Have the FX3 and it does everything I need it to do. If the FX30 came out before I might have went with that. We're spoiled as filmmakers. Wasn't too long ago we were all shooting on Canon 5Ds and Pansonic GH1s.
We have both the FX30 and A7iv and LOVE the a7iv. You need to add the Ulanzi cooling fan ($50) but then it never overheats. With a SmallRig cage adapter, you can add the same top-handle for XLR audio just like the FX3/FX30. The EVF is AMAZING for in-camera.
For cinematographers on a budget: put a good lens on the FX30 and you could probably fool a lot of people by saying it was shot with an FX3 or even a more expensive camera probably. I think the FX30 is just at the sweet-spot where you begin to see very deminishing returns in terms of what you pay vs what you get. So I would rather put that extra money into some great lenses, unless your plan to spend like $20,000 or more on your camera gear that is.
@@m_schneider I don’t think that really matters, unless there is a big chance you may switch to a full frame camera later. Then it’s nice to be able to keep using the same lenses I guess.
Correction: Timecode is synced via Multi-port, which is located just below the USB-C port. 8:51 - LOVE the fact that you can display the digital level gauge WITH the recording info overlay!!! That is missing from the A7iv and you have to cycle through all your display modes to get it. This feature alone is worth picking up an FX camera!
@@spaceghostcqc2137 No, it's a gyro level. In woodworking it would be considered a spirit or bubble level. Having it on screen along with all the other info is a game changer in terms of usability. Most other camera makes already allowed it.
With gyro data being available in more and more cameras, the days of worrying about ibis is over. You get gimbal-like smoothness while shooting handheld. So good.
This was a really helpful video! It’s so hard to compare just the prices, but seeing all that each has to offer has really helped me to decide on a good second cam! Thank you!
agreed. with reduced rolling shutter in crop mode, the A7IV makes an excellent Super 35 video camera with the *option* to shoot full frame. that has always been my approach to using mine. this has has been affirmed for me with Sony’s recent APS-C lenses i am anticipating on getting for my A7IV.
@@justinlaturno I have a7iv and I use tamron 17-28 2.8 and sony 55 1.8 and sometimes for video I use the sigma 18-35 1.8 with sigma mc 11 and works great. I do arquitecture and interior design videos . the fx 30 its a nice video camera but indoors when you don't lot of space you can't match a lens like 12mm full frame 2.8(4k 24fps) in apsc also in bright light that screen for sure you won't see nothing because you also don't have evf so you have to invest in a external monitor and for 4k 120 you must buy the news card from sony tipe b that are way expensive. I think the a7iv have the good of both worlds photography and video with better iso performance in low light .
$1799 USD vs $2499 USD, not including lens and accessories. For people heavily into video, it's a no brainer! Especially since the other Sony competition is ZV E10 or a6600 for aps c
@@Yupthereitism nah, FF is overrated. Maybe if you live in RUclips World, but give it a month or so and the FX30 is going to be Netflix approved and it's going to be the most inexpensive camera for VIDEO purposes! The only people who say you gotta have Full Frame are those who don't work in the industry 🤡
I have been wowed by the FX30 but the fun part is I have an A6600 and can use the same lenses and batteries on both. A6600 I can do for photos and have it as a "B" cam to the FX30. I want to get more lenses but I don't want to have to spend on multiple lenses.
The FX30 would've been the perfect beginner filmmaker camera if the sensor resolution was the same as the FX3. Meaning better low light performance than 26MP and faster rolling shutter. Only caveats to that camera.
Exactly. It seems like Sony did it the wrong way around by having a "jello" high-res apsc sensor but an "uncroppable" low-res FF sensor, which is counter-productive for video.
Fx 30 has similar rolling shutter performance as c70 but more detailed xavc footage. And it can take nice photos as well. 26 mp is not an issue but slower processing speed is.
Sony might use this 26mp sensor across their whole apsc lineup, just as they used 24mp in a6100-a6600 bodies, you basically design 1 sensor that does it all
@@kapilesh14 I agree, people are exaggerating how "bad" the rolling shutter of the FX30 is. Likewise, the FX30 does much better in low light than people realize!
thats probably my biggest hiccup with wanting to buy that camera. if it had the same 8ms rolling shutter that would be obvious but the fact they went with 26mp on a video camera is bizarre since you are subsampling and ditching most of the data, getting worse lowlight performance and rolling shutter. honestly all 3 cameras have different strengths and weaknesses when it comes to video which makes all of them not favorable in my opinion as there should be a clear winner.
The biggest difference to the FX3 is croppin in slow-motion IMHO. Also low light performance is night and day different. It's like an entirely different camera.
Great video, thank you so much, this is a much needed comparison!! What I wondered is how the crop mode of the a7iv stacks up to the fx30 because you'd basically have the best of both worlds: you could use aps-c lenses or affordable cine zooms for super35 but still take advantage of the better low light performance etc. when using full frame lenses when shooting 4k 24p or in FHD. Did you do any tests in that regard? :)
Would be an easy choice for me, the FX30 but with the price that is being sold l in US. The price of €2.200 or £2.100 it's ridiculous compared to the $1.800. even with the pound down, it's not fair such a big price gap
You have to add the state tax on for any prices you see in the USA. They dont quote them...even in supermarkets...so when you get to the till you get slapped with whatever VAT they charge in that state ontop of the price you see on the shelf.
