Rolex Submariner vs Tudor Black Bay | Watchfinder & Co.
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2017
- The Rolex Submariner needs no introduction. It's the design people sketch if asked to draw a watch. It's made by the most valuable watch brand in the world. Today, a non-date Submariner retails at £5,450, not an inconsiderable amount. But there's something else that catches the eye, something very similar: the Tudor Heritage Black Bay. At £2,630, it's less than half the price of the Rolex. It also, since 2016, has a manufacturer movement. The question is: is it better than a Rolex Submariner?
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“Today a non date submariner retails at £5k”
Well shit, I should’ve bought one 3 years ago.
Seriously prices are insane right now :(
They just aren’t worth it anymore, you should consider the new Black Bay 58 or the Seamaster
@@hathaway.1166 my favorite alternates are the SuperOcean Heritage II (which I have) and the Planet Ocean
My god the quality of the videos on this channel is unmatched
Appreciated, thank you!
yes it’s always great 👍
Around 1980 or so, I repaired Burt Lancaster's Tudor. Such a classy guy, and I was impressed that he chose such a comparatively low key watch, given his means.
Thanks for sharing, Andrew.
Pure tasteful class!
I wonder who owns his Tudor nowadays.....
Great story. Lancaster was a giant, and guys like that don’t have to wear their bank book on their wrist to impress people.
Why did Burt Lancaster sell it?
I actually prefer the Black Bay, regardless of price.
Me too
Agreed, just purchased mine
Definitely
Agreed
I prefer the Submariner’s movement and bracelet
Dude, your videos are true horology porn. Nice work.
Much appreciated!
Isse Al O lol
The voice, the blending music, the close up, and of course the intimate knowledge. A sheer work of passion
Isse Al O Exactly words what I told my wife yesterday
Yeahhhh!
People don't realize that SEAL Team One and Two used to be "issued" Tudor Submarines during Vietnam War, which they would put on a NATO type strap with compass. I'm surprised Tudor doesn't advertise this more.
Shipmate From what I recall the Rolex Sub was issued to the UK 🇬🇧 Military. The Tudor Sub was used for other militaries such as the US Navy. I think this was a strategic decision by Rolex at the time which may/may not have been part of a service agreement.
@@jakeagusta The RN had exclusive deal with rolex. Tudor serveias a loophole for Rolex to make more money while still honoring their contract.
you're surprised that Tudor does not want to be associated with the Vietnam war?
Whilst there is something romantic and James Bondesque about promoting a watch (Bulova Accutron) used by CIA spy plane reconnaissance pilots during the Cold War. The same can’t be said for promoting any watch used by ‘boots on ground’ armed forces engaged in direct military action in an actual war. Especially Vietnam, one of the most controversial, brutal and polarising Wars of the 20th century.
Very true! Just ask Mokie Martin!
However while visiting the Rolex AD in Carmel, Ca., a year ago. I saw a Blue dial with blue bezel Rolex Submariner from 1962 made for the US Navy, for sale for $110,000, (with original box , booklet and certificates). A few weeks later, when I visited the store again, I noticed it had been sold. When I inquired as to who would have purchased it , I was told it was purchased be a member of the Brazilian Navy who had just completed a course at the US Navy post Graduate School in Monterey. He bought it as a graduation present to himself.
His classmate bought a mint 1968 Rolex Submariner prototype ( non Comex) with a helium escape valve, for $130,000.
I guess the Brazilian Navy pays well! Lol
Love the macro comparisons. Interesting to see the tiny imperfections in 'Oyster Perpetual' on the Rolex.
I am just so deeply in love with the black and gold Tudor Black Bay.
It's genius how you place the camera, cards, and other props around the desk. It really adds a lot to the scene.
One of the finest comparison in the entire watch video world I have been watching for past 5 years constantly.
Thank you!
This is not just a watch comparison... this is a work of art! Phenomenal video, as always!
As a black bay owner (with rose and without date my personally choice) this is the review I have been waiting for
Thank you, it's great to see that you enjoyed it.
Couldn't agree more... true work of art
Damn. The very sentence that made me forget about buying Tudor and made me saving a bit more for Omega Seamaster.
