The BEST Rolex SUPER-CLONE? | This Fake Submariner Is Insane
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
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In this video, our Swiss-trained watchmaker discusses the capabilities of the best replica watch factories in the world, and gives you a detailed comparison of this authentic and replica Rolex Submariner 126610LV that didn't pass our authentication process - so you know what to look for when buying pre-owned.
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:28 Crystal height
1:16 Bezel
1:48 Date Wheel
2:06 Rehaut
3:01 Dial
3:29 Case & bracelet
4:20 Clasp
5:13 Movement
7:15 Box & papers
7:56 Checklist
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"They are never going to achieve the same level of accuracy" I wouldn't be so confident about that, I have a feeling this will age like milk. Advancing tech, videos like this, and the fact they are actively attempting to get as close as possible (even on the movements now) means they will be there sooner than later. A few years ago channels like this said they'll never get even close. Now that they are almost impossible to differentiate, The rhetoric has moved to: they won't be able to replicate stuff only visible under a magnifying lens or a microscope. In 3-5 years it'll be: well, replicas can't copy the in-store and service experience I guess (Especially funny considering Rolex are the absolute worst in this regard).
You nailed on the head with the in-store experience. I find it on par with Ferrari, maybe worse.
@@MiniDevilDF id say its more like Porsche at the moment “Ohh, you want this allocation for this extremely desirable car? You gotta have the entire range below it to even have the chance”
We are gonna get to the point that people ask the question.
Why are we paying so much.
??????
in 10 years the clones will be better than the originals
@@Mountainmonths i would say this statement is perhaps more true: in 10 years clones will be as good as current models and older refs of brands like Rolex and Cartier. There are watches that are simply too good for them to be viable for the rep makers to fully replicate like Patek and A lange sohne.
It gets to the level where calling them a "clone" is indeed more adequate than "fake".
I feel that. It’s like the people making these should just find some investors, so they can hire branding and marketing people to start their own company.
I call them "real fakes"
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
where do i get that rep? ;)
Dhgate
My question exactly
@@Shoppe_Talk
Thailand ( apparently )
100 bucks.
@@AnarSchism.
$100 plus Airfare lol
yup@@AnarSchism.
I love the fake to real comparisons. MORE PLEASE
But its shit because they use always bad superclones.. they never use the best superclones from every model and then compare with the original because if the people see how good are the best superclones they get scared.. ah friend from me sell 2 rolex superclones as original to jewerly and the jewelry pay him out they dont see that the watch is ah fake 😅
Pretty mindblowing counterfeit.
I love watching videos and seeing a post from someone I hold in such hi regard. Hello Destin!
Question did you use a different light for the replica? If not then it would be safe to say the crystal has a coating that the camera can see because it's giving blue filter effect when light reflects back off of the watch face.
To be fair the replica was so damn close and without a genuine sample next to it it’s almost impossible to tell the fake from the genuine. Regarding the movement differences who in their right mind will buy what they think is genuine then pull it apart to confirm it
Well I bloody well would, and if the seller had an issue with that I'd walk away...
If buying a used Rolex, I would make sure to have it evaluated by a jeweler first. Buy even then, someone can replace the obvious movement parts with authentic Rolex parts for about $1500.
If you’re paying a few thousand and you’re unsure if it’s authentic why wouldn’t you get the movement inspected? All you need is to take off the back cover, takes a few seconds to do.
@@sharinglungs3226 Only watch experts can tell. Average people don't.
lol if im spending this kind of money on a watch, you best believe that caseback is going to be opened.
The rehaut alignment is a myth. Gen Rolexes more often than not, don’t have a perfectly aligned rehaut. So don’t panic if you see misalignment.
That's exactly what a fake Rolex owner would say
@@moto-moto 😂😂😂
@@moto-motorep owners have more experience than probably even watch experts at telling apart gens from reps from all the time they spend comparing their vsf subs to gen subs. So they also have a lot of experience looking at gens, so I think the guy might be right, look at the video even, the rehaut on gen is not properly aligned too.
Correct, i have seen many gen subs/datejusts where the rehaut doesnt align perfectly, not a great tell between fake/gen
Correct. I have a 100% gen Milgauss and the crown at 12 o'clock doesnt align and it drives me nuts!
Awesome video! Keep'em coming, very educational.
Very helpful. Great content
Thanks for the update. I now know what to improve.
Exactly what I was looking for, very informative. Thanks for the effort put into this vid.
So ur telling me the fake is made better but cheaper 🤔
No he’s saying it’s roughly 90% compared to the authentic Rolex in this situation.
