Moro Arc Review - Dragon Ball Super (Super's Best Arc)
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2020
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Dragon Ball Super has been a trip. From Battle of Gods with Beerus and Resurrection F with Freiza (Freeza) early on as the years passed we were introduced to characters like Zamasu, Goku Black, Hit and Jiren through stories like The Universe 6 Arc, Future Trunks Arc and the Universe Survival Arc.
And out of nowhere the show suddenly ended... Fast forward a few years and a movie later and we find ourselves after having received the very first manga original Dragon Ball Super arc.
And... I loved it. And the characters! Moro, Merus, and OH BOY DID I LOVE JACO! I've been extremely critical of Toyotaro and Dragon Ball Super's manga at large but after having gone back over the story all at once, the issues I had prior either vanished entirely or were much more managable. Join me today as I cap off the year with a big Dragon Ball Super review!
MUSIC USED:
-Bardock Falls (MajinBlue Cover)
-Ultimate Battle (GovzLegacy Piano Tutorial)
-M710 - Prologue I (DBZ)
-M1711 - Prologue II (DBZ)
-M501 (DB)
-Museum (Rockman & Forte)
-M-9XX-06 (DBZ)
-M727 (DBZ)
-M-9XX-05 (DBZ)
-M-817 (DBZ)
-M920 (DBZ)
-M1314 (DBZ)
-M303 (DB)
-Perverted Kame Sennin (DBGT)
-Bad Situation (DBGT)
-Vegeto VS Zamasu (Pokemixr92 Cover)
-M814 (DBZ)
-Avatar Theme (Captain Roxas Cover)
-Heroic Battle (Desperate Assault Cover by Pokemixr92)
-Black's Frustration (Pokemixr92)
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this is so amazing thank you for this video, i’ve bee waiting for your full inputs on the story and this didn’t disappoint keep up the amazing videos
Thanks for uploading this on my birthday mark
Are you still reading op? How'd you like chapter 1k?
Don’t pander db tards
"Vegeta has never underestimated his opponents' *compilation of Everytime vegeta has underestimated his opponents'*
it's hard to find an opponent that vegeta didn't underestimate
Goku, Frieza, Cell, Goku Black, Jiren, Moro
I just imagine an edit of the Goku stolen skills scene from DBZA with Vegeta being told all the times he underestimated his foes
Vegeta never underestimates an opponent he overestimates himself
@@edwinseda897 don't forget 18
Moro's design went from a new fresh take on an evil wizard to a bad deviantart Dragon Ball OC
I broke my feet today because I kicked my computer because someone commented that my videos are bad! I hate unjustified criticism. Please wish me a speedy recovery, dear chai
Pretty much Cell 2.0 after he ate 7-3
Ikr??? He was genuinely amazing but then he became just another boring looking combination of Freeza and Cell
@@AxxLAfriku I don't think you should kick your computer because of someone's opinion...
LMAO i don't know if i should laugh or not.
I liked Vegeta saying he's harmed too many Namekians to let Moro harm any of them. It's a great moment.
YES!
Would've been much greater had he ACTUALLY prevented more namekian deaths
Only gets dampened by namekians getting slautered despite that. At least most of them got revived at the end
@@stew20 he brought the whole planet back from the brink of death with spirit fission what’s your point lol
@@leultrainstinct406 he still didn't prevent them from being murdered
This Vegeta, Hav and I feel, is the beginnings of his End of Z persona.
Didn't expect to see you here. I feel like Vegeta in Battle of the Gods already had his End of Z persona, when he threw away his pride to prevent beerus from destroying the planet.
Nice seeing you here
Teleporting Masako to a Mark video.
_So this is the power of Ultra Muffin Button..._
MARKETING
Masako, I love your vids, but please point out what the heck you mean when you say “End of Z *persona* “
“Oh hey that One Piece guy made a video on Dragon Ball”
He should make in depth character analysis of DB characters
Extremely underrated comment
He should devote his RUclips career to making analysis of Dragon Ball Characters for a year then suddenly change into making another analysis on another anime
Oh god, I wonder what he'll do for the next section of Wano.
@@_neon-xeon_3966 Totally Not Mark. The Big O guy.
This arc actually did justice to Yamcha, who trained, and led a group of galactic patrol to their own respective victory. I did not expect that at all.
Yeah, the non top 4 Z fighters hadn’t got such respect since the Saiyan/Frieza saga.
Well, there was Tien holding Semi perfect Cell like a goddamn boss, but you get what I am saying.
I definitely want to see more of that sort of thing
@@ValGOPLock same
I believe Yamcha can be a very potential source for very good character development. Uptill now, Yamcha has been over too cocky to underestimate his opponent and let his guard down and resulting him dying to finally giving up fighting as scale got very high. Unlike Tien who still trained even knowing he would never be in saiyans league, he was atleast in TOP. But what embarrassment for Yamcha that Roshi got picked instead of him and he had low PL than him. That embarrassment enough could be motivation enough for him to train again so that he won't be far away from Krillin and Tien atleast. So an arc which helps Yamcha overcome all his character backdraw can be a very good arc even if it's a small training arc as well.
With that, Yamcha has become more important than Tien
to be fair, vegeta never underestimated his opponents, he overestimated himself
the perfect explanation
he really belive his hype that much
@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA I AM THE HYPE
stolen comment
@@nexus9677 Not you Vegeta
Honestly when I was reading the manga, it suddenly clicked for me at some point that Merus was something I’d never seen in anime. He was (for lack of better term) a god with a mortal complex. His training was to make him the neutral ground an Angel is supposed to be, but his exposure to the world around him influenced him that gave a god who’s supposed to be neutral, a moral compass. It is amazing!
Mérus was honestly a pretty fascinating character. He was a huge highlight for this saga !!
Superman?
@@PeaceOfMind8190 superman is a nonexample. It was changed so much by different writers that he's just not a relevant character to discuss from a cohesive story telling perspective. Does what I say make sense? im a lil high rn so im not 100 on wat i just said. (soz english isnt my 1st language)
Wow, I never looked at it that way. A god with a mortal complex, interesting...
Fujin from mk11 is also a good example
I just realized Merus' development is like Zamasu's but in the right direction instead of the wrong.
straight up. I think the author and Toriyama really underplayed Zamasu’s influence in the story.
Hell, they could’ve used his example of a “failed Kai” to justify the “defeated Universes = erasure” in the ToP.
Not necessarily saying “Zamasu was right”, but at least mentioning him and taking into consideration what his actions meant for the system of Angels Kais and Mortals as a whole. And, with the final wish by 17/ Goku, they would confirm Zamasu was indeed wrong and that mortals weren’t barbaric beings that would crumble themselves.
Hopefully what happened with Merus ends up having an influence in the universe later on, hell, the fact that THE grand priest himself resurrected him shows some trace of that impact.
Well we will see what he s going to do in the future
We still need more focus on characters like Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, and Goten and Trunks (WHO NEED TO AGE), as well as Pan and Bulla, and Uub
@@yusufgazi7 Goku was really small until he turned 17, so Trunks and Goten like that too
@@4am555
Goku is a full Saiyan,
Gohan is half and actually grew in the Cell Saga,
Teen Gohan.
