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A very poor representation of OSAS. Many of these men made claims that OSAS supports the idea "You don't have to live holy lives". The Bible clearly teaches we have to live holy lives. The distinction is simply made in scripture between salvation and service. Jesus commands us to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. That is the standard. Salvation is free through the grace of God through the only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Discipleship is costly and requires service, sacrifice and taking up your cross. Jesus is the only one who's righteousness is enough. The question is does God abandon you to hell when you sin after being saved by His grace? Is the individual saved actually sealed by the Holy Spirit? Are they actually a purchased possession bought with a price? Equating the P of TULIP to OSAS is also a misrepresentation. These men add in their righteousness to their salvation. The ultimately take the gospel and force people to look back on their own works for justification. One sin is a transgression of the whole law. If false teachings were creeping in as early as Paul (Galatians 1:6), don't appeal to "church fathers", appeal to scripture. John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24) John 11:25-26 - "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?" (John 11:25-26) John 6:47 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes in me has everlasting life." (John 6:47) Acts 16:31 - "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your household." (Acts 16:31) 1 John 3:23 - "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23) John 8:24 - "I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins." (John 8:24) John 6:29 - "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent." (John 6:29) 1 Corinthians 1:21 - "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 John 5:1 - "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loves him that begot loves him also that is begotten of him." John 3:15 - "That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:36 - "He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him." Romans 10:9 - "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved." Romans 10:10 - "For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Mark 16:16 - "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned." Acts 10:43 - "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whoever believes in him shall receive remission of sins." 1 John 5:5 - "Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" Romans 4:5 - "But to him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 1:16 - "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." John 14:12-14 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." 1 John 5:10-13 John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Romans 1:16 1 John 5:13 - "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God." Romans 11:23 - "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again."
So u believe you have to HELP Jesus Christ Who do you think HE is going to say to DEPART FROM HIM WORKERS LIKE YOUR SELF? Or Belivers like me and others that trust just thatJesus Christ died on the CROSS for all sinners and trust HIM ONLY ?
This is why I always study the word in the original language; “salvation” typically refers to being saved, however like many Hebrew words, salvation has two different meanings, and one of them is a Kingdom victory, which is the original meaning and intent in this passage rather then salvation in “being saved”;
@@Upperroad4480 those that remain till the end are the truly saved by their soul being helded in the hands of Christ not works .salvation has got nothing to do with a person working as a Christians, but being a Christian will produce the will and the works Christ puts in that person heart .being saved doesn't mean a person says lord I'm going to walk on water for u, it means that ur faith is in christ to fulfill his will in u. AMEN
@@blessisrael6455 salvation means by God's mercy and the saving Grace of our Lord AND Savior Jesus Christ that u have been Forgiven for ur sins and have excape ed God's Judgement.and the promise that our name is written in the Lambs Book Of Life, that he is our Sheppard that helps us walk each day in his Grace Growing ING In his Grace .the one that is Faithful which is Jesus Christ is the one Guardes our hearts and ur Sour in his hands in which no one , not even our urself can lose that salvation Amen .it's God's perfect will and perfect deliverance from sin. Amen
'I do not run aimlessly, nor do I box by beating the air with my fists. But I discipline my body harshly, and bring it into subjection; for I fear lest, after preaching to others, I myself should be cast away' (1 Cor. 9:26-27).
"I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means*, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." Paul is eternally saved, speaking to eternally saved brethren. He was very careful during his ministry, including working wherever he lodged, so as not to be seen by men as insincere, even though God allowed him to be supported, he insisted to do it himself. In this passage he is also pointing out that he fights the sin inside himself so to be seen by men as worthy, and not a hypocrite counterfeit while preaching the saving grace Gospel of the Lord God Jesus Christ. He is not talking about being castaway from God. Context matters.
@vickyannpaintingwithoils Paul talks about not running aimlessly and disciplining his body. The context is that he could be disqualified from the race even though he was a person preaching the gospel. After that example, in chapter 10, Paul uses the Israelites as examples of them falling away. Under the Old Covenant, the people could fall away, it's the same under the New Covenant. That's his whole point. That's why he is warning them about idolatry in chapters 8 - 10.
@@vickyannpaintingwithoils *Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
the amount of mental gymnastics these people use to justify works based salvation.. You are saved by your faith only! No matter how many works you do, you can't save yourself.
Just a quick and respectful correction. We should write saved "through faith," not 'by faith." The latter "by faith" implies faith has power to save. We're justified by faith, and saved by God's grace through faith.
@@catholictruth102 James 2: 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. This is talking about justification among men. Since we are Christians, we are called to do works for the will of God. That does not affect out eternal salvation as you can see in verse 23.
@@shashamylife What? Did you even read the very own verses you’ve pasted? It’s speaking of Abraham being seen as righteous before God, not before man. Then James 2:24 comes immediately after. The immediate context is justification before God.
@@catholictruth102 Yes he is righteous before God because of his faith in God. He is justified before men, by his works. The whole context of James chapter 2 is for Christians to live Christian lives.
That's not what the verse says. Further, he warns the Galatians of this very danger of not finishing well. Galatians 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? Philippians 3 For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him...12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own... 16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained...18 For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ.
There is an inescapable conclusion from this film that there are simply those who are capable of continuing to believe and those who just can't quite get it together. How in the world does that not become salvation by merit?
@@EricaCampbell-iv5jj "Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:1 For examples of faith read the whole chapter. In other words, faith is believing what you can't see because you believe in the One who promised.
Which is not of yourselves... Ephesians 2:8. We can't WILL ourselves to have more faith. God works in us to give us the faith and that is what we respond to for a clean conscience. But the debate of free will and God's sovereignty is definitely a debated subject for a long time. He won't force our will to match His... but he will draw us to it by the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:21 “… I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
@@Yata-Hey Gal 5:24-25: "Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also behave in accordance with the Spirit."
In 1 John it mentions " these things have I written on you that you may know that you have eternal life".. John 6 says he that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out..
@@dannodoesfunthings8100 we stay saved by the one who saved us very easy to understand unless we deny the blood that Jesus shed at the Cross for the forgiveness of all our sins
That's very sad because what they are saying is a lie. This "documentary" is full of untrue and misleading information. Please research the many rebuttal videos that have already come out.
