Tiny 3-Cylinder Turbo vs. Massive ‘Murican V8: Toyota GR Corolla vs Ford Mustang GT Drag Race!
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Considering the markups the Gr will have you can buy both the Mustang and the corvette for the same cost of the Gr 😂
True that
yet the GR is still better than both
dude it’s a Corrola
@@bobdylan6773you gotta be trolling 😂
@ralphsmallblock4367 I know I love it lol. Honestly I love Mustangs too, but for practical performance car that's actually reliable, the GR Carolla is probably leader of the pack. At least with AWD, the Civics are up there too but lack AWD and only now look a little more understated/blank slate. The Stang is a totally different segment but still awesome, especially that Dark Horse 2024 model, sexy af
Honestly, all 3 cars were impressive in their own way. The Corvette is essentially 25 years old, so in some way, it was the most impressive.
C5 is such a Good base.
Agree
Yep I have a GT just like that and this video just made me appreciate the GR and C5
It’s a Corvette man, against a Mustang and lowly Corolla, that it’s 25 years old is trivial.
Yeah and not even a good corvette. Just a base model, at least use a Z06
I will give credit to the GR. It's a tiny engine with an impressive performance
In terms of overall handling, performance and usability as a daily driver. The GR blows them away. The storage of a hatchback. Just as good if not better track handling capabilities. Plus awd & can could be converted into a rally cross to blow them away on rough country roads & snow. Along with eco mode for better mpgs...The engine could also still handle more boost to make 350- 400hp & still be reliable.
@michaelbrinks8089 how you know is reliable tuned at the maximum boost ? car is not even out yet 😂
@@alexsvilla7962 The car is already "out" But yeah, I haven't personally boosted one. Some people are saying they can handle 500hp of boost....So I said 350-400hp as a conservative estimate. It can obviously handle 300hp so it's highly likely it could handle 350hp....Videos show the head gaskets blows at over 500hp
@@michaelbrinks8089the coyote can handle much more horse power too, can be 750hp daily and subjectily more fun
@@kassperplus Ya, I guess it all depends on what people like and want. If I had tons of $$ I'd have some V8 muscle cars + some awd turbo 4cyl rally cross, etc...
As a German who is used to shiftig a manual I have to say he is way too relaxed. He shifts like my grandpa on his way to his lunch.
Aggressive shifting would definitely do the job
You right Toyota pay. Money to them Toyota lie a lot for everything
Lol that’s what I thought, driver is a big deal.
@@tonybui135what to lie about they literally a good brand 😂
@@vishendrannaidoo3385yep wind those RPMs to get the max out of every gear as fast as you can .
Fun video. I think a more fair comparison would have been between a Corvette and a Mustang that $40k can get you, since that is what the GR will set you back. Make it happen! 😅
only if you work your ass off. These cars are coming with stupid mark ups. Finding one at msrp takes work. There was a dealer trying to sell one for $150k.
50K for the Rolla, it has a 10K markup
@@ballstothewall38weird. No one told me that when I got mine for 40k. Just like most of the owners on the owners page
@@Xander1Sheridanthat's a morizo, limited to 200 made. The rest of them don't have crazy markups like that
I desperately need this to happen. You can get a 2018+ Mustang GT for that price. The only thing that Toyota Corolla is going to be better on is fuel economy like the econobox it is.
That Corvette is timeless, minus the interior and ancient gearbox. And it sounds so freaking good.
gearbox is shit, I'd buy one to swap it manual the day after
@@v_stands_for_value124or just buy a manual
Nah, American cars , JDM any days mate 🤪
@@lezzeppelin2222 to each their own brotha
Interior of the c5 is fine for a 1997 style
The Corolla is impressive because with less than half the number of cylinders, smaller, and consuming less than half the fuel, it achieves the same or more performance. It's impressive, not everything is muscle, you have to be efficient.
Power to weight ratio matters more than horsepower.
It literally achieves less performance. We just watched the video bro
For drift is better :)
@@solorollo9756 I literally didn't watch the video and came to the comments because I knew how absurd they were doing this comparison.
@@solorollo9756okay bro you’re buying a Corolla for a track daily you can go buy your $3k corvette and slap a turbo if you want straight line speed
To me the coolest part of this is that the GR held up incredibly well in a drag race... for a car that isn't known for going fast in a straight line. Throw all three of these cars onto a curvy road and see who can fly into/out of corners the best
Yeah those 400 kilograms more on the Mustang is going to hurt its cornering. But since its made for the American market that doesn't really matter, its mostly straight roads.
