Recently picked up a Submariner no date from an AD in Manchester. No purchase history but spent a few grand on jewellery for the wife since putting my name down. Kept in touch with the dealer throughout, just to check in and remind them how keen I was. Got a phone call in just under 8 months. Was expecting to be waiting for a good few years. Fantastic watch and as you say the glide lock function is amazing.
Now is the worst time to purchase a watch. The market will continue to decline for a while. Millions of watches are available with no buyers. Give it a little more time; even that green sub will fall farther. Also, as a vintage collector myself, please don't fall for the ultra-thin vintage trend. Most of those watches are crap. The movements are awful, hard to impossible to service, NEVER keep accurate time, and will break often.
I got my green bezel subby in September having waited three years. I wanted a hulk but after waiting 6 years, they stopped making them and gave me my deposit back. So I joined the wait list for the Starbuck, never expecting a call but Goldsmiths came through and now I have it , at retail! If you want one for yourself, keep waiting, you will get what you want.
Got offered steel submariner from WOS yesterday after a 5 month wait and some purchase history seems like some of these models are indeed approachable now
@@nigeldorman414 maybe its luck if you know your ad well then carry on waiting before this I had waited for 24 months at one of the WOS stores (with a good purchase history) and then cancelled the same with the store went to another WOS told them what happened and they said they would take care of me , I also bought a panerai from them as I wanted one at the same time. 5 months later they called me and I went the next day to pick up. At any point I did not make it an agenda to only buy a Rolex and never demanded or got aggressive just spoke politely and what I felt like
Walked into my local AD with no Rolex spending history in January 2023 and was offered a black sub date…. Picked it up last week after 16 month wait. Thrilled with it and have a 41mm celebration dial coming January next year from same AD
I think things are vastly different in Europe compared with the United States. I purchased a submariner and waited about 2 months before getting the call with zero purchase history.
No doubt there has to be something like that going on. Too many 2024 unworn watches showing up in the gray market. The brand new GMT Bruce Wayne is already on the second hand market. How else could that happen?
You need to understand that Rolex monitors AD sales and have all of their serial numbers . If they saw a flood of watches on the grey market that was sold From a particular AD they would lose the partnership . ADs are not stupid
@@markanthonys625 then how do so many unworn watches immediately end up in the gray market? There’s already unworn GMT Bruce Waynes. They were just released and immediately end up with resellers. There has to be some inside work being done.
@@markanthonys625 fair point, but most of the times, if not always, the SN are masked on the ads, so how would Rolex find out where that watch came from?
After being on 3 different waiting lists for over 2 years. I can promise you if I ever get that phone call. I'm gonna sell that sub, but right in front of the A. D I get it from. I'm gonna ask to use their wifi to sell it to watch finders
I put my name down 2 years ago on the yellow gold blue dial watch , and forgot I did that , got a email from Rolex Harrods saying the watch is now available for me to purchase , I turned it down as I didn’t want it anymore as I purchased a different gold brand watch . Felt weird turning down a Rolex 🤣🤣🤣
Watchfinder has lowered what they pay for a Submariner recently to £8500 Brendan 👍🏼 that’s what they told me last week anyway. It maybe different this week. They are chancers after all.
That's a lot more than I thought they would offer tbh. I assume that's for one picked up straight from the AD. The sooner the offer rate drops below MSRP the sooner the waiting lists disappear.
I agree with your view on the Yachtmaster. Why pay £10,500 in the grey market for a S/S Submariner when you can buy a New S/S Yachtmaster from an AD for £10,500. It’s a much classier underrated watch.
I went into a Rolex AD in Paris last September and looked at the Submariner range. The lady was very nice, very welcoming and thanked me for asking to buy the LV or the black basic non date Sub. I had it all in writing and my reason for wanting to buy. She assured me it would be no issue but I would have to wait some time. Well I heard nothing from them since even though I put all my details in their Ipad registration system. Not a dicky bird.
Your mistake is two-fold: 1. Only registering with one AD; and 2. Visiting ADs in highly populated cities with lots of wealthy people. Both are going to seriously reduce your chances, where ultimately the AD will sell the watch to those they like. It is unfortunately a popularity contest for the more coveted timepieces. You should therefore: 1. Register at multiple ADs - and all around the world (assuming you travel a lot) - ensuring they are not all owned by the same group 2. Register with independent ADs who are not part of a larger parent company, where they are more likely to have stricter sales targets and so more likely to sell you the watch 3. Try and visit smaller cities/towns and register at ADs there where there is far lower population and fewer wealthy people to compete with.
For a bigger guy looking for a steel submariner date, I would recommend you should also have a look at a Sea-dweller 43 (126600). About the same price as a grey market submariner date for a more superior tool watch from a Rolex AD with a much shorter wait list. And actually less than retail from a grey market dealer for one over a year old. Interesting perspective though on the Yachtmaster from Brendan. Especially if that Sea-dweller too big and you want a one watch does all. It’s personal taste but for me YM a bit more dressy and more exclusive than the submariner in terms of not seeing so many around.
I would pay more than grey market for the piece of mind that my watch is 100% genuine. I think it would be a horrible to own an all gold rolex bought from the grey market for a few thousand less thinking is this watch a fake or messed with then 4-8 years on it goes to the RSC for service, when I get it back with 2 year RSC warranty would I have piece of mind. What if RSC rejects it and says it's Frankenstein or Fake will the grey market dealer admit to selling you that watch?
This is how it’s always going to be with Rolex. It is what it is. If you really want one that bad and you can’t wait yes go Gray Market from a reputable source. If you just want an amazing watch to wear go get an Omega but if you have to have a Rolex nothing else will scratch that itch.
I would pay more than grey market for the piece of mind that my watch is 100% genuine. I think it would be a horrible to own an all gold rolex bought from the grey market for a few thousand less thinking is this watch a fake or messed with then 4-8 years on it goes to the RSC for service, when I get it back with 2 year RSC warranty would I have piece of mind. What if RSC rejects it and says it's Frankenstein or Fake will the grey market dealer admit to selling you that watch?
