Appreciate your final thoughts comparison. Navi being the better vehicle for a basic commuter vehicle with its storage and simplicity but the Grom being more for a fun hobby. Only comparison I have seen that broke it down this way.
I got a Navi because I wasn't sure if I would actually like motorcycling, so I wanted something cheap and easy to ride. It's a year later, and I want a manual transmission and the ability to hit 60, but I can't quite part with the goofy, little, green gremlin (I call him Bike Wazowski). The kick starter comes in handy when you accidentally leave the ignition key on for a few cold days, and wind up with a flat battery. Plus, it's fun to use it to confuse people at the gas station. If the bike is already warm, I like to start it with the kick starter just for fun.
@Spencer Desmarais Glad you like that one! I really wanted nut brown, but I couldn't get one around me. So I was set on buying a set of brown plastics until one day I happened to really look at the headlight dead on and realized that it looks just like Mike Wazowski. I guess I can't change the color now or the name wouldn't make sense!
You ain’t hitting 60 on a grom 55 MAYBE and honestly I’d say the Navi is better the gears on the grom get in the way of the speed my Navi takes off on groms mainly because I don’t have to switch gears to pick up speed Ps I feel the same way about the little green fucker she’s just to fun to get rid of I named mine Fiona 😂
This man is really really helpful, I have been looking and needing a person to explain everything about these two. I am a first time rider and just wanted to know my better option for a first bike. This video makes me want to get a Grom but the Navi will probably be better for me. Thank you so very much for explaining everything and comparing.
I'm with you too. The only bike I've rode was a bicycle. 😂 but looking into either the grom or navi. Just something around town. The highest I'll need to go where I live is just 50mph.
Got my Navi last summer after a 3 week wait. The dealer says he's sold a bunch and though I don't doubt it, why am I the only one I've seen on the road? That aside, the Navi is a fine "grocery getter." At 110cc, riding in town doesn't shortchange it's potential as might be the case with a Grom. Still, the only way out of town is by freeway and neither bike is allowed. Quite honestly, at 70, I've had my share of 2 wheel adventures and the Navi fills a purpose of keeping my basic skills refreshed and I hope a little more aware of other riders when I'm in the cage without the expense and weight of anything larger. Plus there's always a place to park at the casino...LOL.
I picked up a Navi last year and have loved it. Definitely the most fun I’ve had on a bike under $2.5k brand new. My wife is practically glued to it lol! I recently picked up a 2020 Grom for myself. They are definitely different bikes, but so much fun. Thanks for the video🤘🏻
They're both so fun, you're not wrong! Smiles per dollar is off the charts. I have no regrets with either bike, but my wife doesn't ride and I don't use my Navi much anymore, so keeping the Grom, selling the Navi.
Grabbing the navi for daily and uber/doordash delivery. I live in a big city with alot of lights so no need for a grom because I won't be doing a ton of expressways
I think I would want the navi over the grom. I feel like both bikes are for counting and the navi has a big storage compartment. Also for 5-800 more then a grom you can get a cbr 300 that makes more sense to me then a grom but that's just how I feel about Thea's mini bikes.
Navi: Good:Low cost, automatic, unlike all scooters rear brake is at your right foot just like every motorcycles, no chain adjustments/maintenance, low tech so easy trouble shooting, smart trunk. The Bad: Need some warm up, low power, small tank (very small), no led anywhere, will need carb adjustments cause they often run rich from the factory, also rejet because of your elevation where you live. So if you travel from 4,000ft and ride to sea level you will be running lean af 🤣 Grom, the good: good power, 5 speed, good brakes, easy to find tires, lots of aftermarket out there, big tank, led almost everywhere, great gauge cluster, fuel injected so you start it and ride away. The bad: it has a chain so yes maintenance (get TST chain adjusters), some have a false neutral issue when shifting from first to second or trying to find neutral, no trunk/storage, no center stand (T-Rex sells one). Personally, I was going for the Navi, then I changed my mind to get again a Grom. Would I love to own both, yes I would. My first mods would be; grips, T14 front sprocket, chain adjuster, rear luggage rack with givi Monokey plate, LED turn signals. After what ever makes the bike more useful for my needs, no exhaust system needed really
That's a great summary. I had some finicky real rich carb issues when I first got my Navi, but like you said, it's an easy and known thing to troubleshoot and adjust! Both have some great pros.