I don't know where these guys got the 3900 pound number for this mustang. The auto s197 gt weight around 3600 so it's only about 300 or so pounds heavier than the Corolla. Or about 136 kg more. I don't think that's enough to make a huge difference in the corners.
they are 20 year old muscle cars to be fair. How much are these grs running for? Cant be far off a 5.0
@genghisfimpley3516 2011-2014 GT's can be had for any where from 15k to 20k depending on the area
The rolling race needs to be called over the radio by a third party. There is an advantage to being the person sayin “3-2-1-go”
Enough to make up the gap?
Agreed! And shift the automatic manually.
It’s dumb you guys brought old school automatic muscle cars instead of getting a real manual for each car. Kinda lazy of yall
@@diesolitthey use their own cars? 😅
@diesolit bro you okay ?
5.0 is still one of the best monsters on the road. Even a nearly 10 year old one is hard to beat .
@@ericsmith1878 Not even close lol
Just all around the best car. Styling wise, absolute knock-out.
@@ericsmith1878 still gonna loose to a 5.0 stock for stock. Love both and have driven both a lot
@@VermillionRacing It will lose mod for mod too lol Vq needs some kind of forced induction to be fast
@@coleantrobius8427 tell that to the 5.0 i ate first week of ownership lol. 370 without FI is not fast ill admit but the 5.0s are just VQ food in my experience.
Would love to see a lap time for each of the 3 cars.
All wheel drive is just wicked from the launch. Don't make it a habit though, because if you're not spinning the tires, youre spining the clutch. 😊 Good tires on a rear wheel drive car vastly improves launch times as well. I enjoyed the video though. Driving those small, light, turbo cars are so much fun!!
I had a supercharged coyote that was ridiculously fast. Never had enough traction. 😂
The Corolla GR is impressive in performance for sure. But the Corvette styling is not only delicious, it's timeless. And the sound track.....maximum awesomeness !!!
A decent aftermarket exhaust really does that 5.0 justice as well.
nice for sure. but like the viper too round everywhere imo. to a smaller degree though
corvette styling, after 1983. nobody has ever said they love corvette styling
That's because Toyota designs cars like a kid would or like a melted piece of plastic. Hideous looking vehicles with terrible lines that's don't flow. And they sound awful.
@@thelosteddiesAre we just gonna ignore the MR2 or something.
I love that you guys brought in the 14 mustang gt!! I have one and i love it! Not many people use them in comparisons like these anymore. Thank you for using it in this video!
A 2005 could be better I guess. Or I may be wrong on this one.
@@mottom26572005 is slow asf compared to a 14 5.0 GT Coyote Stang 😎
@@mottom26575.0 vs 4.6??
I love these old vettes. I remember seeing the first LS vette at a dealer in STL w my Dad in 1996. Was shocked to see the brochure stating a 4-something, 0-60, and a advertised. 1/4 at 13.2. A year later, I went to the mailbox and grabbed my CnD magazine in late 97, to read that they tested the 98 LS1 TA 4a, and it ran a 13.2 at 108. Check the archives. That was rather generous though. I've never driven that gen corvette, but I use to smoke them on the reg, in my old TFS, e-cam, bot on na Fox, though. Can't tell you how many t5 3rd gear inout shafts I blew through. During the rev, at the 3:50 race, it has sunk in, how heavy those flywheels must have been. All cars use to be that way though. veroooooooooooom opposed to vroom vroom. Would like to own a affordable, clean, 100k mile LS1 vette in the future, and nows the time, as clean examples are still cheap, but are increasing in price atm w no signs of slowing down. I'll bite next recession, hope I'm not in my 70s when that happens. If so, I'll still bite. Fun vid, keep it up guys!
That C5 sounded great! The S197 was the all around best performance car there. And the Corolla was the one that I’d probably want as my daily, out of those 3.
One of the more random matchups I’ve seen but was just as, if not more entertaining. Cars from different classes and eras going head to head. Love it!
Honestly, not surprised about the results. That being said, the C5 is just beautiful, especially with those pop-up headlights. The 5th gen Mustang is retro done right and blew everyone's minds when it came out. The GR might be many things, but not a looker.
Exactly its just an ugly womans car
@@effigy42 it's not ugly it's maybe a little bit overstyle but this is normal for smaller cars.
@@vladislavdimitrov4646everything is functional on the GR. All the vents work and the arches had to be put on cause of the awd. It's the definition of function over form
@@Olivia300zx I'm talking about headlight/tail light design, body lines, these things
@vladislavdimitrov4646 overstyle is normal for cars nowadays -_-
Awesome video, that's incredible a 3 cylinder is doing all that work. I'd like to see how they compare on the back roads on some curves, I'd say that would favor the GR by a good bit.