I picked up a Submariner Bluesey after waiting 6 months in 2023. Both full yellow gold versions have been on the window of my local AD in recent months. Due to having a very good spend history with my AD (I’m not a flipper, I buy watches to enjoy), they registered me for the Starbucks last week and think it should not be too long before I receive it. I’m also registered for a GMT Master II Pepsi and two tone Daytona. About 3 weeks ago I picked up a GMT Master II Zombie from the AD window, no waiting list at all
When see anyone with a Rolex these days, the very first thing that comes to mind is if it's a fake. Doesn't matter how well they're dressed, the company they're wit, the cars they drive, or the large tip they're giving.
What is generally considered a purchasing history with an AD? Is one watch enough or are we talking mutiple purchases over a significant period of time?
I actually got offered two within a month. I wasn’t in the country for the first one and another two weeks went past and they offered me another one. Shame I’m not around that AD anymore as I’d have really liked a Polar Explorer II or a Batman. I’ll wait as long as I need, I won’t go grey unless it’s an under list watch.
I was fortunate to have been offered a Submariner 124060 from my AD after a 4 month wait in Oct 2021 - I did have prior purchase history with a Tudor and Omega purchase. Was very happy to have purchased my Sub for £6,450 then. Since then I expressed interest in an Explorer 1 and was offered one after 7 month wait. So it is possible to build a relationship with your AD and be offered a SS Rolex.
If I had a pound for everytime I’ve heard you won’t get a Starbucks Sub or Panda Daytona from an AD I’d be rich. I bought my first Sub in 2020 during the pandemic and don’t have a massive spend history but I have within 3years got both watches. I’m interested though why you say the green bezel Sub isn’t worth MSRP when you can’t get one supposedly? Just to note I’ve not flipped any of the three stainless steel sports watches I have bought.
60 to 70% of people that buy a Rolex will get it on credit. Around 8 months ago a Rolex dealer up North in the UK was selling solid gold Rolexs, and I walked in for a chat. And ask about a solid gold GMT Rolex about pricing. The sales guy said that he could offer me a discount for it. 3% of list. 8 month later I think most Rolex AD are struggling to sell sold gold watches. And solid gold Rolex is like brick on your wrist. And you still see in the shop windows (for display only). Good luck to the ADs
I believe two tone subs in long run will be winners because you paid for precious material not the demand. As gold price rises, value of of watch does the same.
Love your honest approach! I don’t doubt anything you say but today I went to my local Rolex ad after they called me to pop in. I’ve been on the waiting list for a Rolex sports watch gtm or sub for almost 5 years. I was told nothing was available to buy and I don’t have enough purchase history to get a Rolex sports watch (even after waiting nearly 5 years) I was told though in a hushed voice if I was to buy 5/6 other brands Tag, Omega then I would be considered. Sounds like blackmail to me!? Are ad really like that? Confused and annoyed!
Very interesting. Regarding YM's, I think the Oysterflex versions (40 Everose and 42 WG) do come with a slightly shorter version of the Glidelock. (Can anyone confirm this?) Also, can you do the same video topic on the GMT Master II? Cheers!
Great information for someone who knows nothing but is looking to purchase such as myself. I do like the blue 2 tone submariner at least you know you are getting gold in it rather than just stainless steel for the price.
@BrendanBoswell I thought I could just walk into a rolex shop and buy a watch until I started watching your videos 🤣. My watch buying experience is probably picking up a citizen from argos I have found a jewellers local to me in the north West called miltons seem reasonable but I will do a bit more research. Thanks 👍
Yup, I came to the same conclusion you did about the YM. It looks better than a chunky Submariner and you get your money's worth with the Rhodium and Platinum. If I were to buy another Rolex, it would be all 18K gold. There is nothing special about steel.
After being on my Australian Rolex AD’s EOI list for 2 years for a green OP41, it dawned on me that this has been costing me real money. I have kept the AU$10k RRP price aside in my zero interest transaction account, while if I had kept the cash in a 1yr 5% term deposit account for 2 years, I could have earned AU$1k. Also in that 2 years the cost of the watch has risen by 12%. I am embarrassed for myself that I have fallen for Rolex’s silly charade, for some stupid trinket that I don’t need. I contacted the AD and asked them to remove my name from their ridiculous list. Never again am I going to play the game as set out by some marketing strategist in a far away land. I really am ashamed of my stupidity and gullibility.
I waited just under 3 years for my Sub, which I recently collected. Had previously traded something in with the AD so they did know me somewhat. Was happy to wait, and popped in every 3 months to say hi before getting the call.
@@BrendanBoswell the watch market is in a weird spot right now you want to buy a watch from the AD but you have to be careful because that same watch is cheaper on the grey market
I was just offered the the Green bezel Sub ref 126610LV from my AD yesterday. No spend history at all but did put my name down for it about 9 months ago. I would just go in about every 6 weeks and talk with my rep at the AD. Seems to have paid off IMO
I don't have a Submariner but I'd go for the old 16610 any day over these. That simply has the classic Submariner look with the spiky crown guards and all that. Much better looking than the new ones which are ok but look more like a Breitling Superocean. Cheers.
I love My 40mm Yachtmaster Rhodium and I agree with you on it. BUT I am in the market now for either a new sub or a 16610 2007-2010 specifically. Why? Because though I think the yachtmaster is stunning and the one of the underrated watches in the collection I do not feel like it’s the best everyday wear watch. I wear it quite a bit but at times when I’m Bumming around the house and have to spring up to possibly do a mundane chore I don’t want it on. It’s polished quite a bit and it’s not exactly a rugged tool watch. Though expensive I would wear the sub on an oyster flex bracelet and never take it off during 95% of my daily tasks.