@@tor2919 yea it's important to factor that in, as well as additional accessories like batteries & cards,,, there are some things that can help like Amazon's cashback & B&H payaboo card
I already own an A7SIII and an FX3... I'm very tempted to get an FX30 but that would tecnically bring me nothing to me... but the FX body and CINE EI is way better than the A7SIII for taking videos
Love your detailed review. I only wish you'd do streaking tests of each cameras. My a7c has severe streaking in S-log3, and noticable in S-log2. Now I want to upgrade to a7 iv, hope will not in it anymore.
I’d be curious to see how well the FX30 can match with my old FS7, it might be a nice B-cam to productions that are still using the FS7/FS5 especially paired with the Fujinon Cine zooms
as always very nice and detailed video guys ! But I have a question: How would the autofocus work on the FX30 + Sigma MC11 + 18-35mm ? I'm considering it because I have the lens already, its amazing and I have the FX30 on the way already but if the autofocus is not that great, might just go for a analog adapter, manual focus and stick with native lenses for its autofocus. (of course I know the 18-35 might not beat a native lens but if its close enough, it'll be worth it for me. )
great video, but I would like to see videos comparing images with other cameras like lumix s5, canon r6, evaluating the quality of images, so your video would not be aimed only at a group that uses Sony, even though I am a Sony a7iv user
Thats an overkill buddy, especially for vlogging i would recommend a6700 it has the same sensor as the fx30 you save up money. Get a decent lens and stabilizer
Great Video! Personally, I have the 7IV for my private events, the FS5 for eng, and planning to get the fx30 for private event were I am require to shoot video only.
If I had to pick one of course the FX3 would be my choice as I absolutely love the image that it produces, although the price is clearly higher than the other 2 and the fact that you can't buy it without thee handle is no help to reduce the investment. Between FX30 and A7IV I'd choose the first as the A7IV apparently has a major issue with overheating which makes it unreliable to work with.
My girlfriend and I both use a7iv for shooting live music sessions with controlled lighting. Thinking about adding a 3rd camera and I’m going back and forth on another a7iv or an fx3. Do you have any thoughts or opinions?
@11:24 "...no flash sync control on the fx3" -- this is an error I think. The FX30 has no flash sync control but the FX3 does according to specs. Let me know if I'm wrong!
Basically if you have the money buy the FX3. If you don't have the money or are worried about the upcoming financial recession like Bank of England intervening on the pension fund disaster last week then save your money and get the FX30
@@simons2155 My guess is these supply issues will resolve quickly once the squeeze really starts hitting. No more free money from the government propping up markets. They need markets to crash to stop inflation and the US dollar is wrecking havoc around the world. P.S. if you are American and on trip overseas you can buy goods for stupid cheap prices. The dollar conversion on a FX3 makes it close to $200 cheaper in England because the pound is crashing.
@@vlcheish good point on the outlook financially. the markets basically have to crash or the gov is screwed with controlling inflation so they got to kill it which means they also need employment to go higher and will keep raising rares. this will impact everyone and curious how camera companies respond once users are not buying every new release they put out.
@@roxisarobot FX3 & a7Siii apsc crop is only available when using 1080p resolution, not in 4k. I just use some clear image zoom + active ibis to eliminate vignetting when using apsc lenses on a7Siii
In US fx30 and fx3 price difference are half. But from where i am at the price for fx30 with xlr is 9000 while fx3 is 15750. It's only a 6,750 difference. Though i can buy the 3 new apsc lens with that price difference. It's really hard to choose between them as i really like the fx3 since from the start. I am happy that fx30 was introduced because it looked like fx3. A7siii here is just 12,500 so it is 3,500 difference but the looks of the fx is not there. Don't like the looks of a7siii as it looks like a normal camera. If i choose the fx30 will it still be good? Planning to use it on my youtube channel and maybe do some indie films. Hoping you could help me decide.
Great Video. One question about FX3. Im professional colorist and sometimes when I shoot some stills for my personal use I do not wonna spent time in post as Im doing it every day professionally for future movies. Can i shoot stills with baking in LUTs ? Or just Raw? I cant find the answer for that question anywhere. Hope U will hel me :) Im just before my decision to buy F3...
Hey Martin, Yes you can back in LUTs into stills.You should be able to add your chosen LUT into the picture profile you would like to use. You can see more here - helpguide.sony.net/ilc/2210/v1/en/contents/TP0002920003.html Start where it says: “to register user luts”. Hope this helps, Jake
@@CVPTV Great ! Thank U. After U post and mostly because U work done with F3 i just bought one yesterday. Such a great tool . Like a mini tiny brother of those I use working on future films. Thank U.
I just got the fx 30 not delivered yet and have a brand new 6600 I was going to sell it but may keep both for just that reason the fx 30 smokes the 6600 for cinematic film look Sony is full of it for making need to keep both. I have seen picture test that show similar pics from both I will update you when it comes in.
Hello Folks, I wanna ask you which camera some of the instagram models are using. For example. Dennis Boeer. Michael Yerger. Jaco Brott I would like to know which camera are the using, I love the quality of the pictures. Also are they editing it, how? If someone know, I would love to hear that from you. Thank u very much!
Yo I've been searching through all the videos for the FX 30 and I'm still unsure, so I'm a complete amateur and I'm looking for my first proper camera, at the moment I use a Sony Xperia Pro I and a canon M50 mk2 and I've been looking at the FX 3 for a year but the price is always stopping me where as this is far more affordable but alot of people are telling me to just save the extra for the FX 3, but after getting lenses , monitor and a rig, I just can't justify the price of the FX 3 as an amateur. From what I've seen the fx30 is a great camera but what is your opinion on buying it as a "first " proper filming camera ? to learn with, maybe take some classes to really get a grip with all the features, or is it important to get full frame for this ?
