I felt similar. Then I got this exact Rolex and let me tell you - if someone offered me 2 black bays for it I’d say “I’ll tell the jokes here mate!” The myth is only exceeded by the watch itself. Love the thing - ok maybe not the clasp, it’s fucking shite 😂 oh if anyone wants to sell me a modern glide lock hit me up lol
@@GabrielTan1980 This might have to be the way to go. I was lucky to get a Sub Date 41 from AD... a month later I'm craving for a splash of color... like in the Black Bay. Might pick one up and then maybe get rid of my least favorite... would it be the Sub? Don't know yet
I think the BB58 serves a purpose. It gets you the vintage sub look and feel without being a knockoff, and gets you a new modern watch you can wear anywhere, bang around, and not worry about.
I own this 14060 Sub. It is a bit pedestrian in design with no date and only two lines of text, but I have learned to appreciate the simplicity and now if I look at a 4 line Sub with a cyclops date, it looks too busy and ostentatious in comparison. Kind of like when you initially have sugar in your coffee and then quit sugar, you will find sugar is too sweet and ruins the flavor of your coffee. The 14060 is the purists' Sub. It's utilitarian and functional, industrial. A tool watch to the core but that's what makes it appealing. I also love the 39.5mm size wearability. You throw it on the wrist and forget it's there. It's not designed to be a fashion statement like the Hulk or the new super cased Subs' so you can easily wear it as your 'one watch' from board shorts to boardroom. It has tritium lume which will age to that desirable custard patina. I do like the 58 and it has similar design DNA but it's a completely different watch if you scrutinise it properly. The lume plots are bigger, it has 4 lines of text, gilt dial & bezel, snowflake hands etc. The new smaller size is perfect. And at half the price of the Sub it's a bargain! I've actually put my name down on a wait list for it. For me it's not about buying a Tudor because you can't afford a Rolex. I have 4 Rolexes. I just love both brands uniquely for their own design and heritage. There are some historical accolades which Tudor achieved before Rolex which ignorant people have no idea about. If you want to argue the point, just research Tudor British North Greenland Expedition. This Tudor watch preceeded the Rolex Explorer and actually had a 3, 6, 9 dial variant. Where as the Rolex purportedly worn to summit Mt Everest was more like an Oyster Perpetual.
I like these positive videos more than the rants that tell watch manufacturers how to fix their own models. Glad you balance this channel with your content.👍
To me the Tudor just takes the cake here. I feel the applied indices conform better to the watch’s aesthetic and that the overall color palate is just more cohesive. The Tudor feels alive, whereas, in contrast, I feel this generation of Submariner comes off a little more stark/cold. Perhaps it’s the photography with the marble counter; I know the watch reacts to its environment and assumes the colors that surround it; either way, my personal taste has always gravitated to the submariners with painted indices! Lovely overview either way!
Had both watches in consideration and bought the 14060. Almost payed the double of the BB58 but when I tryed it on at the AD it didn‘t gave me the same feeling as the 14060 did. So a pure personal decision here.. both are great!
I love my 14060, the dial is beautiful with only two lines of text, the dimensions are just right and it has the perfect vintage look. I picked mine up for 3800€ in 2014, they have gone up in value "a bit" from that.
These were the same two I evaluated when looking for a nicer dive watch. While I ended up choosing a 14060 I could easily see why someone would pocket the difference and choose the Black Bay. Both terrific watches though I wish the Tudor was less slab sided. Word to the wise, most 90's 14060s patina well but the hands are almost always a shade or two lighter than the dial which bothers some, myself included.
Problem with the current Submariner is the waiting time - if one even gets on a list at all. The vintage ones cost more than the new model. If one does get on a list and gets one within say two years, it will probably have gone up by £1000 or even more.
tudor for the win. i love rolex, as the rolex explorer is my favourite watch of all time, but for the submariner i preferred the vintage ones, which look just like the tudor! and it feels more authentica than a homage watch as.... well tudor and rolex are basically the same company
“The Submariner has been seen on serious watch enthusiasts...and totally oblivious fanboys who just want to own the “Rolex”!” Are you talking about Adrian?? 😂
Nice to see a comparison of the BB 58 to the older 14060. If you can come up with the extra money and don't mind pre-owned vs new, 14060 over a the BB58 any day.