Tried on a sub no date in a random AD before. The clasp is very long for a 41mm watch and feels much bigger because of it. It is the only sports Rolex you can get walk in and honestly prefer certain Black Bay models. They should get rid of the sub clasp and use the GMT II clasp. Yacht Master is probably much more comfortable to wear than a sub.
Can get a 20024 sub date for has little has £11500 on chrono 24 I paid 13k in 2022 for a 2020 126610ln, ffs I feel gutted now, them greedy bastards up in jesmond
So it's cost you £3 a day to own, so what that's, half a pint of beer in a nice bar? A supermarket sandwich? A can of Redbull in a motorway service station. Hardly life changing is it? And you've had the watch. Who wouldn't pay £3 a day to own a Submariner?
Never check Chrono24 for prices. It's not realistic nor are those sale prices, they are (absurd) list prices. Check watchcollecting instead where there is actual ENDED auctions of Rolex's. The real sale price of a modern Sub is between £8-9k - that's £2.5-£3.5k lower than your expectations based on the clown website of Chrono24. It also means flipping the watch will net you a loss or something close to zero. My guess is for the next several years, the "entry level" or most affordable sports watches will flatline in price on the grey/used market. They won't lose value, but they won't go up in value either.
@@liquid_metal auctions are one thing, Chrono24 retailed, guaranteed gen is something else. Click, click, click, wait, wear. And they do sell watches, they may not be the cheapest but they do sell watches. Just like the £20k Daytona that I saw bought in Berry's in Nottingham the other week. Could he have bought it for less elsewhere? Yes, there is identical on eBay for
Brendon I think I like you yacht master as much as my 126711CHNR. My daily is my oyster 126300 blue baton dial but heading into town and weekend my rootbeer gets worn and this watch is special and makes me feel special. I certainly would never pay silly grey prices for any steel rolex, your advice is spot on get on the list for a non flipper 2 tone. Another watch I don't get is the titanium YT why pay all that money for a watch with no weight in it? Its not only the look of the rootbeer that make it special its the extra weight.
I was just blessed with a brand new 24 sea dweller gold and I’m I love with it ! Much better than those over priced steel submariners and GMT II’s although I do like the Wayne and batgirl colors
It is possible to buy a steel Submariner Date straight out of an AD, only you need a Tardis. Back in 2015 you could do it - and even buy a Hulk out of the window for £6,000. Think of that Flippers - six grand brand new.
You’re bang on with your advice. I also have a yachtmaster steel & gold bracelet, white dial. Bought 17 years ago. Absolutely love it. Goes with casual or formal dress. I don’t even wear my 1978 steel sub which sits in my safe since a full service.
True regarding Bluesy, walked in with no buying history 2 weeks ago, was offered a brand new one on the spot. Asked to try on other brands, didn't say I preferred the Bluesy over them but was openly told it's for sale.
My Rolex AD in Melbourne Oz suggested I nominate 3 watches to reduce wait time and don’t bother with the popular ones. So OP 41 green, Explorer 40 and Air King in that order. I actually like all 3 for different reasons. And being a stubborn bolshi pr1ck, I refuse to reward a55hole flippers on the grey.
20 & 25 a year?! If true that is absolutely ridiculous! That's nothing! Aren't the AD's in business to make money?! You would think they would need to sell hundreds per year!
Owning the 124060 along my Speedmaster 3861 I kinda don't feel pressure for anything else. I love the clean looks and symmetry of the Sub... Absolute stunner.
I bought two Rolex watches and waited 10 months for my Starbucks. Waiting for a Pepsi and or Daytona white dial. Let’s see how long I have to wait now…. Lol
Just picked up an DJ41 stainless steel, jubilee fluted bezel with a mint green dial. Lovely watch and registered for an OP41 green dial they had on one displayed only 😂 likely a customer watch but classic a lovely watch.
He’s been saying the only true way to get a legit Rolex is at the AD. But if you cannot resist pulling the trigger now, then the only option is grey, and he’s warning you of the dangers of it.
I totally disagree with you Brendan. I picked up the Rolex Starbucks Feb 2024. It took me 2 and a half years to get it. I have not bought nothing that I did not want. In fact I bought a Date just 41 black dial fluted bezel jubilee bracelet, in 2018. 6 months wait time. 2021 Rolex Batgirl, a year and a half wait., 2023 green op 41, about I year wait then the Starbucks. In fact I only have bought Rolex from this AD. I am on the Daytona wait list for the polar dial. Will I get it absolutely. It will take time but I will get one. Just put my name on the explore 40m, and the polar 42. It’s all about the relationship you have with your ad. I have had to deal with new employees as people have left the store. But this did not affect me in getting other Rolex models. The Ad has to like you and if they see you are genuine, and like me have great knowledge on different watch brands in goes a long way. There are lots of people like me who do get the Rolex watches that they want.
This video is for a new Customer to a Rolex AD. I’m unsure how you can Totally disagree with it! You have a relationship and a previous buy history a completely different video.
The other thing to consider in this financial analysis is the effect of the annual price increase. Gold isn’t getting any cheaper, ask any jeweller. Taking into account annual price rises Rolex will want to£4,650 more in 5 years time for a two tone Sub. In only 7 years time they’ll be north of 20 grand. If you’re buying to keep and planning to perhaps sell in a few years that will influence what your watch is worth. This guy is on about walking out of the AD and immediately selling - or is this a flipper channel? This is the era of the genuine enthusiasts being able to buy what they want and hold on to the watch. Flipper parasites who can’t get out of the watch fast enough have largely vanished.
Sounds like this really is all dependent on where you are based. Claiming they are taking the piss by putting your name in for a Starbucks is a bit strong. Maybe the UK is having a hard time, in the US the wait was 9months ish….
@@BrendanBoswell did you say it was your experience or fact that they are taking the piss and the lists closed years Ago…guess it doesn’t matter. Seems like this is just a place to shit talk rather than offer impartial advice.
I own the YM 40 blue. You are so right they are so comfortable on the wrist enjoy it way more than my sub I used to own. This is a very underrated watch been saying it for years.