@@SpencerDesmarais that's why I would love to own both. Some days I just want to twist the throttle and go not having to change gears. The Navi is a cool runabout, useful. The Grom is a jack of all trades, fun, capable, great range so pretty good for long trips. Crazy saying that about a 125 but yeah, with this new gen of the Grom I could see my self do major roadtrips. Something I wouldn't have done with my 2014. First of the seat is a lot better than the first gen, 5 speed helps to keep your cruising speed. My wife knows I want both... She's nervous when I go look at bikes lately 🤣
I got the Navi, because, and I may get some stink eyes for saying it, but the Grom seems like it is trying to be both a small city bike, and a highway bike if needed, but it does neither as well, as the Navi does as a city bike, or anything 250 or above would do as a highway bike. It IS an amazing little minimoto just for the fact that it can technically do damn near anything if you needed it to. But zooming the Navi around the city, and 50 mph or less roads is just a freaking blast. And not having to shift in city traffic is wonderful. Consider the Grom is more than twice the price, and I could literally go to my local dealership today, buy a used low mile year old Royal Enfield 600 with a warranty that they traded in for $3500. For less than six grand I can have a city bike that is fun as shit and tears up the city, and a highway bike that is larger and can effortlessly cruise at highway speeds and above. I'd rather spend the little bit of extra money to have the best of both worlds properly.
I see a late 70's/early 80's Honda Comstar wheel on the right. It's not a CX-500 because the chain adjuster rules out a shaft drive. Is it a CM-400? Hondamatic?
Sure thing, Babbitts online. www.babbittsonline.com/oemparts/l/hon/624c548287a8660f304c03c5/2023-grom125-ac-parts List of the exact parts is at the very very end of this video: ruclips.net/video/sSLgMuQUYRI/видео.html
You can ride them, but it'd be above honda's specified weight limits. My thought would be to look more towards the scooter-ish segment, like an ADV150 of PCX150 as I think those weight limits are closer to 400lbs and they have a bit bigger engines. The ADV150 is freaking sweet, in my opinion, and is only a little more than a new Grom ABS. The suspension and acceleration on a Grom or Navi at 350lbs wouldn't make for a very fun driving experience, I wouldn't think. That could be fixed with replacing suspension and adjusting weights (Navi) or gearing (Grom) in exchange for top speed.
I wouldn't focus on the power in making your decision. Can you drive a manual stick shift car? If so, I'd maybe say go with the Grom, if not maybe go with the Navi and just get used to riding and balancing before adding in any kind of shifting. Really you can't go wrong with either, they're both VERY beginner friendly.
@@SpencerDesmarais thanks i do drive a stick shift car (scion xb) almost every day. if i'm being honest, i'm just trying to be as cautious as possible entering into this. i know the easy answer to that is to not ride at all but trying to weigh all my options
@@SpencerDesmarais damn near impossible in illinios unfortunately all over 3 dhoot I got 2800 hundred to blow and looking Navi looking more afordable by the minute
I would go for the Navi, much better value imo, the Grom engine is a horrid gutless thing and the suspension came straight of a pogo stick plus the price is crazy for such a gutless/funless little bike that requires an expensive suspension upgrade the day you buy one.
Over the years the gram seems to be morphing into something else. For 2023, the gas tank is so bulbous that the bike looks like it's straight out of a cartoon!
Not even comparable. One is double the cost, ones automatic, ones cheap everything lol. New rider or just want a budget pos get a navi. Want to have fun and more build quality with deeper pockets obviously you go grom.
Hey bud, that's a comparison, you just compared them yourself ;) You pointed out some of the differences, but yeah, they're different bikes and clearly built to different price points. But they're both sub $5,000, both are beginner oriented, both have low seat heights, both have sub 125cc engines, both are minimoto hondas, both have a mod scene, both have cheap aftermarket parts. All things that were discussed in the video.. There are a lot of people cross shopping a Navi while looking at a Grom, Monkey, or Super Cub. Also, sorry you feel like your Navi is a POS, I happen to quite like mine and have been happy with the price to quality ratio, I knew what I was getting when I bought it. Thanks for watching though!
@@SpencerDesmarais Navi is a pos but I love it haha. I have one as well. just built cheap but that's why its so affordable. The perfect in between is the trail 125 tho impossible to find. hoping the DAX makes its way over here sooner than later. would be a LARGE market here in the US.
