The title of this video seems to unfairly suggest a connection between Deshaun Watson's injury and past allegations. It's important to note that Watson has not been convicted of any criminal charges, and many cases were settled or dismissed. Implying that his injury is 'karma' for unproven allegations is both misleading and unjust. Let's ensure our discussions are informed and respectful.
DUDE YOU ARE A CHUMP MAN SMH 🤦🏻♂️ US BROWNS FANS DO NOT DESERVE THIS CRAP 💩 💔 AT ALL ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL THE HORRIBLE BAD THINGS WE HAVE BEEN APART OF WITH THIS TEAM AND STILL STUCK WITH THEM WE DESERVE BETTER SHAME ON YOU MIKE
@SolidAvenger1290 you mean as a franchise stealing piece of scum... That's what the Ravens are. They are the former browns they carry everything good the browns had. Good coaching, good players, good management.
@@bullseyenow1 Flacco wanted to stay and be the no. 2. Browns didn't want that because he had too much success so it would've made the outrage over Watsons poor performance even greater than what they were expecting. We couldn't keep a good back up because our starter is so bad and on a guaranteed contract.
@@kiaadams104 Annnnd then they moved on from Baker to Deshaun Watson. So, grass isn't always greener, right? They gave up on Baker after one average season and then gave up 3 1st round picks that could've made them better.
Hey Mike, I'm 70 and have been an NFL fan all my life and I have watched how badly they have been since the 60s, Baker Mayfield was the guy but they traded him away, and brought in a guy who hasn't played in 2 years, and the results show it, in the service we would call it a cluster f###....
@@gnielsen07 Everyone likes to forget that 2019 season for some reason. Baker's career in Cleveland was hot and cold, and he needed to grow to get to where he is today. Proud of him for it
I just rewatched half of that game a couple of days ago for the first time in a few years. The whole game is free on RUclips. That night was like a movie. The mood dramatically shifted from one polar extreme to the other once he stepped in. And once he was in, the mood didn't change. I knew they were winning that game. You could feel that it was meant to be that night.
Browns fan for 38 years. Watched every game. Jimmy Haslam and the ineptitude of the front office will never allow this team to be successful. Everything was in place when Mayfield was the starter. We had all the pieces. People who don’t new football made decisions and now we’re 1-6 as the team is disintegrating to 1-15 status once again. It’s disgusting and I’m not watching anymore. Cleveland football is cursed.
Your watching! Cmon bro. All of us browns fans are with you!. Born and raised in the 216. We bitch and complain. But we cant stop watching. We love the browns too much.. Even after all the pain it has caused. One day we will win it all!! Keep the faith brother!!
Needed to sit Baker to heal because he’d die on the field for his team. Also switching OC’s every year on him and expecting him to succeed at all was testament to his ability.
@@TrojanRabbit521 One of the jobs of the head-coach is protect the player from himself. In the End he could told Baker to sit, but he never did. I made pervious comment a few days ago about Deshaun Watson not having that "do what you got to do" for his team, but if these running plays, they wanted him to run were putting too much strain on his body he should have said it in a better way than he did. He mentioned in the after-game interview that he didn't want to do the running plays, because he's not a running a back. He should've stated that He felt like he may get injured with these plays & he's not built to be a running type QB. Now he went had one given to him only to have his Achilles rupture on him with no contact to him, after he already suffered a season ending injury last year too.
Lions fan, I feel your pain! Cleveland needs a total rebuild. The Lions are finally respectable but we haven’t won anything yet. What I have learned is to build your team from the inside out. Don’t sign expensive players to fill the seats. Do it right.
The NFL ruined Couch by the new franchise building format they sanctioned on the Browns. Because the owners were mad that the last 2 expansion teams. Panthers and Jaguars came in so good so fast. So the Browns got punished right out the gate.
@@porterwake3898 I was like, Vinnie T????? Kosar/Byner is what I think of with Celeveland, of course Byner would go on to join my team, the Redskins and do well. Maybe this team needs to relocate too in order to be good again.....
You got your timeline a bit mixed up there at the end, Deshaun Watson was accused of those rape charges BEFORE any trade, plus the Browns still had Mayfield when they traded for Deshaun. So it went, Deshaun held out for a huge contract with Houston, rape allegations against Watson, Browns contact Houston about Deshaun, Mayfield heard about that contact (after being denied a contract extension from Browns) and asked to be released, Deshaun says he doesn’t want to play in Cleveland (wants Atlanta or New Orleans), Browns offer Deshaun record fully guaranteed contract to convince him to play in Cleveland, Cleveland then trades several first round draft picks for Deshaun and signs his extension (which they back loaded so he would lose the least amount of money during his upcoming suspension, which they knew was coming before trading for him), Baker traded to Carolina.
This comment needs to be higher. This video got that wrong AND doesn't know how to pronounce Sipe. Dude doesn't deserve the views if he can't get this stuff straight.
All truth! Saints fan here, I remember the rumors about Watson wanting to come here and we were revolting over it. We didn’t want a predator on our team. Mikerophone needs to get his timeline straight
I am a life long Bucs fan... I love Mayfield, he certainly has matured over the years but is still quite a character when he wants to be. But its his play on the field, the man lives for the game, the amount of "heart" in his plays is off the charts and it carries over into other teammates. He builds up others around him, helps keep the team fired up, and his ability to break tackles and defenders ankles is astounding. Hell I just watched him make 2 different "Patrick Mahomes" type throws, including a sidearm throw as he was being tackled! The guy has charisma, skill, and heart; I am pretty damn sure we have our franchise QB here in Tampa, thank you Cleveland! Also as a Bucs fan, I know what its like to be on your end of things, I lived through the Hugh Culverhouse days, and he was by far THE WORST Franchise owner in team sports history!
I AM ABOUT TO CRY I THINK IM HANGING THEM UP AND BECOMING A BUCCS FAN I PICKED YALL TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL YEAR 1 with BRADY I COULD HAVE BEEN RICH IF I WAS A BETTING MAN BUT I LOVED MAYFIELD STILL HAVE MY BAKER MERCH AND MY DANGER MAYFIELD SHIRT SUPER COOL SHIRT IM SO PISSED OFF MAN THAT WE TRADED MAYFIELD ONLY THE BROWNS WOULD DO SHIT LIKE THAT
Nice try, but have you heard of the stiepen rule in the NBA? Look it up and figure out why it exists that’ll show you the worst owner in sports history, at least intelligence-wise
They best quarterback Cleveland had in a long time was Joe Flacco and they let him walk to be a backup in Indianapolis to another quarterback he’s better than🤦🏾♂️ maybe it’s just Cleveland because Baker Mayfield is thriving in Tampa .