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@christophe_li It doesn't make sense how you have two groups of christians here, ones who think its okay to sin, and the others who say its not okay to sin... I guess the answer lies in what Jesus came to do.. To set the captives free. From what exactly? I'll let you take the guess, or will you live in denial.
@99kakaman no. Neither of us think it’s ok to sin. One of us thinks that salvation is a gift from God with no strings attached as clearly stated in 👉Romans 6:23 kjv and is only received by believing on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus alone apart from any works or from turning from any sin). (The saving gospel 👉1 Cor 15 1-4 KJV) one of us believes that we are sealed until the day of redemption when we hear, believe, and trust the gospel according to Ephesians 1:13 & 4:30 kjv. One of us believes that there are carnal Christians who are saved 👉1 Corinthians 3:1-3 kjv. And one of us knows that ministers of satan will be disguised as people who preach holiness and having good works 👉 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJV One of us actually takes Jesus’s promise to heart regarding eternal security. 👉 John 11:25-26 King James Version 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall 👉never die👈. Believest thou this?
BEWARE: They have set up this STRAWMAN called OSAS to debunk it and promote this their HERESY. MATTHEW 7:15 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Eternal Life is a promise given to everyone who put they Trust the Son, so if you can lose that life after 5 or 10 years after getting it, the only conclusion we can come to is that that was not Eternal life because Eternal life will not last and that is the promise for in Christ. If you can lose it that means you didn't possess it either at the first.
WHY DOES THE LORDS PRAYER SAY “And forgive OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US. WHY DOES IT SAY GIVE US OUR DAILY BREAD? OUR DAILY BREAD. WHY ARE THERE PASTORS IN HELL? WHY ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN HELL? PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF. THE RAPTURE IS COMING. JESUS IS COMING. ONE WAY or ANOTHER YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER SOON. PLEASE FOLLOW JESUS TILL YOUR LAST BREATH. IN HELL. NO LAUGHTER. NO SLEEP. NO WIND. NO AIR. NO SUN. NO FREE WILL. NO PLEASANT SMELLS OF FOOD. HUNGER 24/7. WORMS EATING YOUR DECAYING FLESH. FOUL DEMON ODOR 24/7.NO COMPANIONSHIP. NO COLOR. RAPE OF YOUR SOUL DAY AND NIGHT. HOPELESSNESS. PARANOIA 24/7. NO ENERGY OF ANY KIND INSIDE OF YOU. TIRED 24/7. GNASHING OF TEETH 24/7. NO HOPE OF ESCAPING. FINAL VERDICT. LAKE OF FIRE. THINKING ABOUT YOUR BURNING SOUL ETERNALLY.PLEASE FEAR THE LORD. DONT ABUSE HIS GRACE.❤❤❤❤
I hope this can help you friend at least a little. ““I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.” John 15:1-8 NKJV
Question, is it your child? DNA tests proves if a child belongs to the father, living willfully in sin PROVES a child of darkness. No 'born again' follower of Jesus Christ will continue to willfully sin against God....Galatians 5:17-21 tells us EXACTLY what we must turn away from. Paul challenged the Corinthians to test themselves to see if they were REALLY in the faith, 2Corinthians 13:5
@@motivatingu2win incorrect. A child of God is born freely of his grace by the receiving of Christ Jesus as Lord. No works. No boasting. One of the worse sins you can be found guilty of as a child of God is the sin of self righteousness. The facts are that you sin often and with repetition throughout your very own day. As you mentioned though in Gal 5, believers are not identified by the sins of their flesh as a result of their having been set freely spiritually. This is known as the circumcision made without hands as taught in Colossians 2. This presentation is works salvation through and through being deceitfully disguised as exhortation/sanctification.
**”Once saved, always saved” refuted** CAN A CHRISTIAN FALL AWAY? CHRISTIANS (those truly "saved to begin with") CAN: 1. Depart from the faith (1 Tim. 4:1) 2. Wander away from the faith (1 Tim. 6:10) 3. Swerve from the faith (1 Tim. 6:21) 4. Abandon our faith (1 Tim. 5:12) 5. Make shipwreck of our faith (1 Tim. 1:19) 6. Fall from grace (Gal. 5:4) 7. Desert him who called you and turn to a different gospel (Gal. 1:6) 8. Receive the grace of God in vain (2 Cor. 6:1) 9. Swerve from the truth, upsetting the faith of some (2 Tim. 2:18) 10. Drift away from the truth (Heb. 2:1) 11. Have an evil, unbelieving heart, leading us to fall away from the living God (Heb. 3:12) 12. Be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Heb. 3:12-14) 13. Fail to reach the promise of entering into His rest (Heb. 4:1) 14. Fall by disobedience to enter His rest (Heb. 4:11) 15. Fall away and impossible to restore unto repentance (Heb. 6:4-6) 16. Deliberately go on sinning and no longer have a sacrifice for sins (Heb. 10:26-27) 17. Shrink back (Heb. 10:38) 18. Fail to obtain the grace of God (Heb. 12:15) 19. Wander from the truth (James 5:19-20) 20. Forsake the right way (2 Peter 2:15) 21. Become entangled and overcome AFTER having escaped them (2 Peter 2:20-21) 22. Be carried away with the error of lawless people and lose our stability (2 peter 3:17) 23. Commit a sin leading to death (1 John 5:16) 24. Stop abiding in the teaching of Christ (2 John 1:9) 25. Be taken out of the book of life (Revelation 22:19) 26. Be not forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:14-15) 27. Be thrown in with the unbelievers (Luke 12:46) 28. Perform miracles and still be rejected by Jesus (Matthew 7:21-28) 29. Be condemned for not walking in the Spirit (Romans 8:1/8:13) 30. Be spewed out by Jesus for being lukewarm (Revelation 3:15-17)
The context of the end of romans 8 was talking about external things not separating us when we go through trial not sin,early in the chapter he shows sin can bring you to death and seperates you,as for never leaving no forsaking us which is quoted from Deuteronomy it is clear he said later in that book if they leave or forsake him he will forsake them. God is willing to always stay in the relationship but if we no longer have faith in our hearts and depart he will not force us to stay,once saved always saved is a lie from Hell clearly not shown in scripture warned against in Jude. Wake up from this terrible doctrine and misuse of scripture and actually watch the documentary, you would never abuse your wife and say "once loved always loved" and expect her to never leave so don't think the same of God
Marriage symbolizes the unity of God - the two become one but are still two. As the Trinity cannot be separated so the bond of a marriage should not be broken as Man bears the Image of God. Maybe this is primarily why God hates divorce. But God allows it, nonetheless. As one can divorce his/her spouse so a Believer can divorce God. Both are done by an act of free will. Keep vigilant in your love for your spouse and keep vigilant in your love for God. Faith, love, obedience to his will. Good works are done in love through faith by an act of obedience (free will) for the glory of God and are done for others ("I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was hungry, and you gave me food, naked and you clothed me....").
