It is refreshing and a blessing to hear someone teaching the truth about eternal life and how to explain difficult verses in context. God bless you young brother
OSAS can be shown how ridiculous it is with one example. By OSAS logic I could become backslidden and start to rape and murder children and because one day long ago I was saved I’m somehow safe from hell. It’s preposterous
The Bible has more than a few verses/passages that 'appear' on their face to allude that actual born again christians 'might not make it' to heaven...Getting proficient in discerning CONTEXT will quell a lot of fears by discovering that that's NOT what the words are really saying. It's seems some are easier to dispel than others though, but I am convinced that PROPER context will always prevail. There is, however, one argument that stands SUPREME against any such 'inferences'... It's the UNDENIABLE statement in SO MANY instances that believing on Jesus IMMEDIATELY causes us to come into POSSESSION of...eternal life. So, at the very beginning of my salvation I HAVE, what? ETERNAL LIFE! Then, by definition, eternal life SIMPLY CANNOT END...if it did, for any scenario you try to conjure up, or how much, seeming, scripture you hold up to prove that it CAN - it can't. Otherwise it was NEVER eternal in the first place...and since Jesus HIMSELF said it WAS - Is Jesus a liar??? I contend that there simply IS no argument to mount against that ...Anybody?
@@noahcole6856 Pride goes before a fall. First John 1:8. IF we say we have no sin, we are deceived, and the TRUTH is not in us. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. ALL, not some, but ALL. But God loves us sinners so much He sent His Only Son, Jesus, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that we might become the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God in Him. Second Corinthians 5:21 Second Corinthians 9:15. Thanks be to God for His UNSPEAKABLE GIFT, ETERNAL LIFE. Romans 6:23. For the penalty for sin is death, physical death, BUT, (the good news) The GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE, THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE, THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE. Romans 3:26-28. You cannot boast in free.
James 2:9-10 King James Version (KJV) but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. This is why we need Jesus! Salvation by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone.
Thank you for answering my question everything you have said in this video makes a lot of sense and i also studied and was given the answer and clarification needed which I now have no doubt what I believe is right but your just gave me more clarification so once again thank you and God bless for what you are doing🙏🏾
”These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye MAY KNOW that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God.“ 1 John 5:13 KJV
Rightf gospel for the commonwealth nation of ISRAEL, WRONG gospel for us alive today AFTER the cross. Wonderful, 100% true *doctrine for the nation of Israel* to follow BEFOR Jesus died for ISRAELS PAST sins on the cross nearly 2 centuries ago. At that time in history, salvation was still of the Jews in ISRAEL. John 4:22 John was just one of the 12 JEWISH apostles commissioned to preach Jewish Mosaic law to the Matthew 10:5,6; 15:24 JEWISH "lost sheep of the house of Israel. Compare those verses with the letters our apostle Paul wrote to us today in the "Ephesians 3:2 "dispensation of the grace of God": Jesus, by the hand of our apostle Paul says: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through *faith in his blood,* to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" - Romans 3:25 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. ... Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but *sin is not imputed when there is no law."* - Romans 5:8, 12-13 KJV "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. ... For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." - Romans 6:11, 14 KJV There are two different and apposing Gospe's in the bible, written to two different groups of people, and two different periods of time. "God, who at *sundry times and in divers manners* spake in *time past unto the fathers by the prophets,"* - Hebrews 1:1 KJV Also consider Genesis 1:1 God created the land for ISRAEL, and the heaven for GENTILES/HEATHEN. Hope this helps. Grace and peace
Do you believe that you are one of the circumsized JEWS in the commonwealth nation of ISRAEL BEFORE Jesus died for all your sins on the cross? 2 Corinthians 5:18-21? John was commissioned by Jesus during his earlthy ministry to preach the law to Jews in Israel. Not you or I today in the "dispensation of the grace of God" according to Ephesians 3:2. Jesus appointed John as on of the twelve jewish apostles who were commanded to NOT share his MOSAIC covenant with the likes of you or I. So what makes you think Jesus is speaking this to you, at a ttime KNOWONE KNEW that he would be crucified until AFTER Mark chapter 26? Grace and peace.
@44099 8 months ago ”These things have I written unto you that (present tense, at this moment, right now) BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye MAY KNOW (present tense, at this moment, right now) that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE ((present tense, at this moment, right now) on the name of the Son of God.“ 1 John 5:13 Sure, you CAN KNOW based upon a present tense faith as the condition of receiving eternal life. The passage clearly has the condition of a present tense faith in order to have a present tense knowing that you have eternal life. Faith, or saying the Sinner's Prayer 20 years ago, then living in unbelief for 20 years till today, does not meet the condition of a present tense belief.
I’m saved I trusted and accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and His sacrifice as enough for my salvation but the inability to lead a perfect life in this sinful body really breaks my heart. I hate myself that I cannot stop sinning. I cry out to God. But I’m assured that I am saved simply by receiving the free gift given to me through Jesus Christ ALONEz
You have the ability through the Spirit to not sin. There is a part of you (new nature) that cannot sin. - 1 John 3:6-9. Walk in the new nature. - Gal. 5:16-23, 1 John 1:1-10. - Trent
You are saved because of your faith in Christ, even though you still are a sinner. This person's video is teaching that you are still saved even if you once believed in Christ, but don't believe anymore. This is contrary to Scripture. John 3:16 for example, says; "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Notice it says you must believe in HIM to have everlasting life, NOT just believing at some point in your life, and then falling away from belief. The verses he uses to back up his claim are assuming that you still have faith in HIM, even though we still are sinners. You can sin and still be a believer in Christ, understanding that we sin out of weakness in our ability to overcome temptations to do wrong. We put our faith in HIM to save us despite ourselves, but this doesn't mean we stop believing in HIM at any point. Don't be fooled into thinking that you can still be saved even without belief in Christ.
Just be careful that you don’t justify the practice of sin in your life, like drunkenness, pornography, etc. Those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
First thing is stop cry if your saved. Thing is you know deep inside there is a hell for you I'd you don't smarten up. It's either you do or you don't. It's God's calling. Can't save yourself. Unless you have the spirit that stops you from sin.... Sure you will slip once in a Blue Moon no one is perfect if a man says he does not sin He is a liar. Obedience is working if you didn't know not by the laws but by the laws written in your heart because you've received a Holy Spirit dial the. Old man the old self and receive the new self the Holy Spirit God working through you hes in control not you.
The individual is still saved even though they stop believing. Every time you sin is a lapse of faith… 2 Timothy 2:11-19. The apostates Hymenaeus and Philetus are in heaven. It doesn’t justify their failed behavior, but the Lord knows those who once believe but believe no more. - Trent
I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to Matthew 10:28, John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:37:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Romans 1:16, 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world, and thank you for sharing.
You, I, nor ANYONE can get thier sins forgiven on this side of Jesus' blood-stained cross, because Jesus forgave them all. Sounds like you are mixing justification with Atonement. Jesus atoned for your sins because you never could. Even if given multiple lifetimes. Salvation/Justification happenes when you BELIEVE how that Jesus died for your sins according to scripture, he was buried, and rose again on day 3 according to scripture. Thats it. Just read: 2 Corinthians 5:18,19 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 kjv Ephesians 2:8,10 and be ye "reconciled to God". Salvation isnt about getting your sins forgiven, its BELIEVING they already are. Grace and peace
Romans 11.22 states, "Note then the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, PROVIDED you CONTINUE in his kindness; otherwise YOU TOO will be cut off.” This verse clearly shows that it is possible NOT to CONTINUE in his kindness. Notice that he is talking to people who are currently IN God’s kindness - in other words, those who are justified / righteous. He is confirming that these people can lose their salvation BY THEIR OWN ACTIONS. Paul knows salvation can be lost.
If you have believed on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that he is God and that what he did on the cross paid for all your sins. If you believed ONCE, then you are saved permanently and nothing you do can undo that (Romans 8:38-39) so even if you fell out of the faith you are still saved. I recommend you watch BibleLine’s video “What if I stop believing?”
@@neilasd3043 I am sorry that you think that Neil but what you just said is incorrect. The Bible is the source that states that once you believe you have everlasting life and nothing you do can take you out of it. I am not The Bible so therefore you must always refer to that. On the other hand, I am saved actually as I have already believed once and still do. However if I were to fall out of the faith tomorrow or years from now, I would still be saved as that is what not only the Bible says but also what Jesus has said. I am not here to debate with you, but since you put my salvation into question, I felt compelled to reply and explain why you are incorrect. I respect and love you as a fellow brother in Christ and I hope that you have a great morning, evening, or night wherever you're at. God bless you and Jesus loves you.
1 Jon 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness". John is not aware of osas.❤
John also wrote John 1:12, 3:15-18, 3:36, 5:24, 6:37-40, 10:28-30, and 20:30-31. 1 John 1:9 is written to believers (already saved people) on how to restore fellowship with God. “That your joy may be full” (1:4); not “that your salvation may be complete…” - Trent
@@BibleLine You seems to be struggling a lot to get around the plain verses of bible. Is not restoring fellowship necessary for Salvation? 1 Jon 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will FORGIVE us our SINS and purify us from all unrighteousness". Do you mean to say FORGIVENESS FROM SIN is not necessary for believers for Salvation?
@@synestauromai Believing is forgiving of sins. Acts 10:43 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
@@synestauromai WHO was John talking to in 1 John ? Believers. You seem to be the one struggling with scriptures he gave you you and apparently either do not read or ignore and refuse to believe the promises of God . Your problem is not our belief or preaching, it is with God. The bible is infallible , but your interpretation calls it contradictory and Jesus is a liar. Forgiveness of ALL sin comes with true repentance . All scripture , not just the ones you like, is profitable .
@@BibleLine YOU: 1 John 1:9 is written to believers (already saved people) on how to restore fellowship with God. ME: Do yourself a big favor and read the context just prior to that verse, verses 5-7. When you walk in darkness, you are NOT in fellowship with HIM. When you walk in the light you have fellowship with HIM and the blood of Jesus cleanses you from all sin. When you are not a believer, you are walking in darkness and have no fellowship with HIM and no remission of your sins, meaning NO eternal life. So please stop all this nonsense about still having eternal life even if you fall away from believing and remain that way until death. Just stop.
The Bible is perfect, and its not open for private interpretation. If you want to fully understand scritpure, you need to study it in the manner God prescribed, comparing scripture with scripture, not commentary against commentary. 2 Timothy 2:15 kjv Hope this helps. If not, consider truth time radio to study Gods word in the manner He prescribed. It removes all the confusion. Grace and peace
The demons believe and tremble, so they are overcomers? In Mark 5 Legion saw Jesus from afar and ran to him, fell down and worshiped him and acknowledge him as the Son of God, so was Legion an overcomer? We are saved by faith, but the question is, by what type of faith? and when by faith? We are saved by an obedient faith James 2 not a dead faith and saved by faith when one is baptized into Christ Gal 3:26-27, also Col 2:12 says we are raised THROUGH FAITH....talking about baptism. Can a believer become an unbeliever? Will they still be saved? Remember the disciples WHO WALKED WITH JESUS NO MORE". Those who practice the sins of the flesh, as Paul warns them in Gal 5, will they still be saved? Lastly, since repentance, confession ,sinner's prayer, baptism are not mentioned are they excluded. Matt 7:21 " says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who DOES the will of my father in heaven" Peter says in Acts 2:38 "Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins". Lastly, when you do what Jesus has commanded you, you act by faith, and obey him, a living, obedient faith. again read James 2
Faith would be the type of faith you are saved by. Faith in Jesus Christ. Faith does not equal works of any kind. James 2 is not a gospel tract… Are you even sure you’re saved with that line of thinking? If it’s based upon your actions, how do you know you’re ever saved? - Trent
Amen Brother Danny. He who OVERCOMES, even as I OVERCAME. He who DOES the will of My Father. He who ABIDES in The Vine. Those are just a few, but the OSAS deception is rampant these days, just like Jesus said that the deception would be. 😖 God bless 🐑👣
Pastor in the gospel of salvation Paul makes it clear in Romans 7:1-4 that being dead to sin is a requirement to have faith in Christ, as no man can serve two masters. I have a Ytube video #18 parts 1 and 2 in the series 'Myths in so-called Christianity', where I explain this rare parable from Paul.
@@kimwestwood8840 As faith is being dead to sin they are inextricably linked. First us to believe in God the Father, as John 5:24, and as Abraham in Romans 4. But it is all revealed by Paul in Romans 7:1-4, which I reveal in my Ytube video #18 part 2. My #1 video I recommend as Paul proves grace is merited in Romans 11:6.
Once we have promised our part of the covenant we can prove we are saved by good works, not evil deeds of sin. We can have full assurance then of his judgement to come.
The way we know we are saved is when we believed in Christ. John 5:24 and Romans 4 are very clear that faith alone in Christ saves. Good works are not prooftexts for salvation, nor do they have any merit toward keeping your salvation. Our assurance is solely in Christ. If I commit sin after I am saved, it does not mean I am not saved any longer (or never to begin with), but rather I am out of fellowship with God. - Trent
@@BibleLine It is a matter of a false promise according to Paul, thankfully those who lie are not rewarded. And perfection is a little more complicated than never doing wrong, but one about a proper repentance so that trust is once again perfect.
We really have to make a distinction between the questions, “Can I lose my salvation while maintaining faith in Jesus?” and “Can I lose my salvation if I forsake Jesus and turn my back on Him?”
If you have believed on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that he is God and that what he did on the cross paid for all your sins. If you believed ONCE, then you are saved permanently and nothing you do can undo that (Romans 8:38-39) so even if you fell out of the faith you are still saved. I recommend you watch BibleLine’s video “What if I stop believing?”
I think I'm going to hell. I was alone in my apartment talking with God about a woman I wanted to marry and told him how I hate feeling alone. After I told him that I thought about my baby Christian days when I spent a lot of time alone in my room in my parents house, I then told him "hey it's just you and me like the those days, but this time IM NOT HAPPY. IM SICK OF THE DATING PHASE GOD I WANT TO CONNECT WITH SOMEONE OUT THERE". I was angry because I spent so much time alone in my apartment and I was lonely. After I said that I felt condemned like the Holy Spirit withdrew from me. Someone please help
Salvation is not a feeling. You are saved if you have believed in Jesus Christ for the full payment of your sins. The Holy Spirit indwells you the moment you believe, and he never leaves. Eph. 1:12-14. - Trent
The New Covenant is unconditional in one aspect: it will happen for those who believe. You just have to believe in Christ. Don’t mistake us thinking we believe in a Perseverance/Calvinist view of eternal security. Man freely chooses to believe in Christ to be saved, and God sees that belief therein justifying, sealing and keeping the believer secure forever. I’m sure we could discuss these “certain New Testament passages!” Email us questions@biblelineministries.org so we don’t lose you to the comments pouring in. - Trent
@@BibleLine Thank you for the reply. I realize that most of us have been influenced by our spiritual teachers in various denominations. But after reading and studying the Bible for 50 plus years, the Holy Spirit has continuously opened my eyes to the truth and it’s not always comfortable and pleasing to my flesh. For instance, Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8:13 believed but Peter told him that he and his money would perish and to repent verses 20-22. And even then it wasn’t guaranteed that he would be forgiven - vs 22 “Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, PERHAPS the thought of thine heart MAY be forgiven thee”. I maintain that repentance is part of salvation and is not a work but is imperative.
OSAS ISIN THE DNA OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIM SELF YOU CAN NOT WALK A WAY FROM YOUR REDEMPTION THATS IMPOSSIBLE PERIOD HOW CAN YOU WALK A WAY FROM GOD WHEN HE HAS YOU IN HIS HAND PERIOD?
