How to replace Citroen 1.2 cambelt, wet belt! Oil pressure fault fixed
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2023
- Discover the ins and outs of changing the wet belt/cam belt on your Citroen with the 1.2 PureTech engine in this comprehensive tutorial. From tools you'll need to step-by-step instructions, we've got you covered. Ensure your engine runs smoothly by mastering this essential maintenance task!
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Brilliant Video, many thanks for the hard work here in producing should a comprehensive step-by-step guide to replacing the 'wet' belt on these disastrous french 'pure le-crap' designed engines.
I know there are minor H&S and other practices here that could be improved, but i've made my living in the motor trade for 40+ years and I live in the real world.
Once again, thanks for an excellent Video 'Mr Fixer'. 🙂
Hey 👋 thanks for watching 👍
Just bought the wife a C1 with a 1.2 engine and never did i see bad reviews about wet belts. Its a 2017 plate with no advisories whatsoever which tempted me to buy French. Before i go any further great video mate, i wish i had your skills and patience lol. Out of curiosity, it would take about 2 days labour for an average mechanic to do?. Its just so i dont get conned with loads of labour costs 👍
Hi mate as long as the car is looked after it should be ok and to have the belt done should be around £600 ish depending on who and where. You should expect to have the car back the same day 👍
Great job well explained step by step for anyone brave enough to have a go.cheers for sharing 👍
Hey 👋 thanks for the kind words! I hope it helps someone 👍 thanks for watching
Great video I have one of these engines, which is now just 6 years old in a Berlingo. So a cambelt change is needed. I do a lot of my own maintenance and many years ago used to strip engines and gearboxes and clutches etc. as an amateur. But you have now frightened me off by all the complexities of this engine and the cambelt change. So your video has been very useful in that when it is done by a professional, I will not be thinking that this is realistically something I should have done myself and saved a lot of money. I will just have to remortgage the house. But really interesting and maybe the bill won't seem quite as bad now.
Hey 👋. Firstly thanks for watching, and some of these jobs can get fairly complicated but I’m sure if you did try you would have done a good job! At least it’s not a yearly expense that’s all I can say 😂 👍
The disc covering the oil pump gauze comes out to give a really good clean and taps back in.
Hey 👋 thanks that’s some great advice ☺️ appreciate it 👍
Thank you very mutch I will check again
No problem I hope it’s something simple 👍
Why don’t you buy the new locking tools? You can save lot of times avoiding removing the HP fuel pump and injectors, plus everytime you remove the injectors you must put the new teflon seals. The new locking mechanism it much easier to use, just remove the top oil-separator insert the first locking tool on the intake camshaft the insert the second one into the small hole present on the exhaust camshaft
Hey 👋 this was the first one of these I’ve done so just followed my workshop data guide for the locking tools, but if I start to see many more of these jobs I’ll defo get the tool you mentioned as would help a lot! Thanks ☺️
Who was the mad person who thought wet belt was a good idea.
I have no idea but they were obviously having a laugh up the pub and come up
With the idea 😂
After that i will never buy car with timing belt.............I have a skoda felicia 1.3 mpi 26 years with chain no problems, I think the cost of the engine is less with belt than chain.........
Good video
Thanks ☺️
Great video! Would you happen to know which cylinder is at tdc when the engine is locked with the tools? If the crank is 180 degrees out would that cause intereference in this engine?
Hey 👋 sorry not of the top of my head I can’t remember 👍
Who even buys those crazy engines 😂
Lots of people don’t even know what they are driving and these engines are in a lot of the newer cars now !
Thanks god and people, I searched , watched videos and changed my mind. I was about to buy Opel Corsa 1.2 Gs or Ultimate. I'm gonna buy a "non-innovative" engine car.
I’m not. I’m keeping my 2010 corsa without pure nonsense engine.
Hi thanks for very detalied explanations and for the video. i have a 2020 corsa 1.2 130 hp, and have the same issue on belt, lots of cracks but i didnt get a oil pressure fault yet. maintenance personnel at authorized service suggested that wet belt needed to change and everything is acceptable so far. but he also suggests and insists that they also need to change oil sump with brand new one, due to the screws loosening and not fitting properly after cleaning and reassembling because of that they claim that a cleaned oil pan will not be as efficient as before . can i have your expert opinion about that?
You don’t need to replace the sump if you are careful and don’t bend it when removing but some people just want to replace it probably because they just wanna rip it off. I’ve never put a new sump on and never had one leak 👍
Great video! Could you recommend the oil to use and the intervals you would prefer for a long life of the belt?
A decent quality 0W-20 oil should be used. And I would recommend an oil change at least once a year or 12k miles which ever comes first. 👍
Great video. I have the Citroën C4 1.2 to do. Do you have the number for the locking tools or a link to where to buy would be excellent. Also, did you use a kit or just replace the belt alone?