I'm a bit dissapointed, that you didn't talk about the usage of Boo in this Arc, as it is, in my opinion, the first good use of him in all of Super.
Heck that’s the best thing he ever did after z cause in gt majuub was utter useless
it was a total ass pull tho...but it was the best use of buu in super and thats disappointing
@@vegamatic2434 How was it an asspull? The essence of the supreme kai remaining in Buu was not an asspull at all, I've always thought that was a possibility.
Although I am a huge fan of buu and also a bit disappointed Mark didn't talk about him, it does kinda make sense since he really didn't do much besides dominating Moro, which makes little sense power scaling wise, and then sleep again through the whole arc until the very end.
He’s about as ex machina as it gets lmao
The fact that Yamcha got to fight and be badass again makes this arc one of the best in my eyes.
I was surprised that Yamcha could take part in the action because for so long Yamcha had correctly been portrayed as a person who gave up when he couldn’t contribute in power levels.
indeed. Gotta love how Toyotarou slipped that “I’ll have you know I am one of the 3 strongest humans”. Yamcha finally gets some love :)
@@danielz-v4083 I assume that he doesn't count the androids?
@@tsioulak you answered yourself, mate.
“ANDROIDS”
Badass? He is just fighting some unnamed goons
"We've been waiting forever to see vegeta save goku" *sad Android 19 noises*
Technically that wasn’t out of his heart,the 19 battle was to show off
@@coolerreviews6580
What is your wish, Lord Popo?
@@coolerreviews6580
Is it time for we to lay waste of this world?
@@nestoreleuteriopaivabendo5415 Nah,give em a couple 3 years,see how well can they do
@@coolerreviews6580 thank you lord popo for your forgiveness.
I’m a Japanese dude who happens to live in America, and I want to say something.
1.The phrase “Vegeta has never been one to underestimate his opponent” is actually a little different in the Japanese version of the manga. In the Japanese manga, it says 「相手の力を知らないようなやつではない。」In short, this says that “Vegeta isn’t the type of person to not know his opponents strength”. So it’s really similar, but it implies a bit of a different meaning. It doesn’t really say that Vegeta hasn’t underestimated his opponent cuz that’s dumb, more like he knows his opponents strength. So maybe it’s more of Vegeta’s pride and overconfidence that comes into the equation, rather than him not knowing his opponents strength. If I recall correctly, Vegeta said something about wanting to stay away from Frieza because it would be bad if something happened. So he clearly doesn’t “underestimate” the evil lizard, it’s more that he thinks he can win from the Zenkai boosts he got on Namek following up to the boss battle.
That’s my take, i might really just be stupid and overthinking this, but it’s something I wanted to say. But yeah, saying Vegeta has never underestimated his opponents is dumb.
Edit: I suck at typing
Also, that Japanese phrase is in the present tense, right? That also makes much more sense, Vegeta isn't the blind prideful bastard he was in DBZ
That's a pretty small translation error that has quite a big impact on that scene.
Thanks for the clarification
Your comment deserve to be pinned.
Geez this makes me wonder what else was lost in translation
I think Vegeta usually doesn't underestimate his opponents, rather, i think his main problem is that he Overestimates himself. Vegeta is a very strategic and tactical fighter. He fights with caution, but his own pride and overconfidence get in the way. Vegeta knew Perfect Cell would be obscenely powerful, but he algo though his own strength was greater, which it wasn't. He also took Goku seriously enough to fight him personally, yet "knew" that a low class Saiyan, even one as gifted as Goku, couldn't beat the Prince. He doesn't misread his opponent's strength, only his own.
*When Mark finally makes a Dragon ball video for the first time in 7 months*
We're about to enter HxH arc according to polls
7 months? 7 dragon balls? Someone did a wish
This!
Its been way too long
@@kelemi4784 HUNTERXHUNTER?? LETS GOOO
This arc really shows why Toyotaro was chosen as Toriyama successor, when given the chance hes able to make a great story when he isn't following someone elses
For real, I like his stories but i gotta admit his drawing/paneling still has a long way to go. some of the dialogue was pretty lacking as well but honestly that says as much about his editors as it does for himself.
@@TheFightConnoisseur we don't really know how much of the dialog is his fault since Toriyama wip straight up change lines if he wants too
Man, they really need to stop insulting their fanbase's intelligence by having to explain everything through random exposition. Please show, don't tell.
No, they're giving the animators easy scenes to animate
Man, DB has never been "Show, don't tell"
"Tell, don't show" Is the only way the writers know how to show their characters are getting stronger
Tbf, db fans are not smart at all.
@@dylancross1039 I tried to play the devil's advocate and think back of examples but really couldn't. There was a lot of hyped up motive driven dialogue but not play by play convos of every little combat scene.
Vegeta got the greatest character development he's ever had in this arc. He learned an actual TECHNIQUE that isn't a new way to blast energy at people.
Fr. Also that scene where Moro asks vegeta if he believes he’s going to hell, and vegeta says yes. That whole moment was meant to show the true effects of guilt and how in vegeta’s case, he believes he’ll never be truly redeemed no matter how many times he saves the universe, even tho everyone around him knows he’s going to heaven. That was a side of vegeta Ive never seen before it was beautiful but also pretty damn sad to know that’s how much guilt he was carrying. For some reason, everyone overlooked that moment and criticized it because they only took it at face value.
@@leultrainstinct406 Seriously
That they nerfed twice......
@@zenithpath8707 wasn’t nerfed at all. The time he got defeated was Moro outplaying, and later on when he uses on “earth fused Moro”, he significantly weakened him. ffs, he was literally separating a guy from a planet. That’s not nerfed
Always cool to see Vegeta acknowledge his mistakes...like, it's cool because even while being a prideful person, he understand that he has wronged, and that he want to redeem himself. This is why Vegeta...is my 2nd favorite, right after Goku😁
Frieza watching the whole thing: Da fuck they doin’ over there?
Frieza must've felt moro's energy, i hope we see his reaction to it.
@@jantheking7028 Freeza showed up in an extra chapter, reasoning that he's too busy building up his empire back to worry about "criminal activities" (which Freeza is not, he is a "businessman")
Freeza the capitalist pig
@@Grizzexploder Oh, thanks.
@@jantheking7028 Frieza can't sense ki tho so I doubt that.
I actually cried when reading Vegeta's line "I have done the people of this planet the Namekians untold harm, so no I cannot allow even one more of them to suffer." I truly felt like the full circle moment of his entire character arc. When you read that line it takes you all the way back to the atrocities he committed on Namek and you see what makes Vegeta the best character im Dragon Ball.
Can I ask you something?
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon have you asked yet
@@TotallyTally no he hasn't asked yet
@@chubz6211 one day we'll know...
Dude if you cried at that part wtf? You probably cried for weeks when vegeta died
If mister "Pain makes me stronger" can make a goddamn scythe of ki and rip appart dimensions with it, Goku can manipulate his aura to make a giant version of himself.