The "new covenant" is for the same prophecied group the OLD covenant was for: The single, Commonwealth nation of ISRAEL. israels instructions are not our instructions. "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." - Galatians 2:16 KJV "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." - Galatians 3:10 KJV We are not under the Mosaic law, we are under grace. We do not thythe, keep the Jewish feast days, get water baptised to recieve remission of sins, nor do we sell everything we own, give to the poor, and keep all the commandments. All 613 poionts of the law. Why? Mathew 10:5,6 says Jesus wasnt talking to us today. He clearly was speaking to the "lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL". Our apostle is the apostle Paul. Just read and believe acts 7 when Israel fell, and Acts 9 when the RISEN, GLORIFIED Jesus from heaven saved Paul on the road to damascus. The cross changed everything. Sad thing is, 98% of todays churches dont preach this, because it destroys thier attempt to place your mind under a JEWISH LAW covenant that we were never given. Truth time radio channel can teach you how to study your Bible the way God intended you to study it. Hope this helps, Grace and peace to you.
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
I dont believe in OSAS.. I have so many TRUE christian friends who truly loves Jesus!! But at the same time chose to live in sin. I’m not talking about falling into sin, but KNOWINGLY live in it. To believe is to OBEY. I’m not saying we Can work ourself into heaven. But to still live WITH the world and surf under the free gift of grace?? Nope.. it’s a reason Why Paul wrote all those letters in the first place.
It's a terrible thing for believers to live in sin, but the possibility is there. It does not mean they are no longer saved, but they are being disobedient to God. There is chastening and judgment, but they won't go to hell... I don't know why you would reject OSAS with such clear scripture such as John 5:24, John 3:18, and 1 John 5:13. Even Romans 5:1, or Romans 3:24. Perhaps Galatians 2:16? - Trent
@Naty, So your looking at a believers Outward appearance, yet you fail to understand you yourself sin daily. Jesus tried to explain how all sin is perceived in Matthew 5, the sermon on the mount. The two examples given indicate that anger and lust are sins, just as much as murder and adultery (Matthew 5:21-22; 5:27-28) Jesus wasn’t condemning those who did these sins just like he didn’t condemn the woman caught in Adultery. His intent was to show us how ALL SIN is perceived in heaven and the need for a SAVIOR . One sin is not any greater than the other so by you judging someone your no different than the Pharisees in that day. They continually puffed themselves up and tried to make others believe they were setting the prime example of perfection yet they failed miserably at giving God all the glory. They glorified themselves. We are saved by FAITH in JESUS CHRIST, PERIOD! We don’t somehow ACHIEVE a certain amount of righteousness to enter heaven, we are supernaturally IMPUTED with HIS righteousness, HIS HOLY SPIRIT! That Holy Spirit then works throughout our lifetime to hopefully bring us out of the bondage of our sins. So the people your condemning are most likely being worked on, whether they come out of their sin before their death is not your concern what YOU should be doing is living on them. Hate the sin, LOVE the sinner, just as Jesus would do. The drug addict living on the street who prays daily for God to help him out if his situation then dies of an overdose LIVED in his sin, yet he’ll be in heaven, why? Because JESUS paid in FULL for ALL SIN. ALL BELIEVERS are CHILDREN of the King and HEIRS of the kingdom!
You are correct. OSAS is a false doctrine that allows people who want to avoid the HARD Scripture's and believe that they can 'do as thou wilt' - but still go to live with Jesus. It is a doctrine of devil's and leads a LOT of people to hell. 😖 There are MANY Scripture's that teach us to: WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING (PHIL 2:12) Luke 9:23 IF any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF take up his cross DAILY, AND...... FOLLOW ME. 1corin 9:27 .......lest that by any means when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY. In the Book of Revelation The Lord Jesus Christ WARNS ⚠️ 5 of the seven churches to REPENT, OR ELSE, (He is speaking to BELIEVERS) and Jesus Christ does not make empty threats. Every single church in the Book of Revelation is told: to THOSE WHO OVERCOME...... REVELATION 3:21-22 (also says) 21 To HIM THAT OVERCOMETH, will I grant to sit with me in my throne, EVEN AS I ALSO OVERCAME, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that HATH AN EAR, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. THERE IS A NARROW WAY not just a narrow gate, and The Lord warned us that FEW FIND IT. God bless you Naty 👣🐑 JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.
@@BibleLine Brother, I think that you are sincere, but I would suggest that we understand GOD'S DEFINITION OF the word 'BELIEVE' before we go any further. There are SIGNS THAT FOLLOW them that BELIEVE, according to Scripture. There is FRUIT THAT FOLLOWS, them that BELIEVE and ABIDE in the Vine. Disciple's who are ABIDING in Jesus Christ, The Vine, are absolutely NOT going around sinning (SIN ALWAYS BRINGS SEPARATION FROM A HOLY GOD ALMIGHTY) without heartfelt repentance DAILY. Moved by The Holy Spirit. Grieved over ALL sin. The Bible says that he who PRACTICES RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous. The Bible says that people who are liars, have a different father. Not God Almighty. Revelation 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” I am telling you this in Love, not to condemn, but you can continue on the wide road of your own choice. Unfortunately though, you are also leading others in to a false doctrine and you will be responsible for that unless you repent and begin to speak The TRUTH. Believers on the wide road take a Scripture here and there to get their own way to follow, like He will NEVER leave me nor forsake me, but they look past all the WARNING Scripture's and don't really understand the word BELIEVE. BELIEVING IN JESUS, is not just a head acknowledgement. That is a OSAS false doctrine. True Disciple's have RELATIONSHIP with The King, not just head knowledge. I pray that you will TRULY seek THE TRUTH. 🥺
There is no scripture in the NT that specifically says word for word that we can lose our salvation after we have received it but there is a scripture in the gospel that says word for word that we can never lose our salvation after we have received it and that is (John 11:26 ) "And whoever lives and believes in Me SHALL NEVER DIE, Do you believe this?"
There is no Scripture in the NT that specifically says word for word that someone CANNOT lose their salvation. Thanks for creating an argument that proves too much and shows that no one has any imaginary Eternal Security! Thanks for quoting another passage that proves the OSAS is not in the Bible! The word "believe" is in the present tense, which is the condition of never dying. If faith ceases, there is not a single passage in all of Scripture that says that you SHALL NEVER DIE. Clearly another Scriptural denial of heathen Eternal Security.
@@jeffpaton9667 So if I stop believing then I will lose my salvation? Where does it say that word for word and If it did, how could I get salvation again? by believing again. A rotating door of salvation depending on what I do in the flesh and not depending on what Christ has done for me already?, Don't you see how ubsurd that sounds. I hope that is not what you think Brother".
@@bereangirl7118 Oh' your manmade theory of the rotating door stands in judgement of God and Scripture that clearly has the present tense of faith/belief anytime final salvation is spoken of. Yes, your dismissal of Scripture is absurd!
@@jeffpaton9667 So what do you believe the NT says is the solution to one losing salvation. Could a person aquire salvation again if they had it and then lost it. Is it one and done or do you think that God will accept them back again as soon as they started believing again? Honestly, Thanks".
@@bereangirl7118 "Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.” Revelation 2:5 “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9 “Therefore, son of man, say to your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression; neither will the wickedness of the wicked man cause him to stumble on the day he turns from his wickedness. Nor will the righteous man be able to survive by his righteousness on the day he sins.’ If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but he then trusts in his righteousness and commits iniquity, then none of his righteous works will be remembered; he will die because of the iniquity he has committed. But if I tell the wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and does what is just and right- if he restores a pledge, makes restitution for what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without practicing iniquity-then he will surely live; he will not die. None of the sins he has committed will be held against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live. Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just. If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he will die for it. But if a wicked man turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live because of this. Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to his ways…” Ezekiel 33:12-20 The wages of sin is death…” Romans 6:23
But Jesus also said that not everyone who calls him ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but those who OBEY THE WILL OF HIS FATHER who is in heaven (Matthew ch 7 v 21). Also, how many times did Jesus and John the Baptist and the disciples / apostles tell people that they MUST repent !
They are still saved because they trusted in the One who paid for those future sins. Jesus died for all sin. The moment you believe, you are justified from all things, and God puts his righteousness to your account. See Acts 13:38-39 and Romans 4:1-8 - Trent
@@BibleLine - But what of those who have “deconstructed”, which seems to be a big thing now, and now openly mock Christianity? There is one popular YT channel of a girl who was a very committed Christian, did much evangelism, etc. but now has renounced Christianity and is hostile against it?
I understand, and it’s a terrible shame. If that individual believed in Christ as her Savior, then she is still saved. This is because God does the keeping; not man cf 1 Peter 1:4-5. The turning away from God would be a sin that Jesus still paid for. She’s saved, but she is making a grave error. Hell being no consequence of hers, I believe she has the greatest warnings of scripture pitted against her. Why? She is saved, but she will lead others to hell by her teaching and way of life. It’s a shame. - Trent
@@BibleLine - I’m afraid I just can’t go along with that. Possibly a case can be made that they were never truly saved in the first place, but a person who rejects and openly mocks Jesus, or throws in the towel and returns to their former sins and manner of life is not in a state of salvation. I think the following verse explains it clearly: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (2 Pet 2:20-22)
The saving of Jesus is not qualified by your actions, efforts or latter change of life after believing in Him. To add works on the back end is to say that your faith is more than just faith. The Savior states that faith in Himself is the only aspect that saves a man into eternal life (John 6:47, John 5:24, John 3:15-18, etc…). Jesus would have stated “believe and see what your life is like afterwards… no change and I suppose you never believed.” I’m not trying to be facetious in that statement either. Salvation is free. Believing is a choice that any individual can freely make. Why would it be better for these people to not have been born? Assuming this is regarding believers (which I tend to lean into that interpretation)… it’s because they are leading others to hell, perhaps even dragging other believers down from their faithfulness. That’s apostate living in its highest form, and there is great warning against this. Nonetheless, the belief of such individuals is what saved them and keeps them saved. You cannot look at the actions of a person and assume they weren’t saved or are not saved; it is incorrect. Scripture states “without faith it is impossible to please him…” The believer nonetheless can completely trash his life, and to say he loses salvation is a complete denial of clear foundational scriptures (cf Eph. 1:12-14, John 6:37-40, and 1 Peter 1:4-5). Thanks - Trent - Trent
Highly trained theologians with sound doctrine and hermeneutics differ on this question. I think, from what John describes, the way to lose salvation is the inverse of finding it. That is, rejection of the Christ. I know, some would say anybody who would cast Him out never really knew Him to begin with, but there are those who have tasted the good things and still chosen the way of the world. This isn't just backsliding. It is apostasy, heresy.
Highly trained theologians may disagree, but the Bible is very clearly on this issue. You cannot lose salvation after believing in Christ. There is no such thing as “never having salvation to begin with” either. (Calvinism and Arminianism are both false heresy). The only factor is if an individual never believed in Christ; therefore he has never been saved. He could, and would be saved eternally the moment he believes. - Trent
Hebrews 6 is addressing believers (already saved people) about moving on to spiritual maturity; not about how they can lose salvation. Hebrews 6 is showing that they need to move on from the basic doctrines because it’s not like they need to be saved again… We don’t put Jesus back on the cross because he made one payment for sin. - Trent
@BibleLine Thanks for responding. I'm not talking about Calvinism or Arminianism. I'm not of Paul or of Appollos. Hebrews 6:4-6 clearly describes a falling away that is apostasy. It is impossible to be saved, tread the Christ underfoot, and be saved again. What I was talking about with never having been saved in the first place is more like you see in 1John3:10, those who have not love but are in fact children of the Devil, or else 2Cor11, the Devil's servants masquerading as servants of righteousness. There are people who have thought they believed in Jesus, but only actually recited ths Osteen pledge, completely unaware of the immortal peril they faced for their sin. Tackling one of the most disputed doctrines in Christianity is ambitious, but like all things in Christ, it requires humility to accept the fact sometimes Scripture tells us things we can't really understand. As far as the original question goes, if it is a matter of fear, then the believer can have peace. Backsliding is not apostasy, and incomplete understanding is not heresy. We gain our salvation by repenting of our sin and asking Jesus to forgive us, knowing He alone can do so. God gives us free will though. We can just as easily embrace sin, and tell the Savior to keep His grace and we will gladly take our chances in Hell, suffering for all eternity. I can't understand _why_ anybody would do something so blatantly foolish, but God certainly does not separate man from the _capacity_ to commit evil. Happy Easter.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan Where in the bible does it say, or give you the idea that one ( gains salvation by repenting of sins? ) As for Hebrews 6:4-6, it actually gives us great confirmation of OSAS in simple-to-understand words, not sure how anyone sees anything else! read the context friend!
Hey pastor so I'm an seventh day adventist and I have also been questioning this , I talk about certain things and I get told it's wrong like being saved or other topics but would be nice to be able to send an email if possible thank you
Amen. It is impossible to be UNBORN AGAIN. Ephesians 1:13-14. Ephesians 4:30. There is no abortion in Gods family. We can be chastened by the Lord, but First John 5:13 is a promise from God that God has written to us as believers in Jesus that we may know we have eternal life. John 6:47. Faith alone apart from any works. Romans 11:6. John 6:40. John 6:29. Romans 3:26-28. For He is the JUST and the JUSTIFIER of them that BELIEVE in Jesus. Jesus paid it all and we have nothing to boast in. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, First Corinthians 15:1-4, for it is the POWER of God unto salvation to EVERYONE THAT BELIEVETH, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
it may be an inaccurate question...to loose ones salvation, which would intimate that salvation is an event, not a process....so if it is a process, then how would one carry through, till completion.....
Great question. Salvation is not a process over a time span. Salvation is immediately given to the individual who places faith in Christ for the full payment of their sin. Jesus died for your sin, was buried and is risen again. He paid for all of your sin. All you have to do is believe that He did it for you, and you receive eternal life. You are justified, born again, and sealed with the Spirit in that very moment. There is a progress to be done, but that is after you are saved. You are given the Spirit that enables you to serve the Lord and please Him. This would come about through yielding to the Spirit daily. Yielding to Him is not was saves, but it is what we should do because we are already saved. - Trent
@@BibleLine Jesus didn't pay for a single sin, alone all sins. No passage in the Bible claims that the work of Christ in atonement was a payment. Those that claim it are just making it up because they don't care what the Bible has to say.
“The wages of sin is death.” Romans 6:23. Christ paid for our wage by his substitutionary atonement for our sin. Sure, the word “payment” isn’t used, but that’s the principle idea… Roman’s 3:20-28, 4:1-8, and Gal. 2-3 expound on this. - Trent
Romans 11:29 ESV For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. John 6:44 ESV No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
@@jeffpaton9667 well, lets pose some questions and work through it... Does God transform the heart? Are we regarded as sons for correction? Can the redeemed, from the heart, curse Jesus? Does God cause us to walk in his rules and statutes? Did you let God save you? By Faith do we have peace with God in Christ? Does God Bring the redeemed to completion? Can anyone come to Jesus outside of the biblically explicit draw of God? Are those born of God capable of practiced sin? What is eternal life according to Jesus? What is God’s truth according to Jesus? Here is hoping you have the balls to engage this line of thinking.
@@HillbillyBlack There is nothing to "work through" since OSAS does not exist! If I start with assuming the doctrine that unicorns poop rainbows, I do not need to find something in Scripture that proves the doctrine wrong, I first need to prove from Scripture that my doctrine is correct. This method of an "answer "in search of a problem never arrives at proof of anything other than attempting to justify what one wants to twist Scripture to say.
@@jeffpaton9667 Did not Jesus show the truth of a doctrinal point by starting with a question? "have you not read...?" and so on? Are we not called to be Christ like? It sounds like you argue with absolute rigidity vs having an open heart to the spirit of God. I don't assume anything is true. Thats why testing a claim against scripture is key. Scripture is where the buck stops always. SO, if you want to work through OSAS im game. for the record, i don't believe in OSAS but i do adhere to radical legitimate REAL transformation in spiritual heart regeneration that is permanent as the scriptures teach. a Salvation that is born of God taking permanent root in good soil.