Nice vid and thanks for the research and effort put in. Not sure I know what is low or high price for a Rolex watch anymore, I believe Rolex best days are behind them. I do know about pricing and marketing and If those watches are selling at all at any price band it's because there are still suckers out there and it does not matter any amount of wisdom you want to inject upon them. My advise to the wannabees choose a different watch brand that's not so hyped but has good credentials and forget about replicas don't be so cheap!!
Mine is a 1967 5513. Tritium, domed plexiglass, rivets, stylish crown guards, patina, lug holes, under the radar, primitive clasp, the works. Not that 2024 showoff jewelry.
I will keep my pops 5500 14k gold 1975 I recall the yr works great and gold Air king no date its fine love it got it service last yr box and service papers at dealer over my pops having it since new . I have a new a nice after market high end band and the gold stock band came with the watch . I will be buying a new Tudor watch lot less cost and swiss and like the black bay to use everyday and I have a 4 yr old Steinhart . Pop left me the air king 1975 yr use that for special times . Wow Rolex cost so much very nice made out of my price. Thanks for the info
People are so stupid to pay that much for a stainless steel watch. I build my own homage watch and call it something else. Similar quality for a fraction of the price..
No wait list. How exciting!!! Does that mean you don't have to form a phony friendship with the dealer, buy additional jewelry that you don't need or want, submit to questioning and background checks, and "dance" for the dealer in the hopes of being found worthy to spend $10,000 for a stainless steel watch?
You are wasting your money on any sub. If you need a real diving watch, the sea dweller is the one to go to. She has many features above the outdated sub.😅
Bought my gold day date in 1996 with 25% discount from AD……those were the days!!!
Yep, got a Hulk new at AD for 20% off. No tax (out of state AD). TIMES HAVE CHANGED!
I remember seeing Daytonas on sale too back in the day, and not just the two tone but steel as well
Back in 2000, I had to wait 2 months to get an SS Daytona white face. The cost was £3350 from my local Rolex AD.
How times have changed.
You should have gotten 2 lol
Recently picked up a Submariner no date from an AD in Manchester. No purchase history but spent a few grand on jewellery for the wife since putting my name down. Kept in touch with the dealer throughout, just to check in and remind them how keen I was. Got a phone call in just under 8 months. Was expecting to be waiting for a good few years. Fantastic watch and as you say the glide lock function is amazing.
Fantastic win, so purchase history includes Jewellery, To get a sub as a first was brilliant. ☘️
I just picked up the same watch from a bucherer location. Two months. No purchase. I think they released a bunch recently.
I bought mine from AD Manchester It was in 2019 no history one week I got the call 🤙
That’s exactly how to do it 👍🏻
Sad purchase for sad people with the personality of cardboard...
Now is the worst time to purchase a watch. The market will continue to decline for a while. Millions of watches are available with no buyers. Give it a little more time; even that green sub will fall farther. Also, as a vintage collector myself, please don't fall for the ultra-thin vintage trend. Most of those watches are crap. The movements are awful, hard to impossible to service, NEVER keep accurate time, and will break often.
Agree. Rolex became a stimulus check buy. The price will lower the worse things get.
The ponzi scheme called Rolex is finally blowing up.
I managed to get a 2021 Sub (no date) in great condition for just over £8k… was this a good deal? Most of the others I see are all in excess of £9k
Watches are not investments. Yes, money can be made on a flip from msrp but theres no return long term on 99.99% on watches.
Do you mean that retail price will go down or gray market? Cheers
I got my green bezel subby in September having waited three years. I wanted a hulk but after waiting 6 years, they stopped making them and gave me my deposit back. So I joined the wait list for the Starbuck, never expecting a call but Goldsmiths came through and now I have it , at retail! If you want one for yourself, keep waiting, you will get what you want.
Got offered steel submariner from WOS yesterday after a 5 month wait and some purchase history seems like some of these models are indeed approachable now
I’m at 13 Months and still waiting at WoS with purchase history for a sub
@@nigeldorman414 maybe its luck if you know your ad well then carry on waiting before this I had waited for 24 months at one of the WOS stores (with a good purchase history) and then cancelled the same with the store went to another WOS told them what happened and they said they would take care of me , I also bought a panerai from them as I wanted one at the same time. 5 months later they called me and I went the next day to pick up.
At any point I did not make it an agenda to only buy a Rolex and never demanded or got aggressive just spoke politely and what I felt like
Walked into my local AD with no Rolex spending history in January 2023 and was offered a black sub date…. Picked it up last week after 16 month wait. Thrilled with it and have a 41mm celebration dial coming January next year from same AD
I keep reading what you put, but it doesn’t make sense. How did they offer you one in Jan 23 and then you picked it up 16 months later ?
I think things are vastly different in Europe compared with the United States. I purchased a submariner and waited about 2 months before getting the call with zero purchase history.
An holiday to America is coming 😂😂🍀
I think the biggest FLIPPER ARE THE AD’s them selfs
No doubt there has to be something like that going on. Too many 2024 unworn watches showing up in the gray market. The brand new GMT Bruce Wayne is already on the second hand market. How else could that happen?
You need to understand that Rolex monitors AD sales and have all of their serial numbers . If they saw a flood of watches on the grey market that was sold From a particular AD they would lose the partnership . ADs are not stupid
@@markanthonys625 then how do so many unworn watches immediately end up in the gray market? There’s already unworn GMT Bruce Waynes. They were just released and immediately end up with resellers. There has to be some inside work being done.
@@markanthonys625 fair point, but most of the times, if not always, the SN are masked on the ads, so how would Rolex find out where that watch came from?
Can't blame them. Why sell a watch for MSRP when it'll go just as quickly for even more?
It took 13 months for me to get a sub no date at an AD in SoCal last year.
I just put my name on list for a yacht master 40mm rhodium do you think I should just wait till grey market (for a new) is below retail?
What Country?
