I have a 1500 Silverado with 3.0 Dmax , absolutely love the truck!!! Average for a year hauling enclosed race car trailer , open car trailer and city driving, 21mpg @ 27k miles. Amazing 👏
That’s a huge difference in fuel economy. You can not just look at the numbers and say it’s close. Doing the math, the Suburban was 27.3% more efficient on that loop.
@@andyharman3022 I’m sure the Suburban/Tahoe can be had with the diesel or gas engine for cheaper. The difference in assumed unreliability will be offset by the comparatively high cost of fuel owning the Sequoia. I get your point though, you’re gonna pay somewhere. So buy what you like and enjoy it.
The suburban engine has to be pulled at 150k for the oil pump belt replacement. Ouch. Better get a LOT of fuel savings to pay for the $3k + belt replacement every 150k plus all of the diesel maintenance and repairs. GM had a great design and basically ruined it with the oil pump belt that requires the engine out or the transmission dropped to replace. I'm actually kinda surprised how close the mpg is given how old the Sequoia is.
Diesel fuel is also another 10-15% higher in price than regular gas. Once you include the Diesel engine upgrade costs, DEF consumption, & other increased consumable costs small displacement diesels are hard to overcome the perceived “cost savings."
rented a suburban on vacation and loved it was hands down the smoothest riding vehicle ive ever ridden in found myself blasting over speed bumps trying to unsettle the suspension but just soaked it up im a fan to say the least
@@jeepindave5464 was in 2019 and it was brand new so not sure but probably had solid rear axle but man they did there homework with it had 8 people in it rode nice empty.or.loaded made my 2015 high country silverado feel like a clapped out p.o.s. gonna buy one when im done with my truck
@@jeepindave5464 rented one of those on a trip in california had great power decent mileage was comfortable as well but comparing last generations the suburbans ride was amazing..power and mileage wise my 6.2 silverado accelerates better and gets better mileqge than both of them.
Thank you for using the weight distributing hitch on the Suburban with air suspension. So many people out there think because they have an air suspension it's not needed
I have been wondering about how that is done. Usually put my distribution bars on before weight. It looks like they do it after how does that work out? Wouldn’t the distribution bars have little to no weight on them?
I have 2021 Silverado with the 3.0 and pull a 20' enclosed trailer. I don't necessarily need the weight distribution for my setup but the sway control is a huge help. His hitch, and mine, have the bars supported by brackets and not chains which is amazing for keeping the trailer straight.
@@TheJmatagi You go by the fender height on the front. If you have the bars set right the front should be at the same ride height unloaded vs loaded. Once you know where you like to be then you hook up the same each time. On my trailer I know on my bars it's 3 links loose with no fresh water. 4 links loose with water.
Wish Andre had made even a brief comment in the power department of these substantially different engines, specifically in terms of highway merging effort, passing ease, etc.
I have a Tundra now for 6 months. I tow a 5000 lb RV and the 5.7 is no dog. It can get up and go pretty quick in TOW HAUL MODE and it is better on fuel than towing with my Tacoma i used to have.
In terms of towing the Tundra should be better towing but overall mpgs no way. I hate my 2020 Tacoma but it gets 22mpgs. My Tundra never beat 18 and averaged 16.5. My new Ford is fine. I miss the v8 growl and the get up but here in the people’s republic of Ca they are hoping for $4.50 gas soon....
Considering the weight factor is on the Chevy versus Toyota, no surprise. Whether it is a 4x4 or 4x2 is another huge difference in the MPG factor. The correct comparison would have been a Tahoe versus Sequoia. However, this was an eye opener in seeing the results. Excellent video.
Very good mileage on the Toyota, especially with 4.30 gears. I just towed a 5400 lb/26' Micro Lite travel trailer for 175 miles on flat land (Louisiana) on interstate 10 at 63 MPH and got 9.3 MPG with a 2020 Silverado 1500 4x4 crew cab with max trailering package, 5.3 L V-8 and 3.42 gears.
Not bad. I got 16.2 mpg when I moved across country in december with my 15 ram ecodiesel with 3.92 gears. I had 600 lbs in the bed and was towing 7000lbs.
For that particular trim and options, yes. A lower end model is around 59 grand or under for the diesel one which isn't all that expensive for a full-sized body on frame SUV. If you don't like that there is the Tahoe for about 5k less starting price albeit shorter and less cargo room but still plenty roomy. The Sequoia is only cheaper newer because it is made cheaper and is heavily outdated.
Sure, but its resale after you put 100K on it is going to be high, go look at 5 year old ones with 100K and they go for almost $30K, it's still a good price for what you are getting and also keep in mind the age of the cheap vehicle is over.
Aren’t full-size Toyota trucks and suvs of the last 15 or so years known to get the worst gas mileage around? That’s fine if they’re simple, old school and reliable.
@@youarerightboss Not actually true😒, if you’re someone who’s just trying to get into a step above what you could really be in then you want to take into account gas mileage..........and that’s 20% worse than the Chevy, counts a lot when you have kids. This is not a Lamborghini purchase where you can say that phrase! 🤷🏽♂️
Yes and Toyota plans on doing something about it because they're not happy their larger SUVs and Tundra are being outperformed by other manufacturers with their low mpg. They plan on making a V6 twin turbo hybrid that they have supposedly been working on for quite some time and they expect big numbers.
@@dennissmith7214, shouldn't live beyond your means. Prior to purchasing any entity, you should perform your due diligence by reviewing your monthly income statement and attempt to remain in the black with residual cash on hand at the conclusion of each month. If you need capacity and can't afford all facets of owning a new vehicle, then buy used.