The FX30 is an INSANELY GOOD camera to start out with! Soooo good. I started out with a Panasonic GH1 as my first camera while in film school. While the FX30 is in many ways "better" than my Sony FS7 I have now!
Would you recommend the Sony a7s III instead of any of these for a hybrid but yet more video inclined person? Would be my only camera so it needs to cover both.
Why have only one?? You could get a new FX30 *and* a secondhand a6300 all for a total cost much lower than an a7Smk3! *And* you'd have a better camera for filming with, while having a nifty B Cam too. (arguably better for stills too)
@@davidconsumerofmath I don't want to carry 2 cameras with me all the time when traveling or casually because the fx30 doesn't come with any photo features so that means I would have to go around with the a6400 plus it later one you want to upgrade to a real cine camera you need complete new full frame lenses.
Just wanted point out that lenses for smaller sensors are not less expensive if you're equating for the fact that you're getting worse noise performance, dynamic range, and less background blur with the same field of view and aperture. To get equivalent results the lenses end up being very similar in price.
@@luavasconcelos1637 wow. That's is expensive. That's more like Canadian dollar pricing except here we have to pay 13% tax on top. I Don't know how they come up with these numbers.
I'm half expecting an FX3mkII on the way given that the FX30 has new features, not in the FX3. Focus breathing compensation and color focus map, the USB video out improvements, and animal eye tracking.
Fx30 after VAT is 2300€ in your website thats almost negligible difference between a7iV. It's a no brainer! Plus the crop on 4k120p on fx30 seals the deal.
but doesn’t the A7iv already crop at 60fps by 1.5/1.6? And they may cost the same but I already have a few APS-C lenses, it wouldn’t make sense (at least for me financially) to go A7iv AND needing to get expensive full-frame glass
@@chrswnd it's from full frame crop, but in fx30 you have already a default crop of 1.5 and another crop of 1.55. meaning you are using a sensor smaller than m43 at 4k120p. Does it make sense to you?
@@PMSchaft ohh you are right of course 😊 I was thinking of APS-C lens on A7iv… but yeah it’s annoying, I will probably film 120/240fps in 1080p and upscale it later if I need a super slow mo
I never understood the word 'pre-amp' - is this measurable? Is there a number, that shows me "ah, yea, it got better preamps .." ?? Maybe you have a video on that, I'll check that out
@@MariusGerome a bad preamp might also have worse dynamic range Also when people talk about "preamps" they often mean the limiters too, which can vary a lot in quality
@@CVPTV His exact words were “The body of the FX30 does use a bit more plastic than the FX3, but this does make it a bit lighter without it feeling flimsy.” but I don’t recall anyone else saying that.
@@davidconsumerofmath Alister says that there is almost no difference in noise or DR between the FX30’s two base ISOs and that the base sensitivities are more sensibly split, whereas with the FX3 and FX6, the much higher base sensitivity of 12800 ISO is noticeably noisier and suffers a slight reduction in DR.
Can you shoot crop mode with A7 IV? i do a lot of surf photography from shore using 200-600 and need that extra reach. so if i shoot in 60p how much does it crop ?
I'm confused. are you shooting photo or video. for photo, it dosn't matter, you can just crop in post. but in video, that's is a whole different story, your 200-600mm in 4k 60p will become 300-900mm.and with active Ibis ON. it's about 350-1000mm. If you use clear image zoom in 4k, that's another 1.5X crop(450-1350mm) and in 1080p it will be 2X crop(600-1800mm)
can you please tell me which company in 2022 produces mirrorless camera with no rolling shutter, aside from stacked sensor. or micro 4/3. beside who use their camera by wipping from one side to the other.
@@youareawesome8 I never said other cameras exhibited no rolling shutter. Just was pointing out how bad the one in this Sony is. I think around 27ms in full frame. which is terrible. The A7s3/FX3 I believe is around 8ms for a frame of reference. Fuji XH2s is around 12ms. Canon r5 is 15.5. Its a side effect of an underpowered camera with inadequate readout speed, and it absolutely affects performance even if you aren't whipping your camera around when its that bad.
@@joshkiddfilms1295 You got your values for X-H2S wrong. X-H2S is ~9.7ms at 14 bit readout and 5.3ms at 12 bit readout. FX30 is 15.7ms. Also, there's no way non-stacked sensors are gonna match stacked sensors in terms of readout speeds. 15.7 is not fantastic, but it is already a very good improvement over the old 2014 sensors that were still being chucked into the ZV-E10. I was hoping they would use a S35 cut of the A7iv sensor instead for faster readout, but Sony probably wants to streamline the production line, since this new 26MP is also likely the new architecture for the A7R5. It probably costs more to make a specific cut just for 1 product line. Rolling shutter of the FX30 is over-exaggerated. I QC shows before delivering them for broadcast and in the last year of hundreds of shows, I've only seen ONE whip pan. Rolling shutter aside, most people probably don't even know they aren't supposed to exceed a certain pan speed based on focal length. Majority of people are still shooting 24/25p even though not a single platform supports that natively resulting in garbage jitter due to the transcoding by social media platforms. TL;DR it's not that bad. And people have more things to worry about than rolling shutter.