I don't understand why nobody in this debates ever states a different question. Not can one lose their salvation. They's been beat to death. Seems to me a more important question to answer, is on that Scripture warns about all over the place. Which is: Can a person reject the faith they once professed. I can give a long list of passages that warn about this. Why is this topic never addressed? Of course, the typical knee jerk response is: "Then they never were really saved." But Scripture doesn't frame it that way.
walking away or falling away from '' THE FAITH'' does not result in loss of salvation or eternal life or loss of the holy spirit which we are sealed until the day of redemption! it means what it says which is the person walks away from '' THE FAITH'' still saved, still sealed, but no longer in ''THE FAITH''
OSAS is ridiculous and not biblical. By osas logic I could backslide and turn into a child raping murderer and because I was saved one day long ago I wouldn’t lose my salvation. It’s absurd. The Bible is clear over and over osas is a lie and salvation can be lost. Christ says if you don’t forgive people you won’t be forgiven, he’s not just telling that to unbelievers. OSAS is a comforting lie Christians tell themselves to justify continuing to live in sin. Repent or perish seems pretty clear to me
“OSAS is a comforting lie Christians tell themselves to justify continuing to live in sin.” Why do we have this YT channel? Why do we have church? We aren’t hittin up strip clubs, gang banging and hustling… We believe in holy living, but holy living is not to obtain salvation. If we had to clean up to have salvation, then Jesus never had to die. - think about it… How do you explain John 5:24? - Trent
Good, I was strongly against osas before but have changed my mind about it, thanks a lot to Andy Wood's teaching on youtube. I highly recommend listening through everything he says. Strange that those who believe in works based salvation always think they are on the better side? Osas also teaches to live worthy of one's position in Christ. It feels so good to be secure in one's salvation...and even though I am OSAS, I think about how I live my life anyway in Christ...but without fear of hell. Thank you Jesus.
What about 2 Peter 2:20-22? It says: 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” Or Hebrews 10:26-29: 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? It seems clear from those passages that a genuine believer can fall away and lose their salvation.
Is preaching the gospel that our Father in heaven commands us to do in Mark 16:15 KJV for the rest of our lives a good chance that we as believers in Christ gonna earn many rewards in heaven?
@@BibleLine Are you saying that preaching the gospel for the rest of our lives will lead to great rewards in heaven, especially if people get saved by hearing the gospel?
@Bentoto97 Yes, believers are rewarded for their faithfulness. I believe the majority of the reward is the people we have led to Christ. There is joy knowing they’ll spend eternity with us. Nonetheless, we do have 1 Cor. 3, 2 Cor. 5 and multitudes of passages regarding the Judgment Seat of Christ being a rewarding place of believers. - Trent
@@BibleLine If believers in Christ don't earn any rewards in heaven for never serving God in their lifetime then are they gonna spend their eternity in the New Jerusalem which is gonna be in the new heavens and the new earth without bliss, without paradise, without happiness, without joy, etc?
@@BibleLine Do believers in Christ have to avoid being the least in the kingdom of heaven that Matthew 5:19 KJV talks about in order for believers in Christ to enjoy happiness, joy, bliss, paradise, comfort, rest, etc in the New Jerusalem which will be the new heavens and the new earth after judgement seat of Christ happens?
Actually what is true is: Once forgiven; always forgiven. "Saved" is what we are as believers. Our believing wavers. Our forgiveness doesn't. All people for all time are forgiven because of Christ.
The scriptures teach that security of salvation in Christ is conditional. Not OSAS. “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.” ... “If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.” {John 15:4&7} Temptation (the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,) hasn't been removed from us when we are born again.
@@BibleLine So we don't need to also abide in him? For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell severity; but toward thee, goodness, *if thou continue in his goodness* otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. {Romans 11:21-22} Are you a minister of reconciliation, or of death?
@larrybedouin2921 Abiding is commanded to believers, but it is not a requirement to get saved or stay saved. How often do you need to abide to stay saved? What qualifies as abiding enough? - Trent
@@BibleLine You do err exceedingly, And they [Jews] also, *if they abide not still in unbelief* shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in *again* {Romans 11:23}
Faith is not merely and assent of the mind. It is 3-dimensional. Just as there is only One God in three Divine Persons. Faith is three-dimensional. Sound Doctrines; True Worship and Good Morals. And what's the use of Jesus preaching about the Beatitudes, Spiritual Works and Corporal Works of Mercy, Love of Neighbors etc. He died to save us from our sins and He will come again to judge the living and the dead according to our deeds. Once saved always saved if we persevere to the end, if we remain in Him, walk with Him when He returns.
The Bible is divinly inspired by God, perfectly preserved, and is not open for private interpretation. If you want to fully understand scritpure, you need to study it in the manner God prescribed, comparing scripture with scripture, not commentary against commentary. 2 Timothy 2:15 kjv Hope this helps. If not, consider truth time radio to study Gods word in the manner He prescribed. It removes all the confusion. Grace and peace
Let Paul enlighten you, Romans 7:1-4 is a parable concerning Romans 6 and being "dead to sin". I have a Ytube video series "Myths in so-called Christianity'. Paul has said you cannot serve sin and God, and this parable explains that we break the covenant when we sin, if we do not sin in the covenant we are saved.
@@BibleLine Perfect. You will not be aware of the parable of Paul in Romans 7:1-4, it calls out hypocrites as the ones who made a false profession of faith, so those who hold the truth in righteousness have eternal security.
@@BibleLine Perfect. You will not be aware of the parable of Paul in Romans 7:1-4, it calls out hypocrites as the ones who made a false profession of faith, so those who hold the truth in righteousness have eternal security.
@@simonskinner1450 Oh so you do not sin? Ever? Interesting. So your video series refutes the bible and Christian myths? Judging from your statements I would say you are in the less than 1% of religious folks. So you figured out all by yourself how most of us are wrong, don't hear from God or study the scriptures. Rarely do I see religious insanity like that. You completely confuse the spiritual work of Jesus INSIDE the new believer vs the flesh. 1 John 3:8-9 explains HOW we are blameless. It is NOT by OUR works friend. Sin REMAINS in the flesh till we die. Majority of all Christians will admit they still mess up. But some , like you, claim sinlessness. That, in of itself, shows self righteousness , not humility or dependence on the blood of Christ to make you blameless . Self elevation, superiority, pride, does come around at times in comment sections but you get the prize of the month. Born again believers can NEVER undo or break what God has done and provided. That is one of the best false statements I have ever read I can give you plenty of scriptures supporting eternal life is just that, it isn't probationary , it isn't something we attain , IT IS a gift ..The gifts of God are irrevocable. Don't bother replying I do not waste my time, too old.
what about he, that endures, till the end....shall be saved....or not everyone, who calls me Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom....once again....the Bible seems to have both sides covered, and thus the argument, ad nauseam, goes on, and on, and on...
I recommend you watch rightly dividing Jesus, Peter and Paul from grace ambassadors on RUclips. It will clear up whatever misunderstandings you have. This comment section is a mess full of people who can't rightly divide, therefore people are mixing doctrines together.
The scripture is noncontradictory. The statements you mentioned have specific contexts in which they are revealed. Matthew 7 is concerning false prophets that think they are right, but they go to hell because they trusted in their "many wonderful works." Matthew 24 is concerning the future tribulation and kingdom time. Those who endure the tribulation will be saved into the literal kingdom on earth. Let John 3:15-18 speak clearly. - Trent
HEBREWS 10 15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming....marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the Graves will hear his voice and come forth those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation....and as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgement, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for him he will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation....the son of man will send out his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father. He who has ears to hear let him hear....
@@BibleLine we receive eternal life when Christ returns judgement our resurrection. Scripture says some will depart from the faith so not once saved always saved.....
@@BibleLine it not only matters if we believe have faith, it also matters how we live and if we remain faithful endure till the end.....Romans2:5-11 John5:28-29....
No the Bible indicates we possess eternal life. We “hath” eternal life when we believe. It isn’t a later on concept. Eternal life is the gift. John 5:24, 6:47 We don’t deny that working matters, but it does not provide any eternal salvation to have works. - Trent
@@BibleLine in the beginning we are saved made alive who were once dead in trespasses and sin. God delivers us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of his son. That is just the beginning of our lifelong journey, we are out of Egypt but not in promise land yet. Then when Christ returns the son of man will send out his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father. He who has ears to hear let him hear...for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming...marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the Graves will hear his voice and come forth those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation...there is a difference between being saved made alive in the beginning and being resurrected unto life when Christ returns judgement our resurrection. That is why it matters how we live now.....many can see the beginning but can't see the end so they say they have eternal life already. Everyone is going to die then judgement so that is when receive everlasting life, that is when defeat death, our resurrection when Christ returns.....scripture says some will depart from the faith so like the prodigal son they walk away from their father and their inheritance. True can repent and return but what about those that don't return?? Once saved always saved NO!! EZEKIEL3:18-21. all can do is warn people to turn from wickedness and live, then not on me whatever they do.....
This guy just tried to explain away what Jesus said , Jesus was talking to believers here , he is not tell them they need to believe , cause they already believe , Jesus is telling them they need to become overcomers. Woe Woe Woe unti this guy because of what Revelation 22:19 says , he must think Jesus is just kidding , dont take away from the words of this book by trying to explain away what Jesus says, to hold on to your beliefs, you should repent and ask for forgiveness
To be worthy of Heaven we must contain HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, our own is as a filthy rag. “And be found in him, NOT having mine OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS , which is of the LAW but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:” Philippians 3:9 KJV “For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.” Romans 5:17 “Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.” Romans 5:18 KJV And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was IMPUTED unto him FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS : and he was called the Friend of God.” James 2:23 KJV “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that RIGHTEOUSNESS might be IMPUTED unto them also:” Romans 4:11 KJV THE IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of the HOLY SPIRIT is FREELY GIVEN to all who BELIEVE on Christ as Lord and Savior. Savior of what? Our SINS! We believe and RECEIVE the free gift of righteousness, HIS PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS is supernaturally IMPUTED onto our spirit! The FLESH is still as a filthy rag, it’s why IT stays in the ground when we die!! . “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER THAT YOU BELIEVED , ye were SEALED with that HOLY SPIRIT of promise,” Ephesians 1:13 KJV
With all of the Hell testimonials on youtube ,Im doubting that Im really saved. God hasnt delivered me from habitual sins in my life. Ive lost all joy in my life.
I understand how you feel, it is very easy to slip into this depressive way of thinking, especially when we are worried about hell. I’d like to say that not every hell testimonial on yt is biblical/real. Whether or not someone experienced what they are retelling doesn’t matter if it’s misaligned with the Bible. As for habitual sin, I struggle with lust every day. It makes me feel like a fraud. I’m slowly learning to run back to the lord when I fail and to try again. A wise man falls 7 times and gets up 8. Trust that for whatever your habitual sin is God will use it to better you. If you desire to be righteous, God sees it. When the time is right, you’ll be free. Cut yourself some slack and trust the lords timing.
You can KNOW you are saved right now. Have you believed in the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who died for all your sin? If yes, then you’re saved. No works are necessary to have or keep your salvation because Jesus did all the work. 1 John 5:10-13. We know we are saved because we believed in the Son. He bears witness that we are saved. We are sealed - Eph. 1:12-14 We are kept - 1 Peter 1:4-5 We have eternal life - John 3:15-18 - Trent
You would still have your eternal life. 2 Timothy 2:11-19 makes this very clear. It even gives us two examples of apostates that were still saved. Hymenaeus and Philetus went against the faith, but God still knows they once believed unto salvation. - Trent
OSAS is a false belief. Salvation is a free gifts from God. We aren't under Moses law anymore but under Christ Law. If you trusted Christ and believe that great but you can't willfully sin. Like remarry after divorce, Jesus said if you remarry after divorce shall be called a adulterous. Adulterous can't enter heaven.
Nevertheless, Jesus died to pay for all sin of adultery. Of course the sin is wrong, but the sin is paid. If a believer willfully sins, his salvation isn’t lost, but his fellowship and closeness to God is lost. - Trent
@BibleLine See, Jesus(God) no remarriage after divorce. Paul said the only way to remarry is that the spouse must be dead. Jesus said if anybody ( lost or saved people) remarry after divorce shall be called adulterous. Paul said in Gal. 5:19-21 adultery can't enter the kingdom of God. So, there no way OSAS can be true. Christ didn't die so we can choose to sin in life. Hopefully, we will never change God's words. Jesus and Paul said the same.
I agree, the adulterous will not enter into heaven. The Spirit is what enters, and the Spirit cannot sin (1 John 3:7-9). Those who believe in Christ receive the Spirit (Eph. 1:12-14) as a blessing upon faith (Eph. 1:1-3). Therefore, the sinful flesh (Gal. 5:16-21 will not enter heaven, but the Spirit will (5:22-23). The believer in Jesus has both. This is why he encourages us to “Walk in the Spirit,” and not in the flesh. It’s the same idea Jesus stated in John 3 “ye must be born again” - by the Spirit. Once you believe in Jesus, you are born again, and you have everlasting life (John 3:15-18). Therefore the sin of adultery, when committed by the believer, does not wholly cancel his salvation. Rather, God is displeased because he chose to walk in the flesh. Salvation, nevertheless, stays in tact 100%. Hope this helps you. - Trent
Thanks for your reply. I feel like that what hurting the church is remarriage after divorce. What you just said our spirit enter heaven so people are ignoring Jesus and Paul words. I believe if Jesus (GOD) said not to do something, I think we should obey it. Thanks once again
Tell me if you believe it works can save you and you could be Born of the spirit again and again and again show me the impossible thing that you could do I do know that it is impossible for it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partake of the Holy Ghost and Jesus will pray to the father and he will give you another comforter which is the Holy Ghost and it will a abide with you forever this comforter will have the blood of Jesus applied to it that’s why you will be sealed with the Holy Ghost unto the day of redemption
You are mixing law and grace. God said dont do that. Israels instructions are not our instructions: Matthew 10:5,6 Jesus told the 12 to *not* take the gospel of the Kingdom to the Gentiles, or even enter into the houses of Sameritans, because Jesus wasnt speaking to us. During the time of Jesus' earthly ministry, we were Gentiles without God, and without hope in the world. We we were called aliens, heathen, and strangers of the commonwealth of Israel. Jesus blessed the Canaan woman at Matthew 15:24 because he knew she understood her religious standing: She has none. That didnt stop her from overhearing some "crums" that fell from the Masters table when Jesus spoke to his own. We are saved by grace throught faith in the finished crosswork of the ALREADY RISEN & Glorified Jesus in heaven. 2 Corinthians 5:19 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 kjv Ephesians 2:8,10 Hope this helps. Grace and peace.
The believer can sin to the point of literally being physically taken out of this world. This is fully in line with the rest of the book regarding a believer’s fellowship with God. Nevertheless, the reminder of the promise in verses 10-13 and 20 are abundantly clear. We are saved by believing in the finished work of Christ, and we know we have eternal life through Him alone. - Trent
@BibleLine ha! Clearly he is talking about spiritual death. The entire books is about this. That is just denial. Also read hebrews ch 3 and hebrews ch 6 along with many other chapters. This is straight twisting and manipulating scripture in order to keep a theology from crumbling.....
@@ddff5242 I'm wondering how are you saved then? Paul called the Corinthians "Saved", so it means it's possible to know... Not to mention John the Apostol in his first letter that says: These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE in the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW that you have Eternal life." - Feel sorry for Martha then, because she was told half-truth: John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Romans 4:4-5 - No Paul your wrong... you have to believe and Obey to be saved...
