Tudor Monochrome VS Rolex Submariner - How close are they?

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  • @HarveyHanerfeld
    @HarveyHanerfeld 2 месяца назад +187

    Here's my take and behavior. Over the last 6 months I have purchased at retail the Tudor Ranger, Tudor Monochrome and Tudor BB58 GMT for a total retail price of $12,300. That's the approximate grey market pricing of the no date sub. Pricing of the GMT and the monochrome is the same as the retail of the sub. The Rolex is ridiculously overpriced for what it is (I have owned a sub 16610 for 3 decades and love it-so I'm no Rolex hater). My new 3 watch collection will bring much more happiness than a single modern sub. Each of my new Tudors is fabulous and distinct and worn in different settings. I don't value the "Rolex Status" at all, and so 3 for the price of one works great for me.

    • @SB-Kiwi
      @SB-Kiwi 2 месяца назад +15

      Hate the Rolex status bs. I own a sea dweller and rarely wear it because of it.

    • @SB-Kiwi
      @SB-Kiwi 2 месяца назад +4

      Beautiful collection BTW.

    • @ademyers2741
      @ademyers2741 2 месяца назад +12

      The value prop of Rolex is even worse for older vintage models. A modern Tudor Black Bay is infinity better quality watch than a Pre-ceramic Sub but is 20% cost of the Rolex. Ditto the Ranger vs Rolex Explorer 1016

    • @DexterAlenko
      @DexterAlenko 2 месяца назад

      cope harder

    • @BruceWilliams
      @BruceWilliams  2 месяца назад +15

      It's awesome building a great collection for the equivalent of a marked up Rolex. Makes the aftermarket values of some rolex seem even more ludicrous

  • @thebestoffools
    @thebestoffools 2 месяца назад +23

    The Tudor sub looks really nice with the jubilee.

  • @gregcarnall9097
    @gregcarnall9097 2 месяца назад +30

    I have the Monochrome and love it, ive also found the movement to be less than 0.5 secs a day so pretty solid. I also prefer the matt bezel and dial, i think the roles looks a little too shiny!!

    • @SA17579
      @SA17579 2 месяца назад

      I feel exactly the same. I tried the sub and found it too shiny.
      I have a seiko marinemaster 300m and that's shiny enough with the zaratsu polishing!
      I need to try the tudor.

  • @Scan_Speak
    @Scan_Speak Месяц назад +5

    I've wanted a no date Submariner forever. Now that I can afford one......I'm conflicted. As much as I would like to own a Rolex, I simply don't want to be seen wearing a Rolex. Anyways, thats my story.

    • @georgetown8986
      @georgetown8986 13 дней назад +1

      Rolex does give off vibe not appreciated by many and, depending on the style chosen, is considered flashy/low class. Tudor is the same quality as Rolex and is much more understated.
      The Explorer II in black is also fine choice as it is understated, GMT, durable, and very sharp.

  • @Anditspee
    @Anditspee 2 месяца назад +55

    Basically the Rolex is 20% nicer for double the price. Whether that’s worth it or not is down to the buyer ;)

    • @Jay-xr3sb
      @Jay-xr3sb 2 месяца назад +5

      Rolex is double the money for 5 times the status symbol...of that matter to you😊

    • @wristopia4101
      @wristopia4101 2 месяца назад +7

      The Rolex is way more than 20% nicer I think its fair to say.
      In 5 years you will forget about the price and wish you had spent the xtra every time you look at your wrist.

    • @jeremydahm2124
      @jeremydahm2124 2 месяца назад +3

      Like all things. A Z06 can be had for 130k in nice trim. Is the comparable Ferrari worth it? In performance no but that shopper only knows he or she wants a Ferrari.

    • @dr.kevinmoore8889
      @dr.kevinmoore8889 2 месяца назад

      ​@@wristopia4101this is true

    • @wristopia4101
      @wristopia4101 2 месяца назад +1

      @@jeremydahm2124 That's a silly comparison..
      I do not know too much about those cars but guessing the Z06 is a Nissan....googled and it's a Corvette EW!
      Not sure how much you know about watches but the Rolex is a super wearable daily driver....... as would be the Hot Nissan.

  • @granthaley867
    @granthaley867 2 месяца назад +15

    I think the burgundy is the one to go for. It has its own identity and is unique to Tudor in the Rolex/Tudor family. While the monochrome is a lovely watch, in the back of your mind, would you always be wondering if you should have spent the extra on the sub?

    • @dinoXAs2
      @dinoXAs2 2 месяца назад +2

      The extra? You mean over 2x of money??

