Ranking EVERY Dragon Ball Arc! (Tier List)
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Today I am ranking every Dragon Ball Arc in a tier list! Everything from Classic Dragon Ball, to Dragon Ball Z, to Dragon Ball GT to Dragon Ball Super! It's gonna be a wild ride chronicaling the lives of Goku, Gohan, Vegeta and the gang throughout these arcs spanning 30+ years! But I think we can do it!
MUSIC USED:
-M1812 (DBZ)
-Easily (Cover by Marylou Villegas)
-M438 (DB)
-Mezase Tenkaichi (Cover by PrynBrian)
-Red Ribbon's Theme (DB)
-M106 (DB)
-M501 (DB)
-M313 (DB)
-Piccolo's Theme (Cover by Friedrich Habetler)
-M727 (DBZ)S
-M740 (DBZ)
-M919 (DBZ)
-M814 - Fearsome Ginyu Forces (DBZ)
-Oolong's Theme (Path to Power)
-M1308 (DBZ)
-Unmei no Hi Instrumental Ver.
-M1606 (DBZ)
-M1621 (DBZ)
-Bad News (DBGT)
-Battle (DBGT)
-Kyouteki Yamcha (Path to Power)
-Red Ribbon (Path to Power)
-Saigou no Sosui (DBGT)
-An Old Rival (DBGT)
-Funky Kong's Theme (DKC2)
-Ding Dong (Crash Project Remix)
-General Blue (Path to Power)
-Prologue (DBGT)
-Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku (Cover by Ru's Piano)
-Chouzetsu Dynamic (Cover by Mattyyym)
-Omen of Victory (DBS)
-All Out Battle (Cover by Pokemixr92)
-Golden Freeza (Cover by Friedrich Habetler)
-Hit's Theme (DBFZ)
-Don't Disturb Goku (DBGT)
-Desperate Assault (Cover by Pokemixr92)
-Ultra Instinct (Cover by Pokemixr92)
-Moro (Original Score by Pokemixr92)
-Let's Get Out of Here and Make our Hearts Dance (DBZ)
Classic Dragon Ball: 0:00 - 9:47
Dragon Ball Z: 9:48 - 16:23
Dragon Ball GT: 16:24 - 22:33
Dragon Ball Super: 22:34 - 32:36
Video edited by Editor-san
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To me the Freeza saga is peak Dragon Ball, it had a ton of build up, peak action, character development and the transformation that revolutionized shonen. The android saga was great but it was the beginning of the super sayans show, where if you wasnt a super sayan you would barely get any screen time.
imo Cell is better
Yeah because that was meant to be the last arc. And the culmination of the whole dragon ball story. But after seeing how successful it was, Toriyama was asked to continue the series.
Goku vs Frieza was all raw brute strenght, no regeneration bs.
@@Scorpio4real no it was never confirmed to be stop spreading misinformation
Agreed beyond existence
I really liked Yajirobi in his introduction.
He was the first one I thought to "mirror" Goku of some kind to the audience. In his first scene Goku watches him killing and eating like he himself would do when hungry.
Yajirobi was for me like Goku, an overly strong kid that just wasn't interested in tournaments and climbing ancient towers.
Yajirobi is the personification of "I am fat and lazy, but if I have to, I can do it".
I too, am a fan of Fat Goku with Sword
@@killermetal10 I wonder if Vegeta has PTSD when he see Yajirobi randomly with the sword 🤣
I really liked Yajirobi's introduction as well! He was like Goku, if Goku has never encountered other people. Basically like a super strong caveman.
Bro he eats one of Piccolo's kids, the guy is hardcore in OG DB
@@MeteorFalcon And he then went to cut off the tail of a space monkey with tenfold the strenght needed to destroy the entire planet. with a Simple. Fucking. Sword.
The Cell Saga will always be the GOAT for me. As a kid, it felt like the darkest and most serious of the arcs, how cell would just absorb random civilians, to how Future Trunks just obliterated Freeza like he wasn’t even trying, to the terror of the Androids, to Gohan becoming peak Gohan. I love everything about it.
For me Cell Saga is also the best
What?! Sayain saga is the goat. Tien and yamcha, heroes of Dragonball struggling to survive. Hoping for Goku to come back. Picollo changing from evil to becoming a hero to saving and loving Gohan his friend. Yajurobi playing a significant role. Goku barely being strong enough to win.
@@geovanilopez5459 Are you Goku fanboy? He was much weaker than Vegeta Oozaru even with Kaioken... Vegeta lost to Z Team not just Goku.
for me too, the best arc in DBZ
@@geovanilopez5459 what made the Saiyan Saga really shine is it still held onto some of the original DB charm while also introducing crazy alien threats. Later in the series every just came down to bigger ki blasts, spirit bombs ( I'm not counting the first use of it here against it as it was obviously new and shiny) and power ups. Original Dragon Ball had all kinds of shenanigans that often determined the outcome of fights. Goku holding Radditz and Yajirobe cutting off Vegetas tail are throwbacks to that. Hell even turning Ginyu into a frog in the next saga was a throwback, but those became fewer and further in between as power creep settled in. Similarly to Naruto and One Piece, though One Piece hasn't suffered as much just due to the outlandish nature of the series and its powers.
The androids were terrifying, the music was scary, the mystery was there, Goku’s heart disease, trunks being from a different time, but that connection back to the red ribbon army made it make sense. It was AMAZING as a child lol
nothing's ever gonna match the hype i felt as a kid having seen up through the freeza saga a million times while waiting for the cell and android saga to finally hit tv.
only for me to grow out of watching it on tv and miss it entirely until i downloaded it years later, lol.
The android saga lowkey scared me when I was kid. The androids destroying the city, Goku punching Dr. gero, Goku (also) getting a heart attack while being handled by Android 19 (the music made it more hard to watch) watching Android 18 humiliate Vegeta after Super Saiyan was thought to be untouchable by that point. 16, 17, and 18 on the hunt to kill Goku while he couldn’t even defend himself, the buildup and appearance of Imperfect Cell, absolute peak DB. They don’t make em like that anymore
The heart attack thing was so very stupid. If someone told you that you'd die of a heart attack and then all your friends and family will be massacred, would you forget to take the medicine?
@@Tengokuchi tbh I don’t think Goku forgot I think it’s just he didn’t think that he needed it (classic case of Saiyan pride)
@Reginald Knickerbacher in Trunks's timeline, Goku fell to the heart virus 6 months before the androids attack. I'm sure when present Goku didn't feel any effects when the 6 months before came and past he thought he was fine and hence didn't take it.
Sad thing about GT is that the idea for some story arcs are actually fantastic - like Baby being the personification of Saiyans violent past coming back to bite them.
And of course the concept of Shadow Dragons where the heroes overusing and constant reliance on the Dragon Balls comes back to bite them.