I'm not sure what your question is. I would agree with you that you do have to believe just like the scriptures you pointed out. However, The idea that once you believe and it's impossible to fall away is just not biblical. Also, it doesn't follow common sense. Ask a parent who's child drifted away from what they were taught and ended up in prison. Of course their child believed them but selfish desires superceded their obedience to their parents. You wouldn't say that they didn't "truly believe" his parents. I get the appeal of this theology but it plays to people's desire for comfort and is not the balanced truth. Of course, there is a balancing act of God's grace and obedience through faith. Both need to be taught. I'm not a fan of churches that are all fire and brimstone either but the other side of the pendulum isn't authentic and intellectually honest if you read all of scripture either. I'm not sure if that was your point or not. Also romans 4 4-5 is talking about works of the old testament law. If you read the whole chapter that context is given. The jews holding onto the old covenant is a consistent problem addressed in the new testament. Unfortunately that gets taken out of context to say you don't have to obey Jesus at at all. Just believe..... even Satan believed.....
Strange approach to truth. Sure, there are many passages that deny OSAS and posit a conditional salvation. Yet, why are we here? What I am saying is, why are these verses relevant? You do not have a single passage that teaches what OSAS assumes and teaches. You are working from a current belief, not Scripture, to determine if OSAS exists in the first place.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. KJV Bible
@@jm7578 "Believe" in the Greek is in the present tense, meaning a continuous uninterrupted faith in the present. God's condition of having (present tense) everlasting life depends on a present tense trust and faith. If belief stops, there is no promise in all of Scripture that says that the benefit connected to that belief still exists or continues. One point of consistency and interest is that in the Greek N.T., where belief is a condition of FINAL SALVATION, it is always in the present tense.
@@jeffpaton9667 it doesn't have to say exactly that because it tells us how we get sealed with the holy spirit and the duration in which you are sealed , how do we receive the sealing? we hear the gospel ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) we believe it we at that moment of belief we are saved and sealed until the redemption of the purchased possession! there's no ongoing condition to be sealed until redemption day , the seal is ongoing regardless of anything ! Eph 1:13-14 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye 👉were sealed 👈with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance 👉until 👈the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. we are his purchased possession when we receive the sealing we are his he owns us he will lose none that he owns and has sealed until redemption day ! john 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and👉 ye are not your own?👈 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, 👉which are God's👈. we are no longer our own, he owns us, he saved us, he seals us, he keeps us ! you cant sin your way out, you cant walk away from the seal, your free will is useless after we are sealed !
We have to keep in mind ..: Paul never teaches us losing your salvation but he said “Unless you believed in Vain” meaning u either don’t believe what he said. Or u are depending on yourself ….. REVELATIONS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH … those are ISREAL churches during Tribulation… the only time u see Christians in revelation is when we are mentioned as Angels that rule with Christ and come back with Christ … other than that … it’s not us … pay attention to how Jesus talks to the church … the reason we question things is bcuz we don’t RIGHTLY DIVIDE … our doctrine is ROMANS-philemon Jesus said I came only for the lost sheep of ISREAL …. That’s not Christians … Christians are not at the great white throne we were judged when we are raptured for things done in the body … not our souls …. God gave Christians a grace that is 5 times greater than ISREAL … we are saved by faith … its sounds too good to be true that’s bcuz God is too good to be true
Anyone against osas is attempting to perfect their FLESH. The flesh stays in the ground when we die! How are you perfecting your SPIRIT? You’re not! Only Christ can supernaturally IMPUTE HIS PERFECT RIGHTEOUS onto our spirit. He does this at the moment we BELIEVE on him as our Lord and Savior. And be found in him, NOT having mine OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS , which is of the LAW but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:” Philippians 3:9 KJV “For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.” Romans 5:17 “Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.” Romans 5:18 KJV And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was IMPUTED unto him FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS : and he was called the Friend of God.” James 2:23 KJV
Amen. Have you considered: 2 Corinthians 5:18-21? Truth Time Radio channel on yt? Sounds like you might enjoy participating in our Bible study in Romans there😊 Grace and peace
Jesse, you should consider refuting this OSAS 'documentary' filled with false prophets Michael Brown, Joe Schimmel, Jesse Morrell, making the rounds in a big way.
You can’t. A true believer can’t. Not with that new heart, a new spirit, and the fear of the lord, they’re a new creation. Doesn’t mean they are perfect but I don’t know a true believer that CAN go sin crazy willfully, they have a new set of desires and become allergic to sin. There were sinful things I was very into many years ago. I wouldn’t dream to do those things 🤢 today. I don’t think I could if I wanted to, in fact I’m not sure I can even want to. I got a firmware update and became a prisoner of righteousness. I’m still in the same old hardware so there are some issues, conflicts, my flesh remembers sin fondly but I sure don’t. Ppl against Eternal Security usually describe people who weren’t really saved, a false convert, or easy believism. Easy believism just acknowledges and professes Jesus crucified and resurrected but there’s no faith which produces fruit of obedience. They have the faith in the facts, but even demons believe and tremble. True faith that accesses grace produces the fruit of obedience. A child that doesn’t trust or put faith in a parent doesn’t care to obey said parent because they don’t believe what they’re being told. Eternal life isn’t eternal life if it can be lost once gained. If a true believer is living in carnality, they won’t for long one way or another Gods gonna enforce his promises that you will obey 😂 he gonna learn his children 😂🏓… that’s how I came to repentance. I got sorted. He promised he’d put the fear of the lord in his people. Now the fear of the lord is my delight and a treasure to me, probably also the most important thing to me.
There is a guy on RUclips saying that those who hold to yhe Calvinist idea of salvation may be psychological narcissist: ruclips.net/video/Kg_D25qm07s/видео.htmlfeature=shared
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, by which flaming fire will devour the adversaries. He that despised the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:26-30)
If He begins a good work in you, He will finish it. That's not meant as an assurance, that is intended to support Faith. If you think you claim assurance, then you have no Faith. If you have no Faith, you have no place prepared for you in Eternity.
If you could lose your salvation then who would ever go to heaven? You are saved eternally! Repent means change your mind. By believing in Jesus and trusing him as your saviour. You have a gift and it is eternal.
Read Rev 3:1-5 instead of just Rev 3:5 and you will understand that Jesus is scolding those believers whose faith is almost dead because it does not produce any more fruits and so they are about to lose their salvation. It’s absolutely clear. Stop playing tricks and pulling verses out of context. Osas is false.
Even in the context of the passage, OSAS holds true. Those who overcome are believers. Believers will not be blotted out of the book of life. We aren’t playing any trickery. Could you give us a verse by verse explanation for why you think the opposite? - Trent
@@BibleLine “I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy.” If osas is true, can you please explain why Jesus is warning them that they are dead and that they should repent before his coming, because otherwise only a few of them, those who are worthy because they produce good fruits, will be saved? To overcome means to believe? Yes, I may even agree with that. But believing is not a quick mental event occurred in the past. It is a continuous process of endurance and obedience to Jesus’ commandments. If after you believed, your faith dies down and you stop obeying Jesus’ commandments, Jesus is warning them, you should make sure to repent and go back to your original faith and obedience, otherwise he will come like a thief in the night, which is a clear reference to Matt 24: “ 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Which means hell. If they do not repent, Jesus will come suddenly and cast them into hell.
The Jericho Connection A believer doesn't stop producing fruit in life. John 15: 16 " You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you" If eternal life is false, please show book chapter and verse to refute it.
@@thejerichoconnection3473 Wait , slow down. I gotta butt in here sorry pastor. He didn't say overcome means to believe. He says that John writes that all believers OVERCOME by faith. What is so hard to understand ? Who is the author of faith? Jesus, or you? Is Jesus so weak He cannot finish what he started in us? The cross not enough? The blood not enough? That He needs YOU to finish what He started? THats works , your works do NOT save you or KEEP you saved. I know all the verses people use to refute eternal life but I want you to chew on something before you reply with anything I have seen a million times. IF eternal life , ( eternal life, see get it? Not If, or maybe, but eternal ) is not biblical, we all have a problem with the bible. It is fallible, and we cannot trust the promises of Jesus...
@@kimwestwood8840 “A believer doesn’t stop producing fruits in life” It depends on what you mean by believer. If “believer” means simply someone that some time in the past decided to put his faith in Christ, then yes, such a “believer” may stop at any time to produce fruits. This is exactly the example described in Rev 3. Jesus is talking to a church, which is, by this definition, a community of “believers”. And he is threatening them because they stopped producing fruits. If “believer” instead means someone who keeps the faith in Christ throughout his life, then no, such a “believer” will not stop producing fruits. But you see, you cannot possibly disentangle faith and good fruits. Having faith *means* producing good fruits. This is why osas is false. Osas tries to separate what is impossible to separate-faith and good deeds. If you have faith you also have good fruits. But if you stop having good fruits, it doesn’t mean that you never had faith. It simply means you stopped having faith. And it doesn’t matter that faith is a gift from God: of course it is! But as with any gift, we may decide to accept it or not. And even after accepting it, we may at any moment decide to throw it away. It’s purely common sense. Yes, your faith can wither and die. This is why Jesus is so angry at the church of Sardis, because he sees their faith dying. And if your faith is dead, it cannot possibly save you.
The individuals in Hebrews 6 have tasted of the heavenly gift and cannot be renewed again to repentance because they have already believed in Jesus for salvation. Hebrews 6 (and the entire book) is urging these Hebrew Christian’s to not go back into the law system as though it can merit any salvation. They’re saved, but they are getting confused. They needed to get back to by grace are ye saved… - Trent
● not inherit the Kingdom (a warning to "saints") 3 But fornication and *all uncleanness* [ακαθαρσια πασα] or greediness let it *not-even* [μηδε] be named *among you* [εν `υμιν], as becometh *saints* [`αγιοις], 4 and *disgraceful-behaviour* [αισχροτης] and *foolish-talking* [μωρολογια] or *coarse-talking/joking* [ευτραπελια], ... 5 *for this* [τουτο γαρ] ye know, that every *fornicator* [πορνος], or *unclean-person* [ακαθαρτος], or *greedy-person* [πλεονεκτης], who is an idolater, *hath not* [ουκ εχει] inheritance º *in the kingdom* [εν τη¡ βασιλεια¡] of Christ and of God. 6 *let no-one deceive you with vain words:* [μηδεις `υμας απατατω κενοις λογοις• / mēdeis humas apatatō kenois logois:] ... - Eph 5^3-6 º compare: Gal 5^19-21 ; 1-Cor 6^9-10 ● Then Peter said unto Him, Lord, speakest Thou this parable *unto us* [pros hēmas], or also to all? ... Blessed is that servant ... *but if* [ean de] that servant ... my Lord delays to come ... and will appoint him his portion *with the unbelievers* [meta tōn apistōn]. - Lk 12^ 41...46 *Warnings in the epistle to the "Hebrews"* ◾But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; ... 3^13 🔴Heb chap 3 ○addressed to: ... *holy brethren* [αδελφοι `αγιοι], *partakers* [μετοχοι] of the heavenly calling, ... ^1 ... *any of you* [τις εξ `υμων] ... ^13 ●warnings: ... in *(the)departing from* [τω¡ αποστηναι απο] the living God. ^12 ... *be hardened* [σκληρυνθη¡] through the deceitfulness *of sin* [της `αμαρτιας]. ^13 🔴Heb chap 6 ○addressed to: ... ... *were made partakers* [μετοχους γενηθεντας] of the Holy Spirit, ... ^4-5 ●warnings: ... *fall away* [παραπεσοντας] ... impossible to ... renew *again* [παλιν] unto repentance; ... ^4-6 🔴Heb chap 10 ○addressed to: ... *we* [`υμων (us)] ... ^26 ... *was sanctified* [`ηγιασθη], ... ^29 ●warnings: ... sin *wilfully* [`Εκουσιως]* ... ... *no more* [ουκετι] sacrifice ... ^26 ◾And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: ... 13^22 *一 KJV* [Textus Receptus] ♢ * [hekousiōs]: deliberately, willingly (1-Pet 5^2)
@@BibleLine There are many reasons, but let's look at a very simple statement in scripture. If you do not forgive others, you will not be forgiven by the Father. A belief in a one time salvation, then acting as an enemy of God is not scripture teaching. Yet just your own unwillingness to forgive , condemns you.
If entering heaven truly depended on anything other than our faith in Jesus Christ, then nobody would enter heaven as nobody is without sin.
Exactly! Thanks Dave.
- Trent
Exactly!!
Mathew 19:17 "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Yes, but no one could fully keep the commandments. Jesus used the law to point out the one thing the young guy lacked; faith in a savior.
- Trent
Amen
It is refreshing and a blessing to hear someone teaching the truth about eternal life and how to explain difficult verses in context. God bless you young brother
Thank you so much!
- Trent
OSAS can be shown how ridiculous it is with one example. By OSAS logic I could become backslidden and start to rape and murder children and because one day long ago I was saved I’m somehow safe from hell. It’s preposterous
The Bible has more than a few verses/passages that 'appear' on their face to allude that actual born again christians 'might not make it' to heaven...Getting proficient in discerning CONTEXT will quell a lot of fears by discovering that that's NOT what the words are really saying. It's seems some are easier to dispel than others though, but I am convinced that PROPER context will always prevail. There is, however, one argument that stands SUPREME against any such 'inferences'... It's the UNDENIABLE statement in SO MANY instances that believing on Jesus IMMEDIATELY causes us to come into POSSESSION of...eternal life. So, at the very beginning of my salvation I HAVE, what? ETERNAL LIFE! Then, by definition, eternal life SIMPLY CANNOT END...if it did, for any scenario you try to conjure up, or how much, seeming, scripture you hold up to prove that it CAN - it can't. Otherwise it was NEVER eternal in the first place...and since Jesus HIMSELF said it WAS - Is Jesus a liar??? I contend that there simply IS no argument to mount against that ...Anybody?
Crude way to put it, but that shameful individual would still be saved.
- Trent
@@davidhollingsworth864The key to understanding the kjBible is found at 2 Timothy 2:15 kjv.
Grace and peace
If Christ Jesus hadn’t risen from the dead, our faith would be in vain. 1Corinthians 15:13-14
Yes! Timely scriptures there! Praise the LORD!
- Trent
@@BibleLine Yes OSAS is a false teaching if God is taking out of the equation. Let’s talk about it brother? I would love to show you in scripture
Send the scripture, that’s fine.
- Trent
@@BibleLine let’s start with this. I’m going to show you the pattern of what the scriptures say. The GOODNESS and SEVERITY of God. Romans chapter 11
@@BibleLine Luke 16:16-18
2 Cor 6:2
Luke 13:28
Genesis 3:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Heb 6:11
Acts 5:32
(1 Cor 10, 12) Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
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@@noahcole6856 Pride goes before a fall. First John 1:8. IF we say we have no sin, we are deceived, and the TRUTH is not in us. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. ALL, not some, but ALL. But God loves us sinners so much He sent His Only Son, Jesus, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that we might become the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God in Him. Second Corinthians 5:21 Second Corinthians 9:15. Thanks be to God for His UNSPEAKABLE GIFT, ETERNAL LIFE.
Romans 6:23. For the penalty for sin is death, physical death, BUT, (the good news) The GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE, THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE, THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE. Romans 3:26-28. You cannot boast in free.
Amazing grace. Romans 11:6. Romans 4:5. You-tube Dan Vasc AMAZING GRACE like you have never heard it. John 3:16. I am a WHOSOEVER.
James 2:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
This is why we need Jesus!
Salvation by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone.
Thank you for answering my question everything you have said in this video makes a lot of sense and i also studied and was given the answer and clarification needed which I now have no doubt what I believe is right but your just gave me more clarification so once again thank you and God bless for what you are doing🙏🏾
That’s great to hear Alex. Thanks for the encouraging words.
- Trent
Having someone on RUclips confirm what you already believe isn't a way to confirm the truth.