    • @nickpellatt
      @nickpellatt Месяц назад

      100% agree. Buy the Tudor, and potentially think you should have bought the sub.
      Vice versa, you can sell the sub, at a profit, and then buy the Tudor.
      Buy cheap, pay twice

  • @daviddeavours4909
    @daviddeavours4909 7 дней назад +2

    I just got the Black Bay Mono for Christmas (thanks "Santa" !). Honestly I simply would not buy the Rolex version at this point. Tudor makes a better product for less than half the retail cost of the Rolex, without having to jump through hoops or over pay on the secondary market. I've been a Rolex owner since 1999 and I simply won't by another Rolex given the market and the AD disposition today.

  • @dsmlive3982
    @dsmlive3982 2 месяца назад +5

    I purchased my monochrome on the jubilee during Brent Millers VIP cave event. What a watch! I also enjoy my 2020 sub date. I can have the vintage no date feel . Both represent differently.

  • @YueZhangMusic
    @YueZhangMusic 2 месяца назад +36

    nah nothing beats the sub, no doubt. The biggest mistake I made, well, made TWICE was buying a Tudor when I genuinely wanted a Rolex. Pls don't do this guys

    • @BruceWilliams
      @BruceWilliams  2 месяца назад +3

      Good comment

    • @AZadeh-nd8vx
      @AZadeh-nd8vx 2 месяца назад +1

      Agree. I bought a Burgundy MK2 Black Badmmnd whilst I really enjoyed the watch, ultimately I wanted the Submariner. I've now got the 126610LN and love it

    • @HL-OOI
      @HL-OOI 2 месяца назад +2

      Yup never look back on Tudor.. 😂 I would prefer Omega than Tudor..

    • @YueZhangMusic
      @YueZhangMusic 2 месяца назад +4

      @@HL-OOI not a fan of omega but yes, don't buy tudor

    • @zoohvist
      @zoohvist 2 месяца назад +1

      But 2-3x price of Tudor was the reason when you bought not Rolex. Ultra prior unbeatable reason, which was week versus your “I want sub” feeling)

  • @jspeakman53
    @jspeakman53 2 месяца назад +4

    I prefer the more understated elegance of the Tudor, its slender lugs and lack of crown guards harking back to its vintage toolish origins. The Rolex sadly has become too shouty, 'look at me' for my taste.

  • @alnadaf
    @alnadaf 2 месяца назад +5

    I owned the BB41 black with in-house movement for three years and was forced to sell it after 3 years of ownership. I bought the BB58 black in May with rivet bracelet in May brand new and managed to get a £200 discount. I'm keeping it but compared to the BB41 I had it feels underwhelming. Last month I purchased the Monochrome with 5 link bracelet. It is 5 months old and in absolutely pristine condition. I bought that for around £2700 compared to the £3900 price for a new one. It is an unbelievable watch.

  • @jonnypescado1
    @jonnypescado1 2 месяца назад +9

    I've never owned a Rolex, but did recently get the BB Burgandy Mk3 on 5 link (it's the ONLY diver I'd consider on 5 link/Jubilee. I don't know why it works on this one, but it does). Here's my question:
    I believe the Tudor Burgandy belongs in a collection ALONGSIDE a Sub. Does the Burgandy belong in a collection with the Monochrome? I don't know. What say y'all?

    • @richardmorris7063
      @richardmorris7063 2 месяца назад

      I want em all,whoever dies w/ the most watches wins!

  • @5ivebanger
    @5ivebanger 2 месяца назад +2

    I think it’s interesting that, intentionally or not, your shots of the watches side-by-side would alternate in terms of which side the watches were placed. I found that my eye naturally gravitated toward the Tudor, in terms of what I found pleasing. Almost a Rorschach-esque effect. Nicely done, if intended. Otherwise, an interesting litmus test for the eye. Beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder.

  • @theoriginaljohngalt2450
    @theoriginaljohngalt2450 2 месяца назад +17

    I really like the Rolex but I don’t like the shininess of it. I prefer a more brushed look to watches. Yet, I still have my name on the “interest list” for a no date Submariner. I currently have a Black Bay 54 and I absolutely love it due to the size. It’s just so easy to wear.

  • @mattiaroverso1321
    @mattiaroverso1321 Месяц назад +1

    I love the monochrome BB 😊❤

  • @slanealb
    @slanealb 2 месяца назад +11

    One nice plus of the Tudor is the OEM availability of a 5 link bracelet.

  • @Jamesdhillegas
    @Jamesdhillegas 2 месяца назад +1

    Great side by side shots Bruce. The Sub finishing to my eye is so much crisper and noticeable. Love Tudor and own a Pelagos but between these two for me it has to be the Sub.

