Fords coming out with the Bronco and it will be a great offroader, and the Chevy Blazer`s a front biased piece of crap, and i like Chevy,,,,i just dont like the Blazer.
@@foxwithshades7080 the blazer should had been a retro convertible that offers a 2door & 4door option and that has rock crawling capabilitie. In South America the blazer is a regular SUV version of the colorado.
Wealthy soccer moms are going to love these things! It should easily be able to get a herd of children to practice on time in any weather! Plus, the top side of the bash plate on the Tahoe really looks metal-ish! Thanks guys, long time watcher. Keep it up!
Too bad this architecture is barely adequate for the class 2a(6001-8500lbs) duty. That lower load floor does not allow for a live axle. So no class 2b(8501-10000lbs) for you
The interior looks phenomenal hope they do something similar to the Silverado, but I hope GM sticks with the column shifter on the Silverado rather than putting those push/pull buttons
@@RedWingsninetyone yes, you're correct. We know for certain the TRX will come with a console shifter. I can't see Ram developing that costly piece just for the TRX.
I love your videos guys - keep them coming ! I have this Z71 Tahoe (even down to the color, WITHOUT air suspension and rear entertainment screens). Bought in Sept 2020 when they first came out. My Z71 off the lot was $64,150 (significantly less than the $76K). 23K miles with some decent towing and I am very happy with the truck.
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv yes it would. Assuming the percentage gained in mileage is greater than the percentage gain in fuel cost. However, a more costly diesel engine would need to be factored in.
@@chriseaton2730 The 3.0 is only $1500 more than the 6.2, it gets around 8MPG better combined compared to the 5.3 and 10 better than the 6.2. You also don't need premium like you do in the 6.2 which is more than diesel anyways. Nowhere near as fast or powerful for sure, but very efficient and smooth.
@@heavytrucks5237 I've got 3 at work now as fleet trucks for local deliveries. None of them get worked all that hard as they just carry small stuff in the bed, but all 3 have been trouble free so far and getting very good mileage. My drivers like that they only have to stop once a week usually for fuel.
I bought a 2020 gmc 1500 diesel and installed the auto start/stop eliminator immediately. That cable is the cats meow. A must have! If you think you will just hit the button every time you start you vehicle good luck with that.
I have driven Suburban's since 1986. Most had big blocks and were 3/4 ton. I am disappointed that every new version gets more car like. Thanks for the over view.
@@jashmodi The 5.3 v-8 in my 2016 is OK but I have more trouble with this one than all my others put together. At first oil change they replaced a cylinder head. At 30,000 miles they put a new crate engine in. I have also replaced the battery and starter. This truck/car will be 4 years old this November and has less than 60,000 miles.
Someone apparently doesn't know how business works. A 3x multiple on manufacturing costs would be on the low side. A lot of the stuff you buy is closer to 10x or more.
@@davidleeosbourne2727 ok what kind of problems I think with all money saving they try to do cut corners Shocks, seat heaters condensers radiators body mouldings falling off transmission problems you can look this up that's just a few of the things from the Chevrolet 2015-2020 model very poor quality
Nathan, Andre Great comprehensive comparison you guys are my go to. I’ll be interested to see the hula girl test on that new independent rear suspension with the air bags to see if it’s better ride wise than the solid rear axle on the previous gen. I’m really interested in what the towing MPG’s will be on one with the diesel. I’d like to pick up the Tahoe with the diesel to do some cross country RV’ing. Im gathering that the Non Z71 should get better MPG’s due to aerodynamics and tires. 8200LBS is ok for towing capacity in the Tahoe but disappointing compared to the expedition’s 9300LBS.
I loved this video very much. It reminds me of old TFL videos, before TFL became too corporate. This was fun yet extremely (I am not kidding) informative. I appreciated the measuring tape, and the human trunk test, even the occasional André accent imitation, all in good taste. Great video guys. Miss not seeing you as much as before. Is Nathan still a Steelers’ fan?
Two things: I wish suspension travel was a spec that you talked about on every vehicle. It's such a defining factor. Can you do a rough road comparison with the old one? This new one should be faster while being safer and more comfortable.
20:58 after just 5 years it will depreciate more than half, that’s insane. Buy a ‘Vette if you’re gonna spend that much. Google 2016 Suburban if you think I’m lying.
KL if you buy it used that’s one thing, but buying a truck for $80k that’s gonna be worth $10k in 10 years is financially irresponsible. Better off getting a Toyota or exotic car that won’t depreciate that much. Get a ‘Vette if you’re gonna spend that much on a GM.
Why is the lack of LED brake lights and rear turn signals a deal breaker when you're buying a mainstream full-size non-luxury BOF SUV? Many other new SUVs/CUVs and lower trim pickups use incandescent turn signals, yet those don't get bashed for the lack of LED turn signals just to look more "Modern"..? If you want rear LED turn signals, you're looking at a luxury branded vehicle, not a mainstream utility vehicle like the new Suburban and Tahoe.