These are some great ideas but the bad execution is what ruins them. Such a wasted potential.
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@@absoluteevil3604 name checks out
I’m kinda hoping Super might one day try a hand at those arcs like how they did Broly
For me, Golden Oozaru was one of the coolest things about gt. The show got in touch with it's origins and used it's lore in a captivating way.
Yeah I think the fight is paced a little weird but the design and concept are great. The Tuffle and SSJ4 lore were great additions in GT I think, and felt like genuinely good bits of worldbuilding.
baby as a character is amazing, just GT, although many people had fun watching, including myself, is objectively not that great
but Baby is fire, love him in DBFZ
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That's what I liked about GT. It allowed us to see the consequences of the Saiyans' rampage across the galaxy. Like Freeza may have hired them and all, but it sounds like the Saiyans were particularly the most destructive of his forces, so much so that the Tuffles targeted the Saiyans exclusively for their revenge.
@@minitaur8693 MID BALL IS TRASH
Frieza will always be the best saga in DBZ for me. When I was younger, I vaguely remember watching parts of it on Toonami. Years later, I would watch clips of it online constantly, enough that it became the saga I understood the most. The buildup is fantastic, especially how Vegeta’s character arc was handled. Not to mention Frieza is my favorite villain as well. Cell drug on for too long (although Future Trunk’s arc was also written very well) and Buu was just… too much. I love all the sagas, but Frieza was handled the best Imo
It was the story Toriyama wanted to tell. After that there was too much interference with others asking for different villains, new villains etc. It honestly killed the series.
Your love for this franchise is endearing in a way I can’t even describe. So glad you’re finally reviewing all of Z.
One thing I noticed about GT’a arcs is the theme of the past coming back to haunt the present. The black star Dragon Balls are something the Nameless Namekian made in the distant past with evil in his heart.
Baby is the consequence of the Saiyans’ ruthless past coming back to seek revenge.
Super 17 is the result of Gero and Myuu stewing in defeat to the point it consumes them to the point of revenge.
And of course, the Shadow Dragons is the result of overusing the Dragon Balls all this time
thats more then super did
It's honestly a much better thematic direction than what Super did, OG Dragon Ball and Z were about a journey through childhood and adulthood respectively, so it makes sense to go forward by addressing the consequences of ones actions as a young adult after they've moved forward in life to their later years. Or in this case, Goku facing the consequences of taking responsibility for the legacy of the Saiyans and for the Z gang's use of the Dragon Balls back in the day.
Now I don't know if making Goku a kid again was the right choice along the way, but oh well lol. GT had great ideas and very questionable execution. Meanwhile Super kind of just...it's good sometimes, but it feels like an officially written fanfiction. It's sort of just trying to stretch out what Z did and re-treading ground in as many different ways as it can instead of trying to go elsewhere with its ideas.
That’s why I love GT. It felt like a proper sequel, the past came back to haunt them in ways that weren’t just total rehashes and Super Saiyan 4 felt like the end of the Saiyan’s potential. It had a presence.
@@KonoGufo Great ideas, mostly poor execution, aside from maybe Baby. I still love and enjoy GT though. You are correct in that it did more than Super did, and it felt like it went in a more logical direction instead of trying to stretch the ideas of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z out and rehashing either characters or arcs. The past came back in GT, as did many of the characters, but it was done with a purpose relevant to the story they were trying to tell.
@@juliand.breakdown463 literally the gronala arc is about the past try again tho
The Moro arc had no business being this good after what we saw in Super. I agree with most of what you said, especially putting the excellent Cell arc slightly under Frieza and the Saiyan arc. It was interesting hearing your thoughts on GT because I haven't watched that since I was a kid.
Considering the anime Has had YEARS to animate that arc and improve on the few flaws it had (at least the ones that can be changed). Toei really gotta do their worst to make this arc not be as good as it was in the manga
Gt was the first thing I watched
@@Gum327 My god, lol
Moro arc restored my faith that I can still enjoy new Dragonball stories.
If Toei alters some of the flaws of the Moro arc and/or improves on it, it could genuinely be the best arc of DB since Cell, if not, rivaling Cell.
when goku met his grandpa gohan i actually cried. the voice actors and the animators actually did an incredible job. like u see goku smile so much but till then you could see and hear how truly happy he was seeing his grandpa. i love that scene and kid goku so much
The 22nd Tenkaici was so full of story and incredible action. Definitely one of my favourites anime arcs of all time
The Saiyan and Frieza arcs are my favorite but I loved the way Cell was introduced. It felt very different and a bit of a horror element into the series.
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What I really love about the cell arc is the immersion that the 3 androids and first form cell brings to the world of dragon ball z.. how piccolo, tien and Krillin were searching for Cell while he was going from city to city killing citizens and absorbing their energy while conceiling his power, very slowly getting stronger. That horror scene of that mother and her kid running away from cell at the airport and then Krillin saving them!!! ++ 16, 17 and 18 banter while travelling to Goku's house, the amount of fun 17 was having. This part of the cell saga really brings you into the world, makes you care what happens in each scene.
The only thing I didn’t like was how some Androids were stronger than those who were stronger than Frieza and King Cold. I like the gimmick of not sensing their energy, but that felt irrelevant.
Throwing Cell as a new threat while dealing with the Androids was perfect though. There are not many moments in Dragon Ball Z that made you think or left you completely clueless about what was going to happen next. (Early Namick being an exception.)
Imperfect Cell graphically drinking a dude will always stick with me
@@johnnyd.joestar9222 dragon ball isn’t mid you are
OG DragonBall is just the Absolute GOAT
DBZ was Great & had some Outstanding Iconic Moments that impacted the Cultural Zeitgeist & future manga series forever on
GT had a nice aesthetic & Super Saiyan 4 & some interesting concepts but fell flat in certain areas
& then DragonBall Super Has some Awesome Moments but then they are either undercut or don't hit as hard cause of some choices they made with the writing. There are parts where its like "oh yeah back to form this is great" but then its like
"Oof seasonal rot hittin hard" Tho all the slice of life eps in super are fun haha
@@geox8485 Super at its best is still far inferior to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Super is just that bad.
Yes
@@AcxD93 correct
@@geox8485 nope
@@geox8485 Well, my opinion and I can't see how anything from the Super anime is even close to what came before it.
I personally think the end of GT makes the most sense alongside the Shadow Dragon arc. It kinda represents shenron forgiving the mortals for overusing the dragon balls, and doing the work to purify them. So while the ending could make sense with any part of GT, it makes the most sense after the shadow dragons arc.
shadow dragons would've been the perfect arc to end Z, instead we got shitty buu saga which was utter trash.
