DO NOT BUY A CAR WITH THIS ENGINE - PEUGEOT PURETECH ENGINE
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- In this video we talk about the Peugeot / Citroen 1.2 Puretech Engine fitted to a number of vehicles including Vauxhalls / Opel's and More from 2012.
I talk about the issues with the engine, in my experience on working on them and why I will not buy and sell vehicles fitted with this engine as a car dealer here in the UK.
Filmed APRIL 2024
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** Edit - It's Suggested that the upper limit 250ml of oil being used per 1000 miles is still acceptable, this is 1Liter per 4000 miles not 10000 as mentioned in error by me. (Thanks to those who commented and pointed out) Clearly my maths are not very sharp with millilitres 😁😁 Bring back Imperial 👍👍
oh please no, not Imperial. that mean using Foreignheight again.
Thanks for the update.
If you are unfortunate enough to have one of these vehicles,then what brand of wet belt do you find the most resilient???
Gates and Dayco seem to be basically peugeot OEM spec at about half the price,but in your day to day life as a mechanic,which gets your seal of approval?
@@bigmacntings7451 both are good makes....i'm sure dayco did about 3 updates on the belt to stop them failing....im sure peugeot use dayco belts on the pure shite
@@thatcheapguy525 True. We've almost completely advanced from the old acre-feet per pound Fahrenheit figures. With the notable exception of miles. Oh, and the dear old quaint USA. 😉
I'm more curious about the reason that the piston rings are failing. No matter how advanced an engine is, piston rings are just rings, made of metal. It's very low tech. In fact they have been machined from cast iron for years without issue. Also since it's such a simple part, there are plenty of third party manufacturers of these parts.
A green engine designed to be efficient and save the planet, but it burns lots of oil, isn’t very fuel efficient and rarely gets to 100k miles before it needs a replacement. The irony
Yet if you get something Swedish, German or Japanese many cars from they're will do over 100k without a problem. I think in America there was a Honda Accord that had done 1m miles from new.
A bit like my 47yr old boiler, which has only needed 4 thermocouples in that time, and which appears to use no more gas than my friends' & family's modern condensing boilers, some of which have needed replacement after only 5yrs, and seem to regularly need new parts fitting.
@@Benzknees mental isn’t it. It’s the same with all this modern eco crap.
its a money making scheme saving the planet is the biggest scam the world has ever seen i wonder when people will realise ?????
Problem is they are made as light as possible which equates to fragility. Then DOUBLE the horse power with a turbo and you can see your area of trouble. Who NEEDS 150bhp in a 208...don't get me wrong...I like it...but it's not needed. The 205gti 1.9 had 130ish bhp and was a rocket. Give the 208 125bhp and remove the electric seats, windows and other crap and your car WILL be greener.
I blame emissions regulations mostly. They have forced manufacturers to make engines fragile in the name of reduced frictional and inertial losses. Wet belts, thin timing chains, low tension piston rings, reduced engine sizes with a turbo (making the engine work harder to produce the same power as a larger one), EGR and particulate filters, plus some cost cutting to keep things affordable... Couple all of that with extended service intervals to make the car appear cheap to run and you have a recipe for disaster.
It’s simpler than that, the Engines are basically eating their own crap.
Blame the manufacture not the regulator, cutting corners & cost to increase profits
@@martinhammett8121 I agree that manufacturers have cut corners, but they have had to. The newer more complicated engines are a lot more costly to make than an older normally aspirated, indirect injection engine. If they din't keep costs in check they would either make a loss or prices would need to rise. Car manufacturers are in it to make money, otherwise they wouldn't exist.
Well said . You are spot on sir .
100% this and its something that i never really thought about. It makes sense though
you should be on tv, you are better/more knowledgable than most i have ever seen on tv
Ex wife has a 2018 C3 Aircross with the 1.2 Turbo Puretech, Regularly serviced and at 40K miles i checked the timing belt through the oil filler hole in the cam cover as i had discovered that the wet belts give problems, The belt was cracked across every 2mm, She booked it straight in for a Wet belt, It cost her £600 and the garage said good job i spotted it as it was about to fail and this is just at 40K miles! I told her to get shot of it but she likes it too much! 😂
Well done for checking.
Shouldn’t be happing on an 18 plate car. Madness
As an old mechanic it still puzzles me how it cost so much to change a belt, sure sump and drainer removed but £580..really.....is taking the pss
@@user-bz9cb8bp2y this must be a stealership price!…what makes me wonder is why a wet belt has been designed?
@@elmondo3543 correct. (friends car). I agree.... As a young mechanic I thought the switch from chain to belt a mistake but they turned out OK... Wet belts... Yuk....
Had it for nearly 3 years in a 2021 208. Absolutely zero issues and used no oil.
Great to hear 👍
Scary stuff regarding cars fitted with this engine. My neighbour has an old 2007 Suzuki Swift which she has serviced regularly. So far it's done around 140,000 miles, never broken down, doesn't use any oil between oil changes and the engine sounds as smooth as silk. Amazing for a cheap budget car in my opinion.
glad to hear, i just bought a 2012 second hand swift
I had three Honda vans,over more the twenty years ,all bought used.Never had a belt fail,all ended up with over 80,000miles,on them.
Swifts use a camchain, and usually lasts the life of the car. Far superior engine than this modern crap
Thoroughly tested before manufacture.
What vans honda make ???@@keithhooper6123
I have Peugeot 205 with TU engine, great engine and very reliable.