Well done on excellent content
”These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye MAY KNOW that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God.“
1 John 5:13 KJV
Rightf gospel for the commonwealth nation of ISRAEL, WRONG gospel for us alive today AFTER the cross.
Wonderful, 100% true *doctrine for the nation of Israel* to follow BEFOR Jesus died for ISRAELS PAST sins on the cross nearly 2 centuries ago.
At that time in history, salvation was still of the Jews in ISRAEL.
John 4:22
John was just one of the 12 JEWISH apostles commissioned to preach Jewish Mosaic law to the Matthew 10:5,6; 15:24 JEWISH "lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Compare those verses with the letters our apostle Paul wrote to us today in the "Ephesians 3:2 "dispensation of the grace of God":
Jesus, by the hand of our apostle Paul says:
"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through *faith in his blood,* to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" - Romans 3:25
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. ...
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but *sin is not imputed when there is no law."* - Romans 5:8, 12-13 KJV
"Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. ...
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." - Romans 6:11, 14 KJV
There are two different and apposing Gospe's in the bible, written to two different groups of people, and two different periods of time.
"God, who at *sundry times and in divers manners* spake in *time past unto the fathers by the prophets,"* - Hebrews 1:1 KJV
Also consider Genesis 1:1 God created the land for ISRAEL, and the heaven for GENTILES/HEATHEN.
Hope this helps. Grace and peace
Do you believe that you are one of the circumsized JEWS in the commonwealth nation of ISRAEL BEFORE Jesus died for all your sins on the cross?
2 Corinthians 5:18-21?
John was commissioned by Jesus during his earlthy ministry to preach the law to Jews in Israel. Not you or I today in the "dispensation of the grace of God" according to Ephesians 3:2.
Jesus appointed John as on of the twelve jewish apostles who were commanded to NOT share his MOSAIC covenant with the likes of you or I.
So what makes you think Jesus is speaking this to you, at a ttime KNOWONE KNEW that he would be crucified until AFTER Mark chapter 26?
Grace and peace.
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”These things have I written unto you that (present tense, at this moment, right now) BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye MAY KNOW (present tense, at this moment, right now) that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may BELIEVE ((present tense, at this moment, right now) on the name of the Son of God.“
1 John 5:13
Sure, you CAN KNOW based upon a present tense faith as the condition of receiving eternal life. The passage clearly has the condition of a present tense faith in order to have a present tense knowing that you have eternal life. Faith, or saying the Sinner's Prayer 20 years ago, then living in unbelief for 20 years till today, does not meet the condition of a present tense belief.
You never let me down. Thanks!
YAH bless you brother keep preaching the truth
I’m saved I trusted and accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and His sacrifice as enough for my salvation but the inability to lead a perfect life in this sinful body really breaks my heart. I hate myself that I cannot stop sinning. I cry out to God. But I’m assured that I am saved simply by receiving the free gift given to me through Jesus Christ ALONEz
You have the ability through the Spirit to not sin. There is a part of you (new nature) that cannot sin. - 1 John 3:6-9. Walk in the new nature. - Gal. 5:16-23, 1 John 1:1-10.
- Trent
You are saved because of your faith in Christ, even though you still are a sinner. This person's video is teaching that you are still saved even if you once believed in Christ, but don't believe anymore. This is contrary to Scripture. John 3:16 for example, says;
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Notice it says you must believe in HIM to have everlasting life, NOT just believing at some point in your life, and then falling away from belief. The verses he uses to back up his claim are assuming that you still have faith in HIM, even though we still are sinners. You can sin and still be a believer in Christ, understanding that we sin out of weakness in our ability to overcome temptations to do wrong. We put our faith in HIM to save us despite ourselves, but this doesn't mean we stop believing in HIM at any point. Don't be fooled into thinking that you can still be saved even without belief in Christ.
Just be careful that you don’t justify the practice of sin in your life, like drunkenness, pornography, etc. Those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
First thing is stop cry if your saved. Thing is you know deep inside there is a hell for you I'd you don't smarten up. It's either you do or you don't. It's God's calling. Can't save yourself. Unless you have the spirit that stops you from sin.... Sure you will slip once in a Blue Moon no one is perfect if a man says he does not sin He is a liar. Obedience is working if you didn't know not by the laws but by the laws written in your heart because you've received a Holy Spirit dial the. Old man the old self and receive the new self the Holy Spirit God working through you hes in control not you.
The individual is still saved even though they stop believing. Every time you sin is a lapse of faith… 2 Timothy 2:11-19. The apostates Hymenaeus and Philetus are in heaven. It doesn’t justify their failed behavior, but the Lord knows those who once believe but believe no more.
- Trent
I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to Matthew 10:28, John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:37:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Romans 1:16, 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world, and thank you for sharing.
You, I, nor ANYONE can get thier sins forgiven on this side of Jesus' blood-stained cross, because Jesus forgave them all.
Sounds like you are mixing justification with Atonement.
Jesus atoned for your sins because you never could. Even if given multiple lifetimes.
Salvation/Justification happenes when you BELIEVE how that Jesus died for your sins according to scripture, he was buried, and rose again on day 3 according to scripture.
Thats it. Just read:
2 Corinthians 5:18,19
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 kjv
Ephesians 2:8,10 and be ye "reconciled to God".
Salvation isnt about getting your sins forgiven, its BELIEVING they already are.
Grace and peace
@@mr.nobodyhere Thank you for sharing this.
@@seanmick3093So glad I could help. 😊
@@mr.nobodyhere I will see you in heaven.
Romans 11.22 states, "Note then the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, PROVIDED you CONTINUE in his kindness; otherwise YOU TOO will be cut off.” This verse clearly shows that it is possible NOT to CONTINUE in his kindness. Notice that he is talking to people who are currently IN God’s kindness - in other words, those who are justified / righteous. He is confirming that these people can lose their salvation BY THEIR OWN ACTIONS. Paul knows salvation can be lost.
Speaking of which im having trouble with hebrews 3 and 4. What are your thoughts on those? Thanks
Whenever people say osas isn't true they like to use John 1 3:9 and not read the rest of the verse's
If you have believed on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that he is God and that what he did on the cross paid for all your sins. If you believed ONCE, then you are saved permanently and nothing you do can undo that (Romans 8:38-39) so even if you fell out of the faith you are still saved.
I recommend you watch BibleLine’s video “What if I stop believing?”
@@NoobSaibotTheWraithThen you were not truly saved!!
@@neilasd3043 I am sorry that you think that Neil but what you just said is incorrect. The Bible is the source that states that once you believe you have everlasting life and nothing you do can take you out of it. I am not The Bible so therefore you must always refer to that.
On the other hand, I am saved actually as I have already believed once and still do. However if I were to fall out of the faith tomorrow or years from now, I would still be saved as that is what not only the Bible says but also what Jesus has said. I am not here to debate with you, but since you put my salvation into question, I felt compelled to reply and explain why you are incorrect.
I respect and love you as a fellow brother in Christ and I hope that you have a great morning, evening, or night wherever you're at. God bless you and Jesus loves you.
@@NoobSaibotTheWraith you don't understand what I said.
@@neilasd3043 Yes I do. I understood perfectly and I still stand by what I said.
How can someone lose what God chose for them before creation?
1 Jon 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness". John is not aware of osas.❤
John also wrote John 1:12, 3:15-18, 3:36, 5:24, 6:37-40, 10:28-30, and 20:30-31.
1 John 1:9 is written to believers (already saved people) on how to restore fellowship with God. “That your joy may be full” (1:4); not “that your salvation may be complete…”
- Trent
@@BibleLine You seems to be struggling a lot to get around the plain verses of bible. Is not restoring fellowship necessary for Salvation? 1 Jon 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will FORGIVE us our SINS and purify us from all unrighteousness". Do you mean to say FORGIVENESS FROM SIN is not necessary for believers for Salvation?
@@synestauromai Believing is forgiving of sins.
Acts 10:43
43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
@@synestauromai WHO was John talking to in 1 John ? Believers. You seem to be the one struggling with scriptures he gave you you and apparently either do not read or ignore and refuse to believe the promises of God .
Your problem is not our belief or preaching, it is with God. The bible is infallible , but your interpretation calls it contradictory and Jesus is a liar. Forgiveness of ALL sin comes with true repentance . All scripture , not just the ones you like, is profitable .
@@BibleLine
YOU: 1 John 1:9 is written to believers (already saved people) on how to restore fellowship with God.
ME: Do yourself a big favor and read the context just prior to that verse, verses 5-7. When you walk in darkness, you are NOT in fellowship with HIM. When you walk in the light you have fellowship with HIM and the blood of Jesus cleanses you from all sin. When you are not a believer, you are walking in darkness and have no fellowship with HIM and no remission of your sins, meaning NO eternal life. So please stop all this nonsense about still having eternal life even if you fall away from believing and remain that way until death. Just stop.
I think Bibleline should have pointed out that the verse says “blotted out”. That doesn’t necessarily mean removed, it could just mean locked up
The Bible is perfect, and its not open for private interpretation.
If you want to fully understand scritpure, you need to study it in the manner God prescribed, comparing scripture with scripture, not commentary against commentary.
2 Timothy 2:15 kjv
Hope this helps. If not, consider truth time radio to study Gods word in the manner He prescribed.
It removes all the confusion.
Grace and peace
The demons believe and tremble, so they are overcomers? In Mark 5 Legion saw Jesus from afar and ran to him, fell down and worshiped him and acknowledge him as the Son of God, so was Legion an overcomer? We are saved by faith, but the question is, by what type of faith? and when by faith? We are saved by an obedient faith James 2 not a dead faith and saved by faith when one is baptized into Christ Gal 3:26-27, also Col 2:12 says we are raised THROUGH FAITH....talking about baptism. Can a believer become an unbeliever? Will they still be saved? Remember the disciples WHO WALKED WITH JESUS NO MORE". Those who practice the sins of the flesh, as Paul warns them in Gal 5, will they still be saved? Lastly, since repentance, confession ,sinner's prayer, baptism are not mentioned are they excluded. Matt 7:21 " says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who DOES the will of my father in heaven" Peter says in Acts 2:38 "Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins". Lastly, when you do what Jesus has commanded you, you act by faith, and obey him, a living, obedient faith. again read James 2
Faith would be the type of faith you are saved by. Faith in Jesus Christ. Faith does not equal works of any kind. James 2 is not a gospel tract…
Are you even sure you’re saved with that line of thinking? If it’s based upon your actions, how do you know you’re ever saved?
- Trent
Amen Brother Danny.
He who OVERCOMES, even as I OVERCAME.
He who DOES the will of My Father.
He who ABIDES in The Vine.
Those are just a few, but the OSAS deception is rampant these days,
just like Jesus said that the deception would be. 😖
God bless 🐑👣
Yesssss....obedience is the fruit of true faith....Jesus said ...u shall know them, BY THE FRUIT.....AMENNNNNNNN
@@BibleLinewhat
They are not offered salvation or eternal life and do not believe Jesus for salvation. Not the same belief.
Pastor in the gospel of salvation Paul makes it clear in Romans 7:1-4 that being dead to sin is a requirement to have faith in Christ, as no man can serve two masters.
I have a Ytube video #18 parts 1 and 2 in the series 'Myths in so-called Christianity', where I explain this rare parable from Paul.
Which comes first, faith or dead to sin? And did Paul literally mean 100% dead to sin after we are born again?
@@kimwestwood8840 As faith is being dead to sin they are inextricably linked.
First us to believe in God the Father, as John 5:24, and as Abraham in Romans 4.
But it is all revealed by Paul in Romans 7:1-4, which I reveal in my Ytube video #18 part 2.
My #1 video I recommend as Paul proves grace is merited in Romans 11:6.
Once we have promised our part of the covenant we can prove we are saved by good works, not evil deeds of sin. We can have full assurance then of his judgement to come.
The way we know we are saved is when we believed in Christ. John 5:24 and Romans 4 are very clear that faith alone in Christ saves. Good works are not prooftexts for salvation, nor do they have any merit toward keeping your salvation. Our assurance is solely in Christ. If I commit sin after I am saved, it does not mean I am not saved any longer (or never to begin with), but rather I am out of fellowship with God.
- Trent
@@BibleLine It is a matter of a false promise according to Paul, thankfully those who lie are not rewarded. And perfection is a little more complicated than never doing wrong, but one about a proper repentance so that trust is once again perfect.
We really have to make a distinction between the questions, “Can I lose my salvation while maintaining faith in Jesus?” and “Can I lose my salvation if I forsake Jesus and turn my back on Him?”
The answer to both questions is no.
- Trent
What about people who were once Christians and lost their faith after tragedies or disappointments?
If you have believed on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that he is God and that what he did on the cross paid for all your sins. If you believed ONCE, then you are saved permanently and nothing you do can undo that (Romans 8:38-39) so even if you fell out of the faith you are still saved.
I recommend you watch BibleLine’s video “What if I stop believing?”
So what if the believer returns to his sins, and dies in his sins will he still be saved?
I think I'm going to hell. I was alone in my apartment talking with God about a woman I wanted to marry and told him how I hate feeling alone. After I told him that I thought about my baby Christian days when I spent a lot of time alone in my room in my parents house, I then told him "hey it's just you and me like the those days, but this time IM NOT HAPPY. IM SICK OF THE DATING PHASE GOD I WANT TO CONNECT WITH SOMEONE OUT THERE". I was angry because I spent so much time alone in my apartment and I was lonely. After I said that I felt condemned like the Holy Spirit withdrew from me. Someone please help
Salvation is not a feeling. You are saved if you have believed in Jesus Christ for the full payment of your sins. The Holy Spirit indwells you the moment you believe, and he never leaves.
Eph. 1:12-14.
- Trent
If OSAS were true, than that would mean that the New Covenant (Testament) is unconditional and would make certain New Testament passages meaningless.
The New Covenant is unconditional in one aspect: it will happen for those who believe. You just have to believe in Christ. Don’t mistake us thinking we believe in a Perseverance/Calvinist view of eternal security.
Man freely chooses to believe in Christ to be saved, and God sees that belief therein justifying, sealing and keeping the believer secure forever.
I’m sure we could discuss these “certain New Testament passages!” Email us questions@biblelineministries.org
so we don’t lose you to the comments pouring in.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Thank you for the reply. I realize that most of us have been influenced by our spiritual teachers in various denominations. But after reading and studying the Bible for 50 plus years, the Holy Spirit has continuously opened my eyes to the truth and it’s not always comfortable and pleasing to my flesh. For instance, Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8:13 believed but Peter told him that he and his money would perish and to repent verses 20-22. And even then it wasn’t guaranteed that he would be forgiven - vs 22 “Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, PERHAPS the thought of thine heart MAY be forgiven thee”.
I maintain that repentance is part of salvation and is not a work but is imperative.
OSAS ISIN THE DNA OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIM SELF YOU CAN NOT WALK A WAY FROM YOUR REDEMPTION THATS IMPOSSIBLE PERIOD HOW CAN YOU WALK A WAY FROM GOD WHEN HE HAS YOU IN HIS HAND PERIOD?
The "new covenant" is for the same prophecied group the OLD covenant was for:
The single, Commonwealth nation of ISRAEL.
israels instructions are not our instructions.
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." - Galatians 2:16 KJV
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." - Galatians 3:10 KJV
We are not under the Mosaic law, we are under grace.
We do not thythe, keep the Jewish feast days, get water baptised to recieve remission of sins, nor do we sell everything we own, give to the poor, and keep all the commandments. All 613 poionts of the law. Why?
Mathew 10:5,6 says Jesus wasnt talking to us today. He clearly was speaking to the "lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL".
Our apostle is the apostle Paul. Just read and believe acts 7 when Israel fell, and Acts 9 when the RISEN, GLORIFIED Jesus from heaven saved Paul on the road to damascus.