It does, small turboed engines can be quite powerfull. The question is usual - for how long? Will they last, say, 15 years? They aren't even made with that in mind.
As for cornering, don't forget that it's japanese city compact vs american muscle car. As cornering goes, muscle cars weren't ever good at it and as I don't really know about the Mustang, I'm pretty sure that Corvette wouldn't go too fast. But I might be wrong, very much depends on the driver.
Corvette would be superior by a mile
For the record... Corvette, since '84, has been a sports car with muscle, not a muscle car
@@davidquarells8474 whatever the name changes...
The GR3 is the little engine that could. The 30mph roll test against the Mustang GT was impressive.
Not when you consider that the Mustang driver is incompetent and didn't put it in the right gear. Put the mustang in second and run it again, that Corolla doesn't have a chance.
@@MachineGunSquirrelI used to have a 13 gt and was mad af when he wasn’t in the right gear.that gr has no chance .
@@kwilliams3161 I own a 12 GT MT and if I launched from 30 in 2nd I'd fly away
@@MachineGunSquirrel yea they always like to run these little commuter forces induction cars vs naturally aspirated v8s.but when I bring my Procharged gt with drag radials now they got nothing to say but excuses.mine was manual also .
@@MachineGunSquirrelI owned a 14 gt ..and I would have annihilated him in all challenges.
The 5.0 pulls great up top.
@@scottlepotSomeone sounds a lil hurt huh? Go complain to your boyfriend then 😂🤣
That Barbievette is lighter weight and better aero and still couldn't beat that GR Corolla like that Mustang did. AND a second behind that Mustang, sad asf and embarrassing 💀💀💀
@@DS22723Why are you so mad lol. I bet you don’t even own a new Corolla. He didn’t even say anything bad about the corolla fan boy.
I’d like to see the corvette race as a manual.
Yea we need the c5 in a manual
Yes I was disappointed when they decided to add that automatic transmission as some sort of handicap for this comparison. But we all know how this goes with a manual C5 Corvette.
And people that know how to drive and not just talk
I'd rather see it race with a modern 6 speed or more auto. You can't manually change as fast as say a ZF.
I'd like to see the corvette at wide open throttle.
What disturbs me is that a Corolla weighs 3300 pounds. The 63 Chevy SS 327-300 automatic I owned as a young man weighed 3400 pounds as an all steel, full sized, body on frame automobile. Cruising a 60 mph on I-40 between Greensboro and Raleigh it would give 23 mpg and run 110 all day long. FT!
Thanks for this test. I'm impressed by 3 cylinder turbo GR Corolla.
This was a really fun one to watch. The corvette has lost some ponies over the years. This Corolla is impressive, it’ll be interesting to see what the gear heads come up with for the aftermarket.
Don't even bother with aftermarket, all cars will be all electric by 2035 😆
The corvettes problem is its a 4 speed. they put stupid high gears in the 4 speed auto cars. It's basically a cruiser with those gears.
Bet there will be TRD goodies for that little Corolla.
@@drift3rkid66 Toyota will have ICE when GM, Ford, and Stellantis will be all EV. Their CAFE is superior on average, and Toyota can rely on Hybrids to keep ICE an option.
@@matsmith5937A lot can happen in 10 years. Tech evolves and infrastructure can be built quickly if there's concerted effort. Not that I want EVs...
Considering how old the Vette is, and how new the Corolla is, that's damn impressive for the Vette. The GR isn't a drag car so I wont shit on it too much, but that Vette is OP for it's age
And being a mile above sea level, that Corvette has 18 percent less power. The Toyota being turbo is hardly affected by altitude. If this test was at the coast, I think the Vette would have pulled it off. I live a mile high in Africa, and believe me, go to the coast with a naturally aspirated car and you can feel the gain.
Lmao really can’t shit on it, most owned old vettes are automatic which is a loss within itself🤣
@@patrickcannell2258 Exactly. Different outcome for sure if at sea level for those two cars. I lived in Denver for 10 years and the run times at Bandimere Speedway were always slower for NA cars.
15.9 is pathetic even at that altitude
@@patrickcannell2258 are you kidding me the 300hp Corolla would run high 12sec 1/4 mi at sea level. They were running 15.7 in the Corolla. That looks like it was effected about 130hp
🤔 would be nice to see a video comparing the GR to other high hp awd sport hatchbacks as far as price, reliability, performance,etc...
my 1998 toyota corolla was completely baseline standard everything for around 14K. I miss that car so much. Gave t to my little brother and he crashed it. That thing was so much fun to drive. Limited at 120mph which I only hit on drives back and forth from college. Never had any issues.