@@resatchel4389 You have a negative way of speaking about it that is very off putting. I'm sure everyone reading your comments feel the same about it. You could have kept the "POS" comments to your self and had a more objective opinion about it. But you definitely chose to be negative. SMH
@@Tobirama_isHimju I own on of thoes POS. That is the reason I bought it. Because it is a cheap POS. I find myself riding that POS more than my other 3 bikes.
just wanna say about the Navi exhausts is in a great position to remove the rear wheel. i am now on my 4th rear tire at 8000 miles and swapped my front at 6000 miles . however, the Navi is kind of a pos so stay with the Grom . the only reason I'm still riding it is to see if i can actually kill the thing but it still runs like a Honda
I have owned both. I think the grom is more fun, it's faster and working the transmission opens up the things you can do on it. The navi has its upsides also, its the easiest bike I have ever ridden. It's layed back and really cheap. Definitely worth its price. It's also more practical with a centstand and storage and being automatic. I would say get the grom if all you care about is fun. And the navi if you want something you could daily or low risk to just try a motercycle.
Appreciate your final thoughts comparison. Navi being the better vehicle for a basic commuter vehicle with its storage and simplicity but the Grom being more for a fun hobby. Only comparison I have seen that broke it down this way.
I got a Navi because I wasn't sure if I would actually like motorcycling, so I wanted something cheap and easy to ride. It's a year later, and I want a manual transmission and the ability to hit 60, but I can't quite part with the goofy, little, green gremlin (I call him Bike Wazowski). The kick starter comes in handy when you accidentally leave the ignition key on for a few cold days, and wind up with a flat battery. Plus, it's fun to use it to confuse people at the gas station. If the bike is already warm, I like to start it with the kick starter just for fun.
I genuinely laughed out loud at Bike Wazowski ahaha
@Spencer Desmarais
Glad you like that one! I really wanted nut brown, but I couldn't get one around me. So I was set on buying a set of brown plastics until one day I happened to really look at the headlight dead on and realized that it looks just like Mike Wazowski. I guess I can't change the color now or the name wouldn't make sense!
You ain’t hitting 60 on a grom 55 MAYBE and honestly I’d say the Navi is better the gears on the grom get in the way of the speed my Navi takes off on groms mainly because I don’t have to switch gears to pick up speed
Ps I feel the same way about the little green fucker she’s just to fun to get rid of I named mine Fiona 😂
It’s crazy to think my custom PC is more expensive than the Navi 😂
Ya my sound system and TV and PS5 cost the same as this and that just goes to show how versatile the price is
Me who decided to blow 10k on my pc setup before I spend the 2k ish on a navi LOL
This man is really really helpful, I have been looking and needing a person to explain everything about these two. I am a first time rider and just wanted to know my better option for a first bike. This video makes me want to get a Grom but the Navi will probably be better for me. Thank you so very much for explaining everything and comparing.
Glad it helped!
I'm with you too. The only bike I've rode was a bicycle. 😂 but looking into either the grom or navi. Just something around town. The highest I'll need to go where I live is just 50mph.
Got my Navi last summer after a 3 week wait. The dealer says he's sold a bunch and though I don't doubt it, why am I the only one I've seen on the road? That aside, the Navi is a fine "grocery getter." At 110cc, riding in town doesn't shortchange it's potential as might be the case with a Grom. Still, the only way out of town is by freeway and neither bike is allowed. Quite honestly, at 70, I've had my share of 2 wheel adventures and the Navi fills a purpose of keeping my basic skills refreshed and I hope a little more aware of other riders when I'm in the cage without the expense and weight of anything larger. Plus there's always a place to park at the casino...LOL.
I picked up a Navi last year and have loved it. Definitely the most fun I’ve had on a bike under $2.5k brand new. My wife is practically glued to it lol! I recently picked up a 2020 Grom for myself. They are definitely different bikes, but so much fun. Thanks for the video🤘🏻
They're both so fun, you're not wrong! Smiles per dollar is off the charts. I have no regrets with either bike, but my wife doesn't ride and I don't use my Navi much anymore, so keeping the Grom, selling the Navi.
Grabbing the navi for daily and uber/doordash delivery. I live in a big city with alot of lights so no need for a grom because I won't be doing a ton of expressways
Navi is perfect for Doordash! Only downside is the gas tank size, but if you’re doing less than 75 or 80 miles a session should be more than good.
It’s the only reason I got the Navi.For the price and fuel economy, can’t beat it for UE/DD
Best option for that
I think I would want the navi over the grom. I feel like both bikes are for counting and the navi has a big storage compartment. Also for 5-800 more then a grom you can get a cbr 300 that makes more sense to me then a grom but that's just how I feel about Thea's mini bikes.