@@youareawesome8 yea most full frame mirrorless have a s35 or Aps-c mode that reduces the rolling shutter. So that’s what I meant when referring to the a74 in full frame. I don’t see what you are trying to prove here. The a74 has terrible rolling shutter. Sony itself has cameras that are drastically better in that regard. Sure the a74 is higher resolution but there’s other full frame options that aren’t nearly as bad as the a74’s rs. If you are into that tho more power to you
FX30 is overrated for the average user. The rolling shutter is TERRIBLE! It's REALLY bad; makes me wish I didn't buy it. The A74 or even the A73 is all the camera you'll need for great video and amazing photos.
Have the FX3 and it does everything I need it to do. If the FX30 came out before I might have went with that. We're spoiled as filmmakers. Wasn't too long ago we were all shooting on Canon 5Ds and Pansonic GH1s.
A7IV.
For features and budget... Couldn't go wrong with it. I have it since released day.
I was gonna buy one of these 3 but was at a loss which was best, thanks for this video. Im gonna go with the FX 3.
We have both the FX30 and A7iv and LOVE the a7iv. You need to add the Ulanzi cooling fan ($50) but then it never overheats.
With a SmallRig cage adapter, you can add the same top-handle for XLR audio just like the FX3/FX30.
The EVF is AMAZING for in-camera.
For cinematographers on a budget: put a good lens on the FX30 and you could probably fool a lot of people by saying it was shot with an FX3 or even a more expensive camera probably. I think the FX30 is just at the sweet-spot where you begin to see very deminishing returns in terms of what you pay vs what you get. So I would rather put that extra money into some great lenses, unless your plan to spend like $20,000 or more on your camera gear that is.
Would you purchase FF glass or aps for the fx30?
@@m_schneider I don’t think that really matters, unless there is a big chance you may switch to a full frame camera later. Then it’s nice to be able to keep using the same lenses I guess.
@@m_schneider nope! that's dumb 35 cinema glass is the best and sigma glass with promist filters will blow your mind
@@tonyamartin1425is this 7artisans or something else?
depends how much you value low light performance.
Correction: Timecode is synced via Multi-port, which is located just below the USB-C port.
8:51 - LOVE the fact that you can display the digital level gauge WITH the recording info overlay!!! That is missing from the A7iv and you have to cycle through all your display modes to get it. This feature alone is worth picking up an FX camera!
What is a digital level gauge? Like exposure levels?
@@spaceghostcqc2137 No, it's a gyro level. In woodworking it would be considered a spirit or bubble level. Having it on screen along with all the other info is a game changer in terms of usability. Most other camera makes already allowed it.
@@RandumbTech Thank you for clarifying
With gyro data being available in more and more cameras, the days of worrying about ibis is over. You get gimbal-like smoothness while shooting handheld. So good.
This was a really helpful video! It’s so hard to compare just the prices, but seeing all that each has to offer has really helped me to decide on a good second cam! Thank you!
A7IV in crop mode still slightly outperforms FX30 though, and can also take stills.
agreed. with reduced rolling shutter in crop mode, the A7IV makes an excellent Super 35 video camera with the *option* to shoot full frame. that has always been my approach to using mine. this has has been affirmed for me with Sony’s recent APS-C lenses i am anticipating on getting for my A7IV.
@@justinlaturno I have a7iv and I use tamron 17-28 2.8 and sony 55 1.8 and sometimes for video I use the sigma 18-35 1.8 with sigma mc 11 and works great. I do arquitecture and interior design videos . the fx 30 its a nice video camera but indoors when you don't lot of space you can't match a lens like 12mm full frame 2.8(4k 24fps) in apsc also in bright light that screen for sure you won't see nothing because you also don't have evf so you have to invest in a external monitor and for 4k 120 you must buy the news card from sony tipe b that are way expensive. I think the a7iv have the good of both worlds photography and video with better iso performance in low light .
$1799 USD vs $2499 USD, not including lens and accessories. For people heavily into video, it's a no brainer! Especially since the other Sony competition is ZV E10 or a6600 for aps c
@@Samiam-mu5ln the a7iv is 2250 with edu discount. You would be stupid to go with the fx30
@@Yupthereitism nah, FF is overrated. Maybe if you live in RUclips World, but give it a month or so and the FX30 is going to be Netflix approved and it's going to be the most inexpensive camera for VIDEO purposes! The only people who say you gotta have Full Frame are those who don't work in the industry 🤡
I have been wowed by the FX30 but the fun part is I have an A6600 and can use the same lenses and batteries on both. A6600 I can do for photos and have it as a "B" cam to the FX30. I want to get more lenses but I don't want to have to spend on multiple lenses.
Same boat here. Been running a 6400 and 6500 for while and have built up a decent lens collection for this apsc line.
The FX30 would've been the perfect beginner filmmaker camera if the sensor resolution was the same as the FX3. Meaning better low light performance than 26MP and faster rolling shutter. Only caveats to that camera.
Exactly. It seems like Sony did it the wrong way around by having a "jello" high-res apsc sensor but an "uncroppable" low-res FF sensor, which is counter-productive for video.
Fx 30 has similar rolling shutter performance as c70 but more detailed xavc footage. And it can take nice photos as well. 26 mp is not an issue but slower processing speed is.
Sony might use this 26mp sensor across their whole apsc lineup, just as they used 24mp in a6100-a6600 bodies, you basically design 1 sensor that does it all
@@kapilesh14 I agree, people are exaggerating how "bad" the rolling shutter of the FX30 is.