Submariner is, at this moment at least, out of my league, due to its price.
I'll be 95 in 50 years...if I'm still alive. 🙃
I had the BB but sold it cause I realized I tried to go cheap and instead of getting a sub. I felt incomplete. Less worthy. Like I went the omega route instead of the real deal. Nothing went right for me. Wife left me. Kids didn’t want to talk to me. Fired from my job at Best Buy. I saved and bought a Rolex sub and my life changed. I re-married. Had newer more better kids. Got a real job as a watch salesman at Tourneau. I had a hop to my step. I walked on the sunnier side of the street. Rolex sub = life changing.
Andy Kaufman...that you?
jim LEHMN Because an Omega isn't the real deal? Dear oh dear. You'll have Jacques Cousteau turning in his Tomb with crass remarks like that.
Imagine what kind of life you'd have if you'd stumped up the extra cash for a Sea Dweller?
jim LEHMN lol newer and better kids
bruh the rolex you bought was fake...youre living in a simulation!!!!!
God damn, your lighting is on point!!
That is all
first thing I noticed when I opened this video. I literally said "damn! what kinda camera is he using?"
My new fave watch channel. Very nicely paced quality content. Yes it’s from a shop but then so many other watch channels are now flogging pieces that it makes no difference. The lack of opining and flexing is refreshing and the macro shots in these videos...and this one in particular, are absolutely superb. Thank you.
This was the video that helped me fall for the brand Tudor. I now have owned 9 watches ranging from current watches to vintage. I currently have 6 they are great watches and, I really enjoy them. I did have the watch in this video for a little over a year but ended up using it fund a Black bay 58 which I still enjoy. Thanks Watchfinder and Co for this video.
"The operation of the Rolex's glidelock clasp makes the Tudor's clasp, although still good, seem positively agricultural"
I disagree the clasp on the Tudor is much smoother.
GLEN ROBERTS. Kind sir, do you have a Rolex Sub?
Tudor clasp is very ahead of the pre ceramic sub bracelet.
I like the Tudor better.
likewise.
Well, it's no Rolex ;-)
rolex should add some color!
Teromi the new sea dweller got plenty!
Me too, like it better
I am addicted to this videos. I find them to be perfect because I know close to nothing about watches, yet I know a lot about cars. Your automotive metaphores are like subtitles for me, PLEASE keep them coming.
Great video as always,I enjoyed seeing the small details and refinements pointed out
Tudor is my go to Daily, I do wear my Rolex and Omega but my Tudor... My Tudor is my favorite
Purchased the Tudor BB after this amazing well detailed review , thank you for the time and effort you put into this video , I haven’t taken it off for two weeks since purchase and can’t stop staring at it , beautiful.
BB58 looks exactly like the Rolex Submariner from late 50's and early 60s.
Quality of video is amazing.Love the reflection on the glass.
That Tudor is so much more handsome looking than its wealthier Rolex sibling
Rolex videos have been done to death but you presented some wonderful history which others miss. Love it.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
That Tudor is next on my list. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just ticks all the boxes for me in what I'm looking for in a casual tool watch for weekend wear.
Fantastic video! Found a channel to binge on this afternoon.
So glad I found your channel.
Great information, great production and all in a very pedagogic package. Thank you.
finally someone who can review watches with absolute class and knowledge, Thank you
This was a fantastic review. So poetic - which is the most appropriate way to appreciate these watches. More please
Thank you, more on the way!
Watchfinder & Co.
Great 👍🏽
Looking forward to it
Wonderful as usual, the macro shots were 😛😛😛😛😛😛
The Tudor is remarkable at that price, but the proportions, the movement and finish on the Rolex are just on a different level, but then again so is the price.