Both!
Navi then grom!
Won't ever give up my Navi.
Making a Navi Touring.
I hope they make an upgrade kit.
Love to see a 150cc Navi
Scootercycle!
Navi Nation!
Pick my Navi up tomorrow. Can’t wait
Be careful you will love this little bike, she's got personality.
Navi: Good:Low cost, automatic, unlike all scooters rear brake is at your right foot just like every motorcycles, no chain adjustments/maintenance, low tech so easy trouble shooting, smart trunk.
The Bad: Need some warm up, low power, small tank (very small), no led anywhere, will need carb adjustments cause they often run rich from the factory, also rejet because of your elevation where you live. So if you travel from 4,000ft and ride to sea level you will be running lean af 🤣
Grom, the good: good power, 5 speed, good brakes, easy to find tires, lots of aftermarket out there, big tank, led almost everywhere, great gauge cluster, fuel injected so you start it and ride away.
The bad: it has a chain so yes maintenance (get TST chain adjusters), some have a false neutral issue when shifting from first to second or trying to find neutral, no trunk/storage, no center stand (T-Rex sells one).
Personally, I was going for the Navi, then I changed my mind to get again a Grom.
Would I love to own both, yes I would.
My first mods would be; grips, T14 front sprocket, chain adjuster, rear luggage rack with givi Monokey plate, LED turn signals. After what ever makes the bike more useful for my needs, no exhaust system needed really
That's a great summary. I had some finicky real rich carb issues when I first got my Navi, but like you said, it's an easy and known thing to troubleshoot and adjust! Both have some great pros.
@@SpencerDesmarais that's why I would love to own both. Some days I just want to twist the throttle and go not having to change gears. The Navi is a cool runabout, useful. The Grom is a jack of all trades, fun, capable, great range so pretty good for long trips. Crazy saying that about a 125 but yeah, with this new gen of the Grom I could see my self do major roadtrips. Something I wouldn't have done with my 2014. First of the seat is a lot better than the first gen, 5 speed helps to keep your cruising speed.
My wife knows I want both... She's nervous when I go look at bikes lately 🤣
0:04 great review; helpful information.
I got the Navi, because, and I may get some stink eyes for saying it, but the Grom seems like it is trying to be both a small city bike, and a highway bike if needed, but it does neither as well, as the Navi does as a city bike, or anything 250 or above would do as a highway bike. It IS an amazing little minimoto just for the fact that it can technically do damn near anything if you needed it to. But zooming the Navi around the city, and 50 mph or less roads is just a freaking blast. And not having to shift in city traffic is wonderful. Consider the Grom is more than twice the price, and I could literally go to my local dealership today, buy a used low mile year old Royal Enfield 600 with a warranty that they traded in for $3500. For less than six grand I can have a city bike that is fun as shit and tears up the city, and a highway bike that is larger and can effortlessly cruise at highway speeds and above. I'd rather spend the little bit of extra money to have the best of both worlds properly.
exactly the video which i am looking for. thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
If you need basic transportation for much less money the Navi is a no brainer.
I see a late 70's/early 80's Honda Comstar wheel on the right. It's not a CX-500 because the chain adjuster rules out a shaft drive. Is it a CM-400? Hondamatic?
Good eye. That would be a 1981 CB750C DOHC. Someday I'll get videos up on the rest of my bikes!
Tripped me out realizing you were cruising around near WSU.
Go Cougs!
The Navi hurts my A** if I ride it over 30 minutes. But I love my Navi . ❤
my sit down RR Pro electric scooter has bigger wheels than a Navi?
Thanks for the great comparison video. Can you tell me there you purchased the body panels for the Grom? Thanks!
Sure thing, Babbitts online. www.babbittsonline.com/oemparts/l/hon/624c548287a8660f304c03c5/2023-grom125-ac-parts
List of the exact parts is at the very very end of this video: ruclips.net/video/sSLgMuQUYRI/видео.html
@@SpencerDesmarais awesome. Thank you!
I work 13 miles from my home do you think the navi would be okay for daily commute or the grom would be more optimal option?
Grom all the way
If you were 6'2" & 350 pounds, which one would you buy? Can you even ride one of these @ 350lbs?
You can ride them, but it'd be above honda's specified weight limits. My thought would be to look more towards the scooter-ish segment, like an ADV150 of PCX150 as I think those weight limits are closer to 400lbs and they have a bit bigger engines. The ADV150 is freaking sweet, in my opinion, and is only a little more than a new Grom ABS.