@@Tylnorton, a twin turbo V-6 or any turbocharged engine will add more stress to said engine and shorten the life of that applicable engine. Not to mention the exorbitant expenses of repairing turbos and their stressed engines. Just look at all of the issues that Ford is having with their Ecoboost powerplants. Give me a V-8 any day of the annum for sound power/torque, reliability, durability and longevity. There's no replacement for displacement.
It used to be diesels were much more reliable than gas motors. But I'd bet good money on that Toyota V8 lasting longer than that Italian I6 diesel now.
I have a Sequoia and a Tundra both with the 5.7. Similar drivetrain but the rear axles are diff. Tundra solid axle and the Sequoia is independent for a better ride. BUT the Sequoia only holds about 1.5 quarts of diff fluid where the Tundra holds over 4. If you tow a lot with the Sequoia be sure to keep up on changing your fluid. Toyota makes it super easy, fill and a drain plug. No reason to pay for it to be done
That's what I believe my international scout gets but down hill.....costing with a good breeze but it's about smiles per gallons or what I tell myself.
@@adventuresinreality2645 i also got 14 mpg with my v10 excursion unloaded at 65. Put an empty 2500# car trailer behind it and got 13mpg at 65. them put about 9700# behind it and got 8mpg on the way back doing 55-60 which to me seemed pretty good.
Andre - The handle of the trailer slides around the shaft so you don't have to hold the bend in it to crank it. You might have to hold the shaft to keep from putting it in low speed of it has 2 speeds like a semi trailer landing gear.
Look at 5:21 and 10:14 That should tell you everything you need to know. The Suburban has no squat, and is in near perfect alignment, but the Sequoia is squatted and bowed out like an overloaded minivan.
They didn't use comparable models. They had the air suspension suburban but not the air suspension on the Sequoia (it's available). With the air suspension Sequoia it's identical. So if you think that tells you anything, you're not really paying attention.
@@csh000 Nah, minivans can only tow from 3,600 lbs to 5,000lbs at most, they’re great for giving more people rides, but if you want to tow more with a van, you’ll need a full-size/cargo van.
It would be interesting to see this comparison with a 5.3 Suburban. Most people aren’t going to buy the diesel version. My guess is that gas mileage is going to be a lot closer.
Maybe it's different for the suburban but in my navigator it states to park on level ground and turn off the air suspension before hooking up the weight distribution hitch. Hook it up to where the top of the front fender well is within an inch of where it is when there is no trailer hooked up and then turn the air suspension back on.
@@ryan7684 there two types of HD diesel guys, 1. That tows and the other to make a statement, when you tow, you can’t have it any other way besides diesel, and when you make a statement, not only you save money on fuel, but you’ll also get your money back when you sell it.
@@ryan7684 I agree that a lot off fleets are switching to gas, and most were gassers anyway. The problem with new ones is emissions, but again, when you tow 15K+ day in and day out, you gonna get a diesel. 06 LBZ with around 200k miles, worth about 8k more then 6.0 gasser with same miles, that’s when you take advantage of a diesel and return your money when you sell it.
TFL ... love you guys ... but Please! Compare Apples to Apples. Sequoia vs gas Tahoe or Yukon - ok, we have something to compare. I didn’t even need to watch this video to know there’d be a considerable amount of difference between the two. I’m always interested to generally watch auto videos, but if folks are trying to see where they should consider or purchase this or that, then I feel the vehicles should match. No different then you comparing towing capes of that Taco vs let’s say a gas or diesel 1500 series truck. Just my 2 cents.
@@monkeyCmonkeyDoo no, not at all. There’s nothing to compare the diesel Tahoe and GM SUV’s to. Other than half ton diesel trucks. Yes I do believe gas vs gas in this circumstance is more appropriate, but it would be kind of silly to not showcase the diesel at all.
@@gary4508 I can appreciate they are in the same class for third row, box on frame SUVs, but there are significant and obvious differences. The car maker (Chevrolet) even segregates the categories - hence why they label one a Tahoe and the other Suburban. I can only see this as a means to showcase the “Legendary” diesel Suburban and its capabilities. For a model that hasn’t been altered much since 2008 (Sequoia), I’m surprised they reserved the title of “Legendary” for the Suburban and not the Sequoia. Hmmmm, I wonder what the community feels the Suburban is “Legendary” for?
@@79BigGun oldest name plate in the world baby. The King of the Large SUV’s it’s first year was in 1933 that’s why it’s legendary. Every family that had one in our neighborhood in the suburbs of chicago lovey their suburban. All the family trips camping and fishing. Man the good old days
Diesel always wins. It's not even up for debate. Diesel likes towing. Try claiming a mountain with these two and see what happens... vortex in the gas tank.
I have currently a 2014 Acura RDX. I never get better than 21 to 22 mpg in Houston traffic. On a trip to Austin ,best I got was 28 mpg.at 75mph. The Denali diesel,a much bigger vehicle gets better Mpg.
Where i live diesel costs about 30-40 cents more per gallon, then ad in the cost of def and these two vehicles are costing about the same per mile to operate.
Before I bought my 3l Duramax I calculated the cost vs a gasser. I guesstimated based off previous diesel vehicle ownership that I’d use $28 or so worth of def every 4,000 miles. When I calculated it out I figured how far I could go on $100. I knew it was gonna be around 500 miles so I took $3.50 off for the def on the diesel. At current cost by me($4.24/gal) assuming I got 24 mpg(I actually avg. higher) I could go 546 miles. In my previous 5.3 I always averaged around 17.5 mpg and the newer generations have only gotten worse. So at the current $3.30 for regular, I could do 530 miles in the gasser. They’re very similar, but the diesel to me drives like an absolute dream.