Joint de culasse
That was my first car. Great engine!
I have a Peugeot 206, 1.1, 2000 plate, it is 24 years old and still going strong. If its not broke don't fix it!
My partner has a V reg 306 and although she doesn't do many miles in it, nonetheless its outlived my 2021 3008 Hybrid that broke down after 11 months from new! I now have the 1.2 Puretech Rifter. I'm not mechanically trained but even I think that to have a timing belt go through the hot engine oil seems a poor design?
I have peugeot 206 CC year 2002 1.6 ,i never refiled oil in its lifetime .I dont drive any more ,its now standing in the yard becase i dont want to sell it and it worth nothing but even after standing for 4-5 month its starts on half key .And in 22 years i change cambelt ONES ,it was in 2010
These were the best. Even the tv commercial for them back then was really good lol
The older the better.
@@xXturbo86Xx
You named it... We/I had 4 Peugeot, 604, 1978; 505 STI, then 505 Turbo (not as good as other) and Peugeot 405 (1989) Cost me less than 10k Canadian Dollars$; and I drove them since 1996 till 2008. The 1984 505 STI was the best if it were not that the Contract Workers used it and destroyed the Trans... We/I would have driven until now... I have seen a Peugeot DL 1986 still ran like a charm form a Man in the City...
Government and Politicians should stop making Bad Choices and Bad "Inconvenient Truth" like Al Gore and Elon-gate about C02 Emissions,,, Don't believe in that causing Climate Change.... Citizens of the World have to drive less and Walk/ Bike more to keep Good Health like the Japanese and South Koreans.
C'est La Vie 💏 💏
Thanks for the information I was looking at a Peugeot 2008 but I'll not bother now. Cheers 👍
Look for a slightly older late model 406. I had two as company cars. Very reliable and never burned any oil. The first was petrol, second was diesel. When Jaguar wanted a diesel motor for the X Type they went to Peugeot for help.
LOL you are so easy to be brainwashed. New Peugeot do not have this issue
1.2 Peugeot owner here on 18 plate. Cam belt done at 53000 no oil burn, fingers crossed. Dealer was well aware of issues with engine not charged for sump removal and engine internal clean. Always changed oil earlier than recommended.
Same...66 Plate 108. Extremely low milage 33500 miles. Cam Belt done last year . £399.00 local Peugeot Independant. So far faultless .
Don't kid yourselves. These engines are not designed with longevity in mind.
@@S-Ltd1000
1 horsepower per cubic inch was the benchmark for durability.
100 hp per litre or more is race engine type outputs.
The old race engine doctrine was we can guarantee it will start and we can guarantee it will blow up/fail in a big way.We can't guarantee the time period in between.But the best race engine is the one which blows up as it crosses the finish line.Anything longer than that is under stressed.
Call it 45k-50k miles.
@@CandyMan2001
How many Toyota's and Honda's made over 100hp per litre ?.I'd prefer
a Range Rover or Discovery with a Ford 302 V8 over any Land Cruiser.
If not a Chevy pick up with a Detroit 6v53.
@@CandyMan2001
Obviously a 200hp 8,000 rpm screamer isn't going to be much use in providing over 300hp at 4,000 rpm.
Either way a good big V8 beats a small 4 or a 6.
So Ford Cosworth DFV v Honda 2000 but for some reason Ford chose not to put it in the MK1 Cortina.
Another big thanks from myself. Just bought an older but regularly maintained 43k 108 and will check the belt tomorrow. I will also be very careful with oil changes and keeping engine clean. A cracking car BTW. Lots of fun.
Great video. Ihad a 208 turbo and improved oil consumotion by soaking piston tops with acetone to clean the rings. Once the acetone drained into the sump i changed the oil before startup. This improved the consumtion to about a third of its original rate. Now getting around 2000km before needing a top up which is still high .
Good idea, the build up on the rings is a big issue. Not helped be being a GDi type engine.
@@carukchannel Thanks Lee. Strangely the turbo is direct injection but the regular 1.2 has injection through the valves. I think they are a good engine but realise it is a minority view.
2000km and you already need to top up oil? Are you sure it is not a 2 stroke lol
We've had two cars with this engine and both have been very reliable and durable.
One car is on 85,000 miles and the other has 40,000 miles. No problems.
I think the issue is as engines become more efficient and less polluting than they used to be, oil and filtration is much more critical.
I suspect the wrong oil is being used.
Although, I'm aware of the cambelts breaking down on early cars, there is no longer an issue.
We changed our cambelt at 65,000 miles.
They pollute and Will be always ineficent
What model are those? 2020+? Thanks!
@@JacobianMatrix9 Peugeot 308 SW 2016 & 308 2018
Cracking podcast as usual Lee another electric car fire this time in Bristol, Patchway Vauxhall dealer hell of a mess took out other cars and vans
Great video, your knowledge is invaluable!
Good man 👍 just beginning to search for a new car with these size engines, thanks for the information it's appreciated.
Had cambelt changed on my 3008 on 18 plate only 36000 miles .took Peugeot four months to repair car and yes serviced by Peugeot from new
I dodged a bullet with a 1.2 Peugeot 108 from Arnold Clark. Can you imagine the heartache I would have had, I found out just in time. I am keeping my old 1.2 Corsa twin-port which doesn't ever burn oil and has a chain drive for the camshafts.