@@D0NTREPLY didn't ask
@@BlackKnightsCommanderhe is right though
@@TonyFontaine1988 and I still didn't ask
@@BlackKnightsCommander don't care if you asked. Don't care about your consent. Don't care what you think. You are a nobody. You are nothing.
Saiyan arc/Frieza arc are defo the best DB arcs ever. Those arcs gave me so much comfort, idek what it was, but I’d watch a few eps every night after going to the library when revising for my exams and it was just so warming and well written. Will forever cherish those arcs.
My favorite of all of them is the Cell Arc, particularly because of Gohan’s growth throughout. Gohan has and always will be my favorite character in the series, and SSJ2 is my favorite transformation. So in my opinion it’s a God Tier entry. The ending is just too incredible for me to NOT put it there.
Gohan was an afterthought for 80% of it.
@@clydu91 But I feel like that makes Gohan’s sudden burst even more hard hitting, especially when you consider that we watched his growth over time and even then we didn’t see his full potential
not to mention what Cell represent metaphorically
The Cell arc trivialized Super Saiyan as a transformatiuon, trivialized every non-Saiyan fighter in the roster even more than they already were, trivialized the Dragon Balls themselves so that they have no purpose besides resurrecting people, and it all revolved around a lackluster villain. It also introduced the most bullshit mechanic for a villain: regeneration- which made it so that unless you could one-shot the villain, the fight never ends and the heroes are just getting hurt and losing energy.
That arc was the beginning of the downhill for DBZ, and the sooner we collectively accept it, the better.
@@JurgenBlitz Maybe when we collectively accept that everyone has their own opinion, the better. I understood your points until that last sentence. Personally, Cell is and has always been my favorite villain, but you don't see me coming after you for calling him lackluster. I would argue that regeneration only became annoying with Buu, Cell was the first time they used that foil, so I don't think it's fair to come after that arc for something it introduced. I feel like the thing about the Dragon Balls isn't that they were trivialized, but no one has any purpose for them compared to Frieza or King Piccolo, who both wanted immortality. None of the characters following those villains needed the Dragon Balls to accomplish their goals, leading to the relegation of the Dragon Balls into a mechanism to restore life. I can understand your point about Super Saiyan, but I feel like the main violator is Trunks (and maybe Vegeta if you want to stretch it that far), seeing as how Trunks is so removed from the main timeline and while his transformation did come about due to anger, like with all the others, and his appearance was cool with the revelation that "There can be more?!", Trunks was never built up in the story to even have the development to reach that state like Gohan or even Vegeta, so that's my take on everything. I sincerely ask you to consider opposing viewpoints before claiming that your opinion is an objective fact in the future.
"You won't escape, MY WRAAAAATH!" The Ocean dub was also how I was initiated, and I loved Drummond's Vegeta. Thanks for all the great vids Mark.
Same here, was jarring to say the least when it switched over during the burter/jeice fight
I love that you did this video. Great work
why does everyone say super is mid or bad i really enjoyed it after binging the entire dragon ball series
don't get me wrong i love the world building and the new god character additions but as a whole lots of the characters power growth feels less deserved/earned to me. just the fact that there are constantly characters on the sidelines (beerus, whis, etc.) that could end every single problem they run into, besides say the tournament of power, makes the scale of every conflict feel minuscule compared to Z arcs. They also made goku unreasonably stupid for comedic affect and changed his character just enough to make him feel distinctly different. And for me at least the goku black arc was painful to watch. But as a whole i'm still glad they continued to grow my favorite show that i grew up on and im excited for future releases even if it doesn't hit the same as Z or even OG db
Classic Dragon ball needs to get talked about more. It’s so damn good
Dragon ball actually had good writing and character development. Dbz is not bad by any means, but it all devolved to explosions, screams, and non stop fighting. The show made more sense in the og Dragon Ball.
@@Ohmagawdjr what’s a anime without fighting one piece Naruto bleach demon slayer 😭
@@Contemplatingspider I think they were referring to the oftentimes seeming non-stop action. Feelings like no breaks in between due to how passage of time is displayed. While that may be natural for a show like that, some people would prefer more down-time.
@@damnbruh1519 that’s still like half of the anime’s we know today
@@Contemplatingspider Death Note
For the king piccolo arc, I think one of the contrivances can be retroactively explained away: Having only watched DB LONG after DBZ, I always understood the magic water as a placebo, with the true reason for Gokus powerboost being that he got a zenkai.
We’re very clearly told that it isn’t a placebo in the Piccolo arc. The way it’s handled in the anime is superior to the manga though, as we actually see what Goku goes through to survive
Yeah but that's a post rationalization, there's no suggestion that Toriyama even thought about Goku being a saiyan, let alone about saiyan being a thing. Even then zenkai boost isn't something he made up until the frieza arc.
@@pascalsimioli6777 Thats why I said "retroactively". I know it wasn't thought of at the time, but a lot of great manga got stuff explained retroactively because, at the time, the mangaka didn't know where the story was going yet. Perhaps the best example being the black swordsman arc of berserk. And especially with Toriyama, you sometimes gotta use headcanon to explain away some of the details of his worlds haha
They literally give Goku a magic shot of water to make him stronger lol its wasn't a placebo in the King Piccolo arc
Yeah, but that wasn't for many years and it wasn't planned; Toriyama always wrote as he went, never planning ahead.
I just started Dragon Ball 2 weeks ago and finished the King Piccolo arc. I think you did it dirty in B tier man
The build up to Super Saiyan was so good. There was all the talking about the legend and such.
And then there's the fact that transformations where shown to be a thing thanks first to Zarbon and then Freiza.
I have a soft spot for the Buu arc. It was one of the first villains I met on DB and I have always enjoyed his different forms and general design aesthetic. Always really enjoyed the Kid Buu fight and even though there's a lot of dumb stuff in the arc and some silly fourth wall breaks, I just like it a bunch. However, when binge reading Cell and then Buu it feels pretty weird. Do super enjoy the Mr Satan and Buu relationship, though!
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My personal fav moment from the buu arc was vegetas sacrifice and showing that he truly cares about everyone even goku and forgetting his pride to try and save everyone & kid buu was also a absolutely menacing villain killing all humans then blowing up the planet
Clearly the best arc is a tie between the Maron arc and the DMV arc.
@@johnnyd.joestar9222 pick up your clown bags and get out of here
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I genuinely loved the Saiyaman portion if the Buu arc, and I think a lot of the problems with the arc overall could be fixed if Buu absorbed Goku and Vegita and Gohan fused to fight him in the end
That sounds pretty interesting, actually.
Interesting idea. I think Toriyama wanted Gohan to be the hero but the fandom forced Goku on it.
Who would Gohan have fused with?
@@JayKay-on2gr that’s misinfo Toriyama stated in an interview that at a certain point he realized Gohan wasn’t meant to be the main character.