Side note. The Suburban air ride system is similar to my 2006 4runner v8 Ltd w/xreas. I towed a full size long bed Chevy 1500 with with my 4runner with no problems.
No empty loop for the sequoia? I keep waiting for you guys to test the 2021 sequoia and tundra on unloaded mpg loops. Any info I find usually dont help because everyone has huge wheels or jacked up trucks they record.
I had a ‘16 Crewmax SR5 4x4 Tundra for several years. If you cruised on the highway at 80 you would get about 16mpg. 75 = 17 70 = 18 I had an ‘11 Crewmax 2wd before that. It would bet you about 1mpg better. This was in the Southeast. Florida/Georgia driving.
yup that was part of the real story here. I had a 2nd gen Highlander and it's 18 gallon tank was dinky IMHO. Giving only 8 additional gallons of fuel capacity is silly. But then I'm someone who thinks the "extended range" tanks available on most pickup trucks ought to be the standard size tank.
I seen someone trying to do that but it will need a Lift of 2.5 inch and widen the rear by 1.6 inch to accommodate that tank I really don’t know if that’s accurate but tell if I’m wrong about this
@@logdon17, the aforementioned drivetrain is tried and true, along with being bulletproof. An 8 speed transmission would yield a nominal increase in MPG, though. If they took the interior of the Land Cruiser and integrated it into the Sequioa, that would be ideal. I do like the masculine exterior of the Sequioa, though. It should look utilitarian instead of like a soccer mom vehicle.
Does adaptive cruise control automatically adjust follow distance when towing a heavy (relatively) trailer? Is there a safe following distance for a needed emergency stop?
I have a 19 Tundra (same Toyota safety sense) pull a TT with it and yes it does still work. You still have all 3 distance setting I leave mine at furthest away. The adaptive cruise also his the trailer brakes when the system brakes.
Word of caution....I am a huge Toyota fan BUT Toyota needs to add a heating element to the Logo because frost will render the cruise inoperable AND also the logo needs a sprayer nozzle because salt and dirt will also render adaptive cruise inoperable.
@@mikefoehr235 I have not had this be an issue but then again I don't use cruise control in any inclement weather was always taught not to. Only to use cruise on dry pavement not even in the rain.
Curious if GM is going to change to the LZ0 new 3.0 duramax in the Yukon, Tahoe and Escalade like they did in the Silverado and the sierra that’s now 305 hp and 495 ftlbs instead of this one with 277 hp and 460 ftlbs
I "think" it would have been better is the Suburban had been engine off while trailer was set-up including weight distribution. Then turn it on and let it accomodate with the automated air suspension. That way, both vehicles get the same treatment and the Chevy gets to use its advantage, if any, from the option.
makes no difference. Once he started lowering the trailer the hitch height was already set. Whether the compressor kicks in while lowering trailer or after it was lowered doesn't affect anything.
Can you explain your towing weight numbers? You said 7k, but that truck in stock form weighs 3,300 lbs. That trailer should be around 2k-2.2k. I'm sure there are some mods to the truck, but probably not 1,700 lbs. worth.
Hey, you guys should do a tow test comparing the 4Runner to the Jeep Grand Cherokee. There doesn’t seem to be a tow test for the 4Runner on your channel and when researching for our next family weekend car they were the two that we were deciding between. Went with 4Runner
Did I see correct? Toyota still has a gas cap? Holy cow! Overall i do like their philosophy, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Too bad they are being left behind by all the competition when it comes to innovation, tech, ect...
There are definitely a lot of engine and electrical bugs. I work in rental fleet and these new body styles are plagued with issues unfortunately. Wait a couple years and let GM straighten it out.
@@DanielJaegerFilms I been wanting to rent these new 2021 suburban , but I could not find a rental company that had them. Which one do you work at that has these new 2021 suburbans
@@samiaziz2665 Enterprise, National, Alamo and Hertz have them as far as I know. Keep in mind there’s no guarantee they’ll have that actual vehicle at their location. However, if you rent from an airport location, there’s a good chance you’ll find them.
I still think they should do a vid on the new uramax Suburban vs an old powerstroke Excursion. See if its worth the money, or if you'd be better off with the old Excursion, with some modification money.
The Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, the GMC Yukon and Yukon XL, and the Cadillac Escalade account for 50% of all large SUV sales in the US. GM makes 340,000 of them every year and exports about 80,000 to 31 countries. They’re made in GM’s plant in Arlington, Texas, which is said to be the most profitable assembly plant in the world. We estimate they generate $20 billion in revenue for GM and about $4 billion in profits. Autoline Daily.
Not sure you can call the Sequoia one of the “latest” SUV’s... it’s been around in its current iteration forever... pretty sure the Suburban/Tahoe have been through two redesigns since the current Sequoia debuted...
@@youarerightboss perhaps... but that also partially explains why the Sequoia/Tundra’s market share is miniscule compared to the Silverado/Tahoe/Expedition/F-150 etc... Toyota may be able to rest on their laurels with the 4 Runner and (especially) Tacoma, which are underpowered and undergeared relative to their competition, but they’ve got a great foothold in those segments... if they really want to take on the Big Three in full size truck and SUV sales, they’re going to have to do much better than their current offerings.
I would like to know what is the most fuel efficient towing pickup truck out there? Diesel and with or without special mods? Let's say to tow a 7k plus lb camper trailer or 5th wheel.