If I could afford one, the no date Sub would definitely be in my collection
Thanks, we hope you liked them! Trying to listen to feedback and improve, so hopefully we're getting better. The Rolex movement is really something-shame they don't have a sapphire caseback actually
The lugs on the Sub are too wide for the bracelet. The crown guards ruin the classic lines and script on the dial is sub-par. For what they are charging it should be a much better watch. Sadly- it is not. Even the box that Rolex gives you is an offensive green color and very cheaply made. The Tudor on the other hand has a superior dial, clean crown with no lugs, it even has a smoother winding action than the Sub. The gilt dial with the racetrack markers set it apart from everybody else. It also comes in a beautiful piano black box that looks premium. The clear winner is the Tudor. Oh...and it's even made by Rolex.
mac daddy very well said.
The Sub is simply not worth the paper that Rolex is charging. If it were gold then maybe, but for a steel watch with a mediocre dial and horrible box...it's just not worth it. There are much better watches out there for half the price.
mac daddy correct. The sub is nothing special. And there are so many out there..10s of thousends. For me its an overpriced mass markt product..
So good. Detailed and thorough.
One of the best reviews I have seen in a long time. Really well done!
My god, how beautiful the BB is. Just stunning to watch (and to wear). GREAT vid again.
Thank you!
I love the removed caseback comparison! Nice work 🎉
I have both, Sub is better made but BB has more character, so I wear it more often.
Same for me .
I totally agree...the BB is more of like my daily driver and love switching the straps.
I turned 30 last Wednesday. I got a Tudor Heritage Black Bay, on the aged leather strap, as a gift. It is outstanding, and will be and heirloom for me later in life. Could I have said I wanted a Rolex? Yes, but why not get something a bit more out of the ordinary. I get the same quality watch, at half the cost, and that has a unique flair to itself, and doesn't just look like "another Rolex"
i like how he had the second hand on the watches opposite to show how they are similar
Love your videos. Could you please do a review on a Grand Seiko Hi-Beat piece? Would love to see that! Thank you!
What an amazing review, narration, story and passionate yet objective overview. Great work.
Hi @watchfinder, I love the tudor black bay 58 so much. But I also love the omega seamaster 300 (the one similar to spectre, not the 300m diver). Would you kindly make a comparison of these two vintage inspired divers? Would be great to hear your thoughts =)
It looks so amazing! I really do like it but I think the bb 58 is even nicer
Amazing videos. Would love to see a Rolex GMT vs Explorer II
The lighting in your videos is just fantastic. Best lighting ive seen on any review videos ever. Your content is a gift to us all. Thank you!
Your comparisons between Rolex and Tudor have been extremely well thought out and are far beyond surface-level. Unlike most reviewers or bloggers covering this complex topic, you’re hitting on not only the specs but also the emotional connections we have for these brands.
I bought homages to both of these watches not because I don’t wanna save , but because I wanted to do an experiment. They were around the same price and I wanted to see which I ended up wearing more. I ended up wearing the heritage black bay homage more because there was just something about it that I can never pinpoint that made me like it so much more. I still wore the submariner homage a fair bit because it looks different in a good way and goes better with certain outfits but I just liked the Tudor’s casual feel so... so much more
Your videos are always such a pleasant ride through history. Thank you.
I had a tudor oyster prince (which was like a 34mm Datejust) The differences I could find were an acrylic crystal and lack of solid 18k on the 2 tone band. Other than that they seem identical.
Very creative use of the word, "agricultural!"
its all about the BB58. I absolutely love mine !
Lovely comparison. Love the way you compared the two watches....
Have you ever showed us what camera you use for these epic vids?
I really want to know after watching ur reviews over the years...btw cool vintage feel of the film just like the bb58.
Thanks for an awesome review of these two icons. If i'am honest, the design of the Tudor wins my heart. It could be that the submariner design has been copied so frequently, that it looses a little of it's attraction for me. The quality is obvious, for both watches.
“...The Tudor Owner has to live in the knowledge that the Rolex Submariner simply EXISTS...”. So painfully true.
But now Tudor is the new Rolex!!!!
unless you collect and have both:)
I own both and enjoy the Tudor more to be honest!
lol
Nah. I have both and the Tudor is tge better watch imo
beautiful videos and writing. completely enjoyable and informative.
All of your videos are so impressive. Amazing work. Thank you.
131 dislikes? That's a lot of Omega Seamaster owners.
