sad to hear that you arent happy straight away. but i think you would see the benefit of the coilovers on the track (nürburgring). im sure you will notice that that car has a way better connection to the road as with the stock suspension. you would really need to go at unsave speeds on the road to feel the full potential of the suspension. changing to a CUP2 tyre would also make your car drive much sharper and make a huge difference on the performance. they are a bit stiffer on the sidewall which makes you "feel" the suspension even more. im using the KW comp. suspension with 265 CUP2 all arround and on the road the car feels "normal" too, no real WOW moment there but on track it really comes alive ;)
I’m hoping as others have mentioned that the damping is simply too stiff and softening it will improve the handling 👍
Would love a set of Cup 2’s but worry with euro trips and potentially getting caught in the rain it could be a disaster waiting to happen loo
@@stoneautomotive in Germany we ofc have alot of rain too and i can Tell you that the Cup2 is really save to drive Even in Full rain up to Even 150 km/h. It sure has alot less grip than a ps4s but it is still save to drive. Just make sure to grab the normal CUP2 in your 19 inch size. Dont go for a specific Cup2 (like the Mercedes one) because they offer better dry performance but ofc less grip in the wet. Cup2 is Not Cup2 in this case. Dont know what Michelin is thinking but there are even more extreme versions of the cup2 (corvette version) and they all are named cup2.
@@CP2gadga4g34 good to know, thought a Cup 2 would be same across the board - you learn something new everyday 😅
I will have a play this week with the damping, really hoping it’s something simple like me setting the damping to hard
Sounds bloody mega!!!!!
Thanks mate 😎
Looks lovely mate. I guess each to there own. Did the ARB's give a good transformation without the coilovers? Got mine booked in for the Bilstein PSS10's tomorrow and was tempted to get some ARB'S while it's opened up. Plan to track it 2/3 times a year. All the best!
Thanks 👍
Yes I really rated the Turner motorsport anti roll bars with standard dampers/ Eibach springs - hoping softer damper settings will improve the handling going from the others comments
How did you get on with the PSS10's
Great video mate 👌
Thanks 👍
Proper tires will determine the capability of the suspension.
Agree, nothing to report change wise since fitting brand new Michelin 4S tyres 😅
I have Ohlins.. JUST DIAL THEM BACK !!!! .... they will be much nicer set softer 👍👍👍.
Most have suggested I try this 😅
@@stoneautomotive I’m new to your channel.. but have now subscribed 👍. Trust me set them dampers up correctly and you’ll be laughing mate 👍... every car I get .. the first thing I do .. is rollbars and a decent set of coilover’s .. something that can also work in road like the Ohlins, bilstein pss10s or similar 👍... I find you need to spend 2k at least really .. the cheaper stuff ain’t worth doing in my view ...once dialed in .. they can be both comfier and have more control .. win win 👍.. you feel those upgrades every inch you drive .. unlike power mods .. which are great to have .. but you don’t feel em like you do a good chassis upgrade 👍. I’ll be watching your content from now on bud 👍.. good luck 👍
@@MIAMI-CASUAL thanks mate, hoping I can get this sorted to handle like it’s on rails 😬
Cheers for the subscribe, plenty more to come from the M3 😎
Afm in Ipswich can corner weight and have a hunter alignment they do race cars.
Sadly abit of journey for me for geo, think we are sorted for getting it set up now so stay tuned 😬
Cute car, I'm thinking of installing these on the mk6 golf tdi, what is the range of ride height adjustability, my guy?
Thanks, can’t say I’ve ever had some one call it cute before 😅
On the e46 there’s plenty of adjustment for me, I could easily drop the car another 10mm on the front & 20mm plus on the rear but ultimately Ohlins is about optimum handing so if your simply looking to “slam” the car and have it riding on the floor it’s probably not worth paying the premium for the kit
@@stoneautomotive No, I'm just wondering about the range, ie 6 inches, I live in "snow country" and these would be a nice investment. Cheers.
@@living4adrenaline I see - maybe worth dropping Ohlins an email 👍
At what speed would you honestly be able to notice difference with the ohlins?
Hi Rich, it’s not so much the speed you start to notice the Ohlins work but more so when really pushing the chassis to the limit - hard to explain! I’ve been on a few drives out in the country side now since making this video driving on the limit of my ability and it is driving really well but think I will need to get it on track to really say for sure
The reason I ask is I just watched a video where an owner of a stock e46 drove a friends e46 which had those same coilivers and was going maybe 30mph and was ranting and raving just how much better the ohlins felt and that he could notice a considerable difference from his e46. I wanted to call bu11$hit because how can someone only going 30mph try to say what a huge difference?
@@OGspecd I think you hit the nail on the head Rich, the standard suspension especially combined with uprated springs is a decent set up for the road so find it hard to say you would notice the difference at such low speeds unless the standard dampers were heavily worn.. the problem I see with a lot of RUclipsrs is they try to be positive about everything just to get the likes.. I’ve always tried to be as honest as possible and received criticism for it 🤷♂️ if you read the comments on this video you will see a few have had a similar experience - believe me after the outlay I wanted to be blown away 😅
So what is the verdict, I have a 135 a BMW 2011 and I’m looking to purchase the road and track suspension kit,, I live in Toronto Canada and the roads are horrible after a long Winters of the roads heaving and creating potholes from the cold weather….Looking for a sporty but yet comfortable suspension, thank you in advance
Hi Andre,
The verdict is there a brilliant piece of kit for the road, the issue I have is are they £2,200 good.
If they were a £1,000 I would have said there by far the best to go for, I’ve booked a track day in April so hopefully that will be the final decider on if they were worth the outlay 👍
They certainly work well on the UK roads (sounds like we both have pretty poor road surfaces) but I think improved comfort will be switching to an 18” wheel with more side wall
@@stoneautomotive thank for the feedback brother….I will await your on track review☝️🙏🏾
Bro, wack an Eaton true trac diff centre in and it will improve cornering and acceleration dramatically
Already upgraded the diff to the Version 2 from the Z4M with the additional friction plate - think decent 18” tyres and wheels shall be next 😬
Imo stiffer arb is not a good solution for uk roads
It worked really well on the Eibach springs/ stock dampers.
I’ve softened the damping now which has helped a lot since the review 👍
I simply don’t get it - why spend all that money on the best suspension on the market and not get a pro to install and align???
Watch the next video 😅