Donavan Mcnabb would have performed FAR worse than Tim Couch had he been drafted by Cleveland in '99. Couch doesn't get enough credit for the BS he had to deal with. Put some respect on that mans name.
Browns were a team we ALL wanted to see succeed. For the fans most of all. The owner is just a terrible owner. No team succeeds when you constantly fire coaches and gms one year into their career. The owner wants instant success but that’s not how things work and when they actually got successful, they traded away their only ever franchise qb who did a lot for the organization and the city. He loved Cleveland and Cleveland loved him. I think we all agree that he should’ve rested and got surgery that year instead of playing but that just shows you his determination. Baker has the last laugh now while the browns are falling back to their old ways
Only 23 minutes, Mike? Seriously, that could have been a two-hours, multiple episodes series... The Browns are the Browns. It wasn't cool when Ju-Ju said it, but he wasn't wrong.
Was thinking the same thing. Mike is an excellent story teller and he got too trigger happy with the Browns situation. Could have done well with making this a multi part series.
Being from Pittsburgh and being a Steelers fan it always helps when we have a bad season because I always say " It could be worse, we could be the Cleveland Clowns"! 😂
As a browns fan I can honestly say, at least we don't cry like Steeler fans when our team loses. My best friend and uncle are Steelers fans, I've never seen people have a mental breakdown over a loss like a Steelers fan besides cowboys fans. I hope that makes you feel good. Being compared to Cowboy fans.
Browns deserve all of what is happening to them. They had a hell of QB in Baker, but one down year and they kick him to the curve. I'm glad Baker is having a career resurgence in Tampa
Baker Mayfield is a baller, not a superstar. He is the quintessential underdog. The Browns were doing the grass is greener thing. They ended up finding out that, well, most people don’t change. Once a person is an adult, the best prediction of future words and actions, is past words and actions. And, bad dudes don’t make good QBs. It’s leadership mostly, and decision making. DW is obviously not a good decision maker. And why would professionals follow him?
The Browns are the underdogs so he fit perfect - Too bad the owners had no soul and paid billions for a ego-perv instead of keeping a fighter like Baker. Fools!
Cleveland did Baker dirty. He played with a torn labrum in his off arm which a passer needs to counterweight his throwing arm. It made him uncharacteristically inaccurate and shortened his throws and screwed up his throwing motion. Now that he’s recovered he’s restored his game.
Brown’s situation with baker is just such a life lesson. In the moment it’s like why am I being treated this way. But years later in the right place it becomes obvious was the browns all along and not baker that was the problem. What happened was a blessing in disguise to get baker to the right place
When did they stick with one QB for more than 4 seasons? Was it the year Jerry Jones had his head float in a jar just so he could continue to run the Cowboys into the planet's mantle?
Not the time to talk about this but his injury actually fixes all cap issues they would have because of some injury rules within salary cap. But honestly hope dude at least gets a chance to compete against the rookie they draft because seeing bro like that on the cart hurt no matterhow i felt about him before. We just watched a kids dream die live on tv
@@intelicomv2637 This is what I was wondering. I was thinking surely there is a clause for an injury settlement that can save Cleveland and maybe not everyone was sad he got hurt.
@vancewoodruff6472 ohh! Okay. Just like losers who make animal pages, always saying, "I need a name for it," knowing every sucker will comment. Thank you.
The title of the video says it all. FINALLY the Browns get their bad Karma. Because up to this point it's been all undeserved roses and rainbows...what a lucky lucky team!
Lol. . .so true. Cleveland totally earned those undelivered rainbows and roses, but the browns just suck. When Cleveland will finally be past the bad kharma no one knows.
As a Steelers fan, I've always enjoyed watching Browns games over the years even when we werent playing them. They play an oldschool style of football thats just nostalgic. Feels like Thanksgiving. Seems like someone moved a totem from Cleveland back in the 90s and forever cursed the team! Whats it gonna take, Lamar being sent to Cleveland?! lol
It's silly that you're probably correct. There was no way in heck that they were ever going to bench Watson with that massive contract he has. No matter how bad he is they were going to keep playing him anyway. Now they have no choice but to play Winston, which is very likely an upgrade. The Browns need to realize that Watson is a huge loss and just move on, regardless of the money. I doubt they will though; the team is a much bigger mess than the Raiders are, and that's saying something.
@@hustlinghard8081 To be clear, I didn’t cheer for him getting injured on my comment, you read it again, I was merely stating a fact. That being said, I will cheer on his in this particular case; sexual predators deserve no amount of empathy.
I appreciate a fellow student of the game. Paterno was my inspiration, a master of the game. As a Ravens 🐦⬛ fan, I seldom think about the Browns unless they're beating us. Fortunately, that is rare. I do love watching NFL history as I grew up watching the glory days as a child and the two decades past. Living near Baltimore, you have to be a football 🏈 fan. Thanks for the nostalgia and refreshing NFL history in our culture. Keep up the good work, brother.
The title of this video seems to unfairly suggest a connection between Deshaun Watson's injury and past allegations. It's important to note that Watson has not been convicted of any criminal charges, and many cases were settled or dismissed. Implying that his injury is 'karma' for unproven allegations is both misleading and unjust. Let's ensure our discussions are informed and respectful.
I know this isn't going to mean much to many of you... but I was a Browns fan at birth and put up with all the chaos, every year, and it was always the same old same old. When they did Baker dirty that was it for me. Wrote them off then and there and I hope they continue to wonder "What if" when it comes to Mayfield. I know the dude is doing great in Tampa now, but the Browns had something. Per usual, they quite literally dropped the buck.
I genuinely do not know what's wrong with this organization, just look at baker he was drafted there and did well give or take then implosion and traded and has been a good QB sense, they then tried bringing in a tried and true good veteran QB and it has gone awful, so neither drafted or veterans work out... I think they need to look at internal factors before anything else.