nope... but you can definitely forsake HIM, become unfruitful in faithlessness [Matt 13:18-23] and be cast off like a withered branch [John 15:1-15], as YOU wander from the narrow way [Matt 7:13-27], and in lacking these things of faithfulness, you become blind, and cannot see afar off, and having forgotten you were purged from your old sins [2Pet1:1-9] you neglect the salvation you received.. Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him? “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
Eph 1:13-14 “You were SEALED with Holy Spirit of Promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption purchased possession unto the praise of HIS (God’s)Glory! John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life;and they shall never perish, neither shall ANYMAN pluck them out of my hand. 29-- My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand ARE YOU A MAN? If you are a man you cannot pluck yourself out of your hand. Parole def- Early release of a prisoner who is then subject to continued monitoring as well as compliance with certain terms and conditions for a specific period. Grace plus works= oxymoron Oxymoron=Two incompatible ideas John 8:35 A slave does not abide in the house forever, but a Son abides forever. We are now sons of God-Forever James 1:16 Every good and perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the father of lights with whom there is no variation nor SHADOW of turning Rom 11:29 the gifts and Callings of God or without repentance. John 10:28 I give my sheep ETERNAL life and they shall NEVER perish nor shall they be plucked out of my hand, (29) my Father which gave them to me is greater than all , and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 1 Peter 1:5 Kept by the power of God unto Salvation. (I am not kept by my works!) 2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also SEALED us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. Rom 8:38-39 Nothing can separate us from the LOVE of God Eph 4:30 SEALED until until the day of REDEMPTION!! John 14:16 I will give you another Comforter that abides with you FOREVER John 3:16 given Everlasting life Heb 13:5 I’ll never leave you or forsake you 2 Tim 2:12 I know whom I have BELIEVED and am PERSUADED that HE (NOT ME!!) is able to keep that which I committed unto him against that day (day of REDEMPTION). Eph 2:8-9 You are saved by GRACE (and Paul is clear to add “NOT OF WORKS”!!) so no man can boast What God has joined together let no man Gen 7:16 “And they that went in (Noah and family), went inmale and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in” Heb literally imprisoned, secure Assurance Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,having our hearts sprinkled from an evilconscience, and our bodies washedwith pure water. Hebrew full confidence Confidence Just a few of a mountain of scriptures on the true believers eternal security.
*Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
@@catholictruth102 “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
@@catholictruth102 Romans 8:13 is not a salvation passage, nor is it a you can lose your salvation passage either. Romans 8:14: "For if ye live after the flesh [having sex, being a drunk, living a reckless life, etc.], ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Where does it say you can lose salvation here?
1 Timothy 4:1 KJV - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
@@donkilluminati123 1 John 1:7 deals with that, " If we walk in the light as he is in the light the blood of Christ cleanses us from all our sins..." but those who believe in OSAS do not believe you have to walk in the light, you can walk in darkness and still be saved. It also tells in 1 John 1 to confess our sins .....you might want to take the time to read it. Also Romans 6, those who have been baptized into Christ have been freed from sin v7 and it says in v6 " our old self was crucified with Jesus so that the sinful body might be destroyed...." this happens when you have been baptized into Christ, read also Col 2:12-14
For by Grace are ye Saved, that Not of yourselves, it is a Gift of God!! ...plus im Sealed by the Holy Spirit who lives in me, and he is our Guarantee til the day of our Redemption❤
Amen also with that Sealing .... according to Ephesians 4:30 we can grieve the Holy Spirit by obviously sinning and yet we are still Sealed with the Holy Spirit UNTIL THE "DAY OF REDEMPTION" as Christians we technically ARE saved STILL saved and WILL FINALLY BE SAVED in it's fullest meaning At conversion we are Spiritually Resurrected and later on we also Receive our Physical Resurrected bodies if you read John 6:47-50 Jesus not only offers eternal life Spiritually but also promises Physical Resurrection at the last day. 😊
He that has been sealed by the Holy Spirit can become UNSEALED by not abiding in Jesus and then dying in that state. As Jesus Himself said, "If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." -- John 15:6. Jesus would not have given this warning UNLESS there was the possibility of it happening. Salvation is all about ABIDING.
@siradamthebombdiggity Not Jesus! He said that if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered. In other words, the man had to start out with Jesus, from whence he became a branch, but he did not REMAIN with Jesus, and was therefore cast off as a branch and withered.
@ 14:40 there is a blatantly obvious misinterpretation of the Bible in First Corinthians 9:24-27. Salvation is not even being talked about in that passage. Salvation is NOT A PRIZE to be won by how you live. This passage is about eternal rewards, not salvation. You do not earn salvation as a prize because you lived a dedicated life to the end. Salvation was won for you by Jesus Christ and you receive it as a FREE GIFT by faith in His finished work. Not one of these men understands salvation. Btw, I'm FAR from being a Calvinist. OSAS is Bible doctrine based on many clear passages of scripture. It cannot be walked away from or undone. Neither can you cease being born again. Once born again always born again. It is an eternal relationship with God our Father that will NEVER cease. To call salvation a "prize" is to place all the glory of our salvation upon ourselves, not Christ, who alone won it for us by the sacrifice of His innocent blood on the cross. If you did not get everlasting life when you believed you did not get saved. It really is that simple.
If we're not forgiving of our future sins then the reality is we're always in a state of unforgiveness, I am never in a constant state of perfection... That will happen at glorification... If you do not believe your future sins are forgiven then I don't know how you would ever feel like you are forgiven for even a second.
