I mean, while it seems like hypocrisy, at the end of the day thats a good thing. Because it would be tax dollars used to constantly repair the emissions on those trucks. .
@@cyumadbrosummit3534but if you don’t have a cdl there is no point. Also if you get in a wreck with that type of weight. And no cdl your insurance company does not have to cover you.
This will never take place if the EPA gets cut in half. Non-elected officials shouldn’t have this much control over people. You get policy creep like this when they satisfied a previous goal, but still feel the need to keep moving forward. Even if the benefit is a fraction of what previous policies gained.
That is exactly what has happened in California. The absolutely microscopic reductions in emissions that are not even demonstrated with their own website numbers are certainly not worth the loss of safety and the expense to the industry
Brother in law who’s a tow truck driver was saying a lot of guys in his industry are switching to gas tow trucks because the cost and downtime because of maintenance on the diesels are so prohibitive
@@Jay-me7gwNOT in the gas 7.3l I drove! They accelerate like a 3 cylinder Yugo. Shift smooth, like everyone says. But shift so much they're ridiculously slow. Junk imo!
I worked in the air quality bureau a few years ago for a state environmental agency and one of the things we had to do was inventory pollutants that came from factory backup and fire pump diesel generators. The regulation that the EPA published on how to calculate those was incomprehensible to us. I actually called the EPA person who wrote the regulation and she was at a loss to explain it to me even when I had specific questions about specific parts of the reg. Amazing...
Cut off your emissions controls and register your diesel truck in a county without emissions requirements. For starters. Otherwise, have your DPF filters attached with a removable flange, pass emissions and remove the DPF filters and reprogram the computer. After test, remove DPF filters and carry on with life. FIND A WAY TO REPROGRAM. There's always a way around obnoxious bureaucratic regulations. Or pay full price while China, Russia AND India pollute unrestricted.
Makes you wonder who's really behind the minutiae of the regulations. If she wrote it and doesn't understand it that means someone else is giving her the information and rules.
@farmwork5304 same here. '03 five9 truck, currently undergoing a cosmetic restoration, with all Southern parts (ie: Canadian rust repair, LOL!). 543K kms (337K miles). 2nd owner, stock truck that is still running on OE injectors, IP, and turbo, and doesn't blow anything out the tailpipe. My wife is fully onboard with rebuilding the engine if it ever fails on us.
@@1oldskoolluvr my 06 is a complete rust bucket, the frame is still holding together for now but the engine runs like its brand new with 236k mi. if the frame ever gives i'll just slap the engine into another truck and keep going
Basically pushing electric or nothing by mandating 0 emissions on diesel engines. The current emissions system cleans the exhaust so good that our gas engines has more particulate on the tail pipe than my diesel did.
That wont be true once GPF's are installed though. You have all this shit on a diesel just to make it marginally cleaner than a gas motor. And I dont think GPF's will be as painful to deal with since gasoline engines run higher EGT's naturally, so they dont need to regen, or regen as often at least.
@@Jay-me7gw both im imagining eventually they/epa/manufacturer's will start DI-water/def/meth into the hot cylinder on the exhaust and or power strokes instead of leaning to much on EGR/downstream systems, im trying to avoid adding any-duty cycle egr/outside unfiltered-air as it's basically soot=sand=rebuild-needed sooner ect also might see more systems like multi-air/valves-shutting down/off and or VCR-rod''s/shuttered-pumping-piston's/no-stroke is 5~in and off=0-stroke pwm/duty's-cycle-ECU reduces the complete~ need of EGR or in my mathematics my 8v 540ci hemi's 1-cylinder is 1L so with everything it's possible ish to fooling it to act like it's a 300cc~ entire engine at idle and on freeway cursing 80mph+flatlands skipping on 1 or 2 cylinder's probably out-of-boost but even if on chooch that's 90-200~hp, full8=~900-2K hp and about equally torque numbers
My brother deleted his fleet (not a legal requirement here) at $5000/truck. No dash lights on, no drivability issues, big boost in power. Here's the real kicker: less than 5 years and the delete is paid for in fuel savings and I'd be way less is he wasn't a farmer and only runs the trucks for 4 months out of the year. EDIT: And if your truck decides to regen in a bone dry field of stubble, you can burn a field
Same my father deleted his 6.7 Powerstroke got an extra 5 MPG and dropped over 100 lb a lot of people don't realize that system also while it will keep the exhaust slightly cleaner when that regen system runs the fumes are toxic
It's never been about cleanliness, it all about slowly but surely choking the I.C.E, be it diesel or gasoline and take things to such a ridiculous level that OEM's will call it quits on their own w/o any further coercion by the government.
I wish they'd pull the egr exhaust after the DPF to eliminate the soot problem. Being such a long run back to the engine they could probably eliminate the EGR cooler as an added bonus.
In Australia we dont have to pass road worthy inspections every year. Lots of people just get a $600 flash tune to delete all the emisions, remove DPF block EGR and the engine loves it!
Manufacturers have been deliberatly underbuilding emmissions systems, they are built to break. They want you to only blame the government. They are also to blame for this. If you don't believe me, look at all the other problems on new trucks. They cut costs, planned to break dowed, and overpriced. It doesn't have to be this way.
The companies like it because these will keep you coming back to their service department and make them bank for years. If people say they're unhappy they can just blame the government.
What I see is the EPA is more critical by the exhaust given off by a factor of ten, then they are by the amount of poisons that are allowed in the food we eat!
I hope people realize the forced warranties on emissions equipment means manufacturers will design in engine & transmission failures so they die 100% for sure before emissions parts have a chance fail.
BINGO! HIGH IQ ANSWER RIGHT HERE. WAKE UP DUMBASSES. SUPPORT EDISON MOTORS, REBUILD YOU OWN DIESEL ELECTRIC HYBRID (THE BEST OF BOTH) AND LET'S REBUILD OUR OWN FLEET AND QUIT BUYING AS MUCH BS THESE AUTO COMPANIES ARE SELLING.
@@SOP83live in the pod, eat the bugs, own nothing, be happy. Yuval Noah Harari will dispense drugs and computer games to the masses in what he calls the useless eaters.
Truck prices are already insane. They'll pass these warranty costs directly onto the consumer. We'll become like Cuba with people driving and restoring older trucks.
I'm in Canada it's even worse up here with the carbon tax. I drive a 1994 dodge cumins. at my age it will likely be my last truck, I'll drive it until i can't get parts for it any more.
Depending on how the EPA winds up treating glider kits, already happening. Most of the guys I truck aggregates with are driving older rigs; you can pay the bank, or pay yourself. I wouldn't trade my '98 Pete with it's Series 60 for a brand new one - see too many sitting with Christmas lights all over the dash and in limp mode. For a sole O/O, the annual cost to maintain + lost time is prohibitive.
@@jayphillips4058never get rid of that truck. That’s a great combo. Since gliders aren’t available anymore I’m starting to see paccar engine trucks being bought up and those engines being pulled out for one of the good 3 to go in
We already are that way. It's nearly 100k for a new diesel truck, nobody is buying them to do work anymore unless they like living in eternal debt or they make millions. I'll never buy a new truck.
After they ruined diesel engines, 2007, I assembled three Macks to be shipped overseas. There were no emissions systems on those trucks at all, so other countries don't have to go through any of this nonsense. Rules for thee, not rules for me.
The 6.6 gas my dad’s got in his Chevy 2500 needs a new engine now because one of the cylinders grenaded the engine, disappointing to me. I had more faith than they did that it would have been a good option. Warranty will fix it, but damn.
@@erikkovacs3097 Sure, but no EGR, SCR, and gas engines produce a small fraction of the soot that diesels do, so the GPF isn't really an issue. They have been in Europe for a while already, failures are pretty much unheard of.
It's no longer about emissions or health, it's all about restricting internal combustion engines to a point where they are no longer viable and only EVs can comply.
Diesel particulate matter is about health. It can enter your cells and cause organelle changes within your cells. I know you don’t want to hear that, but it’s true.