Compensate the difference in fuel costs. Diesel costs more...cmon Andre youre the "fine details man". Id love to make a review show with you on any vehicle. I know everything about anything with wheels and a engine anyway. 👍🏼👍🏼!
@@christophercollard8409 Toyota are the worst. I had a 2007 FJCRUISER that was averaging the same as my 2014 F250 with 6.2 engine. Toyota engines are all anemic and are not designed to perform under load. Anybody that chooses that ugly outdated Sequoia over a Suburban is downright insane.
@@alienation-k1x at 11mpg a full tank would go 271 miles. That's pretty easy math. So you'd really be filling up about every 200 miles. Same as a powerstroke with the 26 gallon tank towing a travel trailer or an f150 with a 23 gallon tank. For towing duty a bigger tank would be better. A stop every 3 hours is pretty average, so I'm not sure it would be a big issue.
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I have a 1500 Silverado with 3.0 Dmax , absolutely love the truck!!! Average for a year hauling enclosed race car trailer , open car trailer and city driving, 21mpg @ 27k miles. Amazing 👏
shit that's amazing 🤨🧐 my accord gets that 🤦🏾
Any issues on the LM2?
Smirnoff Topoff, Andre you know that would be a tee shirt logo.
That’s a huge difference in fuel economy. You can not just look at the numbers and say it’s close. Doing the math, the Suburban was 27.3% more efficient on that loop.
Or the Sequoia was 20% less efficient.
@@andyharman3022 I’m sure the Suburban/Tahoe can be had with the diesel or gas engine for cheaper. The difference in assumed unreliability will be offset by the comparatively high cost of fuel owning the Sequoia. I get your point though, you’re gonna pay somewhere. So buy what you like and enjoy it.
The sequoia has 104 hp more and 59Lbft torq less
5.7 and 6 speed is also tried and true since 2007
I’d take the sequoia over suburban
The suburban engine has to be pulled at 150k for the oil pump belt replacement. Ouch. Better get a LOT of fuel savings to pay for the $3k + belt replacement every 150k plus all of the diesel maintenance and repairs. GM had a great design and basically ruined it with the oil pump belt that requires the engine out or the transmission dropped to replace. I'm actually kinda surprised how close the mpg is given how old the Sequoia is.
Diesel fuel is also another 10-15% higher in price than regular gas. Once you include the Diesel engine upgrade costs, DEF consumption, & other increased consumable costs small displacement diesels are hard to overcome the perceived “cost savings."
As the owner of a 3.0L Duramax, the hand calculated MPG is always better than the trip computer. Always a nice surprise when you do the math. 🙂
rented a suburban on vacation and loved it was hands down the smoothest riding vehicle ive ever ridden in found myself blasting over speed bumps trying to unsettle the suspension but just soaked it up im a fan to say the least
Asian.
The new independent suspension or the older solid rear axle?
@@jeepindave5464 was in 2019 and it was brand new so not sure but probably had solid rear axle but man they did there homework with it had 8 people in it rode nice empty.or.loaded made my 2015 high country silverado feel like a clapped out p.o.s. gonna buy one when im done with my truck
@@jameskwak3198 lol. Well a truck will be a truck. I want an expedition max with the ecoboost
@@jeepindave5464 rented one of those on a trip in california had great power decent mileage was comfortable as well but comparing last generations the suburbans ride was amazing..power and mileage wise my 6.2 silverado accelerates better and gets better mileqge than both of them.
Thank you for using the weight distributing hitch on the Suburban with air suspension. So many people out there think because they have an air suspension it's not needed
I have been wondering about how that is done. Usually put my distribution bars on before weight. It looks like they do it after how does that work out? Wouldn’t the distribution bars have little to no weight on them?
I have 2021 Silverado with the 3.0 and pull a 20' enclosed trailer. I don't necessarily need the weight distribution for my setup but the sway control is a huge help. His hitch, and mine, have the bars supported by brackets and not chains which is amazing for keeping the trailer straight.
@@TheJmatagi You go by the fender height on the front. If you have the bars set right the front should be at the same ride height unloaded vs loaded. Once you know where you like to be then you hook up the same each time. On my trailer I know on my bars it's 3 links loose with no fresh water. 4 links loose with water.
I was betting ( and hoping ) that the Suburban / Duramax would be the winner here.
Thumbs up!
Wish Andre had made even a brief comment in the power department of these substantially different engines, specifically in terms of highway merging effort, passing ease, etc.
I have a Tundra now for 6 months. I tow a 5000 lb RV and the 5.7 is no dog. It can get up and go pretty quick in TOW HAUL MODE and it is better on fuel than towing with my Tacoma i used to have.
In terms of towing the Tundra should be better towing but overall mpgs no way. I hate my 2020 Tacoma but it gets 22mpgs. My Tundra never beat 18 and averaged 16.5. My new Ford is fine. I miss the v8 growl and the get up but here in the people’s republic of Ca they are hoping for $4.50 gas soon....
@@brianfinn7644 why I went to the Ram Ecodiesel vice Tundra or the Tacoma. MPG and tow in Cali.
Thank you for uploading a real world towing test with both of these trucks! I’d be down to seeing y’all test the Suburban diesel on the Ike Gauntlet!
Gauntlet run for the win
That was a very good comparison video. Keep up the good work Andre and TFL!
The truck you pointed to at 9:36 with the grader, I've loaded him with bridges several times. Awesome guy
Also that semi with grader is probably getting 4 to 6mpg at best andre, hence why us truck drivers have dual tanks that cost $700.000 + to fill-up
Considering the weight factor is on the Chevy versus Toyota, no surprise. Whether it is a 4x4 or 4x2 is another huge difference in the MPG factor. The correct comparison would have been a Tahoe versus Sequoia. However, this was an eye opener in seeing the results. Excellent video.