I had a 2016 308 GT line about 3 years ago. I loved the car and it was fine for a year and a half but at around 50k miles the stop vehicle engine repair light started randomly appearing. Code pointed to one of the vvt solenoids so had that changed, then a few months later the other one went. In the meantime I started to learn all about the wet belt issues and blocked solenoid valves is a symptom of a disintegrating belt. As soon as I got it back from the garage I drove to another dealership and traded it in on a Mazda3 skyactiv petrol which has been flawless. I'm still on the 308 FB group and it's a regular occurrence. Many posts from people that bought into these cars without researching the associated problems. Peugeot don't give a toss and will do everything to avoid fixing the issues unless you have a spotless service record. Apparently they have now redesigned the engine to use a cam chain but I'd never go near a Stellantis car again.
Very good vlog as usual Lee. I'm off to Prees next week, glad you told us this about the pureshite engines, the missus wanted a DS. 😮
Great practical video thanks 👍
It's almost as if car manufacturers have forgotten how to design reliable engines.
They were fine until emission regulations forced them to downsize and add complexity.
If you have to meet crazy emission standards on a fixed budget, reliability takes a backseat. 🤷♂
@woolychewbakker5277 ......that nobody wants.
So basically the emissions regs have caused manufacturers to build these crap engines that aren’t reliable, burn lots of oil and generally aren’t very efficient. Makes sense.
Hardly saving the planet is it.
They are designing engines to a different set of rules.
It's all about emissions and fuel figures and profits for manufacturers.
They aren't designed to be a viable long term out of dealership servicing and warranty environment.
There's a reason why any decent used car forecourt was full of big low stressed pushrod straight 6 engines during the golden years of the used car trade.
Thanks for the advice, I have the Citroen diesel engine in a newish c3 and it was for that reason I avoided the puretec one 😊
Another great video. Plenty useful information with a bit of entertainment thrown in !
😁👍
Brilliant video Lee I had a 2009 Vauxhall insignia 2.0cdti the a20dth engine that also suffer with oil problems I didn’t know that at time well not until the oil pressure light came on and seized the engine the annoying part of it all I had cambelt +waterpump and clutch and dual mass all replaced the month before 😂😂
I've had a Vectra and two Insignias with 2.0 CDTi motors. Only had to replace water pumps with belt change. None of them burnt oil. None smoked. I bought the last one when I retired. 140,400 miles on it, serviced regularly, still doesn't burn oil. You must have got a Friday afternoon model.😊
@@dartskipper3170 I have Insignia 2.0 diesel 2016 ,now is 240k km ,replaced belt ,water pump and small chain on 200k km. .ITs more reliable car i ever had .Insignia before facelift (2014) have some problem with some seal ring so you need to change it after 100k km ,its 10 euro part but people forgot to change it and it made huge problems
Great video Lee, as always. Thanks for the tip off.
Very informative, thanks Lee.
I have worked at peugeot dealer in Sweden.
Its usaly the turbo engine that have timing belt faults.
My guess is that the oil runs hotter.
Every service we measaure the with of the timing belt throug the oil filler cap. Even if its not cracked it can be to wide.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, most turbos drain oil straight into the sump, so would definitely be a lot hotter than a NA engine
Designed to fail in my opinion. Good that you’re sharing the knowledge, for others to avoid these.
They want you out of petrol and diesel cars!
@@alanpatterson2759 I agree. My same thoughts exactly.
@@michaelclarkson2218 There is a plan to take us out of these cars and put us in buses and trains.
Can't believe it! Just watched your video 21/5/24. Last Friday my 1968 Peugeot 2008 Allure Premium 1.2 started misfiring. Managed to limp back to supplier Arnold Clark. Told about the cam belt problem, minimum cost if minimum damage £1200. Did a deal on a 23reg GT Line with 4k miles on the clock, old one only done 35750. Thanks for the advice, I'll be getting the belt changed before the warranty runs out 🤞
Thanks for the heads up Lee…We’ll add it to the list….Prinz puretech and eco post….Keep it coming good bud ….😉
2018 Vauxhall Crossland with full dealer service history, owned from new, 48,000 miles and major issues with wet belt in December 2023. Dash warnings, no oil pressure etc. Vauxhall replaced the wet belt under warranty even though the car was out of warranty. Cost of repair was listed as £2500. Now traded in and out of our hands.
how the hell did you get Vauxhall to do it out of warranty??? my best friend has a newer crossland X and he has been told his parking sensors are not part of his warranty. that randomly go off all the time when your pulling away!
@@kingsknightukif it’s got full dealer history and the engines gone bang then there really isn’t a lot they can say against it. In that case you’ve clearly adhered to the manufacturer guidelines
Had 14 plate DS 3 with 1.2 110 pure tech , cracking little engine . Changed oil every year with total ineo and put 40000 miles troubles free . Sold down to French dodgy electrics and faulty electric steering . Didn’t change belt in seven years of ownership , maybe I was lucky .
Thanks for the info , thought my 1.4 vauxhall engine was crap but these sound worse will stay well clear noted
I had a Vauxhall Granland X for a work car for a few weeks with the 1.2 turbo in it and I have to say it was remarkable. I was shocked with the performance of such a small unit in a lump of a car. Great for the first few years only by the sounds of it! Great video as always Lee.
main dealer tec here, we sell ex. motability fully serviced 3yr old cars, belts failing after less than 40k miles, done 3 this month, oil lights on... 1.2 pureshite motors
As a former vaux dealer employee workshop full of new engines in crates awaiting fitting and one tech spent weeks purely swapping engines in various models some not even very old. Although Vauxhall had had their own past issues as all car makers do from time to time since GM ditched the brand to Stellantis they have I feel destroyed years of loyal Vauxhall customers who trusted the brand and the dealer network, and frankly who would never have considered buying a French car because of their unreliable reputation, its a thought that how many long standing Vaux owners have now jumped ship when they now realise the true vehicle behind the griffin badge.