@@danduntz2539 90% as good at
0:50 The etching on the replica looks more like a proper Rolex crown logo.
Scrolling through a few other videos, nothing compares to your video. The indicative arrows while you explain what to spot or compare with SBS image is another big thumbs up 👍
I really like this guy’s style. Funny, not over the top.
Great video, the movement finsh, the inertia balance screws for the free sprung escapement rather than regulator pins are the main tell. I have yet to see a review of a replica out of a factory with these features.
china: thank you for the feedback
But it's harder to distinguish without the original side by side.
lol who gives a fuck i can buy 40 reps @ 800 with clean than buy one rolex. lol
Its amazing how close they look, thanks for sharing, great video
I feel that without having the refrence watch, those small differences would be hard to identity. For example, the sound of the bezel would be hard to identity being too high without the real deal to compare it to.
If one is serious with a watch collecting hobby, then it is a good idea to buy watch opening tools in order to open up a watch (especially Rolex style watches), in order to have a look at the movement, because it is the movement that settles it once and for all if a watch is genuine or fake.
@@TheConcertmaster for many fakes that works, yet the newer "super clones" even have very well replicated movements.
@@MarcSherwood true, but the rep makers will never be able to replicate the balance wheel found in a genuine Rolex. It’s too complicated to reproduce, and merely physically copying it is not enough. I mean, they could try physically copying it, but it’s not gonna keep time properly because it needs to be properly calibrated by somebody with an extremely high level of skill. This alone would not be cheap. So they have to resort to a cheap version of a balance wheel that is designed differently such that it is much simpler to calibrate, but keeps time nevertheless. As a result, the balance wheel is the one and only telltale sign that will always remain in a rep watch revealing that it is a rep.
@@TheConcertmaster not anymore. there are like 3 pieces you switch with the real because they work in the fakes. then its real. Only you and God can know at that point! And fakes are better than this one. flush sapphire or glass face is on the fakes...they don't all come stuck up. I have a real sub and a fake one. if I drop them on the floor, even taking the backs off I would be able to tell. only reason I know is bc of some minor scratches. I prefer real, but I don't have a guilt for the fakes bc I will tell ppl they are clones if it becomes a topic of discussion. im just liking how I look and like looking at the watch:)
Great video on the subject, one of the best I've seen. I'm a watch seller myself, and these days I won't attempt to authenticate a watch "in the field." Example: A friend walks up to me at the poker table and wants my opinion on a piece - unless it's one of those obvious older fakes I'm not going to comment without getting it under a loupe. And to be sure I'm going to have to crack it open. Unless I'm missing something, the most obvious issue with the fake movement is it uses the standard 2892 type double regulator arm setup while the genuine has one newer style regulator arm.
Not to mention the stator refliction timer.
So, for the amount of microscopic differences between them, would you prefer to pay £500 for the SuperClone, Or £15,000 for the genuine ?
Logic says you are paying £14,500 for the name !
My friend in Australia has a genuine Rolex Submariner and recently contacted Rolex about replacing the clasp on the bracelet.
Even he was astonished when Rolex quoted him over Au $3000 for a new clasp ! That’s just the clasp, not the bracelet !
Don’t try to tell me that a stainless steel clasp @ $3k is not a rip off ! This is a simple clasp, not a movement …..
He could buy SIX super clones for the price of a gen clasp !
It kinda makes you understand how much Rolex and other luxury brands are ripping off customers, there is NO justification whatsoever for charging such outrageous prices, you’ve just seen for yourself how close these super clones are to the original.
Easy to see why there is a market for them
The thing is… if you buy a steel watch from an AD.. its made money, so in reality it hasn’t cost you a bean in real terms, if you decide to sell you’ll make money.. your superclone will be worth nothing.. all the while your only fooling yourself wearing fakes.. kind if sad in my opinion
I have a DeepSea and the bracelet started shedding pins after years of hard use. They wanted thousands to replace the bracelet. I picked up a 904L clone bracelet for $125 that has now lasted longer than the original.
Rolex 🙄
@@chriswhite4915 not correct. On rep forum there's a well enstablished exchange of second wrist reps. A good rep may loose around 5% (if's kind of new and not an old model) and up to 40% if it's an old model, but still, we're speaking 5-40% of 350-550$, so who cares.
@@chriswhite4915 Superclones are great, if you know where to buy quality superclones you can easily get your money back. There's pretty much no watch in the world that retails for £500 that will retain its value 4-5 years down the line.
Yeah I'd probably take a 95% accurate super clone for 10% of the cost.
When it’s got to the point where the differences are microscopic then the fakes have won. It’s all about pride at this point.