  • @BPFnSC
    @BPFnSC 2 месяца назад +3

    I own the newest version of the Rolex Submariner Date that I got from my local AD. Knowing what I know now, if this Tudor had been around when I was looking to buy my first luxury watch, the Tudor on jubilee would have been my pick.

    • @greenrush4313
      @greenrush4313 2 месяца назад

      Agreed both great watches have a friendly day

  • @jeremydahm2124
    @jeremydahm2124 2 месяца назад +2

    The Sub and Datejust are 2 Rolex models that are first and foremost a Rolex in my opinion. You will not wear either without people knowing you're wearing a 10 thousand dollar watch, with look at what I have, brand baggage and judgement. I love Rolex but this is true even in Manhattan. Maybe more so here. The Sub is not under the radar in anyway. The Tudor is the choice if you already have a super case Rolex with shiny ceramic. But if you want a Sub, nothing else will satisfy you. Waits are shortening. Momma loves shortening : )

  • @conorwhitworth5182
    @conorwhitworth5182 2 месяца назад +1

    Crown guard and thinness of the watch wins it. But the 5 digit Sub is still the greatest reference.

  • @OzaineChiarello
    @OzaineChiarello 2 месяца назад

    Outstanding video.I have to go with the AMZWATCH, especially with that green dial as my favorite

  • @AZadeh-nd8vx
    @AZadeh-nd8vx 2 месяца назад +2

    People who say they're not similar are deluding themselves - if you showed a non watch person these two watches they would think they were the same unless they did a side by side comparison. There's not that much difference in quality either and I say this as an owner of a Submariner 126610LN

    • @silvershadowjsh
      @silvershadowjsh 17 дней назад +1

      I’m not a Rolex fan but if you’re comparing new watches, there’s a huge and very noticeable quality difference. It becomes more and more apparent with finer details. There’s a big difference in materials used too.

  • @AbbotHolzhauer
    @AbbotHolzhauer 2 месяца назад

    Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from MAMACOO I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.

  • @o0MadHouse0o
    @o0MadHouse0o 2 месяца назад +1

    The sub is the greatest watch ever made. Hands down the best all round watch you can ever buy.

  • @lomadonkey
    @lomadonkey 2 месяца назад +1

    I saw the BB41 monochrome in real and it looks great. I only think they should make the hour hand a bit shorter/smaller like on the Pelagos or GMT. Also I think they should write the max depth in a symmetrical way. My favourite Tudor is the BB54 on the rubber, just the two before mentioned points should be changed there as well ;)

  • @EazyBodydYa
    @EazyBodydYa 5 часов назад

    Hopefully I get the call from the AD on the submariner date! Good comparison video

  • @canadianwatchmonkey3992
    @canadianwatchmonkey3992 2 месяца назад +15

    I went with the Tudor BB 925. Aka silver. ❤

    • @theoriginaljohngalt2450
      @theoriginaljohngalt2450 2 месяца назад +1

      Fantastic choice!!!! I really love Tudor and what they offer. It is more my style than Rolex personally.

    • @canadianwatchmonkey3992
      @canadianwatchmonkey3992 2 месяца назад +1

      @@theoriginaljohngalt2450 100% agree. 👍 I much prefer the more tool like look 👀

    • @scottwexlin6456
      @scottwexlin6456 2 месяца назад

      I have owned this watch for a couple years. It’s one of my favorites.

    • @drnick40
      @drnick40 2 месяца назад

      Excellent choice!

    • @BruceWilliams
      @BruceWilliams  2 месяца назад +1

      Fresh and clean

  • @LazTheGreek
    @LazTheGreek 2 месяца назад

    Great video and comparison of the 2 watches.

  • @ViolinistWilliam
    @ViolinistWilliam 2 месяца назад +15

    My personal opinion: the sub is leagues better. Luxury is about the quality of specific materials at the end of the day. At every single detail, from the bezel to the finishing to the type of steel, the Rolex is superior. Just my opinion

    • @L233233
      @L233233 2 месяца назад +7

      The preposterously named "Oystersteel", which is just 904L, can be also found in cheap Steinharts and even cheaper microbrand watches, like the Nadir Vespera for €500. The "superiority" of 904L has been ridiculously overhyped, as has the supposedly higher cost of production. The differences to 316L are marginal, at best. Unless you're taking the watch into salt water several times per day, the slightly higher corrosion resistance is also utterly irrelevant. Don't just blindly believe the marketing BS.