Goku actually used aura to make A Stand lol
Exactly. Ki manipulation has always been a thing in db. The things they can create all depends on the character, their creativity, and amount of ki control. in order to fit the situation he was in: he needed something big to hold Moro still while he went in for the final blow. So he projected his ki into a giant avatar that could help achieve this goal. Anyone saying it’s an ass pull doesn’t understand ki.
I'd say Goku Black wasn't ilogically strong in the manga, he was all about zenkais. On the other hand, since DBZ, DB fighters are able to materialize their ki in different forms and not just blast, take a look on Gotenks' kamikaze ghosts attack. Goku just made a giant avatar from ki, defintely not an asspull
@@wolfzeru5745 I still find stupid that Zamasu can make Goku's body stronger through zenkais but Goku barely gets shit from them, Vegeta too btw.
@@bloodraptor Goku and Vegeta are not able to use them anymore since Frieza arc. While Goku Black, it was more about using zenkais to merge his godly to ki to the saiyan cells of Goku's body. Since he stole the body he couldnt use all his potential, just like Ginyu. Zenkais are able to adapt the body with its inner potential (accordying to the DB wiki page)
IMO the worst part about the 2nd half of the Moro arc is he lost his ram-like face and became a Cell lookalike
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I know right
Ikr
True but iirc that was only for a very short time.
He only had that form for like 5 chapters, the rest was angel moro and planet moro.
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vegeta being more a character who owns up to his imperfections is always something i’ll appreciates. i remember re watching the wrath of the dragon dbz movie and there is a scene where hirudegarn fires a blast at vegeta while he’s in a building with innocent civilians. you can see him look both ways and then make the decision to block the attack instead of flying away in order to save the civilians.
Hearing Mark talk about this Arc makes Me want an Anime adaptation.
We will it’s just when
@@Deathmare235eventually... eventually
3 years later, nothing changed
My biggest issue with Moro came with his combat. Moro was set up to be an all powerful Mage and really showed that off in the Namek part of the story. But as the story continued he just kept using more martial arts, instead of magic, taking away the feature that made combat with Moro really fresh and interesting.
Yea I wanted to see Moro magic. There was like with his absorption and ability to become one with a planet, but I wanted more fighting magic. I was part of the point tho. The more greedy and power-obsessed he became, he lost more of himself. That’s why he started using less magic and solely relied on his greed. And in the end he got all the power but lost his sanity.
Reminds of the differences between Merged Zamasu in the Anime and Manga. In the anime, Merged Zamasu hovers over the battlefield like the true god he believes himself to be, and refuses to dirty his hands by fighting the Saiyans in direct combat, that is until his mortal half starts affecting the balance of his fusion. In the manga, however, Merged Zamasu is just another guy using his fists and martial arts to try and win, and just feels like another muscle-head villain. He doesn't even put up an impressive fight compared to his anime counterpart.
@@kamikazelemming1552 I actually found the manga Goku Black to be interesting because the contrast came from how the Savage Saiyan instincts manifested itself through Goku's body while Zamasu was in the driver's seat against how Goku channels these instincts in a much healthier fashion. Goku controls them while Zamasu just got taken over.
I was curious about that side of Moro to, but I couldn't really think of any magical combat ideas for Dragon Ball outside of maybe some elemental magic, but even that seems a little cliche.
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc I actually had the opposite problem, any esoteric ideas for magic in a fight I could think of just seemed too broken, like I expected him to like manipulate matter or bend reality or something, but then I would think “ok but how is goku supposed to fight that”.
Moro... he was a formidable opponent but when you get to his final form he's just another idiot
Dominic Saint-Victor
Yee
Pretty much
discount goat Cell.
Agreed. I could've forgiven this if his new design was much cooler.
That mostly applies to Moro 73, Angel Moro and Planet Moro were actually cool. I liked planet moro, the whole idea of "you are what you eat".
The month long cliff hangers are nothing for a Berserk fan.
Now we have an eternal cliffhanger 😔
@@nyetnyetcykablyat9483 apparently miura trained his apprentices if e was unable to finish it.
Or hxh fans
This arc was the best dbs arc. However, I still have a feeling that the stories in dragon ball super rely on call backs to DB and DBZ. Tho the ending of this arc was impressive, I want to see dragon ball super break out of it's mold and create its own moments worthy being showcased as call backs
I hope that this new Granola arc do that. I've seen the new trailer of the arc and it seems to be so epic, maybe even fixiing the power scales to a good ones
@@juanmanuelninopina4808 The overall concept of the new arc sounds like Baby, but if Toriyama and Toyotarou can pull it off to be be different from Baby while mantaining the general concept, this coudl go down as one of the best arcs.
@@jantheking7028 Baby has my favorite Villain backstory in DB, and villain design(Super Baby 2), I would be hype if he got put in Super.
@@whoopie8107 Bruh, he doesn't need to be in DBS anymore, Granola seems like the better version of him so far.
@@jantheking7028 I didn't say he NEEDS to be in dbs, I'm just saying I like him
"Moro's powers are the perfect counter to power creep"
Toriyama solved this ages ago with androids 19 and 20, but editor had to push for the mecha tweens.
You mean teens?
And I'm glad that editor did, whoever they were. 17 and 18 are amazing
We would have never gotten cell
@@zenithpath8707 I didnt mind the concept of Lizard Cell, another great example of Toriyama fixing the power creep by making a character that just eat it and becomes a bigger threat with each opponent he kills. He could have go trough his metamorphosis just by eating more and more powerful people and so the mecha tweens wouldnt be necesary.
Moro’s powers were one of the best aspects of dbs. Only thing I hated about him was when he absorbed 73 and became “Cell 2” both in design and fighting style.
That said, it was a really damn cool seeing Moro be able to use MUI due to absorbing Merus. Like, top 5 moments in all of Db imo.
Idk, I just loveeeeeed seeing a Villain suddenly go from being beatable to literally going toe to toe with the protag and probably one of the strongest beings in all of the universes in a spam of seconds... too bad he became Semi perfect cell seconds later...
Honestly, if this ever gets an anime adaptation, I think there’s a lot to look forward to
Dbs is a cash cow, it will
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I agree with you. Mojok
*Filler has joined the chat*
Naaah that Susanoo Goku
I hate how people argument for saying this arc sucks was “vegeta didn’t get the kill”
For real I guess the cell saga sucked because vegeta didn’t kill cell after trunks died
Red Ribbon saga sucks because Vegeta didn't get the kill.
@@Rahhelthethird 100%
King piccolo saga sucked too vegeta didn’t even get one hit in on piccolo
@Dead soul you definitely haven’t been seeing any dragon ball content on any social media then because it was everywhere
@Dead soul go watch peoples thoughts on it they literally say that the saga would’ve somehow been better if vegeta won
When this is animated, I can't wait for the lair showings so censoring isnt a problem, their are so many brutal moments in the manga to not be left out
You better hope it's not going overseas just yet. If it does hello censors.