Likewise, the FX30 does much better in low light than people realize!
thats probably my biggest hiccup with wanting to buy that camera. if it had the same 8ms rolling shutter that would be obvious but the fact they went with 26mp on a video camera is bizarre since you are subsampling and ditching most of the data, getting worse lowlight performance and rolling shutter. honestly all 3 cameras have different strengths and weaknesses when it comes to video which makes all of them not favorable in my opinion as there should be a clear winner.
The biggest difference to the FX3 is croppin in slow-motion IMHO. Also low light performance is night and day different. It's like an entirely different camera.
Prefer the A7 IV since I like being able to do well in both, photography and video. It's serves as an excellent B-cam for videos.
I went with the FX30 for the better internal recording. The noise reduction on the FX3 really kills the organic texture a cinema camera should have.
Great video, thank you so much, this is a much needed comparison!! What I wondered is how the crop mode of the a7iv stacks up to the fx30 because you'd basically have the best of both worlds: you could use aps-c lenses or affordable cine zooms for super35 but still take advantage of the better low light performance etc. when using full frame lenses when shooting 4k 24p or in FHD. Did you do any tests in that regard? :)
Would be an easy choice for me, the FX30 but with the price that is being sold l in US. The price of €2.200 or £2.100 it's ridiculous compared to the $1.800. even with the pound down, it's not fair such a big price gap
You have to add the state tax on for any prices you see in the USA. They dont quote them...even in supermarkets...so when you get to the till you get slapped with whatever VAT they charge in that state ontop of the price you see on the shelf.
US prices are shown without sales tax. (Which is complete absurd, as a customer you want to know total cost)
@@tor2919 yea it's important to factor that in, as well as additional accessories like batteries & cards,,, there are some things that can help like Amazon's cashback & B&H payaboo card
@@halosoundandvision924 here in ontario Canada. we pay 13% tax on top of the retail price.
I love how the release price of the FX30 in the USA was $1800 (£1400) but in the UK it was sold for £2099. £700 above the exchange rate.
The prices in US are always without taxes... So 1800 would be around ca 2200 with (20%) taxes...
Thank you! Great information
Would love a video with a focus on A7iv 4k crop mode, and full frame 1080p since those have better rolling shutter performance
really concise - thanks guys
I already own an A7SIII and an FX3... I'm very tempted to get an FX30 but that would tecnically bring me nothing to me... but the FX body and CINE EI is way better than the A7SIII for taking videos
Get the FX30 and sell the a7Smk3? Profit $$$
Love your detailed review. I only wish you'd do streaking tests of each cameras. My a7c has severe streaking in S-log3, and noticable in S-log2. Now I want to upgrade to a7 iv, hope will not in it anymore.
Use HLg2 and HLg 3
@@beirutgaming they are crippled, I am not interested
Which camera you would recommend for weddings if budget is not an obstacle?
Thank-you so much for great and valuable videos!
I’d be curious to see how well the FX30 can match with my old FS7, it might be a nice B-cam to productions that are still using the FS7/FS5 especially paired with the Fujinon Cine zooms
Lol, your old fs7! I still use an fs100
I'm thinking the same, get the FX30 for my FS7
Double a7siii owner. Never in doubt
as always very nice and detailed video guys ! But I have a question: How would the autofocus work on the FX30 + Sigma MC11 + 18-35mm ? I'm considering it because I have the lens already, its amazing and I have the FX30 on the way already but if the autofocus is not that great, might just go for a analog adapter, manual focus and stick with native lenses for its autofocus. (of course I know the 18-35 might not beat a native lens but if its close enough, it'll be worth it for me. )
I use a number of sigma lenses on my a7siii with the MC11 and the autofocus works splendidly. So I imagine it’d be a similar case with the fx30
@@aleclyons5755 thanks for letting me know ! I'll order the MC11
Autofocus is as good as native with MC-11. Only drawback is there is a fairly loud autofocus clicking sound from 18-35
great video, but I would like to see videos comparing images with other cameras like lumix s5, canon r6, evaluating the quality of images, so your video would not be aimed only at a group that uses Sony, even though I am a Sony a7iv user
I’m considering the fx3 and the a7rv for shooting RUclips videos. Do you have advice for which is better?
Mainly just tripod shots of myself for vlogs
Thats an overkill buddy, especially for vlogging i would recommend a6700 it has the same sensor as the fx30 you save up money. Get a decent lens and stabilizer
@@cael9844 gotcha. I just really want the best quality footage for RUclips I can get and I’ve heard the fx3 is one of the best cameras for that
Great Video! Personally, I have the 7IV for my private events, the FS5 for eng, and planning to get the fx30 for private event were I am require to shoot video only.
Thank you for the information. Thank you very much for not trying to entertain.
If I had to pick one of course the FX3 would be my choice as I absolutely love the image that it produces, although the price is clearly higher than the other 2 and the fact that you can't buy it without thee handle is no help to reduce the investment. Between FX30 and A7IV I'd choose the first as the A7IV apparently has a major issue with overheating which makes it unreliable to work with.
if the FX3 had an evf and internal nd filter I would go from team Canon to team Sony
My girlfriend and I both use a7iv for shooting live music sessions with controlled lighting. Thinking about adding a 3rd camera and I’m going back and forth on another a7iv or an fx3. Do you have any thoughts or opinions?