Also not to forget, these c5's can frequently get up to 30+mpg (depending on tune and transmission) on highways. In fact, the 1.6l gr corolla and 5.7l corvette both get the same highway mpg rating at 28mpg!
I just sold my 11 grand sport with a btr stage 3 cam, catless longtubes and other supporting mods. It easily got 26-28 mpg cruising at 80 mph
No Corvette gets 30+ mpg, regardless of tune, so let’s forget about that. Even my Miata doesn’t get quite 30.
@@LateNightCableNot true. My 2010 C6 6 speed got 30mpg on the highway at 78mph driving from Atlanta to Tampa
@@LateNightCable I 100% got 30mpg in my c6 on multiple trips before I got mods and a tune.
@@LateNightCableyou've obviously never owned a c5 or c6 🤷♂️
I really liked how you guys didn't force in lots of mean "banter" and made it cringe, you mostly just explained the cars.
New tires would help a lot.
There was some testing done on the Nürburgring due to the Civic Type R's amazing time, whereas older models could gain A LOT of time with the same tire setup.
The Corolla is very impressive given the small displacement. Just one correction, however, a Corvette is not a "muscle car", it is a sports car.
I love y’all’s new Mustang! It’s a great spec and the best looking body style they’ve made👀
Hard to believe that car is 10 years old now and 3 generations ago. I agree they're best looking mustang.
Other than the original.
05-09 looks better than those do.
The 2011 to 2014 Mustang lineup was pretty awesome.
Looks absolutely timeless
Wish you guys would switch drivers after each race and run it back. To make it more even. Also, I believe you can “manually” (1,2,3,D) shift the automatic corvette instead of waiting 5 minutes for the trans to figure out gear to be in.
I have one of these transmissions its much the same manually and running off vacuum alone
@@effigy424l60e does not run off vacuum lol. Your prob thinking it’s a 700r4 . Holding the trans in D2 makes it down shift faster !
@@effigy42 WRONG
How do Americans always manage to get so little horsepower from such enormous engines? (c) Jeremy Clarkson
They picked the perfect drivers for these cars, they look exactly like who'd I expect to drive those cars
All you have to do with the Corvette is pre gear it, meaning put it in the gear that it is most advantageous to take off at 30 miles.
You guys having so much fun racing makes this video great.
I'll never understand the obsession with drag racing a rally type vehicle, it's made for actual racing around a corners
The Coyote engine in that GT was a real gem! Just so far removed from the archaic pushrod 302 they used for so many years. Still the best bang for the buck car money can buy.
I'm surprised at the 1/4 mile times. Last year while I vacationed in Denver, I took my '18 v6 Camaro(335 hp and about 3400 lbs) to Bandimere and went a 15:07 @ 95 mph
@kychristell1779 Not @ a mile above sea level though.
@kychristell1779 A hot Hatch and a performance car are 2 things. How many 1.6L motors are considered a performance motor? Motive Video in Australia tuned the Yaris with the same motor to 500hp unopened.
Because you can actually drive haha. Plus you have a waaaay better looking car.
Imagine how big the gap would be if it was a 10 speed Mustang 😂
Imagine if it was a circuit it would’ve beat that mustang lol
@@Gr4yotadoubt it
Wouldn't be a sweat
@@Gr4yotaNot Sure About that.....
@@Gr4yota A dirt circuit yeah
even a lower power corolla is pretty fun, they have alot of torque, even getting to 50 can be fun spinning the tires. not gonna set any speed records but it was a fun ride.
Hey, did you guys know that cars can go around corners too? Well, probably not the Mustang or an old Corvette, but the newer Corvettes can. How would the Mustang do against the Corolla on a track? A track with both right AND left turns, that is.
Have to remember too that they are racing at a very high elevation. That actually is an advantage for a turbocharged vehicle. The turbo has to work harder to provide the same boost it would at a lower elevation but it still does even at higher elevation. Meaning still closer to the same power as it would make closer to sea level. Even though the Mustang pulled away it would've been even more at lower elevations where the naturally aspirated engine has more oxygen to work with.
I live at that very high elevation. That Yote should have ripped the doors off of that GR.
These guys can’t drive.
... and the turbo car engine will be shot in the x number of years from now compared to the age of that Mustang up to now
This was great! Loved the enthusiasm here from y’all! No hardcore stats just damn fun!