The EPA has ruined modern vehicles, especially in the diesel category. I wouldn’t spend my hard earned money on a diesel now, only to have the dash light up like a Christmas tree with check engine and warning lights. I’m all for keeping the air we breathe clean, but this is ridiculous.
for what new diesel pickups cost now up to 100k, I'd rather put $ into a 5.9 Cummins dodge they now have Allison transmission conversion kits, that would be a great match
You should talk about scania trucks apparently from what I've seen they don't even run EGRs on their diesels just the particle filter be interesting if you did a little episode on the advancements they're making.
when the manufactures want to the can find good ways to meet emissions. the problem is this costs extra money and they dont really care about their customers so they go the easy route. EGR is a great example of this. if a DPF is fitted why dont they use the filter exhaust to put back into the engine? Caterpillar did on the last of their on highway engines.
2:28 some DOC's (example, for FPT engines in CNH farm/construction machinery, Iveco trucks) are also designed to change the balance of nitrogen oxide and dioxide, something to do with a certain ratio being better for the reaction further down in the SCR. "Better living through chemistry" as someone used to say.
The high output powerstroke is a $12,000 upgrade currently? I’d wager it’s gonna be $18,000 in 2027. You’re paying for a lot more equipment and a long ass warranty.
The EPA is only making rules and regulations for the 💰 not the environment. They don't GAF about the environment they just want the money that it'll will bring in their pockets.
I would like to hear you comment on Mazda's new 3.3 diesel. Always appreciate your logical approach to these industry wide trends. Keep up the great work!!
I love your Certified Dirty Idle sticker! And great point about Caterpillar - they infuriated the teenage me at the time, but in hindsight, I think they knew what they were doing. Time to sue the EPA... again. I hope all manufacturers pull a VW. Honestly what the EPA is pushing is insanity. They just hate diesels for no reason, despite them being cleaner than gas engines.
I really like my Cummins, I have a N14 in my 1992 fld120 and a M11 in my 1996 Pete 385, good old trucks, but I run a 12.7 Detroit in my 1999 century, as you can tell I don't care one thing about any new truck on the road, I just keep trying to find old trucks that aren't used up yet
Alex. I believe the Scandinavian truck “Scania” does not use a EGR system but they actually meet our emissions standards. Why are North American manufacturers not doing what they’re doing??
Because the people designing the engines have no imagination they read a regulation and then try to change everything else but the engine or the tuning. They need to understand the combustion engine and how it works, but all they want to do is draw pictures and make new tooling.
@@Expedition18 The new ones have to meet Tier 4 emission standards. Currently, most of them are doing that by using heavy amounts of EGR along with other equipment to lower particulate emissions. Most U.S. railroads have resisted using DEF/SCR because they don't want to install the facilities for replenishing DEF along their systems. The Tier 4 locomotives burn more fuel, require more maintenance, and will likely require more frequent engine overhauls. Some local commuter railroads and Amtrak have started using using Siemens locomotives that do use DEF/SCR. They have been plagued with reliability problems.
Ford better crank up their Godzilla production to meet the demand. GM should seriously consider a proper replacement for the Vortec 8100 as well. The popularity of the Ford 7.3L is proof there is waning interest in diesels since this ridiculous HP war and one-upmanship has ruined the durability and economy diesels once had. The increase in emissions regulations is finishing them off by destroying the simplicity and reliability factors, leaving diesel with little appeal except for serious users/hotshots.
Agreed, I think Ford got the memo and the 7.3L, it can tow a ton of weight and people like them. Yes maybe not great fuel economy but these modern diesels aren't getting great fuel economy either. Unless you truly need to tow heavy weight a HD gasser is the more economical route.
I have 03 chevy with 8.1, love it never getting rid of it. I can repair it easy. I never want any truck with def !! when check engine light comes on, my butt cheeks would pucker up knowing the F job coming to repair!!!
When doin deliveries in a FedUps Semi truck, it's always a pain randomly having to pull off to the side of the road for a mandatory regen. Great and efficient emissions standards!
I be lovin’ my ‘07, 5.9 L Cummins with 200K on it, no DEF to freeze when it is -25F, I’ve had it for 7 years now, and at age 71, I can probably drive it as long as I can drive before I am too old.
Gasoline particulate filters are reportedly already in the USA on ‘25 Lincoln Nautilus and whatever the Ford version is. Also, great job on the explanation of the systems and upcoming changes. There is one other part of the new regs I’ll also mention, there’s a requirement that manufacturers increase security in the computer systems to prevent unauthorized tampering. Think there’s also a provision to make “limp mode” (running out of DEF) less dangerous. Like no longer reducing speed to a ridiculously low #.
I know where I am in Alberta I had one of my trucks ( sort of pre emissions 2005 Cat C15 ) in an independent shop and he said he does lots of weight loss programs on Cummins trucks as its a constant battle with emissions related issues side lining trucks and since Cummins is one of the major engines in trucks in the area, that is why that brand comes into his shop more than anything else. The emissions Cat trucks wiped out those that owned them as you know as that was one clusterfak !.
Well extending the warranty will serve as a big deterrent to deleting - UNLESS - the 10 year warranty ONLY covers some of the new and or additional pollution control devices. I just can't see the big 3 warrantying the powertrain / rotating mass that long. The cost upfront would just be guessing for them when calculating up to 10 years from now. BUT it WOULD make them reconsider durability and reliability to a much greater degree and maybe encourage aftermarket companies into manufacturing more parts again.......
Excellent and comprehensive video. The only downside was the 'background' music. In mopinion, it added nothing but detracted a lot. Otherwise fab and very interesting. Thanks.
I wouldn't be surprised if these regulations generate lawsuits, especially with the recent SCOUS ruling which changed the relationship between the EPA and industry.
Honestly? If I was one of the big 3 light duty/medium duty manufacturers (GM 2500-6500, Ford F250-F600 and Ram 2500-5500) I would be developing a gasoline hybrid or gas PHEV HD pickup. Think Ford F150 Powerboost but with an NA V8 instead of a boosted one. It would deliver on diesel like power and acceleration and towing without the diesel emissions equipment attached to it and if the battery were big enough, would provide some degree of EV power only which means zero emissions when doing so. The diesel spec parts could be used to handle all the power as well. Only downfall to hybrid/PHEV would be the weight gain but that might not 100% get to current diesel pickup weights. I see a lot of HD truck customers at work who buy diesel and end up trading on gas or heck, even 1500s because they don't need it.
Why? The government invested money both with our taxes and thru their own investments (insider Trading) on the whole EV movement. That's the push. And any hybrid, hydrogen, etc they don't give 2 shits about and would just come up with even more emissions regulations for those as well. If they cared truly about environment, an EV would be the last thing to 'save' it.
350/250 ford diesel PHEV HD pickup yes i can see that as a valid marketing choice as long as it's basically up full-sized power-boost functionality and or can be used for camping or worksite generated electricity ect ranchers i now had to drag 1-ton plus tow 2-trailer's and or used up bed-space ectand 1/2-ton models weren't big-enough to tow things like the water/seed-tow ect, and there's points were you moved 100~yards and shut off for 15m's~ and then moving again and or city drive BEV-mode can do a better job than pure-IEC can
funny when people think hybrids will deliver constant power for towing. Watch some reviews on the Tundra hybrid towing system. It runs out of steam on long uphill pulls. Hybrid batteries have limited capacity.
The most common issues I run into with the heavy duty (mostly cummins/paccar) diesel after treatment systems are breaking DEF line fittings (garbage plastic), DEF tank vents plugging with crystallized urea, wiring rubbing and shorting out or breaking, and failed sensors.
I wish they would've gone by way of dual fuel instead of the complicated setup of DPF, EGR, and SCR. I can almost guarantee you using LPG or CNG would do a better job by burning the fuel thoroughly lowering emissions and soot. Just my thoughts.
There's no infrastructure for LNG or CNG. LNG is cryogenic which is super problematic for storage and handling, also it has to be turned into a gas before it can be injected into the cylinder which is another problem in itself. CNG is easier to manage, but the established underground pipes delivers the gas at very low pressure (
@Rayden440 there already is an infrastructure for natural gas (not sure if it's LNG or CNG), and there are some semis that run on it. There are some fueling stations for semis that run on it.