Andre, do the same test with your new F-150 hybrid and see how it does.
Very good mileage on the Toyota, especially with 4.30 gears. I just towed a 5400 lb/26' Micro Lite travel trailer for 175 miles on flat land (Louisiana) on interstate 10 at 63 MPH and got 9.3 MPG with a 2020 Silverado 1500 4x4 crew cab with max trailering package, 5.3 L V-8 and 3.42 gears.
Not bad. I got 16.2 mpg when I moved across country in december with my 15 ram ecodiesel with 3.92 gears. I had 600 lbs in the bed and was towing 7000lbs.
I get 9.5 to 10 towing the same trailer (MiniLite 2511) at 63 mph with my 6.2L Yukon Denali
80 grand for the suburban 😱
Facts
I’d just get the Denali at that price
Remember two piglet, you can get a suburban for a much more reasonable price
For that particular trim and options, yes. A lower end model is around 59 grand or under for the diesel one which isn't all that expensive for a full-sized body on frame SUV. If you don't like that there is the Tahoe for about 5k less starting price albeit shorter and less cargo room but still plenty roomy. The Sequoia is only cheaper newer because it is made cheaper and is heavily outdated.
Sure, but its resale after you put 100K on it is going to be high, go look at 5 year old ones with 100K and they go for almost $30K, it's still a good price for what you are getting and also keep in mind the age of the cheap vehicle is over.
Next time, can you guys do the comparison test of Chevy Suburban Gas vs Chevy Suburban Diesel?! Makes more sense.
Diesel would be better for towing, that’s a given.
Would be nice to see still though.
10 mpg and 14 mpg.
Aren’t full-size Toyota trucks and suvs of the last 15 or so years known to get the worst gas mileage around? That’s fine if they’re simple, old school and reliable.
If you can afford the Sequioa, you can afford the petrol.
@@youarerightboss Not actually true😒, if you’re someone who’s just trying to get into a step above what you could really be in then you want to take into account gas mileage..........and that’s 20% worse than the Chevy, counts a lot when you have kids. This is not a Lamborghini purchase where you can say that phrase! 🤷🏽♂️
Yes and Toyota plans on doing something about it because they're not happy their larger SUVs and Tundra are being outperformed by other manufacturers with their low mpg. They plan on making a V6 twin turbo hybrid that they have supposedly been working on for quite some time and they expect big numbers.
@@dennissmith7214, shouldn't live beyond your means. Prior to purchasing any entity, you should perform your due diligence by reviewing your monthly income statement and attempt to remain in the black with residual cash on hand at the conclusion of each month. If you need capacity and can't afford all facets of owning a new vehicle, then buy used.
@@Tylnorton, a twin turbo V-6 or any turbocharged engine will add more stress to said engine and shorten the life of that applicable engine. Not to mention the exorbitant expenses of repairing turbos and their stressed engines. Just look at all of the issues that Ford is having with their Ecoboost powerplants. Give me a V-8 any day of the annum for sound power/torque, reliability, durability and longevity.
There's no replacement for displacement.
It used to be diesels were much more reliable than gas motors. But I'd bet good money on that Toyota V8 lasting longer than that Italian I6 diesel now.
Emissions are doing diesel like the caa did to gas in 1970.
Andre and the gang, thank You for the aforementioned comparable.
I have a Sequoia and a Tundra both with the 5.7. Similar drivetrain but the rear axles are diff. Tundra solid axle and the Sequoia is independent for a better ride. BUT the Sequoia only holds about 1.5 quarts of diff fluid where the Tundra holds over 4. If you tow a lot with the Sequoia be sure to keep up on changing your fluid. Toyota makes it super easy, fill and a drain plug. No reason to pay for it to be done
How did they compare seat of the pants power wise? I love these very usable tests!
Wondering same.
14 mpgs---- that's what my excursion gets on the hwy empty
😀 LOL
Do you have the diesel or v10 gas?
@@JW--dc8ri asking the real question
@@JW--dc8ri v10. Way less expensive for everything but fuel economy.
That's what I believe my international scout gets but down hill.....costing with a good breeze but it's about smiles per gallons or what I tell myself.
@@adventuresinreality2645 i also got 14 mpg with my v10 excursion unloaded at 65. Put an empty 2500# car trailer behind it and got 13mpg at 65. them put about 9700# behind it and got 8mpg on the way back doing 55-60 which to me seemed pretty good.
You need to do a longer loop atleast 100 miles
Andre - The handle of the trailer slides around the shaft so you don't have to hold the bend in it to crank it. You might have to hold the shaft to keep from putting it in low speed of it has 2 speeds like a semi trailer landing gear.
Look at 5:21 and 10:14
That should tell you everything you need to know. The Suburban has no squat, and is in near perfect alignment, but the Sequoia is squatted and bowed out like an overloaded minivan.
They didn't use comparable models. They had the air suspension suburban but not the air suspension on the Sequoia (it's available). With the air suspension Sequoia it's identical. So if you think that tells you anything, you're not really paying attention.
Yet, the Sequioa will outperform and outlast that shitty gm jalopy.
Not true. Minivans have higher payload ratings. 😄
@@csh000 Nah, minivans can only tow from 3,600 lbs to 5,000lbs at most, they’re great for giving more people rides, but if you want to tow more with a van, you’ll need a full-size/cargo van.