Yeah, he even said the dealers would not be able to tell, at that point it’s not even worth getting a real one.
@@alex2jz140yeah totally agree…
I have this fake and the real one. I can't tell either one, except for the crystal height. So yeah, one is kept on a safe as an investment, the other is the one I wear. I think that makes the fake one my favorite.
@@JavierHuerta this. If I had money to buy these expensive watches. I most likely would buy a fake just to daily. It feels cheap and inauthentic to wear a fake one without the real one. But wearing a fake when you own the real one would be different.
where you get the replica asking for a friend lol
how much was this particular replica?
Hope to see this channel grow in the future, great video
What "I've learned" is that buying an "authentic" Rolex is an unnecessary expense, when you can get a quality "replica" for a FRACTION of the price, and the "differences" in no way
justify paying the (many) THOUSANDS more for the real thing....
Yeah it's a little funny when a manufacturer is accused of trying to maximize quality at the lowest price, this is called polishing a turd.
you can buy a fake rolex, but all that makes you is a fake, because you can't afford a real one. you are missing the point of buying a rolex my guy
@@rover5321 I can easily afford a Rolex, I simply don't believe they're worth what they cost, and "Super Clones" prove that. You can talk all day about how "special" Rolexes are, but it's hype.
It’s all bullshit when u die who cares like seriously what is this material crap doing
@@rover5321 , already posted this but I have both real and fake. I've bought a number of real ones over the years and yet, somehow Rolex doesn't want to sell me a Daytona. Am I missing the point?
This video has convinced me to get a replica
The way you held the watches differently when turning the bezel certainly made them sound different
I thought same thing
In short, the only real way to tell the difference, is to look at the balance assembly. And when they'll finally get that part right, there'll be no way, except by maybe using a mass spectrometer.
That and when the rep falls off your wrist because the bracelet fails, or it loses 10 mins a day or just stops working. Super Reps are fun but remeber not beer money , i just checked thr CF Daytona is over 800 bucks now.These are probably ex factory at half that with the dealer doubling up You can get lucky and get a 100% reliable 1. I have have a few super reps,.NOOB,VSF BPF , for a few years now, they all have developed issues and some arrived with issues!, all are still wearable though. I also have a few higher end watches, Zenith, IWC, Tag Brietling. The Tag required an entire new movement after a year,luckily the warranty covered. If TAG can't quality control.its not surprising dirty back street factories have problems..Super.reps.are fun, but remember you are probably.helping to finance organised crime, and treat your purchase as fun nothing more. If I added up.all the money I have spent on reps I could.have bought a decent Swiss watch and not that far off a used Rolex..Having said that the rep game have helped me.me.learn which watches I really like and desire, and my Rolex desire greatly diminished
You could just buy the balance assembly and install it.
Or put it on a timegrapher.
Want any “perfect fake” verified - send it to Rolex for a service. You see, Rolex don’t buy the bullshit. It’s not an ego thing, or money thing to Rolex - it is what they genuinely are. A perfect duplicate of your son is a far cry from who and what he genuinely is - you would never love another…Rolex matters to Rolex more than the sum of its parts.
How’s the quality long term
Of these high end clones? I was at the ad but I couldn’t justify the 9k price tag. I just bought an explorer super clone clean
I will never look at a Rolex the same again, now I know what to look for. Thank You !
the crown in the sapphire at 6 that is lasered in, is done all messed up by hand on the real ones. the fakes have perfect crowns lasered. Rolex said they did it so you could tell. get the rep lol
@@tmears11 This is true. Another "tell" is if the lasered crown is too easy to see. It's supposed to be hard to find, especially on newer models. Some replica crystals have a larger lasered crown which is also a tell unless it's an older watch. That's why people who own top tier replicas will replace the crystal with a genuine Rolex crystal. This can be done for about $400 and makes the watch damn near indistinguishable from genuine without opening the watch or running the serial number.
Best comparison I've seen. Liked, subscribed.
Great Video! And VSF Submariners are indeed on a different level.
The crown laser etching on the clasp on the replica is visually different from the authentic Rolex. Great comparison, thanks!
Better on the clone
@@volvo24091 intentionally done that way by Rolex to use to tell the difference...which isn't impressive for Rolex.
Great video, thank you! I think it seems a lot easier to tell the difference when you have both authentic and replica side by side and can put both of them under a macro lens but sadly it would be a different story if you just handed the replica to pretty much anyone and asked their opinion. Unless an AD has the caseback removed and checked by their watch maker it would probably fool them as well. It probably won't be long before they are able to duplicate the look of the hairspring as well.