The cross changed everything. Sad thing is, 98% of todays churches dont preach this, because it destroys thier attempt to place your mind under a JEWISH LAW covenant that we were never given.
Truth time radio channel can teach you how to study your Bible the way God intended you to study it.
Hope this helps, Grace and peace to you.
@@BibleLinewe freely choose to believe yes but I thought the Bible taught that we were chosen even before birth
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
I dont believe in OSAS.. I have so many TRUE christian friends who truly loves Jesus!! But at the same time chose to live in sin. I’m not talking about falling into sin, but KNOWINGLY live in it. To believe is to OBEY. I’m not saying we Can work ourself into heaven. But to still live WITH the world and surf under the free gift of grace?? Nope.. it’s a reason Why Paul wrote all those letters in the first place.
It's a terrible thing for believers to live in sin, but the possibility is there. It does not mean they are no longer saved, but they are being disobedient to God. There is chastening and judgment, but they won't go to hell... I don't know why you would reject OSAS with such clear scripture such as John 5:24, John 3:18, and 1 John 5:13. Even Romans 5:1, or Romans 3:24. Perhaps Galatians 2:16?
- Trent
@Naty, So your looking at a believers Outward appearance, yet you fail to understand you yourself sin daily.
Jesus tried to explain how all sin is perceived in
Matthew 5, the sermon on the mount.
The two examples given indicate that anger and lust are sins, just as much as murder and adultery (Matthew 5:21-22; 5:27-28)
Jesus wasn’t condemning those who did these sins just like he didn’t condemn the woman caught in Adultery. His intent was to show us how ALL SIN is perceived in heaven and the need for a SAVIOR .
One sin is not any greater than the other so by you judging someone your no different than the Pharisees in that day.
They continually puffed themselves up and tried to make others believe they were setting the prime example of perfection yet they failed miserably at giving God all the glory. They glorified themselves.
We are saved by FAITH in JESUS CHRIST, PERIOD!
We don’t somehow ACHIEVE a certain amount of righteousness to enter heaven, we are supernaturally IMPUTED with HIS righteousness, HIS HOLY SPIRIT!
That Holy Spirit then works throughout our lifetime to hopefully bring us out of the bondage of our sins.
So the people your condemning are most likely being worked on, whether they come out of their sin before their death is not your concern what YOU should be doing is living on them. Hate the sin, LOVE the sinner, just as Jesus would do.
The drug addict living on the street who prays daily for God to help him out if his situation then dies of an overdose LIVED in his sin, yet he’ll be in heaven, why? Because JESUS paid in FULL for ALL SIN.
ALL BELIEVERS are CHILDREN of the King and HEIRS of the kingdom!
@@BibleLine show me the verse that support that.. adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God..
You are correct.
OSAS is a false doctrine that allows people who want to avoid the HARD Scripture's and believe that they can 'do as thou wilt' - but still go to live with Jesus.
It is a doctrine of devil's and leads a LOT of people to hell. 😖
There are MANY Scripture's that teach us to:
WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING (PHIL 2:12)
Luke 9:23
IF
any man will come after me,
let him DENY HIMSELF
take up his cross DAILY,
AND...... FOLLOW ME.
1corin 9:27
.......lest that by any means when I have preached to others, I myself should be a
CASTAWAY.
In the Book of Revelation The Lord Jesus Christ
WARNS ⚠️
5 of the seven churches to REPENT, OR ELSE,
(He is speaking to BELIEVERS) and Jesus Christ does not make empty threats.
Every single church in the Book of Revelation is told:
to THOSE WHO OVERCOME......
REVELATION 3:21-22 (also says)
21 To HIM THAT OVERCOMETH,
will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
EVEN AS I ALSO OVERCAME, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that HATH AN EAR, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
THERE IS A NARROW WAY
not just a narrow gate,
and The Lord warned us that
FEW FIND IT.
God bless you Naty 👣🐑
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.
@@BibleLine
Brother, I think that you are sincere, but
I would suggest that we understand GOD'S DEFINITION OF the word
'BELIEVE'
before we go any further.
There are SIGNS THAT FOLLOW them that BELIEVE, according to Scripture.
There is FRUIT THAT FOLLOWS, them that BELIEVE and ABIDE in the Vine.
Disciple's who are ABIDING in Jesus Christ, The Vine, are absolutely NOT going around sinning (SIN ALWAYS BRINGS SEPARATION FROM A HOLY GOD ALMIGHTY)
without heartfelt repentance DAILY.
Moved by The Holy Spirit.
Grieved over ALL sin.
The Bible says that he who PRACTICES RIGHTEOUSNESS
is righteous.
The Bible says that people who are liars, have a different father. Not God Almighty.
Revelation 21:8
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
I am telling you this in Love, not to condemn, but you can continue on the wide road of your own choice. Unfortunately though, you are also leading others in to a false doctrine and you will be responsible for that unless you repent and begin to speak The TRUTH.
Believers on the wide road take a Scripture here and there to get their own way to follow, like
He will NEVER leave me nor forsake me, but they look past all the WARNING Scripture's and don't really understand the word
BELIEVE.
BELIEVING IN JESUS, is not just a head acknowledgement.
That is a OSAS false doctrine.
True Disciple's have
RELATIONSHIP with
The King, not just head knowledge.
I pray that you will TRULY seek THE TRUTH. 🥺
There is no scripture in the NT that specifically says word for word that we can lose our salvation after we have received it but there is a scripture in the gospel that says word for word that we can never lose our salvation after we have received it and that is (John 11:26 ) "And whoever lives and believes in Me SHALL NEVER DIE, Do you believe this?"
There is no Scripture in the NT that specifically says word for word that someone CANNOT lose their salvation.
Thanks for creating an argument that proves too much and shows that no one has any imaginary Eternal Security!
Thanks for quoting another passage that proves the OSAS is not in the Bible! The word "believe" is in the present tense, which is the condition of never dying. If faith ceases, there is not a single passage in all of Scripture that says that you SHALL NEVER DIE. Clearly another Scriptural denial of heathen Eternal Security.
@@jeffpaton9667 So if I stop believing then I will lose my salvation? Where does it say that word for word and If it did, how could I get salvation again? by believing again. A rotating door of salvation depending on what I do in the flesh and not depending on what Christ has done for me already?, Don't you see how ubsurd that sounds. I hope that is not what you think Brother".
@@bereangirl7118 Oh' your manmade theory of the rotating door stands in judgement of God and Scripture that clearly has the present tense of faith/belief anytime final salvation is spoken of. Yes, your dismissal of Scripture is absurd!
@@jeffpaton9667 So what do you believe the NT says is the solution to one losing salvation. Could a person aquire salvation again if they had it and then lost it. Is it one and done or do you think that God will accept them back again as soon as they started believing again? Honestly, Thanks".
@@bereangirl7118
"Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.” Revelation 2:5
“My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9
“Therefore, son of man, say to your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression; neither will the wickedness of the wicked man cause him to stumble on the day he turns from his wickedness. Nor will the righteous man be able to survive by his righteousness on the day he sins.’
If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but he then trusts in his righteousness and commits iniquity, then none of his righteous works will be remembered; he will die because of the iniquity he has committed.
But if I tell the wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and does what is just and right- if he restores a pledge, makes restitution for what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without practicing iniquity-then he will surely live; he will not die. None of the sins he has committed will be held against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live.
Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just. If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he will die for it. But if a wicked man turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live because of this.
Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to his ways…” Ezekiel 33:12-20
The wages of sin is death…” Romans 6:23
But Jesus also said that not everyone who calls him ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but those who OBEY THE WILL OF HIS FATHER who is in heaven (Matthew ch 7 v 21).
Also, how many times did Jesus and John the Baptist and the disciples / apostles tell people that they MUST repent !
What if a person believes in Jesus for salvation, but then later falls away and returns to their sins as before?
They are still saved because they trusted in the One who paid for those future sins. Jesus died for all sin. The moment you believe, you are justified from all things, and God puts his righteousness to your account. See Acts 13:38-39 and Romans 4:1-8
- Trent
@@BibleLine - But what of those who have “deconstructed”, which seems to be a big thing now, and now openly mock Christianity? There is one popular YT channel of a girl who was a very committed Christian, did much evangelism, etc. but now has renounced Christianity and is hostile against it?
I understand, and it’s a terrible shame. If that individual believed in Christ as her Savior, then she is still saved. This is because God does the keeping; not man cf 1 Peter 1:4-5.
The turning away from God would be a sin that Jesus still paid for. She’s saved, but she is making a grave error. Hell being no consequence of hers, I believe she has the greatest warnings of scripture pitted against her. Why? She is saved, but she will lead others to hell by her teaching and way of life. It’s a shame.
- Trent
@@BibleLine - I’m afraid I just can’t go along with that. Possibly a case can be made that they were never truly saved in the first place, but a person who rejects and openly mocks Jesus, or throws in the towel and returns to their former sins and manner of life is not in a state of salvation. I think the following verse explains it clearly:
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (2 Pet 2:20-22)
The saving of Jesus is not qualified by your actions, efforts or latter change of life after believing in Him. To add works on the back end is to say that your faith is more than just faith. The Savior states that faith in Himself is the only aspect that saves a man into eternal life (John 6:47, John 5:24, John 3:15-18, etc…). Jesus would have stated “believe and see what your life is like afterwards… no change and I suppose you never believed.” I’m not trying to be facetious in that statement either. Salvation is free. Believing is a choice that any individual can freely make.
Why would it be better for these people to not have been born? Assuming this is regarding believers (which I tend to lean into that interpretation)… it’s because they are leading others to hell, perhaps even dragging other believers down from their faithfulness. That’s apostate living in its highest form, and there is great warning against this. Nonetheless, the belief of such individuals is what saved them and keeps them saved. You cannot look at the actions of a person and assume they weren’t saved or are not saved; it is incorrect. Scripture states “without faith it is impossible to please him…” The believer nonetheless can completely trash his life, and to say he loses salvation is a complete denial of clear foundational scriptures (cf Eph. 1:12-14, John 6:37-40, and 1 Peter 1:4-5). Thanks
- Trent
- Trent
Highly trained theologians with sound doctrine and hermeneutics differ on this question.
I think, from what John describes, the way to lose salvation is the inverse of finding it.
That is, rejection of the Christ.
I know, some would say anybody who would cast Him out never really knew Him to begin with, but there are those who have tasted the good things and still chosen the way of the world.
This isn't just backsliding.
It is apostasy, heresy.
Highly trained theologians may disagree, but the Bible is very clearly on this issue. You cannot lose salvation after believing in Christ. There is no such thing as “never having salvation to begin with” either. (Calvinism and Arminianism are both false heresy).
The only factor is if an individual never believed in Christ; therefore he has never been saved. He could, and would be saved eternally the moment he believes.
- Trent
@@BibleLine He has quoted Hebrews 6:6 but you have not addressed it.
Hebrews 6 is addressing believers (already saved people) about moving on to spiritual maturity; not about how they can lose salvation. Hebrews 6 is showing that they need to move on from the basic doctrines because it’s not like they need to be saved again… We don’t put Jesus back on the cross because he made one payment for sin.
- Trent
@BibleLine
Thanks for responding.
I'm not talking about Calvinism or Arminianism.
I'm not of Paul or of Appollos.
Hebrews 6:4-6 clearly describes a falling away that is apostasy.
It is impossible to be saved, tread the Christ underfoot, and be saved again.
What I was talking about with never having been saved in the first place is more like you see in 1John3:10, those who have not love but are in fact children of the Devil, or else 2Cor11, the Devil's servants masquerading as servants of righteousness.
There are people who have thought they believed in Jesus, but only actually recited ths Osteen pledge, completely unaware of the immortal peril they faced for their sin.
Tackling one of the most disputed doctrines in Christianity is ambitious, but like all things in Christ, it requires humility to accept the fact sometimes Scripture tells us things we can't really understand.
As far as the original question goes, if it is a matter of fear, then the believer can have peace.
Backsliding is not apostasy, and incomplete understanding is not heresy.
We gain our salvation by repenting of our sin and asking Jesus to forgive us, knowing He alone can do so.
God gives us free will though.
We can just as easily embrace sin, and tell the Savior to keep His grace and we will gladly take our chances in Hell, suffering for all eternity.
I can't understand _why_ anybody would do something so blatantly foolish, but God certainly does not separate man from the _capacity_ to commit evil.
Happy Easter.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan
Where in the bible does it say, or give you the idea that one ( gains salvation by repenting of sins? )
As for Hebrews 6:4-6, it actually gives us great confirmation of OSAS in simple-to-understand words, not sure how anyone sees anything else!
read the context friend!
Hey pastor so I'm an seventh day adventist and I have also been questioning this , I talk about certain things and I get told it's wrong like being saved or other topics but would be nice to be able to send an email if possible thank you
We get tought that we lose our salvation and they use these exact verses
questions@biblelineministries.org if you want to talk further
- Trent
Amen. It is impossible to be UNBORN AGAIN. Ephesians 1:13-14. Ephesians 4:30. There is no abortion in Gods family. We can be chastened by the Lord, but First John 5:13 is a promise from God that God has written to us as believers in Jesus that we may know we have eternal life. John 6:47. Faith alone apart from any works. Romans 11:6. John 6:40. John 6:29. Romans 3:26-28. For He is the JUST and the JUSTIFIER of them that BELIEVE in Jesus. Jesus paid it all and we have nothing to boast in. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, First Corinthians 15:1-4, for it is the POWER of God unto salvation to EVERYONE THAT BELIEVETH, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
it may be an inaccurate question...to loose ones salvation, which would intimate that salvation is an event, not a process....so if it is a process, then how would one carry through, till completion.....
Great question. Salvation is not a process over a time span.
Salvation is immediately given to the individual who places faith in Christ for the full payment of their sin. Jesus died for your sin, was buried and is risen again. He paid for all of your sin. All you have to do is believe that He did it for you, and you receive eternal life. You are justified, born again, and sealed with the Spirit in that very moment.
There is a progress to be done, but that is after you are saved. You are given the Spirit that enables you to serve the Lord and please Him. This would come about through yielding to the Spirit daily. Yielding to Him is not was saves, but it is what we should do because we are already saved.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Jesus didn't pay for a single sin, alone all sins. No passage in the Bible claims that the work of Christ in atonement was a payment. Those that claim it are just making it up because they don't care what the Bible has to say.
“The wages of sin is death.” Romans 6:23.
Christ paid for our wage by his substitutionary atonement for our sin. Sure, the word “payment” isn’t used, but that’s the principle idea…
Roman’s 3:20-28, 4:1-8, and Gal. 2-3 expound on this.
- Trent
Romans 11:29 ESV
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
John 6:44 ESV
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Which neither teach nor establishes OSAS which you cannot find in the Bible.
@@jeffpaton9667 well, lets pose some questions and work through it...
Does God transform the heart?
Are we regarded as sons for correction?
Can the redeemed, from the heart, curse Jesus?
Does God cause us to walk in his rules and statutes?
Did you let God save you?
By Faith do we have peace with God in Christ?
Does God Bring the redeemed to completion?
Can anyone come to Jesus outside of the biblically explicit draw of God?
Are those born of God capable of practiced sin?
What is eternal life according to Jesus?
What is God’s truth according to Jesus?
Here is hoping you have the balls to engage this line of thinking.
@@HillbillyBlack There is nothing to "work through" since OSAS does not exist! If I start with assuming the doctrine that unicorns poop rainbows, I do not need to find something in Scripture that proves the doctrine wrong, I first need to prove from Scripture that my doctrine is correct.
This method of an "answer "in search of a problem never arrives at proof of anything other than attempting to justify what one wants to twist Scripture to say.
@@jeffpaton9667 Did not Jesus show the truth of a doctrinal point by starting with a question? "have you not read...?" and so on? Are we not called to be Christ like? It sounds like you argue with absolute rigidity vs having an open heart to the spirit of God.