I'm a one-per-brand idiot savant and I've come to the conclusion that the 5513 I've wanted for years is not worth a trip through the minefield that is vintage Rolex. The 14060 unfortunately just doesn't do it for me the way the 5513 does. That being said I opted for the gorgeous 39mm MKII dial Explorer I as the only Rolex I'll ever need. This makes the BB58 the perfect Tudor for my collection as well as a nice modern value-packed counterpart to the 5513. The itch is thus strategically scratched.
Me too I sold 14060 tritium in 1998 to brother of my wife big mistake. Now I bought it back in Jan 2021 I happy it still look nice but I pay more2times.
In Nov 2021 I bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue on a bracelet to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've cherished for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, very well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and aluminium bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear. Although not quite up there with the Rolex in the absolute quality stakes - but why should it when it's barely 35% of a Sub's retail price - go to an AD and try one on. An in-house COSC certified movement, 70 hrs power reserve.... you won't be disappointed. Forget about the faux rivets - you cannot see them when wearing the watch and they are a cool idiosyncrasy.
I own both but prefer the Rolex. The BB58 is the best modern Tudor in my opinion. I used to have the BB Steel and Gold but hated the bulky thick case so much that I sold it after a couple of months and got the BB58. Tudor really should produce more variants in the BB58 case size.
I thought this video was a bit misleading. It was comparing an older model Rolex used to a new BB58 but never made any mention of this being an older discontinued Rolex model. Why not mention this is an older model, why not compare used 58 to used Rolex pricing, why not mention the 114060? I like your videos and did consider a 14060 before buying my BB. But one of the things I considered was that this was a discontinued model, the last of the traditional non ceramic bezels(a big buying point IMO). I thought rather than just making a quick reference to today's cases you could have done a better description of what this used Rolex is and that your comparing used collectible to new in the box. Just some feedback form a regular watcher.
I would choose bb58 over my 116610ln all day. Prob not over the 14060m though. I do prefer owning both over just a 14060m, which would be the only other option I'd consider.
Idk I like the black bay it kinda looks like a 5510 but just what it would look like today or modernized. I think it’s super cool. Personally i would go with the submariner though I like how it doesn’t have a maxi dial and I’m a big fan of no date subs. I’m saving up for a submariner from 2002 no date with box and papers in outstanding condition because my birth year is 2002.
Fan favorite rivets? General consensus is 👎🏼 on the rivets... I have this watch and swapped out for an oyster. Much better. It also started to run sporadically after 4 weeks. 🤷🏻♂️ Cool comparo!
Everything on that Sub (the same model I use daily) is real and functional. That BB has a copy of the original oyster bracelet of the sub but the stud and outer plate on the links are for show only and serve no purpose other than show, and the crown is not protected as the Sub’s is with its crown-guard These two things for me make the Sub more authentic and practical. BB is nice but it just isn’t a Sub.
Something seemed off in this one. Hope you’re doing well Anna, always look forward to your segments. Oh, the watches - neither, I choose the Rolex Explorer 114270.
Slab sided Tudor kinda turns me off. Sub has perfect proportions and overall case design. However they command an absurd price. Hard pass for both for different reasons tho.
"fan favourite rivet bracelet" - not really, as many people are put off by the rivet bracelet as those who love it - myself included, in fact I wouldn't buy a BB because of this currently.
It has to be the Tudor purely because you can buy a new one. I dont understand why you would pay twice much for an old Rolex. One thing lockdown has taught me is that brand names are worthless. You want the feel of a new five digit Rolex, get a Ginault.
maybe those "cool guys" like the actors etc also were oblivious fan boys who didnt know much about rolex ?? just becaseu they have made it as actors lol ? doesnt make them a better person
You forgot to mention that now days rolex has essentially ZERO to do with tudor other than being owned by the same company. The two companies are completely separate and those who think rolex does anything with tudor is dead wrong.
And... they are both available in the Theo and Harris watch shop. WOW!!! I can't believe you guys did a review of watches that you are also selling in your shop! :-D JK! Love your reviews, keep them coming.
Heart says Tudor, Insecurties says Rolex ;)
Get both :)
I felt similar. Then I got this exact Rolex and let me tell you - if someone offered me 2 black bays for it I’d say “I’ll tell the jokes here mate!” The myth is only exceeded by the watch itself. Love the thing - ok maybe not the clasp, it’s fucking shite 😂 oh if anyone wants to sell me a modern glide lock hit me up lol
@@GabrielTan1980 This might have to be the way to go. I was lucky to get a Sub Date 41 from AD... a month later I'm craving for a splash of color... like in the Black Bay. Might pick one up and then maybe get rid of my least favorite... would it be the Sub? Don't know yet
FELT this
Lol excellent.