@ There’s like 1 for the entire city of Toronto where I live. If you call that “infrastructure” idk what to tell you. There’s hundreds of diesel pumps as a comparison
Def waste from all those boxes, extra metal that needs to be made, and trucks that get trashed way earlier than they need to because of the emissions standards. But I’m sure the EPA isn’t tracking those stats
I wonder if someone could calculate the carbon footprint on DEF and this new system vs not having them. To include, generation of materials, production, distribution and the extra fuel necessary to run them.
During my Cummins training for CM 2150 through CM2350, my instructor told us that the stink that comes out the pipe During a regen is iso cyanide gas. Not regulated by the EPA. Traded 1 deadly gas for another to avoid regulation. I'm no chemist, but he was making sense that day. Don't hang out with the regen too long.dont nap in the bunk during regen. Small exhaust leak could kill you
I dont believe that gasoline engines with particulate filters really need to regen because they naturally have higher EGT's. My Ecoboost would hit 1800-1900* EGT's.
@@jackylsmith8138 1900* though? Cause I know the 3.0 Duramax starts cutting power at about 1500-1600*. And on the older diesels from the early 2000’s people were freaking out about anything over 1300 on the pyrometers. Turbo Gasoline direct injected motors usually have their exhaust manifolds integrated into the cylinder head with a water jacket and use stainless steel turbine housings and don’t have to worry about baking the variable geometry components
Hopefully all the manufacturers take GM’s approach on their 3.0 diesel and put the EGR pickup on the leaving side of the DPF to help remove soot entering your intake. As for the EPA we may all hate it but the main reason we got the best diesel engines of all time like the P pump 12V and 7.3 power stroke was because manufacturers had to innovate to meet their emissions standard. Unfortunately those same standards killed those engines but then we got the 24V common rail and now the 6.7HO with 500 hp. It’s not all bad.
there isnt really pumping losses in a diesel since there is no throttle plate. In fact, at least on the diesels i have seen, they have to add a throttle plate specifically to make it so the engine draws from the EGR instead of the intake. What you are saying really only applies to gasoline engines that drive at part throttle with the manifold in vacuum most of the time. Yeah the 3.0 duramax does have a low pressure EGR but I believe its use is limited to only certain situations. It still has a high pressure EGR.
Yeah the 7.3 and the 12V there are still a ton of both out there running around. I have 12V p-pump and a 24V VP pump. A 28 and a 23 year old truck still doing farm work hauling hay cattle, equipment. I bet these over loaded emissions high horse power truck won’t last as long as those old girls.
Do these new regulations are applied to Trains, Big Cargos that sail all over the oceans and big aircrafts that flie all over our skies. . .? ? ? ? And how about the volcanos that are waking up these days ? ?
If they’re going to get that tough screw the 7.2 do an aluminum version of the 8.3 Cummins since it’s easier to make emissions compliance on a bigger motor
@ why not wagler blocks handle more power than any cast iron block currently available they could make it stronger than cast Cummins blocks that we have now plus the 8.3 Cummins is like 900lbs heavier than the 6.7
Aluminimum engines don't last as long as cast iron engines. And aluminimum production is more toxic than steel. Yes you save some wieght but at what cost. Temperature expansion is a big factor in engine life.
@ I’ve seen ls motors go over 400 thousand miles get rebuilt and continue on I don’t see reliability being an issue the emissions are going give you a problem long before a block or head failure
I'm fairly certain the chevron deference ruling in the Supreme Court will provide an avenue for people to countersue on these rules. They cannot haphazardly make up rules as a bureaucratic entity any longer
My work truck is a 2022 Freightliner with the Cummins L9 and literally the ONLY problem that truck has is the DPF system. Not to mention that truck is seemingly regening the filter just about every other day.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you, but increasing fuel consumption slightly for the emissions systems does NOT increase emissions.
Edison motors uploaded a video about how they intend to use Scania engines in their trucks. They specifically mentioned one reason why is the engine won't be required to run DPF, and other such systems such as DEF. Why? Because the engines are so efficient that by north American standards they're not required to run more emissions equipment. So I ask everyone to please remember, if the big manufacturers cared, they would design engines which don't require all this crap, but they don't, they want to sell your their junk and all the parts related to their emissions systems. the reason companies are getting away with this type of BS is because people keep buying them and parts for them! they're milking the population for money, while intentionally creating the minimal quality of product needed to sell. Take a stand for yourself if you have any pride and find a used vehicle and fix it better than new, rather than settling for their subpar quality.
The addition of the 48v heater system makes adding a 48v mild hybrid that can also take the place of the starter and easy upgrade, and Cummins has been hiring 48v motor engineers, so I would expect that to be coming and possibly a complete switch over to 48v electrics at some point
I work for a gm dealership as a tech. I can cofirm, the new diesels are too complex, and choked up to be good anymore. I think diesel days are numbered for passenger trucks, unfortunately.
I love how we all have to abide by these rules, but the government does not have to. It’s all about control…. It’s such BS, cause now I’m definitely not gonna bother buying a diesel, but will have stick with a gas engine that’s not capable of pulling as much.
@@Jay-me7gw well over 30k, my truck is only capable of doing 14k and my license only allows me to do up to do up to 26k I think it is, I started a business and this is the second year I’ve had it and it’s been picking up, I need to be able to pull bigger loads on top of the driving distance. Edit: it’s quite annoying I have to waste time to do 4-6 loads.
@@skiiermav a heavy duty one is what I need, the 6.7 would suffice. And no not the SO but what should be using if not a pickup truck? Idk what regular would be, I just need to pull that atleast 40-50 times a year.
@@TheAudi585 That sort of weight puts you pretty firmly in Class 5 and up truck territory. Think a Ram 5500/equivalent or bigger. Also keep in mind if you're talking about Gross Combined Vehicle Weight (GCVW) or towing weight. If it were me I'd be thinking pretty hard about getting a semi truck setup instead.
When I look at it like this it’s actually super cool how they made these thing work and how they turn exhaust gases into nitrogen and water(I think) with DEF. Just sucks that you gotta keep all this stuff in mind to drive your diesel around
The EPA needs to be disbarred and disbanded just like the NFA this is what the American people voted for so they should get it done we don't need this extra bull crap wasting time and costing more money for only the American people while the rest of the world gets to do whatever the hell they want without any repercussions that we end up actually paying for As Americans
@ that’s fine, I drive my trucks into the ground. When it’s time for it to retire, off to the scrap yard. It wouldn’t have any resale value by the time I was done with it anyway
That's what the mandated higher warranty on emissions equipment does. Kind of like how in gas cars the standard warranty is 3y/36k miles but in states that follow CARB standards all emissions components carry an 80k/8y warranty (all the way up to 150k/15y for some components).
@@knotical689 They're after whatever they need to be after in order to convince you not to buy one, and eventually the manufacturers not to make one. PERIOD.
As a heavy duty diesel mechanic myself, I can say that everything said here is 100% accurate. 90% of the problems on a modern diesel engine that I see, involve the after treatment system .But like the man says. Buckle up because it's going to get a lot worse.
Thanks for a nice video I did not know diesel well at all been a gasoline driver of my whole life. Don’t do a ton of hauling. My limited knowledge of diesel is that it cost more supposed to give better fuel efficiency, but a lot of government regulations hurt that fuel efficient see I hear oil changes are expensive as they take a lot of oil. I’ve heard from some Family wants on the Lexus a high compression engine vehicle and was forced to buy premium gas. I can say my families not excited about ever doing this again. Cost of living is high and it’s not going down. Look at the good news if you’re a diesel mechanic I’m pretty sure you have a good stable job
The way out of these things is fundamentally improving the combustion event. Speed of Air Engine Technologies are doing just that with their pistons. Just check it out!