Crazy that when they rev the Corvette the left set of exhaust tips moves down and the right set moves up, along with the movement of the engine as it revs, I think they need new engine mounts!
Wow, a pretty fast 1/4 mile time for the Toyota.
Only two and a half seconds slower than my old, standard, 1978 250cc Suzuki.
It's amazing how much improvements can occur in just 45 years.
Yeah the quarter mile times here are crazy high.
Great fun guys. While performance will be continue to evolve into different packages, we still have good options. Nothing beats the sound of a small block V-8.
Well, there's the LFA's amazing sound, but too expensive to make a comparison
@@fishii8237 Toyota has nothing for the enthusiast just 4 cylinders some 6
Nothing budget wise for a normal person. That's why everybody puts GM engines into toyotas
@@rickhunter6479 I was gonna mention the mk4 supra's 2jz, but they stopped making those
@@rickhunter6479the Lexus 5.0 is a great engine
Good to see you back Kase missed ya!
The problem with most all all wheel drive systems is they handle like front wheel drive. Even venerable systems like Subaru feel like front wheel drive in the beginning of a corner. I had an early model USDM WRX with aftermarket sway bars that evened out the handling some and it still felt more front drive than anything.
never got the corolla here in the uk, we only got the Yaris which is essentially the same engine in a smaller and lighter chassis.
Love these videos. It just shows how far & how quickly technology comes on vehicles. The little Toyota is very impressive.
Good job, guys. 👍🏻👍🏻
BS, they scammed the races... c5 corvette is faster than a 15.9 in the quarter. They are 13.5 cars all day long. This channel is always so biased its stupid.
This is one reason I wouldn't pay current dealer asking for a GR Corolla ($67k!)
But you get a 15.6 quarter mile for 67k its worth it 😂
About 3 more weeks and my GR Circuit should be arriving at the dealership. No mark up according to what the Sales Manager told me 😊
@@JG-mg3ifgl with that ...
That Mustang is probably 1/3 the price of that lawnmower. I'm still astounded by anyone who'll be willing to shell out $67 large for this thing. Wonders never cease
Kelly Blue Book fair purchase price on a ‘99 Vette is $15k. $67k - $15k = $52k left over to mod the Corvette. Can you imagine the MONSTER Vette that can be built with $52,000 in modifications?
Nothing can compare the sound, style and Power of a muscle car, no matter how Quick and expensive r the news models
It appeared the Corolla was closer at the finish line from the 30 mph roll than the dead start. I wouldn't have figured that.
One of the best tools these guys could use is a draggy for actual braking data. When you're going off cones its not 100% accurate as reaction time can play a role and where exactly you start braking is a factor. Also it would be great to swap drivers in these cars to get a better sample size for drivers that aren't as fast. Cool to see how aged cars still hold up to new stuff tho. You just don't have the best data as to how old the brake fluid is, pad/rotor, or tire condition. Also having manual vs auto isn't a perfect sample.
I agree on that....those numbers they got are Not making sense, wayyy too low a distance..
@@skip741x3 Yeah a non-PP Mustang beating a 458 in braking is impossible.
3:16 "15.75 in the quarter" seems pretty rough, that elevation must be rough! I used to race a stock '95 Ford Probe GT with a rated 164hp at the track on all season tires and my best et was 15.3@89mph.
Boy, you said what I was thinking; I must be missing something also? In 1994, my stock '89 Ford Probe GT clocked 15.11@92.35mph on a cool night at the strip with an alleged "145 hp", which was essentially within published stock times.
It’s a surprisingly slow car, people are having a tough time breaking 5 seconds to 60 and 13.7 in the 1/4. It’s about on par with an EcoBoost mustang, just 20K more😬
Wouldnt have thought the old ´vette staying so close and even gaining at that altitude. there shouldnt be much in it power wise between the two and the weight is the same. impressive.
Just the fact that this is a 3 CYLINDER alone that can keep up!!
shitbox corrola has tons of turbo boost and awd , if the mustang ,corvette were newer and had turbos it be a way different outcome lol
A 3 cylinder boosted at 26psi to 300hp? 😬 Wonder what the reliability would be in the long run? Would it make it as long as that Corvette? Scary to think if that'll grenade that little thing. But yet again, it's a Toyota. 🤷🏽♂️
If Toyota felt 26psi for 300 hp is OK, then it is OK 👍 👌
@@Gchang54because Japanese turbo cars totally aren't known for exploding lol
If you ever see the thickness of the GRs cylinder walls. It's very thick. Plus there's a group in Australia with a Yaris GR that make 513hp with that 3 cylinder. But like anything. Theres no replacement for displacement
Its a toyota and not a ford so it will last forever like most toyotas out there
I got a 10y warranty on my GR Yaris, I guess Toyota is confident in their engine. Also, the engine is homologated for Rally2 class of WRC. People run 500+ whp 24/7 for more than a year now (with proper mods of course) and the engine seems quite solid. Check Motive video, they pushed it hard.