Am i the only one hates those headlights???? Seems like i am not alone. Even they put the trailblazer's front on suburban my wife would consider the suburban over the toyota sequoia
The Blazers headlights are worse...for some reason Chevy designers thought that putting the Camaro front end (a vehicle they will no longer make) on every vehicle was a good idea.🤮
I seem to remember so much fuss being made about the Ford touch screen not being intergrated into the dash on the Explorer. Now Chevy does it on the Tahoe and Suburban and not a word. Also, I noticed the rear seat screens are hanging from the backseat like an ornament unlike the Expeditions that are intergrated into the seat. Lastly, I heard a lot of fuss about not buying an Expedition because of the turbo V6. Yet, the new trucks have air suspension, which cannot be bulletproof and is guaranteed to give problems before 100k miles.
The front has really grown on me. I didn't think I'd like it but it's really not that bad. Chevy has had the split lights in different styles for years.
Man, I don't know how you buy the last gen Tahoe/Suburban over this one when they're both on the lot. Even with thousands off these new ones are lightyears better. Also, AWESOME video TFL! I've been wondering what the side-by-side difference was in these.
No matter how much you profess that, it's subconsciously because your wife appreciates the family space. Dinner time and it's you're a sweetheart for not picking the better looking one. Suburbans are the comic book guy from the Simpsons in a 👕 whatever redesign
I got 33 pieces of sheet rock in my 2004 TahoeXL with 10ply tires at 75psi not a problem. I'll be looking at the diesel to see how it does and locking diffential. Let's see how the new suspension holds up.
I've had six Tahoes/Suburbans/Yukon Denali XLs over the past twelve years or so and I can't go without that extra space behind the third row. The Suburban's/Denali XL's extra length is a little bit more unwieldy in tight(er) parking spots but not enough to dismiss the idea of having one. When I take the Denali XL surf fishing with family on the New Jersey shore the extra room for gear is invaluable. Even at that I have a Thule cargo box up top to reduce clutter inside the vehicle.
I would like to see a mpg test. I drive a GMC Yukon which is rated 16-20 but I get better than that, I'd say 17-21 or 22. That 10 SPDR transmission makes a difference and In curious to see if mpg might be alittle better than what it is rated.
The Tahoe looks great but the suburban with all that space is so handy. I’ve had my suburban for twenty years and the only problem I’ve had with it was the fuel pump went out and there is a lose solder connection on the digital display causing it to blink off .
Dont know why they didn't mention it in this video but yeah there is going to be a duramax version for the tahoe and suburban. Its going to be a Duramax 3.0L inline 6 with its beautiful turbo installed. 277HP making I believe around 500 at the wheel. Unfortunately it's a late availability so it would take a little while to come out but it will be soon. Oh one last thing the Z71 version won't be having the duramax option for it but the others will.
Merritt Andrew Creager I agree with you, but be nice knowing your $75,000 rig can play at Moab. Like my F150 has “FX4 OFF ROAD” stickers but came with 20inch rims lmao
10:45 that reaction is worth a million bucks of advertising $ from Chevy. I just loved how Andrei who already knew how big the Suburban is and is still amazed in real life, priceless.10:4710:4710:47
I’m digging the suburban in that trim although I’d take a good ole traditional column shifter any day over these increasingly stupid push button style.
"Extra holes in the exhaust tips for more sound" you mean to cut more noise. You can clearly tell these suvs are tailored to a different crowd compared to the trucks just by the exhaust sound. The suvs are so much quieter.
Saw a Suburban Z71 in GMs Crimson Red...whew! Nice truck! I think GM killed it on the packaging. Definitely tops in the class now. Guess they got tired of hearing how awful it was in the rear quarters, despite still being #1 for years. My only wish was that GM gave the 6.2 more POWA to really make the extra $2500 worth it(it is worth it, but it would be easier to swallow). Maybe 3.5 EB H.O. level power. Other than that, it looks like GM has come to play and secure their dominance in this class.
I am glad somebody at GM came to their senses and got the rear cargo floor back down. My oldest one 2002 has as solid rear axle and a flat rear cargo floor? That’s one reason I still have it, the other is it’s a damn good vehicle.Oh 175m.😃
Second Amendment I was wondering also. Would eliminate the need to buy a diesel truck in addition to a family hauler. My guess with 5 people totaling 750 pounds the mpg would be about 19 mpg combined for Suburbans and 22 mpg combined for the Tahoe.
Payload and towing are limited by the axle size. I.S. front and rear, soft for a nice ride. Need a solid rear axle 2500 model back for real towing power. Same motors and trans in the pick-ups that have higher load and tow numbers.
The GM Truck/Suv should have the 2.7L IL4 with a 10spd 5.3L V8 with a 10spd 6.2L V8 with a 10spd 3.0L Duramax with a 10spd Acrossed the trim line up, no excuses for a company charging 50k-70k a vehicle.
Just bought a 2020 Suburban RST w/the 6.2 at a significant discount, glad I didn't wait for the '21. Not a fan of the styling at all. The only thing I would change about mine is the second and third row room. It would be nice if the second row moved like it does on the '21.
The price is absolutely ridiculous. In order to get the bigger engine you have to get high country and diesel has no availability yet. Wish more common trims/ configurations were being tested.