Man I’ve been complaining bout this. There isn’t any tension when your battle scars are gray lines
4 things I can't wait to see animated
-Moro copying UI
-The clash of Goku Ui and Moro Ui
-Mastered UI trigger ( reference to Super saiyan for the first time)
- Goku give Moro a sensu bean
People who don't follow manga are gonna lose their shit
@@ceros1901 yeah it's called storytelling
18:35 "A pecking order"
We already have the only order necessary. It goes you, the dirt, the worms inside the dirt, Popo's stool, Kami, then Popo.
TFS has confirmed that zeno is stronger, I think? So it's more like you, the dirt, the worms inside the dirt, popo's stool, kami, demon lord popo, zeno.
@@theinsanegamer1024 and popo
I really liked this arc. Moro is an interesting and cunning villain. I just wish he retained his original face after transforming. Merus's story is also fascinating
Well, it’s all about his dead frigging beauty.
I totally believed I was the only one with a problem with Full Power Moro's face. Why does he look like first Form Freiza?
@@ToadJones I thought he looked like Perfect Cell
@@SamsarasArt Perfect Cell has the face lines and head jewel thing Freezas did
@@ToadJones true though I guess why Cell came to mind before Freeza when Moro transformed was the lack of lipstick.
The fact that this all works better being read back to back rather than in short spurts shows the level of careful writing and note taking. They made this so that upon revisiting it, it would be better because of the pacing.
This arc would have been top 3 for me (Behind Cell/android saga and Frieza saga) if Vegeta just got the dub. Vegeta winning would have been such a push in character development (I would even argue completed his character development). His own "atonement" for the sins against the Namekians.
He resurrected the namekians with spirit fission tho
it maked more sense that goku got the win in this arc tho
Not really, he fully developed in the Buu saga ayer he admits mahatma Goku is better not because of just pure strength but in his character. He decided to stop chasing after Kakorat
@@oscar3153 that’s not full circle though. Admitting Goku was better than him doesn’t make up for the namekians he killed OR the humans he killed in the tournament under Babidis spell 100 episodes previously. His thirst for wanting to better than Goku was absolutely resolved beautifully as he’s doing his own thing now with UE, but that part would have been resolved especially since he, in his heart, still thinks he’s a villain and destined for hell
@@KiddFenix That’s solved in the Ganohola arc where we learns to,let go of his guilt and thus gets Ultra Ego. He WAS destined for hell lol. He was a villain
Alright 2020, you’re done for. Say goodbye.
Goku: “SENZU BEAN!”
I dont why giggled/laughed at your comment since People think 2021 is magicicly gonna fix things 😂
with how things are going, this might be true
@@manemanen i always thinked 2021 will be worse than 2020 (at least in the early months)
krillin: NOO
NNNNOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Merus is the Zamasu that turned good, without any bad influence resulting into a twisted ego
Facts. The zamasu that witnessed both sides and decided to have faith in good instead of having no faith at all
No, Merus is like the opposite of Toppo. Toppo had to throw away his justice centered morals and become God of Destruction to have as chance of winning the tournament of power. On the otherhand, Merus became an angel after accepting his morals and turning away from his actual role.
@@jantheking7028 i guess the comparison is applicable to both. I said zamasu because they both divine beiings, wanting to help in the universe. Because of their status they dont really have the ''right'' to intervene in these matters. Lets not forget that ultimately after destroying all mortals, zamasu was going to recreate life, to make it ''better'' (debatable lol). Merus chose to protect (the best he can) the already present life. anyways u get what im trynna say i think
False, Zamasu was correct
@@kaizerdxd i actually agree lol
People seem to hate how goku spared Moro and gave him a bean, but it wasn’t really out of character. From what I can tell goku doesn’t want to kill. From gokus perspective at that point Moro was a helpless person who couldn’t fight back. While other characters would leap at the opportunity to finish Moro off goku doesn’t want to beat him like that. Also he believed(rightfully so) that he could beat him.
Not to mention his relationship with merus also changed his perspective .This being shown with how instead of being getting mad for merus’ death he accepted it and was calm
Yeah, it's frustrating. He did kill Kid Buu though.
Piccolo, the Nameksplainer.
His wink to the camera will last an entire episode of the anime.
He broke the fourth wall
Piccolo: Vegeta always been known to train harder than any of us
Vegeta: I WANNA, I WANNNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN!!!!😭
"I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA!
@@basstheaudio Vegeta: push ups, sit ups, and plenty of juice
@@joeker5208 tfs shit
@@saucey1840 it’s from the funimation English dub
"Oh trust me there is more than one way to realize the legend..."
"Vegeta has never been one to underestimate his opponents" is very true if you simply ignore the fact that underestimating his opponents is like 50% of his character
That line combined with Goku idiotically giving Moro a Senzu kinda communicates that Toyo doesn't fully understand the characters he's controlling.
Vegeta doesn’t underestimate his opponents. He overestimates his own power and ability to win. There’s a difference and piccolo was right.
@@DLxxx that senzu bean scene is VERY misunderstood. The whole point was to show goku’s character development from the effect merus had on him, and how he was truly carrying on his will and the dream he trusted him to protect.
@@DLxxx if more ppl understood it they’d appreciate the arc more
@@leultrainstinct406 Exactly, most of the people complaining have very selective memory. They even forgot the scene where Merus literally tells Goku that the job of a true galactic patrol officer is to reform villains. And you are also right about Vegeta overestimating his own power. Vegeta KNEW how strong Frieza, Cell, and Jiren were, but he went to fight them anyway because he overrestimated himself.
Personally, I loved this arc and reading it it brought back so many memories from the original DB and DBZ. I love the character that Merus is, I love Vegeta and I love the concept of Moros. This arc didn’t feel like what Dragon Ball Super is being seen as (lazy, money grabbing), It felt like the masterpiece that is DBZ. of course there are some flaws but the feel of the story, the situation feeling dangerous and like something could go wrong even if you know Goku would manage to defeat the Villain, really makes this arc one of the best stories I’ve ever read in DBS
@tamama db fans when someone has a different opinion: 😱😱😱😱😱
@@Kyeafbre yeah they suck all the fun
Thank you for this video good sir! I loved this arc and would rate it a 10/10! My favorite aspect of the arc was Merus character, it was a great new character.
(Sry for bad English) I just completed this arc today it was amazing and also something fresh like the z fighters hopping into some action, making a good use of buu moro was an interesting villain with great abilities also i liked that goku arrived to fight moro before vegeta (in the last battle) because goku always arrives in the end and takes the win but this time goku was unable to beat moro and then vegeta came in like a badass it was all ready fun now i am excited for next arc
Facts merus is easily one of my favorite db characters of all time.
@@leultrainstinct406 i am just waiting for next chapter only few more days man i am excited
Vegeta never underestimates his opponents. He overestimates himself.