You should be working on being Holy, with Jesus and reading scriptures everyday and praying for power from Him to do what it says or obeying what it says to Do. If you are doing the Good Deeds the Lord prepared for you to do with Him, after you are Born Again, then you won’t have time or energy to act wickedly or do Lawlessness or behaving ungodly. I was a Christian, I thought, when Jesus Spoke to me and Said I was going to have to go to Hell, for Pride, Fornication and your Sins. I didn’t really understand what any of those WORDS MEANT, so He Told me to go look them up in The Old Family Dictionary that ended up at my house. I encourage you to look them up! This happened in 1988. The only reason I’m still here is because I did as He asked and repented and CHANGED to learn to Do Jesus’s Will and not my Self Seeking anymore…… I hope you make it into His Kingdom of Love and Peace. It takes sacrifice and discipline to turn from the way of the flesh and this world.
@@LeonTheLion-777 what if his refering to ask for forgiveness because your sins affect you on earth , like you struggle with a sin and it backlashes you , you know god punishes his childrean right because they miss behave? chastise scourge , even death?
I personally believe the truth is somewhere in between. I think both sides go to the extreme which I don’t think is accurate. When repenting and becoming saved by God’s grace through Jesus Christ sacrifice your past and future sins are forgiven and your salvation is not at stake for making mistakes and sinning in the future. But when you sin you repent and ask forgiveness as you are condemned by the knowledge given you by the Holy Spirit in your heart. You know you did wrong and you feel the guilt and shame and need to be forgiven for it anew. Where I am not so sure is the giving away your salvation through your actions and heart, both ways make sense to me in that God could let you walk away if you chose but also I can see where God would not allow a human to have that power once given to Him through salvation. The Bible is very difficult to understand especially in a translated language because we don’t know how accurate the translation is based on multiple meanings of words. I have always believed that much of the debating is irrelevant and doesn’t matter if we totally understand each thing as much as understanding the way to salvation and the way to live in God’s will. If you are truly saved I don’t see how you could change back and allow yourself to be unsaved if that is possible. I feel shame and guilt for saying something in anger or frustration so I can’t imagine how I’d turn evil enough to warrant losing salvation because I wouldn’t be able to fall that far from God. Just my thoughts as a “normy” with no theology training or anything like that.
Scripture says we ought to walk just as Christ walked, friend. There are two reasons for remaining in sin after receiving the gospel: Such a person either loves pleasure rather than God or they deny the power of God that can make them holy. The Holy Spirit is He who makes holy. Scripture says whoever continues to practice sin is a liar and does not know Jesus. If we fall, we are to confess and repent, not make excuses to continue wallowing in the mire.
It literally means you can get saved and unsaved 100000 times. So it goes like this, you sin at 11:30am and your name is cancelled from the book then you repent at 11:32 then your name is written again, then u sin at exactly 11:35 then your name is taken out of the book, then u repent at 11:37 then your name is written again and it goes like that. So you can be saved and unsaved 100 times a day. 2 mins ago you were born by God and now you are not God's son anymore.
@@originalkwao3365 If you live in willful sin he never took your sins away because you have a false Jesus. Just like mormons and jw claim to love Jesus but in reality they follow fake Jesus. Real Jesus will not lead you into sin, so you never believed him in the first place. You believed fake Christmas card Jesus, or fake its okay to be gay Jesus, or fake a woman can be a pastor Jesus. Now the REAL Biblical Jesus will sanctify you, will you be perfect? I can't say, but will you live in WILLFUL SIN? Certainly not!
Titus 2:11-14 KJV For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, [12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; [13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; [14] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
I have never seen such blatant misuse of Scripture in all my life. It was non stop throughout the documentary. This documentary was the perfect example of eisegesis. This documentary would be a good video for Bible colleges to show their students to illustrate the way people misuse Scripture. I'm embarrassed for you all.
@@renancorte I have a whole playlist pretty much addressing every Scripture they misused. They used the same old recycled arguments that have been debunked by many. They are assuming their audience is ignorant of the Scriptures and are preying on those who haven't been subjected to any good teaching. ruclips.net/p/PLsAzBnjakfp6yeSnGN-pEDQzcshL9Rs8r
All the “teachers” in this video are just collectively saying, “hey we don’t really understand regeneration or monergistic birth so this is the best we got!”
Glad that i believe in preserverance of the saints, that teaches instead that Christ will keep all the people He saves in Him, which means following Him and bearing fruits. If we could lose our salvation, we would.
That is an innovation of the Reformation not a belief held by the Early Church. Like Sola Scripture which the Reformation itself disproves by its development of sectarianism and eventually denominationalism.
There are numerous verses about names being blotted out of the Book of Life. While God says no one can pluck you out of the Father's hand, that doesn't exempt individuals from personal accountability. Claiming a higher standard is reserved for saints is merely an excuse for complacency. Saints and believers alike are held to the same standard, as Paul emphasizes in striving for excellence. It's disrespectful to settle for the bare minimum when Christ endured excruciating suffering for us. Christ's sacrifice wasn't for us to merely scrape by, but to transform our hearts and minds. We're called to imitate God and actively participate in our salvation journey, not just passively believe. Aligning with God requires diligent effort, not just lip service. It's time to stop deceiving ourselves and put in the necessary work to cultivate true faith and obedience.
@@jeimmyjurado-r5l if you can lose it you have to work to keep it. To say otherwise it's cognitive dissonance. They didn't understand the Gospel of our first and second birth. Our will is neither determined like that of Calvinism, nor is it autonomous like that in Arminianism. Both systems teach salvation is ultimately by us instead of Jesus.
Both sides of the argument are wrong, because neither understand the nature of soul, eternal life, what is salvation or how it works, and how our eternal life in this world translates to our eternal life in eternity.
If one can lose salvation and eternal life, then it means no one alive is actually saved yet, and the "eternal" life is not actually eternal. Loss of Salvation Theology (LOST) is a false gospel of works-salvation that is repackaged as "continuing in faith."
@@elizabethl3323that is just not true. You believe what they are saying too without recognizing it and making the connections. A Christian is someone who has been regenerated, which means their hearts are orient toward God. Did they say they will be perfect and no longer sin at all? No, simply they will bear the fruit of salvation. Paul states it is by grace through faith, not of works lest any should I boast. But then he says we are his workmanship created in Christ for good works so that we can walk in them. James says I will show you my faith by my works. This isn’t a weight to people’s salvation. They shouldn’t feel like God is requiring something of us we can’t do. Because we are saved we should want to please God. It should be a Joy to know that because you are saved you should want to do what is right and faithful to God. Do we still make mistakes? Yes absolutely. But that difference is even when I do make a mistake God still loves me and because he loves me I should want to change my behavior.