@@JayKay-on2gr Mr Satan obviously
I will always sympathize with Toriyama’s struggle to balance that arc due to the tons of pressure by editors and fans he was receiving, but it’s interesting to see how in the Z arcs, when we hindsight problems, with minor changes they become far better.
But when it comes to Super, there is no minor hindsight. When watching Super there were just way too many times at which I would know instantly FAR better routes the story could’ve taken (literally have a list cause I do wanna make a video about it one day).
It truly shows the massive gap in quality and care Toriyama used to put in the story vs what Toei put in their original esque version of the anime. Toyotarou has problems but at least you can tell he cared and many times tried his best with the manga. There is absolutely no way I can say the same when it comes to the Anime version and it’s writers.
For what it was I always admired the art style in GT. It continued in the direction of the Buu saga and became more consistent.
Agreed!!
Consistent? They literally threw Uub as a side character
@@fleur8887i believe they were talking about the art style not the plot. which i would agree with
@@fleur8887not like they could, remember goku gotta be the star. They bitched when gohan almost was.
@@handsanitizer2457that was just Toriyama realizing he can't write for Gohan as the lead
the subtle weaving in of dbza clips in place of the originals in a couple spots is honestly just art
I think the other world tournament arc in Z had 2 pretty good things going for it.
1. It was a much, much needed break from the constantly pressure laid out from start to end of the cell saga.
2. Pikkon was, imo, an interesting enough character to carry it. Up to this point, this level of power was basically legendary power built upon legendary power that, as far as we know, no one has ever seen before or achieve. Pikkon came in and showed us that there are other competitive fighters out there as well elsewhere in the universe.
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 no u
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The best way to get under our skin is to directly criticise people like Cell or make a very hot take on something like GT. Just a heads up for your next attempt.
@@hihi-nm3uy gt better than super, here's my hot take which should be cold
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that is a very hot take, well done
Story aside, the GT aesthetic is AWESOME. I LOVE how that show looked. Also, the theme. Dan Dan kokoru hikariteku is an all time banger
I liked the color palette of GT a lot and it's still tranditional cel art, so thats always great of course.
But the artstyle (mostly the faces) was already on the decline (started with End of Z) with shiny skin, big chins and oddly shaped noses.
Same I don’t understand why people hate GT I love it so much
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THIS!!!! I loveee the way gt looks that’s what kept me hooked
@@jay2k965 MID BALL IS SUPER TRASH
I’ve never been here before, since you’re totally not Mark, thanks for the great content Devyn!
The Moro arc was very good and totally fresh, it changed so many things that we thought were established, like Vegeta not caring about other people besides his family, and the concept of magic mattering more than energy levels for the first time since the early Dragon Ball, it was definitely a breath of fresh air to see Uub, Grand Supreme Kai Buu , and Vegeta fighting for redemption.
“King Kai Buu”=Grand Supreme Kai
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@@princeofpride9221 Thanks, i speak spanish so i couldn't remember the proper name in english
It had a good build up but felt short. It followed the same formula as Samasu. I felt like it just pulled random things out of its butt just to finish the saga.
@@MuchCow9000 MID BALL IS TRASH
I literally jumped for joy when you put the 21st budokai in S tier, it really is SEVERELY underrated and not nearly praised enough
I have to totally agree about the ridiculousness of DB Super’s Battle of Gods arc - Goku and Beerus powering up and manifesting energy ‘dragons’… I figured it was metaphorical, but even so, I just thought, “What…??!!” 😂
The Goku Black arc had me on the edge of my seat with the mystery it brought to the table - Zamasu and his fall from grace (I like the imagery of him ‘falling’, almost into madness in a way, in the opening credits) was very interesting to me, and Goku attacking him and his Black counterpart after finding out they murdered his family was very satisfying.
"But not GT" Glad you changed your mind on that one.
Saiyan scholar be like: 🙃
@@steelsoild6909 gt is good
Fr. I’m tired of people gassing up GT. It’s one of the most boring, thoughtless shows I’ve ever sat through.
@@grapespace it’s not THAT bad
@@grapespace Sorry you didn't like it, which one do you like?
For me personally the Cell/Android arc is far and beyond my favorite in the franchise. I genuinely love it so much, I love all the Villains especially since all of them are threats and do some crazy stuff to the group and the ending is perfect
17 and 18 are still the best villains. Especially if you watch History of Trunks.
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 Super is trash 😄
@@johnnyd.joestar9222 you disgrace jojo fans
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I absolutely love the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. Roshi making the path for the next generation, Goku vs. Krillin being surprisingly close, and Goku vs. Tien being a ridiculously edge of your seat climax make this tournament one of my all time favorite tournament arcs in all of anime.
Me too, original DB is underrated, it needs remake.
@@alexzero3736 please no remake. They gonna make goku trans
@@RikiJasmin What are you smoking
@@RikiJasmin Nah pretty sure they meant like a remake of og dragon ball with updated animation, no major changes
There’s no need for a remake, the animation is fine. they just need to redo the scene where piccolo calls out sector 28, when on the paper it says 29. If you know what I am saying. (Unless it was intentional?)
Absolutely loved this! Thank you!
My favorite installation of the whole Dragon Ball Franchise is Definitely Classic Dragon Ball. No, not because of nostalgia or any of that, but I genuinely liked it. I loved the adventure aspect that seems to be missing nowadays. I have got to agree that the Budokai Tenkaiichis were AMAZING. I was blown away at how invested I was in the battles and how it actually meant something. I do like Z, GT and Super, but the fights are way too prolonged and have little meaning to me other than looking nice and boom boom Vegeta and Goku new powerup. Comedy is also great, and is plentiful inside Classic. Characters like General Blue, Mercenary Tao etc. were whacky but also very strong at the time. All of these minor characters like Upa and his dad were also very fun to watch (Was super happy they had a cameo in GT and Z). When I first initially watched it, I was a bit turned off due to how many episodes it was (200) and how most people disregard it but it ended up being something I was looking forward to watching each day. I still love the newer installations, Gohan and Trunks are some of my favorite characters.
Was super cool to see Goku grow up through those years, I love stories which actually tell a story where a character grows and learns from the start till the end. DB-DBS will always have a place in my heart.
jojos bizarre adventure is a great adventure Shonen
That's what made GT cool too - the adventure. Also, some of the battles were great, even though they were quick
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@@ceetruth4709 gt is dog
You like gt
Thank you for including that moment from Brian Drummond. As much as I love Sabbat's Vegeta, that scream from Drummond is stuck in my head forever.
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15:50 Bro I found the kaioken thing so funny because I used to do the exact same thing. Imagining myself multiplying the kaioken to complete that last lap was so cool to me. I still do it to this day and it still helps me out in my workouts. 😂
How do you do the Kaioken?