    • @Jay-xr3sb
      @Jay-xr3sb 2 месяца назад +4

      Nope, you are paying for the brand and its marketing to flex on others...even if you don't want to

    • @ViolinistWilliam
      @ViolinistWilliam 2 месяца назад +1

      @@L233233 it’s not about superiority, it’s about feel on wrist. I own a ton of 316L watches and I have two with 904L. Personally I think they feel completely different, with the 904L feeling warmer and smoother. I also find the 904L less subject to temperature changes. All I can do is offer my opinion, not sure what it has to do with marketing.

    • @L233233
      @L233233 2 месяца назад +3

      @@ViolinistWilliam That's purely psychological. You expect it to be different, so you think it feels differently.

    • @richardbrown8099
      @richardbrown8099 2 месяца назад +5

      ​@@ViolinistWilliamEven the fakes are using 904L these days.

  • @ogmma7364
    @ogmma7364 17 дней назад

    i've got both - awesome review!

  • @joehch
    @joehch Месяц назад +1

    Tudor is a nice Watch. However, the Rolex Submariner Date 126610 is the my choice. Got mine 7/21, for me, the money never factored into my decision

  • @scollyutube
    @scollyutube 2 месяца назад +5

    Not close. Different sizes, one can have a date, and one has a bezel you can't scratch......
    I'd argue the 42mm Pelegos is better than both of them too if value for money counts.

    • @vianouche1
      @vianouche1 2 месяца назад +1

      The Pelagos looks like plastic.

    • @BruceWilliams
      @BruceWilliams  2 месяца назад +2

      My next video will be on my Pelly LHD

    • @scollyutube
      @scollyutube Месяц назад

      @BruceWilliams coolio. I just bought the GMT Pelegos too. Originally wasn't keen on the lume....but in the flesh

  • @billhart
    @billhart 3 дня назад

    I’ve had my BB Monochrome on a 3-link bracelet for 7 months and love it enough that I’ve sold my Submariner 124060.
    The Sub was always a little "off" for me. Too much bling with the ceramic bezel.
    This watch is just the right amount of subdued for me and the T-clasp is game changing (spoiled by the Rolex Glide Lock).
    Stop by your local AD and see what you think. For me, I just put $4500 USD in my pocket ;)

I’ve also purchased the “Jubilee” and rubber straps to scratch my itch that each represents a slight different vibe/feel.

Couldn’t be happier.

  • @jhb072
    @jhb072 2 месяца назад

    Hi Bruce. I think your spot on a versatility. I think it’s the lug width. There such diminishing returns between the two objectively, but if you want a Rolex you want one and nothing else will suffice. Thanks for your great content over the years.

  • @johnfjellstad
    @johnfjellstad 2 месяца назад +1

    In the last couple of years, I started leaning into the idea of watches as jewelry. To me, the blingy nature of Rolex therefore makes more sense. It’s also why I prefer a DateJust over an Explorer, or why a two tone Deep Sea makes sense. Honestly, if wanted a “tool” watch, I’d get a Casio or even a Garmin.

    • @rampantcolt
      @rampantcolt 2 месяца назад

      Hans Wilsdorf said he makes jewelry that tells time.

  • @BMWCARBON
    @BMWCARBON 2 месяца назад

    The Gold submariner is best in my opinion 🎉🎉 as for the tudor I just got the burgundy on jubilee 🎉 really really understated .. very nice piece even get a gmt feel.. ❤

  • @tm9184
    @tm9184 2 месяца назад

    I have both sub and the monochrome. He is 100% right about all of this. It doesn't scratch the itch, bought the tudor thinking it would be an easier daily, but it just doesn't really feel the same.

  • @markbowman7240
    @markbowman7240 2 месяца назад

    great abd impartial review ive both a tudor diver and a sub ..the tudor is a stunning watch at a price that is well below most of its competitors..the sub is a grail i thought id never own and was lucky to get at ad with none of the hassels you hear about .and in all honesty is worth the hype

  • @MrHav1k
    @MrHav1k 2 месяца назад +1

    I see the Rolex being worth about 50% more not more than double the price point. Value easily goes to the Tudor if you simply want a quality watch, BUT if you MUST have a Rolex on your wrist, there's no dobut a black sub might be the best single model you could buy. Goes with anything.

  • @vaclav_fejt
    @vaclav_fejt 2 месяца назад +1

    Out of these two... BB '54. I know the Sub is technically superior, but I'm for that retro look and small size (and weight).

  • @tylersaltmarsh9025
    @tylersaltmarsh9025 2 месяца назад +2

    I like the sub better, but it needs to be around $7000… I could justify the price at that level. 10k puts it into straight up luxury, not tool or functional piece.

    • @BruceWilliams
      @BruceWilliams  2 месяца назад

      My first sub back in 2013 retailed for 7 if I remember correctly.