GM once made city buses, invented the diesel locomotive, made semi trucks, buses for Greyhound and invented the automatic transmission, starter , planned obsolescence, styling and colors other than black. The company made car lines for different incomes; Chevrolet for value, Pontiac for performance, Oldsmobile for business people, Buick primary for upper middle class and doctors and Cadillac for the rich people and GMC trucks and buses.
I seem to remember so much fuss being made about the Ford touch screen not being intergrated into the dash on the Explorer. Now Chevy does it on the Tahoe and Suburban and not a word. Also, I noticed the rear seat screens are hanging from the backseat like an ornament unlike the Expeditions that are intergrated into the seat. Lastly, I heard a lot of fuss about not buying an Expedition because of the turbo V6. Yet, these two new trucks have air suspension, which cannot be bulletproof and is guaranteed to give problems before 100k miles. Just saying guys
Ford goes to its customers for daily usage and design comments and suggestions, GM goes to its engineers. You can clearly see the difference in the direction both are going in their vehicles.
As some have mentioned already the Suburban really needs to be 3/4 ton (2500) whatever you want to call it because the payload is far too low for the way most people I know who buy these things use them. People who buy the Suburban usually do so because they actually need the people hauling and cargo space and they often tow a boat or some ATV's. Heck, the people I know who have Suburbans tow a lot more than anyone I know who isn't in the trades does with heir truck. Anyway, put a 4 to 6 thousand pound boat and trailer, RV or ATV's?PWC's and you're down to somewhere between 800 and 1000 pounds of payload left. Now put five to six people in there (some may argue they are kids but kids can weight a lot before they can drive their own car) and you may not have a pound of payload left for luggage and other needed gear. When you build an SUV this large it should have the capacity to be fully utilized. Sure, people will overload them and not think a thing about it but should it break while overloaded you can bet GM isn't going to warranty the thing. And should you have an accident while overloaded insurance might not cover you. Yep, I know, everyone says wet blanket, dude, until they're stuck paying the bill.
PLEASE test the difference rear axle ratio has on fuel economy. Do an unladen and towing MPG loop to see what kind of reduction in fuel economy a higher ratio has on two similar trucks. The EPA does not rate trucks with different axle ratios separately and it’s common knowledge that the higher the ratio number the worst fuel economy you’ll get but nobody can see exactly how much worse. I want to know when I buy next truck if it’s a significant difference.
@@darens440 the newer ones are known to have lifter failure. My denali needed a new long block at 30k miles changed the oil every 6k full syn. If thats the greatest engine ever.... Im out.
You guys shoot with the GH5 right? Have you looked into micro ISO adjustments mixed with proper frame rate and enabling synchro scan to try and avoid flickering and banding with vehicle lights and displays?
It's a car, not a down payment on a house. The car manufacturers will continue to lose out on rational American consumer money as long as they price like this. I hope the pandemic sees the car dealerships with full lots and low profits.
Lane departure and collision warning will drive you up the wall. I would request turning them off. Been using them at work for a few years now and hate them.
Actually fuel economy is worst than last year 6.2L 2020 vs 6.2L 2021 (-1 mpg hwy)... I guess at that price you can probably afford "refueling at home" services especially since they reduce the fuel tank capacity on both models... 3 gallons less for the Sub & XL and 2 gallons less for the Tahoe & Yukon. On a road trip without too much load they shorten the fuel range by about 80 miles.
Would love to have the high country suburban with the diesel and air suspension. The Banks Derringer will definitely wake 3.0 up more when it comes out.
Other than the rake on the windshield, they dont look bad. The suburban looks much better without the wheel arches cutting into the doors. Space is impressive. As far ad efficiency. What do you want. They are massive heavy machines with old style pushrod v8s. 18 n 16 mpg average is pretty good for 2 giant trucks
Some perspective from a 2007 Tahoe owner. Get the Suburban...LOL I purchased the Tahoe because I loved the looks, I think its proportions are nicer, sporty vs family truckster and didn't think we needed the larger vehicle. But ! With 2 kids and stuff it never seems big enough and forget about cargo with the third row, it's less than a sedan trunk. I do love the truck otherwise.
I dont see the MPGs ever getting much better than what they are. My 01 tahoe got around 20 on the highway with an earlier version of the 5.3l. It is what it is. A large vehicle with an old school pushrod V8 that are easy to work on and not too complicated. They are amazing. They could have a twin turbo v6 but that would just be more things to go wrong.
This is off topic but.... I think the blazer is a great and good looking vehicle but should have been a new gen equinox and then we could have gotten a proper blazer.
The 3.0L diesel sounds interesting. I've got a 91 6.2 Diesel Suburban and an 85 6.2 Diesel Suburban (Both N/A). It's been a long time since diesels were offered in the Suburbans, around 20 years or so? Of course, this has to do with the ridiculous way government classifies emissions. A suburban is classified as a "station wagon". Or at least it was, I'm not sure these days, but the reason still stands. That said, Duraburb does some cool stuff if you want a V8 Duramax.
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The Blazer should have just been a 2 door Tahoe...
I agree.