Do you want to primarily use it for video? Jake
@@CVPTV yes
Very interesting, thank you.
selling my both of sony a7iiis and going to get a sony a7siii and a sony fx30 as my go to for now. ..Thoughts?
ty for this video
Great video, thank You. Yes, this is my question: FX30 or A 7 IV? Best regards, Kai the Bee filmer from Kiel.
For filming with? Easy! Get the FX30
just bought FX3, 2 hour later fx30 coming :)
most people only consider the fx30 as a secondary cam, so you are still good with the fx3 :)
you got the better camera so no worries. i'd still get the fx3 even with the fx30 now on the market :)
FX3 is superior. And Jesus loves you!
1st from Korea +_+!!! Thanks for video
@11:24 "...no flash sync control on the fx3" -- this is an error I think. The FX30 has no flash sync control but the FX3 does according to specs.
Let me know if I'm wrong!
FX3 any day.
Sony A74 for me
Basically if you have the money buy the FX3.
If you don't have the money or are worried about the upcoming financial recession like Bank of England intervening on the pension fund disaster last week then save your money and get the FX30
the energy crisis this winter you want be able to charge either camera
@@simons2155 My guess is these supply issues will resolve quickly once the squeeze really starts hitting. No more free money from the government propping up markets. They need markets to crash to stop inflation and the US dollar is wrecking havoc around the world. P.S. if you are American and on trip overseas you can buy goods for stupid cheap prices. The dollar conversion on a FX3 makes it close to $200 cheaper in England because the pound is crashing.
@@vlcheish good point on the outlook financially. the markets basically have to crash or the gov is screwed with controlling inflation so they got to kill it which means they also need employment to go higher and will keep raising rares. this will impact everyone and curious how camera companies respond once users are not buying every new release they put out.
Would the fx3 in apsc more work better then the fx30 (if I want to use small apsc lenses with it)
@@roxisarobot FX3 & a7Siii apsc crop is only available when using 1080p resolution, not in 4k. I just use some clear image zoom + active ibis to eliminate vignetting when using apsc lenses on a7Siii
great video!
I'm thinking to get fx30 for my B cam..
Also, I have a question, what mic do you use with fx3 / 30? the one with 2 xlrs
ecm-ms2
What about overheating on the a7iv? FX3/30 has no overheating issues.
Did you guys reupload this video?I remember I have seen this hours before.
Yeah there was an error I wanted to fix! Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks for your hard work, a lot of useful information about FX30.
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Is a nice moment to buy an fx3 today? Or is better wait 2025?
If only the A7 had a fan, then the choice would be easy😢
In US fx30 and fx3 price difference are half. But from where i am at the price for fx30 with xlr is 9000 while fx3 is 15750. It's only a 6,750 difference. Though i can buy the 3 new apsc lens with that price difference. It's really hard to choose between them as i really like the fx3 since from the start. I am happy that fx30 was introduced because it looked like fx3. A7siii here is just 12,500 so it is 3,500 difference but the looks of the fx is not there. Don't like the looks of a7siii as it looks like a normal camera. If i choose the fx30 will it still be good? Planning to use it on my youtube channel and maybe do some indie films. Hoping you could help me decide.
Yes, get the FX30!
Great Video. One question about FX3. Im professional colorist and sometimes when I shoot some stills for my personal use I do not wonna spent time in post as Im doing it every day professionally for future movies. Can i shoot stills with baking in LUTs ? Or just Raw? I cant find the answer for that question anywhere. Hope U will hel me :) Im just before my decision to buy F3...
Hey Martin, Yes you can back in LUTs into stills.You should be able to add your chosen LUT into the picture profile you would like to use. You can see more here - helpguide.sony.net/ilc/2210/v1/en/contents/TP0002920003.html Start where it says: “to register user luts”. Hope this helps, Jake
@@CVPTV Great ! Thank U. After U post and mostly because U work done with F3 i just bought one yesterday. Such a great tool . Like a mini tiny brother of those I use working on future films. Thank U.
I really wanted the FX 30, but when I found out it only shoots single pictures. I changed my mind. I'm a hybrid shooter.
I just got the fx 30 not delivered yet and have a brand new 6600 I was going to sell it but may keep both for just that reason the fx 30 smokes the 6600 for cinematic film look Sony is full of it for making need to keep both. I have seen picture test that show similar pics from both I will update you when it comes in.
If your a hybrid shooter why would consider a cinema camera? A7 IV is literally a hybrid camera
Hello Folks, I wanna ask you which camera some of the instagram models are using. For example. Dennis Boeer. Michael Yerger. Jaco Brott
I would like to know which camera are the using, I love the quality of the pictures. Also are they editing it, how? If someone know, I would love to hear that from you. Thank u very much!
Yo I've been searching through all the videos for the FX 30 and I'm still unsure, so I'm a complete amateur and I'm looking for my first proper camera, at the moment I use a Sony Xperia Pro I and a canon M50 mk2 and I've been looking at the FX 3 for a year but the price is always stopping me where as this is far more affordable but alot of people are telling me to just save the extra for the FX 3, but after getting lenses , monitor and a rig, I just can't justify the price of the FX 3 as an amateur. From what I've seen the fx30 is a great camera but what is your opinion on buying it as a "first " proper filming camera ? to learn with, maybe take some classes to really get a grip with all the features, or is it important to get full frame for this ?
The FX30 is an INSANELY GOOD camera to start out with! Soooo good.