“… if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”
John 10:27-30 [27]My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; [28]and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. [29]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. [30]I and the Father are one."
Philippians 1:6 New King James Version 6" ....being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you WILL complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;"
He will complete it if you endure in faithfulness until the end.... but one can absolutely forsake HIM and in lacking the things of faithfulness laid out in 1Pt2:1-11, For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. but he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
SLAP SLAP TO JESUS CHRIST YOU JUST SAID THAT JESUS WILL NOT FINISH REALY ? Does jesus christ EVER ,,,,UN,,, REDEEM HIS OWN ,,,,,AFTER,,, HE HAS REDEEMED THEM Can a born again Christisn be come UN BORN AGAIN ARE YOU BRAVE ENOUGH TO ANSWER THESE QUISTIONS .
you must be Faithful to Jesus Christ for Him to complete that good work but you can if you choose tooto walk away from Jesus Christ.even Jesus Christ had a lot of disciples turn away from him and walked no more with him.
@@theodoreritola7641no he doesn't but you do when you turn and walk away from the Faith. when the Devil comes to you with strong temptations you have a decision to make to resist the Devil or give in to the temptations when you give in you start a process of backsliding from the faith but if you repent God will restore you but repentance is your responsibility. Jesus has already done everything he can do and that is the work he done on the Cross.
God says you can lose your salvation. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the SPIRIT expressly says that in later times some will DEPART from the FAITH by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, God says some will depart from the faith. How can you depart from something you never had? You can lose your salvation if you don't continue if the faith. God is talking about believers, not people who did not believe. Don't believe false teachers! Don't believe once saved, always saved. It is a Satanic doctrine, a doctrine of demons! Believe God and be saved!
1 John 2:19 "They WENT OUT from us, but they DID NOT BELONG to us; for if they had belonged to us, they WOULD have REMAINED with us. However, they WENT OUT so that it might be made clear that NONE of them BELONGS to us." Clearly, these verses, like the parable of the soils are referring to false converts, who make public proclamations of faith, without an actual inward repentance.
@@spartakos3178 We can have false converts in Christianity. But having false converts doesn't negate the fact that true converts can lose their salvation if they don't continue in the faith.
Yesterday, I quit my job at Walmart. Others are telling me "well, you probably never worked there anyway". See how "must not have been saved to start with" makes no sense?
I don't believe they were truly saved then. The Bible says that the elect cannot be deceived. So they didn't have the Holy Spirit. God doesn't give his Holy Spirit to mistakes.
John5:24, these are the false teachers the bible speaks about, they would rather Glory in your flesh but they themselves do not keep the circumcision aka they don't fulfill the law and would rather you work on fulfilling the law by your own works rather than resting in the blood of christ, they think God's work wasn't finsihed at the cross and that God needs your help finishing his glorious work, they make God weak and place themselves above God to assist in him in finishing the work on the cross. they turn back to works of the law thus turning back to their own vomit. Reject these liars who preach self righteousness rather than the righteousness of God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
@@randyschuffert It is good to serve the Lord. It must be done in spirit snd in truth. But how? "The hesrt is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked who can know it? Jeremiah 27:9 We need a new heart. Jesus said, You must be born again. John 3:3-8. "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit." Verses 3:5-6. Born again is regeneration. Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary online. 'Regeneration means; Reproduction, the act of producing anew. In theology, New birth by the grace of God, that change by which the will and natural enmity of man to God and his law are subdued, and a principle of supreme love to God and his law, or holy affections, are implanted in the heart.' Implanted. Humbling isn't it. We cannot do that. So who does God look to? the humble and contrite ones. Psalm 34:18 and Isaiah 57:15. Ask God to send the Holy Spirit to you, Luke 11:13. He will bring your sins to mind. As he does ask Jesus to forgive you. This will be painful, PRIDE HATES IT. When you see your desperate need (Jeremish 17:9) for a Saviour, call out to Jesus to save you. He came to save sinners. Then do as the risen Jesus commanded, be baptized. Matthew 28:18-20, in the water of repentance Mark 1:1-5, Matthew 3:6. Calling on the name of the Lord, Romans 10:9-13. How? As Peter preached Acts 2:21, 38 and as Paul did, Acts 22:16, Acts 19:1-5. Think on Mark 16:16, 2 Peter 3:9, Romans 6:3-11, 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Colossians 2:6-15. When He has regenerated you, you will desire Him. Read His inspired word, the Authorized Version, the King James Bible. The Spirit of truth will lead you into all truth. His word strengthens, washes (as does His powerful blood). His word reads you Hebrews 4:12. Daily bible reading and prayer is essential in building on the foundation which is Christ Jesus. PS. The other apostles were already baptized, they baptized others. John 4:1-2. Read His preserved word, the Authorized Version later called the King James Bible.
@@theodoreritola7641 Some get redeemed, but never justified by the blood or by faith. These fall away from O.T. type salvation, but were never saved in the N.T. way--II Pet. 2:1.
If you stay faithful to Christ, you have assurance. If you choose to abandon your faith for love of the world, then you’re playing with fire. It’s that simple. That isn’t works salvation. I’ve come to the same conclusion as the video has on this topic based on study of the Bible. Esau forfeited his birthright for a bowl of soup, Israelites in the wilderness groaned for the way of life in a Egypt and died in the wilderness. If those were written for our instruction, why are we so lax about the possibility of forfeiting our faith for the world that we’ve left? Why are we assuming that it isn’t possible for someone to do, harden their heart against conviction and return to the mud and muck of the world? God always has mercy, but if someone dies in that state of forfeit and knowing rejection, what faith is there to save them?
The documentary mistakenly equivocates OSAS with licentiousness. The security of the believer is not a licence to sin. One can hold to OSAS and sanctification. They aren't mutually exclusive.
@@catholictruth102No it doesn't. It separates the Kingdom of heaven from the way the world operates. The point is Israel's leaders are not in the kingdom and will have to repent of their unforgiveness.
@@tsines3 How’s that? If God said He’d treat us like how the master treated the servant in the parable, and the servant had his forgiveness revoked, why would you assume you cannot also have your forgiveness revoked?