It would be interesting to see this comparison with a 5.3 Suburban. Most people aren’t going to buy the diesel version. My guess is that gas mileage is going to be a lot closer.
I own one and no the mileage is nowhere near 14mpg. I tow a 4500 trailer at 60 and get around 12mpg
That diesel gets the same mpg towing that trailer as my 04 Tahoe gets empty!
If he only knew the trailer jack handle locks together so you can crank quickly with one hand....
well us truckers are aware fun to watch the inexperienced though!
Maybe it's different for the suburban but in my navigator it states to park on level ground and turn off the air suspension before hooking up the weight distribution hitch. Hook it up to where the top of the front fender well is within an inch of where it is when there is no trailer hooked up and then turn the air suspension back on.
The Sequoia looks like it's from North Carolina with that sag lol.
Another awesome video and comparison..... now, do the same test on the Rivian R1S..... when you get your hands on it, of course 😜
These vehicle prices are through the roof
This Suburban gets the same mpg towing 7,000 pounds as my 2011 navigator averages with about 75% highway driving.
I wonder if the 3mpg difference would offset the added diesel maintenance.
3 to as much as 10. you likely aren't gonna be towing a 7k trailer all day every day.
I barely get 23 mpg out of my 3.0 duramax.
Plus def
@@ryan7684 there two types of HD diesel guys, 1. That tows and the other to make a statement, when you tow, you can’t have it any other way besides diesel, and when you make a statement, not only you save money on fuel, but you’ll also get your money back when you sell it.
@@ryan7684 I agree that a lot off fleets are switching to gas, and most were gassers anyway. The problem with new ones is emissions, but again, when you tow 15K+ day in and day out, you gonna get a diesel.
06 LBZ with around 200k miles, worth about 8k more then 6.0 gasser with same miles, that’s when you take advantage of a diesel and return your money when you sell it.
Love these comparisons!
TFL ... love you guys ... but Please! Compare Apples to Apples. Sequoia vs gas Tahoe or Yukon - ok, we have something to compare. I didn’t even need to watch this video to know there’d be a considerable amount of difference between the two. I’m always interested to generally watch auto videos, but if folks are trying to see where they should consider or purchase this or that, then I feel the vehicles should match. No different then you comparing towing capes of that Taco vs let’s say a gas or diesel 1500 series truck. Just my 2 cents.
So what is there to test against the Tahoe diesel? Nothing, because nothing else has a diesel.
@@tylerwalk7699 maybe a gas powered Suburban? Are you dense or what?
@@monkeyCmonkeyDoo no, not at all. There’s nothing to compare the diesel Tahoe and GM SUV’s to. Other than half ton diesel trucks. Yes I do believe gas vs gas in this circumstance is more appropriate, but it would be kind of silly to not showcase the diesel at all.
@@gary4508 I can appreciate they are in the same class for third row, box on frame SUVs, but there are significant and obvious differences. The car maker (Chevrolet) even segregates the categories - hence why they label one a Tahoe and the other Suburban. I can only see this as a means to showcase the “Legendary” diesel Suburban and its capabilities. For a model that hasn’t been altered much since 2008 (Sequoia), I’m surprised they reserved the title of “Legendary” for the Suburban and not the Sequoia. Hmmmm, I wonder what the community feels the Suburban is “Legendary” for?
@@79BigGun oldest name plate in the world baby. The King of the Large SUV’s it’s first year was in 1933 that’s why it’s legendary. Every family that had one in our neighborhood in the suburbs of chicago lovey their suburban.
All the family trips camping and fishing. Man the good old days
Diesel always wins. It's not even up for debate. Diesel likes towing. Try claiming a mountain with these two and see what happens... vortex in the gas tank.
I have currently a 2014 Acura RDX.
I never get better than 21 to 22 mpg in Houston traffic.
On a trip to Austin ,best I got was 28 mpg.at 75mph.
The Denali diesel,a much bigger vehicle gets better Mpg.
Where i live diesel costs about 30-40 cents more per gallon, then ad in the cost of def and these two vehicles are costing about the same per mile to operate.
It's a shame Toyota doesn't offer their diesel options in North America!
I agree, I wish they would
Of course. Duramax magic baby!
regarding towing, both are equally powerful
Been waiting A WHILE to see this.
Should we take in consideration the cost of DEF ?? Having a Tuareg TDI before I did see pretty substantial increase in DEF when towing.
Exactly the comment I was looking for. DEF while loaded is going to reduce that mpg perhaps even by -1 mpg
Before I bought my 3l Duramax I calculated the cost vs a gasser. I guesstimated based off previous diesel vehicle ownership that I’d use $28 or so worth of def every 4,000 miles. When I calculated it out I figured how far I could go on $100. I knew it was gonna be around 500 miles so I took $3.50 off for the def on the diesel. At current cost by me($4.24/gal) assuming I got 24 mpg(I actually avg. higher) I could go 546 miles. In my previous 5.3 I always averaged around 17.5 mpg and the newer generations have only gotten worse. So at the current $3.30 for regular, I could do 530 miles in the gasser. They’re very similar, but the diesel to me drives like an absolute dream.
I’m interested in how the suburban performs. Standing by for a performance, drivability, livability test...
Side note. The Suburban air ride system is similar to my 2006 4runner v8 Ltd w/xreas. I towed a full size long bed Chevy 1500 with with my 4runner with no problems.
I’ve been towing a 25’1” boat for the last 9 years behind a 2007 V8 Limited. The 4.7 could definitely use more power!
That Sequoia looks a decade older than the new Chevy twins.
the sequoia just looks uncomfortable towing that much weight
How
@@greatone2327 look at how much it squatted when they put the trailer on. The Chevy didn’t squat at all due to the Air Suspension.