Many years ago a man patented a “Air Centrifugation Device” to separate intake nitrogen from the intake air of internal combustion engines using a device similar to a centrifugal compressor (front half of a turbo). The result was higher percentage of oxygen (better fuel burn) and reduced NOX
Since the requirement is “per horsepower” one of the simplest way is to raise the peak RPM. The small 3 liter engines have doubled their HP but the ten speed transmissions avoid this peak to get long life.
Don' forget that CARB restrictions are more harsh than the EPA and there are a bunch of states looking to adopt CARB standards over the next couple of years. Also, do not forget Cummins has the gasoline 6.7 coming to the medium duty market. At point in time on gas cars the catalytic converters had federally controlled warranty of something like 7 years/80000 miles. I only remember that because I had go bad at 79600 miles and got it covered under warranty.
Get ready for $140,000 trucks that are less reliable. If I manufactured diesel engines, I would cut out production in the US and focus on markets like China and India, where they don't have this insanity.
This is the sort of thing that I'd expect to see if someone wanted to regulate stuff out of existence without technically banning it.
That’s exactly how they plan to force everyone into a Tesla.
Thats how they are pushing us in EU over to electric cars,
Thankfully Supreme Court and Trump are going to stop this!
@@TheGrindcorps One would hope. But both Trump and SCOTUS are perfectly capable of disappointing you and me.
Same with guns
I bet the government's trucks will not have any of this crap on their trucks.
they dont. none of them
Just hauled two brand new government toys with turbo diesels and no DEF or restrictions.
@@TruckinBeaglestart posting to youtube about them
Start making videos on them and show the people
I mean, while it seems like hypocrisy, at the end of the day thats a good thing. Because it would be tax dollars used to constantly repair the emissions on those trucks. .
A 7.3 powerstroke or a 5.9 cummins sounds really good right now.
I got the 07 5.9 and I’ll never get rid of that truck.
Your crazy, all the new trucks are 500hp (stock) and can tow 30k.
It’s great! My 98 Cummins 12 valve still easily tows everything I own without worrying about all of this garbage.
@@cyumadbrosummit3534but if you don’t have a cdl there is no point. Also if you get in a wreck with that type of weight. And no cdl your insurance company does not have to cover you.
I'll never sell my 7.3
This will never take place if the EPA gets cut in half. Non-elected officials shouldn’t have this much control over people. You get policy creep like this when they satisfied a previous goal, but still feel the need to keep moving forward. Even if the benefit is a fraction of what previous policies gained.
lets hope Trump does that too much oversight on too many things
@@jhonsiders6077don't hold your breath
While they can get good reason to spend taxpayer money to enforce it😂more money = more power in government settings. These power hungry bastards
What he said..
That is exactly what has happened in California. The absolutely microscopic reductions in emissions that are not even demonstrated with their own website numbers are certainly not worth the loss of safety and the expense to the industry
The day I understood that an EGR system is effectively force-feeding an engine its own excrement was the day the EPA had a new hater.
Your lack of education does not change the complexities of the world around you. EGR reduces pumping losses for low power applications around 30%.
I deleted mine
@@michaelschuler7397what’s your license plate number?
Cry harder..? @@ShainAndrews
Insurance companies in Australia have been denying claims if they find you have removed the dpf, even the egr
Brother in law who’s a tow truck driver was saying a lot of guys in his industry are switching to gas tow trucks because the cost and downtime because of maintenance on the diesels are so prohibitive
And because the new gas engines and 10 speeds preform really well. This isnt 2002 when we had 4 and 5 speed transmissions and V8's making
Not 2:23 @@Jay-me7gw
Not Chevy 10 speed trans huge recalls on them & more comeing
@@BryanRichardson-s3v Ford has several recalls on theirs too.
@@Jay-me7gwNOT in the gas 7.3l I drove! They accelerate like a 3 cylinder Yugo. Shift smooth, like everyone says. But shift so much they're ridiculously slow. Junk imo!
The EPA is out of control!!!
The EPA needs to be completely erased.
Yes they are
Abolish the EPA.
by design. Trump has a plan for them...
@@alansloan7784 Trump is talking about doing just that.
We need to cut out government spending by 1,000%
Epa? Abuerta!!
We need to reduce Government employees by 50% each year for ten years!!!
cancel the epa 1-20-25 can't happen quick enough
Just a money making scam getting worse! Warranties are bull also, they are always giving crap reasons why they won't cover it
@@garybulwinkle82 Be careful what you wish for, you would be surprised how that would affect your life. I support limiting EPA's overstep.
I worked in the air quality bureau a few years ago for a state environmental agency and one of the things we had to do was inventory pollutants that came from factory backup and fire pump diesel generators. The regulation that the EPA published on how to calculate those was incomprehensible to us. I actually called the EPA person who wrote the regulation and she was at a loss to explain it to me even when I had specific questions about specific parts of the reg. Amazing...
Not at all surprised
She probably holds a double major in theater and English literature. Maybe a minor in women's studies.
SHE was a loss. That was the operative word in that sentence, "she". SHE was almost certainly a DEI hire who had
Cut off your emissions controls and register your diesel truck in a county without emissions requirements.
For starters.
Otherwise, have your DPF filters attached with a removable flange, pass emissions and remove the DPF filters and reprogram the computer. After test, remove DPF filters and carry on with life.
FIND A WAY TO REPROGRAM.
There's always a way around obnoxious bureaucratic regulations.
Or pay full price while China, Russia AND India pollute unrestricted.
Makes you wonder who's really behind the minutiae of the regulations. If she wrote it and doesn't understand it that means someone else is giving her the information and rules.
Wait till you start seeing brake dust collection systems.
Yeah, I don’t think I will ever get rid of my 03 5.9 250,000 miles and I will rebuild it when the day comes
Be worth a frame replacement if it rusted away, at this point you’d be money ahead doing that.
Keep taking care of it. I have an 01 with 436,000 on it!
you aint never gonna need to rebuild it lol, at the most you'll need a new body or frame.
@farmwork5304 same here. '03 five9 truck, currently undergoing a cosmetic restoration, with all Southern parts (ie: Canadian rust repair, LOL!). 543K kms (337K miles). 2nd owner, stock truck that is still running on OE injectors, IP, and turbo, and doesn't blow anything out the tailpipe. My wife is fully onboard with rebuilding the engine if it ever fails on us.
@@1oldskoolluvr my 06 is a complete rust bucket, the frame is still holding together for now but the engine runs like its brand new with 236k mi. if the frame ever gives i'll just slap the engine into another truck and keep going
Basically pushing electric or nothing by mandating 0 emissions on diesel engines. The current emissions system cleans the exhaust so good that our gas engines has more particulate on the tail pipe than my diesel did.
That wont be true once GPF's are installed though. You have all this shit on a diesel just to make it marginally cleaner than a gas motor. And I dont think GPF's will be as painful to deal with since gasoline engines run higher EGT's naturally, so they dont need to regen, or regen as often at least.
@@Jay-me7gw both im imagining eventually they/epa/manufacturer's will start DI-water/def/meth into the hot cylinder on the exhaust and or power strokes instead of leaning to much on EGR/downstream systems, im trying to avoid adding any-duty cycle egr/outside unfiltered-air as it's basically soot=sand=rebuild-needed sooner ect
also might see more systems like multi-air/valves-shutting down/off and or VCR-rod''s/shuttered-pumping-piston's/no-stroke is 5~in and off=0-stroke pwm/duty's-cycle-ECU reduces the complete~ need of EGR or in my mathematics my 8v 540ci hemi's 1-cylinder is 1L so with everything it's possible ish to fooling it to act like it's a 300cc~ entire engine at idle and on freeway cursing 80mph+flatlands skipping on 1 or 2 cylinder's probably out-of-boost but even if on chooch that's 90-200~hp, full8=~900-2K hp and about equally torque numbers
What's the unknown effect on human health. Smells like death. Gas engines don't kill you as diesel does. F the EPA!
yeah that's why particulate filters are coming to gas shortly.
Diesel particulate is much more carcinogenic than gasoline particulate.
Follow the money. It’s not about clean air, it’s about creating new revenue streams by regulation.