I started out with a Panasonic GH1 as my first camera while in film school.
While the FX30 is in many ways "better" than my Sony FS7 I have now!
FX3 is much superior camera, dynamic range, low light performance, signal to noise ratio, rolling shutter performance.
Greetings
Exactly.
As it should be since it's a lot more expensive
It’s almost double the price too.
But is it double the price superior?
Great detail video as always. Can you tell me what small XLR mic you use on the fx30 or recommend any other compact xlr for fx30. Thanks
Thanks for watching ! The mic we used was the ECM-MS2. Jake
@@CVPTV thank you
THNX quite clear what to buy _ FX30_
give us a full review on a7c ii
Can you not use apsc lenses on the a7iv in super 35 mode?
Yes, but worse performance for the a7
Would you recommend the Sony a7s III instead of any of these for a hybrid but yet more video inclined person? Would be my only camera so it needs to cover both.
Why have only one?? You could get a new FX30 *and* a secondhand a6300 all for a total cost much lower than an a7Smk3! *And* you'd have a better camera for filming with, while having a nifty B Cam too. (arguably better for stills too)
@@davidconsumerofmath I don't want to carry 2 cameras with me all the time when traveling or casually because the fx30 doesn't come with any photo features so that means I would have to go around with the a6400 plus it later one you want to upgrade to a real cine camera you need complete new full frame lenses.
@@davidconsumerofmath I have the a6300 and a7siii, the a7siii is leagues ahead of the a6300 for stills
"should I have the money.”
What’s the best dual iso for the Sony A7iv
800 and 3200 ISO
Just wanted point out that lenses for smaller sensors are not less expensive if you're equating for the fact that you're getting worse noise performance, dynamic range, and less background blur with the same field of view and aperture.
To get equivalent results the lenses end up being very similar in price.
Exactly. Don't buy all of the FX30's and make them out of stock for months if not years like the FX3 and A7Siii... let me buy one first.
Is the footage included unprocessed?
hard choice, specially with "European" prices...if I was in the US, I asked me no questions...thx sony :(
Exactly
how much is it in europe?
@@youareawesome8 $2400 without xlr base ans $2800 with. I might as well get the a7iv :(
@@luavasconcelos1637 wow. That's is expensive. That's more like Canadian dollar pricing except here we have to pay 13% tax on top. I Don't know how they come up with these numbers.
I’ve noticed you’ve blurred out the first native ISO for the A74 while shooting in slog3, does this mean you think is 800 and not 640? Thanks
Yes it's 800 not 640. Jake
What camera should I have for shooting a decent fiction show for RUclips..
your iPhone is enough for youtube
May I ask can crane m3 handles fx30 with Sigma 18-50?
You lost me when you said to use speedbooster to maximize image quality.
the presenter looks like Hugh grant
I don’t think the A7 has the fine control over shutter to deal with filming CRT screens.
Oh man…if the a74s rolling shutter were better…its terrible even in crop mode…
actually the rolling shutter performance of the a7iv in crop mode is better than the fx30
I went with E-P7.
Canon 70D ALL DAY!!!
rubbish low light, no full size HDMI?
What is the camera you used for this video?...Thanks
Links to what we used our in the description! Jake
14:12 "all of these cameras can go wrong" what does that mean?
everything breaks, is what he means.
i've been trying the sony A7 IV but it gets hot... after 15 mins and then every 2 mins... shut down... crazy
Have you changed the Auto Power Off temp setting? This may help but the a7 IV will overheat in certain conditions. Jake
Go to your camera settings and put your temperature to High
good question CVP informative 15mins
I'm half expecting an FX3mkII on the way given that the FX30 has new features, not in the FX3. Focus breathing compensation and color focus map, the USB video out improvements, and animal eye tracking.
Sony ain't making another camera for the features you just named
Fx30 after VAT is 2300€ in your website thats almost negligible difference between a7iV. It's a no brainer! Plus the crop on 4k120p on fx30 seals the deal.
not to mention how bad that noise performance is.
@@nicholasboule5134 yeah, i hate it when youtubers are not telling the obvious s***T
but doesn’t the A7iv already crop at 60fps by 1.5/1.6? And they may cost the same but I already have a few APS-C lenses, it wouldn’t make sense (at least for me financially) to go A7iv AND needing to get expensive full-frame glass
@@chrswnd it's from full frame crop, but in fx30 you have already a default crop of 1.5 and another crop of 1.55. meaning you are using a sensor smaller than m43 at 4k120p. Does it make sense to you?
@@PMSchaft ohh you are right of course 😊 I was thinking of APS-C lens on A7iv… but yeah it’s annoying, I will probably film 120/240fps in 1080p and upscale it later if I need a super slow mo
How well can you colour match between the Sony A7IV and the FX30. I was thinking of picking up an FX30 as a B-Cam to my A7IV
You'll find the FX30 will not be your B Cam but your A Cam!
I never understood the word 'pre-amp' - is this measurable? Is there a number, that shows me "ah, yea, it got better preamps .." ?? Maybe you have a video on that, I'll check that out
No pre-amps do not have easily measurable stats like resolution or framerate. Gotta use those ears to gauge the pre-amp fidelity.
@@Sqeedledee Thats already good to know. Does a bad preamp just result in more background noise, or anything else?
@@Sqeedledee there are easily measurable stats, just camera manufacturers don't care at all about audio, thus they don't publish it
@@MariusGerome a bad preamp might also have worse dynamic range
Also when people talk about "preamps" they often mean the limiters too, which can vary a lot in quality
@@davidconsumerofmath Sure bud.