0:09 ...is a lie, actually. No one says that. The Puritans. What was their lifestyle after conversion? How does it compare to yours? Jonathan Edwards. He preached Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, and led The Great Awakening. Did he say what we do doesn't matter? The Reformers. Were they godly in their personal lives, and did they encourage that in others? "Depart from Me, I never knew you." He never knew them -- ever. "My sheep hear My voice, and they follow, and I give them life." They're sheep before receiving life(!). Goats don't become sheep, or sheep goats, in anything Jesus ever said. Jesus in John 6 (two verses). "All whom the Father gives Me will come to Me", and "No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by the Father". If the Father has decided that you're coming to Jesus, you're coming to Jesus. And if He hasn't, you won't. If your theology is cooperative, who receives glory at the end? What would a theology look like where God receives all of the glory at the end?
I think you missed the word eternal. If your salvation can be lost then eternal salvation that the Messiah was promised to those who believe and have faith in him is false and you make the Messiah a "LIAR". FYI once saved always always are to those who only had a genuine faith in Christ not the fake one thats says they are saved but their life is carnal and live according to flesh and not according to the spirit. And remember the bible says that the true saved can fall to sin but sin has no power in him. And the bible also teach that if true Christians fail we asked forgiveness but it doesnt mean that the geniune Christian can loose their salvation because they fall into sin because no man even a ginuene christians can live a perfect life! That is why Christ came to crucified our sins past present and future on the cross
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23 ESV This what the Lord teaches. 3 realities. 1 Stating the obvious : ““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, 2 The kingdom of heaven is real. 3 We enter the Kingdom by doing the Father’s will. In Hebrews , we are reminded not to downtrodden God’s works of grace. In the Old Testament, did everyone enter the promised land after coming out of Egypt? Having been delivered from our Egypt, bondage of sins, do we need to press on to the Promised Land? Were all delivered from Sodom? All except Lot’s wife who disobeyed even the potential to be saved was there . Shalom!
EXACTLY…. God had/HAS HIS plan to save WHOM HE CHOOSES….and those names He wrote in HIS BOOK OF LIFE, long before he laid earths foundation…So IT IS TRUTH, once saved ALWAYS saved….it is humans who have wrongly judged WHO THEY believes to be saved….their life only ‘appeared’ as that of a righteous individual….But may not be authentic IN. THE. FIRST. PLACE!!!
All Christians sin daily and will sin until the day they die: “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
Mark 10:18 There is none good but One, that is, God. God is the only one that is Faithful. Faithfulness is definitely work that only God can do. It is Gods faithfulness towards us that establishes what we are, not what we does towards him Just gives thanks to God for what he has done towards us, for he is the foundation for everything we are
@@malcolm716 Faithfulness is definitely not a work, it is being loyal to God only in your worship. The word faithful comes from the word faith and only by faith in Christ can we be saved. Faithfulness is an act of faith. Jesus was faithful to His Father and we must be faithful to God. 1 CORINTHIANS 4:2 2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. REVELATION 2:10 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
@@terierichards1366 It is also our faithfulness that God counts for righteousness. 1 CORINTHIANS 4:2 2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. FAITHFULNESS is an act of FAITH. 2 TIMOTHY 2:12 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: Who is Jesus faithful to? His Father, God and to those who are faithful to Him. If we are not faithful to Him, He is not faithful to us. If you are not in Christ He will deny you but if you are in Christ He will not deny Himself. That's what that verse you quoted means.Don't get your understanding from reading just one verse, it will mess up you theology.
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
Regardless of what the Bible teachers believe it’s the message that’s convenient to understand for many people who hear it. Also the Bible has verses that specifically say that you can be a partaker in the Holy Spirit and then be worse off after abandoning it. Therefore “if they left they were never a true Christian” doesn’t work. Even if it was true then technically you don’t know if you’ll ever walk away and have people say you were never a true Christian…… Being respectful. Just trying to analyze the text and carry the propositions out to logical conclusions.
Actually they presented a fair though admittedly not balanced video. OSAS folks don't realize how bad their doctrine sounds till they hear it explained in a way NOT not couched in their cliches and slogans.
What some people forget is that once we believe in Jesus and the gospel we are 'marked' with the Holy Spirit (Eph.1:13) who begins the sanctification process and does not stop until the job is finished. (Phil.1:6) God/Jesus always keeps His promise to NEVER leave us nor forsake us! That word 'never' includes anytime we think or claim we are leaving Him. He is faithful to bring back every lost sheep.
Jude 1:24-25 (KJV) "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen"
@siradamthebombdiggity I believe in Jesus as Lord. I just don't believe once saved always saved is biblical. The notion that one can be saved and live anyway they want without repercussions echoes exactly opposite what the Bible speaks.
Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” 1 John 2:19, 27 KJV
All the righteous works of human history put together could not save a single man from a single sin. Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection offer forgiveness & justification to all men by grace through faith alone.
If you can lose your salvation, than Christianity is no different than Islam, Hinduism, or no different than any other works based religion. Very sad that there are so many self righteous false teachers out there.
Just as a good student strives for an A and not a F. So too should Christians everywhere strive for perfection in our faith. Even if we don't achieve it on this side of eternity, we should still strive for it. Philippians 3:13-14 NKJV "Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus."
@@JR-yj8ig Have you never heard of the saying, "Nothing in life is free"?. Salvation comes at a cost to all parties involved. To God: His Son. To Jesus: His Life. To Christians: Our Lifelong Allegiance.
@@EthnosSynergyEnergy What you said is a lie, not based on a single word in the Bible. You made it up. The Bible repeatedly and very clearly states that salvation is the FREE GIFT of God and we can add nothing to it. You don't get saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and then keep yourself saved by how you live. You do not understand even the concept that salvation is all of GRACE. Your lifelong allegiance is not saving you or even helping to save you. No good works or deeds you do will get you one fraction of an inch toward heaven and eternal life. You are living in a works-based salvation just like the men in the above video. If you are a saved man, meaning you have been truly born again by faith in Christ, you are not now keeping yourself in God's favor. It just doesn't work that way.