Exactly piccolo was right
Vegeta's whole character during the Saiyan Saga was underestimating Goku tho
I really feel like he underestimated Toppo tho in ToP. Least he won in the end
@Orwellian Future Is Now Yall really stretching and seemingly ignore everything for Vegeta
@@leultrainstinct406 no he wasn't
While these arcs had their issues, the memes were great.
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The memes are always great lol
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DB has always had great memes.
Memes are always shit
After reading this, I have a newfound respect for Goku's character. especially towards the end
mark literally watched the entire one piece series whilst waitng for the moro arc to finish
Moro: Normal form- whoa he’s like the new king piccolo
Moro; final from- a dragon ball heroes character / xenoverse create an character
walmart perfect cell
This comment is actually not wrong about the heroes design,i watched the commercial anime and watched a good amount of the game i can confirm that character design in heroes is whack as fuck for the original characters
"Goku's wound is deep"
-Dende, on somethin' different.
"This will take longer because of his god stuff" *proceeds to take a normal amount of time*
"Little Green"
@@davidhong1934 "I understood that reference"
Anyone else feel kinda disappointed that he didn't call it the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc?
a bit too wordy
Eh, most people use catchier names for the arcs compared to the official ones
God of Destruction Beerus arc - BoG
Golden Freeza arc - RoF
Universe 6/U6 arc is fine enough
Future Trunks/FT arc - Goku Black arc
Universe Survival/US arc - Tournament of Power/ToP arc
Galactic Patrol Prisoner/GSS arc - Moro arc
Granolah the Survivor arc - Granolah arc
@@sKolo843 naw he just didn't think of that cmon now
@@Grizzexploder Has nothing to do with "catchier" imo. Especially for the first two, those aren't really "catchier," those are just the movie names lol. Not to mention you purposefully abbreviate because if you didn't abbreviate, it'd be painfully obvious they aren't catchier at all
Glad that Uub FINALLY got introduced. I complained from the beginning of Super that I was kinda upset that he wasn't in it. I love Uub.
Wasn't Uub already introduced in the Top arc
@@jahnaviketha6300yes, at least in the anime
@@dankerbellmanga too I believe
Love him? 😂
You cannot call that a character
"Vegeta has never underestimated his opponents" *laughs in cell arc*
Edit:thanks ive never gotten
yo moma before, she helped me get a baby
Laughs in almost every Arc
Laughs in all of Dragonball
Because you see, Frieza, you're not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore...
@Logan Harvey ???
@Logan Harvey Well Vegeta and the saiyans were introduced in the manga which is under the label "Dragonball".
That Moro Thumbnail Looking Cold asf
I honestly am really impressed with Toyotaro. I think he will be a very good successor to Toriyama.
No no no no no. God no. Fucking think man my God.
Yup I agree. All these other Dragon Ball fan-mangas fail to capture Toriyama's artstyle, comedy, and combat style. The only person I see who has actually been able to capture Toriyama's exact style is Toyotarou, and he has only continued to get better and better so far. During the Black Goku arc, Toriyama was frequently correct Toyotarou's drawings, but then by the Moro arc, Toyotarou gained more creative freedom because Toriyama trusted him more. As a result, Toyotarou delivered 2 of the best DB arcs: Moro arc, and Granolah arc. I'm excited to see where Toyotarou goes from here.
No dumb F 😂
Hes the one that ruined dragon ball.
@@goblin3810cry about it kid can’t handle change
Toriyama makes the story. Don't give Toyotaro credit for anything other than the drawings.
Moro arc has confused emotions of us but it was still cool
turtle burger
Literally best arc in DBS
@@bigenson18 doesn't make it that good
@@davidcastanheira4361 Except for the fact that it actually IS good, most of the complaints started around chapter 65.
@@bigenson18 That's a very very low bar to clear.
Moro arc: *gets animated*
lord frieza accounts: its free real estate
Underrated comment
I don't get this joke?
@@jantheking7028 neither do i
@@jantheking7028 there is a really stupid account called LORD FRIEZA and has a bunch of alts with the same name and they just upload clips from dbz and dbs so they'd probably do it with moro arc
@@oogabooga7780 oh lol
Arc is goated. Brought goku back to form in a tangible canonical way. (Reasserting his long forgotten heroic side.) And Made Vegeta a badass who learned from his mistakes.
I genuinely think this arc is what happens when torotaro was allowed the reins on an arc instead of toriyama meddling. It was the first time I felt like I was watchinf a story unfold, not watching hazbro cream over new merch
Oh Lord I just realized, I'm not getting my hopes up or anything, but Granolah's whole grudge with Saiyans and Freeza could flow REALLY well into reimplementing Broly back into the story
YES PLEASE!
finally a dragon ball vid, not that I didn't like the one piece content. You got me into one piece
That’s 🔥
@@fackimgoingtocummm6302 pig burger
Oh cool how far are you( on one piece)
@@user-ko2ml4fo6o Episode 571
@@cradodragmire1563 read the manga
wow, this arc was much, much better in binge form. kinda crazy how much that effects your perception of content
Nah
I liked it even seeing it from month to month, but to be fair probably everything in the planet is better seen in binge from besides maybe SDS season 3.
I hated waiting cuz this arc was too good. Had me excited every single month. Other than that it was cool to see it month to month. It built things up even more in a way.
This arc aint that good
@@insertnamehere658 sshhhhhh
My takeaway from this review is that binging the manga is better than reading it as it comes out.
Kinda but the real moral is that monthly mangas can cause more disappointment rather than hype
@@sidecharacter3193 True. I wish this was weekly like the og manga, even if it had even shorter chapters as a result.
DBS haters denying its canon when it says written by Akira Toriyama 🥴
@LeoGBA that is the worst excuse i've heard lol. Its crazy that they say that.
@LeoGBA toriyama not involved? He is def involved
In what world did anyone say it's not Canon?
It's just a bad show is what it is.
@@adoogabadooga9271 kinda crazy even doe it’s bad miles better then gt lmao.
@@adoogabadooga9271 A lot of people try to say that Battle of Gods and everything that comes after is non canon, which is an objectivley false claim.
I'm so used to the Pirate Mark style that the Dragonball Mark caught me off guard! 2020 has been a rough year for everyone and this will probably get buried in the comments but I want to thank you for getting me into the wonderful world of One Piece. I loved looking forward to every Thursday where you talked about this awesome series. Here's to a better year and here's to more Totally Not Mark!
"The best arc of Super thus far"
To be fair, that's not a very high bar to clear.
Broly technically counts as an arc, the bar is decently high.
@@LJ-hk4tv I don't think that has made it to the manga yet, so it can be called the best arc in the manga since they have their own parallel stories
Morgil
Agreed
@@TimilehinOlaokun it did, in the form of an ad. Within the panels of the manga.
Dragonball is ass now.
@@TimilehinOlaokun it did, they tell you it happened and to watch the movie then continue the manga. They just skipped it instead of redoing it.
A qualm I have from this arc is part of how Goku’s character development kinda waddles between the childish “Super” Goku and the more serious-esque Z character of Goku. It seemed inconsistent in some parts.