Interesting times for the vette 😆. I remember my old 1998 trans-am ls1 was pulling 1/4 mile times in the 13 sec area with a heavier body and SLOWER manual gearbox *auto is easier to launch!, so how a lighter vette was about 16 seconds is hilarious, they were never that slow.
From a roll, if you are using manual transmission then you should also downshift too to be fair, autos usually have a sport mode for that (that should have been utilized. )
Corvettes also came with better Servo's which is why we usually use them on other applications. One could have speculations as to what happened but all it matters is that in THIS situation it took an L regardless of why
They are testing from a mile high. That C5 should be mid 13s or faster at sea level. However, it's also old, so who knows the condition of the engine.
I've gotten a 15.2 quarter mile in my 2002 nissan sentra se-r spec v. 2.5 litre NA, 175 hp. I never thought my 21 year old car would be faster than a modern vehicle, or a corvette! 😮
8:45 Explanation for what you're seeing here: The Mustang had spotted, in the very far distance, some 'Cars & Coffee' people standing on a sidewalk, in the next county.
Great race, would be also interesting to see how much of a difference would it make if the Vette had a manual transmission
manual transmissions are well known to be slower in drag races than automatics. That's why there's an actual stick shift class in most drag race events.
@@KrayZieTyler maybe in built drag cars, but for this Corvette specifically the manual was significantly faster. The 4 speed auto in that Vette is garbage dude
@@KrayZieTylerthe guy above, @fox488, is correct. A drag specific transmission or a modern DCT would be faster in a straight line than a manual…
But the C5 vette had neither, because it had a slush box who not only shifted significantly slower than a manual, but the gear ratios were also way worse
Amazing how much light weight and all new breaks can shorten the break length.
Great video guys, can’t wait to see what else you come up with.
Have a wonderful 4th of July everyone 🤗🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Breaks vs Brakes.
I’m still very partial to the Golf R personally. Just way more potential for power going forward with that 2L 4cyl compared to the 3cyl. Also I like DSG’s
Ive got a 14 gt track pack and while i know its nowhere near the fastest thing on the road, im still gapping most new "sport sedans" out there to include an RS3 and a BMW 4 series from a roll recently. Handles well too for being a solid rear end
I have a 2013 black mostly stock track pack and a 840 rwhp 2011 race red Shelby . I also am able to beat RS3’s and M4s also raced a Aston Martin DBX. Selling the track pack right now. Keeping the Shelby.
The 5.0 coyote is iconic. Look what they've been able to do with a... FIVE LITER.
5.0L 4v..
Vtec
Run over numerous crowds of people?
DUAL OVERHEAD CAM, 4 VALVES PER CYLINDER
That Corolla is impressive for sure. I wonder about longevity though.
I've been wondering about the potential on it too. They're already squeezing 300hp out of it, so I'm curious if the aftermarket will be able to get much more out of that little three cylinder without killing the engine's lifespan.
300hp might be pretty close to its limit.
Questioning Toyotas 300hp reliability out of that 3 banger? There is nothing to question here.
@@tizodd6 The Yaris GR has been out for a a while and proven that the 3cyl is a stout unit. They are making 500hp with simple mods reliably, very overbuilt engines.
@@Motorsportsgeek I haven't been following too closely tbh. 500 reliable hp out of a three cylinder is pretty impressive.
@@tizodd6I've seen this engine at nearly 500hp. The engine is built really strong. Weakest part is the head gasket at that power level funny enough
As a former 3x Mustang owner and current STI owner, I gotta say I knew the corolla was gonna beat them. They didn’t mention if it was the LSD model or not, but if he had done a proper boosted launch he would have rolled the mustang too.
And at a racetrack it would have been bloody.
And in any sort of weather.
Dudes are super mad. That corolla handles like crazy too. And they sound better with an exhaust than I-4’s.
The important thing is that too many “car guys” aren’t driving enthusiasts, they’re fanboys who try to insult every other platform
Me? I love driving all different types of platforms. As long as they’re manual and analog as possible.
Stop bashing. Start driving things before you judge them.