A new sub here. I quite liked a couple of videos of yours and I'm hooked already. Thanks for the entertainment and I hope your channel grow as much as possible because imo you deserve it. Very glad to have came by your channel, can't wait to see how it progresses. Cheers mate
It's crazy how popular Dragonball became after so many years of absence. I mean, we got more Super Arcs than there are DBZ Arcs already and although not all of them are good, I still enjoy them and tbh I'm just glad that DB is back in my life. I even started buying Mangas again since my original 42 volumes need some expanding 😅 to truly be complete.
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That’s awesome
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 no one cares no one is gonna stop watching it because you call it trash it will still be popular
@@johnnyd.joestar9222 And your trash one piece or JoJo's is so much better???
I really enjoyed this tier list. Been listening for years and this genuinely felt much more like a peek into Mark's mind. One that felt natural and slightly vulnerable
This video is genuinely amazing man I have no idea how one person can produce so many bad takes
that was literally the best intro ive ever seen hahahahaahh subbed
1:15: I bet you the whole cast knew about Goku accidental killing of Gohan by seeing his Oozaru form.
It’s bad form that he had to figure it out himself so many years later against Vegeta.
Some friends……..
They actually do rather quickly in the series, I think like the episode after they all hint at it
Why would they tell him that he murdered his grandfather?
I mean Gohan didn't even tell him that
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Yeah, it's not like it's a realy important thing to tell your friend how he truly lost his only family.
@@Ash_Wen-li precisely. They didn’t want Goku to feel guilty about something he didn’t have control over.
I pretty much agree with this list for the most part, my favourite Arc from Dragon ball is the 23rd tournament. For Dragon ball Z my favourite is a mix between the saiyen arc and Frezia arc. For GT it’s the baby arc and finally for Super (at least so far) probably the Tournament of power or the Moro arc. Looking forward to seeing your review for the Dragon ball Z Arc’s.
For someone who grew up watching Z I’ll be honest I’ve grown tired of it having an amazing fight lasting twenty something episodes and then half a season before another fight like that. The reason I like the ToP saga is because you see everyone shatter their limits in a fight that this time could cover a whole season by itself. With Vegeta evolving SSB and goku both discovering UI and mastering it against Jiren i think that the tournament was a perfect example of what dragon ball is, amazing fights and character shattering limits
I actually really like yajirobe being able to climb korins tower, it really adds to his character as *could be a z fighter but is too much of a coward*
I doubt you'll ever see this Mark but your content has legit made my life better. I found you when I had COVID and the videos seem to always come when hard times do. Thank you sir.
Like once a week??
I was referring more to when shit is sucky and I find a new video of his on my feed, but snark it up. I'm sure you're a blast at the parties people don't invite you to.
@@Facebones2391 dude, chillax. I just meant he has a predictable schedule. I know what you mean. Totally not Mark has the best anime content on the tube, and he didn’t even let funimation stop him. I’m glad that he helped you through a tough time. I also looked forward to his uploads during the pandemic.
You're not alone, Mark. Me and my brother would go online looking for ways to master and conjure up our chi for energy blasts 😂 We were like 7/8. I think lots of kids did. It was always cool to imagine ourselves being able to do that.
In fact, DBZ helped me gain an interest in certain eastern philosophies because of this.
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 who asked
@@richardmassey9801 he's so pressed lol
Qiqong?
Great work with this one 💯.
Its cool Mark I tried to control my chi alongside videl durning gohans lesson too. I still try out the kamehameha and instant transmission all the time, one day I hope Ill surprise myself lmao. Kaioken is legit too helps me as well for that little boost.
Honestly this is one of the best Dragon Arc rankings I’ve seen in a long time, nicely done Mark!
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 I respect your opinion
@@rehmanmir7865 Don't respond to it because it's a bot. I've noticed that it was a bot from all the spamming in the comments. Just report it because it's not going to stop.
I will always love the Cell saga. Cell as an antagonist to me was so cool in concept and in execution with his imperfect and perfect forms. The fights between him with Goku and Gohan still remain to be one of my favorites and his og track( not the Bruce Faulconer one) is catchy and always manages to get stuck in my head
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 your willing to die in this hill huh
when you talked about the kaio ken, it reminded me of something some athletes use. they say something internally to give them an adrenaline boost. after the boost, it wears down the body.
Each arc in Z is thematically interesting, Saiyan arc was about nature vs nurture obviously Goku and Vegeta represent the themes but they both reject each other's own upbringing, Vegeta rejects Goku because he's a low class warrior by nature and won't accept him due to his nurture by earth, Goku rejects his nature because of who his people were but respects and appreciates his nurture because of how far he came,
The Frieza arc was about taking the good and the bad aka accepting both aspects, notice how Vegeta was abusing his nature to get Zenkai but never truly respecting the nurture of Goku or the others because he was to obsessed with his own biology, Piccolo also abused his own nature and fused with nail to get a power up but he had truly appreciated it until the next arc,
Goku was the only one who accepted his nature and nurture and was able to seriously either surprise, surpass and beat Frieza, " I'm a Saiyan raised on Earth" is a powerful line,
The Cell arc was about the previous generation vs the new, Cell was an amalgamation of different previous strong warriors who came from the future to fight the past warriors, he's a walking contradiction he's a future warrior that has the genetics of beings from the past, that's why every person Cell fought prior to Gohan was set up to loose, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo Android 16 etc were beings from the distant past that's why Gohan the product of a Saiyan and earthling who isn't from the future had to save earth from this present threat, while trunks rid of the Androids In his present timeline because they were his threat,
And with the Buu arc it came full circle Buu I like to think was a play on the phrase you are what you eat, he lost himself his original self the more fighters he faced which made him more bland but so are the heroes they have lost themselves to the point where in some retired, others have given up on fighting, and the ones who are still in the game are only obsessed with the next big battle and forgetting who they are, noticed how the Spirit bomb didn't work on Vegeta or Frieza but thematically it worked on Buu, because when they fought frieza and Vegeta the heroes didn't loose sight of who they were but with Buu it took the combination of everyone to bring them to accepting who they are but not forgetting where they came from always looking for the next challenge but keeping themselves grounded I love dragon ball ,❤️
This is such a great comment
I agree. But can you please tell your community to stop bringing Goku in topics that aren't about their tiny brain.
Too add more to the Saiyajin/Cyan arc It had a pampered Gohan as a kid feeling abandoned and then turning that abandonment into Survival.The way Survival theme works in the arc was fascinating especially when it was working through the most privileged ones in Gohan and Vegita since they never had work so hard to do anything before in their lives.
Now on to the 3rd section of the Artificial human arc with Cell It went from Cell wanted absorb the Artificial Humans to proving he's a perfect version of everyone else,Cell by saying he's going to destroy the earth believes he's enabling humanity while giving them time to prepare to protect their property(earth)...