Hey thanks ☺️, I used a genuine kit from main dealer, and the timing tool I don’t have a link too but you can get them on eBay or Amazon just search for your engine and should fine a load of them 👍
hello.I have 2015 C4 1.2, after I changed the timing belt + water pump, and thermostat, the service light does not turn off. What could be the reason for this?
Hey 👋 I would recommend having the vehicle plugged in to be checked, you may have missed a sensor or something simple, I would recheck what you have done also just incase you missed something. Let me know what you find 👍
Greetings. Which sealant did you use on the metal top rocker cover? Rtv or Loctite 518?
Hey for that top cover I use elring dirko sealant great stuff, you could use most of the gasket maker sealants for that top cover and be ok 👍
Insane work! How many years do they need to fix the problem? I heard they changed to a chain and the chain is too thin and breaks as well. What new car can you buy that is not unreliable these days? All 50% more expensive and 50% less reliable it seems …
Well I think these engines will be around for a while, as long as you look after them and keep on top of the maintenance they should be ok 👍
Are the replacement belts better able to resist the oil?
The new belt was a genuine part so unless the dealer has upgraded them somehow they will be the same 👍
my mrs car is going in to have this done i wasnt brave enough to attempt this what would you say a good price is for this we was quoted just under £700
Hey, if it’s just the belt kit change then that’s a normal price 👍 it’s only when the pickup is blocked you need the extra work done.
Would it not be better to fill the oil filter with oil before fitting it ? Thats what i do with every oil and filter change,
It doesn’t make a difference, but if that’s your preference then that’s cool, most oil filters are at angles or upside down so you wouldn’t be able to fill them first anyway. So it’s fine not to fill before fitting 👍
Is it only the 1.2 litre puretech that has the wet belt?
I test drove one yesterday and liked the car very much but after some research i came across this issue...
Have i researched correctly as i cant find any similar issues with the 1.6 hdi and 2.0 litre versions?
Any other known issues on the 1.6 hdi and 2.0 i should look out for?
Hey 👋 the 1.6 and the 2.0 are older engines and have a normal cambelt, the wet belt will be ok if it’s serviced regularly and you change the belt when it’s required. So I wouldn’t let it put you off as if you consider all 3 as a option then your range of choice will be higher and you could get a much better car/deal hope that helps let me know what you decide to go for 👍
@@MrAutoFixer Thanks for the answer!
Which one would you consider the most reliable of the options?
And if you know, what is the average lifespan of the wet belt if serviced yearly?
@Tvallari the 1.6 and 2.0 have been around for a long time and are good engines. As long as you find one that’s got good service history and is well looked after with would be good,
The cam belts on all the engines should be changed every 5 years or 70k or around that mark you will have to check the schedules 👍
@@MrAutoFixer Thank you for taking the time! I'll let you know which one i end up buying if i decide to go for a Picasso/spacetourer 🙏
@@Tvallari no problem hope you get a good deal 👍
Just been quoted £800- from Citroen to have this done on 2020 C3 Aircross.. I can see why now what’s involved !!!!
Hey 👋 thanks for watching 👍
Great video, thanks.
It you would be so kind if you could answer my query.
My wife has got a 2018 DS3.
We bought it brand new with Zero miles.
It has done 8,500 Miles currently. (yes... eight thousand)
It has a service, oil change every 12 months.
Should we be worried about the belt at this point?
Thank you.
Hey that’s nice and low milage, but I would still have the belt changed at the 5 year mark, as the belt deterioration will still happen over time as well as usage.
So I would have it done if it was mine 👍
Thanks very much. What ball park figure would that be please? ...and will it need water pump too. Thank you.
@bobmartin5101 no it doesn’t need water pump as they are not driven by the Cambelt on this model, and ball park would be 4-5 hundred 👍
@@MrAutoFixer Many thanks. best wishes.
I want to remove the oil sump to do a good clean, but to install again with a new "silicone gasket" i need to know what the torque for the bolt of the oil sump and the sequence of bolt.
Does any know?
Hi I look all my stuff up on software but need a reg for that, your best off doing a Google search for the figures. 👍
@@MrAutoFixer yes...i know, usually i find some info in the net, but related to this engine no.
A few weeks ago I needed to do the same thing in a mini cooper 2010 1.6 petrol n12 engine and find that was 12nm and a criss cross pattern and after 1000miles everything is clean with no leaks.
Can I use the same criss cross pattern sequence? What about the torque? What torque did you use?
@JoaoMadureira-ht5nk if it’s a steel sump then it’s 8nm if it’s a aluminium sump then it’s 10nm and there is not a pattern suggested to follow I always just get all bolts finger tight then tighten down evenly. 👍
@@MrAutoFixer I am not a mechanic so lots of info missing my knowledge, but I do like to do things right and by my own.