Be careful also when you buy
A geniune one that they
Dont put a fake work inside
One issue that they will never really be able to replicate due to cost is the edges of the components in the works. Stamped steel has a specific way that the edges look and you can try to polish it out, but it's always there. Similar to how a milled piece just looks different as they can't completely hide the grain of the metal. They can also try to color the spring, but it's similar to comparing fake versus real anodizing. One is a process that you have to do the process and the other.. isn't the same effect.
But, yes, 95% of people on the street would not notice.
Also, yes, that spring isn't replicated as it's costing Rolex a couple of hundred (their cost) to make. On a $20K watch, that's nothing, but on a replica, $200 and $300 parts add up fast and kill your margins. So I doubt if we will ever see parts like that being coped 1:1.
@@plektosgaming Even if rep makers decided to go all in 1:1 such that they are able to reproduce the same level of quality as that of a genuine watch, they might as well start their own watch company with their own brand at such high level of craftsmanship.
They can try to duplicate the look of the hairspring all they want, but it's the balance wheel that they will never be able to reproduce on a 1:1 basis with Rolex. The balance wheel is what sets Rolex and the reps apart. Probably the only detail that the reps will never get because it requires an extremely high level of skill to get right. It's probably the only component on a watch that you will never be able to copy on a mere superficial basis, but the rep makers are already very well aware of that.
@@quadmeister*Good point for purists to consider. I prefer one with a genuine Seiko 41mm movement. Looks right, keeps more accurate time and no more mechanical issues. I had to have mine moded but someone is missing a helluva marketing opportunity here!*
Super informative! Thanks man.
Very informative. Thank you.
My green submariner fake from Shenzhen ~2010 is still going strong!
Where can I get one? I got the blue one back in 2005... I have no clue where to buy nowadays
@@C0GNIT0 not sure, haven't been back in years. Those were the days where you could easily cross back into HK trailing 2 full golf club sets (Ping, Callaway etc) and bags packed with watches and DVDs - per person!
Best content I've seen on reps so far. Great shots. Most everything else covering replicas is meta analysis.
The rehaut engraving letters not aligned to the minute indices are probably the best and easiest tell without having to open the watch. With that said, that's probably also the easiest for the clone manufacturers to correct with future production. It appears the rehaut crown engraving at 12 is misaligned on both the authentic and clone (@2:37)! Regarding the crystal crown engraving at 6, I've read Rolex engraves the dots at different depths that's why it doesn't appear as crisp as the clone. I suspect the clone engraves each dot at the same depth giving it a better surface appearance (@1:07).
Crown off at 12 is not a tell.
@@sunnypunnia9032 Are you saying that the rehaut crown engraving at 12 may not necessarily be aligned on the authentic watch?
@@mtbbiker6401 yes. I have gen with poor alignment
@@mtbbiker6401 tbf it seems like you say that in your comment but it also seems like you say the opposite, unless i am misreading. Sorry not trying to be a clever cloggs, just making it clear for others. Appreciate your vids.
@@sunnypunnia9032 It could just be the angle of the camera. @2:19 the rehaut crown does look centered but @2:37 it appears to be shifted slightly to the right. Who knows maybe the dial/movement is rotated slightly within the case.
Love these comparison videos.
You should have done a weight comparison
When a “fake” is a work of art in itself
The SuperClone fakes are so good, There are now factories making fake fakes !! 😂
All watches are a work of art, fake or not. But they're still a fake.
Fake is still Fake, which says a lot about the Clown wearing them! LMAO
@@94SexyStang Who is the clown, the one that pays a 1500€ value watch nearly 10 times more so that he can mute his insecurities saying to himself he has "the real deal" while feeding the super-rich swiss corporates, or the one that spend 500€ for something which works the same, looks the same, and use the rest of the money to go on a couple of great vacation with the girl of that one that thought that having spent a lot of money on a watch makes him a better person? :D
A "real" Rolex is not really that real anyways, when they have to rely on playing mind games to maintain the value of their items. =/ I would respect someone much more who choose a fake rolex just for fun & appreciation, then some insecure dudes who wear " the real deal" and it seriously because it boost his incomplete ego.
Very informative & professional video I assume that all Rolex bracelet clip hooks in regards to the Submariner & new D43 Sea dweller have no welding at the clip hook base as one piece on the authentic Rolex submariner by soldering!
With 3d scanning, 5 axis CNC machining and UV-LIGA technologies it has become easier to replicate any watch they even can make a free sprung balance wheel instead of regulated wheel but they don't want to exceed their price target limits
I wonder how good reps are in like 10 years.