By doing this he wanted to get the best out of everyone that is cell prize and he's gambling with the prize(Gohan) just to get surprised,Cell living his life on the edge is a phase that came off as a Triple entendre which is addiction.... curiosity that killed the cat....Not believing he had any limits against the protagonist that is about wanting to break his limits and a another character who is scare of breaking that limit ...
But i will say the Artificial human arc was the characters playing lottery speaking figuratively. Cell not just gamble with gohan with living his life on the edge but he got worst out of everyone to get what needed or suffer the consequences... Goku gambled living though his son developing this "sport father trait" ...Trunks had to gamble with traveling,And Vegita was definitely a slave off the leash to his ego after being one to freeza when he allowed cell to fill his ego up.
I can go on how Gohan vs Cell symbolizes humanity swallowing itself .....Along with the abuse becoming the abuser....The events of this fight made vegita go through existential crisis at the end of the arc.
Somebody said the Artificial Human arc was about empathy which i never throught of that but i do see that,But i always said selfish and arrogance theme colided with the plot of the arc.Then it gets deeper with control...Having it and losing it...characters believing or think they have control of the situation but in reality they don't have control at all of the situation or oneself...It was a lot of giving up in the arc from every Character...
Also Toriyama told the story of"This what happens when you used a weapon with so much force or misused without care it will get wash up or damaged"through Gohan.
Mentally he was damaged at the time when he ascended then those events against cell didn't make him want to get stronger to become his dad successor he became damage goods before he gave it another try at it.
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This is both a nostalgia trip and relevant content, I can't believe how long dragon Ball has been running and I love it
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 your legs are trash
It pleases me to see someone else who holds some of those early Dragon Ball arcs in high regard. It’s more often than not people I’ve talked to about Dragon Ball write-off all the early stuff as nothing more than a stepping stone to Dragon Ball-Z. The world martial arts tournaments are great, though! and one fight doesn’t take half a season of anime to get through 🙂
Thank you so much for this video. Super helpful and well-presented. Your time and effort is most appreciated!
I always love your Dragon Ball content, especially your character analysis’! I was wondering if you would ever make any surrounding the human Z-Fighter characters i.e. Krillin, Roshi, Yamcha, ect... Heck even Mr. Satan would be cool. Maybe even just one on the humans as a whole.
The humans are so under rated/under estemated, and it’s cool that they don’t have a transformation/ easy way to power. (Outside of Krillins boost from Guru.)
They used to have purpose and meaning, and now they are just used as jokes, and can’t even hold a candle due to power scaling even when they put in the hard training time.
(Also side note, the only way I could see them become relevant again is if someone wished for humans to have the same unlimited potential as Saiyans, or if they introduce Universe 6 humans who just got their Earth revived.)
30 seconds in I just have to say what a touching amazing intro we had there, uh it’s just uh.
I love how for the entirety of talking about the garlic jr arc the background videos is a loop of krillin getting beat up
I remember watching the king piccolo fight for the first time, I lost my mind when goku blew through his stomach, I didn’t think that was something people were allowed to animate or something. It was honestly really cool.
It's always so strange to me. GT had some good ideas with being more focused on the Dragon balls again and SS4 is still by far the best looking transformation in the series but horrible execution and Super has overall bad ideas (2 tournaments that you knew were impossible to lose due to stakes for 1) but has some really cool moments. Maybe when the new series comes out eventually they will combine those 2.
GT has some cool moments as well. Super is horrible ideas with bad execution
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GT: Good ideas, most were handled poorly, LOTS of wasted potential.
Super: Loads of bad ideas with the occasional good one that just wasn't handled as well, less wasted potential if only because there was less potential to begin with.
@@espurrseyes42 I can agree with that one, fair enough.
Not with the Baby arc
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Uub was kind of a let down.
I honestly loved the buu arc. Plus the last tournament in the original dragonball is soooo gooooddddd!!!!!
The scene of vegeta crying to goku was the thing that made me love namek, watching the toughest guy around who would not even consider goku a worthy rival a few months ago is begging in his last moments to kill frieza, the line “he needs to die by a saiyan hand” goes so hard, vegeta did not think they would revive him so he knew those could be his last words and wished that kakarot his rival took the win against frieza
Namek is peak
Watching Z Kai for the first time after having started with the orange box edition of Z and man the re-edit realllly does a great job of intensifying the stakes and action of the saiyan arc (as far as I’ve gotten so far)
The line of Freezer->Droids->Mr. Perfect Cell is just so good. I know that a lot of the rapidfire antagonist switching in the latter two is a result of editorial malfeasance but I love how it never lets you get your bearings until Cell attains perfection and just becomes Bug Freeza.
I will always say the Saiyan Saga is the best thing Toriyama ever wrote. Just looking at the art and paneling you can tell he was so inspired and in a creative euphoria while he was making it. It’s not just Goku vs Vegeta that’s incredible about this arc, it’s the fact that the Raditz situation was so bad that Goku had to team up with his nemesis and even still they barely got him. It’s how Nappa spent almost half the arc completely decimating all the characters you got to know and love throughout the past arcs. The Nappa fight feels like it takes forever in the best way possible, by the end of it everyone is either exhausted or dead save for Goku who shows up to give us one of the best fights ever done. That saga is just too good
The Saiyan saga represents Toriyama at his best.
Saiyan - Namek - Freeza arcs are golden.
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 “Mid Ball?”
@@EnnuiPilgrim Saiyan & Androids > Frieza
I'm super happy that the Buu saga got some love. I've said forever that it has some of the most iconic moments in DB. Plus it easily has the best art and animation of any DBZ arc.
Buu saga is my favourite cuz it showed all the characters constantly getting hype power ups and no matter how strong they got they couldnt do a thing , buu being mentally disabled made it so much more chaotic if i was to rank the main arcs it would be
1-buu saga
2-frieza saga
3-cell saga
4-TOP
5-sayan saga (way to overrated imo , its good but not better than top 4)
6-goku black arc
7-beerus arc
8-universe 6 arc
9-gold frieza arc
@@hassanwaseem4186damn good tier list. Buu, Frieza, and Cell saga will forever be in my top 3.
@@hassanwaseem4186trash list 😊
Glad, you're back! ❤
Ma junior arc with a god tier is very true
The animations, the bgm, and the stories are awesome to watch
Greatest saga of all time
Just remember that while GT was meh a music tier list would be DOMINATED by it. GT has some of the BEST music in dragon ball and Dan Dan is easily the BEST DB song.
The Buu Saga is to the Dragonball series what Sonic Heroes is to the Sonic the Hedgehog series.