So thank you very much your help! I keep doing this type of videos with quality...very useful and very didactic. 👍
@JoaoMadureira-ht5nk happy to help, good luck with the repairs and thank you ☺️
Hi could u tell me how to time up this engine plz
Hi it’s all explained in the video mate 👍
This looks like a trained Citroen mechanic job. So complicated for what is, in principle, a simple job. No wonder they say the things they do about French cars. :)
Would your average non franchised garage have the know-how, would you think?
Hey 👋 yes these belts are getting a lot more complicated, but most garages should have at least one person that does all the cam belts.
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Theses are pretty simple. I've done about 10 now, and with the sump off and clean, it can be done in 3hrs.
@@stephenreed1080 there all simple
When you know how and have the right tools 👍
You think this one is difficult, try a Ford ecoboom!!!!!!
@robertday8619 Yh I agree they are much worse !!! 👍
My cambelt for my citeron c1 is due to be changed and running fine. Would i still need the sump to come off to check the oil strainer or if im having no issues there is no point?
If your c1 has a wet belt and had been serviced regularly, and your oil light goes out fast when you start the engine then I would say no you don’t need the sump off 👍
Deffo has a wet belt which has now become the main of my life. I've had a few garages insist it needs to come off to be cleaned .
Citeron don't include taking off the sump as part of their price which was vastly cheaper then the other garages!
Thank you though!
*bane of my life
@user-nf2qo1bm8s well it’s not much extra work to take the sump off but you will need to change your oil and oil filter also so that’s going to be the extra cost. You should be looking at around £550 for the whole lot, 👍
Was wondering if anyone is making a cam chain conversion kit for this yet?
That would be interesting 🤔 I’ve not seen or heard of any yet but that would be a good idea 👍
How much does it normally cost to have that job done.
Average price is around £800 all in 👍
Will the belt only fit in one position? Or is it possible to fit one tooth out?
Hey once the engine is timed up the belt can only go on in the grooves that are there so no chance of getting it out of time if it’s timed up correctly in the first place. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching
@@MrAutoFixer Thanks. I only wondered because I had a new timing belt fitted to a K-Series engine (in a Caterham) which was one tooth out. Ran fine, but the emissions were all over the place!
@ianbarnes961 Yh that’s old skool and easy to get the timing out but these new ones it would be hard to mess up 👍
Hi thanks for this video. I have a friend who has a 1.2 puretech in a Peugeot 308 that keeps getting a p0011 code. The belt was changed at main dealer in September not sure of history before ownership. Have changed both solenoids with China specials but still getting the code :-( Do we know what the logic is to throw a p0011 is it when the dephaser is being controlled and the cam sensor does not see the changes in timing that have been commanded? If that is the case then maybe we have poor oil flow rather than pressure due to sump pick up being blocked? @ Mr Auto Fixer do you think I can use 5.5mm diameter camera through oil drain to inspect the strainer? The camera I have has a lens on the side and is of good picture quality. Look like location is doable but will depend on distant between bottom of sump and pick up. Or am I barking up wrong tree reference the p0011
Hey 👋 thanks for reaching out
The most common cause of this code is a faulty timing belt or camshaft sensor. It can also be caused by an oil leak in the VVT system, or worn engine components such as spark plugs, valves, and gaskets. If the fault code is caused by worn engine components, they need to be replaced. If the error is due to an oil leak in the VVT system, then this needs to be addressed and repaired. The camshaft sensor may also need to be replaced. If the belt was done at main dealer it may be worth giving them a call and see if they will sort it under some kind or warranty ? Thanks
@@MrAutoFixer Yes was thinking send it back to dealer. Would put the factory solenoids back on as likely they will blame the China specials but would put them back with them swapped in position to see if code moves. The screens did not have any debris on them. Do you know how to test for oil leaks in the VVT? Do you know if the cam sensor can be swapped position to establish if cam sensor issue. Not sure why but in the back of my mind I think the logic to throw the error is detection of camshaft not responding to the commanded advance or retard but I think there is also a phaser error code that would possibly debunk this. Deffo a pain and could end up a money pit.
Just has another thought suggested the owner gets an autel AP200 hopefully that can monitor the actual cam position versus commanded. We could then apply 12volts to the valve and see if it makes the actual position change. Assume this would just be 12 volt external source onto the pins of the solenoid. However I am not sure if this is a good idea as could we run the risk of valve to piston damage.
@grahamh6444 if you get it on the right diagnostic equipment it will be able to test the solenoid and see if it is within tolerance, sometimes that fault is caused by the cams wearing, there are a few videos on here about that also. I would get the original solenoids put back in and have that dealer run the tests first as they will have the best equipment.