I’m in the minority when I say I’ll take the Tudor over the Rolex.
I would also take the Tudor.
That was my choice.
Same here. BB58 for me...
only problem for me is its so hard to get my hard on one, the waiting list is almost as long as rolex's
Had both. Keep the Tudor
I think the BB58 serves a purpose. It gets you the vintage sub look and feel without being a knockoff, and gets you a new modern watch you can wear anywhere, bang around, and not worry about.
I own this 14060 Sub. It is a bit pedestrian in design with no date and only two lines of text, but I have learned to appreciate the simplicity and now if I look at a 4 line Sub with a cyclops date, it looks too busy and ostentatious in comparison. Kind of like when you initially have sugar in your coffee and then quit sugar, you will find sugar is too sweet and ruins the flavor of your coffee. The 14060 is the purists' Sub. It's utilitarian and functional, industrial. A tool watch to the core but that's what makes it appealing. I also love the 39.5mm size wearability. You throw it on the wrist and forget it's there. It's not designed to be a fashion statement like the Hulk or the new super cased Subs' so you can easily wear it as your 'one watch' from board shorts to boardroom. It has tritium lume which will age to that desirable custard patina. I do like the 58 and it has similar design DNA but it's a completely different watch if you scrutinise it properly. The lume plots are bigger, it has 4 lines of text, gilt dial & bezel, snowflake hands etc. The new smaller size is perfect. And at half the price of the Sub it's a bargain! I've actually put my name down on a wait list for it. For me it's not about buying a Tudor because you can't afford a Rolex. I have 4 Rolexes. I just love both brands uniquely for their own design and heritage. There are some historical accolades which Tudor achieved before Rolex which ignorant people have no idea about. If you want to argue the point, just research Tudor British North Greenland Expedition. This Tudor watch preceeded the Rolex Explorer and actually had a 3, 6, 9 dial variant. Where as the Rolex purportedly worn to summit Mt Everest was more like an Oyster Perpetual.
14060m 4 LINER is one of my favorite rolex pieces ever released.
I like these positive videos more than the rants that tell watch manufacturers how to fix their own models. Glad you balance this channel with your content.👍
To say the old clasps are high quality is somewhat disingenuous
To me the Tudor just takes the cake here. I feel the applied indices conform better to the watch’s aesthetic and that the overall color palate is just more cohesive. The Tudor feels alive, whereas, in contrast, I feel this generation of Submariner comes off a little more stark/cold. Perhaps it’s the photography with the marble counter; I know the watch reacts to its environment and assumes the colors that surround it; either way, my personal taste has always gravitated to the submariners with painted indices! Lovely overview either way!
Had both watches in consideration and bought the 14060. Almost payed the double of the BB58 but when I tryed it on at the AD it didn‘t gave me the same feeling as the 14060 did. So a pure personal decision here.. both are great!
A BB58 with a Harrods green bezel or white dots would be cool and clean.
My 58 took over the daily role of my 5513 after many decades of service. It was the closest thing available at any price point.
I love my 14060, the dial is beautiful with only two lines of text, the dimensions are just right and it has the perfect vintage look. I picked mine up for 3800€ in 2014, they have gone up in value "a bit" from that.
What? Thats a steel! Enjoy it :)
@@timur9429 steal
@@sergezerkin pun intended bruh
So much easier to listen to the Anna videos. Christian is great too but these just have a different more relaxed vibe.
I think the Rolex just looks a bit ....boring. The BB58 has that nice and warm color that I love a lot more.
I've got the BB58, it definitely scratched the submariner itch for me
Same here
Ditto
Same
These were the same two I evaluated when looking for a nicer dive watch. While I ended up choosing a 14060 I could easily see why someone would pocket the difference and choose the Black Bay. Both terrific watches though I wish the Tudor was less slab sided.
Word to the wise, most 90's 14060s patina well but the hands are almost always a shade or two lighter than the dial which bothers some, myself included.
Problem with the current Submariner is the waiting time - if one even gets on a list at all. The vintage ones cost more than the new model. If one does get on a list and gets one within say two years, it will probably have gone up by £1000 or even more.
I own a BB58 and would pick it over 14060 any day. Longer power reserve, gilt dial and just looks the business.
tudor for the win. i love rolex, as the rolex explorer is my favourite watch of all time, but for the submariner i preferred the vintage ones, which look just like the tudor! and it feels more authentica than a homage watch as.... well tudor and rolex are basically the same company
Can't go wrong with both models. But still, my heart leans towards the 14060.