Fords coming out with the Bronco and it will be a great offroader, and the Chevy Blazer`s a front biased piece of crap, and i like Chevy,,,,i just dont like the Blazer.
GM dropped the ball with the Blazer.
@RobertL ,,,,Yeah, curious has to how much it will get MPG ? Its a heck of a lot better than the Blazer, IMO.
@mike a ,,,,The ZR2 needs a V-8
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That Tahoe looks like what the Blazer should have been.
But sadly the Blazer has been Europeanized.
Except make the wheel base shorter. But ya, the blazer is a cool SUV but it's not a blazer.
Blazer looks like all Suv bow sad. Seems like they all have that round ass now. Same look. I'm just glad they kept the Tahoe look
Unfortunately for the blazer! 🤣
@@foxwithshades7080 the blazer should had been a retro convertible that offers a 2door & 4door option and that has rock crawling capabilitie. In South America the blazer is a regular SUV version of the colorado.
Wealthy soccer moms are going to love these things! It should easily be able to get a herd of children to practice on time in any weather! Plus, the top side of the bash plate on the Tahoe really looks metal-ish!
Thanks guys, long time watcher. Keep it up!
They need to make 3/4 ton Suburban again with a diesel
You mean 2500 not a dule their 3500
Too bad this architecture is barely adequate for the class 2a(6001-8500lbs) duty. That lower load floor does not allow for a live axle. So no class 2b(8501-10000lbs) for you
That's called 2500 version. Besides I don't understand the 3/4 term, that has no sense.
El Gran Freezer it is old terminology. 3/4 and 2500 is the same thing. Google it.
I feel like I’m speaking Chinese. Do people not know what 3/4 ton means anymore
The interior looks phenomenal hope they do something similar to the Silverado, but I hope GM sticks with the column shifter on the Silverado rather than putting those push/pull buttons
No shifter columns. They need more plastic garbage to break. ;) Cannot sell more vehicles if they last. ;)
Definitely going pushbutton, unfortunately. I'll take Ram's dial over those switches.
The Silverados are getting the interior upgrades in 2022 or 23?
@@hellkitty1014 I've heard RAM is actually going away from the rotary shifter.
@@RedWingsninetyone yes, you're correct. We know for certain the TRX will come with a console shifter. I can't see Ram developing that costly piece just for the TRX.
I love your videos guys - keep them coming ! I have this Z71 Tahoe (even down to the color, WITHOUT air suspension and rear entertainment screens). Bought in Sept 2020 when they first came out. My Z71 off the lot was $64,150 (significantly less than the $76K). 23K miles with some decent towing and I am very happy with the truck.
Extremely excited to see your first ike gauntlet runs with the new Suburban and Tahoe!
I love how you can get these with the 3.0 Diesel, pretty unique to have a body on frame truck this large that still gets 30mpg.
Does 30 mpg offset the 30 cents more a gallon Diesel is compared to regular gas?
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv yes it would. Assuming the percentage gained in mileage is greater than the percentage gain in fuel cost. However, a more costly diesel engine would need to be factored in.
@@chriseaton2730 The 3.0 is only $1500 more than the 6.2, it gets around 8MPG better combined compared to the 5.3 and 10 better than the 6.2. You also don't need premium like you do in the 6.2 which is more than diesel anyways. Nowhere near as fast or powerful for sure, but very efficient and smooth.
The 3.0 Diesel is garbage. My brother had it and it would over heat by it self. He ended up giving back thanks to the lemon law.
@@heavytrucks5237 I've got 3 at work now as fleet trucks for local deliveries. None of them get worked all that hard as they just carry small stuff in the bed, but all 3 have been trouble free so far and getting very good mileage. My drivers like that they only have to stop once a week usually for fuel.
Glad to see Nathan back in front of the camera!
I kept my happy smile all the video, especially at 12:20. Great work guys !
Awesome Classic Review love Nathan and Andre, it's always a pleasure to hear you guys. 🍻😎🍻
I bought a 2020 gmc 1500 diesel and installed the auto start/stop eliminator immediately. That cable is the cats meow. A must have! If you think you will just hit the button every time you start you vehicle good luck with that.
soon those suv’s will be 100,000...definitely overpriced
Gotta love unions
Gotta love all the people that can still buy them.
@@ChicanoOne760 i dont begrudge anyone that can afford 80k for a vehicle. I wanna be there oneday as well
@@sketchyssk8shop 95% of the people that buy them can't afford them anyways? All on credit lol. That's not being able to afford it.
The Escalade version will certainly hit that 100k mark.
I have driven Suburban's since 1986. Most had big blocks and were 3/4 ton. I am disappointed that every new version gets more car like. Thanks for the over view.
Better than v6s though
@@jashmodi The 5.3 v-8 in my 2016 is OK but I have more trouble with this one than all my others put together. At first oil change they replaced a cylinder head. At 30,000 miles they put a new crate engine in. I have also replaced the battery and starter. This truck/car will be 4 years old this November and has less than 60,000 miles.
I wish automakers still made affordable SUVs and trucks
90,000 if you add taxes for junk that cost 25,000 to build
GM’s secret..dumbass buyers!