@@MrAutoFixer Thanks
Do you put sealant on the metal rocker cover
Hey yes you use a sealant on them parts 👍
@@MrAutoFixer thank you, got one to do tomorrow
@northeastcrow586 oh nice 👌 hope it goes well for ya let me know how you get on 👍
@@MrAutoFixer it went well, your video helped alot thank you.
@northeastcrow586 that’s good! Glad I could help, thanks for watching 👍
How many miles did the car have on it?
I can’t ember exactly but it was either 40 or 50k on the clock 👍
What age was this car? Because ive just had the same problem with mine
Hey 👋 this was a 2018 model
@@MrAutoFixer mine is a 2019 with 37k on warranty Citroen issued a recall for the 1.2 pure tech engine but not sure if my engine is covered.
@purplechikynuget6081 Yh I’ve heard about a recall beast to give them a call and see if you are covered !
Is this still a problem with the more recent models of c3 aircross? Are they still wet belts on the 2022 1.2 pure tech c 3 aircross? No info out there at all!
@clareforster8480 hey 👋 send me your reg I can always look it up and let you know? Thanks
And the cost for this repair? I have a 2019 Peugeot 208, 1.2 engine type HNP, GT Line. My oil pressure has just come on with fault code P15A8.
Hey 👋 you will be looking at 6-800 using genuine parts, all garages prices do vary a lot depending on location etc so worth ringing around to get quotes. 👍
Alot of these belts have had a recall i know mine has
@jasonwhitehead8575 yes defo worth checking with dealer to see if there are any outstanding recalls
hello, I have the same car as you have the same mileage and the same year. Can you tell me how many kilometers you had before the defect appeared, I'm very interested.
Thanks in advance
@patrickarroues789 hi this happened at just 40k miles one you see any fault or oil pressure fault you should get it checked out right away 👍
How much would something like this cost am having problems with my 3008. If I was to take it the a garage
Hey you would be looking at around £600 for the whole lot 👍
@@MrAutoFixer would the oil pressure fault be on all the time if this was the problem as it’s only happened twice to me and goes into limp home mode but fine again when I turn car on and off
@@stxduffer3974 as the problem starts the oil light will come on intermittently and gradually get worse as the strainer gets more blocked up best thing you can do is go have it checked or changed asap 👍
@@MrAutoFixer thanks it comes up with oil level low but the last two times today been saying oil level correct I have it booked in tomorrow to have it looked at
@stxduffer3974 yes best to get it checked before it goes bad ! Let me know how you get on 👍
Wet belt = scrap value, weigh it in!
Is that the professional formula for wet belts now lol 😂
One of the main problems once these cars come out of warranty, is many garages just fit crap the likes of Euro Car Parts supply.
Garages can buy the Genuine belt inspection tool and should be checking this on every service the car has (Yearly or 10k, whicever is 1st), not when it hits an oil pressure problem.
These engines are smooth, economic and are made the way they are that enables them to pass emission requirements.
I'd stick to Genuine belts with Approved Oil and Genuine Oil Filters. (doesnt appear so here?).
Multiple parts such as timing sprocket bolts, end caps, crank pulley bolts (6 outta and main inner), crank seal, tensioner cover and evap seals should be replaced as a minimum since they are coming off.
Vacuum pump and timing solenoids (x2) have gauze filters that should be inspected, cleaned and have the gaskets replaced also.
Punters and garage's need to stop cutting corners and blaming the manufacturers for not maintaining these properly.
Hey thanks for watching!
This had genuine belt kit fitted, a Mann oil filter and shell helix oil all the best quality and all supplied by euro car parts, let’s not forget euros will only give what the customer orders!
For this car euros don’t offer a aftermarket belt kit, only genuine PSA,
I agree with regular maintenance these engines are ok. 👍
Hey thanks for watching!
This had genuine belt kit fitted, a Mann oil filter and shell helix oil all the best quality and all supplied by euro car parts, let’s not forget euros will only give what the customer orders!
For this car euros don’t offer a aftermarket belt kit, only genuine PSA,
I agree with regular maintenance these engines are ok. 👍
Rubbish engine design you mean right 😂
This should be a chain not a belt but the manufacturer decided to cut coast on the behalf of the buyers who trusted them for at least making engine that can last 100k miles ... The French just showed middle finger to their customers dooming their furure sales because lots of people like me would never ever buy a car with French engine and I will make sure to tell the story to as many people as possible!
Rubbish engine design, got same issue on my Crossland X at 46k miles, will never ever buy car with French engine again!
Yes that’s right, lots of people saying the same thing 👍
Bad design engine
Hey 👋 I agree, Yes it is!
Am I totally stupid, this is 2024. The car manufacturers think they can put shit ideas like this in a car, and expect the punters to pay for their shit design.
Hey 👋 unfortunately yes there seem to be lots of engines now with the wet belt design but I’m hoping the fad doesn’t last too long and they go back to normal! Thanks for watching 👍