Also I hate the browns fans that try to justify on letting go of baker he had two bad seasons and both of them were not his fault. His second season there they gave him a head coach with no experience at all coaching and his final season there he had a shoulder injury on his throwing shoulder the only reason he played through it because the browns still had a chance to make the playoffs. Baker gave the browns franchise hope and won yall a playoff game and almost beat cheifs in Kansas city if the WR didn't fumble going for the end zone and gave y'all a huge chance to make the playoffs in a tough division and conference.
After examining years of data, scientific experiments in my lab, and consulting 2 classified think tanks, the conclusion that the analyzed data indicates is..... the GM sucks BLUE WHALE PENIS.
I’m a Steelers fan that lives in eastern Ohio, so I’m always very aware of what the Browns are up to. I’ve often wondered if it’s not actually some sort of money laundering/tax evasion scheme that the owners have going on with making of all of these clearly horrible decisions.
As a browns fan… you finally said it right at the end…. It used to be easy to feel bad…. But not anymore!! Not after throwing away baker for Watson….!! Most fans never wanted to move on from baker… and are more sick and tired of browns bullshit and blunders, especially now, then ever before…! Sure we wanted Watson benched a month ago, when it was pretty clear something’s just off…. Whether that being his mind, just not seeing the game and field quick as needed after missing 75% of games the past 4 years, or what… but dammit him getting hurt is probably the least helpful thing… now it’s going to be the same exact shit next year…. “How’s he rehabbing?! Is he gonna be ready!? Is he still rusty!?” If for some reason ownership still wont admit failure and goes back to him week 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, next year, however long until he’s ‘healthy’…. Yes!! He will still be rusty!! He will always be rusty! At that point next year he’ll have played 1 seasons worth of games in 5 years….
Art Modell has to go down as one of the worst owners ever. And not just for moving the Browns out of Cleveland, or for spending way beyond his means, such that he was eventually forced to sell the Ravens. But he’s probably the only owner to fire not one, but two of the greatest coaches to ever coach the game: Paul Brown and Bill Belichick.
Bill was a lame duck, as the team was moving. Modell, isn’t worst than Irsay… He also fired Brown, yes. In context, Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry, At the time, it was necessary (power struggle)… Bill wasn’t Bill yet… a tad bit of revisionist history. He did take Ozzie Newsome with him, made him GM of a highly successful franchise. The turnover to Steve Bischotti, the current majority owner, wasn’t a hostile takeover, lol, and he wasn’t the only owner to ever sell his franchise due to financial hardship. I get that fans are angry, but all fans should be angry at owners like Irsay, Modell, why? Because they are forced to rely on local fans tax dollars to finance their new stadiums. When Baltimore citizens balked, Irsay took the team and all the history to Indianapolis. Cleveland residents, did the same, didn’t vote for it… and Modell moved his franchise ~ to a city that suffered the same fate 12 years earlier. To this day, I still dislike the Irsays, not because they moved the team, because they took the history. At least the Browns have their history. I feel for Browns fans, because the organization is run horribly ~ stark contrast to what Ozzie has built in Baltimore… But you can’t blame Modell for the proceeding 25 years of piss poor management.
Browns fans have a lot of nerve to pretend like they didnt want Watson from the start. They were going through hoops trying to defend it. This is also the same same fans that defended Myles Garrett for using his helmet as a mace and the same ones that injured refs during the bottle game. Imo they dont deserve a franchise and this is the universe telling them so.
I remember when Browns fans were touting Charlie Frye as "the real MAC quarterback" or whatever when Ben Roethlisberger was in his third or fourth season.
It's understandable the Browns being the joke of the NFL but my NY Giants are giving them a run for their money. In fact, I can argue a it's even more pitiful for a big market team like NYG to be so incompetent.Two things the Browns-Giants-Panthers all have in common though: clueless, inept owners and MAJOR mistakes at QB!
Lmfao....I am a lions fan, but even still I said it before they did and said it after this is not a good move for the Browns. And this makes me feel vindicated to what I was saying. After seeing this I am thinking the Browns shouldn't have come back in 99. It has just been a disaster for them since they have.
me as a browns fan seeing this title "what do you mean finally I havent been not suffering ever because everytime we have success ownership fucks it up"
His name is Sipe, like site with a P instead of a T. I lived this, and no Vinny was a scrub who took over for the third best QB in Browns history, Bernie Kosar. Belichick didn't like that Kosar was smarter and knew more about the game than him, so he benched then traded him. Kosar's last play as a QB for Cleveland was a play he drew up in the dirt after Belichick called a run play on 3rd and long. He threw a TD to Micheal Jackson and then was benched. Had the Browns won AFC championship game over Denver and then a Superbowl, he would be in the HOF. Screw you dude!!!! I never wanted Watson just like half my friends!!! Why do we deserve this when it is our owner who is a piece of shit!!! I demand a retraction of us as fans deserve this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have the timeline for the Watson/Mayfield debacle backwards. Watson requested a trade just before the allegations came out against him. That’s why the browns felt they had to offer a fully guaranteed contract. After they signed him there was a short period of time before they traded Baker.
Dude...why you saying they didn't have a stable QB since Snipe when Testeverde came along. The had Bernie Kosar which is probably their second greatest QB after Otto Graham.
Love your videos. You are the absolute best and I love your passion but a few things… it’s Brian Sipe pronounced SYPE and you forgot a legend named Kosar that took the Browns to 3 AFC title games in the 80s. 3 plays defined that era, 88 red right, the drive and the fumble. At the end of the 80s, the old Browns had the most playoff wins of any team in NFL history. People like to point out Belichicks lousy record with the Browns but he oversaw a top to bottom rebuild. It was a 3 win team in 1990 before BB got there with there being holes on every spot on the roster and he did an amazing job rebuilding. The Pats team he took over in 2000 still had a lot of great defensive pieces from the previous era. The Browns biggest issue is not only QB but the skill positions around the QB. Outside of Joe Thomas, how many pro bowl O linemen have the Browns had? How many pro bowl WRs have they had outside of Josh Gordon?? They overpaid big time for Deshaun Watson but that offense the way it is constructed was never better than a one and done. Mayfield has been spectacular in Tampa but his receivers, O line and even RB positions are worlds apart in terms of quality better than what he had in Cleveland. They need a Ron Wolf or Bill Polian type to give this team direction. A turnaround can happen a lot faster than people think. Look at what Detroit has done the last few years. This franchise just needs direction and unfortunately a fire sale to get back draft picks and cap space and a top to bottom rebuild. Miles Garrett is never going to win you a championship in Cleveland. Maybe this is the moment when they find their GM; their George Young or Ron Wolf. Maybe there is hope in Cleveland after all
🛑🛑Brian SipE????🤷♂️ it’s Brian Sipe (Long “I” Sound). The guy threw for over 23,000 yards, and 154 Touchdowns with the Browns. 💯 🏈 GEEZ !!🤷♂️ Brain Sipe was the AFC, Most Valuable Player in 1980 while playing for the Browns, and you spend 5 seconds on him; and mispronounced his name. 🤣😂😂👍
I am so done with the Browns. Ownership and Andrew Berry destroyed the team. Now players defending Watson, even going as far as to call him a "model citizen" is wild. They are no longer a team. Just a bunch of "ME" guys all wearing the same uniform. They will go 1-16. It's officially in rebuild mode and I'm not doing it again. F the Browns.