  • @brafya
    @brafya 2 месяца назад +1

    really miss when subs had matte dials, thats just a much cleaner look to me

  • @Trip2Shiesty
    @Trip2Shiesty 2 месяца назад

    I’m taking the tudor every time it’s honestly just a way better bang for your buck and the Jubilee bracelet on the black bay 58 is just perfect. Even the basil with the mat finishing looks a lot better and it looks a lot more sportier. I’ve just always been a way bigger fan of Tudor and still provides the same qualities as Rolex for less than half of the price I’m trying to decide what my first Tudor is gonna be but leaning towards the red Tudor black bay 58

  • @MIAthe305
    @MIAthe305 20 дней назад

    Can you put the burgundy bezel on the monochrome? What about the blue bezel?

  • @Lord_Flashheart_Woof
    @Lord_Flashheart_Woof 2 месяца назад

    I'm thinking about buying the Tudor. I much prefer the aluminum bezel vs. the shiny ceramic. If so, I'll go for the 5-link bracelet and a rubber strap for versatility. Until then, I'll keep enjoying the heck out my Longines Spirit.

  • @jodysilvia2
    @jodysilvia2 2 месяца назад +1

    I also own the burgundy Metas.
    I really like the watch, even though it doesn't have a date I'm ok with that.

    • @MrZanzibar123
      @MrZanzibar123 2 месяца назад

      I like all the color versions better than the monochrome, which is nice too.

  • @drnick40
    @drnick40 2 месяца назад +3

    Either way Rolex makes money.. Personally I like them both.

  • @scottwexlin6456
    @scottwexlin6456 2 месяца назад

    That Tudor has caught my eye since it was introduced. I’m not in the market for another dive watch right now, but it’s hard to beat the price on that thing compared to the submariner.

  • @sdiver68
    @sdiver68 2 месяца назад

    Thanks for the head to head! Really good job overall!
    Superlative Chronometer is not an external certification. Its actually better IMHO in that Rolex will fix it while under warranty if it falls outside +/- 2 secs.

  • @planetdee3587
    @planetdee3587 2 месяца назад +20

    Once you get pass owning a Rolex (or if you already have one in the collection already), these two are essentially the same watch with the same specs, but one cost half the price.

    • @mema4922
      @mema4922 2 месяца назад +4

      By that logic, just by an Ali express submariner.
      Also, they are not the same watches at all. You clearly don't own a Rolex.

    • @planetdee3587
      @planetdee3587 2 месяца назад +2

      @mema4922 i hear you... and yes, I do own a Rolex. Though taste may come into play here because I am a DJ fan and that is the one I own. So to me, I don't see much of a difference because I am not a huge dive watch kind of guy. And yes, i do have the closes thing to an Ali Express submariner, the Invicta Pro Diver, which for me scratches that itch. But I understand how for fans of the watch, it would not.

    • @mema4922
      @mema4922 2 месяца назад +2

      @@planetdee3587 both are great watches no doubt, however, the sub is more refined, is thinner, has a great taper, a greater micro adjustment. It also has white gold hour markers and platinum dusting on the bezel. Furthermore, Rolex uses 904l steel, which has a great lustre than 316l. I'm not going to say that the sub is 'better' than the Tudor monochrome, however, it is very different in terms of finishing and overall execution, to me it is better, it just feels like a step up. This is only something you notice after wearing watches for a while and comparing them.
      Also, the Rolex is THE dive watch. It is the original, all other divers are derivative, apart from the seamaster, and a couple of others. There is something to be said about being first, it has value imo.

    • @mema4922
      @mema4922 2 месяца назад

      @@planetdee3587 I'd recommend trying them both on and comparing them, it's the tiny details that elevate one over the other.

    • @technoboy21
      @technoboy21 2 месяца назад

      @@mema4922 Problem is, the sub wasn't the first. Blancpain Fifty Fathoms is the daddy of the modern day, monochromatic, divers. Some say that Rolex received great inspiration from the aforementioned watch.

  • @andrewg.spurgeon1736
    @andrewg.spurgeon1736 2 месяца назад +4

    I have a Rolex 116610 Ceramic Submariner Date I purchased new from my AD in 2010 before all of the craziness kicked in. I paid under $7K with tax out the door brand new. I also have a 16623 Yachtmaster 2 tome with the blue dial purchased new in 2008, a day date 36 118238 purchased new in 2015 and finally my dad's 1601 2 tone Datejust purchased for him by my mom for their wedding in August of 1959. Both of them are gone now and I cherish this watch more than the rest. I wear it regularly and remember them both every time I look at it. Thankfully I caught the Rolex bug before the rest of the world and purchased all of mine before the shortages directly from my AD and all at a discount. There really isn't one made now that I would rather have than the ones I already do.