I have a 2021 vauxhall combo life 1.2 3 cylinder 8 speed auto on mobility, its just turned 46k and not had a problem with the engine, but don't get me started on the electrics 😮 thank god it goes back next month after having it 3 years, and seeing this video 😢
@user-rf2qt8ou8w I think you are right in 99%. But GM also failed with their downsized 1.2 litre petrol engine LIH in facelift astra where people including are having issues with crankshaft and this engine has also belt in oil... There would be no any better engines in these cars today...
Vauxhall 2.0 turbo diesel engines seized up from oil pump failure or just a simple £2 oil pickup seal made from the wrong material is a normal thing that happens before 100k, not forgetting the M42 manual gearbox that is made from chocolate and will also always fail. Yeah, Vauxhall have previously had their own issues so nothing new.
What's your opinion on the newer puretech engines with timing chains?
Well said brother!
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Just discovered this guy. He is a natural teacher, so fluent. There must be provable design faults so why has this never been to court. Makes you want to rush out and buy an EV or stick with Japanese.
I'm disabled so I'm on the mobility scheme. I've order and in the first week of June it will be delivered a Peugeot 408 GT fastback 1.2 petrol engine.im glad I watched this to the end as it's put my mind at rest from the title of this :)
Wow!
Thank you for such an in depth mountain of info.
Will never buy a car with wet belt engines.
Pleasure to listen to a guy who knows exactly what he’s talking about!👍
I've had a 2017 308 1.2 Puretech 130bhp since 2018. Only on 29,000 at the moment. None of those issues yet, touch wood. Had a Peugeot recall last year specifically about the cambelt. They checked and it was fine. I know that engine has had different types of belt in it's lifetime, some more trouble than others and I think they are now chain driven. I haven't had a dealer service for a couple of years due to lack of funds and a lot less miles travelled. I'm still under 10,000 since the dealer service but I think I'll be sorting that myself after watching this. I have an MOT in a couple of weeks. I may enquire about the cambelt too if it's around £500. It's been a cracking engine so far. Low down torque like a diesel but lot's of rev room too, although I rarely need that as it pulls well so low down.
I have 3008 with 1.2 PT 130hp (2019) - no problems with a cam belt. My wife has 208 (1.2 PT 110hp, 2017) - cam belt had to be replaced after 37k miles. Now it has about 57k miles and is running fine (but it requires about 1 liter of oil after 6k miles).
When u get to 250k mls....( camry 2.5) with no issues...then u can call it reliable.
A new belt was introduced in march 2017...I have a 208 puretech 110 automatic gearbox (the 110 is the same as the 130hp except programmation and exhaust pipes diameter) and at belt change after 100 000km was the belt in correct state (i make oil change all 10 000km, not 25000 as planed...), and oil pick up was clean, but oil consumption rise progressively up sinze ~60000km and at 110 000km was the oil consumption at ~1L to 2000km, and... at 115000km did the engine blow (hole in the piston n°3), engine replaced for 6000€, hope it hold...
@@leneanderthalien Carbon buildup because of direct injection. It can damage piston rings. These should be cleaned regularly. Walnut blasting might help prolonging its life.
My God! Thanks for this. I was looking at Peugeot 2008 or the Ford focus eco boost. In fact I was going upto Manchester to buy a Ford focus eco boost this weekend. Thanks honestly, I'm not going anywhere near it now.
If its the 1.0 Ford eco boost engine, that has problems too😉
Great informative video, thanks. Between this and the Ford Ecoboost fiasco this takes a huge number of cars out of the running if looking to buy a small, economical petrol car for around £4-5k from the pre '17 low road tax era. I work in the Ford environment, the going price for an ecoboost (3cyl 1 litre) wet belt replacement is around £1800!
Excellent video. You have clearly shown how its the poor old second, third or high mileage owner that ends up footing the bill for what is frankly a poor design from new. I can't think of any other industry that would get away with it.
I've owned a Citroen c1 Mk2 1.2 litre puretech 82 hp for 5 years and it hardly burns any oil. I had the wet cambelt changed at 31k miles, the engine cleaned/flushed and I've had no trouble. It's a great little engine, lots of torque and the car leaps away from the lights.
Motore terribile
@@brunobaressi9919 How? 31k miles with no trouble, how is that terrible?
@@andyhowlett2231 They got problems becouse they dont check is t servise reely change oil and oil filter an ist use proper oil
@@osa-mv4iv That's a problem with service, not the engine. Any engine will give trouble if not serviced.
@@andyhowlett2231 True... We/I had the Subaru Legacy 1992 Model; Everything Original, except Timing-Belt changed in 2019 and 2 CV Axels = as Boxer Engines wear out CV Boots/Joins faster than Regular Straight-Inline 4 Engines.
We/I changed oil 🛢 🛢 = bought Bull Load every 3-4 Months by myself since 2005; I never cost me anything else but Gasolines (I changed Radiator Coolant Every Summer End)
The Subaru Legacy was stolen last May 2023 otherwise, would have been in the Parking Lot and Driven still...