I don't assume anything is true. Thats why testing a claim against scripture is key. Scripture is where the buck stops always. SO, if you want to work through OSAS im game. for the record, i don't believe in OSAS but i do adhere to radical legitimate REAL transformation in spiritual heart regeneration that is permanent as the scriptures teach. a Salvation that is born of God taking permanent root in good soil.
@@HillbillyBlack Have you not read?
Obviously, it does not say, "Have you not read into Scripture?"
I don't understand why nobody in this debates ever states a different question. Not can one lose their salvation. They's been beat to death. Seems to me a more important question to answer, is on that Scripture warns about all over the place. Which is: Can a person reject the faith they once professed. I can give a long list of passages that warn about this. Why is this topic never addressed? Of course, the typical knee jerk response is: "Then they never were really saved." But Scripture doesn't frame it that way.
walking away or falling away from '' THE FAITH'' does not result in loss of salvation or eternal life or loss of the holy spirit which we are sealed until the day of redemption! it means what it says which is the person walks away from '' THE FAITH'' still saved, still sealed, but no longer in ''THE FAITH''
If the Lord Jesus Christ did not shed His blood and die once for all, then we could lose salvation.
That’s right! Thanks Pierre!
- Trent
THATS LIKE WALKING A WAY FROM YOUR REDEMPTION.
@@theodoreritola7641 that would be like denying the one who bought you…oh yeh, that happened (2 Peter 2).
Jesus talks to me I’m a reborn and baptized Christian a true Christian a Child of God a sin free saint
OSAS is ridiculous and not biblical. By osas logic I could backslide and turn into a child raping murderer and because I was saved one day long ago I wouldn’t lose my salvation. It’s absurd. The Bible is clear over and over osas is a lie and salvation can be lost. Christ says if you don’t forgive people you won’t be forgiven, he’s not just telling that to unbelievers. OSAS is a comforting lie Christians tell themselves to justify continuing to live in sin. Repent or perish seems pretty clear to me
“OSAS is a comforting lie Christians tell themselves to justify continuing to live in sin.” Why do we have this YT channel? Why do we have church? We aren’t hittin up strip clubs, gang banging and hustling… We believe in holy living, but holy living is not to obtain salvation. If we had to clean up to have salvation, then Jesus never had to die. - think about it…
How do you explain John 5:24?
- Trent
Only a half-wit would believe OSAS. It's an embarrassment.
Good, I was strongly against osas before but have changed my mind about it, thanks a lot to Andy Wood's teaching on youtube. I highly recommend listening through everything he says. Strange that those who believe in works based salvation always think they are on the better side? Osas also teaches to live worthy of one's position in Christ. It feels so good to be secure in one's salvation...and even though I am OSAS, I think about how I live my life anyway in Christ...but without fear of hell. Thank you Jesus.
What about 2 Peter 2:20-22?
It says: 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Or Hebrews 10:26-29:
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
It seems clear from those passages that a genuine believer can fall away and lose their salvation.
Is preaching the gospel that our Father in heaven commands us to do in Mark 16:15 KJV for the rest of our lives a good chance that we as believers in Christ gonna earn many rewards in heaven?
I would say those souls are the reward, yes. God has definitely entrusted us to share the gospel - 1 Thess. 2:4
- Trent
@@BibleLine Are you saying that preaching the gospel for the rest of our lives will lead to great rewards in heaven, especially if people get saved by hearing the gospel?
@Bentoto97 Yes, believers are rewarded for their faithfulness. I believe the majority of the reward is the people we have led to Christ. There is joy knowing they’ll spend eternity with us. Nonetheless, we do have 1 Cor. 3, 2 Cor. 5 and multitudes of passages regarding the Judgment Seat of Christ being a rewarding place of believers.
- Trent
@@BibleLine If believers in Christ don't earn any rewards in heaven for never serving God in their lifetime then are they gonna spend their eternity in the New Jerusalem which is gonna be in the new heavens and the new earth without bliss, without paradise, without happiness, without joy, etc?
@@BibleLine Do believers in Christ have to avoid being the least in the kingdom of heaven that Matthew 5:19 KJV talks about in order for believers in Christ to enjoy happiness, joy, bliss, paradise, comfort, rest, etc in the New Jerusalem which will be the new heavens and the new earth after judgement seat of Christ happens?
Osas is true from the bible. A lot of bible teachers teach it❤🎉
A lot of false teachers seek to satisfy the itching ears of happy sinners, they don't care if they cannot find their doctrine in Scripture.
Alot don't teach it either, unfortunately.
Whatever they are teaching is not from the Bible!
Actually what is true is: Once forgiven; always forgiven. "Saved" is what we are as believers. Our believing wavers. Our forgiveness doesn't. All people for all time are forgiven because of Christ.
Every church was saved
The scriptures teach that security of salvation in Christ is conditional.
Not OSAS.
“Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.”
...
“If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.”
{John 15:4&7}
Temptation (the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,) hasn't been removed from us when we are born again.
💯.
Amen Brother.
John 15 is written to disciples of Christ teaching them to abide in Him. It is not written to lost people teaching them how to be saved.
- Trent
@@BibleLine
So we don't need to also abide in him?
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell severity; but toward thee, goodness, *if thou continue in his goodness* otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
{Romans 11:21-22}
Are you a minister of reconciliation, or of death?
@larrybedouin2921 Abiding is commanded to believers, but it is not a requirement to get saved or stay saved. How often do you need to abide to stay saved? What qualifies as abiding enough?
- Trent
@@BibleLine
You do err exceedingly,
And they [Jews] also, *if they abide not still in unbelief* shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in *again*
{Romans 11:23}
It Is Finished 💯❤️
Faith is not merely and assent of the mind. It is 3-dimensional. Just as there is only One God in three Divine Persons. Faith is three-dimensional. Sound Doctrines; True Worship and Good Morals. And what's the use of Jesus preaching about the Beatitudes, Spiritual Works and Corporal Works of Mercy, Love of Neighbors etc. He died to save us from our sins and He will come again to judge the living and the dead according to our deeds. Once saved always saved if we persevere to the end, if we remain in Him, walk with Him when He returns.
Wait, do you believe faith is a work?
The Bible is divinly inspired by God, perfectly preserved, and is not open for private interpretation.
If you want to fully understand scritpure, you need to study it in the manner God prescribed, comparing scripture with scripture, not commentary against commentary.
2 Timothy 2:15 kjv
Hope this helps. If not, consider truth time radio to study Gods word in the manner He prescribed.
It removes all the confusion.
Grace and peace
@@mr.nobodyhere do you believe that faith is work?
@@noahcole6856whoes faith?
@@mr.nobodyhere just faith in general
The Bible does not teach that you can lose your salvation. It is simple in the Scripture.
Let Paul enlighten you, Romans 7:1-4 is a parable concerning Romans 6 and being "dead to sin". I have a Ytube video series "Myths in so-called Christianity'.
Paul has said you cannot serve sin and God, and this parable explains that we break the covenant when we sin, if we do not sin in the covenant we are saved.
Therefore, you would have to remain perfect?
- Trent
@@BibleLine Perfect.
You will not be aware of the parable of Paul in Romans 7:1-4, it calls out hypocrites as the ones who made a false profession of faith, so those who hold the truth in righteousness have eternal security.
@@BibleLine Perfect.
You will not be aware of the parable of Paul in Romans 7:1-4, it calls out hypocrites as the ones who made a false profession of faith, so those who hold the truth in righteousness have eternal security.
@@simonskinner1450 Oh so you do not sin? Ever? Interesting. So your video series refutes the bible and Christian myths? Judging from your statements I would say you are in the less than 1% of religious folks. So you figured out all by yourself how most of us are wrong, don't hear from God or study the scriptures. Rarely do I see religious insanity like that.
You completely confuse the spiritual work of Jesus INSIDE the new believer vs the flesh. 1 John 3:8-9 explains HOW we are blameless. It is NOT by OUR works friend. Sin REMAINS in the flesh till we die. Majority of all Christians will admit they still mess up. But some , like you, claim sinlessness. That, in of itself, shows self righteousness , not humility or dependence on the blood of Christ to make you blameless . Self elevation, superiority, pride, does come around at times in comment sections but you get the prize of the month.
Born again believers can NEVER undo or break what God has done and provided. That is one of the best false statements I have ever read I can give you plenty of scriptures supporting eternal life is just that, it isn't probationary , it isn't something we attain , IT IS a gift ..The gifts of God are irrevocable. Don't bother replying I do not waste my time, too old.
what about he, that endures, till the end....shall be saved....or not everyone, who calls me Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom....once again....the Bible seems to have both sides covered, and thus the argument, ad nauseam, goes on, and on, and on...
I recommend you watch rightly dividing Jesus, Peter and Paul from grace ambassadors on RUclips. It will clear up whatever misunderstandings you have.
This comment section is a mess full of people who can't rightly divide, therefore people are mixing doctrines together.
The scripture is noncontradictory. The statements you mentioned have specific contexts in which they are revealed. Matthew 7 is concerning false prophets that think they are right, but they go to hell because they trusted in their "many wonderful works." Matthew 24 is concerning the future tribulation and kingdom time. Those who endure the tribulation will be saved into the literal kingdom on earth. Let John 3:15-18 speak clearly.
- Trent
HEBREWS 10 15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
If osas is true, then odad is true?
Interesting
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming....marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the Graves will hear his voice and come forth those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation....and as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgement, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for him he will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation....the son of man will send out his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father. He who has ears to hear let him hear....
You managed to combine a bunch of scriptures together out of context. What is your point?
- Trent
@@BibleLine we receive eternal life when Christ returns judgement our resurrection. Scripture says some will depart from the faith so not once saved always saved.....
@@BibleLine it not only matters if we believe have faith, it also matters how we live and if we remain faithful endure till the end.....Romans2:5-11 John5:28-29....
No the Bible indicates we possess eternal life. We “hath” eternal life when we believe. It isn’t a later on concept. Eternal life is the gift. John 5:24, 6:47
We don’t deny that working matters, but it does not provide any eternal salvation to have works.
- Trent
@@BibleLine in the beginning we are saved made alive who were once dead in trespasses and sin. God delivers us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of his son. That is just the beginning of our lifelong journey, we are out of Egypt but not in promise land yet. Then when Christ returns the son of man will send out his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father. He who has ears to hear let him hear...for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order Christ the firstfruits afterwards those who are Christ at his coming...marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the Graves will hear his voice and come forth those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation...there is a difference between being saved made alive in the beginning and being resurrected unto life when Christ returns judgement our resurrection. That is why it matters how we live now.....many can see the beginning but can't see the end so they say they have eternal life already. Everyone is going to die then judgement so that is when receive everlasting life, that is when defeat death, our resurrection when Christ returns.....scripture says some will depart from the faith so like the prodigal son they walk away from their father and their inheritance. True can repent and return but what about those that don't return?? Once saved always saved NO!! EZEKIEL3:18-21. all can do is warn people to turn from wickedness and live, then not on me whatever they do.....
This guy just tried to explain away what Jesus said , Jesus was talking to believers here , he is not tell them they need to believe , cause they already believe , Jesus is telling them they need to become overcomers. Woe Woe Woe unti this guy because of what Revelation 22:19 says , he must think Jesus is just kidding , dont take away from the words of this book by trying to explain away what Jesus says, to hold on to your beliefs, you should repent and ask for forgiveness
Oh and the ones commenting that he is telling the truth should repent and ask forgiveness, you will be partakers of his evil deeds
What part are you specifically pointing to?
- Trent
To be worthy of Heaven we must contain HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, our own is as a filthy rag.
“And be found in him, NOT having mine OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS , which is of the LAW but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”
Philippians 3:9 KJV
“For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.”
Romans 5:17
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.”
Romans 5:18 KJV
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was IMPUTED unto him FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS : and he was called the Friend of God.”
James 2:23 KJV
“And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that RIGHTEOUSNESS might be IMPUTED unto them also:”
Romans 4:11 KJV
THE IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of the HOLY SPIRIT is FREELY GIVEN to all who BELIEVE on Christ as Lord and Savior.
Savior of what? Our SINS!
We believe and RECEIVE the free gift of righteousness, HIS PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS is supernaturally IMPUTED onto our spirit! The FLESH is still as a filthy rag, it’s why IT stays in the ground when we die!! .
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER THAT YOU BELIEVED , ye were SEALED with that HOLY SPIRIT of promise,”
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
With all of the Hell testimonials on youtube ,Im doubting that Im really saved. God hasnt delivered me from habitual sins in my life. Ive lost all joy in my life.
I understand how you feel, it is very easy to slip into this depressive way of thinking, especially when we are worried about hell. I’d like to say that not every hell testimonial on yt is biblical/real. Whether or not someone experienced what they are retelling doesn’t matter if it’s misaligned with the Bible.
As for habitual sin, I struggle with lust every day. It makes me feel like a fraud. I’m slowly learning to run back to the lord when I fail and to try again. A wise man falls 7 times and gets up 8. Trust that for whatever your habitual sin is God will use it to better you. If you desire to be righteous, God sees it. When the time is right, you’ll be free. Cut yourself some slack and trust the lords timing.
You can KNOW you are saved right now.
Have you believed in the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who died for all your sin?
If yes, then you’re saved. No works are necessary to have or keep your salvation because Jesus did all the work.
1 John 5:10-13. We know we are saved because we believed in the Son. He bears witness that we are saved.
We are sealed - Eph. 1:12-14
We are kept - 1 Peter 1:4-5
We have eternal life - John 3:15-18
- Trent
@@BibleLine what can you say for someone who fell into a period of unbelief but came back? This was me about a year ago.
For clarity, I was doubting the existence of God and the validity of the Bible.
You would still have your eternal life. 2 Timothy 2:11-19 makes this very clear. It even gives us two examples of apostates that were still saved. Hymenaeus and Philetus went against the faith, but God still knows they once believed unto salvation.
- Trent
OSAS is a false belief. Salvation is a free gifts from God. We aren't under Moses law anymore but under Christ Law. If you trusted Christ and believe that great but you can't willfully sin. Like remarry after divorce, Jesus said if you remarry after divorce shall be called a adulterous. Adulterous can't enter heaven.
Nevertheless, Jesus died to pay for all sin of adultery. Of course the sin is wrong, but the sin is paid. If a believer willfully sins, his salvation isn’t lost, but his fellowship and closeness to God is lost.
- Trent
Not if you read the KJV
@BibleLine See, Jesus(God) no remarriage after divorce. Paul said the only way to remarry is that the spouse must be dead. Jesus said if anybody ( lost or saved people) remarry after divorce shall be called adulterous. Paul said in Gal. 5:19-21 adultery can't enter the kingdom of God. So, there no way OSAS can be true. Christ didn't die so we can choose to sin in life. Hopefully, we will never change God's words. Jesus and Paul said the same.
I agree, the adulterous will not enter into heaven. The Spirit is what enters, and the Spirit cannot sin (1 John 3:7-9). Those who believe in Christ receive the Spirit (Eph. 1:12-14) as a blessing upon faith (Eph. 1:1-3).
Therefore, the sinful flesh (Gal. 5:16-21 will not enter heaven, but the Spirit will (5:22-23).
The believer in Jesus has both. This is why he encourages us to “Walk in the Spirit,” and not in the flesh.
It’s the same idea Jesus stated in John 3 “ye must be born again” - by the Spirit. Once you believe in Jesus, you are born again, and you have everlasting life (John 3:15-18).
Therefore the sin of adultery, when committed by the believer, does not wholly cancel his salvation. Rather, God is displeased because he chose to walk in the flesh. Salvation, nevertheless, stays in tact 100%.
Hope this helps you.