The BB doesn't even come close once you've tried both on... And it's also an inferior watch in many ways.
“The Submariner has been seen on serious watch enthusiasts...and totally oblivious fanboys who just want to own the “Rolex”!” Are you talking about Adrian?? 😂
A from b & j ??
Absolutely love my 58! Took me FOREVER to get one from the shops at riverside but it's such a great daily driver. Vintage flair, modern build.
Nice to see a comparison of the BB 58 to the older 14060. If you can come up with the extra money and don't mind pre-owned vs new, 14060 over a the BB58 any day.
I'm a one-per-brand idiot savant and I've come to the conclusion that the 5513 I've wanted for years is not worth a trip through the minefield that is vintage Rolex. The 14060 unfortunately just doesn't do it for me the way the 5513 does. That being said I opted for the gorgeous 39mm MKII dial Explorer I as the only Rolex I'll ever need. This makes the BB58 the perfect Tudor for my collection as well as a nice modern value-packed counterpart to the 5513. The itch is thus strategically scratched.
Sold my 14060m two-liner for a 114060. Big mistake. I miss those classic proportions!
Me too I sold 14060 tritium in 1998 to brother of
my wife big mistake. Now I bought it back in Jan 2021 I happy it still look nice but I pay more2times.
Best model comparisons in my opinion, thank you for this one 👏🏻
In Nov 2021 I bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue on a bracelet to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've cherished for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, very well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and aluminium bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear. Although not quite up there with the Rolex in the absolute quality stakes - but why should it when it's barely 35% of a Sub's retail price - go to an AD and try one on. An in-house COSC certified movement, 70 hrs power reserve.... you won't be disappointed. Forget about the faux rivets - you cannot see them when wearing the watch and they are a cool idiosyncrasy.
Tudor is the next big thing I feel they will hold value and also go up with time
Half a decade ? 1:45
Yeah, so much happened in 5 years!
Great presentation Anna. One correction, however. You state that the 14060 "preceded the famous 5513 model". Would it not be the other way around?
I miss Anna making videos
I own both but prefer the Rolex. The BB58 is the best modern Tudor in my opinion. I used to have the BB Steel and Gold but hated the bulky thick case so much that I sold it after a couple of months and got the BB58. Tudor really should produce more variants in the BB58 case size.
Anna Mondays are the best! Even better would be adding Anna Tuesday's/Wednesday's/Thursday's/Friday's/Saturday's & Sunday's........too much?lol
Where's the german accent Jenni?
That collab would be insane !
"fan favourite" rivet bracelet
fan favorite "rivet" bracelet
I think the clasp is the real star there
Can you do a video of Tudor GMT vs Rolex GMT?
Love the BB58, I am going to save up for one.
I sold my 1999 Sub that I have owned since new today. I am pretty sure this Black Bay is its replacement 😊
Very nice review! Which one of the watches did you experience as the smaller one?
Came for Anna, stayed for Anna.
The 14060 Rolex logo is perfection. Just got my bb58 gilt and I absolutely love it ❤️
I would suggest that the BB58 could be worn by myself and my wife, it is a very versatile watch, and one of my favourites.
I thought this video was a bit misleading. It was comparing an older model Rolex used to a new BB58 but never made any mention of this being an older discontinued Rolex model. Why not mention this is an older model, why not compare used 58 to used Rolex pricing, why not mention the 114060? I like your videos and did consider a 14060 before buying my BB. But one of the things I considered was that this was a discontinued model, the last of the traditional non ceramic bezels(a big buying point IMO). I thought rather than just making a quick reference to today's cases you could have done a better description of what this used Rolex is and that your comparing used collectible to new in the box. Just some feedback form a regular watcher.
Does the 14060m potential wear smaller or the same due to similar sized insert measurements? The chunky teeth of bezel contribute to this
I would choose bb58 over my 116610ln all day. Prob not over the 14060m though. I do prefer owning both over just a 14060m, which would be the only other option I'd consider.
The BB58 is superb!
Idk I like the black bay it kinda looks like a 5510 but just what it would look like today or modernized. I think it’s super cool. Personally i would go with the submariner though I like how it doesn’t have a maxi dial and I’m a big fan of no date subs. I’m saving up for a submariner from 2002 no date with box and papers in outstanding condition because my birth year is 2002.