Change Oil and Coolant more often and you can drive any Japanese for 30 years... Like the 1992 was 31 years,,,
C'est La Vie... 😂 😂
I bought a 1.2 2008 Puretech in August 2023. Only after that did I find out about the internal wet belt (!) and the clogging of the oil pickup strainer. Checking the paperwork that came with the car, it has already had a new oil pump and belt fitted not long after its first owner bought it. When I get rid of this car (I'm keeping it for 2 years max) I'm going back to a 2nd hand Toyota! Oh, the cheapest "correct" oil I could find was a pound or two shy of £50, with a discount code! £500 for a cam belt change?!!!! Oh how I loved the old Ford SOHC engines.
Honda are also having problems with there three cylinder engine wet belt and I think it's a ford block with a Honda head on it
@keithkeeble7483 ew honda shame on you, 3cyl ford is the worst engine made in the last 20 years
For this reason I went to VW group bought a Skoda Fabia 1.0 tsi I know it's not a toyota but the tsi 1.0 nowadays seems to be pretty robust and since I am not really pushing it to really high rpm I believe I will be fine if I do reasonable maintenance it has a dry belt though I wish it was a chain
My 1.0l eco boost is just dandy,cambelt showed little signs of wear,didn’t cost much more than a dry belt.
@@x.kasiouris5503VAG don’t usually do the best engines, but to their credit the 1.0 TSI (which I also have in my polo) really is an excellent reliable engine
Amazing Lee. Why oh Why did anyone think that wet belt system was of any use. Even the AA man told me, when they first came out, watch all the crap get sucked into the strainer and cause engines to fail. That was on a Peugeot we had at work lol :) Awesome video. At least you let people know what NOT to buy or at least be cautious :) Thank You!!
Thanks for watching darkelf
I have a 2014 1.2vti C3 which I bought new, had the timing belt changed this year, so far I have not had any problems with the car
I had heard of these problems with the purecrap and ecoboom. Sadly I didn’t look too much into the R56 mini and have a blown engine in one 😂 (compression). I’m grateful for my Audi.
Got a 308 with a 1.5 diesel and 8 speed gearbox superb unit.
I'm starting to think the same as you, I've had all sorts of problems with these engines, emissions and the catalyst not working properly I've come across a few times. Trouble is there are so many cars they are in and they sell well. The job isn't getting any easier is it!!
spot on Lee, great vid..Pureshite is closer to the truth..
Yes I was being polite 😁thanks for watching skrim
Travelled from Edinburgh to Leeds with my daughter and bought a Peugeot 208 GT LINE from a garage on the 5th December,vehicle ran ok for two weeks,in that time 1 litre of oil was added.After the 2 weeks the dash lit up with warning lights & little power.It sat at her work until finally collected (7th Jan) & after the garage checked it out,another 2 weeks,we finally were offered our money back( minus the cost for each mile we put on it) ,now purchased a Golf Diesel & garage changed belt & pump before purchase.
Total nightmare........stay well away.
Hope it's not the 1.6 tdi
@@livc444111
No it was the 1.2 pure tech petrol model
French cars built to last for a couple of years, then they belong on the scrap heap
@@livc444111i have the 2011 1.6tdi polo 140k miles still running pretty well
Think I'll stick with my 308 2.0 hdi, never liked the idea of the small 1.2 engine in something like a 308 SW and now you cemented my opinion. 👍❤️🇬🇧
toyota uses plenty of small engines and they don't blow up :).
I would simply not buy french car stuff.
Those are amongst the most reliable engines out there. If you take care of them, they will last forever. Adblue versions have problems with the system but you can simply remove it and do a remap... you will be good to go for another 100k miles.
Top notch info, cheers bro 👍
I have a 2016 308 with brake failure due to the cambelt breaking down , it’s on 45 k and hats off the main dealer it was all fixed under warranty even though it’s 8 yrs old ! It’s the 1.2 pure tech .
Brake failure 😮😮😮
Surely your confidence in the car will be shattered, I mean the same thing could happen again! I would get rid if I were you.
Yes, the vacuum pump can die due to lack of oil and that affect the brakes. Turbo failing because lack of lubrication can happen also.
As soon as engines started to go 3 cylinder, I thought it was a bad move. Getting more power out of less cubic inches has to come from somewhere, so compromises happen. I remember the original Top Gear trio lauding up Ford’s eco boost when it launched. Within two years the engine was known a junk.
International engine of the year in 2017. Lasts about three 🙂
It's not the number of cylinders that's the problem. Example- The Aygo/C1/107 have a 3 cylinder, but that's widely regarded as almost bulletproof (given regular oil changes). It's wet rubber belts, high boost pressures and trying to squeeze ridiculous power out of small engines that's the problem.
Ain’t no replacement for displacement…
Toyota and suzuki 3 cylinders are bomb 💣 run forever
@@Haawser That are very very small cars ,compare them with Peugeot 408 in size
Cracking, helpful information. Thanks for alerting us to this horror and giving such a clear explanation of the situation. I hope that Stellantis is taking on board the fact that people are seeing this video and not choosing to buy their cars. I most certainly would not. I have had several French cars in the distant past, but never again, same with Ford. Thank you for this, now subscribed.