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The title of this video seems to unfairly suggest a connection between Deshaun Watson's injury and past allegations. It's important to note that Watson has not been convicted of any criminal charges, and many cases were settled or dismissed. Implying that his injury is 'karma' for unproven allegations is both misleading and unjust. Let's ensure our discussions are informed and respectful.
DUDE YOU ARE A CHUMP MAN SMH 🤦🏻♂️ US BROWNS FANS DO NOT DESERVE THIS CRAP 💩 💔 AT ALL ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL THE HORRIBLE BAD THINGS WE HAVE BEEN APART OF WITH THIS TEAM AND STILL STUCK WITH THEM WE DESERVE BETTER SHAME ON YOU MIKE
@@C007MiamiMoodseveryone thinks they different 😢they try lol
A bro do the Raiders history next I beg you!!!!
The Browns owners and front office get what they deserve. Baker and Flacco must be laughing to themselves.
Agreed. As a Ravens fan, it was idiotic by them to screw Flacco over. HOWEVER, both he & Baker are with better teams. Browns karma sadly.
@@SolidAvenger1290 How did they screw Flacco over? I agree Baker but not Flacco.
@SolidAvenger1290 you mean as a franchise stealing piece of scum... That's what the Ravens are. They are the former browns they carry everything good the browns had. Good coaching, good players, good management.
@@bullseyenow1 Flacco wanted to stay and be the no. 2. Browns didn't want that because he had too much success so it would've made the outrage over Watsons poor performance even greater than what they were expecting. We couldn't keep a good back up because our starter is so bad and on a guaranteed contract.
Squarely on ownership. The problems are the same no matter how many times they flush-and-fill the front office.
"Brian Sip-ee" 😂 Sipe rhymes with Pipe & he had a good career.
Yeah, that was funny. Only us old skool guys know stuff like that.
Credibility ⬇️..lol jk
My first thought was sounds like pipe with an s as well.
Nobody remembers the legends anymore, man. Sad 💩
He won an MVP!!!!
Bruh Cleveland was actually good with Baker at QB. They’re just in a really tough division. Now they doodoo in a tough division.
Baker was inconsistent on Browns. Nick Chubb is what made them special that year. Not Baker. Yall don't know ball smh.
Y'all have always been trash and will continue being trash.
@@shakurj idk who hurt you but calm down it will be okay. Trash or not I will always be a Brownie.
@@kiaadams104 Annnnd then they moved on from Baker to Deshaun Watson. So, grass isn't always greener, right? They gave up on Baker after one average season and then gave up 3 1st round picks that could've made them better.
Coincidentally the only year Chubb made his team playoff contenders. Hmmmm
Hey Mike, I'm 70 and have been an NFL fan all my life and I have watched how badly they have been since the 60s, Baker Mayfield was the guy but they traded him away, and brought in a guy who hasn't played in 2 years, and the results show it, in the service we would call it a cluster f###....
Well said
Fubar organization
Here ya
Ben Roethlisberger has the 2nd most wins for a qb at Browns stadium 🤣 he was 1st until Baker
Lmfao good lord how pathetic.
Ben Roethlisberger also sexually assaulted someone too....Pittsburgh fans love their diddler
😂😂😂
Browns screwed Baker for a predator.
Baker almost played himself out of the league. Give him credit for the turnaround. He was not ballin' here and had fan base split at best.
@@MikeBeltMikeBelthe absolutely was balling there and the only time he played bad is when he was playing through a bad shoulder
@@funkgremlin2765his 2019 and 2021 seasons sucked
@kenhill3230 "allegedly ...allegedly that's ignorant"..iykyk
@@gnielsen07 Everyone likes to forget that 2019 season for some reason. Baker's career in Cleveland was hot and cold, and he needed to grow to get to where he is today. Proud of him for it
Browns, and Shannon Sharpe did Mayfield dirty… Good on him for believing in himself and sticking in there… 💪
Shannon Sharpe doesn't like to give credit or praise to wht players..
He has a complex and it requires continuous ego boosting by association.
@theScotian24 couldn't of said it better! And rails dudes on Instagram not by accident but for the illuminati
Was at browns win vs jets and Bakers first game playing as a brown. It was an amazing day as a browns fan should have kept him
I was there too in the nosebleeds! It was balmy Thursday night, and New Jersey folks were talking their "goi-beege." 😂
I just rewatched half of that game a couple of days ago for the first time in a few years.
The whole game is free on RUclips.
That night was like a movie. The mood dramatically shifted from one polar extreme to the other once he stepped in. And once he was in, the mood didn't change. I knew they were winning that game. You could feel that it was meant to be that night.
Browns fan for 38 years. Watched every game. Jimmy Haslam and the ineptitude of the front office will never allow this team to be successful. Everything was in place when Mayfield was the starter. We had all the pieces. People who don’t new football made decisions and now we’re 1-6 as the team is disintegrating to 1-15 status once again. It’s disgusting and I’m not watching anymore. Cleveland football is cursed.
im a Steelers fan, i feel bad for Browns fans. you just can't shoot your own feet before you just don't have any feet.
Your watching! Cmon bro. All of us browns fans are with you!. Born and raised in the 216. We bitch and complain. But we cant stop watching. We love the browns too much.. Even after all the pain it has caused. One day we will win it all!! Keep the faith brother!!