@@PK-mx7nf is not about capability it is about the cost limit , they can replicate the same free sprung wheel of genuine Rolex but that will be costlier, so instead they make regulated spring wheel
@@MrAbdul-uf9ug Absolutely. Seeing that Patek clone he just posted - fast forward to 6: 40. They can't replicate deep engraving and 24k gold filling like that and stay on budget. That right there is probably their entire budget to replicate. So they went with a silkscreened replica of it.
@@plektosgaming no they did it for the mod version of 5712, with deep engraving true free balance wheel and 21k gold rotor but it is cost 3000 $ , he might shows the standard clone not the Mod one
@@MrAbdul-uf9ug Oh, I'm sure they can make a proper clone, but my point is the cost is usually prohibitive to do all of these changes. Spotting fakes isn't too hard, since like he said, if one part is fake, the rest of it is as well. The market for a $3000 clone is extremely limited as well, since anyone who can afford a $3000 clone can also afford the real thing and will simply buy it.
On the other hand, yes, I agree with you about him also protecting his own industry because he's not going to probably show the best clones. The Swiss industry has huge markups, a bit like the precious stone industry, and needs to come down a lot on their prices. For instance, a basic entry-level Rolex should cost, based on inflation and previous models from the 80s with similar technology, about $4K. There is a notable up-charge happening, as well as dealers being outright buttheads.
People really don’t know that these top tier factories make this for like 300 bucks the rest is added from middleman (for now you cannot buy directly from factories) if let’s say we ask them to do a double the price version there will be no more differences, plus you can easily add gen parts in and out so this shows you how overpriced is the luxury market from watches to clothes
This sub has to be VSF
The first part of your comment is correct, you cannot get these from the factory directly (to my knowledge), but the extra "middleman" cost is what is called profit: because no one works for free. Be it the replica watch market, or literally any other item, the factories that make goods usually do not sell directly to consumers because the logistics of individual sales is not their business. Retailers, no matter what form, offer these factories the service of said logistics... for a fee. And, if the factories chose to take it on themselves, they would also do so for a fee, passed onto the consumer, because, again, no one likes to work for free. There is more to getting an item in your mailbox than JUST manufacturing said item.
The second part about what you said, regarding the replica factories ability to make a watch with "no more differences" for $600, or the idea that you can swap out gen parts is... utter nonsense. It might be true for a lot of the watch, but it won't in terms of A) precious materials and B) the movement. The first is fairly obvious, so I'll go into the second:
The only reason a replica factory can make a movement that looks pretty close to a real one is because a Rolex 3135 or Omega 8800 are still very similar to the ETA 2824 base in many ways. These factories can make a relatively reliable and accurate ETA 2824 clone because decades ago, for a brief time, ETA outsourced manufacturing to China, and thus they were able to keep the tooling and knowledge of that exchange. But that is all they can do. No one, and I mean no one, is going to be able to build you a perfect replica watch AND perfectly recreate a custom, recent, in house movement for $600... not one that works, anyway. And, no, you cannot swap in a 3135 balance setup into a replica: it will not fit, nor will it work.
Now, there is some validity to the statement that luxury items are often overpriced, but not for the reasons you stated. A Rolex, with all of its features, is overpriced at nearly $10k. But, you cannot build that piece for $600 either: it is not possible. $6000? Maybe. But not $600. Now, you can still make the argument that, regardless of build cost, a Rolex simply is not worth it, but that doesn't mean Rolex can magically put together a Submariner for you for $600... they would be taking a massive loss.
@@herewegoagain...If you think rolex spend $6000 to produce a sub, you're deeply misinformed.
It's closer to $600 ex factory.
if u do not mind may I know where I can buy these
@@stevenkelby2169 Yes and no. If you're just comparing material cost, sure, but that's simply incorrect and misleading.
Apart from material cost, there are alot more than goes into making a watch.
1. R&D. It cost the replica factories TENS of millions to reverse engineer the Caliber 4130. Now imagine Rolex had to invent that movement by SCRATCH.
2. Manufacturing. This is pretty much self explanatory, manufacturing cost in Switzerland is way, WAY higher than in China. Rolex's tolerances is also way stricter, which produces more rejects. All this are cost that goes into making a high end watch. Fake factories do not operate under such stringent conditions, which is why a lot of fakes breaks down after less than 2 years. Fakes also do not provide warranty, Rolex does.
3. Marketing. The fake manufactures are simply piggy backing Rolex's marketing campaign. Without these marketing campaigns, the Rolex name would've be as sought after. The cost of paying Formula 1, Tennis, Golf etc are upwards of hundreds of millions. All this cost are footed by Rolex.