I have had a load of Peugeots and Citroens, old 2008, new 2008, new 3008, C4 cactus and C3s and not been let down once in any way by them. Toyotas failed on me twice, new ones and a VW Golf was worst built car I have ever driven. Each to their own. Maybe I will try a Honda next but they have screwed those up now by only offering a hybrid Civic which I wouldnt touch with a barge pole.....unless its the type R which would be nice but hardly necessary.
Avoid all Stellantis group brands if you are looking for recent and reliable gasoline with after-sales service. Former owners of a 1.2L Puretech 110hp, we only had problems with: faulty segmentation, excess oil consumption from 60000 km, 1L every 1000 km, ventilation broken, belt in the oil to replace, speakers sometimes broken. We understood that keeping this Peugeot would be a financial pit. We sold it to a professional because Peugeot, well aware of the problems with their cars, does not do trade-ins.
Thanks for the video
I took delivery of a new Peugeot 2008 with the 1.2 130ps engine in December. Its on lease as my main/daily car. Was aware of the reputation of the wet belt design but not worried as I won't have it long enough to care (probably not beyond 2 years old). The thing is the car looks lovely inside and out, far nicer than the likes of a VW T Cross which I also considered. The engine is lovely to use to. Smooth, punchy and decently economical. In fact its probably one of the nicest 3 pot turbos out there to drive. I'm happy with the car so far.
All French cars are pure shite don't touch one .please please please .loads of issues and will Rob u in repairs.
Your car wont have a wet belt but a chain, ehat he hasn't told you that PSA changed the wet belt to chains around 2022 so you won't have any issues.
The 1.6 Turbo PSA petrol engine from 2012 also has issues like oil burning, leaks, smokey turbo, weak engine mounts and more.
Great information thanks. 👍
thank god for you!!! People always say how bad the ecoboost engine is and never talk about the Puretech engine which is wayyyyyyy worse! At least ford fixed their problem and fitted a time chain now!!! The Puretech has soooooooo many problems it is unbelievable it made it into cars!!!
the ford still has a wet belt drive for the oil pump ???????????????
The Ecoboost is worse. The Puretech has a chain driven oil pump unlike Ecoboost.
Depends how they are maintained
@@jdmguy44 yeah its strange they kept the oil belt!! that being said, most of the issues you get with the eco boost engine is with the wet timing belt as it is much bigger.
I dont understand why ford didnt replace both with a chain???? I've got the new ecoboost engine in my focus and i change the oil every 5000 miles like i have with my wifes cmax (which also has a ecoboost engine) and that engine is still running sweet as a nut. It has 74k on it and had its belts replaced! the belts that come off it looked fine, it didn't degrade what so ever!
Strage cos its been faultless in all the cars Ive driven and Ive only broken down in toyotas
My E208 needed a new electric motor at only 3K. Peugeot had my car for 1 and half years trying to fix it. On collection Their was also a bad repair to the door were they damaged it. Will never own a crappy stellantis product again!
I owned a 2019 1.2 turbo Citroen berlingo from new loved the car no issues but I only covered less that 10.000 miles had it serviced every year . I now own a new Ford transit custom 2 litre diesel, yes with a wet belt so out of the frying pan and into the fire 😂
Hi Lee It's john from Gibraltar, I think you didn't mention another common issue in relation to these puretech engines and that is premature failure of a 7mm thick timing chain which drives the cams.But I also believe that the thickness of this chain in question has been increased to 8mm for additional strength and this seemed to have solved the issue.Any way Lee i would stay clear of both puretech and ecoboost engines which are both driven by wet belts.A strong and well built timing chain would probably be the solution to these problems on both the aforementioned engines. I think it's a no brainer.
Brill video what chance to joe punlic have cheap parts but cost moneyyyy . Love the channel . Great man .
I recently rented a 208 130HP with the 8 speed auto on holiday in Tenerife. It was a great little car with very good performance and amazing low down torque for such a small engine. Shame about these reliability issues but hopefully they have fixed them now.
Those don't have this issue. It is the latest verison od 208 you have driven. Problem is solved there
Nope, rental companies still have the 2020-2023 version and NOT the new 1.2 Hybrid verison yet.@@brudamoj738
@@brudamoj738Do 2020 model 208s have it fixed too?
Have a 17 plate Citroen C3, with 1.2 PureTech, 25,00 miles. Excellent car, have never had to top up oil between regular services. Moved away from Citroen dealer as it was a rip off
My wife has Peugeot 208 (1.2 PT 110HP, 2017) - cam belt has to be changed after about 4,5 years after about 37k miles. This car also had some "swimming" accident after a storm (in a underground garage) - cables on the floor were replaces: do rust for the last 3 years. It uses about 1 liter of oil for every 6k miles.
I have Peugeot 3008 (1.2 PT 130HP, 2019): no problems with cam belt till now. And actually no other problems at all.