After being on 3 different waiting lists for over 2 years. I can promise you if I ever get that phone call. I'm gonna sell that sub, but right in front of the A. D I get it from. I'm gonna ask to use their wifi to sell it to watch finders
lmao!!
Waited 7 months for my 2023 Sub Date, here in the USA. Purchased it for $10,250.00 US ... Gray market value is high 13k - 15k dollars. Winning!
I put my name down 2 years ago on the yellow gold blue dial watch , and forgot I did that , got a email from Rolex Harrods saying the watch is now available for me to purchase , I turned it down as I didn’t want it anymore as I purchased a different gold brand watch . Felt weird turning down a Rolex 🤣🤣🤣
That’s Harrods Department ☘️☘️☘️ You Are A Superstar Getting A Call And Passing On It 🫡
Nice to know Harrod at least uses thier list, others take your name down and toss it in the trash as soon as you leave
Thank you, in terms of value would you choose a sub no date over a date? Thanks
Both versions are good for that, they swop and change in value but the consistency is 1k on both atm
@@BrendanBoswell thank you
Watchfinder has lowered what they pay for a Submariner recently to £8500 Brendan 👍🏼 that’s what they told me last week anyway. It maybe different this week. They are chancers after all.
That's a lot more than I thought they would offer tbh. I assume that's for one picked up straight from the AD. The sooner the offer rate drops below MSRP the sooner the waiting lists disappear.
I’ve a good friend who was offered 1k above For both last week. They offer different rates per days and by customer it’s a stock market ☘️😂
I agree with your view on the Yachtmaster. Why pay £10,500 in the grey market for a S/S Submariner when you can buy a New S/S Yachtmaster from an AD for £10,500. It’s a much classier underrated watch.
😂
I went into a Rolex AD in Paris last September and looked at the Submariner range. The lady was very nice, very welcoming and thanked me for asking to buy the LV or the black basic non date Sub. I had it all in writing and my reason for wanting to buy. She assured me it would be no issue but I would have to wait some time. Well I heard nothing from them since even though I put all my details in their Ipad registration system. Not a dicky bird.
Two different Golds Smiths treated me the same on a Tudor!!!. Absolute piss take.
Your mistake is two-fold: 1. Only registering with one AD; and 2. Visiting ADs in highly populated cities with lots of wealthy people.
Both are going to seriously reduce your chances, where ultimately the AD will sell the watch to those they like. It is unfortunately a popularity contest for the more coveted timepieces.
You should therefore: 1. Register at multiple ADs - and all around the world (assuming you travel a lot) - ensuring they are not all owned by the same group 2. Register with independent ADs who are not part of a larger parent company, where they are more likely to have stricter sales targets and so more likely to sell you the watch 3. Try and visit smaller cities/towns and register at ADs there where there is far lower population and fewer wealthy people to compete with.
For a bigger guy looking for a steel submariner date, I would recommend you should also have a look at a Sea-dweller 43 (126600). About the same price as a grey market submariner date for a more superior tool watch from a Rolex AD with a much shorter wait list. And actually less than retail from a grey market dealer for one over a year old. Interesting perspective though on the Yachtmaster from Brendan. Especially if that Sea-dweller too big and you want a one watch does all. It’s personal taste but for me YM a bit more dressy and more exclusive than the submariner in terms of not seeing so many around.
I would pay more than grey market for the piece of mind that my watch is 100% genuine. I think it would be a horrible to own an all gold rolex bought from the grey market for a few thousand less thinking is this watch a fake or messed with then 4-8 years on it goes to the RSC for service, when I get it back with 2 year RSC warranty would I have piece of mind. What if RSC rejects it and says it's Frankenstein or Fake will the grey market dealer admit to selling you that watch?
This is how it’s always going to be with Rolex. It is what it is. If you really want one that bad and you can’t wait yes go Gray Market from a reputable source. If you just want an amazing watch to wear go get an Omega but if you have to have a Rolex nothing else will scratch that itch.
I would pay more than grey market for the piece of mind that my watch is 100% genuine. I think it would be a horrible to own an all gold rolex bought from the grey market for a few thousand less thinking is this watch a fake or messed with then 4-8 years on it goes to the RSC for service, when I get it back with 2 year RSC warranty would I have piece of mind. What if RSC rejects it and says it's Frankenstein or Fake will the grey market dealer admit to selling you that watch?
I picked up a Submariner Bluesey after waiting 6 months in 2023. Both full yellow gold versions have been on the window of my local AD in recent months. Due to having a very good spend history with my AD (I’m not a flipper, I buy watches to enjoy), they registered me for the Starbucks last week and think it should not be too long before I receive it. I’m also registered for a GMT Master II Pepsi and two tone Daytona. About 3 weeks ago I picked up a GMT Master II Zombie from the AD window, no waiting list at all
Shall have to Google the Zombie GMT 😅
@@sensational_cellar8606 AKA Guinness
When see anyone with a Rolex these days, the very first thing that comes to mind is if it's a fake. Doesn't matter how well they're dressed, the company they're wit, the cars they drive, or the large tip they're giving.
many people I know have the rolex at home and wear a super clone daily- especially in central London where robberies are prevalent
@@jh6273 You're lying
@@Akonw88 not at all why would I . Very common for people to have clone to wear to London.
What is generally considered a purchasing history with an AD? Is one watch enough or are we talking mutiple purchases over a significant period of time?
I'm interested in a sprite price come down hard on those almost affordable on secondary now!
I wonder what the wait would be on the yellow gold two tone GMT?
2 to 6 months tops atm
Respectfully , you’re incorrect on the 2-tone ‘Bluesey’. I’ve been waiting 4 months. It’s not available at my AD.
Why would you play AD games when they're under MSRP on the secondary market?
I got a bluesy after two weeks last year with no history.
@@leeburton1986In UK or some where else？ if in UK can you tell me which AD thank you
Reach out to me on instagram if yours serious!