@@randyd9805 Actually Randy, the Bible says that we must add works to our Faith, in order for that faith it to be valid and active, James 2:20-24 NKJV "But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
@@EthnosSynergyEnergy You are deliberately mishandling the scripture. You already know of the passage in Romans 4 which clearly states that Abraham was justified BEFORE GOD by faith alone. The justification in James is not for salvation from sin's penalty but is CLEARLY about our being justified before MEN, not God, by our good works. Unsaved people can "act good" and do good works and millions of them do, thinking that is enough to get them into heaven. Are you one of them? It sure sounds to me like you are trying to justify YOURSELF before God by your own righteousness, which the Bible repeatedly and very clearly states is not possible. You are only justified before God by your faith in His Son's sacrifice. If you don't believe that or know that, you have never been born again. God will not save a self-righteous person who thinks their good deeds or lawkeeping saves them. Again, do you know that salvation is ONLY by grace through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast? God knows your heart and whether or not you have believed in Jesus Christ ALONE for salvation. Men cannot see your heart, only what you DO in their sight. This is the justification before me in James.
So basically you are calling God a liar when he tells us about the great falling away in the end times. Foolishness might just apply to you. Faith alone is nowhere to be found in scriptures. Only once in james 2:24 and not in your favor.
For many years, I believed in the once saved always saved, and because of that I never feared the Lord which is why I didn't have the wisdom to understand the truth of His word.
The problem with those who believe we can lose our salvation is that they actually believe that eternal security/OSAS is believed by people who only want a license to sin. Maybe not all of them believe that, but this is a very common accusation we hear constantly.
They addressed the early church fathers to provide the origins of once saved always saved. It was explained very well. They provided SOOOOO many scriptures to support their claim, way more than I was aware of prior to watching this documentary.
@darlae88 Well it was dishonest of them. First of all I'll be honest I'm not 100% sure I'm right about OSAS being true but based off my understanding of scripture to this point the evidence does seem in favor of OSAS being true. I highly recommend you watch Bibleline's 4 part reaction to this documentary where he points out the glaring problems with this documentary. These guys made a lot of strawman arguments time and time again. Now let me give you scriptures for the contrary to support OSAS John 3:16, John 6:37, John 10:27-28, 1 John 2:19, Matthew 7:23 (why did he say "I never knew you" rather than something like "I don't know you anymore"), Hebrews 10:10, Ephesians 1:13 (that's just some of them) Think about this too... Hebrews 6:4-6 is often used against OSAS but think about it... if what it says is interpreted the way people who believe you can lose your salvation interpret it you would have to say that once someone loses their salvation they can't get it back... I don't think people believe that so it doesnt really make sense.
@@darlae88 I want you to understand however that I'm not in support of the idea of doing whatever you want after being saved, we need to trust Jesus however the question really is whether or not the holy spirit will make sure we remain in belief or not it seems to me that the holy spirit will make sure we continue to believe and cause us to live out our faith. Not to say we won't make mistakes and stumble along the way but overall we do remain in the faith once we believe is what the scripture appears to teach based off everything I just said. God bless
They start with a quick primer on church history to show where this error came from. It makes perfect sense to set the stage then build to the strongest arguments... Which are the scriptures. It's well over an hour long of scriptures and it's not even the full list.
@sqwearl1392 I felt like there was a lot of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty by these guys throughout the entire documentary. Some people in support of OSAS could easily do the same thing arguing that OSAS is true with scriptural support
I believe in "You thought you were saved, and you were never saved." OSAS is not a thing. I've never heard any true holy Spirit filled brother say or Believe "I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT AND SIN ALL I WANT, AND STILL BE SAVED" It seems very strawman-ish. Only by repentance of your sin , faith in Jesus Christ, Jesus's deposit of the power of the Holy Spirit can man be saved and only by the power of the Holy Spirit are you kept saved. He cleanses you, convicts you of sin, adds things to your life, takes things away. He is the barometer and the deposit from heaven that is evidence of your salvation, your name now being in the lambs book of life. He is the focus. Not a quote used by unsaved people, then used in a general sense to describe everyone that believes Christ is mighty and strong to fulfill the work He began in you and keep you.
All I can say is if you ever sin again and lose your salvation you can never get it back so you better never sin again. According to some of these jokers. Why did Christ die for your sins?
Show us the verses where it says that if you commit one sin again, that you lose your salvation, and then we will look at it thus. But according to the Bible, living in sin, affects the heart and mind, believer or nonbeliever alike, and the result is a harder heart, believer or nonbeliever. It is cause and effect. No where do we teach a sinless life, because that is against what first John teaches. But does your religious teaching include, that to willfully sin, will make you more blind to spiritual things?
@@eternalinsecurity sure, that would be James 2:10 KJV FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. GAL 5:4 KJV CHRIST IS BECOME OF NO EFFECT UNTO YOU, WHOSOEVER OF YOU ARE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE. HEB 6: 4-6 KJV FOR IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THOSE WHO WERE ONCE ENLIGHTENED, AND HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND HAVE TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD, AND THE POWERS OF THE WORLD TO COME, IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE; SEEING THEY CRUCIFY TO THEMSELVES THE SON OF GOD AFRESH, AND PUT HIM TO AN OPEN SHAME.
@@eternalinsecurity so looks like to me that if you're going to live by the law you'd better be keeping the whole law because GRACE no longer applies. ROM 11:6 We can not bundle law, works and grace in the same package because the blood of Jesus separated salvation from the law and works. Salvation is by grace through faith. EPH 2:8-9 KJV and once received we are sealed by GOD. EPH 1:13-14 KJV. So that if God should ever break that seal that He alone can break, then there is no coming back to repentance. So in keeping the law you must keep the whole law. But if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. Pretty sure God knew all your sin past, present and future before He saved you as He has foreknowledge in all things and knew you before you were conceived and has numbered the hairs of your head. Matt 10:29-31. KJV JER 1:5 KJV.
Yeah Arminians have a hard time accepting the reality that they in it of themselves cannot save themselves. If you need to hold onto your salvation to be saved then you’re prideful in thinking you can do it . Also think of this a bad tree does not produce good fruit .
This is what we call straw man created by decievers in order to misrepresent your opposing view and make them look bad,Hebrews 3 is clear sin leads to unbelief and unbelief is what leads to falling away,faith connects you to God so if there is no more faith=unbelief then you are no longer in christ, If you continue in sin it will lead to an appetite to love sin and hate God no man can serve 2 masters and you will choose to not believe anymore and fall away
The sad truth is, Christ has saved them completely & sealed them w the spirit , and instead of enjoying it , they’re convinced they gotta help Jesus get them to finish line?