Exactly. They made a billion dollar industry with this crap. It’s always about the money.
Bingo
Fuckin a right buddy!!!!!!
The def producers can sure say that.
It's not just about money they want to regulate us out of our big trucks they want us all living in 15 minute cities
My brother deleted his fleet (not a legal requirement here) at $5000/truck. No dash lights on, no drivability issues, big boost in power. Here's the real kicker: less than 5 years and the delete is paid for in fuel savings and I'd be way less is he wasn't a farmer and only runs the trucks for 4 months out of the year.
EDIT: And if your truck decides to regen in a bone dry field of stubble, you can burn a field
Same my father deleted his 6.7 Powerstroke got an extra 5 MPG and dropped over 100 lb a lot of people don't realize that system also while it will keep the exhaust slightly cleaner when that regen system runs the fumes are toxic
Next the EPA might require you to spray your field with DEF before the diesel exhaust burns your fields.
@@MrNobody2828 I wouldn't put it past the idiots.
Arkansas mechanic here, 6 field fires in the last 2 years started by truck regen. thats just local.
@Squints-xg5ro at the minimum there needs to be an ag exemption. Health and safety reasons.
These regulations are clearly meant to underhandedly ban personal vehicles, it has nothing to do with clean air.
YOU are the carbon they are trying to reduce
If you look into the groups backing these regulations this is clearly their agenda
I think the biggest joke is burning fuel to keep an already partial exhaust restriction clean ! 6 regens a day is 3 gals of fuel wasted !
3 gallons gets my 1.9 tdi 210+ miles
Lmfao my truck does a regen every 24 engine hours so about once every 2 weeks.
Its a damn shame regulations are killing the diesel engine.
I think that is about to change very soon once new administration gets in.
Or makes them better
@@BrianNC81we can only hope!
@@trialsted Let's hope there's even a chance of a leap in technology to get there before the industry goes under
put $50 000 just on emissions on my truck and it still had problems,got rid of it and got a glider with a c12 and never had a problem since
It's never been about cleanliness, it all about slowly but surely choking the I.C.E, be it diesel or gasoline and take things to such a ridiculous level that OEM's will call it quits on their own w/o any further coercion by the government.
Hit the nail on the head
It's about deliberately making the economics of the internal combustion engine non-viable.
Been doing the same thing with tobacco, just about control
@@gregorymalchuk272the economics are already unviable at scale, that’s sort of the point.
@@Joebauers2505 except engines doesnt magically cause cancer like cigarettes do, one is long form suicide
I wish they'd pull the egr exhaust after the DPF to eliminate the soot problem. Being such a long run back to the engine they could probably eliminate the EGR cooler as an added bonus.
that's actually a clever idea
Caterpillar did that it almost never had issues with clogging up
Listen jist as these guys say, nothing to do with efficiency or longevity. All about control and money money money
International has a new engine that eliminates the EGR cooler altogether. Curious to see how that works out in the long run
@@connorlee478 how do they bring down the Nox then?
In Australia we dont have to pass road worthy inspections every year. Lots of people just get a $600 flash tune to delete all the emisions, remove DPF block EGR and the engine loves it!
Most states don’t have inspections either
Of you have an accident your insurer may deny payout of you have modified emissions systems, it's happened to a lot of people now
@@jarrod1687stealerships are denying covering motors if they test the gas and it's not perfect.
We have yearly inspections in Pa.
It's really stupid bc all it does is cost you money.
@@Webedunnwell yeah, if you modify an engine outside of factory spec that's an easy out for the manufacturer.
Sounds like a lot of either bankruptcies or manufacturers refusing to build them. They are already unafordable.
Manufacturers have been deliberatly underbuilding emmissions systems, they are built to break.
They want you to only blame the government. They are also to blame for this. If you don't believe me, look at all the other problems on new trucks. They cut costs, planned to break dowed, and overpriced.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Impossible standards need to be challenged and/or ignored.
The companies like it because these will keep you coming back to their service department and make them bank for years. If people say they're unhappy they can just blame the government.
The government should be forced to use the same shit they mandate for the public on their engines
they will no problem because you are gonna pay for it all through taxes!
The only exemption is military.
Yes and no, military vehicles used in combat should not be required to have emissions equipment. Not that we should be going to war anyway...
For the most part they do.
@@DoRC Not really, every diesel truck I have ever seen that is government owned has no emissions.
You said it best...the EPA wants to price diesel engines (really all engines) out of the market in favor of "green energy" alternatives.
What I see is the EPA is more critical by the exhaust given off by a factor of ten, then they are by the amount of poisons that are allowed in the food we eat!
I hope people realize the forced warranties on emissions equipment means manufacturers will design in engine & transmission failures so they die 100% for sure before emissions parts have a chance fail.
EVs have no forced warranties on their batteries. The hypocrisy is literally criminal and the slugs at the EPA deserve what is coming to them.
Planned obsolescence
Nah, they'll just add $10k to the price to cover the failures.
@@OtisFlint25k more like it
They don't want us driving, ever, that's all it amounts to....
I guess we have to get a horse now.
BINGO! HIGH IQ ANSWER RIGHT HERE. WAKE UP DUMBASSES. SUPPORT EDISON MOTORS, REBUILD YOU OWN DIESEL ELECTRIC HYBRID (THE BEST OF BOTH) AND LET'S REBUILD OUR OWN FLEET AND QUIT BUYING AS MUCH BS THESE AUTO COMPANIES ARE SELLING.
Do they expect me to ride my cow before I eat it?
I really think they don't want anyone to ever leave their house. They want us stuck in some kinda virtual reality like the matrix.
@@SOP83live in the pod, eat the bugs, own nothing, be happy.
Yuval Noah Harari will dispense drugs and computer games to the masses in what he calls the useless eaters.
Truck prices are already insane. They'll pass these warranty costs directly onto the consumer. We'll become like Cuba with people driving and restoring older trucks.
I'm in Canada it's even worse up here with the carbon tax. I drive a 1994 dodge cumins. at my age it will likely be my last truck, I'll drive it until i can't get parts for it any more.
Depending on how the EPA winds up treating glider kits, already happening. Most of the guys I truck aggregates with are driving older rigs; you can pay the bank, or pay yourself. I wouldn't trade my '98 Pete with it's Series 60 for a brand new one - see too many sitting with Christmas lights all over the dash and in limp mode. For a sole O/O, the annual cost to maintain + lost time is prohibitive.
Should be like Cuba anyways. Stop buying new junk
@@jayphillips4058never get rid of that truck. That’s a great combo. Since gliders aren’t available anymore I’m starting to see paccar engine trucks being bought up and those engines being pulled out for one of the good 3 to go in
We already are that way. It's nearly 100k for a new diesel truck, nobody is buying them to do work anymore unless they like living in eternal debt or they make millions. I'll never buy a new truck.
The new 48v alternator and grid heater on the DOC replaces the extra fuel dosing on the X15, mpgs are to go up by 5-6% starting on the 2026/2027 X15.
After they ruined diesel engines, 2007, I assembled three Macks to be shipped overseas. There were no emissions systems on those trucks at all, so other countries don't have to go through any of this nonsense. Rules for thee, not rules for me.
Very soon we will see a majority of 2500/3500 customers switching back to the 6.4 hemi, 7.3 godzilla, and the GM big block gasser
Didn't you watch the video? Gasoline particulate filters are coming to those engines too. So you can't get away from it.
@@erikkovacs3097still will be better. No soot for gas
The 6.6 gas my dad’s got in his Chevy 2500 needs a new engine now because one of the cylinders grenaded the engine, disappointing to me. I had more faith than they did that it would have been a good option. Warranty will fix it, but damn.
I got a 6.6 gas its not a big block its same size as a 6.0 ls . I love mine
@@erikkovacs3097 Sure, but no EGR, SCR, and gas engines produce a small fraction of the soot that diesels do, so the GPF isn't really an issue. They have been in Europe for a while already, failures are pretty much unheard of.
It's no longer about emissions or health, it's all about restricting internal combustion engines to a point where they are no longer viable and only EVs can comply.