I actually got offered two within a month. I wasn’t in the country for the first one and another two weeks went past and they offered me another one. Shame I’m not around that AD anymore as I’d have really liked a Polar Explorer II or a Batman. I’ll wait as long as I need, I won’t go grey unless it’s an under list watch.
I was fortunate to have been offered a Submariner 124060 from my AD after a 4 month wait in Oct 2021 - I did have prior purchase history with a Tudor and Omega purchase. Was very happy to have purchased my Sub for £6,450 then.
Since then I expressed interest in an Explorer 1 and was offered one after 7 month wait. So it is possible to build a relationship with your AD and be offered a SS Rolex.
Had the rhodium yachtmaster, & it’s a stunner … but it scratches very easily
Had to sell it last year to purchase a property , & I miss it badly
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If I had a pound for everytime I’ve heard you won’t get a Starbucks Sub or Panda Daytona from an AD I’d be rich.
I bought my first Sub in 2020 during the pandemic and don’t have a massive spend history but I have within 3years got both watches.
I’m interested though why you say the green bezel Sub isn’t worth MSRP when you can’t get one supposedly?
Just to note I’ve not flipped any of the three stainless steel sports watches I have bought.
Hi, were your purchases in the UK, & if so, which town?
I acquired my submariner after only a 3 week wait. I live in Houston TX, just keep trying every one. Good luck all.
Did you have previous history at the AD?
Great vid. Where’d you get the cool Rolex wall art?
Omega no Rolex
60 to 70% of people that buy a Rolex will get it on credit.
Around 8 months ago a Rolex dealer up North in the UK was selling solid gold Rolexs, and I walked in for a chat.
And ask about a solid gold GMT Rolex about pricing.
The sales guy said that he could offer me a discount for it.
3% of list.
8 month later I think most Rolex AD are struggling to sell sold gold watches.
And solid gold Rolex is like brick on your wrist.
And you still see in the shop windows (for display only).
Good luck to the ADs
I believe two tone subs in long run will be winners because you paid for precious material not the demand. As gold price rises, value of of watch does the same.
Love your honest approach! I don’t doubt anything you say but today I went to my local Rolex ad after they called me to pop in. I’ve been on the waiting list for a Rolex sports watch gtm or sub for almost 5 years. I was told nothing was available to buy and I don’t have enough purchase history to get a Rolex sports watch (even after waiting nearly 5 years) I was told though in a hushed voice if I was to buy 5/6 other brands Tag, Omega then I would be considered.
Sounds like blackmail to me!? Are ad really like that? Confused and annoyed!
Where are you located?
Very interesting. Regarding YM's, I think the Oysterflex versions (40 Everose and 42 WG) do come with a slightly shorter version of the Glidelock. (Can anyone confirm this?) Also, can you do the same video topic on the GMT Master II? Cheers!
It’s done, ready to go! ☘️
Great information for someone who knows nothing but is looking to purchase such as myself.
I do like the blue 2 tone submariner at least you know you are getting gold in it rather than just stainless steel for the price.
Beautiful watch☘️🫡
@BrendanBoswell I thought I could just walk into a rolex shop and buy a watch until I started watching your videos 🤣.
My watch buying experience is probably picking up a citizen from argos I have found a jewellers local to me in the north West called miltons seem reasonable but I will do a bit more research.
Thanks 👍
@soupdragon1 I can get you that watch on your wrist if you want my help! I’m on instagram
@BrendanBoswell Thankyou Brendan that's the one that's stood out to me at the moment I will head over to your instagram.
Yup, I came to the same conclusion you did about the YM. It looks better than a chunky Submariner and you get your money's worth with the Rhodium and Platinum. If I were to buy another Rolex, it would be all 18K gold. There is nothing special about steel.
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After being on my Australian Rolex AD’s EOI list for 2 years for a green OP41, it dawned on me that this has been costing me real money. I have kept the AU$10k RRP price aside in my zero interest transaction account, while if I had kept the cash in a 1yr 5% term deposit account for 2 years, I could have earned AU$1k. Also in that 2 years the cost of the watch has risen by 12%. I am embarrassed for myself that I have fallen for Rolex’s silly charade, for some stupid trinket that I don’t need. I contacted the AD and asked them to remove my name from their ridiculous list. Never again am I going to play the game as set out by some marketing strategist in a far away land. I really am ashamed of my stupidity and gullibility.
It always amazes me how much beauty and precision are added to the parts of MaMaCoo 's watch 99% of people will never see.
Great video as always. How long do you think I would wait for a Sub no date having purchased a DJ41 with AD?
Get them to tell you the truth! They already know ☘️
I waited just under 3 years for my Sub, which I recently collected. Had previously traded something in with the AD so they did know me somewhat. Was happy to wait, and popped in every 3 months to say hi before getting the call.
I got offered a yellow gold day date 40 with black stick dial yesterday at the AD I turned it down
Wise ☘️
@@BrendanBoswell the watch market is in a weird spot right now you want to buy a watch from the AD but you have to be careful because that same watch is cheaper on the grey market
Got a Green dial sub after a 8 month wait at my AD I am friendly with them though
I was just offered the the Green bezel Sub ref 126610LV from my AD yesterday. No spend history at all but did put my name down for it about 9 months ago. I would just go in about every 6 weeks and talk with my rep at the AD. Seems to have paid off IMO
Fantastic news, lucky you ☘️
I don't have a Submariner but I'd go for the old 16610 any day over these. That simply has the classic Submariner look with the spiky crown guards and all that. Much better looking than the new ones which are ok but look more like a Breitling Superocean. Cheers.
I’ve an older submariner too beautiful watch ☘️
I love My 40mm Yachtmaster Rhodium and I agree with you on it. BUT I am in the market now for either a new sub or a 16610 2007-2010 specifically. Why? Because though I think the yachtmaster is stunning and the one of the underrated watches in the collection I do not feel like it’s the best everyday wear watch. I wear it quite a bit but at times when I’m
Bumming around the house and have to spring up to possibly do a mundane chore I don’t want it on. It’s polished quite a bit and it’s not exactly a rugged tool watch. Though expensive I would wear the sub on an oyster flex bracelet and never take it off during 95% of my daily tasks.