Needed to sit Baker to heal because he’d die on the field for his team. Also switching OC’s every year on him and expecting him to succeed at all was testament to his ability.
@@TrojanRabbit521 One of the jobs of the head-coach is protect the player from himself. In the End he could told Baker to sit, but he never did.
I made pervious comment a few days ago about Deshaun Watson not having that "do what you got to do" for his team, but if these running plays, they wanted him to run were putting too much strain on his body he should have said it in a better way than he did. He mentioned in the after-game interview that he didn't want to do the running plays, because he's not a running a back. He should've stated that He felt like he may get injured with these plays & he's not built to be a running type QB.
Now he went had one given to him only to have his Achilles rupture on him with no contact to him, after he already suffered a season ending injury last year too.
Lions fan, I feel your pain! Cleveland needs a total rebuild. The Lions are finally respectable but we haven’t won anything yet. What I have learned is to build your team from the inside out. Don’t sign expensive players to fill the seats. Do it right.
Couch had a lot of talent , the browns just ruined him like everyone else
It’s tough to look good with a league worst offensive line, same thing the Texans did to David Carr lol
The NFL ruined Couch by the new franchise building format they sanctioned on the Browns. Because the owners were mad that the last 2 expansion teams. Panthers and Jaguars came in so good so fast. So the Browns got punished right out the gate.
No, the line was horrendous.
You forgot about Bernie Kosar and what he accomplished with Cleveland. He's still God in Cleveland!
This RUclips creator operates off of wikipedia apparently. No real football knowledge.
@@porterwake3898 I was like, Vinnie T????? Kosar/Byner is what I think of with Celeveland, of course Byner would go on to join my team, the Redskins and do well. Maybe this team needs to relocate too in order to be good again.....
@@porterwake3898
You know he doesn't know a thing when he pronounced Sipe "sipp-ee"
He started the video off in 1994, Kosar’s last season with Cleveland was 1992.
Your timeline is a little off.
Yes Bernie took the fanbase to the level of pain that only a Cub fan could relate
You got your timeline a bit mixed up there at the end, Deshaun Watson was accused of those rape charges BEFORE any trade, plus the Browns still had Mayfield when they traded for Deshaun.
So it went, Deshaun held out for a huge contract with Houston, rape allegations against Watson, Browns contact Houston about Deshaun, Mayfield heard about that contact (after being denied a contract extension from Browns) and asked to be released, Deshaun says he doesn’t want to play in Cleveland (wants Atlanta or New Orleans), Browns offer Deshaun record fully guaranteed contract to convince him to play in Cleveland, Cleveland then trades several first round draft picks for Deshaun and signs his extension (which they back loaded so he would lose the least amount of money during his upcoming suspension, which they knew was coming before trading for him), Baker traded to Carolina.
This comment needs to be higher. This video got that wrong AND doesn't know how to pronounce Sipe.
Dude doesn't deserve the views if he can't get this stuff straight.
All truth!
Saints fan here, I remember the rumors about Watson wanting to come here and we were revolting over it. We didn’t want a predator on our team. Mikerophone needs to get his timeline straight
I am a life long Bucs fan... I love Mayfield, he certainly has matured over the years but is still quite a character when he wants to be. But its his play on the field, the man lives for the game, the amount of "heart" in his plays is off the charts and it carries over into other teammates. He builds up others around him, helps keep the team fired up, and his ability to break tackles and defenders ankles is astounding.
Hell I just watched him make 2 different "Patrick Mahomes" type throws, including a sidearm throw as he was being tackled!
The guy has charisma, skill, and heart; I am pretty damn sure we have our franchise QB here in Tampa, thank you Cleveland!
Also as a Bucs fan, I know what its like to be on your end of things, I lived through the Hugh Culverhouse days, and he was by far THE WORST Franchise owner in team sports history!
We wanted an adult at qb..an adult film porn star escort master.
I AM ABOUT TO CRY I THINK IM HANGING THEM UP AND BECOMING A BUCCS FAN I PICKED YALL TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL YEAR 1 with BRADY I COULD HAVE BEEN RICH IF I WAS A BETTING MAN BUT I LOVED MAYFIELD STILL HAVE MY BAKER MERCH AND MY DANGER MAYFIELD SHIRT SUPER COOL SHIRT IM SO PISSED OFF MAN THAT WE TRADED MAYFIELD ONLY THE BROWNS WOULD DO SHIT LIKE THAT
Y'know, Baker's charisma is really underrated. I bet he could be an actor when retires someday! 😅
Nice try, but have you heard of the stiepen rule in the NBA? Look it up and figure out why it exists that’ll show you the worst owner in sports history, at least intelligence-wise
@@nonot8232Steipen looks like a genius next to Haslem just saying.
They best quarterback Cleveland had in a long time was Joe Flacco and they let him walk to be a backup in Indianapolis to another quarterback he’s better than🤦🏾♂️ maybe it’s just Cleveland because Baker Mayfield is thriving in Tampa .
Even funnier is Baker had a stop in carolina, another team that quarterbacks leave and do great 😂😂😂
@@WillyKillya 😂😂😂true, everyone except Cam Newton . It didn’t work out for him.
@@cjjohnson3827 yeah that's true but he was good with them the first time around
If only we could fire the owners, the real source of the problem for a lot of teams
Agreed. The current case study is Washington without Snyder. Winning culture is built top-down, not the other way.
As a Carolina Panthers fan..I 💯 % AGREE. David Tepper (and his Football decision making WIFE) are THE WORST!LOL
Modell fired the fans
Carolina losing by 40 to Washington without Daniels right now:
FR 😂😂
Prayers to Daniels 🙏
@@northwestkidmarc he had a rib injury he should be back next week hopefully
@@dalo356dg I hope so he's definitely been amazing
@@northwestkidmarc FR
Donavan Mcnabb would have performed FAR worse than Tim Couch had he been drafted by Cleveland in '99. Couch doesn't get enough credit for the BS he had to deal with. Put some respect on that mans name.