Diesel particulate matter is about health. It can enter your cells and cause organelle changes within your cells. I know you don’t want to hear that, but it’s true.
The EPA has ruined modern vehicles, especially in the diesel category. I wouldn’t spend my hard earned money on a diesel now, only to have the dash light up like a Christmas tree with check engine and warning lights. I’m all for keeping the air we breathe clean, but this is ridiculous.
ain't just "vehicles", it's construction equipment, it's tractors, farm equipment, generators, lots of stuff
@@turbojoe9554 do believe farm equipment should be exempted from emissions like the government.
for what new diesel pickups cost now up to 100k, I'd rather put $ into a 5.9 Cummins dodge they now have Allison transmission conversion kits, that would be a great match
Makes me want to keep my 2002 7.3 Excursion more and more every day.
@@TempshoI have a 6.0 excursion and it’s not going anywhere
5.9 and an Allison in a Ford chassis would be godly.
EGR also clogs up your intake and can blow your engine up.
EGR also lowers your power
EGR also makes you use more fuel...
Yes but it also depends on the manufacturer how it’s used, some brands used EGR with coolant to prevent clogging in the first place
Egr will wear the piston rings much faster.
I would think post Chevron being overturned the EPA would no longer have the authority to issue new regulations without congressional approval 🤔
Exactly
Correct
100%
Except the manufacturers don’t have the balls to ignore California.
@@alexbrown604 more like they won't ignore that big of a market.
You should talk about scania trucks apparently from what I've seen they don't even run EGRs on their diesels just the particle filter be interesting if you did a little episode on the advancements they're making.
when the manufactures want to the can find good ways to meet emissions. the problem is this costs extra money and they dont really care about their customers so they go the easy route. EGR is a great example of this. if a DPF is fitted why dont they use the filter exhaust to put back into the engine? Caterpillar did on the last of their on highway engines.
@@alexmoloney1560 you would be pulling ash into the engine then....
i know no friend who did not block that EGR shit on their BMW 330Ds and everyone passes the german emmissions even 10 years after with the same dpf
@@florakoyens2555 EGR will always be invisible to TUV gas testing, because they cannot accurately measure NOX when the car is stationary.
Yeah, I just saw a RUclipsr that got scania to import the first semi to the us for testing here.
2:28 some DOC's (example, for FPT engines in CNH farm/construction machinery, Iveco trucks) are also designed to change the balance of nitrogen oxide and dioxide, something to do with a certain ratio being better for the reaction further down in the SCR. "Better living through chemistry" as someone used to say.
I see fpt engines with no DPF in 2024
HD trucks gonna be EVEN more expensive now
The high output powerstroke is a $12,000 upgrade currently? I’d wager it’s gonna be $18,000 in 2027. You’re paying for a lot more equipment and a long ass warranty.
@@slscamga non emissions diesel doesn’t need warranty.
And who do you suppose is going to bear the extra cost of these systems? We are, the trucking companies can not absorb that cost alone.
The reason why I will own my 06 duramax until I croak, or have it until the government pries it from my dead cold hands.
95% of which get groceries and drive to work, not for work
The EPA is only making rules and regulations for the 💰 not the environment. They don't GAF about the environment they just want the money that it'll will bring in their pockets.
If the environment was important to them CAFE regulations and the chicken tax preventing small trucks from being built would be repealed.
The reality is pollution was defeated forty years ago, this nonsense is not cost effective for its supposed benefit.
Honest question, I have seen someone say this before, how would the EPA be profiting from tightening emissions regulations?
@@danielwinn7108they don’t. The only way would be kickbacks from industry, but the regulations are moving in the opposite way for that to be the case.
You buy trucks from the EPA? Where is their dealership?
Wealth of information. Much Appreciated!
I would like to hear you comment on Mazda's new 3.3 diesel. Always appreciate your logical approach to these industry wide trends. Keep up the great work!!
I love your Certified Dirty Idle sticker! And great point about Caterpillar - they infuriated the teenage me at the time, but in hindsight, I think they knew what they were doing.
Time to sue the EPA... again. I hope all manufacturers pull a VW. Honestly what the EPA is pushing is insanity. They just hate diesels for no reason, despite them being cleaner than gas engines.
I really like my Cummins, I have a N14 in my 1992 fld120 and a M11 in my 1996 Pete 385, good old trucks, but I run a 12.7 Detroit in my 1999 century, as you can tell I don't care one thing about any new truck on the road, I just keep trying to find old trucks that aren't used up yet
Alex. I believe the Scandinavian truck “Scania” does not use a EGR system but they actually meet our emissions standards.
Why are North American manufacturers not doing what they’re doing??
Because Scania doesn't sell trucks in North America, and European emissions standards are not as strict.
Scania does sell engines that are compliant with Canadian standards without EGR at least, but not the trucks themselves.
Because the people designing the engines have no imagination they read a regulation and then try to change everything else but the engine or the tuning. They need to understand the combustion engine and how it works, but all they want to do is draw pictures and make new tooling.
What about diesel/electric locomotives?
@@Expedition18 The new ones have to meet Tier 4 emission standards. Currently, most of them are doing that by using heavy amounts of EGR along with other equipment to lower particulate emissions. Most U.S. railroads have resisted using DEF/SCR because they don't want to install the facilities for replenishing DEF along their systems. The Tier 4 locomotives burn more fuel, require more maintenance, and will likely require more frequent engine overhauls. Some local commuter railroads and Amtrak have started using using Siemens locomotives that do use DEF/SCR. They have been plagued with reliability problems.
Ford better crank up their Godzilla production to meet the demand.
GM should seriously consider a proper replacement for the Vortec 8100 as well. The popularity of the Ford 7.3L is proof there is waning interest in diesels since this ridiculous HP war and one-upmanship has ruined the durability and economy diesels once had. The increase in emissions regulations is finishing them off by destroying the simplicity and reliability factors, leaving diesel with little appeal except for serious users/hotshots.
Agreed, I think Ford got the memo and the 7.3L, it can tow a ton of weight and people like them. Yes maybe not great fuel economy but these modern diesels aren't getting great fuel economy either. Unless you truly need to tow heavy weight a HD gasser is the more economical route.
Might as well go back to horses and mules! Bunch of bs crap!!
They're going to end up selling turbo HD gas motors. Only a matter of time.
I have 03 chevy with 8.1, love it never getting rid of it. I can repair it easy. I never want any truck with def !! when check engine light comes on, my butt cheeks would pucker up knowing the F job coming to repair!!!
Chevy has a gas 6.6 motor in its HD trucks now that outpowering the antiquated 8.1 in both HP & Torque
When doin deliveries in a FedUps Semi truck, it's always a pain randomly having to pull off to the side of the road for a mandatory regen. Great and efficient emissions standards!
I be lovin’ my ‘07, 5.9 L Cummins with 200K on it, no DEF to freeze when it is -25F, I’ve had it for 7 years now, and at age 71, I can probably drive it as long as I can drive before I am too old.
Gasoline particulate filters are reportedly already in the USA on ‘25 Lincoln Nautilus and whatever the Ford version is.
Also, great job on the explanation of the systems and upcoming changes. There is one other part of the new regs I’ll also mention, there’s a requirement that manufacturers increase security in the computer systems to prevent unauthorized tampering. Think there’s also a provision to make “limp mode” (running out of DEF) less dangerous. Like no longer reducing speed to a ridiculously low #.
Gasoline makes no soot, no DPF needed. That was an experimental system.
I own semi trucks. My number 1 problem is emissions. I won't be buying new trucks. Once these trucks are done, so am I.
I know where I am in Alberta I had one of my trucks ( sort of pre emissions 2005 Cat C15 ) in an independent shop and he said he does lots of weight loss programs on Cummins trucks as its a constant battle with emissions related issues side lining trucks and since Cummins is one of the major engines in trucks in the area, that is why that brand comes into his shop more than anything else. The emissions Cat trucks wiped out those that owned them as you know as that was one clusterfak !.