Excellent comparison!
i will say from what i've seen online, it seems like they are now spot welding the hook on the clasp mechanism, and have improved the rehaut significantly. it's still noticeable with a loupe or microscope but its nearly perfect. still no attempt to mimic a free sprung balance with the over coil or the inertia weights
The crown on the genuine one (etched into the crystal) looks way worse than the replica one... Interesting :D
That's b.c. it only alignes perfectly when looking straight down at it,90 degrees. It is laser-etched in different dephts/levels.
@@kimchiwasabee The genuine still looks like crap regardless of how you look at it.
on my genuine submariner, on the rehaut the crown at 12h is not perfectly aligned with the minute marker. did you notice that on rolex models ?
Its not unusual for the rehaut to be off on a genuine Rolex. They are far from perfect ha.
could be the dial is slightly off which can be easily remedied. The misalignment would drive me nuts.
0:07 I kinda wish you'd blurred out both numbers here. But even before I saw the blurred out serial I kinda figured out which one was fake after pausing the video.
Can anyone answer this question for me. Has anyone removed the ban and check to see if there's a serial number on the case between the lugs
The crazy thing is... This is not a top tier replica. All the issues he called out are resolved in replicas I have held in my hand. Every time I see one of these videos even a new one like this one, The info in the video is obsolete. The only tell these days on the top tier submariner models is the movement and the floating m on the dial. I think they even finally resolved the space in STEELINOX clasps engraving. IYKYK
can you link the place to get better reps?
Correct about the space
I would like to know, aswell.
Goodness sake someone please
I see other differences at 6:31, the finish and machine work on the main plates is rough on the fake and theres a noticeable difference in the balance spring jewel mount area.
Great video best comparison one ive seen
About the rehaut, Rolex confirmed me that it could be slightly off place on many watches (even on some promotional pictures), the tolerance is 2 degrees to the right or to the left, the reference is the crown at 12 o clock.
So it is not an argument to distinguish a replica from a genuine watch, the quality of the engraving on the rehaut is though.
There’s an episode of Antique Roadshow where a gentleman purchased a Daytona back in 1971 for $345. Adjusted for inflation that comes to roughly $2,573.00! A new Daytona runs about $35k!!! That’s one hell of a markup!
Rolex is a garbage company now. They used to make watches for professionals; now they make watches for playboys and people with more money then they have sense.
@@Allante715agree!
Well that’s how it is on lots of things. Also the Daytona from 71 was not nearly as sophisticated as the later zenith one or of course not the new one.
You can only compare that to its current MSRP $15,100 not it’s resale price but to your point that’s nearly 6x the original cost. We do , however, have to remember that Rolex did not have the same brand cache as it does now and the materials / construction methods were not as refined so some of the increase can be attributed to those points.
Excellent information. I just bought a 2023 GMT Master II …I didn’t know about the crown to the left of 6 hour mark 😮
Honestly learned so frickin' much in this video. Liked and Subscribed. 9.83k sub's isn't enough.
Brilliant video
The laser crown on the VSF looks better than the genuine Rolex crown.
Not when you look at it straight down it doesn’t. The photo was from the side, it’s designed to be aligned only when viewed 90 degrees down.
how do you know its VSF?
@@MrCollinsOne q66 serial number, yes its a vsf.
Would love to have seen him compare with the clean factory version of this, lol.
vsf is the best right now
Thanks for the class.
Crazy how some of the finishing looks even better than on the gen.
I thought I was the only one who saw that
Twenty years ago the Folexes were laughably bad and had the feel of a cheap Walmart watch. It's incredible how good they've gotten. At some point they might as well just be considered equals.
Those videos only show us how overpriced the "100% genuine" watches are. Replicas are much cheaper and you need an expert with an microscope to differentiate them...
@@Yuri231 Rolex made in EU, clones made in China.
shit on the rep as much as you want, still can't deny how good they are for the money.
A real 600 dollar watch won't fall apart on you like a 600 dollar fake. If you go to the forums those guys are always complaining about their shitters falling apart, lol.
@@Jake-bt3fc I enjoy Gens and reps, if you know which factory to get from for the respective model, you will be good. I always get the watch serviced, regulated and pressure tested for any rep I keep. Never had a problem with them and some I've had for years.
@@Jake-bt3fc please don't spread bs.
@@MrKacperk The only watch I've ever had break was the only rep I've ever bought. It was one of the most expensive watches I ever bought too. I've spent a lot of time on r/reptime and I wish I spent more time on there before I wasted my money. I know what I'm talking about.
@@Jake-bt3fc n=1. But good story bro.