A fun experience after all is said and done, but BOY there were some glaring problems. Also like Sonic Heroes, it could be considered DB’s last good and first bad arc, if that makes sense.
Yep. After that Dragon Ball never truly became great again and despite much effort to revitalize it in Super it didn't feel right due to how it keeps on repeating the same mistakes as before like more new transformations that devalues the prior forms all for the sake of MARKETING!!, focusing entirely on power levels that determine who wins or loses that devalue any potential and strategic usage Ki might have that doesn't revolve around transformations and finally the fact that all of this resulted in virtually everyone aside from Goku and Vegeta being completely underutilized and treated as afterthoughts by Toriyama is without a doubt one of the biggest frustrations of Dragon Ball Super and a painful indictment that Toriyama's skills as a writer has deteriorated quite a lot.
@@stefanradebach2889 wait until moro arc gets animated, or read it, its great
Huh, Sonic Heroes was fun? I think there were a couple of better games after Heroes.
You made some interesting points my dude.
haven't laughed at an intro that hard in a while 😂
Next up: Ranking every Naruto arc
1. Pain arc
2. Chunin arc
3. The arc where Sasuke was leaving konoha i forgot arc
4. War arc
@@XXX-nd4yc I believe it was called the Sasuke retrieval arc.
TOP TIER
-Chunin exams
-sassuke retrival
-pain assault
HIGH TIER
-Kazekage rescue
-konoha crush
-Fated battle
MID TIER
-War arc (all 3 parts)
-jiraya arc
-itachi pursuit
-Land of waves
LOW TIER
-Tsuande search
-Tenchi bridge arc
-birth of ten tails
BOTTOM TIER
-kaguya arc
90% is garabge tier.
The only great arcs are S rank mission vs Zabuza
Chunnin exam.
Sasuke rescue arc, wish shino was there instead of Choji.
Orochimaru invasion.
and thats all the rest are ok or bellow mediocre.
Pain arc had great moments, but also bad, the shino clan was underused, Anbu was beyond useless. some with Root, i hate Kishimoto for making shino, anbu and root useless like bellow garbage useless.Naruto and DB suffer from mediocre writing skills, good action bad story telling.
How can you have a character like Shino and kick him out from the story.
The Uchiha wank is a bad as Saiyan wank, bot authors loved to make them more OP.
With Bleach at least there where moments where Kenpachi, and other captains shine.
With story like naruto is either Hashiram cell, Uzumaki or Uchiha having millions of hacks.
@@turnermarius4471 Shino is my favorite Naruto character (as well as Kisame), but I'm curious why you keep mentioning Shino as so crucial to the story
I find it hilarious that Garlic Jr. is above the majority of GT
It's also above most of Super if you don't include the manga arc xD
Holy shit you're alive!
@@FibaFanatic top and black are at the top of B tier
@@leultrainstinct406 I put Baby arc in A and Shadow Dragons in B tier in my list.
Love the Brian Drummond shout out. His screams as Vegeta were bone chilling. Especially when Vegeta was mad. I think Sabat fits better with current Vegeta but Drummond absolutely owns villain Vegeta.
I love the Frieza/Namek saga. There was so much heart everytime I watch it. In my opinion it's most iconic and the best.
I got into Dragonball through TFS as a kid and now I have to say,after diving into everything about the actual anime/manga/games and on, I can't believe how much I have absolutely fallen in love with this entire world. It is so amazing how much of an impact it has had on the world and our culture as a whole;to think this all started with someone learning to draw. To anyone reading this who's unsure of starting I'd like to say this. You may not reach exactly what Dragonball has when you start out but remember you never will if you don't at least try. Giving up before you start is unfair to yourself;you never know what you may create.
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@@johnnyd.joestar9222 Mid Ball Run? Yeah
I basically agree with every ranking of this list except I think the Cell Arc should be Z tier. It's my absolute favorite, largely because I think Cell is the best villain Dragon Ball has ever offered up.
Agreed. Personally SSJ2 is my favorite transformation in the series. The electricity, and even SPIKIER hair, and the aura the gohan had against cell was all perfect. Even the narrator steps in to say that for the first time, cell had felt afraid. Cell was scared of Gohan. Gohan was so powerful that even the most powerful villain the series had yet seen was cowering in fear.
Frieza is the best villain in Dragon Ball and is one of the greatest in shonen history
Nah freiza enslaved and destroyed entire planets for his entertainment. No villain in dragonball comes close to Frieza.
I don't agree cause that arc stated to become stupid, like I like the transformations but I hate the fact literally almost everybody had the chance to kill cell before he got his perfect form shows that they just wanted to make this longer. even krillin had a chance to stop cell from getting his perfect form
@@Mono-he1zn While I don't remember everything I do remember that the reasons characters let Cell transform were all in character and didn't feel like just plot devices (they still are that but more hidden)
Very nice video!
This is probably coming because I was a kid and I loved everything about it, but I would put Sayians arc, Frieza arc, Cell arc & Buu arc on god tier for me. Almost of all Dragonball Z. But again, that’s probably because it was half my childhood. 😂
I loved the subtle space duck reference
Hey Mark, where would you rank the DBS: Broly film as you didn’t put it in the tier list. Love your work keep up the good content btw
It's in the movie tier list
@@john-olivierlukama1548 Ah thank you, didn’t know there was a movie list
I quite like the Buu arc. It has a lot of iconic moments and I really like how it book ends the story with another tournament, showing how far the characters have grown from early Dragon Ball. I’m also a sucker for Gohan trying to live a normal life. I agree with it’s A tier placing. It’s good, just not as good as the other Z arcs.
The Future Trunks arc on the other hand is one that I did not like and it’s what killed any motivation for me to finish Super (I did watch that whole arc though). I honestly just felt that Goku Black was a less interesting Baby in concept. I know that’s probably sacrilegious to say, but I really did not enjoy that arc.
Tell me you have watched the Tournament of Power at least. If not, I 10000000% recommend
@@King_Bates00it’s an alright arc, but it has too much padding and unnecessary fights with irrelevant side characters.
One gripe I have with this video is the utter differences between “arc” and “saga” which this generation always oversee.
Whereas an “arc” is a smaller story comprising of a bigger storyline, a “saga” is a collection of arcs that make up a main storyline, such as, example, the “Freeza Saga”, divided into the “Trip to Namek Arc”, “Ginyu Arc” and so on.
Next thing you know, these Gen Zs will change the MCU names from the “Infinity Saga” to the “Infinity Arc”
You're not alone. I also tried to fly like Videl, attempt the kamahama, and would mimick doing the Kaio Ken when playing sports or working out for boost.
I'm pretty sure this was common for kids who watched DBZ lol.
The android saga / cell saga is my favorite... Every character was mysterious and fascinating.