1200 lbs payload will do that.
Just imagine taking the wife and kids while towing. 😬
Sequioa platinum has adjustable air suspension too
@@jeffzaharis3771 well, their system must be shitty in comparison to Chevy’s. An SUV with Air suspension shouldn’t squat that much.
I expected the Sequoia to be a little worse and the diesel Burb to be a little better. Still a solid victory for the Chevy.
No empty loop for the sequoia? I keep waiting for you guys to test the 2021 sequoia and tundra on unloaded mpg loops. Any info I find usually dont help because everyone has huge wheels or jacked up trucks they record.
I had a ‘16 Crewmax SR5 4x4 Tundra for several years. If you cruised on the highway at 80 you would get about 16mpg.
75 = 17
70 = 18
I had an ‘11 Crewmax 2wd before that. It would bet you about 1mpg better.
This was in the Southeast. Florida/Georgia driving.
Dang those both look amazing
The Sequoia also needs the 38 gallon tank.
yup that was part of the real story here. I had a 2nd gen Highlander and it's 18 gallon tank was dinky IMHO. Giving only 8 additional gallons of fuel capacity is silly.
But then I'm someone who thinks the "extended range" tanks available on most pickup trucks ought to be the standard size tank.
The Sequioa will last decades, while the gm will be scrap metal and razor blades.
I seen someone trying to do that but it will need a Lift of 2.5 inch and widen the rear by 1.6 inch to accommodate that tank I really don’t know if that’s accurate but tell if I’m wrong about this
And and all new interior, exterior, and drive-train.....
@@logdon17, the aforementioned drivetrain is tried and true, along with being bulletproof. An 8 speed transmission would yield a nominal increase in MPG, though. If they took the interior of the Land Cruiser and integrated it into the Sequioa, that would be ideal. I do like the masculine exterior of the Sequioa, though. It should look utilitarian instead of like a soccer mom vehicle.
Does adaptive cruise control automatically adjust follow distance when towing a heavy (relatively) trailer? Is there a safe following distance for a needed emergency stop?
I have a 19 Tundra (same Toyota safety sense) pull a TT with it and yes it does still work. You still have all 3 distance setting I leave mine at furthest away. The adaptive cruise also his the trailer brakes when the system brakes.
Word of caution....I am a huge Toyota fan BUT Toyota needs to add a heating element to the Logo because frost will render the cruise inoperable AND also the logo needs a sprayer nozzle because salt and dirt will also render adaptive cruise inoperable.
@@mikefoehr235 I have not had this be an issue but then again I don't use cruise control in any inclement weather was always taught not to. Only to use cruise on dry pavement not even in the rain.
I would pull that trailer around empty just to show it off. That is one nice stinking trailer.
The big V8 Duramax is laughing at this test 😂
And is also ashamed of its mileage.
@@gogofastful
Nobody gets a V8 for MPGs.
If you tow a lot it’s not even a concern. At over 900 lb ft of torque I wouldn’t care about the MPGs.
I love it when Andre does jokes! His face just kicks it home!!!
Can you guys compare diesel suburban with the gas one?
Dang that was closer than I thought. I kinda anticipated the burb getting nearer to 17-18mpg on that loop.
Thanks Andre.
Curious if GM is going to change to the LZ0 new 3.0 duramax in the Yukon, Tahoe and Escalade like they did in the Silverado and the sierra that’s now 305 hp and 495 ftlbs instead of this one with 277 hp and 460 ftlbs
Love my Toyota’s, but that is good looking Suburban 🏎
I "think" it would have been better is the Suburban had been engine off while trailer was set-up including weight distribution. Then turn it on and let it accomodate with the automated air suspension. That way, both vehicles get the same treatment and the Chevy gets to use its advantage, if any, from the option.
makes no difference. Once he started lowering the trailer the hitch height was already set. Whether the compressor kicks in while lowering trailer or after it was lowered doesn't affect anything.
Can you explain your towing weight numbers? You said 7k, but that truck in stock form weighs 3,300 lbs. That trailer should be around 2k-2.2k.
I'm sure there are some mods to the truck, but probably not 1,700 lbs. worth.
Hey, you guys should do a tow test comparing the 4Runner to the Jeep Grand Cherokee. There doesn’t seem to be a tow test for the 4Runner on your channel and when researching for our next family weekend car they were the two that we were deciding between. Went with 4Runner
Excellent video as usual, forgot to add that
Another one!
Great video!
Late to this video but did the Toyota have an intergrated trailer break controller? I'll admit I asked this only after watching the first fillup
Did I see correct? Toyota still has a gas cap? Holy cow! Overall i do like their philosophy, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Too bad they are being left behind by all the competition when it comes to innovation, tech, ect...
Toyota is all about reliability…
You put "Silverado" in the description btw.
I'll wait a while to see if there's some bugs to work out of the new engine and transmission on the Chevy.
There are definitely a lot of engine and electrical bugs. I work in rental fleet and these new body styles are plagued with issues unfortunately. Wait a couple years and let GM straighten it out.
You will be waiting awhile.
Smart man.
@@DanielJaegerFilms I been wanting to rent these new 2021 suburban , but I could not find a rental company that had them. Which one do you work at that has these new 2021 suburbans
@@samiaziz2665 Enterprise, National, Alamo and Hertz have them as far as I know. Keep in mind there’s no guarantee they’ll have that actual vehicle at their location. However, if you rent from an airport location, there’s a good chance you’ll find them.
Great video!