Interesting, thanks, I didn't realise we could check our belt so easily. The belt issue is annoying, but our dealer has already warned us to do it early. Piston ring issues in my experience are usually due to hard use of a cold engine, I always make sure to warm my engines before driving hard. We are on our second Cactus and so far neither has needed any top ups between annual services at about 8000 intervals.
very interesting, great explanation of the problem, did not realise that psa group used that system. actually bought a 0.9 captur and made sure it was a chain engine, but saw that the dacia was a wet belt. doubt i will change this car, as getting too old, but if i do will check the drive system. cheers rodders
Agree, I had a Vauxhall Grandadland on. 20 Plate, can't to me on 38k from a daily rental fleet through a leasing company. It liked a drink of oil. A bit of a misfire sometimes and then at a nays under 60k it started throwing 'oil pressure failure messages' when cold. I googled it and found 'Der Cambeltun Schitzunselfun' as they say down the Opel Film Club. The Belt In Oil, BIO degrades and blocks the oil pick up. Daily rental fleet wanted to change the oil and filter. I refused to drive the thucking fing 1000 miles a week because it would have been me stood on the hard shoulder when it grenaded. AA towed it off into the sunset. 5 months later, it's had a owner change (V5C issued) and it was on and off sale, taxed, SORN and now untaxed. I reckone the daily rental offloaded it, poor dealer bought it, MOT'd it and sold it only to find it went 💥 Late Nov 2023 I waved it goodbye and we are now nearly six months later and it's still untaxed
Its reason i want change Opel (vauxhall ) Insingia 2.0 diesel 2016 any time soon .Now is 240k km on clock ,i changed belt and small chain on 200 000 km and that is it,no oil consumption and anything like that .Why people buy newer stuff in they are inferior to older ones
Sounds much like the Ford EcoBoom unit, old PSA XUD TU engines were brilliant had them years ago, currently have a chain drive Ford petrol, doubt I’ll be swapping it out for any with these new exploding sewing machines.
Interesting video, Peugeot nevertheless has made excellent engines that run perfectly after 20 plus years with no issues. This on the contrary of more celebrated car manufacturers. Example my Peugeot 307 2004 model km 432,000, done normal services and replaced one clutch. Still does not uses oil between changes. I am therefore extremely happy with Peugeot.
This is the reason why i stay with my old cars from the 80's and 90's. My 1986 Opel Kadett 1.3i uses 0 oil between oil changes. 🥰
"Pure-Crap!" My Goodness, you know your stuff. I've just crossed a few other cars off my next-car list now. Cheers Lee.
Have a 2019 308 bought when 6 months old. Been main dealer serviced and no issues. Plenty of poke and relaxing on a long drive. If you look at forums then most engines of any type have issues eg carbon build up with direct injection engines etc. Get the bus if you are not prepared to properly service your car.
In the drive for lower emissions via increased fuel economy, piston rings with lower tension are being used to reduce engine drag. The problem is, during the compression stroke the ring can be forced closed (compressed) on one side opening a gap between the ring & piston on the opposite side. Over time it gums up the ring in the gap & the ring wears away at the cylinder sleeve in that particular spot allowing an ever-increasing amount of oil to pass the ring & begin to be consumed during combustion. Toyota 2AR-FE engine had the oil consumption problem from low friction piston rings
Great information Lee, very interesting
Great video, I've been prepping a 208 with this engine, I'm worried about selling it as is fairly noisy, it does seem to run OK tbh.
They are noisy tbh bud, like the ecoboost sound like a bag of spanners 😁
@@carukchannel OK, not had one before, got a 14 plate 208 from ab, s needing paint, 850 bid, so cheap enough but tbh I've been worried about selling it, as you say you don't want a blown up car back in 5 mths time, I actually advertised it and cancelled the advert, bottled it bud (!)
The Hyundai I10 1.0 2014 also suffers from oil issues. It actively smokes and i believe that the oil rings have failed due to crank case pressure causing oil to be pushed into the combustion chamber caused by a failed PCV valve. Replaced the valve but the damage is done, as the 3rd owner its too late.
Yes I have come across this
Have a 2015 i10 1.0, no issues
Very interesting; I had to look up PCV valve, though.
great info........give us more !!! on any cars to avoid
Thanks, needed this info. Was checking out peugeot 308 estates recently!
New or low miles I would not be to worried, its older vehicles that worry me more
@@carukchannel Used but around the 2018 year. I'm not going near them now lol.
I have the 2016 308 SW 2.0 HDI gt line, I've had it for 6 1/2 years, no issues and £20 road tax, great car. 👍❤️🇬🇧
@@cookiemonster2299 Their diesels are still reliable even the 1.5 HDi is an ok engine. Only problem is with the adblue system but you can easily get rid of that by some software magic... Older 163bhp 2.0 Hdi engines are amongst the most reliable diesels out there. Even the 1.6Hdi (DV6C) is a workhorse. Since the prince era PSA can't seem to make a good petrol engine.
Apparently from 2018 and newer they used different and cheaper materials therefore the 2018 and newer cars will break more easily. At our dealership we had 3 1.2 litre engines go within a month. You will also find soft discs and pads too on the later models. Really any Stellantis car you want to avoid that now also includes Alfa Romeo, fiat and jeep. Also I think Vauxhall have put a 10 year warranty on the wet belt because of this reason so if it breaks after the warranty it should be covered
I am a mechanic of a large car sales company, and in the process of working on a 2018 Vauxhall Grandland with one of these engines. Car was sold 2 weeks ago and customer come back with oil light flashing. They checked the oil and it was very low. Even though the car was serviced by myself before sale 2 weeks ago. So it had lost 3 liters of oil in 2 weeks. Visible smoke when revving. I used to work for Mini so know a lot about oil consumption on engines but this is on a whole new level. Car has only done 55,000 miles.
About a year ago for a friend I checked out a 19 or 20 reg Peugeot 2008 for sale at a main dealers, it had this engine with less than 20K miles on it and it sounded terrible, making a sort of pinking sound but I couldn't tell the cause. All the pimply youth of a salesman could bluster was that they did a 160 point check on each car before sale, like that was going to fill me with confidence. Friend ended up with a newish Kia Xceed. No problems at all.