The boo arc is pretty damn close to be honest, it's a lot of fun and I really loved the twists on traditional concepts.
Cell Arc is the best
Agree. Androids were/are the best.
15:50 I can imagine Mark yelling out Kaioken and people are looking at him saying “Kaio what?” 😂😂
The Funky Kong theme was a purely golden detail. Absolutely deserved of a like.
You should do a video on how Toriyama makes a tournament arc, and how to make a similar style of amazingness with other characters and scenarios.
The thing I loved about the buu arc was he was someone I felt could actually be a part of the team. I loved his an hercule relationship. I was all excited to see how pissed vegeta would get having to team with someone MORE immature than Goku
The Super 17 arc is honestly the lowest point of Dragon Ball history. It was awful from start to finish, I had so many issues with it from Android 17s characterisation, power scaling and so many things not making sense. For example the random creation of Hell Fighter 17 with no lab, how he was somehow able to control/manipulate Android 17 and how Super 17 was able to causally beat all the Z fighters yet a kid Super Saiyan Goku out performed all of them against Super 17
People have made things in prison in real life that make you wonder how the hell they made it. From makeshift guns to musical instruments. This is fiction so they stretched their imagination. Re: power scaling, it wasn't even the most egregious. How does Super 17 match SSB Goku or Roshi, Trunks take on Zamasu and Black or Roshi weave past Jiren in Super?
@@FibaFanatic Prison and Hell are not the same thing, Dr Gero and Dr Myu did not die with their equipment for them to make an *entire copy of an living Cyborg* 😐. We weren't even given an explantion on how Hell fighter Android 17 was created as well as how he was able to manipulate Android 17, also why bother powering up Android 17 when Cell was Dr Geros greatest creation? Why not power him up instead?
Re: power scaling yes the power scaling in the Super 17 was horrible, as I already explained Super 17 made quick work of Super Saiyan Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, Gohan, Majuub and Pan then here comes a Super Saiyan kid Goku who out performs them all by a considerable difference which made 0 sense to me. I won't even get started on how Goku in this arc was acting like the DBS anime Goku by allowing Super 17 to get stronger than him not learning his lesson from his battle with Android 19.
I don't see what Super has to with this, the power scaling in this arc was just one of many aspects that made the entire arc *a comfortable F tier.* But fine lets address Super, Trunks vs Zamasu was piss poor power scaling, no defending that but the arc itself was still better than the Super 17 arc easily. Zamasu is the better villain in every capacity, the manga version of the Goku Black arc didn't have any power scaling issues and other characters who weren't Goku actually contributed to the story. In the Super 17 arc Goku did all the heavy lifting making everyone else his back up dancers
@@FibaFanatic Android 17 vs Blue Goku in the DBS anime again *is not defendable but still not relevant to my comment* as well but does has an explantion even though its bs. According to Toriyama before Super was a thing he had said Andorid 17 had been training since the end of the Cell arc. In the manga version Android 17 is comparable or slightly stronger than ToP Goku SSJ3 which to me is more realistic than what the anime did.
Roshi against Jiren wasn't even a battle for me to call that "poor powerscaling", Jiren wasn't even remotely trying against Roshi for that to be considered poor powerscaling to me. Remember killing was not allowed in the ToP, which is why Jiren causally sent Roshi packing. But fine lets say I agree that its poor power scaling, the Super 17 arc was worse in comparison. There has also been worse instances of poor powerscaling in Z than Roshi vs Jiren but Kid Super Saiyan Goku out performing everyone else against Super 17 says it all, like I mentioned before powerscaling *is just one of many issues I had with that arc.* So *bringing up Super doesn't change the reality of how poor this arc was.*
@@j.i.k2.044 Exactly. We weren't shown how Hell Fighter 17 was created so it's left up to the viewer's imagination to fill the gaps. The same way we aren't shown Frieza training in 3 months to become SSB tier, Android 17 training to become SSB tier or Roshi training to defeat Tien who should have a power level in the millions.
Maybe cyborgs (humans with mechanical parts) keep their body in the other world along with all of their mechanical parts? Then Gero simply harvested those parts to create a new android?
Actually, that's proven since we saw Gero and Android 19 in hell.
For me Freeza saga was okay but it's nothing compare to Cell Saga... Freeza saga is just common "Hey we have big enemy here, we need beat him... okey only one guy with plot armour can beat him". Plot of Cell Saga was very complex, I loved this when I was kid and I love this now when I'm adult.
I adore the Cell Saga. I think it feature possibly the best introduction to any villain in anime. I think it's emotional, gut wrenching, terrifying, and every kid's wet dream. It's genuinely the stuff of childhood, but also gets so dark that when you watch it as an adult, you genuinely question how the fuck you were allowed to watch this stuff. But it also plays with themes of passing the torch and New vs Old, which were executed really well. It develops the major characters very nicely, the plot is tightly written, and the story is well paced, and it's just so much fun. I will never forget that final showdown between Gohan and Cell for the fate of the Earth.
That being said, the Frieza/Namek saga is undoubtedly the peak of Dragon Ball imo. I don't think it's ever gotten better since and it never came close before. The Frieza Saga intercuts between three different timelines: Goku's journey to Namek as he slowly comes to terms with his Saiyan heritage and learns to start accepting his nature, Namek with Krillin, Gohan, Bulma, and others as they try to survive and find the Dragon Balls to save their friends, and the villain Frieza as he tries to find the same Dragon Balls to gain immortality. It's cut so well that, regardless of how long the saga is, and trust me it's fucking long, it's still perfectly engaging and episodes fly by. Frieza is a fucking amazing villain. He's by far the most hateable villain in Dragon Ball due to just how ruthless, pathetic, cunning, and sadistic he is. He's single-minded, ego centric, and so ridiculously powerful and evil that, even with his simplicity, he ends up being a hugely memorable and iconic villain, one that has stayed in the minds of future generations. The themes of nature vs nurture are continued from the Saiyan Saga, and developed in new and interesting ways, arguably even more nuanced than in the Saiyan Saga as Goku must now manage to find a good balance between his nurture and his nature.
It's tightly written, extremely well paced, characterizes everyone incredibly well, and has one of the most iconic moments in animated history. So yeah, it's gotta be #1
Original Dragon Ball really is wonderful. As I always say, OG Dragon Ball is SUPER underrated. Absolutely adore the comedy and adventure aspects of it all, as well as the overall lightheartedness of it all.😊
I do love the Frieza saga, though. EASILY the number one for me. DBZ really is incredible. It’s just so much fun to read!😄
I liked, and still like, Garlic Jr. arc because it had Krillin, Gohan and Piccolo save the day without Goku or Vegeta. And I like the mist thing, for... Other reasons.
But yeah, it's not as good as the rest of the arcs up to that point. I'd put it in the same tier as the first arc.