Someone apparently doesn't know how business works. A 3x multiple on manufacturing costs would be on the low side. A lot of the stuff you buy is closer to 10x or more.
Have you seen the prices for the ford expedition that's over priced junk right there
SDJR INC. my parents expedition gets lots of shop time. They waiting on these so they can get rid of Ford
@@davidleeosbourne2727 ok what kind of problems I think with all money saving they try to do cut corners Shocks, seat heaters condensers radiators body mouldings falling off transmission problems you can look this up that's just a few of the things from the Chevrolet 2015-2020 model very poor quality
Nathan, Andre Great comprehensive comparison you guys are my go to. I’ll be interested to see the hula girl test on that new independent rear suspension with the air bags to see if it’s better ride wise than the solid rear axle on the previous gen. I’m really interested in what the towing MPG’s will be on one with the diesel. I’d like to pick up the Tahoe with the diesel to do some cross country RV’ing. Im gathering that the Non Z71 should get better MPG’s due to aerodynamics and tires. 8200LBS is ok for towing capacity in the Tahoe but disappointing compared to the expedition’s 9300LBS.
I loved this video very much. It reminds me of old TFL videos, before TFL became too corporate. This was fun yet extremely (I am not kidding) informative. I appreciated the measuring tape, and the human trunk test, even the occasional André accent imitation, all in good taste. Great video guys. Miss not seeing you as much as before. Is Nathan still a Steelers’ fan?
Two things: I wish suspension travel was a spec that you talked about on every vehicle. It's such a defining factor.
Can you do a rough road comparison with the old one? This new one should be faster while being safer and more comfortable.
I’m shock suburban and Tahoe doesn’t have fog light.
laughable honestly.
GM seems to have gone away from fog lights. Maybe they're not really needed with modern headlights. That being said, more lights the better.
The lights aren't flashing they just look like that on video
Probably a 1400. Option but comes with black wheels or some other option you don't want.
@GSR PATROL UNIT those are LED lights, they appear to be flashing due to the camera frames and refresh rate.
The review i was wishing for... You people are awesome
2007-2014 are still my favorite in the looks department
Mine is an 07 and to make it even priceless, it was signed by Don Henley!!!
That generation was nice.👌 2015- 2020 was the worst by far, but the 2021 looks fantastic 👏
For its time it was great. I think these are simple and restrained (definitely will age well) they kinda remind me of the 07 gen. but 2020inated 🤣👀
Hell no 2001-2006 was the best looking I own a 2016 and it’s nice but not like old school
David Balderas Those have aged pretty well too
20:58 after just 5 years it will depreciate more than half, that’s insane. Buy a ‘Vette if you’re gonna spend that much. Google 2016 Suburban if you think I’m lying.
It's awesome for those of us willing to wait.
@@jghall00 - Problem is, in 5 years, the thing will be falling apart.
Average car lasts about 10 to 12 years. That seems perfectly sane to me
KL if you buy it used that’s one thing, but buying a truck for $80k that’s gonna be worth $10k in 10 years is financially irresponsible. Better off getting a Toyota or exotic car that won’t depreciate that much. Get a ‘Vette if you’re gonna spend that much on a GM.
Don Leamon no it won’t
Cmon! Its 2021 and GM is STILL using incandescent lighting on the side markers and Tail lights...
even for my base model i still want led side markers and tails 😂 im sure even those are up there around the 50K and up mark
Why is the lack of LED brake lights and rear turn signals a deal breaker when you're buying a mainstream full-size non-luxury BOF SUV? Many other new SUVs/CUVs and lower trim pickups use incandescent turn signals, yet those don't get bashed for the lack of LED turn signals just to look more "Modern"..? If you want rear LED turn signals, you're looking at a luxury branded vehicle, not a mainstream utility vehicle like the new Suburban and Tahoe.
Light bulbs... not a deal breaker
@@themightymrpink well when your spending up to $80 grand and higher for a vehicle, it should be a standard.
They need to save something for the more expensive gmc and Cadillac versions.
Am i the only one hates those headlights????
Seems like i am not alone. Even they put the trailblazer's front on suburban my wife would consider the suburban over the toyota sequoia
No, not by a long shot. Ugly AF. Same with the Chevy pickups.
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Gawd Awful!
There starting to grow on me..
The Blazers headlights are worse...for some reason Chevy designers thought that putting the Camaro front end (a vehicle they will no longer make) on every vehicle was a good idea.🤮
4:34 “some steel looking like plastic” sounds about GM
Just more shit to sweep off the floor when you get in a fender bender
Yea because Ford and Dodge don't use plastic at all 🤷♂️
ahmadaomar91 every car uses plastic 😂
I seem to remember so much fuss being made about the Ford touch screen not being intergrated into the dash on the Explorer. Now Chevy does it on the Tahoe and Suburban and not a word. Also, I noticed the rear seat screens are hanging from the backseat like an ornament unlike the Expeditions that are intergrated into the seat. Lastly, I heard a lot of fuss about not buying an Expedition because of the turbo V6. Yet, the new trucks have air suspension, which cannot be bulletproof and is guaranteed to give problems before 100k miles.