Fun fact. Won’t hear many Mustang owners say this: but I had more fun in 1 afternoon rallying a stock fiesta st than I ever had with my muscle cars. Burnouts are fun too, but nowhere near as fun as liftoff oversteering that little crapbox fiesta st around on a rally type dirt road lol. Once you really start to get some car control stuff under your belt you start to see just how fun driving great handling cars is, especially if they’re analog and not having computers make them handle
The power of normally aspirated engines at 5000' is 84% of that at sea level, so the 420 hp Mustang was really about 350 hp in this test. The turbo engine with 25.2 psi of boost makes 94% of it's power at 5000' or 300x.94= 282 hp.
Great video again guys! The corvette isn't slow at all!
Thank you for watching.
This was a fun idea. The Mustang and the Coyote engine are incredible.
I'm not too sure about that when comparing it to the corolla engine the mustang has an extra 3.4 litres of displacement for roughly 4% added acceleration.
@@markgallagher5908 I just think a lighter car with decent horsepower and an all wheel launch is a formula that can beat pure muscle.
@@michaelgambuto4693 True but it doesn't take from the fantastic job that Toyota did in developing the car.
@@markgallagher5908sure, but you're doing the same thing. You're taking away from the fact that the coyote motor is an amazing engine. The only reason the gr was keeping up was because of the launch. The awd kept it in the race. Not the power output. Despite being behind from the launch. The coyote still steamrolled past the GR once they were going past 40. And kept going. Toyota did a good job with the gr, but for also did a good job with the coyote.
I would LOVE to see the GR Corolla race the 4.6 S197 GT from 2005-2010.
I have an ‘06 S197 GT, 5 speed. Also have a ‘10 STi. Both have a mild tune but that’s it. Figure 320hp (crank) or so, and similar torque. The cars aren’t too far apart in weight.
The Mustang will just spin the tires off the line with any aggressive throttle input. Once it hooks up, it takes off but then loses steam in the higher rpms.
The STi is tough to launch, unless you don’t care about breaking stuff. Being the owner of the car, I care, as does my wallet. So most of my “launches” have been soft basically slip the clutch at 2500rpm and then roll in to full throttle by 3500rpm. Once that car gets to 4000rpm, it jumps straight to the redline. Very exciting at the upper rpms.
The STi feels faster in most driving situations, but the S197’s low rpm torque is a lot of fun - and it’s still pulling at upper rpms, but you don’t get that rush of turbo boost. Very linear V8, which can make it feel slower but probably is very similar.
Will say that with the AC on, the Mustang doesn’t seem to even notice, whereas in the STi I have to change my shift points and the rpms drop faster between shifts. 😅
When stats are displayed or discussed, you guys should also throw in what you paid for each car in the tests.
This was fun! Yall really got me hooked with these random car mash ups
Thank you for watching.
I love Turbo Cars...11 years I lived in Japan, its funny to hear Americans talk about Turbos being unreliable. Turbo engine are built better right off the bat, we would go to Skyline heaven (SKyline Junk Yard) , those engines always ran good, always started ... breaking down was not even a thought....its Japanese. Another car that was popular was the v6 Tacomas, we would Super Charge them....again they were fine and ran better
They're over a mile above sea level. An NA car loses roughly 3% power for every 1000 ft above sea level. This means the Corvette and Mustang are down about 15% power (Corvette being 293hp and Mustang being 357hp at a mile above sea level).
Turbo cars don't experience nearly as much loss since forced induction compensates for much of the effects of thinner air. Forced induction loses vary depending on the car (unlike NA which is easy to calculate), so a stock turbo car a mile in elevation could lose anywhere from 1-5%.
A LS1 C5 typically traps the 1/4 mile around 108-110 mph. Trap speed change is a good measure of power change (especially in an automatic car that has less room for error compared to a stick). Given the one here only trapped 96 mph, it's pretty evident it's down on power.
Turbos wear out engines quick. Like to see how it holds up over time
VERY VALID POINT. I am not crazy about turbo gasoline engines for this reason. Diesel must be turbo on the other hand.
They've lasted fine for years in the yaris just fine. It's a toyota. They've been doing turbo engines reliably for over 40 years. It will be fine
Toyota engineers VERY well vehicles however that's a lot of boost so time will tell.
I've always preferred Chevy and the LS when it comes to domestic. When it comes to mods, durability, reliability and after market support but when it comes to sound the 5.0 always sounded way better for me and if you throw the GT350 voodoo engine in to the equation then that thing is absolute musical symphony
As a die hard camaro guy, I currently have the GT350 and you are so right!
Interesting to see a similar comparison (tyre change is ok) on a pothole track for which the toyota is designed for.