Thanks for posting this video. I agree that the quality of the top fakes today is insanely good and you really need to know your stuff if you are not buying from an AD even then there is a risk. I have bought several replica watches and do so without guil
any links for that watch “ asking for a friend”
You won’t regret it! It’s not every day you find a store committed to delivering such high standards on all fronts. Primerolexstore has earned a loyal customer in me!
Exactly! And they have policies in place to ensure you’re confident in your purchase. They made me feel secure in buying a replica, highlighting the craftsmanship and quality.
I think I’ll browse their collection tonight. I love that they go the extra mile with customer experience.
They really do, and the variety they have is impressive. It’s not just about the quality of the replicas; they also replicate the buying experience of high-end stores. I’m sold on the idea.
Oh, nice! I've dealt with stores before that were sketchy and non-responsive after the purchase. Good to know Primerolexstore values customer service.
I love it thanks. Can I make one small request/suggestion? The replica market changes quickly, it's actually pretty fascinating, anyways could you please list the replica factory and model in your video? I do understand the ethical concerns, but the market changes fast and you are probably comparing a model that has already been upgraded, so it's just confusing, anyways thanks!
Just shows you how much we all get bent over and how powerful marketing is in making us all believe it’s worth paying 10k for the real one. It would’ve been interesting to see them both on a timer graph and if there would’ve been any difference there
There are many that have tested it. My clean factory superclone shows -6SD, 284 degrees & 0.1ms on a timer graph. Way better than many gen Rolex pieces fresh out of the AD.
@@blardymunggas6884 isn't your watch illegal and should be turned in to police or destroyed?
@@danielmartini3229 Its illegal only if it is sold as genuine for a genuine price. I bought it 20 times cheaper than the genuine ones.
@@blardymunggas6884 İt is quite surprising. Because a new Rolex should run at +/-2 sec/day, and even you give it +1 sec (my second hand Rolex runs at +3) it is a pretty impressive feat for a mechanical wristwatch.
Now, expecting that level at $1000 price is not realistic.
Even Seiko is far from that accuracy level at this price point. Their movement runs at -15/+25 seconds per day even at their $1200 watches.
So it would be unimaginable for me to think that a no-name faker somewhere in China manages to make a watch way more accurate than Seiko at the same price point, let alone Rolex.
I would honestly doubt the time grapher and measure the accuracy of both fake and genuine over a long enough period of time to see with my own eyes.
@@danielmartini3229 depends where you live. And, by the way, feel free to report him to his police station. LOL. It's always funny when you see these reactions. Feel burnt to have splashed 10k on a watch that has a real value of 1500? Do someone wearing (not trying to sell it as gen!) a rep does any bad to you? Ahahah
Great video, tx. What I take from this is the knowledge that validation requires comparison to an authentic watch.
They always seem too mess-up the speed adjustment parts by visibly adding the beat error part?
Factory watching video to see how they can improve!
99.9% of people haven't even seen the genuine.
The biggest issue isn't the replica. It's making yourself a target for robbery.
not in Eastern Europe
Great video. Besides all the differences you said, I think the fake submariner doesn't have the same water resistance as the real.
I have a tester that goes up to 6bar (60m deep). Mine passed with flying colors... More than enough for me, and since they're both made similarly (steel, rubber, nylon gasket for the crystal, triple lock on the crown) I bet they can do comparably with the gen, which no human even need...
Nor would 99.8 percent of users ever need to question
You are 💯 correct. No where water resistant to a gen .. I have bought many top reps and some have case backs loose. Always spend 200 and have a watch guy service it before water
The thing some people forget is that if you are wearing a $50,000 watch, you'd better have a $50,000 watch attitude, a $50,000 watch haircut, $50,000 watch clothes, $50,000 watch demeanour and $50,000 watch swagger.
At 4:10, compare the sharp triangles at the end of the hour hands, in particular the shape, symmetry, and size of the little white triangles embossed in them - a very obvious difference between real and fake. I can't believe they went to such length to get the font, kerning, and leading of the text to be correct, only to miss on something as obvious as the shape of the relatively simple hour hand.
Scary how well made the fake is!
Where can i get one that out of the clean factory?
Very well made and presented video. What I would have also liked to see, is what is the time-keeping accuracy of the replica, and an estimate of how long it's going to last. If these two parameters are comparable for both watches, then I'd say forget about the original with its minor optical differences.
Excellent breakdown
Excellent. Definitely ordering my Grand Seiko peacock now. At least everyone doesn't immediately assumes it's a fake because 9 out of 10 Rolex in public including red carpet are indeed fake or Frankenstein Submariners.