Have this Tudor on the way, paired with a Rubber B black/cream strap...cannot wait!
I'd take the Tudor every time, much much nicer
Just got a BB 58 today. Love it!
Fan favorite rivets? General consensus is 👎🏼 on the rivets... I have this watch and swapped out for an oyster. Much better. It also started to run sporadically after 4 weeks. 🤷🏻♂️ Cool comparo!
I really enjoyed my my Tudor submariner but the new submariner is my grail watch! Thanks Anna for fun video!
Amazing video! 👍👍👍 Bb58 is hot! I understand why there is a waitinglist for this..
Litterally had no idea how to react when a suit retailer pointed out my Tudor BB58. Brand is getting a lot of attention these days.
Everything on that Sub (the same model I use daily) is real and functional. That BB has a copy of the original oyster bracelet of the sub but the stud and outer plate on the links are for show only and serve no purpose other than show, and the crown is not protected as the Sub’s is with its crown-guard These two things for me make the Sub more authentic and practical. BB is nice but it just isn’t a Sub.
Thanks Anna! Great presentation. Love the 14060!
Something seemed off in this one. Hope you’re doing well Anna, always look forward to your segments. Oh, the watches - neither, I choose the Rolex Explorer 114270.
I like both. I want a bb58 myself.
Slab sided Tudor kinda turns me off. Sub has perfect proportions and overall case design. However they command an absurd price. Hard pass for both for different reasons tho.
BB58 owner here. This is a tough one. I’m a big fan of the Tudor but the 14060 is enticing. 🤔
Fantastic video!! T&H keeping me from going insane in lockdown, thank you
Please make it clear at the start that this is the THEEEE-o and Harris channel. Had to double check myself this time
The 14060 on a strap is perfection.
Thanks for the great video, Anna.
Tudor Black Bay S&G all day.
I love both🤷🏻♂️ and I would take both over the 114060.
Theo favorite watch is the one that’s in inventory for sale.
i do want and can buy watches overseas. but the taxes!!! 17% is too much (in my region).
Both are my dream pieces..!
Great presentation Anna
"fan favourite rivet bracelet" - not really, as many people are put off by the rivet bracelet as those who love it - myself included, in fact I wouldn't buy a BB because of this currently.
It has to be the Tudor purely because you can buy a new one. I dont understand why you would pay twice much for an old Rolex. One thing lockdown has taught me is that brand names are worthless. You want the feel of a new five digit Rolex, get a Ginault.
Nice job
Great video! Still waiting for the dynamic duo to bring out videos together again.
Like when Anna does the videos 👍🔥
Do what I did. Buy both. It was painful on the bank account for a few months. However, that passes with...time. lol
BB58: Good quality but also you get it more easily
Waiting on a BB 58 GMT
I would buy it in a heartbeat👍
First watch was a 14060 but the warmth of the BB58 really draws me to it. Beautiful movement and proportions.
Xxx vs xxx for me is a comparison. Yet 3/4th of this video is specs only :(
maybe those "cool guys" like the actors etc also were oblivious fan boys who didnt know much about rolex ?? just becaseu they have made it as actors lol ? doesnt make them a better person
I have a Tudor GMT which I love but I do not like the fake rivets 😬
what about the thickness?
@@nk2ti it's chunky yeah but I kind of like the thickness. It's manly!
The BB58 is what the Sub once was.
The Swatch with the Cats logo face didn't work. That's ok, neither did the film.
BB58 in my opinion is better value for the money.
Tudor 🔥🥃
Half a century you mean ? Xx
Get the new one with warranty and half the price if you are going to keep forever
No contest obviously lol
Is it normal to have diver watches with misaligned bazel?
Only if it says Seiko on the dial
Did you size this Submariner yourself? 🙄
“Memories..... how will I mark them bc my watch doesn’t work.......”
Great review! Love the BB 58
Put more Cartier watches on your website I want one
You forgot to mention that now days rolex has essentially ZERO to do with tudor other than being owned by the same company. The two companies are completely separate and those who think rolex does anything with tudor is dead wrong.
Great content. love your videos. tiny piece of advice? drop the finger snapping.
if people have money to buy rolex, they buy rolex.
That „Boom Watch fam“ cringes me so fucking hard every time so I got to skip it
And... they are both available in the Theo and Harris watch shop. WOW!!! I can't believe you guys did a review of watches that you are also selling in your shop! :-D JK! Love your reviews, keep them coming.
Tudor!!! Dont like crown guard...