Nice video Andre. You know you have to test your new F150 now right.
Great info! I am curious - what was the combined weight for each combo.?
The GM is a lot heavier. The Toyota counter-part would be the Tahoe and not the Suburban.
Andre’s Toyota intro reminded me of Gru from despicable me.
I still think they should do a vid on the new uramax Suburban vs an old powerstroke Excursion. See if its worth the money, or if you'd be better off with the old Excursion, with some modification money.
Will TFL test those 2 rigs on the same loop without traylers? I wonder how EPA fuel economy match the real world.
Epa test vehicles at 40-50 mph on flat roads.
@@Jv19979 That was not the point. TFL produces real world tests.
@@nevco8774 I know I'm just saying EPA does the mpg test at 40-50 mph. TFL is the only people on youtube that does good test.
Does the 3.0L V6 Duramax diesel in the suburban get way better fuel economy than the 4 cylinder 1.6L gas Infiniti QX50?
Did not realize the Sequoia has an Independent Rear Suspension.
The platinum also has adjustable air suspension
The Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, the GMC Yukon and Yukon XL, and the Cadillac Escalade account for 50% of all large SUV sales in the US. GM makes 340,000 of them every year and exports about 80,000 to 31 countries. They’re made in GM’s plant in Arlington, Texas, which is said to be the most profitable assembly plant in the world. We estimate they generate $20 billion in revenue for GM and about $4 billion in profits. Autoline Daily.
Which one felt like it pulled better?
This suburban is the King Baby . Best Large SUV for the pasts 87 years and hope to make it to 100 years befor GM goes electric
GM Garbage Manufactured
GMC Goofs Manufacturing Crap
Why does this Suburban Duramax, towing 500lbs more than the Tahoe Duramax in their other video (same 66 mile route) still get about 2-3mpg more?
How much def did the burb use. Isn't the def next to fuel knack
I wonder if that 14 mpg would improve with more break in mileage???
It will definitely not get any better than that.
@@fj400007 - It actually could, as engines get broken in their mpg tends to increase a bit.
@@dustintunis9347 never witnessed this happening on any of my vehicles.
What about factoring in the cost of topping of the DEF tank?
Best diesel and transmission combo!
Diesel was less than $3 now about a year or more later < $5. And in the spirit of honest reviews it would be helpful to show the video date stamp.
A little bit better😳..........that’s like 20% better, that’s more than a little bit! 😒🤷🏽♂️
Can't wait for the Jeep ECODIESEL vs 4xe test.
If I’m not mistaken, if that Sequoia is a platinum, it should have air ride also
Not sure you can call the Sequoia one of the “latest” SUV’s... it’s been around in its current iteration forever... pretty sure the Suburban/Tahoe have been through two redesigns since the current Sequoia debuted...
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
@@youarerightboss perhaps... but that also partially explains why the Sequoia/Tundra’s market share is miniscule compared to the Silverado/Tahoe/Expedition/F-150 etc... Toyota may be able to rest on their laurels with the 4 Runner and (especially) Tacoma, which are underpowered and undergeared relative to their competition, but they’ve got a great foothold in those segments... if they really want to take on the Big Three in full size truck and SUV sales, they’re going to have to do much better than their current offerings.
@@youarerightboss people dont buy it either.....
@@iggy-pg6gq, my person just purchased a 2021 Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro Super White two days ago. So, yes, people do buy them and they last forever.
@@youarerightboss well. My tundra begs to differ..... was in the shop at 6000km..... and not the last time either
Would of been great to see another suburban gas engine to compare with the diesel
Can you tell us the mpg of the vehicles unloaded? I.e chase vehicle I assume is the suburban for the Toyota test and the Toyotafor the suburban
I would like to know what is the most fuel efficient towing pickup truck out there? Diesel and with or without special mods? Let's say to tow a 7k plus lb camper trailer or 5th wheel.
Compensate the difference in fuel costs. Diesel costs more...cmon Andre youre the "fine details man". Id love to make a review show with you on any vehicle. I know everything about anything with wheels and a engine anyway. 👍🏼👍🏼!
Along with DEF. Fuel filters and more expensive oil changes.
Quit her boobin. Chevy won. Deal with it.
Notice at only 66 miles the sequoia was almost at half a tank of fuel. Definitely not good multiple stops on a long trip.
That must have been due to when that bit of video was shot. He said the Sequoia had a 26G tank and it only used 5.5 G.
The range may not be good on the sequoia but it will outlast that chevy by a long shot LOL.
@@christophercollard8409 Toyota are the worst. I had a 2007 FJCRUISER that was averaging the same as my 2014 F250 with 6.2 engine. Toyota engines are all anemic and are not designed to perform under load. Anybody that chooses that ugly outdated Sequoia over a Suburban is downright insane.
@@alienation-k1x range due to a massive tank. Certainly not a small 26gal tank.
@@alienation-k1x at 11mpg a full tank would go 271 miles. That's pretty easy math. So you'd really be filling up about every 200 miles. Same as a powerstroke with the 26 gallon tank towing a travel trailer or an f150 with a 23 gallon tank. For towing duty a bigger tank would be better. A stop every 3 hours is pretty average, so I'm not sure it would be a big issue.
And how much DPF crap maintenance is going to eat over the time?
Have 10k ready when that diesel needs work!
My ‘15 Platinum Sequoia has rear air suspension, The video doesn’t state that it was used to address the squat.
That sequoia has so much squat that the wheels have like 15 degrees of negative camber.
Looks like the Toyota is really squatting in the rear.
I was just about to post that
Still will outperform and outlast that shitty gm.