Ahahahahah, sono d'accordo!!
I don’t get this comment, what’s wrong with a Seamaster?
@@paulcribbin3036 Ma nulla, è solo uno scherzo!! it's just a joke!!
Stronzo
The new seamaster with the metas movement are still better than Tudor tho
Your videos are some of the best I have seen on RUclips - the picture quality, your voice, choice of words...just amazing. I am going to subscribe to your channel today. Keep up the great work you are doing. BTW, I purchased my first brand new Rolex Submariner Date 3-weeks ago and love it.
Thanks very much, I'm glad you're enjoying them. I hope you enjoy your new Sub!
Great video! May I ask what gear do you use for shooting? and what kind of lighting?
Thanks!
This is just such a good video. It’s not just beautifully shot, superbly soundtracked, perfectly edited and delivered with effortless brilliance (although it is all of those things). It is just about as well written as a watch video can be. Love it.
dont forget the awesome watch us chumps can afford
please do one on the rolex datejust! i absolutely love your videos and just purchased a 116200 with a batons, a black dial, and jubilee. id love to hear your take on the datejust
Should be soon hopefully.
would be amazing. waiting with baited breath
Thanks for another video !! Perfect as always!! Can you do a Grand Seiko review?
Man your video quality is so good! What camera/lens combo are you using?
Wow in love with the close ups
I have both and love them equally as individuals. The sub is like the perfect watch in all aspects, but the black bay has more charm and is a little funkier and more fun to look at. Build quality on both is tops and you can’t go wrong either way.
The Tudor is a better looking watch in my opinion.
It is an extremely classy design. Just really wish it had a date window, not that it's hard to keep up with the date especially considering it's inclusion on all modern phones. I just like it on my watch.
The hour hand is hideous. Ruins every Tudor watch.
Edit: I just tried one on at my AD and I gotta say in person the hour hand looks even worse.
Arcuz watch geeks are incredibly dramatic.
@@arcuz7862 I thought the opposite. It makes it unique. Every time I see the Mercedes hands on a Rolex I think Mercedes!.To each his own. That's why there are other brands I suppose.
@@1517the_year Too bad I'm not a 'watch geek'. I can care fuck less about wrist watches in general, I have my Submariner, I have my Nautilus and I have my G-Shock. Done. No collection, no nerding out over some ALS movements. Saying that something is objectively ugly, doesn't mean being dramatic.
What a brilliantly narrated comparison. Well done.
What a great informative video. Totally unbiased. Grand work
Amazing review 👏🏻
Masterfully done. I'm getting a Black Bay tomorrow. It's already my favourite watch of all time, and I haven't even seen it in the flesh yet.
I'm a big rolex guy, but I think I'm right with you on that Tudor Black bay
Fantastic video! Great content, information, flow, production, editing, etc.
excellent video thank you !
what about a video on the IWC Mark XVIII ''Le Petit Prince'' ?
cheers
Since when did Alan Davies start doing watch video voice overs?
I bought a Tudor model 9101 watch in 9ct gold at a car boot sale for £2:50 and sold it on eBay for £750 do not a bad little find as most people don't realise that Tudor watches are just as good as a Rolex.
Even though the Tudor is a very very nice watch, i wouldnt say they are quite as good as a Rolex.
But saying that, i would prefer to wear the Tudor.
You can go off people!
£2.50?!? damn you are lucky
Don't you mean £250
Wonderful video as always. Would an omega seamaster be an alternative to the tudor?
This is a terrific comparison video. Utterly wonderful
Unexpected Lamborghini comparison but it is so true!
saultyboi except that both are Lamborghinis.
I love the vintage style of the Tudor and stylistically like it over the more modern and aggressive looking submariner. It is more playful and easygoing and in more than one way it is a relief not to wear a Rolex.
My dady bought one NKUWAN and he loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when he went out with it.
Great video (and videography) and a relevant and well researched, albeit brief, comparison between these two icons. I will certainly keep coming back for more!
Thanks very much!
I own the Rolex I'm craving the Tudor!
same
That's a cool comment..I've just bought the Tudor, not able to afford the Rolex.