  • @Dugger1991
    @Dugger1991 2 месяца назад

    Both watches are great and iconic! The submariner is an upgrade! No date sub is one of most sought after Rolex of all time. The Tudor is now hard to get! I like the planet ocean better especially the summer blue!

  • @GreceMarip
    @GreceMarip 2 месяца назад

    As always the most thoughtful , well researched & eloquent watch channel around , keep MAMACOO coming !

  • @WaterJake
    @WaterJake 2 месяца назад +1

    The Submariner is better looking, better designed, and better shaped. It's the better watch. But is it 2 x better? IMO, yes, it is. It looks and wears a lot better. It's also the original, a design icon that transcends watches. The Tudor is an homage that helps fill the gap of the Submariner.
    Is it 3 x better if you can't get one at retail? IMO, no it's not. No one should pay more than retail for the Submariner, or pretty much any mass produced modern watch.
    Personally, I'd get the burgundy over the monochrome. It stands on its own.

  • @michaeldemarco899
    @michaeldemarco899 2 месяца назад

    My take because I own a submariner and I have owned the same Tudor one with Burgandy and the monochrome. Tudor is 60% of the way there. Not as refined, not as luxurious, not as lustrous, is in fact a much lesser watch.
    With that said i would never pay full retail for any Tudor so just buy them second hand for a big discount.
    Submariner is still a much better watch that increases in value.

  • @ke0kie
    @ke0kie 2 месяца назад

    I get it, and obviously there is a market for it. Picking Tudor "makes sense" and that's fine for lots of people.

  • @derekbrettell8121
    @derekbrettell8121 2 месяца назад +7

    The Submariner by an absolute mile in every aspect. If you just want a watch with good specs then their are cheaper options than a Tudor as well. Buying a luxury watch isnt just about specs is it? Its about the feeling you get when you put it on your wrist. The Sub is a piece of history, the Tudor is not and never will be...

    • @siddhant46s54
      @siddhant46s54 2 месяца назад +1

      Totally agree

    • @BruceWilliams
      @BruceWilliams  2 месяца назад +3

      Valid point

    • @Baqization
      @Baqization 2 месяца назад +1

      I agree, while certain Tudor Models really can stand on their own (and i think the red Bezel can as well as old Heritage Chrono, Northflag, even the Pelagos) a lot of them are just cheaper and significantly downgraded options of desirable Rolex Models for people who dont want to or cant pay Rolex Money : The Monochrome is a cheap sub, Pro is a Cheap ExII and the Ranger is a cheap Explorer). It shouldn't have to be that way but is seams that Rolex keeps an Eye on what the little sister is allowed to produce and if it interferes with a popular Rolex Model some design choice will be made to ensure it is the inferior version.

  • @chrisp.5272
    @chrisp.5272 2 месяца назад

    Steeldive Submariner for me, NH35. I know it’s an unpopular opinion, and it’s not a Rolex but it’s seriously an amazing homage for $100.

  • @rampantcolt
    @rampantcolt 2 месяца назад +1

    My monochrome is +.5 seconds every 2 days. I love this watch and hate subs

  • @Lord.Indeed
    @Lord.Indeed 2 месяца назад

    Indeed.

  • @zoohvist
    @zoohvist 2 месяца назад

    The information that Rolex makers are relevant to Tudor manufacturing warming up my “submariner buying dream” need. Tudors are the original Rolex homage, I think. Like Armani Jeans remains Armani Couture, but it’s affordable. Tudor is true Rolex goods.

  • @michaelle3734
    @michaelle3734 День назад

    The Tudor doesn't have Anti reflective coating???

  • @verynormalman
    @verynormalman Месяц назад

    I've had a Sub. Sold it when I sold my business. Bought a Pelagos. And I have never had one minute of regret. Far better watch. Far better to wear everyday. And it's a tool watch, that you can actually use to do the things it's designed for. If you want to hang around in bars, and impress silly girls, then of course buy the Rolex, any Rolex, as we all know that young girls like shiny flashy things. And of course Rolex fans get all hot and bothered when they see another man wearing the only watch they think exists.

  • @jonodunn2592
    @jonodunn2592 2 месяца назад

    I have the pelagos 39 which is similar to both of these but for the titanium

  • @dainluke
    @dainluke 2 месяца назад +9

    IMO the best 41mm diver for the money is a used Seamaster 300 (heritage line).