Well extending the warranty will serve as a big deterrent to deleting - UNLESS - the 10 year warranty ONLY covers some of the new and or additional pollution control devices. I just can't see the big 3 warrantying the powertrain / rotating mass that long. The cost upfront would just be guessing for them when calculating up to 10 years from now. BUT it WOULD make them reconsider durability and reliability to a much greater degree and maybe encourage aftermarket companies into manufacturing more parts again.......
Keeping and maintaining your older vehicles is looking better and better, every year.
Excellent and comprehensive video. The only downside was the 'background' music. In mopinion, it added nothing but detracted a lot. Otherwise fab and very interesting. Thanks.
I wouldn't be surprised if these regulations generate lawsuits, especially with the recent SCOUS ruling which changed the relationship between the EPA and industry.
Hopefully the chevron deference decision will take care of the epa
Thank God for my 2002 7.3 powerstroke
I'm falling in love with my 7.3L powerstroke.
I put a 5.9 Cummins in my 2002 , along with a 6 speed Allison. Best of all worlds. I Love my truck
Oh they will come for you. They will come for sure.
@petermandel2552
I hope not
@@petermandel2552and they will meet my 5.56mm friends who disagree.
People, please maintain and keep your pre-emissions truck. Undercoat your frame and body, it will be worth it.
Watching this video in the morning is no way to start my day. Good video though
Your going to put the price up on pre emission trucks. Lol. Good stuff
I can already see it happening, especially the low mileage ones lol
@@GettysGarage I have a pristine 2002 F-250 7.3 with 120,000 miles. They'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
The EPA needs to figure out how to put DEF fluid into a volcano.. that should save a lot of emissions 🤔🎤👇
Bingo!
Wish they would do the same for trump supporters but to each their own
Nah that's natural
Doesn't make money or count😮
@@TallnerdyguyTDS
Honestly? If I was one of the big 3 light duty/medium duty manufacturers (GM 2500-6500, Ford F250-F600 and Ram 2500-5500) I would be developing a gasoline hybrid or gas PHEV HD pickup. Think Ford F150 Powerboost but with an NA V8 instead of a boosted one. It would deliver on diesel like power and acceleration and towing without the diesel emissions equipment attached to it and if the battery were big enough, would provide some degree of EV power only which means zero emissions when doing so. The diesel spec parts could be used to handle all the power as well. Only downfall to hybrid/PHEV would be the weight gain but that might not 100% get to current diesel pickup weights. I see a lot of HD truck customers at work who buy diesel and end up trading on gas or heck, even 1500s because they don't need it.
Why? The government invested money both with our taxes and thru their own investments (insider Trading) on the whole EV movement. That's the push. And any hybrid, hydrogen, etc they don't give 2 shits about and would just come up with even more emissions regulations for those as well.
If they cared truly about environment, an EV would be the last thing to 'save' it.
350/250 ford diesel PHEV HD pickup yes i can see that as a valid marketing choice as long as it's basically up full-sized power-boost functionality and or can be used for camping or worksite generated electricity ect
ranchers i now had to drag 1-ton plus tow 2-trailer's and or used up bed-space ectand 1/2-ton models weren't big-enough to tow things like the water/seed-tow ect, and there's points were you moved 100~yards and shut off for 15m's~ and then moving again and or city drive BEV-mode can do a better job than pure-IEC can
funny when people think hybrids will deliver constant power for towing. Watch some reviews on the Tundra hybrid towing system. It runs out of steam on long uphill pulls. Hybrid batteries have limited capacity.
As a tow truck driver…. No shortage of job security is what I’m seeing… when 80% or so of the heavy tows I do are electric/emissions related…
The most common issues I run into with the heavy duty (mostly cummins/paccar) diesel after treatment systems are breaking DEF line fittings (garbage plastic), DEF tank vents plugging with crystallized urea, wiring rubbing and shorting out or breaking, and failed sensors.
I wish they would've gone by way of dual fuel instead of the complicated setup of DPF, EGR, and SCR. I can almost guarantee you using LPG or CNG would do a better job by burning the fuel thoroughly lowering emissions and soot. Just my thoughts.
There's no infrastructure for LNG or CNG. LNG is cryogenic which is super problematic for storage and handling, also it has to be turned into a gas before it can be injected into the cylinder which is another problem in itself. CNG is easier to manage, but the established underground pipes delivers the gas at very low pressure (
@Rayden440 there already is an infrastructure for natural gas (not sure if it's LNG or CNG), and there are some semis that run on it. There are some fueling stations for semis that run on it.
@ There’s like 1 for the entire city of Toronto where I live. If you call that “infrastructure” idk what to tell you. There’s hundreds of diesel pumps as a comparison
Gas V10 making a triumphant return
I think the 7.3L Godzilla and GM 6.6L L8T already filled that role.
@Jay-me7gw and don't shoot spark plugs through hood
@Jay-me7gw V10 go vroom vroom
and not passing up a fueling station.
@@larryjanson4011 just the DPF pump
Def waste from all those boxes, extra metal that needs to be made, and trucks that get trashed way earlier than they need to because of the emissions standards. But I’m sure the EPA isn’t tracking those stats
I wonder if someone could calculate the carbon footprint on DEF and this new system vs not having them. To include, generation of materials, production, distribution and the extra fuel necessary to run them.
Excellent clarification of the rules and their effects. 👍
So at what point do the OEMs throw their hands up and say “Fuck it…. We are going to make engines for just Mexico etc”.
They already did that on a lower scale. That’s why we can’t buy diesel Toyota trucks in the USA.
Many already have. Check out how many cool trucks south america can have because of no regulations. And theyre more efficient than our "clean" trucks.
unfortunately no economy comes close to the US so our regulators set the standard
During my Cummins training for CM 2150 through CM2350, my instructor told us that the stink that comes out the pipe During a regen is iso cyanide gas. Not regulated by the EPA. Traded 1 deadly gas for another to avoid regulation. I'm no chemist, but he was making sense that day. Don't hang out with the regen too long.dont nap in the bunk during regen. Small exhaust leak could kill you
I dont believe that gasoline engines with particulate filters really need to regen because they naturally have higher EGT's. My Ecoboost would hit 1800-1900* EGT's.
Wow
Diesel exhaust gets pretty hot too under load. They still need regen.
@@jackylsmith8138 1900* though? Cause I know the 3.0 Duramax starts cutting power at about 1500-1600*. And on the older diesels from the early 2000’s people were freaking out about anything over 1300 on the pyrometers.
Turbo Gasoline direct injected motors usually have their exhaust manifolds integrated into the cylinder head with a water jacket and use stainless steel turbine housings and don’t have to worry about baking the variable geometry components
Idling it a lot will clog the filter just like a diesel.
@ it wouldn’t make soot at idle like a diesel
Hopefully all the manufacturers take GM’s approach on their 3.0 diesel and put the EGR pickup on the leaving side of the DPF to help remove soot entering your intake.
As for the EPA we may all hate it but the main reason we got the best diesel engines of all time like the P pump 12V and 7.3 power stroke was because manufacturers had to innovate to meet their emissions standard. Unfortunately those same standards killed those engines but then we got the 24V common rail and now the 6.7HO with 500 hp. It’s not all bad.
there isnt really pumping losses in a diesel since there is no throttle plate. In fact, at least on the diesels i have seen, they have to add a throttle plate specifically to make it so the engine draws from the EGR instead of the intake. What you are saying really only applies to gasoline engines that drive at part throttle with the manifold in vacuum most of the time.
Yeah the 3.0 duramax does have a low pressure EGR but I believe its use is limited to only certain situations. It still has a high pressure EGR.
@ you are correct I was wrong in my statement about the pumping losses, they are minimal in a diesel vs gasoline engine. I will edit my post.
Yeah the 7.3 and the 12V there are still a ton of both out there running around. I have 12V p-pump and a 24V VP pump. A 28 and a 23 year old truck still doing farm work hauling hay cattle, equipment. I bet these over loaded emissions high horse power truck won’t last as long as those old girls.
@@oldfarmer4700 I agree that’s why I drive a 2000 7.3 ZF 6 speed daily for work.