Browns were a team we ALL wanted to see succeed. For the fans most of all. The owner is just a terrible owner. No team succeeds when you constantly fire coaches and gms one year into their career. The owner wants instant success but that’s not how things work and when they actually got successful, they traded away their only ever franchise qb who did a lot for the organization and the city. He loved Cleveland and Cleveland loved him. I think we all agree that he should’ve rested and got surgery that year instead of playing but that just shows you his determination. Baker has the last laugh now while the browns are falling back to their old ways
Ahh the Cleveland Browns, the factory of sadness
i don’t get sad no more i just laugh at the team
Lmao 😂😂😂
@@skieu1 ATP it's a mix of both
@@thamacaveli3548 it was a mix now i just laugh. We we’ll always be the sorry team of nfl, the cleveland clowns not the browns
@@skieu1 Until they get rid of Watson, expect this to continue
Browns are so poorly managed.
only when it comes to major decisions !
Not the fault of management. It's the fans' fault
D. Watson NFL's very own P. Diddy
Only 23 minutes, Mike?
Seriously, that could have been a two-hours, multiple episodes series...
The Browns are the Browns. It wasn't cool when Ju-Ju said it, but he wasn't wrong.
Was thinking the same thing. Mike is an excellent story teller and he got too trigger happy with the Browns situation. Could have done well with making this a multi part series.
The owner has done all this, he's a dumpster fire....
Being from Pittsburgh and being a Steelers fan it always helps when we have a bad season because I always say " It could be worse, we could be the Cleveland Clowns"! 😂
Lol
@@bigjmcgirt8864 as a browns fan we are clowns
As a browns fan I can honestly say, at least we don't cry like Steeler fans when our team loses. My best friend and uncle are Steelers fans, I've never seen people have a mental breakdown over a loss like a Steelers fan besides cowboys fans. I hope that makes you feel good. Being compared to Cowboy fans.
@@J_Hump bc we always lose man we use to being ass. I feel like even if we had tom Brady as a qb we would still lose some how
@@J_Hump sorry for your family but I'll turn off the game if we are playing like ass. Which has actually been a lot in the last 3 years lol
Do you realize that Deshaun being out is GOOD for us? Lol
WATSON IS GONE 🦀
WATSON IS GONE 🦀
Browns deserve all of what is happening to them. They had a hell of QB in Baker, but one down year and they kick him to the curve. I'm glad Baker is having a career resurgence in Tampa
Baker was an asshole in Cleveland
And Baker was hurt!
Baker Mayfield is a baller, not a superstar. He is the quintessential underdog. The Browns were doing the grass is greener thing. They ended up finding out that, well, most people don’t change. Once a person is an adult, the best prediction of future words and actions, is past words and actions.
And, bad dudes don’t make good QBs. It’s leadership mostly, and decision making. DW is obviously not a good decision maker. And why would professionals follow him?
The Browns are the underdogs so he fit perfect - Too bad the owners had no soul and paid billions for a ego-perv instead of keeping a fighter like Baker. Fools!
Great, great great presentation. Funny thing, through several parts, I kept thinking, insert NY Jets😎
Cleveland did Baker dirty. He played with a torn labrum in his off arm which a passer needs to counterweight his throwing arm. It made him uncharacteristically inaccurate and shortened his throws and screwed up his throwing motion. Now that he’s recovered he’s restored his game.
Drafted him first overall and gave him lots of chances and then moved on. Yeah he was done so dirty. Nobody should be treated that poorly lol
Man poor Dan. He just cant escape that safety moment lol. Also great video. Didnt really know any of the browns history
as browns and Cleveland citizen the only thing cleveland well have is that 2016 nba finals thanks to LeBron James
And if he gets linked to diddy completely, how would you feel then?
@@chrislong8559won’t be as sad as when I found out about the priests that touched all them boys
@@chrislong8559oh he is linked fs. i can’t do nothing about lol most of the famous people do sketchy stuff we probably don’t know nothing about it
They will always have good grammar as long as you are there…
You know what's crazy I'm not even suprised he got injured it's always something with Watson 😮💨🤣
I wish nothing but the best for Baker. He deserves it.
Brown’s situation with baker is just such a life lesson. In the moment it’s like why am I being treated this way. But years later in the right place it becomes obvious was the browns all along and not baker that was the problem. What happened was a blessing in disguise to get baker to the right place
The year is 9999
The Cleveland Browns have had 11,500 qb’s since 1999 and have not won a playoff game since 2020 and not made the playoffs since 2023
When did they stick with one QB for more than 4 seasons? Was it the year Jerry Jones had his head float in a jar just so he could continue to run the Cowboys into the planet's mantle?
Browns wont be competitive again until at least 2027 thanks to watsons contract
Sad but true
Not the time to talk about this but his injury actually fixes all cap issues they would have because of some injury rules within salary cap. But honestly hope dude at least gets a chance to compete against the rookie they draft because seeing bro like that on the cart hurt no matterhow i felt about him before. We just watched a kids dream die live on tv
@@intelicomv2637 This is what I was wondering. I was thinking surely there is a clause for an injury settlement that can save Cleveland and maybe not everyone was sad he got hurt.
Na, until Haslam sells the team
Imagine taking Groper Cleveland over a much better QB, and by all accounts, a much better human being. Browns deserve this
"Brian SIPPY?" How old are you? It's Brian "Sipe" (psype). That was so funny!
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@vancewoodruff6472 ohh! Okay. Just like losers who make animal pages, always saying, "I need a name for it," knowing every sucker will comment. Thank you.
Because Jimmy wanted an "adult" QB, right??? You get what you deserve, Cleveland! Enjoy it! 😂
Rg3 was in his 4th year way past his prime was so accurate 😂
Also Jeff Garcia got them to .500. That's worth more than a Superbowl.
The title of the video says it all. FINALLY the Browns get their bad Karma. Because up to this point it's been all undeserved roses and rainbows...what a lucky lucky team!
Lol. . .so true. Cleveland totally earned those undelivered rainbows and roses, but the browns just suck. When Cleveland will finally be past the bad kharma no one knows.
They should of stuck it out with Joe Flacco
As a Steelers fan, I've always enjoyed watching Browns games over the years even when we werent playing them. They play an oldschool style of football thats just nostalgic. Feels like Thanksgiving. Seems like someone moved a totem from Cleveland back in the 90s and forever cursed the team! Whats it gonna take, Lamar being sent to Cleveland?! lol
goddamn manzel’s face when he got drafted. i’ve never seen a player so obviously disappointed to be drafted by a team
11:09 😂thats why i love Gruden. Kiper looking like a schoolboy couldnt stop him
I like your videos like this where it focuses on the history and not just a drama headline
19:48 The Browns traded for Watson AFTER his scandal went public. In fact WTson sat a whole season on the bench in Houston during the mess.