Trucks88 because the Tahoe and Suburban are superior the expedition and explorer
The front has really grown on me. I didn't think I'd like it but it's really not that bad. Chevy has had the split lights in different styles for years.
Good gosh these are expensive.
I make $130k a year and cant afford this stuff, how are so many people affording these things?
10 year loans
Debt. Going into lots of debt.
I wish I made $130k ...
Same people buying million dollar condos
100 months loan 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Man, I don't know how you buy the last gen Tahoe/Suburban over this one when they're both on the lot. Even with thousands off these new ones are lightyears better.
Also, AWESOME video TFL! I've been wondering what the side-by-side difference was in these.
i love the suburban
No matter how much you profess that, it's subconsciously because your wife appreciates the family space. Dinner time and it's you're a sweetheart for not picking the better looking one. Suburbans are the comic book guy from the Simpsons in a 👕 whatever redesign
@@JLan0904 what??
I got 33 pieces of sheet rock in my 2004 TahoeXL with 10ply tires at 75psi not a problem. I'll be looking at the diesel to see how it does and locking diffential. Let's see how the new suspension holds up.
I've had six Tahoes/Suburbans/Yukon Denali XLs over the past twelve years or so and I can't go without that extra space behind the third row. The Suburban's/Denali XL's extra length is a little bit more unwieldy in tight(er) parking spots but not enough to dismiss the idea of having one. When I take the Denali XL surf fishing with family on the New Jersey shore the extra room for gear is invaluable. Even at that I have a Thule cargo box up top to reduce clutter inside the vehicle.
I'm stoked for the upcoming Yukon Denali reviews, too!
I would like to see a mpg test. I drive a GMC Yukon which is rated 16-20 but I get better than that, I'd say 17-21 or 22. That 10 SPDR transmission makes a difference and In curious to see if mpg might be alittle better than what it is rated.
The Tahoe looks great but the suburban with all that space is so handy. I’ve had my suburban for twenty years and the only problem I’ve had with it was the fuel pump went out and there is a lose solder connection on the digital display causing it to blink off .
Definitely would love a diesel version
Seriously....
They are actually coming out with diesel versions
Dont know why they didn't mention it in this video but yeah there is going to be a duramax version for the tahoe and suburban. Its going to be a Duramax 3.0L inline 6 with its beautiful turbo installed. 277HP making I believe around 500 at the wheel. Unfortunately it's a late availability so it would take a little while to come out but it will be soon. Oh one last thing the Z71 version won't be having the duramax option for it but the others will.
They put a metal looking plastic shield on the bottom lol that's very off roading👍 🤣
To be fair.....it does have a steel bash plate under the plastic.
@@Thunderspud thats cool didn't know that 👍
@@Thunderspud To be fair, to break something before you hit protection is absurd.
@@WW-wf8tu I mean...I wasn't defending it. I agree with you. I also don't think anyone is seriously buying a $75k massive SUV to go play in Moab.
Merritt Andrew Creager I agree with you, but be nice knowing your $75,000 rig can play at Moab. Like my F150 has “FX4 OFF ROAD” stickers but came with 20inch rims lmao
10:45 that reaction is worth a million bucks of advertising $ from Chevy. I just loved how Andrei who already knew how big the Suburban is and is still amazed in real life, priceless.10:47 10:47 10:47
Excellent shot of the doors showing the quality of Chevy during the first 10 seconds of the video. Nice GAPS for $75000.
I’m digging the suburban in that trim although I’d take a good ole traditional column shifter any day over these increasingly stupid push button style.
I completely agree! Big, giant truck with a wimpy push button shifter? I hate it!
yeah something about that column shifter makes me feel manly 😂
Almost all the new transmissions are shift by wire now. The days of cable actuated gear selectors are numbered.
@@TNAWWE automatic transmissions are the definition of manly!
geepuller1 if manuals were more popular nowadays, i would say they are manlier
Just bought a 2022 1lt white Suburban on original 22 inch wheels, also haves panoramic roof & 2nd row bench.
2007-2014 was good looking, so was 2000-2006.👌 2015- 2020 was the worst by far, but the 2021 looks fantastic 👏
I will keep my 2017 Sequoia, it almost paid for, thanks Andra & Nathan.
"Extra holes in the exhaust tips for more sound" you mean to cut more noise. You can clearly tell these suvs are tailored to a different crowd compared to the trucks just by the exhaust sound. The suvs are so much quieter.
I wish The Z71 had exposed exhausts. I see why they did that, to free up departure angle, but it would be nice to see those quad exhausts.
Saw a Suburban Z71 in GMs Crimson Red...whew! Nice truck! I think GM killed it on the packaging. Definitely tops in the class now. Guess they got tired of hearing how awful it was in the rear quarters, despite still being #1 for years. My only wish was that GM gave the 6.2 more POWA to really make the extra $2500 worth it(it is worth it, but it would be easier to swallow). Maybe 3.5 EB H.O. level power. Other than that, it looks like GM has come to play and secure their dominance in this class.