That's how he was in the Dragon ball super Broly movie
@@SuperPeterok I know. As a matter of fact, he was also like that within different parts of Super as a whole.
The manga version of DBS goku has always been more or less similar to the past variations. It's the anime version that people don't like.
I was so hyped reading this! The new arc seems exciting, too!
Glad to see you 180'd from that "Troubled Chapters" take. Moro saga wasn't perfect but God damn was it a significant step in the right direction. Ya'll just have to be patient sometimes.
@@pascalsimioli6777 you wrote all that for nothing. I dont even think dragonball is the greatest manga. I think DBS is mediocre, but in terms of this very specific plot point in the moro arc, a lot of people called it too early without allowing the plot to unfold. He was dead wrong and he admitted it. You wrote all that nonsense thinking you were saying something significant
@@pascalsimioli6777 what a weirdo
@@scoot143 tbh DBS isnt really mid. It's mid COMPARED to dbz but as a standalone? Not so much. Something that is truly mid would be boruto or tokyo revengers (no flame)
People keep comparing the senzu bean moment to the cell arc when I personally think it has more in common with the ending of the frieza arc. Goku is being merciful to an opponent who no longer has any chance of actually beating him, the previous chapter made that very clear. Hell when Morro attacks Goku after eating the bean all he does is cripple himself. Goku had nothing to fear from this man anymore, he’s ceased to be a threat. The only reason he becomes one again is because of a desperate Hail Mary that even Morro wasn’t aware of at the time. It’s not like Goku was just gonna let him go either, he was planning on placing Morro back into custody and, after Morro attacks him again, killing him. People complain about it and how it’s a stupid thing Goku did, but in the proper context it seems perfectly fine to me.
I really wish more people read your comment
The senzu bean thing can be reconciled if you take in, the philosophical background of Son Goku's character archetype.
The character archetype of Goku, is a synthesis of Shintoism, Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism. In this case,
For Buddhism they believe in innate buddhahood for all sentient beings(which includes all evil doers like King Piccolo, Frieza, Cell, Kid Buu, Zamasu, and even Moro). Goku is like a "Bodhisattva" which, are enlightened beings who strive to get others to achieve enlightenment and awakening.
They believe in universal compassion. This is why Goku is written to be pure "kokoro" (heart) and empty minded. forgiving, as well as doing things like giving a senzu bean, or giving mercy to the most malicious beings in the universe.
Goku's character archetype is based on the central character in Journey to the West, Son Wukong. The story is about a tale of retrieving buddhist scrolls from India.
It's also apparent that Eastern Philosophy is there. Because historically, Buddhism spread from India to China and then Japan. As it spread to China. The Shaolin Monks incorporated Buddhism into their martial arts(Kung fu) as it spread to Japan, in influenced the way of the warrior, or Bushido. (Zen Buddhism)
One of the coolest things to come from Dragon Ball, is "Migatti No Gokui". Geekdom101 did a video on it's basis, which is Mushin. However, I also believe it to be a reference to a real life swordsman named Miyamoto Musashi, he founded a Zen Buddhist school of thought, for kenjutsu technique called niten'ichi (二天一, "two heavens as one") or nitōichi (二刀一, "two swords as one") or 'Niten Ichi-ryū' (A Kongen Buddhist Sutra refers to the two heavens as the two guardians of Buddha).
All of Son Goku's lessons from his martial arts masters(Roshi, Korin, Popo, Kami, King Kai, Whis, and even Merus, have all led up to his spiritual culmination, the mastery of self movement.
Goku being a pure and empty minded being, is the first step in spiritual enlightenment in achieving such a state. Goku's inner aggregates is his selfish desire to fight. He queals this desire to fight (even if temporarily) and that is what allows him to achieve Ultra Instinct.
In the East, specifically in terms of Buddhism, the primary struggle facing people is the cultivation of self and freeing themselves from the cycle of samsara. Those who selfishly pursue things will be forced to endlessly reincarnate and thus, continue to experience "dukka"(suffering) and "anatta"(impermance) until they let go of the five aggregates of Buddhism.
In Confucianism, You have a humanist centered philosophy, that espouses, the flourishing of society as being the best good. Anything deviating from this or the virtues of a enlightened individual in society leads to the imbalance and gives the impression of "Evil". that is Specifically to "way of the gentlemen" are benevolence (ren 仁), righteousness (yi 義), ritual propriety (li 禮), wisdom (zhi 智), and trustworthiness (xin 信).
However, in Shintoism, there is a struggle and balancing of kegare ("pollution" or "impurity"), while ensuring harae ("purity"). Which contradicts some Buddhist ideas of the non-self(atman)
I really think people need to understand that the Eastern Philosophy in Asian cultures is vastly different than in Western cultures.
In regards to Metaphysics and Ethics, it is night and day on concepts of Gods and Evil.
For example, Evil in the East is not a "substance" in a monist point of view. It does not have matter associated with it.
In the West, from a theological point of view, St. Augustine viewed evil as a "privation of good" he didn't believe Evil was created since that would deconstruct the presumption that a God was perfect in the sense of omnipotent, all good, and omniscient.
Also in the West, people tend to believe in a concept in Theodicy called the "vale of soul making". This would be the explaination for the problem of evil. That is, the existence of evil as a phenomenological effect, that motivates and breeds self cultivation of behavior and harmonious virtues in mortals.
The reason I added the stuff about evil and Godhood, is that people always struggle with coming to terms of why don't Whis or the Kaioshins or the other Gods, actually intervene. This is a struggle that parallels actual history in theology and is across cultures.
Thinking of these things, helps to appreciate the ideas behind the fiction.
Finally, someone who agrees. Goku giving Moro a senzu bean is not a big deal at all. Goku knew damn well that there was no way Moro could hurt him anymore, so even if Moro were to attack him after being given a senzu (which he did), Goku would be unharmed and would simply put him down again.
I agree with this but I also have to say that they said they would be executing Moro not keeping him in custody. so there wasnt really any point to him doing this. correct me if im wronng tho
@@MrFlip2247 No, they couldn't kill Moro in the first place. That is the reason why he was in jail for so long, they tried to execute him but no one could do it so they changed his sentence to life in prision. Or maybe I mixed up his backstory with Kaido, I honestly don't remember anymore lol.
Have you heard how the new arc is called the survivor arc? I was thinking going along with this idea of Vegeta making up for past mistakes like he did on namek what if Oatmeel and Ganolah are survivors from one of Vegeta's previous conquests and they want 73 to take revenge on him. So the new twist on the story could be the new villains aren't strong enough to actually threaten Vegeta but he wants to avoid harming them because he feels guilty about it. Would that be interesting they current threat could be ended immediately but Vegeta won't let the Z team fight the antagonists?
Mark redeemed himself in relation to the Moro arc like Vegeta did inside the Moro arc
I loved how cohesive every character was with the themes. I percieve the ultimate theme of this saga to be "Where your strength is derived" and Moro, Vegeta, Goku, and even the Z fighters and goons fit this perfectly.