Tried on a sub no date in a random AD before. The clasp is very long for a 41mm watch and feels much bigger because of it.
It is the only sports Rolex you can get walk in and honestly prefer certain Black Bay models.
They should get rid of the sub clasp and use the GMT II clasp.
Yacht Master is probably much more comfortable to wear than a sub.
Explorer's are also available walk-in with some (not all) ADs. It's luck.
Can get a 20024 sub date for has little has £11500 on chrono 24 I paid 13k in 2022 for a 2020 126610ln, ffs I feel gutted now, them greedy bastards up in jesmond
So it's cost you £3 a day to own, so what that's, half a pint of beer in a nice bar? A supermarket sandwich? A can of Redbull in a motorway service station.
Hardly life changing is it?
And you've had the watch. Who wouldn't pay £3 a day to own a Submariner?
Never check Chrono24 for prices. It's not realistic nor are those sale prices, they are (absurd) list prices. Check watchcollecting instead where there is actual ENDED auctions of Rolex's.
The real sale price of a modern Sub is between £8-9k - that's £2.5-£3.5k lower than your expectations based on the clown website of Chrono24.
It also means flipping the watch will net you a loss or something close to zero.
My guess is for the next several years, the "entry level" or most affordable sports watches will flatline in price on the grey/used market. They won't lose value, but they won't go up in value either.
@@liquid_metal auctions are one thing, Chrono24 retailed, guaranteed gen is something else. Click, click, click, wait, wear.
And they do sell watches, they may not be the cheapest but they do sell watches.
Just like the £20k Daytona that I saw bought in Berry's in Nottingham the other week. Could he have bought it for less elsewhere? Yes, there is identical on eBay for
Brendon I think I like you yacht master as much as my 126711CHNR. My daily is my oyster 126300 blue baton dial but heading into town and weekend my rootbeer gets worn and this watch is special and makes me feel special. I certainly would never pay silly grey prices for any steel rolex, your advice is spot on get on the list for a non flipper 2 tone.
Another watch I don't get is the titanium YT why pay all that money for a watch with no weight in it? Its not only the look of the rootbeer that make it special its the extra weight.
I was just blessed with a brand new 24 sea dweller gold and I’m I love with it ! Much better than those over priced steel submariners and GMT II’s although I do like the Wayne and batgirl colors
It is possible to buy a steel Submariner Date straight out of an AD, only you need a Tardis. Back in 2015 you could do it - and even buy a Hulk out of the window for £6,000. Think of that Flippers - six grand brand new.
You’re bang on with your advice. I also have a yachtmaster steel & gold bracelet, white dial. Bought 17 years ago. Absolutely love it. Goes with casual or formal dress. I don’t even wear my 1978 steel sub which sits in my safe since a full service.
I’m focusing myself to wear my 5 digit sub now, I like you kept it in the safe for too long.
Yep. I got my 126621 black dial and I'm done! fantastic watch.
True regarding Bluesy, walked in with no buying history 2 weeks ago, was offered a brand new one on the spot.
Asked to try on other brands, didn't say I preferred the Bluesy over them but was openly told it's for sale.
I was offered the white gold Sub at my AD just last week. $42,000….way out of my price range…lol.
My Rolex AD in Melbourne Oz suggested I nominate 3 watches to reduce wait time and don’t bother with the popular ones. So OP 41 green, Explorer 40 and Air King in that order. I actually like all 3 for different reasons. And being a stubborn bolshi pr1ck, I refuse to reward a55hole flippers on the grey.
Well they seem to be offering the steel submariner to most people after 3-4 years on the waitlist! You can get them if you patience!
20 & 25 a year?! If true that is absolutely ridiculous! That's nothing! Aren't the AD's in business to make money?! You would think they would need to sell hundreds per year!
I wonder at what point you will get a discount off retail at an AD.
Rolex too savoy for that, Omega 💯 yes, Rolex No ☘️
Picked up my Bruce Wayne on oyster 3 weeks ago ave it has made the rest of my collection redundant
I’ve been looking for a Tudor Black Bay 54 for ages, suddenly all the AD’s have them. Something is certainly going on. 🤓
Owning the 124060 along my Speedmaster 3861 I kinda don't feel pressure for anything else. I love the clean looks and symmetry of the Sub... Absolute stunner.
nah; the submariner is the most boring looking watch in the universe.
@@Ge0rGi. ok
Got a 126610LV green one within 6 months of waiting with a little spend history
Buddy i am so curious, what about you doing a State of the Collection video
At some point definitely 👍 ☘️
I bought two Rolex watches and waited 10 months for my Starbucks. Waiting for a Pepsi and or Daytona white dial. Let’s see how long I have to wait now…. Lol
Why does no one want the gold or two tones then? Just because they are more expensive?
Hi Brendan it seams strange when I go into a AD and offer them a part ex which would be of any interest to them then they welcome you with open arms.
Brendan, we need to see more ZENITH, IWC, GRAND SEIKO at the 4-8K budget..
2 year wait for me for a Sub date picked it up October 23.
Fantastic just before the Jan increase!
I’ve seen no date subs 2022/23 going on eBay for 9k box and papers.
The Swiss Link has several ☘️
Just picked up an DJ41 stainless steel, jubilee fluted bezel with a mint green dial. Lovely watch and registered for an OP41 green dial they had on one displayed only 😂 likely a customer watch but classic a lovely watch.
Good choice!
Go grey? Wasn’t it only the other week you were telling us the grey market was infiltrated with clones???
I’m arming you with information! Why so negative?
Turn that frown upside down
He’s been saying the only true way to get a legit Rolex is at the AD. But if you cannot resist pulling the trigger now, then the only option is grey, and he’s warning you of the dangers of it.
You are a good listener ☘️🫡
£8k is a tough pill to swallow for a basic, no date steel sports watch
Looking forward to the GMT upload!