- Trent
Thanks for your reply. I feel like that what hurting the church is remarriage after divorce. What you just said our spirit enter heaven so people are ignoring Jesus and Paul words. I believe if Jesus (GOD) said not to do something, I think we should obey it. Thanks once again
Tell me if you believe it works can save you and you could be Born of the spirit again and again and again show me the impossible thing that you could do I do know that it is impossible for it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partake of the Holy Ghost and Jesus will pray to the father and he will give you another comforter which is the Holy Ghost and it will a abide with you forever this comforter will have the blood of Jesus applied to it that’s why you will be sealed with the Holy Ghost unto the day of redemption
You are mixing law and grace. God said dont do that.
Israels instructions are not our instructions:
Matthew 10:5,6 Jesus told the 12 to *not* take the gospel of the Kingdom to the Gentiles, or even enter into the houses of Sameritans, because Jesus wasnt speaking to us.
During the time of Jesus' earthly ministry, we were Gentiles without God, and without hope in the world. We we were called aliens, heathen, and strangers of the commonwealth of Israel.
Jesus blessed the Canaan woman at Matthew 15:24 because he knew she understood her religious standing: She has none.
That didnt stop her from overhearing some "crums" that fell from the Masters table when Jesus spoke to his own.
We are saved by grace throught faith in the finished crosswork of the ALREADY RISEN & Glorified Jesus in heaven.
2 Corinthians 5:19
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 kjv
Ephesians 2:8,10
Hope this helps. Grace and peace.
Ha. Continue reading alllll of 1 john ch 5. Ibwould love to hear him explain away the sin that leads to death where he addresses believers.....
The believer can sin to the point of literally being physically taken out of this world. This is fully in line with the rest of the book regarding a believer’s fellowship with God. Nevertheless, the reminder of the promise in verses 10-13 and 20 are abundantly clear. We are saved by believing in the finished work of Christ, and we know we have eternal life through Him alone.
- Trent
@BibleLine ha! Clearly he is talking about spiritual death. The entire books is about this. That is just denial. Also read hebrews ch 3 and hebrews ch 6 along with many other chapters. This is straight twisting and manipulating scripture in order to keep a theology from crumbling.....
@@ddff5242 I'm wondering how are you saved then? Paul called the Corinthians "Saved", so it means it's possible to know... Not to mention John the Apostol in his first letter that says: These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE in the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW that you have Eternal life." - Feel sorry for Martha then, because she was told half-truth: John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Romans 4:4-5 - No Paul your wrong... you have to believe and Obey to be saved...
I'm not sure what your question is. I would agree with you that you do have to believe just like the scriptures you pointed out. However, The idea that once you believe and it's impossible to fall away is just not biblical. Also, it doesn't follow common sense. Ask a parent who's child drifted away from what they were taught and ended up in prison. Of course their child believed them but selfish desires superceded their obedience to their parents. You wouldn't say that they didn't "truly believe" his parents. I get the appeal of this theology but it plays to people's desire for comfort and is not the balanced truth. Of course, there is a balancing act of God's grace and obedience through faith. Both need to be taught. I'm not a fan of churches that are all fire and brimstone either but the other side of the pendulum isn't authentic and intellectually honest if you read all of scripture either. I'm not sure if that was your point or not.
Also romans 4 4-5 is talking about works of the old testament law. If you read the whole chapter that context is given. The jews holding onto the old covenant is a consistent problem addressed in the new testament. Unfortunately that gets taken out of context to say you don't have to obey Jesus at at all. Just believe..... even Satan believed.....
AMEN 🙏
Thank you Jackie!
- Trent
Strange approach to truth. Sure, there are many passages that deny OSAS and posit a conditional salvation. Yet, why are we here? What I am saying is, why are these verses relevant? You do not have a single passage that teaches what OSAS assumes and teaches. You are working from a current belief, not Scripture, to determine if OSAS exists in the first place.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
KJV Bible
@@jm7578 "Believe" in the Greek is in the present tense, meaning a continuous uninterrupted faith in the present. God's condition of having (present tense) everlasting life depends on a present tense trust and faith. If belief stops, there is no promise in all of Scripture that says that the benefit connected to that belief still exists or continues.
One point of consistency and interest is that in the Greek N.T., where belief is a condition of FINAL SALVATION, it is always in the present tense.
@@jeffpaton9667 it doesn't have to say exactly that because it tells us how we get sealed with the holy spirit and the duration in which you are sealed ,
how do we receive the sealing? we hear the gospel ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) we believe it we at that moment of belief we are saved and sealed until the redemption of the purchased possession! there's no ongoing condition to be sealed until redemption day , the seal is ongoing regardless of anything !
Eph 1:13-14
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye 👉were sealed 👈with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance 👉until 👈the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
we are his purchased possession when we receive the sealing we are his he owns us he will lose none that he owns and has sealed until redemption day !
john 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and👉 ye are not your own?👈 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, 👉which are God's👈.
we are no longer our own, he owns us, he saved us, he seals us, he keeps us ! you cant sin your way out, you cant walk away from the seal, your free will is useless after we are sealed !
We have to keep in mind ..: Paul never teaches us losing your salvation but he said “Unless you believed in Vain” meaning u either don’t believe what he said. Or u are depending on yourself ….. REVELATIONS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH … those are ISREAL churches during Tribulation… the only time u see Christians in revelation is when we are mentioned as Angels that rule with Christ and come back with Christ … other than that … it’s not us … pay attention to how Jesus talks to the church … the reason we question things is bcuz we don’t RIGHTLY DIVIDE … our doctrine is ROMANS-philemon
Jesus said I came only for the lost sheep of ISREAL …. That’s not Christians … Christians are not at the great white throne we were judged when we are raptured for things done in the body … not our souls …. God gave Christians a grace that is 5 times greater than ISREAL … we are saved by faith … its sounds too good to be true that’s bcuz God is too good to be true
Anyone against osas is attempting to perfect their FLESH. The flesh stays in the ground when we die!
How are you perfecting your SPIRIT? You’re not!
Only Christ can supernaturally IMPUTE HIS PERFECT RIGHTEOUS onto our spirit. He does this at the moment we BELIEVE on him as our Lord and Savior.
And be found in him, NOT having mine OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS , which is of the LAW but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”
Philippians 3:9 KJV
“For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.”
Romans 5:17
“Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.”
Romans 5:18 KJV
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was IMPUTED unto him FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS : and he was called the Friend of God.”
James 2:23 KJV
Amen. Have you considered:
2 Corinthians 5:18-21?
Truth Time Radio channel on yt? Sounds like you might enjoy participating in our Bible study in Romans there😊
Grace and peace
Jesse, you should consider refuting this OSAS 'documentary' filled with false prophets Michael Brown, Joe Schimmel, Jesse Morrell, making the rounds in a big way.
We saw it. It’s in the plans!
- Trent
You can’t. A true believer can’t. Not with that new heart, a new spirit, and the fear of the lord, they’re a new creation. Doesn’t mean they are perfect but I don’t know a true believer that CAN go sin crazy willfully, they have a new set of desires and become allergic to sin.
There were sinful things I was very into many years ago. I wouldn’t dream to do those things 🤢 today. I don’t think I could if I wanted to, in fact I’m not sure I can even want to. I got a firmware update and became a prisoner of righteousness. I’m still in the same old hardware so there are some issues, conflicts, my flesh remembers sin fondly but I sure don’t.
Ppl against Eternal Security usually describe people who weren’t really saved, a false convert, or easy believism.
Easy believism just acknowledges and professes Jesus crucified and resurrected but there’s no faith which produces fruit of obedience. They have the faith in the facts, but even demons believe and tremble. True faith that accesses grace produces the fruit of obedience. A child that doesn’t trust or put faith in a parent doesn’t care to obey said parent because they don’t believe what they’re being told.
Eternal life isn’t eternal life if it can be lost once gained. If a true believer is living in carnality, they won’t for long one way or another Gods gonna enforce his promises that you will obey 😂 he gonna learn his children 😂🏓… that’s how I came to repentance. I got sorted. He promised he’d put the fear of the lord in his people.
Now the fear of the lord is my delight and a treasure to me, probably also the most important thing to me.
There is a guy on RUclips saying that those who hold to yhe Calvinist idea of salvation may be psychological narcissist:
ruclips.net/video/Kg_D25qm07s/видео.htmlfeature=shared
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins,
but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, by which flaming fire will devour the adversaries.
He that despised the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
How much worse punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:26-30)
If He begins a good work in you, He will finish it. That's not meant as an assurance, that is intended to support Faith. If you think you claim assurance, then you have no Faith. If you have no Faith, you have no place prepared for you in Eternity.
If you could lose your salvation then who would ever go to heaven? You are saved eternally! Repent means change your mind. By believing in Jesus and trusing him as your saviour. You have a gift and it is eternal.
Jesus did say that "few" will find it! Why then would the number of those who make it be an objection after Jesus made it plain that few will make it?
Read Rev 3:1-5 instead of just Rev 3:5 and you will understand that Jesus is scolding those believers whose faith is almost dead because it does not produce any more fruits and so they are about to lose their salvation. It’s absolutely clear. Stop playing tricks and pulling verses out of context. Osas is false.
Even in the context of the passage, OSAS holds true. Those who overcome are believers. Believers will not be blotted out of the book of life. We aren’t playing any trickery. Could you give us a verse by verse explanation for why you think the opposite?
- Trent
@@BibleLine “I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy.”
If osas is true, can you please explain why Jesus is warning them that they are dead and that they should repent before his coming, because otherwise only a few of them, those who are worthy because they produce good fruits, will be saved?
To overcome means to believe? Yes, I may even agree with that. But believing is not a quick mental event occurred in the past. It is a continuous process of endurance and obedience to Jesus’ commandments. If after you believed, your faith dies down and you stop obeying Jesus’ commandments, Jesus is warning them, you should make sure to repent and go back to your original faith and obedience, otherwise he will come like a thief in the night, which is a clear reference to Matt 24: “ 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Which means hell. If they do not repent, Jesus will come suddenly and cast them into hell.
The Jericho Connection A believer doesn't stop producing fruit in life.
John 15: 16 " You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you"
If eternal life is false, please show book chapter and verse to refute it.
@@thejerichoconnection3473 Wait , slow down. I gotta butt in here sorry pastor.
He didn't say overcome means to believe. He says that John writes that all believers OVERCOME by faith. What is so hard to understand ? Who is the author of faith? Jesus, or you? Is Jesus so weak He cannot finish what he started in us? The cross not enough? The blood not enough? That He needs YOU to finish what He started? THats works , your works do NOT save you or KEEP you saved.
I know all the verses people use to refute eternal life but I want you to chew on something before you reply with anything I have seen a million times.
IF eternal life , ( eternal life, see get it? Not If, or maybe, but eternal ) is not biblical, we all have a problem with the bible. It is fallible, and we cannot trust the promises of Jesus...
@@kimwestwood8840 “A believer doesn’t stop producing fruits in life”
It depends on what you mean by believer.
If “believer” means simply someone that some time in the past decided to put his faith in Christ, then yes, such a “believer” may stop at any time to produce fruits. This is exactly the example described in Rev 3. Jesus is talking to a church, which is, by this definition, a community of “believers”. And he is threatening them because they stopped producing fruits.
If “believer” instead means someone who keeps the faith in Christ throughout his life, then no, such a “believer” will not stop producing fruits.
But you see, you cannot possibly disentangle faith and good fruits. Having faith *means* producing good fruits.
This is why osas is false. Osas tries to separate what is impossible to separate-faith and good deeds.
If you have faith you also have good fruits. But if you stop having good fruits, it doesn’t mean that you never had faith. It simply means you stopped having faith.
And it doesn’t matter that faith is a gift from God: of course it is! But as with any gift, we may decide to accept it or not. And even after accepting it, we may at any moment decide to throw it away. It’s purely common sense.
Yes, your faith can wither and die. This is why Jesus is so angry at the church of Sardis, because he sees their faith dying. And if your faith is dead, it cannot possibly save you.
Because, you not using the 1611 KJV
We use the KJV
- Trent
Yes
The bible teaches that one can "lose" thetlor salavtion.
See Hebrew 6:4
Hebrews 6 promotes the exact opposite. Salvation is not in view in this passage, but eternal security is.
- Trent
@@BibleLine nope. Try again
The individuals in Hebrews 6 have tasted of the heavenly gift and cannot be renewed again to repentance because they have already believed in Jesus for salvation. Hebrews 6 (and the entire book) is urging these Hebrew Christian’s to not go back into the law system as though it can merit any salvation. They’re saved, but they are getting confused. They needed to get back to by grace are ye saved…
- Trent
@@BibleLine the key to the verse is "renewed again to repentance", hence it is possible to "lose" ones salavtion
@@BibleLine Incorrect.
The key to Hebrews 6:4 is seeing that if one falls way they cannot be renewed back to repentence a second time.
● not inherit the Kingdom
(a warning to "saints")
3 But fornication and *all uncleanness* [ακαθαρσια πασα] or greediness let it *not-even* [μηδε] be named *among you* [εν `υμιν], as becometh *saints* [`αγιοις],
4 and *disgraceful-behaviour* [αισχροτης] and *foolish-talking* [μωρολογια] or *coarse-talking/joking* [ευτραπελια], ...
5 *for this* [τουτο γαρ] ye know, that every *fornicator* [πορνος], or *unclean-person* [ακαθαρτος], or *greedy-person* [πλεονεκτης], who is an idolater, *hath not* [ουκ εχει] inheritance º *in the kingdom* [εν τη¡ βασιλεια¡] of Christ and of God.
6 *let no-one deceive you with vain words:* [μηδεις `υμας απατατω κενοις λογοις• / mēdeis humas apatatō kenois logois:] ...
- Eph 5^3-6
º compare:
Gal 5^19-21 ; 1-Cor 6^9-10
● Then Peter said unto Him, Lord, speakest Thou this parable *unto us* [pros hēmas], or also to all? ... Blessed is that servant ... *but if* [ean de] that servant ... my Lord delays to come ... and will appoint him his portion *with the unbelievers* [meta tōn apistōn].
- Lk 12^ 41...46
*Warnings in the epistle to the "Hebrews"*
◾But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; ...
3^13
🔴Heb chap 3
○addressed to:
... *holy brethren* [αδελφοι `αγιοι], *partakers* [μετοχοι] of the heavenly calling, ...
^1
... *any of you* [τις εξ `υμων] ...
^13
●warnings:
... in *(the)departing from* [τω¡ αποστηναι απο] the living God.
^12
... *be hardened* [σκληρυνθη¡] through the deceitfulness *of sin* [της `αμαρτιας].
^13
🔴Heb chap 6
○addressed to:
... ... *were made partakers* [μετοχους γενηθεντας] of the Holy Spirit, ...
^4-5
●warnings:
... *fall away* [παραπεσοντας] ...
impossible to ... renew
*again* [παλιν] unto repentance; ...
^4-6
🔴Heb chap 10
○addressed to:
... *we* [`υμων (us)] ...
^26
... *was sanctified* [`ηγιασθη], ...
^29
●warnings:
... sin *wilfully* [`Εκουσιως]* ...
... *no more* [ουκετι] sacrifice ...
^26
◾And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: ...
13^22
*一 KJV* [Textus Receptus]
♢
* [hekousiōs]: deliberately, willingly (1-Pet 5^2)
To that listener, good. Osas is false. Many are called but few are chosen.
of course you can lose salvation. you must repent from sin, also ALL who receive the mark are doomed to hell regardless. rev.19:20
You should doubt OSAS It is nonsense
Why do you think this?
- Trent
@@BibleLine There are many reasons, but let's look at a very simple statement in scripture.
If you do not forgive others, you will not be forgiven by the Father.
A belief in a one time salvation, then acting as an enemy of God is not scripture teaching. Yet just your own unwillingness to forgive , condemns you.