Moro's strength is derived from killing, stealing, and cheating via his energy absorption and use of Seven Three, which ties perfectly into both Goku and Vegeta.
Vegeta derives his strength from himself, not cheating like Moro does. This makes sense as he has polished his own energy even better than Goku in this saga and uses his knowledge of inner spirit to temporarily defeat Moro.
Goku, like Moro, derives his strength from others, however he is motivated by his friends and makes use of their combined will to get stronger. Goku's way of gaining strength is brought into the story in the most powerful way when Merus dies, as his will finally motivates Goku to become stronger than Moro. The two are complete opposites, but this is made even more apparent when Moro recieves the very same power as Goku from the very same source, only through HIS unique means. One has trained and the other has cheated and now, as both are armed with Merus' power, Goku and Moro's strength is tested one last time and the latter gets bit in the back. Due to his killing, stealing, and cheating, Moro can't handle the strength Goku can and he ultimately gets finished off by Goku, who is literally using the strength of the friends he made along the way to defeat him.
I love the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga.
Great comment dude!
You can make anything sound deep with enough effort I guess lol
@@BlackmanandRobin Dragon Ball has had very little experience with actual themes and narrative through-lines and this is one of the strongest instances of it, so I decided to point it out. These themes are very basic and not too deep, but I have heard NO ONE else talk about them on the Internet, so I figured it was appropriate.
However, your statement is correct.
James Little there are lots of pretentious thinkers
I didn't read this yet. Can someone explain to me how they beat him when his gimmick was absorbing their energy to make him more powerful?
Mark having character development this year is insanely wholesome. Happy New Year
everyone
I couldn’t stop laughing at the “Vegeta never underestimated an opponent sequence” 😂
He hasn't tho he overestimates himself
@@greatarchitect Isn't that the same as underestimating his opponents? (9 months late, I know)
@@kirby778confeti5 not necessarily he could know fully well how good his opponent is and still try and fight them because he just thinks he's so much better even if he knows how powerful his enemy is
"OmG goKu HAs a NoSTriL" had me cackling
@Mr Giggles 22:50 a bit late but yeah
13:04, I love these moments where we get to see Mark just unscripted! Yes, I love his fluent style of speak when he's reading from a script but when his voice drops to casual and he sneaks a laugh here and there, I can't help but smile!
Honestly really liked it from beginning to end, I really didn’t have anything that I didn’t like. It was nice to get real Z vibes again with everyone being useful rather than just goku and vegeta being the focus of attention toward the end.
Same one of the greatest db arcs ever imo
yeah, the Z fighters hadn’t been properly respected like this since the Saiyan saga and Tien stopping Cell. Loved their participation in this arc. And, despite it being against many fans wishes, I kinda like how Gohan isn’t becoming a training monster and matching Goku and Vegeta. Despite his potential, it’s good to know he is following a different path in life and not being 100% training or 100% study nerd like he was in the beginning of Super. Out boy has found a very near balance I think
@@danielz-v4083 I like that he isn’t learning the same lesson as always, about how he shouldn’t hold back or underestimate opponents. Whenever he fought, he fight with purpose and didn’t feel like he was holding back at all.
@@leultrainstinct406 dbs arcs yeh
@@RisingBboyNeXuS yea back then gohan would always play with his food. To his credit, he’s a righteous, pure hearted guy who hates evil, but when he gets power he always lets it get to his head. It’s like he believes he has to deliver his own justice and punish the villain before he kills them. But now he gets straight to the point and doesn’t let the power affect his judgment.
It’s really great to see more videos pop back up every day or so
Let's just say first Super arc read all the way through. Moro was an engaging villain. Liked how Toyotaro gave the side characters spotlight too. Particular Piccolo,Gohan,Krillin.
I agree. I’m rlly hoping Moro’s arc eventually gets adapted into the anime
We have identical thoughts.
@AnimeAjay Ajax! Happy (Soon to be) New Year Chief!
What’s your resolution going to be?
*It's TATE MAN!!*
Of course.
I'm gonna miss the one piece reviews
Thank you for everything captain mark, it was a beautiful journey, cant wait for what's the future holds...
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Me too man, I'm gonna miss his One Piece reviews too. I have been following this since his very first One Piece review and I remember looking forward for every single Thursday, waiting for him to slowly catch up till Wano.
Wait a few months and he will make another video of the new wano chapters
@@shn4449 exactly man, waiting and getting hyped up every week for mark to review the next arc and grabbing some snacks and watching him experience one piece story will always be one of my favorite things in 2020 good times
He'll be joing the guys at The One Piece Podcast to celebrate chapter 1000 on sunday.
Speaking of dealing with power creep, I loved the buildup to the Buu arc. Suddenly Goku & pals couldn't just beat everyone to death with stronger powers, they had to race to find Babidi's hideout and reach Buu in time before he's released into the world. Then you have Vegeta making things even more complicated by his 180 in character back to being evil and raising the suspense over whether Buu would be released or not.
I haven't read the Moro arc but I will after watching this video!
Glad to have you back Mark!
The Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga's third act has been the highlight of 2020 for me.
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Isso é triste
A terrible year, indeed.
@@Delta_2209 Br br br
I feel like Forced Spirit Fission CAN'T look cool in manga form, but I can imagine a variety of ways to make it look cool AF in animation. Fingers crossed
The Moro Arc was amazing it's defnitely the best Super Arc so far and the Granola Arc right now seems like it has the potential to be even better.
One of the biggest complaints i've heard from a staunch critic of the Moro Saga is that Vegeta wouldn't train on Yardrat because of his saiyan heritage. Although, looking at it now from the angle of Vegeta having matured past that sort of mindset, I can see him training there being a bit more believable.
I can't wait for this whole arc to be animated and Vegeta never underestimated people's strength he just always overestimated his own thinking he's the strongest fighter while ignoring their strength
Did you seriously forget to bring up Majin Buu's whole purpose in the arc? How he was the reason the arc got started, his really fun fight against Moro, and the additions to his backstory. Come on dude.
I agree, though at the same time not. Buu was only a trigger for the arc to occur. Then he got to beat up Moro for a bit. And then he was out for the rest of the arc. Now he did wake up to find uub but what did he do other than telling uub to just put his hand in the air. They could've more with him since buu was a magical being as well.
This is such a weird thing to bitch about, imo.
@@mattwayne9128 I mean, Buu was an important part of the arc and one of the most interesting aspects of it, so it seems weird to not talk about him.
@@desertsandfly2277 I guess I can see what you're saying, but still Buu played such a prominent role at the beginning that it just seems weird not to bring him up once.
@@startron252 the writers hate him lol
He's a wizard, but I never really saw him act like a spellcaster. Not like Babidi. I know not all wizards have to be frail and weak physically. I thought he was going to be more like Dormammu from Marvel or something. He's kind of interesting, but I am surprised more people didn't notice the obvious similarities between him and King Piccolo. Where both were very powerful and could not be defeated and had to be imprisoned. Then he wishes for his true power back by using the dragon balls, and also releases criminals like King Piccolo did.