Bought my GS from a reputable dealer. I KNOW 100% it's legit. The craftsmanship would be near impossible to fake. And yet, I like watching these videos for some reason.
No one even tries to fake a spring drive because it's not possible to fake, unlike Rolex...
You know there's true value in that!
Nice video and I’m with authentic stuff of course, but I totally understand the people who are buying replicas, simple reason: you can’t see one single difference within one foot from the wrist.
is there a site that this watch in the video came from?
I have a replica one, from China. 10 years old, still going strong. Looks so much as the real one, no joke.
Great video, thanks.
Do replicas come in 904L steel too? 😮
Yes they do. Might as well pay 1/15th of a real Rolex price and not worry about it getting stolen.
@@mire4485 but the problem is getting a good quality piece without faults.
@@mire4485lol , yes because the robber will stop to inspect your watch before they stab you 😂. Clown. Or how about you pay 1/15th of the price and get some real and not fake AND not have to worry about getting robbed. Even better. Oh that's right, you're a fake person. My bad.
@@mire4485 I have a friend with 3 genuine Rolex, he has got 3 exact copies of & he wears them instead of the real ones!
Shows you why spending 10 percent for 90 percent of value is actually smart.
If using cheap Chinese tools, having furniture that looks like wood but is actually pressed fiberboard, and eating fake food doesn’t matter to you then go for it, as for me, you only live once and owning good things matter.
Yea support organized crime and slave labor so smart
@@truthserum9157 there's room for both. I'm the biggest watch nerd in the world. Watches are irrational, emotional purchases that don't really do that much. I'm about quality as well, just depends on where you feel the value is worth it to YOU. I spend a lot on quality guns, drums, and tech. Watches, the super reps just make more sense. Not to everyone, but to me.
@@truthserum9157no one asked you
@@cheesychester9647 LOL, touched a nerve did I.
Very well done!!
1. Height of the crystal. 2. Hook welding on the clasp and most telling 3. Weights on the balance wheel.
Great review, well done.
Considering the unique features of the Rolex, acquiring this timepiece involves a different approach than traditional watches. Good thing i have an advisor
Absolutely, investing in luxury watches requires a keen eye for craftsmanship and a long-term perspective.
Please could you recommend one, i would hate to start the hearing meeting the wrong people. Especially in matters like this
CHRIS RYAN STEWART
He act’s fiduciary and i have been using his expertise for years now!
He appears to be well-educated and well-read. I ran a GOOGLE search on his name and came across his website; thank you for sharing.
As someone that owns both a genuine 126610LN and a replica VSF 126610LN superclone I can say that 99.9% of people will not be able to spot the fake. Also to note, anyone that's owned or been around genuine Rolex's knows they are not perfect either. My bezel insert is slightly off to where it does not center up at 12 o'clock on a click. I've seen the rehaut misaligned on genuine watches. Variations in the magnification on the cyclops. Gaps between the bracelet and case. It such that the nuances with fakes kind of mimic the nuances with genuine Rolex's. To really spot the fake requires opening up the case back.
Hi, I am looking a super clone watch but unsure where to purchase…any suggestions?
China
Such a good video, thank you!
Thx , love your channel.
In other words, only buy from dealers in which you have implicit trust, because I would not be able to see the difference without a side by side comparison.
Ive heard the bezel action is worse on the clone. I wonder how it feels
How to check if the bezel is really ceramic?
Where can I buy this copy version?
Tell me about it.
Is there a reliable online site to purchase a good clone?
I too am looking to buy a good Super Clone Rolex but cannot find a reputable dealer.
Most dealers are scammers, take your money and never ship you the watch you bought and paid.
The laser etched crown is drilled to different depths precisely to show it is not a fake.
Thank you
Unpopular comment: Rolex brought alot of this on themselves; if Rolex didn't have such disgusting wait times and queues for wait lists for a chance to buy one day in the future, this wouldn't have happened to such an extreme to have such a high demand for this level of replica in the market.
This is not correct.. Customers willing to pay $1k for a fake, are not waiting for a $10k authentic Submariner.
There are literally RUclips videos of Customers who bought a fake until they could get their hands on a real one@@danieleriksson3170
@@danieleriksson3170 the day rolex treated me like shit walking in their store was the day I decided not to spend even a single dollar on them, so yeah if this *fake* has zero difference from the real thing then they can have all my money
@@danieleriksson3170some are though and that’s a fact. People don’t like being told that their moneys not good enough -you have to wait etc etc The same douchebaggery lost Ferrari a lot of customers.
Its because in Rolex they know human nature. If something is less available it is more and more desirable.
Anyone know where to buy the clones??
Dh gate