The suspension and acceleration on a Grom or Navi at 350lbs wouldn't make for a very fun driving experience, I wouldn't think. That could be fixed with replacing suspension and adjusting weights (Navi) or gearing (Grom) in exchange for top speed.
If you want to sale your white plastic I'd be interested for my 2022 Grom thanks.
i'm a complete beginner. does the navi make more sense since it's less powerful?
I wouldn't focus on the power in making your decision. Can you drive a manual stick shift car? If so, I'd maybe say go with the Grom, if not maybe go with the Navi and just get used to riding and balancing before adding in any kind of shifting. Really you can't go wrong with either, they're both VERY beginner friendly.
@@SpencerDesmarais thanks i do drive a stick shift car (scion xb) almost every day. if i'm being honest, i'm just trying to be as cautious as possible entering into this. i know the easy answer to that is to not ride at all but trying to weigh all my options
If you need a motorcycle license for both, just get the grom. Then grab a ruckus!
Is it possible to find a Honda grom for sale under 3k or na😊
You'd have to look really, really hard. It's wild how well they hold their value on the used market!
@@SpencerDesmarais damn near impossible in illinios unfortunately all over 3 dhoot I got 2800 hundred to blow and looking Navi looking more afordable by the minute
MONKEY BRAAAAAAAAP
Even though i want a navi for recreation i feel that the grom is just a safer option for the money and better brakes system
Grom all day If you want to ride a bike. Nothing wrong with the Navi but it’s a scooter not a motorcycle.
I would go for the Navi, much better value imo, the Grom engine is a horrid gutless thing and the suspension came straight of a pogo stick plus the price is crazy for such a gutless/funless little bike that requires an expensive suspension upgrade the day you buy one.
I'm 6ft and 280lbs. Hurt my feelings when you called 230 "heavier" lol. Guess I'm getting to the gym. XD
i went navi as have a ruckus. no shifting and loud a.. muffler grom (goofy kids all put them on) for me.
Over the years the gram seems to be morphing into something else. For 2023, the gas tank is so bulbous that the bike looks like it's straight out of a cartoon!
At some point your just too large for a mini moto ,unless your camping or at the track.
Ps put a APPLE TAG ON YOUR BIKE ….TAKE OUT THE CHIRPING CHIP ……IN CASE OF BAD FOLKS
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Not even comparable. One is double the cost, ones automatic, ones cheap everything lol. New rider or just want a budget pos get a navi. Want to have fun and more build quality with deeper pockets obviously you go grom.
Hey bud, that's a comparison, you just compared them yourself ;) You pointed out some of the differences, but yeah, they're different bikes and clearly built to different price points. But they're both sub $5,000, both are beginner oriented, both have low seat heights, both have sub 125cc engines, both are minimoto hondas, both have a mod scene, both have cheap aftermarket parts. All things that were discussed in the video.. There are a lot of people cross shopping a Navi while looking at a Grom, Monkey, or Super Cub. Also, sorry you feel like your Navi is a POS, I happen to quite like mine and have been happy with the price to quality ratio, I knew what I was getting when I bought it. Thanks for watching though!
@@SpencerDesmarais Navi is a pos but I love it haha. I have one as well. just built cheap but that's why its so affordable. The perfect in between is the trail 125 tho impossible to find. hoping the DAX makes its way over here sooner than later. would be a LARGE market here in the US.
@@resatchel4389 You have a negative way of speaking about it that is very off putting. I'm sure everyone reading your comments feel the same about it. You could have kept the "POS" comments to your self and had a more objective opinion about it. But you definitely chose to be negative. SMH
@@Tobirama_isHimju I own on of thoes POS. That is the reason I bought it. Because it is a cheap POS. I find myself riding that POS more than my other 3 bikes.
just wanna say about the Navi exhausts is in a great position to remove the rear wheel. i am now on my 4th rear tire at 8000 miles and swapped my front at 6000 miles . however, the Navi is kind of a pos so stay with the Grom . the only reason I'm still riding it is to see if i can actually kill the thing but it still runs like a Honda
I have owned both. I think the grom is more fun, it's faster and working the transmission opens up the things you can do on it.
The navi has its upsides also, its the easiest bike I have ever ridden. It's layed back and really cheap. Definitely worth its price. It's also more practical with a centstand and storage and being automatic.
I would say get the grom if all you care about is fun. And the navi if you want something you could daily or low risk to just try a motercycle.
Neither really for US roads. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere. These bikes are dangerous for the roads near me.