Please let me know your opinion on the Tudor Bud.
I feel like the Tudor is way better looking especially with the vintage look.
thanks brother i you to review the rolex dayjust 41 smoth bazll if you don't mind . thanks
Brilliant video and dialogue!
How about a Zenith De Luca/Daytona comparison?
I like to say "Why settle for a Daytona when you can have the real thing?" Always gets a result...
Love the Tudor! Love the vintage dial.
Great video as always!
love these videos. best watch channel on youtube
Very much appreciated, thank you.
Your content is appreciated my friend! Your comparison of the nautilus and royal oak was pure class. This level of content will take this channel (and your business) very very far.
I wonder if you'll ever do an overview of the Seiko Brightz series.. especially the SDGM001 and SDGM003. They are gorgeous!
Wow that Tudor is beautiful. I’d love one of these and a date just for the collection. Fantastic quality, thank you for what you do.
This is the review that caused me to get my Tudor S&G.
How do you like it? Based on all the pictures I can see the links seem to be completely brushed and the gold doesn't have a mirror finish. I'm really researching it right now as my next purchase ... it's just gorgeous ...
@@luigiwastaken (This is my other account). Actually, I love it. I removed the bracelet and put it on an Everest black rubber strap. It sits lower on my wrist than with the bracelet. My only issue is I dinged the gold bezel in a couple of places. :(
The bracelet is nice but I took it off the watch before actually wearing it so the bracelet is pristine.
And I wouldn’t bother with the bund strap. I had it ordered from Tudor and this watch sits WAY to high on the bund strap. I would bang it around all day if I wore it on that strap.
Hmm.... at 5:25, look at the RPR letters. They partly lack white color! That is so not acceptable.
Agreed. That's horrible to look at.
Wow, thank you for noting that. For a watch of this price and having a defective dial like that is totally unacceptable. It's actually quite embarrassing for Rolex. This is why I realized lately that the Swiss are just charging too much money for their "outstanding quality".
I'll but the Tudor for less than half for quality like this. ;-)
Roman Hamilton the dial is far from defective .
I can't stop looking at it now that you pointed it out. =(
Is that intentional? is it like that on all submariners? Doesn't look great though
Absolutely stunning photography and the narrative is simply wonderful. I adore this channel videos, please keep this amazing quality up.
Lovely watches by the way.
Superb as always. These reviews are in a different league to anyone else 👏
Always loved the sub. As a kid it was my favorite watch. When I became aware of Tudor I loved their fun and fresh designs. However when I popped in a dealer a few months back when going between both of these I had to pick the sub. Love the bb and pelagos but the sub was my first love. Great video. Definitely reminds me of how I felt when making my decision to buy the sub. 👍
Glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching.
Good thing there is a submariner available at the AD. I have been going back and forth in several ADs, to no avail. Recently, I saw both the Submariner no date and date versions, but only for display. I offered to buy both the Two-tone yellow gold 41mm Datejust with fluted bezel and jubilee bracelet AND the Submariner no date...they refused.
@@rj-yr4ql don't waste your time with these ADs, one day these watches will be available again, just have to be patient.
I like them both
Would be nice to see a review of the Breitling Superocean Heritage 2 in 42mm with mesh bracelet and how it compares to the Tudor black bay as I believe they share the same Tudor mt5612 movement. Thanks
Would you mind sharing what lens and camera set up you are shooting this video with? Agree with the others on production quality of your vids. Almost a vintage lens bokeh or just great warm lighting. What are your secrets?
I prefer Tudor, it just looks so much better. But Rolex it's king of bracelets and clasps
Best watch video I've ever seen. One thing a Rolex buyer should consider: They produce 100-tausends od watches every year and therefore one could almost call it a mass-market product, worn by many people who have no knowledge of watches, they simply want a Rolex on the wrist, many them just to show off... deside for yourself if you want to be one of them...
Agreed mate. The Tudor purchaser has actually done some research and decided to take his own path.
Another fantastic vid ! Congrats for your work, it's awesome !
Thank you for watching!
What type of video recorder are you using? Your video is awesome quality!