    • @BruceWilliams
      @BruceWilliams  2 месяца назад +2

      A classic! Summer blue has been my favorite release also far (outside the stone dials)

    • @marcuslieberman3577
      @marcuslieberman3577 2 месяца назад +1

      I agree! 👍

    • @jimgoogle3945
      @jimgoogle3945 2 месяца назад

      Yes! I’m wearing mine now. Left the GMT Master II in the safe today😁

  • @siddhant46s54
    @siddhant46s54 2 месяца назад +7

    The Submariner 124060 is absolute dive watch perfection, no other diver on the market right now can compete with it period !

    • @ahojnazdar3656
      @ahojnazdar3656 2 месяца назад

      lol, you can't be more wrong. Glashutte Original Seaq Panorama Date is so much better if the perfection is key factor for the price.

    • @siddhant46s54
      @siddhant46s54 2 месяца назад

      @@ahojnazdar3656 perfection is subjective, the Rolex Submariner 124060 is perfection to me in all the criteria’s imaginable.
      The GO SeaQ date isn’t the one for me personally, the skin diver Seiko 62mas esque styling with the thin bezel and huge dial just looks disproportionate to me, straight lug end , disconnected bracelet look ( the end links are done so well and tight on the Sub it almost looks like an integrated bracelet watch ), the huge goofy arabic numerals and the odd date placement with the huge date window( I’m of the opinion that date window doesn’t belong on a diver at all and it’s ruins the symmetry ). All this just doesn’t appeal to me at all and doesn’t make me lust after it like I do with regards to the Sub .

    • @Leftystrat
      @Leftystrat 2 дня назад

      Starbucks for the colour , yum

  • @vianouche1
    @vianouche1 2 месяца назад +1

    One very important aspect in the comparison is the feeling when winding up the watch. The Sub feel so "strong" and precise. Uncomparable...

  • @spartus56996
    @spartus56996 5 дней назад

    I only see one negative with the Tudor, case thickness, still a bit too chunky, if it only had a slimmer midcase !

  • @eldritchweather
    @eldritchweather 2 месяца назад

    For me thickness is key

  • @Leftystrat
    @Leftystrat 2 дня назад

    No AR on the monochrome deal breaker for me

  • @slanealb
    @slanealb 2 месяца назад +1

    At first glance, it looks like a five digit Sub vs. 124060 comparison. Sub is better, but is it twice the cost better? I’m sure there will be lots of opinions, but both are great watches.

  • @Cga1225
    @Cga1225 2 месяца назад

    With Rolex, you pay for the premium work - polished cases, links, white gold markers, hands, and 904 Steel and movement. They make it like jewelry. Tudor has always been designed to be the cheaper alternative. Less shine, 316 standard steel, etc... this is the cost diff aside from the branding. This is bad for Tudor because they are known as the poor mans Rolex, thats how it came about, as it is available and affordable w quality. This is good for Tudor because people can buy them feeling like they have a Rolex quality watch. Either way, Rolex makes all sales which ever brand you choose!!!

  • @CertifiedSlamboy
    @CertifiedSlamboy 2 месяца назад

    Certain people in these comments are so impacted by Rolexs branding they ignore all facts and logic.
    Talking about "it's the original dive watch" etc etc. Ignoring the fact that Omega's Seamaster was in 1948 and the Blancpain FF was in 1953. BEFORE the Sub.
    Just admit you want the logo / brand and stop lying to yourselves

  • @chadgraber4575
    @chadgraber4575 6 дней назад

    If we were comparing a 5 digit sub it'd be a different story. But in this comparison, BB all day. Not even close.

  • @lonewolf3611
    @lonewolf3611 2 месяца назад +1

    That Rolex is gorgeous!

  • @sadaka201
    @sadaka201 2 месяца назад +1

    Sub all they long. Over a certain price it is not so important anymore. You eigther are able to pay the bucks or not.

  • @ManeraVandyck
    @ManeraVandyck 2 месяца назад

    MAMACOO watches are great and affordable!

  • @MrDucatiti
    @MrDucatiti 2 месяца назад

    No.1 rule in this hobby: Do not settle.

  • @ianwoollard2063
    @ianwoollard2063 2 месяца назад +2

    I found the Tudor extremely underwhelming when I tried it on. The Sub is on another level

  • @carlojames3406
    @carlojames3406 Месяц назад +1

    BB54 over rolex sub

  • @fitforbitcoin
    @fitforbitcoin Месяц назад

    mate I need help I don't know if I should buy Tudor or save more for Sub. :D

  • @fabfour289
    @fabfour289 12 дней назад

    BB 58 200m WR 11.9mm thin, Rlx Sub 300m WR 12.5mm thin, BB 58 GMT 200m WR 12.8mm ... so Why is this Tudor BB 41 200m 13.5mm thick?