I love the new z71 package on the new suburban and Tahoe
I am glad somebody at GM came to their senses and got the rear cargo floor back down. My oldest one 2002 has as solid rear axle and a flat rear cargo floor? That’s one reason I still have it, the other is it’s a damn good vehicle.Oh 175m.😃
Really enjoyed this review. Thanks fellas
Holly cr@p where have you been Nathan? Nice to see you reviewing again.
I wonder what kind of mileage the 3.0 diesel will get and what the payload/towing will be?
Second Amendment I was wondering also. Would eliminate the need to buy a diesel truck in addition to a family hauler. My guess with 5 people totaling 750 pounds the mpg would be about 19 mpg combined for Suburbans and 22 mpg combined for the Tahoe.
That 3.0 diesel so far has proven problematic, at least in the pickup version. I’d steer clear of that lemon...
@@jackchn23 that's not true at all.
Terrence Jones -tell that to this guy: ruclips.net/video/npJwirtc5X0/видео.html
Payload and towing are limited by the axle size. I.S. front and rear, soft for a nice ride. Need a solid rear axle 2500 model back for real towing power. Same motors and trans in the pick-ups that have higher load and tow numbers.
Keep up the great work!
They should offer the 6.2 with the z71. I guess they are sticking with the overall design concept of all show and no go.
Suburban got late a few weeks, I was hoping that it should be available the same time as Tahoe.
The GM Truck/Suv should have the
2.7L IL4 with a 10spd
5.3L V8 with a 10spd
6.2L V8 with a 10spd
3.0L Duramax with a 10spd
Acrossed the trim line up, no excuses for a company charging 50k-70k a vehicle.
Just bought a 2020 Suburban RST w/the 6.2 at a significant discount, glad I didn't wait for the '21. Not a fan of the styling at all. The only thing I would change about mine is the second and third row room. It would be nice if the second row moved like it does on the '21.
That suburban is nice...Nice big truck...there's an 02' across the street here...nice job guys..Thanks☺
$75k for a Tahoe, and $85k for a Suburban, and neither have fog lights. Very disappointing!
The price is absolutely ridiculous. In order to get the bigger engine you have to get high country and diesel has no availability yet. Wish more common trims/ configurations were being tested.
I will never understand how GM was the world’s largest car manufacturer at one time.
Why is that hard to understand and they still are one of the largest car manufacturers in the world
GM once made city buses, invented the diesel locomotive, made semi trucks, buses for Greyhound and invented the automatic transmission, starter , planned obsolescence, styling and colors other than black. The company made car lines for different incomes; Chevrolet for value, Pontiac for performance, Oldsmobile for business people, Buick primary for upper middle class and doctors and Cadillac for the rich people and GMC trucks and buses.
They still sell several million vehicles every year, they sold nearly 8 million last year.
I seem to remember so much fuss being made about the Ford touch screen not being intergrated into the dash on the Explorer. Now Chevy does it on the Tahoe and Suburban and not a word. Also, I noticed the rear seat screens are hanging from the backseat like an ornament unlike the Expeditions that are intergrated into the seat. Lastly, I heard a lot of fuss about not buying an Expedition because of the turbo V6. Yet, these two new trucks have air suspension, which cannot be bulletproof and is guaranteed to give problems before 100k miles. Just saying guys
Ford goes to its customers for daily usage and design comments and suggestions, GM goes to its engineers. You can clearly see the difference in the direction both are going in their vehicles.
Wrong. Don't make claims without facts.
Shawn Mon
Hell GM rehired the Pontiac Aztec designers..lol
You think that’s ugly, hold my beer!
And how's that working out for Ford, these still out sale the expedition and the Escalade still out sales the Navigator
SDJR INC. don’t think so
The sheet metal on the Tahoe makes it look like it's been sideswiped. The distortion at the lower portion of the doors is terrible
Love what the did but my on;y problem no cooling seats in the middle row Ford Expedition has that
As some have mentioned already the Suburban really needs to be 3/4 ton (2500) whatever you want to call it because the payload is far too low for the way most people I know who buy these things use them. People who buy the Suburban usually do so because they actually need the people hauling and cargo space and they often tow a boat or some ATV's. Heck, the people I know who have Suburbans tow a lot more than anyone I know who isn't in the trades does with heir truck. Anyway, put a 4 to 6 thousand pound boat and trailer, RV or ATV's?PWC's and you're down to somewhere between 800 and 1000 pounds of payload left. Now put five to six people in there (some may argue they are kids but kids can weight a lot before they can drive their own car) and you may not have a pound of payload left for luggage and other needed gear. When you build an SUV this large it should have the capacity to be fully utilized. Sure, people will overload them and not think a thing about it but should it break while overloaded you can bet GM isn't going to warranty the thing. And should you have an accident while overloaded insurance might not cover you. Yep, I know, everyone says wet blanket, dude, until they're stuck paying the bill.
Not only are the front ends better looking than the Silverado/Sierra, but so are the interiors (including the dash and door panels) too....
as a fellow Weezer fan, I approve of Nathan's shirt, lol.