I used to consistently run low 15s in my stock base model cobalt in 2006. Driver mod needed
The little GR did pretty good for a 3 cylinder.!
Should have ran it against more comparable cars in cost . Like a 2018 10 speed mustang gt
And a 2014 or newer vette
It wouldn't be close.
Totally agree. Racing against cars from the 90s???
@@norwegianblue2017the point is the pinnacle from decades past vs a modern hot hatch. It’s a show of how far technology has come, the hottest Corolla from the c5s era wouldn’t have held a candle to it, same with the 5.0.
@@spcnearyC5Z06 would be a much better representation of pinnacle of the era
99 vette running a 15.9 1/4 mile? That elevation must really be a bigger horsepower killer than I thought!
I know what one i would have for a daily. The GR being quicker off the line and upto the "speed limit" takes it on the street. Better on fuel also. Time will tell on its reliability i guess. It will be a future classic no doubt about it. Hold onto it 15 years and it will be sort after.
I'm very impressed with Gazoo Racing. That tiny corolla did a decent job. The 4L60 in the C5 Corvette is no slouch. That transmission can shift very quick and handle the torque.
I'm surprised at how slow the Vette and the Toyota were in the 1/4 mile. I expected the Vette to be at least 1 second quicker and the Toyota to be more like 2 seconds. A lot of V6 mid size family cars have pulled mid to high 15s for over 20 years now.
They are a mile above sea level. Killer for a natural aspiration car
@@sebastienh78 thanks, I didn't realize that, I should listen more :)
Hell, my 5k lb rolling refrigerator will pull a low 14. Lots of things wrong with the testing in this video.
@@sebastienh78 Both NA cars should have been running low 14's still. Lots of examples posted online of those cars performing better than this at elevation. The Corolla should've done better too honestly.
Engine sounds test is like asking if i like bass, drums or guitar more.
These guys are full of it. I ran 13.21 with completely stock 1998 Corvette with auto trans.
How durable over time is the 3cyl turbo ?still impressive tho
it's japanese, should be fine as long as nobody messes with it which I'm sure they will, and I'm sure they will blow up
15 sec ls1 vette? Running on 7 cylinders?
That 5.0 stang kills either... even with the worst gears and tires
It's over a mile above sea level so it's being robbed of like 15 or 20% of sea level power so that's why it's slower than expected
Plus it’s the slush box transmission
4 speed auto corvettes come with ridiculously high gearing in the rear end take off is abysmal.
I think a more fair comparison should have had the Corvette and the Mustang both with manual transmissions just like the GR, the outcome would have been far different. Still, the 3 cylinder high performance GR shows just how far cars have advanced over the years. Can't wait to see the GR engine installed in the new Toyota GR86 with possibly a little more horsepower, it should be a real thrill to drive!
These cars are built completely for different purposes. Mustang is indeed for straight line drag racing but Corolla's short wheel base and suspension setup is for veering through corners.
100 mph trap should be a 13.8 second. So the elevation makes a huge difference for the NA cars. That mustang should be knocking 12s at sea level. (also tires and good gas Yada Yada I'm couch racing here) I'd like to see a last gen VA sti and evo x vs the corolla. Should be closer.
That was a lot of fun guys!
I recently beat a stock 2023 22? V8 manual mustang in my stock gr yaris, by 3 cars in 1/4mile street drag. I feel alot of driver error for the mustang I thing he just bought it. But on paper they both do 0-100kms 5.2 and 1/4mile inb12.9 seconds. I love my little yaris
Switch the drivers around and watch the 3 cylinder get gapped.
I wonder how my modified Ford Fiesta ST would do against these 2 muscle cars...my 2019 Fiesta ST has got some torque.
And their fun as hell to drive. I have a 2015 Focus ST that's a blast to drive. Too bad ford discontinued both those cars in the US.😢
The fiesta and the focus was Fords answer to the hot hatch arena but that dual clutch trans pos took both models out there were good looking cars and the st and rs versions fierce especially European models. My dad had a 2012 fiesta se auto not fast but it was fun to drive but in the end the trans went for a second time out of warranty and unfortunately just not worth it. I wondered if they were sold with a manual non st that would be a reliable set up perhaps but I think most sadly were autos and when ford stuck the 3 cy in the fiesta vs the 1.6 the party was over 🎉
@lincolnman78markv they did make a 5 speed manual option for the Fiesta and the Focus and if you get the ST or RS Focus they come with a 6 speed
@lincolnman78markv I bought my daughter a 2015 Fiesta with a 1.6 litre and it came with a 5 speed manual. She loves her Fiesta.