Positive post.....my wifes ds3 owned from 4000 miles to current 45000, changed oil every year 5000 miles ish, changed belt at 40000 and still like new!! Never had any problems, burns no oil , great on fuel and 110 bhp goes well , feel like we have been lucky now
My wife has Peugeot 208 (2017) had to change the belt at 37k miles - but that's it. I have 3008 (2019) and have no real problems with this car: just changing oil every year. And I have no problem with rust (which I cannot say about my previous Japanese cars).
Have 2 1.2 non turbo from 2023 with 45k km each. No issues at all. belt is still the original.
You must use the correct SAE grade and correct ACEA spec for your engine. It is such a specific requirement nowadays. Mannol oil available on ebay is good value and should be available to your engines required spec. I prefer to do my own oil and filter change every year (around 2500 miles) to make sure its done right. A lot of MCC Smart cars engines failed because of non robust piston ring design being clogged and ruined by the incorrect spec oil.
Great commentary and knowledge from a seasoned professional. The oil consumption isn't just a problem with this type of engine, VAG group have also had horrific problems with some TSI/TFSI engines. Modern engines have to try and reduce friction in various ways to meet emissions standards and engineers design piston rings, cylinder coatings and cam propulsion systems to achieve it. The main issues stem from carbon build up, lack of, or incorrect maintenance, use of incorrect oil, plastic components becoming brittle or hardening with age and acids attacking internal components. The biggest problem is with vehicles that have mainly been used for short journeys at some point in their lifespan and this is true of many vehicles. Some engines are much worse than others but as a general rule of thumb anything with Japanese origins is likely to be better, if not immune to major problems. My advice is to buy Japanese and use a bicycle for short journeys if you can, then you will only have to worry about getting wet most days and getting run down and killed. 😂
The Corsa F has been one of the best selling new cars over the last three or four years. This could be big as they are now reaching higher mileages. Popular on the 2nd hand market too.
My wife has a 2 year old Corsa with the 100ps engine, just over 10k, a cracking little car to drive. I do keep a regular check on the cambelt. There is a Peugeot gauge you can buy to check the width of the belt. Apparently if the belt shows signs of widening its likely that has been contaminated by the oil.
If they suggest up to 250ml of oil per 1000 miles 5:47 Over 10,000 miles that's 2.5 litres of oil not 1 6:00 ?
Up The Railwaymen 😆
Yes I'm glad you also picked on this! Cheers.
Picked up on it I mean!
My son bought 2018 peugeot 3008 with this engine and it had wet belt problem after having it just over a year .he got in touch with a peugeot dealer who inturn got in touch with peugeot and because he had full service history they fixed it for free new belt oil pump ext .even though car was well out of warranty. So its worth speaking to your dealer you may just get it fixed for free
And that’s why I still have my 2005 407 runs like magic 😊
Great video, the whole wet belt design no matter what the engine is a colossal automotive scandal bringing misery to anyone unlucky enough to own a vehicle fitted with one.
Agree totally. Bought a 68 plate pure tech 1.2. Went for 1st MOT failed emissions 55k miles. Had a service Garage said it was thick oil. When was it last service 10k. Also seemed to be continuously topping up oil every 1000miles or so bloody nightmare of a car. But for a 1.2 it was quick. High maintenance costly car.
Slight correcton Lee, 250 ml per 1k miles means 2.5 litres per 10k not 1 litre as stated. To put that in perspective, my 13 yr old, Fiat on 122k miles uses 100ml per 1k miles/ 1 litre per 10k which is think is acceptable, I wouldn't be buying a wet belt engined car, no matter who makes it.
Yeah, that's an insane amount, my fiat with 72k 1.2 fire uses no oil despite it seeing 5000 rpm daily, oil change every 5k no exceptions.
@@dietznutz1 Mine is the 1.2 Fire too, a cracking little engine and I service mine every 10k and it never gives any problems at all. I don't know about rpm, mine doesn't have a rev counter but it does get some hammer in 3rd on slip roads to get up to speed, other than that driven gentle. I do wince sometimes when I do it, I think "weak gearboxes" and ease off lol.
@graemew7001 if yours has the same ratio it's 30mph in 1st, 60 2nd, and 85 3rd, mine just threw some misfire codes, gone now and haven't come back 🤷♂️, I don't think 69hp and 100nm can break any gearbox
@@dietznutz1 Oh I'm well safe then lol, I've hit 65mph on the speedo once or twice so about 60 in reality and changed up. There's a short slip road on my way home from work that needs a heavy foot in a Panda otherwise I don't do it.
@graemew7001 yeah, more than two people in the car I'm done, put a cheeky homemade intake on it they sound pretty nice, premium fuel makes a little difference mine was pulling strong to 90 the other day, unheard of, had to let off 😂
Ex wifes Citroen with that engine, went into Citroën when the oil pressure light came on at 2 year old. They replaced the oil pressure sensor and gave it her back. 6 months out of warranty and total engine failure due to pick-up pipe being blocked. Citroen didn't want to know.
Cheers good to know that probably saved me a fortune just seen a 2018 focus with the 1.0 Litre engine eco Boost engine 91.000 for £1.800 absolutely fantastic condition sat nav reversing sencers 6 speed box think I'll leave it and stick to the 1.500 diesel Cheers