Watson’s injury has been biggest highlight for the Browns this year.
Bro see how easy Winston came in and moved the offense. Dude still has a live arm.just gotta keep the turnovers down
@@chrislong8559thats why we haven't seen him yet. We're gonna see now.
Regardless of how you feel about someone it's shitty to cheer on an injury. There is absolutely no empathy left in this country. It's a shame
It's silly that you're probably correct. There was no way in heck that they were ever going to bench Watson with that massive contract he has. No matter how bad he is they were going to keep playing him anyway. Now they have no choice but to play Winston, which is very likely an upgrade. The Browns need to realize that Watson is a huge loss and just move on, regardless of the money. I doubt they will though; the team is a much bigger mess than the Raiders are, and that's saying something.
@@hustlinghard8081 To be clear, I didn’t cheer for him getting injured on my comment, you read it again, I was merely stating a fact. That being said, I will cheer on his in this particular case; sexual predators deserve no amount of empathy.
I appreciate a fellow student of the game. Paterno was my inspiration, a master of the game. As a Ravens 🐦⬛ fan, I seldom think about the Browns unless they're beating us. Fortunately, that is rare. I do love watching NFL history as I grew up watching the glory days as a child and the two decades past. Living near Baltimore, you have to be a football 🏈 fan. Thanks for the nostalgia and refreshing NFL history in our culture. Keep up the good work, brother.
Reap what you sow, Browns.
Facts
The title of this video seems to unfairly suggest a connection between Deshaun Watson's injury and past allegations. It's important to note that Watson has not been convicted of any criminal charges, and many cases were settled or dismissed. Implying that his injury is 'karma' for unproven allegations is both misleading and unjust. Let's ensure our discussions are informed and respectful.
@@C007MiamiMoods No.
@@C007MiamiMoodsAlso no.
@@C007MiamiMoods I am criticizing the Browns.
Dennis Allen and the New Orleans Saints and the Carolina Panthers are close seconds.
Trent dilfer won a SB with the Baltimore Ravens. Of course the browns would want him to be their QB.
I know this isn't going to mean much to many of you... but I was a Browns fan at birth and put up with all the chaos, every year, and it was always the same old same old. When they did Baker dirty that was it for me. Wrote them off then and there and I hope they continue to wonder "What if" when it comes to Mayfield. I know the dude is doing great in Tampa now, but the Browns had something. Per usual, they quite literally dropped the buck.
I genuinely do not know what's wrong with this organization, just look at baker he was drafted there and did well give or take then implosion and traded and has been a good QB sense, they then tried bringing in a tried and true good veteran QB and it has gone awful, so neither drafted or veterans work out... I think they need to look at internal factors before anything else.
Also I hate the browns fans that try to justify on letting go of baker he had two bad seasons and both of them were not his fault. His second season there they gave him a head coach with no experience at all coaching and his final season there he had a shoulder injury on his throwing shoulder the only reason he played through it because the browns still had a chance to make the playoffs. Baker gave the browns franchise hope and won yall a playoff game and almost beat cheifs in Kansas city if the WR didn't fumble going for the end zone and gave y'all a huge chance to make the playoffs in a tough division and conference.
What's the mystery? They can't get the positions of general manager, head coach, and QB correct. Other than that, there are no issues. 🤣
After examining years of data, scientific experiments in my lab, and consulting 2 classified think tanks, the conclusion that the analyzed data indicates is.....
the GM sucks BLUE WHALE PENIS.
The Browns are one of the major reasons that Cleveland is referred to as " the mistake by the lake"
Man Mike you are something special.
I’m a Steelers fan that lives in eastern Ohio, so I’m always very aware of what the Browns are up to. I’ve often wondered if it’s not actually some sort of money laundering/tax evasion scheme that the owners have going on with making of all of these clearly horrible decisions.
Sippy. Lol. It sounds like it spells. Funniest shit I've heard in a long time.
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As a browns fan… you finally said it right at the end…. It used to be easy to feel bad…. But not anymore!! Not after throwing away baker for Watson….!! Most fans never wanted to move on from baker… and are more sick and tired of browns bullshit and blunders, especially now, then ever before…!
Sure we wanted Watson benched a month ago, when it was pretty clear something’s just off…. Whether that being his mind, just not seeing the game and field quick as needed after missing 75% of games the past 4 years, or what… but dammit him getting hurt is probably the least helpful thing… now it’s going to be the same exact shit next year…. “How’s he rehabbing?! Is he gonna be ready!? Is he still rusty!?” If for some reason ownership still wont admit failure and goes back to him week 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, next year, however long until he’s ‘healthy’…. Yes!! He will still be rusty!! He will always be rusty! At that point next year he’ll have played 1 seasons worth of games in 5 years….
The level of failure and incompetence of the Browns is impressive and almost improbable.
As a lifelong Browns fan this is karma shining through. Should’ve never screwed Baker over (fans too)
Geez, I always joke that your videos always start by going way back in history before getting to the topic, but this one really goes waaaay back 😅
Art Modell has to go down as one of the worst owners ever. And not just for moving the Browns out of Cleveland, or for spending way beyond his means, such that he was eventually forced to sell the Ravens.
But he’s probably the only owner to fire not one, but two of the greatest coaches to ever coach the game: Paul Brown and Bill Belichick.
Fired Marty Scottenheimer too
Bill was a lame duck, as the team was moving.
Modell, isn’t worst than Irsay…
He also fired Brown, yes. In context, Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry, At the time, it was necessary (power struggle)…
Bill wasn’t Bill yet… a tad bit of revisionist history.
He did take Ozzie Newsome with him, made him GM of a highly successful franchise.
The turnover to Steve Bischotti, the current majority owner, wasn’t a hostile takeover, lol, and he wasn’t the only owner to ever sell his franchise due to financial hardship.
I get that fans are angry, but all fans should be angry at owners like Irsay, Modell, why?
Because they are forced to rely on local fans tax dollars to finance their new stadiums. When Baltimore citizens balked, Irsay took the team and all the history to Indianapolis.
Cleveland residents, did the same, didn’t vote for it… and Modell moved his franchise ~ to a city that suffered the same fate 12 years earlier.