Since the used price of the a7m4 is the same as the fx30, I have to buy a used a7m4 ;)
Alister Chapman remarks that the FX30 has more plastic bits than the FX3 and that, unlike the FX3, the FX30 has a true dual base ISO sensor.
Really, when I had them side by side, they seemed identical. Maybe he means internally? Jake
@@CVPTV His exact words were “The body of the FX30 does use a bit more plastic than the FX3, but this does make it a bit lighter without it feeling flimsy.” but I don’t recall anyone else saying that.
It is interesting that that the FX30 has true dual base ISOs, does that mean the FX30 is a little better at its second ISO than the FX3? :-o
@@davidconsumerofmath Alister says that there is almost no difference in noise or DR between the FX30’s two base ISOs and that the base sensitivities are more sensibly split, whereas with the FX3 and FX6, the much higher base sensitivity of 12800 ISO is noticeably noisier and suffers a slight reduction in DR.
@@davidconsumerofmath PRR recorded externally has a massive crop, too - identical to MFT.
Can you shoot crop mode with A7 IV? i do a lot of surf photography from shore using 200-600 and need that extra reach. so if i shoot in 60p how much does it crop ?
Yeah 4k60 already has significant crop like 1.5 or 1.6
I'm confused. are you shooting photo or video. for photo, it dosn't matter, you can just crop in post. but in video, that's is a whole different story, your 200-600mm in 4k 60p will become 300-900mm.and with active Ibis ON. it's about 350-1000mm. If you use clear image zoom in 4k, that's another 1.5X crop(450-1350mm) and in 1080p it will be 2X crop(600-1800mm)
I really don’t know which one to get 😢
thank you but why would you tell us the difrence of the white point(maybe WB sensor) in front of the camera?
can we shoot feature film for theatre release by fx3 & fx30
the quality of your film will decide this
The next FX 3 need to have a 8k downsample or even higher, they fan is wasted on the 12 mp sensor.
Thats never going to be a thing, just buy an A1 if that's what you need.
FX6 has the same sensor as FX3. Alexa Mini is 7MP. Cinema cameras do not use high MP sensors.
Where is the Sony A7siii in this
We mention this video in the video as to why it wasn’t included! - ruclips.net/video/KH_WZFqBjxI/видео.html
Wait - can someone confirm that the first native iso shooting s-log 3 on the A7IV is 640 not 800. I was sure it was 800.
Can fx30 use speedlight?
you only buy the fx30 because you couldn't afford a fx3
true, more expensive body but also the lenses $$$
Blows my mind how Sony created cameras with such poor rolling shutter performance in 2022. I don’t get it
can you please tell me which company in 2022 produces mirrorless camera with no rolling shutter, aside from stacked sensor. or micro 4/3. beside who use their camera by wipping from one side to the other.
@@youareawesome8 I never said other cameras exhibited no rolling shutter. Just was pointing out how bad the one in this Sony is. I think around 27ms in full frame. which is terrible. The A7s3/FX3 I believe is around 8ms for a frame of reference. Fuji XH2s is around 12ms. Canon r5 is 15.5. Its a side effect of an underpowered camera with inadequate readout speed, and it absolutely affects performance even if you aren't whipping your camera around when its that bad.
@@joshkiddfilms1295 You got your values for X-H2S wrong. X-H2S is ~9.7ms at 14 bit readout and 5.3ms at 12 bit readout. FX30 is 15.7ms. Also, there's no way non-stacked sensors are gonna match stacked sensors in terms of readout speeds. 15.7 is not fantastic, but it is already a very good improvement over the old 2014 sensors that were still being chucked into the ZV-E10. I was hoping they would use a S35 cut of the A7iv sensor instead for faster readout, but Sony probably wants to streamline the production line, since this new 26MP is also likely the new architecture for the A7R5. It probably costs more to make a specific cut just for 1 product line.
Rolling shutter of the FX30 is over-exaggerated. I QC shows before delivering them for broadcast and in the last year of hundreds of shows, I've only seen ONE whip pan. Rolling shutter aside, most people probably don't even know they aren't supposed to exceed a certain pan speed based on focal length. Majority of people are still shooting 24/25p even though not a single platform supports that natively resulting in garbage jitter due to the transcoding by social media platforms.
TL;DR it's not that bad. And people have more things to worry about than rolling shutter.
@@youareawesome8 yea most full frame mirrorless have a s35 or Aps-c mode that reduces the rolling shutter. So that’s what I meant when referring to the a74 in full frame. I don’t see what you are trying to prove here. The a74 has terrible rolling shutter. Sony itself has cameras that are drastically better in that regard. Sure the a74 is higher resolution but there’s other full frame options that aren’t nearly as bad as the a74’s rs. If you are into that tho more power to you
@@professionalpotato4764 yea I was just approximating those values off the top of my head. But was talking about the a74 more so than the fx30.
None of those…..
The cost of cf express type A cards is too high for me to consider this otherwise capable camera.
FX30 is overrated for the average user. The rolling shutter is TERRIBLE! It's REALLY bad; makes me wish I didn't buy it. The A74 or even the A73 is all the camera you'll need for great video and amazing photos.
non. if you do video get a panasonic, if you take photos get a nikon or a canon. you are welcome.
lol why, Sony is way better, even Canon is better
@@finality4795ya not really.
A7r5 thank you