PLEASE test the difference rear axle ratio has on fuel economy. Do an unladen and towing MPG loop to see what kind of reduction in fuel economy a higher ratio has on two similar trucks. The EPA does not rate trucks with different axle ratios separately and it’s common knowledge that the higher the ratio number the worst fuel economy you’ll get but nobody can see exactly how much worse. I want to know when I buy next truck if it’s a significant difference.
2021 base 4x4 Tahoe went up $12k Canadian over a 2020 base 4x4, but still running the same ancient engine. Ridiculous.
I am guess you'd rather have a DOHC twin turbo V6?
Lmao ancient engine? It’s the best in class V8, get a Ford for V6
If by ancient engine you mean greatest V8 engine ever? The LS and LT series V8s are the only reason to buy a GM.
@@darens440 the newer ones are known to have lifter failure. My denali needed a new long block at 30k miles changed the oil every 6k full syn. If thats the greatest engine ever.... Im out.
daren s you can say what you want but gm is going down hill and it’s sad. That 5.3 is a turd
That high country is the Cadillac of suburbans that must be the best large luxury car on sale
You guys shoot with the GH5 right? Have you looked into micro ISO adjustments mixed with proper frame rate and enabling synchro scan to try and avoid flickering and banding with vehicle lights and displays?
sounds like work 🤣 I bet each mfg. LED's run at different frequencies.
It's a car, not a down payment on a house. The car manufacturers will continue to lose out on rational American consumer money as long as they price like this. I hope the pandemic sees the car dealerships with full lots and low profits.
the z71 looks great!
Lane departure and collision warning will drive you up the wall. I would request turning them off. Been using them at work for a few years now and hate them.
over 12 years after (lagging behind) Ford you get rear independent suspension, WOW that progress !
can't 'wait' what's next from fiat-gm
Durango has had independent rear suspension since 2011.
But even the Durango from 2004 to 2009 had a more useable 3rd row than the old Tahoe
The Trailblazer Z71 made in Thailand could be a nice addition to the Suburban and Tahoe family, they just have similar front end design.
I can’t wait to see these in the preowned lots.
Keep up the good work!
Actually fuel economy is worst than last year 6.2L 2020 vs 6.2L 2021 (-1 mpg hwy)... I guess at that price you can probably afford "refueling at home" services especially since they reduce the fuel tank capacity on both models... 3 gallons less for the Sub & XL and 2 gallons less for the Tahoe & Yukon. On a road trip without too much load they shorten the fuel range by about 80 miles.
Love the High Country Suburban, plus the color scheme makes it look amazing and beautiful!
Would love to have the high country suburban with the diesel and air suspension. The Banks Derringer will definitely wake 3.0 up more when it comes out.
Other than the rake on the windshield, they dont look bad. The suburban looks much better without the wheel arches cutting into the doors. Space is impressive. As far ad efficiency. What do you want. They are massive heavy machines with old style pushrod v8s. 18 n 16 mpg average is pretty good for 2 giant trucks
I like to see u do off road review on that z71
i love suburban i like second row bench seat. well if you second row captain chairs you just walk in between seats get to third row.
Some perspective from a 2007 Tahoe owner.
Get the Suburban...LOL
I purchased the Tahoe because I loved the looks, I think its proportions are nicer, sporty vs family truckster and didn't think we needed the larger vehicle. But ! With 2 kids and stuff it never seems big enough and forget about cargo with the third row, it's less than a sedan trunk. I do love the truck otherwise.
Measures 9 inch Z71 badge: "It's 10 inches." That's what you tell all the ladies.
can you read a tape tho?
I dont see the MPGs ever getting much better than what they are. My 01 tahoe got around 20 on the highway with an earlier version of the 5.3l. It is what it is. A large vehicle with an old school pushrod V8 that are easy to work on and not too complicated. They are amazing. They could have a twin turbo v6 but that would just be more things to go wrong.
Crazy how Andre had so much space in the suburban 3rd row
Nice Shirt Nathan 👍
At 12:48, I notice the typical to GM jiggly glass closing. I'm sure that's just the start of the quality problems on these beasts.
Nice Vid. Ya'll should have give a side view video of the Tahoe being lifted
Me and family always buy Chevy and Gmc but lately I been disappointed. Feels like GM doesn't take chances anymore when building best vehicles.
@R Martinez, I think they learned after the Aztec, HHR and the SSR. Now they're just making what the computer program tells them.
Great video as always, now give the Z71 to Stephen!!
This is off topic but.... I think the blazer is a great and good looking vehicle but should have been a new gen equinox and then we could have gotten a proper blazer.
The 3.0L diesel sounds interesting. I've got a 91 6.2 Diesel Suburban and an 85 6.2 Diesel Suburban (Both N/A). It's been a long time since diesels were offered in the Suburbans, around 20 years or so? Of course, this has to do with the ridiculous way government classifies emissions. A suburban is classified as a "station wagon". Or at least it was, I'm not sure these days, but the reason still stands. That said, Duraburb does some cool stuff if you want a V8 Duramax.
Nice to have all those cameras, but do any of them record as a dash cam would in case of an accident
Still no room behind the driver seat. At least the suburban has a cargo area and the hatch glass opening and fast door are nice
Can someone please tell me the name of the song in the background? Great Video by the way, keep up the great work 👍🏾