He seemed to be sort of an elementalist but was more of an absorber. Dragon Balls seems to love having villains that absorb stuff for some reason. xD I was thinking that'd focus more on magic that physical attack and be what Babidi failed to be, which was be a real threat. Babidi's only main threat is that he can take over someone's mind and even that's not guaranteed. I would think he'd use more magic than ki attacks and do stuff to alter parts of reality, like Dr. Strange or something. Maybe even darker stuff like necromancy, where he brings forth undead creatures or something. That'd be something you don't see very often in Dragon Ball.
I think the saga probably could have ended a lot quicker if Goku and Vegeta just fused into Gogeta, since Gogeta is canon now. Don't even need ultra instinct when he's already on par with Beerus or surpassed him when he becomes Blue.
They couldn't fuse because spirit fission counters fusions.
@@egocentricblack3278 While this was addressed by Piccolo in the story, it was also established that in order for Forced Spirit Fission to work, you need to score hits. Gogeta would outstat Moro to an insane degree. Moro would likely not be able to tag him to split them.
@@dizzyb2309 Moro can still drain gogeta's energy without touching him lol
@@masterchief1642 Before or after he gets one tapped?
@@dizzyb2309 Since the beginning of the arc.
Me and my cousins started the DBS manga TOP onward with supposed to have read 10 chapters each week. This arc was a blast and one of my favorites in the franchise. Interestingly enough reading it in 10 chapters a week left great cliffhangers.
I believe that this acr's success has a lot to do with Merus' character. He was really well introduced and his eventual reveal as an angel, although expectable, was pretty well handled as well.
His death, for me, was much more meaningful than Android 16's, for example. That's because he actually had a bound with Goku to begin with. I also love how that scene goes hand to hand with what Merus himself said to Goku at chapter 52, I believe. "You will only achieve Ultra Instinct when being able to control your emotions in the midst of a chaotic moment", or something like that. Everything felt way more connected and planned out than a simple rage boost.
Besides all of this, his moveset is also pretty amazing (especially as a galactic patrol agent). Not only being creative, but also unique in a lot of ways.
If I had to ask for something else from his character, it would actually be more scenes with Goku in the Room of Spirit and Time, to help convey their relationship. But that's all.
Well stated, I really liked Merus as a character, in some ways I'm actually glad that he wasn't killed off as soon as being introduced.
Merus was alright.. But the fact that he actually didn't die undermines literally everything about him. Say whatever you want, creating cheap shock value through a character's fake death is shitty and balless writing. I'm not saying that every character should die etc but when he came back it undermined so many things about him and even all the stress between the Grand Priest and Whis etc.
And Goku pulling perfect ultra instinct cause Merus inspired him is just.. Bleh. I have no idea why people see the character writing in this arc good, it was very basic and borderline cheap writing for the most part. Even Moro went from an interesting unique villain into Cell 2.0 at the end smh.
@@yiangaruga4928 I actually agree with you. I think that losing immortality was a good consequence for his actions, but he came back to fast. It felt weightless.
I think that actually exploring the mindset of Goku, after losing his friend, would be way more interesting. Even if they wanted to bring him back, I believe that an entire arc should be set up for his revival (maybe the whole crew would start to look for the Super Dragon Balls in order to bring him back to life or something).
@@yiangaruga4928 Now, about Merus helping Goku to achieve MUI. I thought that was actually interesting. Suppressing your emotions in order to get stronger. That's new for Dragon Ball.
It also felt earned instead of a mere ass pull. After Super Saiyajin 2, I feel like every other transformation came out of nowhere (especially Super Saiyajin 4 and Blue). MUI, on the other hand, was the outcome of Goku's training with two angels. He learned how to control his emotions and there was lot of trial and error as well.
At least that's my take on it.
@@yiangaruga4928 I greatly disagree, I think coming back as a mortal was a good consequence fitting his character. I also disagree on your thoughts of Goku mastering MUI. Merus literally told him earlier that the key to unlocking ultra instinct was to have self control in a chaotic moment (or something along the lines of this), and Merus death was a perfect time for him to achieve ultra instinct given this prerequiste. Usually Goku would just get a rage boost there, but he managed to mantain self control in order to master ultra instinct.
*Editor-San points at King Piccolo with every possible finger*
"Nobody remembers Dragon Ball."
Not only him, villains have used the dragon balls in Z, GT, and Super lol ig he somehow forgot the like 8 times it’s happened
@@tiablue9106None of the villains in DBZ or DBGT used them if I remember correctly.
@@jantheking7028 all the Z villain wishes were from the films. They were used by Garlic Jr., Dr. Kochin, Lord Slug, (technically) Hoi, and Sorbet.
and as for GT--not counting Pilaf's accidental wish--Baby used the black star balls to wish his planet back.
@@tiablue9106 I guess he only wanted to mention canon villains
Yep. The only one who succeeded at gathering them and make a wish to Porunga forgot to activate his translation app. Sad.
I like how you talk. It's a good level of enthusiasm.
It’s cringey and for kids
@@PBMdanya ok granny
As always, you make a good point that wouldn't have occurred to me. This time, about fan expectations and the monthly serialization. I think that's a valid criticism, but from the POV of the author/artist, a monthly release schedule is undoubtedly the less strenuous one, so I can see why they chose it.
The weekly schedule seems to cause a lot of burnout-even a bi-weekly one would, I think, go a long way to improving the quality of the work and the health of the artists.
25:37 "There's some really nice artwork in display"
Artwork in display: HORSE
Huh
Goku using gigantifition: *exists*
Everyone: That remindse of a Susanoo
Mark: *Avatar State*
Me Piccolo giant form
I thought of a green lantern construct.
No, no. He's got a point.
It's true, it is MUCH more similar to the avatar state than the Susanno. If you don't know what I mean, go watch the fight between Giant Korra and Vaatuu, Korra made an energy version of herself similar to what Goku did. I never understood the Susanno comparisons, it is much more similar to Korra's avatar mode.
Lapis can also do the same thing in Steven Universe.
Very good video. It actually made me check out the manga after only having seen the anime, and I have to say this Arc feels so much better than the previous one.
Despite the whole galaxy being on the line in the tournament of power, I personally was never too invested since, how you said it yourself in your anaylisation of that arc, the "villain" was Zeno.
No one on that battlefield seemed as dangerous as most past villains, Jiren had so little motivation he was barely alive, AND the fact that even the timelimit was IN FAVOR of universe 7, are all reasons why I personally felt let down.
But this one is different. We actually have someone that not only was powerful enough, but it was also a scary and twisted individual. Moro really captured what I wanted from a villain, from an arc.
I'm really happy that this video made me give the manga a chance.
Goku's Avatar state in a nutshell:
Let's go Kurama!
I got more of a season 2 finale of legend of korra
If you haven’t seen it it’s like scary similar
@@Wo00064 Yea, I never understood the susanno comparisons, it is MUCH more like Spirit Korra.
@@jantheking7028 Humanoid susanoos,that are the 3 stage of the Susanoo stages look very similiar to what Goku did it