  • @massimorinella3283
    @massimorinella3283 Месяц назад

    I have a gmt master 2 since 1989 but recently I bought a BB pro and a Ranger , Rolex is overpriced nowadays and impossible to wear in big cities because of the robbery problem .

  • @JohnVavra-i1w
    @JohnVavra-i1w 2 месяца назад

    Oh wait I’m back, how about one on how great Seiko’s are with their unlined bezels and crappy time keeping, and impeccable bracelets.

  • @CaptainCreampie69
    @CaptainCreampie69 2 месяца назад +2

    Tudor ruins it with that hour hand and worse materials. Sure I don’t need platinum numbers on the bezel but everything else is mediocre on a Tudor. Take the Pelagos, type 2 titanium is mediocre while type 5 is superior in finish and scratch resistance.

  • @algernonwolfwhistle6351
    @algernonwolfwhistle6351 2 месяца назад

    The Submariner was a tool watch that built a reputation on reliability but is it a tool watch today? If not what is its purpose other than to be a status symbol to people who have a limited knowledge of the watch world.

  • @TheBarts27
    @TheBarts27 2 месяца назад

    Tudor is a bit boring imho. The Rolex is more interesting because of the materials. The Rolex looks and is more expensive and that is a good thing I quess. The Rolex is much more expensive and the Tudor will not scratch that itch if you want in your heart the Rolex and settle for the Tudor. Save money for the Rolex if that is what you want!

  • @GoldStandardEnterprises
    @GoldStandardEnterprises 2 месяца назад

    Another great video brother! Owned the sub and have the monochrome now…both are great! Love the tool watch vibe from the Tudor!

  • @jaywhite1141
    @jaywhite1141 2 месяца назад +1

    I’m getting a Tudor instead of a Rolex

    • @Schnitzeljunge
      @Schnitzeljunge 2 месяца назад

      Nice. Good luck selling the Tudor after 6 months😂

    • @shearcreatif
      @shearcreatif 27 дней назад

      @@Schnitzeljunge if you are thinking of selling your watch after buying it, you shouldn't even think about buying it in the first place. unless this is your job

  • @on2wheels275
    @on2wheels275 Месяц назад

    The Tudor needs crown guards otherwise it would be perfect

  • @geneparadiso6258
    @geneparadiso6258 2 месяца назад

    Tudor will always be the Rolex stepchild.

  • @MrNickMulgrave
    @MrNickMulgrave 2 месяца назад

    I tried the Tudor and wasn't impressed with the surface of the dial. It looks cheap, like vinyl or plastic.

  • @toolate1776
    @toolate1776 2 месяца назад

    🤔It's surprising that a prestigious brand like Tudor should need to copy another brand's model, like a small brand trying to make a name for itself. This just goes to show that Rolex remains the master of the game and remains at the top of the hierarchy, because the reverse is unthinkable: Rolex won't copy a Tudor.

    • @richardmorris7063
      @richardmorris7063 2 месяца назад

      Its hard to name a manufacturer that doesn't have a line of watches that don't copy a Rolex, maybe Tag Hauer,Patek Phillips & Richard Mille. I can name brands that copy Tudor right in to the snowflake hands,ever see San Marcus? The Tudor Panda is not a copy of a Daytona, very different watches. Tudor is so close that justifying twice the price is really crazy but yes I'm A collector,I too want one.

  • @Wintermute-088
    @Wintermute-088 2 месяца назад

    The rolex looks tacky and plasticky thanks to the shiny dial and bezel. Might feel nicer in the hand, but the glossy toy-like look doesnt do it for me at all.

  • @Udansha
    @Udansha 2 месяца назад

    I have both.. issued solved

  • @bnick25352535
    @bnick25352535 2 месяца назад

    Give me a ceramic bezel I'll take tge monochrome

  • @Steve-qs9eq
    @Steve-qs9eq 2 месяца назад

    The monochrome looks better too. 👍

  • @Mark-ph5nh
    @Mark-ph5nh 2 месяца назад +1

    Buying watch is dead. No one cares anymore 😢😢😢😢

  • @albertmeyer8983
    @albertmeyer8983 2 месяца назад

    They cannot be compared Bruce. Maybe seen through the bottom of a beerglass they look similar. The movement of the Rolex is far superior. I am a watchmaker and worked on both. The Tudor is not a luxury watch.

  • @boldizsarkiss4825
    @boldizsarkiss4825 2 месяца назад

    I love your content. But at 2:45 the reflection of the light makes it very bad to see the watch.