To this day, I still dislike the Irsays, not because they moved the team, because they took the history. At least the Browns have their history.
I feel for Browns fans, because the organization is run horribly ~ stark contrast to what Ozzie has built in Baltimore…
But you can’t blame Modell for the proceeding 25 years of piss poor management.
Just because someone is a billionaire does it mean they know what they're doing.
Great story telling video
Browns fans have a lot of nerve to pretend like they didnt want Watson from the start. They were going through hoops trying to defend it. This is also the same same fans that defended Myles Garrett for using his helmet as a mace and the same ones that injured refs during the bottle game. Imo they dont deserve a franchise and this is the universe telling them so.
Don’t forget the one starting Sunday can’t keep his hands off girls either 😂
As a TEXANS fan, I think you are being to hard on DEEShawn ... He's worth every Penny / Draft Pick the Brown's gave up for him ... Hahahahahaha
11:08 Gruden couldn't have been more right 😅
And just like that the Interception Machine returns😂
I remember when Browns fans were touting Charlie Frye as "the real MAC quarterback" or whatever when Ben Roethlisberger was in his third or fourth season.
Love your video Mike and keep up the great work you are awesome
The Factory of Sadness has been re-opened for a long time.
jeff garcia was a solid qb .... for the niners lol
Brian Sipe like "Pipe".
Yeah he said id like a sippee cup lol
It's understandable the Browns being the joke of the NFL but my NY Giants are giving them a run for their money. In fact, I can argue a it's even more pitiful for a big market team like NYG to be so incompetent.Two things the Browns-Giants-Panthers all have in common though: clueless, inept owners and MAJOR mistakes at QB!
Giants are rebuilding, and at least their owner helped win two super bowls against the Pats.
Lmfao....I am a lions fan, but even still I said it before they did and said it after this is not a good move for the Browns. And this makes me feel vindicated to what I was saying. After seeing this I am thinking the Browns shouldn't have come back in 99. It has just been a disaster for them since they have.
me as a browns fan seeing this title "what do you mean finally I havent been not suffering ever because everytime we have success ownership fucks it up"
Same ol’ Brahnies. Cleveland, the mistake by the lake.
Jack's Joker said it best: "This town needs an enima!"
They just need to rebrand. Change that entire shit up. New name, new colors, new stadium.
New city
The Cleveland Frown Show never gets old.
22:48 - Surprised Mike didn't call them humans
His name is Sipe, like site with a P instead of a T. I lived this, and no Vinny was a scrub who took over for the third best QB in Browns history, Bernie Kosar. Belichick didn't like that Kosar was smarter and knew more about the game than him, so he benched then traded him.
Kosar's last play as a QB for Cleveland was a play he drew up in the dirt after Belichick called a run play on 3rd and long. He threw a TD to Micheal Jackson and then was benched. Had the Browns won AFC championship game over Denver and then a Superbowl, he would be in the HOF.
Screw you dude!!!!
I never wanted Watson just like half my friends!!! Why do we deserve this when it is our owner who is a piece of shit!!!
I demand a retraction of us as fans deserve this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Remember all the Backer Browns Stadium Commercials???
You have the timeline for the Watson/Mayfield debacle backwards. Watson requested a trade just before the allegations came out against him. That’s why the browns felt they had to offer a fully guaranteed contract. After they signed him there was a short period of time before they traded Baker.
Fun fact: Browns Owner Jimmy Haslem also owns the reigning MLS champion Columbus Crew
I can remember the Browns losing the AFC championship to the Denver Donkeys twice in the late 1980's when I started watching football in high school.
Dude...why you saying they didn't have a stable QB since Snipe when Testeverde came along. The had Bernie Kosar which is probably their second greatest QB after Otto Graham.
I think that's why he left him out.
Haslam inherited T&A and Pilot and is quickly running both into the ground along with the 'cleaver-land' butchers.
I'm from Cleveland. I gave up on the Clowns years ago.
Love your videos. You are the absolute best and I love your passion but a few things… it’s Brian Sipe pronounced SYPE and you forgot a legend named Kosar that took the Browns to 3 AFC title games in the 80s. 3 plays defined that era, 88 red right, the drive and the fumble. At the end of the 80s, the old Browns had the most playoff wins of any team in NFL history. People like to point out Belichicks lousy record with the Browns but he oversaw a top to bottom rebuild. It was a 3 win team in 1990 before BB got there with there being holes on every spot on the roster and he did an amazing job rebuilding. The Pats team he took over in 2000 still had a lot of great defensive pieces from the previous era. The Browns biggest issue is not only QB but the skill positions around the QB. Outside of Joe Thomas, how many pro bowl O linemen have the Browns had? How many pro bowl WRs have they had outside of Josh Gordon?? They overpaid big time for Deshaun Watson but that offense the way it is constructed was never better than a one and done. Mayfield has been spectacular in Tampa but his receivers, O line and even RB positions are worlds apart in terms of quality better than what he had in Cleveland. They need a Ron Wolf or Bill Polian type to give this team direction. A turnaround can happen a lot faster than people think. Look at what Detroit has done the last few years. This franchise just needs direction and unfortunately a fire sale to get back draft picks and cap space and a top to bottom rebuild. Miles Garrett is never going to win you a championship in Cleveland. Maybe this is the moment when they find their GM; their George Young or Ron Wolf. Maybe there is hope in Cleveland after all
Baker needed a team that match his intensity and that was either Green Bay, Tampa, or Pittsburgh
🛑🛑Brian SipE????🤷♂️
it’s Brian Sipe (Long “I” Sound).
The guy threw for over 23,000 yards, and 154 Touchdowns with the Browns. 💯 🏈
GEEZ !!🤷♂️
Brain Sipe was the AFC, Most Valuable Player in 1980 while playing for the Browns, and you spend 5 seconds on him; and mispronounced his name.
🤣😂😂👍
Cleveland knew of the allegations before they traded for Watson.
Also the Packers are over 100 yrs old… Browns are so poorly ran it’s so sad.
I am so done with the Browns. Ownership and Andrew Berry destroyed the team. Now players defending Watson, even going as far as to call him a "model citizen" is wild. They are no longer a team. Just a bunch of "ME" guys all wearing the same uniform. They will go 1-16. It's officially in rebuild mode and I'm not doing it again. F the Browns.