I totally disagree with you Brendan. I picked up the Rolex Starbucks Feb 2024. It took me 2 and a half years to get it. I have not bought nothing that I did not want. In fact I bought a Date just 41 black dial fluted bezel jubilee bracelet, in 2018. 6 months wait time. 2021 Rolex Batgirl, a year and a half wait., 2023 green op 41, about I year wait then the Starbucks. In fact I only have bought Rolex from this AD. I am on the Daytona wait list for the polar dial. Will I get it absolutely. It will take time but I will get one. Just put my name on the explore 40m, and the polar 42. It’s all about the relationship you have with your ad. I have had to deal with new employees as people have left the store. But this did not affect me in getting other Rolex models. The Ad has to like you and if they see you are genuine, and like me have great knowledge on different watch brands in goes a long way. There are lots of people like me who do get the Rolex watches that they want.
This video is for a new Customer to a Rolex AD. I’m unsure how you can Totally disagree with it! You have a relationship and a previous buy history a completely different video.
@@BrendanBoswell Will you make a video on purchasing Rolex with a previous purchase history?
@@Coolguy24686 if you have a decent previous spend history I doubt you will need a video to tell you how to get more watches
@@BrendanBoswell ok Brendan fair point, I’m bad. 😀👍.
Bro, that’s the definition of a spend history.
I also collect watches and I've got to say the Sub is the best Rolex, under the radar
Got my stainless Sub date in April after waiting just 3 months
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Finally prices are coming down but more importantly we all getting wiser. I just purchased my last watch two weeks ago I'm done with the Rolex hype.
Lovely mate!
The other thing to consider in this financial analysis is the effect of the annual price increase. Gold isn’t getting any cheaper, ask any jeweller. Taking into account annual price rises Rolex will want to£4,650 more in 5 years time for a two tone Sub. In only 7 years time they’ll be north of 20 grand. If you’re buying to keep and planning to perhaps sell in a few years that will influence what your watch is worth. This guy is on about walking out of the AD and immediately selling - or is this a flipper channel? This is the era of the genuine enthusiasts being able to buy what they want and hold on to the watch. Flipper parasites who can’t get out of the watch fast enough have largely vanished.
Sounds like this really is all dependent on where you are based. Claiming they are taking the piss by putting your name in for a Starbucks is a bit strong. Maybe the UK is having a hard time, in the US the wait was 9months ish….
My experience is that so it’s what I’ve said!
@@BrendanBoswell did you say it was your experience or fact that they are taking the piss and the lists closed years
Ago…guess it doesn’t matter. Seems like this is just a place to shit talk rather than offer impartial advice.
You don’t have a nice word to write so don’t!
Move on to something else!
@@BrendanBoswell 👍🏼✌🏼
I own the YM 40 blue. You are so right they are so comfortable on the wrist enjoy it way more than my sub I used to own. This is a very underrated watch been saying it for years.
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Great info! Thanks!
Nice vid and thanks for the research and effort put in. Not sure I know what is low or high price for a Rolex watch anymore, I believe Rolex best days are behind them. I do know about pricing and marketing and If those watches are selling at all at any price band it's because there are still suckers out there and it does not matter any amount of wisdom you want to inject upon them. My advise to the wannabees choose a different watch brand that's not so hyped but has good credentials and forget about replicas don't be so cheap!!
Got a new sub in Spain no questions asked 3 weeks wait.
Mine is a 1967 5513. Tritium, domed plexiglass, rivets, stylish crown guards, patina, lug holes, under the radar, primitive clasp, the works. Not that 2024 showoff jewelry.
Can you please not give advice to flippers. Just tell them it’s a great watch for flipping. Who cares what happens to flippers. 😅
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I will keep my pops 5500 14k gold 1975 I recall the yr works great and gold Air king no date its fine love it got it service last yr box and service papers at dealer over my pops having it since new . I have a new a nice after market high end band and the gold stock band came with the watch . I will be buying a new Tudor watch lot less cost and swiss and like the black bay to use everyday and I have a 4 yr old Steinhart . Pop left me the air king 1975 yr use that for special times . Wow Rolex cost so much very nice made out of my price. Thanks for the info
talk about de gmt please
Up Coming
AD’s selling to grey market back door 😂
Gold value in these watches is a maximum of 4.5 k
Time for a trip to the A.D Let’s see if what you are saying is true as I am after a new bluesy 👍
Go to Preston’s ☘️
Which branch of Prestons would you recommend? Great video btw
Appreciate that, I’m on instagram if you want my advice
Watchfinder have just offered me £8150 one year old never been worn sub no date
At least you are not out of pocket
I bought one Rolex for my collection...
... that'll do me. Too many other brands to play with...
One and 👍
Sounds like a shill for the gray market. Is this clip by any chance sponsored?
Nope! Shill FREE ZONE
Why are people so obsessed with Rolex it’s like a fetish
People are so stupid to pay that much for a stainless steel watch. I build my own homage watch and call it something else. Similar quality for a fraction of the price..
Message me on instagram I’m interested in what you can create ☘️
No wait list. How exciting!!! Does that mean you don't have to form a phony friendship with the dealer, buy additional jewelry that you don't need or want, submit to questioning and background checks, and "dance" for the dealer in the hopes of being found worthy to spend $10,000 for a stainless steel watch?
You are wasting your money on any sub. If you need a real diving watch, the sea dweller is the one to go to. She has many features above the outdated sub.😅
Great video 👍👍thinking of getting yaught master blue dial and forget my Pepsi waiting 😢
Get Both, The Pepsi might actually arrive after you die ☘️😂
@@BrendanBoswell so true hahaha😂😂😂
Been on waitlist for a sub for over 4 years. Obviously not cultivated relationship so will probably be another 4 years at least 😂
It’s time to go elsewhere maybe ☘️😂
@@BrendanBoswell I did been on the waitlist for a blue Op for another two years 😁