Yes it is that bad. Stop living in never land and smell the tequila we’re in big trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An issue not many talk about is DPF filling up with ash. Regen does not remove it. I'm not sure how to clean it out but I'd like to find out.
Do these new regulations are applied to Trains, Big Cargos that sail all over the oceans and big aircrafts that flie all over our skies. . .? ?
? ? And how about the volcanos that are waking up these days ? ?
It's almost like the EPA has zero understanding of how engines and emissions systems function.
If they’re going to get that tough screw the 7.2 do an aluminum version of the 8.3 Cummins since it’s easier to make emissions compliance on a bigger motor
Hmmm🤔
No aluminum
@ why not wagler blocks handle more power than any cast iron block currently available they could make it stronger than cast Cummins blocks that we have now plus the 8.3 Cummins is like 900lbs heavier than the 6.7
Aluminimum engines don't last as long as cast iron engines. And aluminimum production is more toxic than steel. Yes you save some wieght but at what cost. Temperature expansion is a big factor in engine life.
@ I’ve seen ls motors go over 400 thousand miles get rebuilt and continue on I don’t see reliability being an issue the emissions are going give you a problem long before a block or head failure
I'm fairly certain the chevron deference ruling in the Supreme Court will provide an avenue for people to countersue on these rules. They cannot haphazardly make up rules as a bureaucratic entity any longer
My work truck is a 2022 Freightliner with the Cummins L9 and literally the ONLY problem that truck has is the DPF system. Not to mention that truck is seemingly regening the filter just about every other day.
Let's hope Trump will crush all these new EPA regulations!!
We need to hold our elected public servants to that.
These systems are very effective at reducing combustion efficiency, thereby increasing fuel consumption and increasing total emissions.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you, but increasing fuel consumption slightly for the emissions systems does NOT increase emissions.
@@OtisFlintIt does increase co2 emissions by a good amount but I think it is justified by the drastic reduction in every other emmision.
And increasing fuel excise revenue
Edison motors uploaded a video about how they intend to use Scania engines in their trucks. They specifically mentioned one reason why is the engine won't be required to run DPF, and other such systems such as DEF.
Why?
Because the engines are so efficient that by north American standards they're not required to run more emissions equipment.
So I ask everyone to please remember, if the big manufacturers cared, they would design engines which don't require all this crap, but they don't, they want to sell your their junk and all the parts related to their emissions systems.
the reason companies are getting away with this type of BS is because people keep buying them and parts for them! they're milking the population for money, while intentionally creating the minimal quality of product needed to sell. Take a stand for yourself if you have any pride and find a used vehicle and fix it better than new, rather than settling for their subpar quality.
The addition of the 48v heater system makes adding a 48v mild hybrid that can also take the place of the starter and easy upgrade, and Cummins has been hiring 48v motor engineers, so I would expect that to be coming and possibly a complete switch over to 48v electrics at some point
I work for a gm dealership as a tech. I can cofirm, the new diesels are too complex, and choked up to be good anymore. I think diesel days are numbered for passenger trucks, unfortunately.
I love how we all have to abide by these rules, but the government does not have to. It’s all about control…. It’s such BS, cause now I’m definitely not gonna bother buying a diesel, but will have stick with a gas engine that’s not capable of pulling as much.
How much do you need to pull?
@@Jay-me7gw well over 30k, my truck is only capable of doing 14k and my license only allows me to do up to do up to 26k I think it is, I started a business and this is the second year I’ve had it and it’s been picking up, I need to be able to pull bigger loads on top of the driving distance.
Edit: it’s quite annoying I have to waste time to do 4-6 loads.
@@TheAudi585 If you're regularly pulling 30k, you shouldn't be looking at pickups at all.
@@skiiermav a heavy duty one is what I need, the 6.7 would suffice. And no not the SO but what should be using if not a pickup truck? Idk what regular would be, I just need to pull that atleast 40-50 times a year.
@@TheAudi585 That sort of weight puts you pretty firmly in Class 5 and up truck territory. Think a Ram 5500/equivalent or bigger. Also keep in mind if you're talking about Gross Combined Vehicle Weight (GCVW) or towing weight. If it were me I'd be thinking pretty hard about getting a semi truck setup instead.
Absolutely insane! Reducing them by half/80% nox.!!! How many more issues will we have now.
They might as well just ban diesel vehicles entirely at this point
I thought the Supreme Court decision on Chevron neutered the EPA? What happened?
When I look at it like this it’s actually super cool how they made these thing work and how they turn exhaust gases into nitrogen and water(I think) with DEF. Just sucks that you gotta keep all this stuff in mind to drive your diesel around
The EPA needs to be disbarred and disbanded just like the NFA this is what the American people voted for so they should get it done we don't need this extra bull crap wasting time and costing more money for only the American people while the rest of the world gets to do whatever the hell they want without any repercussions that we end up actually paying for As Americans
Zero F’s given, I’m deleting all this crap if I have to get a new truck
Good luck
Not as easy as you think. Shops were fined out of business and no longer sell parts.
Add that the resale value would be zero. Legally would be able to certify, so no value other then parts.
@ that’s fine, I drive my trucks into the ground. When it’s time for it to retire, off to the scrap yard. It wouldn’t have any resale value by the time I was done with it anyway
Not just trucks, all our vehicles.
Okay with new regulations if EPA reimburses all emissions related repair and maintenance expenses.
Kink of like the student idea
That's what the mandated higher warranty on emissions equipment does. Kind of like how in gas cars the standard warranty is 3y/36k miles but in states that follow CARB standards all emissions components carry an 80k/8y warranty (all the way up to 150k/15y for some components).
that's called TAX moneys. so you want to pay more in TAXES?
@@LordOfSilense yeah but the issue is the manufacturer has to pay that. It should come out of the EPA budget directly.
Do they know CO2 is not a pollutant; it is a good gas for plants.
They're not after C02 reduction. C02 reduction is done just by improving fuel economy. They're mainly after particulate and NOx
@@knotical689 They're after whatever they need to be after in order to convince you not to buy one, and eventually the manufacturers not to make one. PERIOD.
As a heavy duty diesel mechanic myself, I can say that everything said here is 100% accurate. 90% of the problems on a modern diesel engine that I see, involve the after treatment system .But like the man says. Buckle up because it's going to get a lot worse.
It’d be neat if all of our diesel manufacturers told the epa to shove it, and started making non compliant diesel engines. That would be great.
Thanks for a nice video I did not know diesel well at all been a gasoline driver of my whole life.
Don’t do a ton of hauling. My limited knowledge of diesel is that it cost more supposed to give better fuel efficiency, but a lot of government regulations hurt that fuel efficient see I hear oil changes are expensive as they take a lot of oil.
I’ve heard from some
Family wants on the Lexus a high compression engine vehicle and was forced to buy premium gas. I can say my families not excited about ever doing this again.
Cost of living is high and it’s not going down.
Look at the good news if you’re a diesel mechanic I’m pretty sure you have a good stable job
The way out of these things is fundamentally improving the combustion event. Speed of Air Engine Technologies are doing just that with their pistons. Just check it out!
Many years ago a man patented a “Air Centrifugation Device” to separate intake nitrogen from the intake air of internal combustion engines using a device similar to a centrifugal compressor (front half of a turbo).
The result was higher percentage of oxygen (better fuel burn) and reduced NOX
Since the requirement is “per horsepower” one of the simplest way is to raise the peak RPM. The small 3 liter engines have doubled their HP but the ten speed transmissions avoid this peak to get long life.
Don' forget that CARB restrictions are more harsh than the EPA and there are a bunch of states looking to adopt CARB standards over the next couple of years. Also, do not forget Cummins has the gasoline 6.7 coming to the medium duty market. At point in time on gas cars the catalytic converters had federally controlled warranty of something like 7 years/80000 miles. I only remember that because I had go bad at 79600 miles and got it covered under warranty.
Get ready for $140,000 trucks that are less reliable. If I manufactured diesel engines, I would cut out production in the US and focus on markets like China and India, where they don't have this insanity.