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED??? All this debate over OSAS would be done away if we would accept the biblical teaching on salvation. No one alive and breathing in their natural body is saved. We have the hope of salvation. We have the hope of eternal life. The seed of life is placed in us at the moment we come to faith in Christ. That seed is called: The earnest of our inheritance The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus The promise of the Father The anointing The Comforter The Spirit of Truth. All we have now is the hope of salvation. We cannot lose our salvation because we don't have it. We have the earnest(down payment or guarantee) but we've not been to the closing table. We're saved by grace through FAITH. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for. We are saved by HOPE: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet HOPE for? But if we HOPE for that we see not, then do we with patience, WAIT for it(salvation). Being NOW justified by his blood, we SHALL(future) be saved from wrath through him. ...BEING reconciled, we SHALL be saved by his life. But let us who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of FAITH and love and for an helmet, the HOPE of salvation. And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation NEARER than when we first believed. And unto them that look for him SHALL he appear the second time without sin UNTO salvation. Who are kept by the power of God THROUGH faith UNTO salvation ready TO BE revealed in the last time. Receiving the END of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. We are saved by GRACE through faith. Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE to the end for the GRACE that is TO BE BROUGHT UNTO you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. ...that the spirit MAY be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Brethren, the scriptures are clear, he which hath BEGUN a good work in us will perform it UNTIL the day Jesus Christ. We are saved by grace THROUGH faith and we will be presented holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF we CONTINUE in the FAITH and be not moved away from the HOPE of the gospel. Brethren, our salvation is future. He has begun the work but it's not complete or finished. He will perform that work in us only if we CONTINUE in the faith, which, is to continue in his word. Our Lord said to those that believed on him: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth SHALL(future) make you free." It is appointed unto man once to die, but AFTER this the JUDGEMENT. We must all appear before the JUDGEMENT seat of Christ. Our eternity is established(settled or finalized)at JUDGEMENT . Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the FOUNDATION of…eternal JUDGEMENT. We are for once and always saved when we stand before the JUDGEMENT seat of Christ. Keep the faith Brethren, Shane Shaddix groundoftruth.org “But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall STAND when he APPEARETH?”
The reason why you believe what you believe is because of penal substitute theory of the atonement! You believe Jesus paid all your past, present, future sins, when no where in the bible it says that! Bible says your past sins are forgiven! Romans 3:25. And also nowhere in the bible says "trust in the finish works of the cross to be saved" nor jesus already paid our future sins! These are just all empty words based upon their false understanding when the bible never says that! Thats why bible says: in Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things Gods wrath comes upon th sons of DISOBEDIENCE.
@@RedemptionRed I don’t believe in penal substitution, in Hebrews it says Christ entered in 1 time for all time and that we have been perfectly forgiven forever. When it comes to me, I didn’t show up on the scene til 2000 years after Jesus so it was all in the future anyway. Believing it’s only when you believe is to put forgiveness on your shoulders, as if you decide when you’re forgiven.. ultimately to make you feel better when you sin… but the truth is Christ decided on your behalf long ago… forgiven forever… “anyone who believes will never be judged..” never means never.
@@Gracethroughfaith-js8mp Why don’t you address the verse instead of attacking my name, or is it because you’re unable to refute the clear and explicit scripture?
@@catholictruth102 When spiritual gifts are self-centred or are used self-righteously for self-gratification, self-exultation, self-interest, or self-seeking, God is not glorified and the gift is rendered invalid. If the gift of prophecy, faith, knowledge, or understanding is not ministered in love within the body it means nothing. That verse has nothing to do with salvation. This is what Paul said and I leave it at that Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
No Christian is sinless, and no Christian will ever be sinless while alive on earth, for we are all in a sin-nature body that is fallen from perfection and has at its foundation sin. So you are not saved because you stop sinning, or because you live a certain way, but rather because the blood of Jesus washes away all your sins-this is the only reason you are saved! And it is once saved always saved! For your actions cannot grant you eternal life!
This is why I put more stock in and enjoy listening to non-western i-e american Christians about their walk with God. They live peaceful and sincere lives with Christ and fellow believers the way it was meant to be. Western Christians are constantly preaching fear & doubt, thus causing believers to live in a state of paranioa and doubt about their spritual standing & life .
Christians losing salvation that's Arminianism theology unfortunately lots of Christians believe you can lose your salvation and personally I believe it's because many either were never taught Dispensation Theology or have heard it and for some reason still doesn't accept this topic of the Bible I believe The Church Age is a unique Dispensation period in our History of Mankind in that we are saved by Faith Alone by the Grace of God and always Eternally Saved but that any other Dispensation time of History believers in God could lose their salvation including the Old Testament and after the Church Age!!!!
Let's just remember something in I think 1 Corinthians Apostle Paul comes right out with the hypothetical issue well now that I have liberty in Christ can we just continue in sin all the more that grace may abound all the more??? "God Forbid" (KJV) so Paul makes it clear that our Eternal Security is NO LICENSE TO CONTINUOUSLY SIN 😮
@@billyrobinson6803 Well, he said that because we aren't justified by keeping the law perfectly (because we can't) and some back then taught (erroneously) that sin was irrelevant and inconsequential because of that. I don't believe in eternal security as far as someone DELIBERATELY choosing to become an apostate.
You must be Born Again. When you are Born Again, the holy Spirit of God produces godly living in us. Human effort to do and be good always falls short. Only Christ in us, the hope of glory. If you do not have God living inside of you, then you cannot live holy. We do not act good to get to heaven. We act godly because we are going to heaven. It's a huge difference. It's God in us, causing us to walk in His ways!
>>>and this is the best evidence that we are saved forever. Salvation, once gained through faith, by grace, cannot be lost. It does not mean that we are sinless, nor does it mean that we remain as we were before conversion. The Holy Spirit is the part of us that is holy
Every day when I spend time in the Word I look for scriptures that can be considered in this discussion on one side or the other. This documentary is the BEST discussion I have ever seen on this subject!
”When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us ALL our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.“ Colossians 2:13-14 NASB1995
The KJV is a better Bible! No Christian is sinless, and no Christian will ever be sinless while alive on earth, for we are all in a sin-nature body that is fallen from perfection and has at its foundation sin. So you are not saved because you stop sinning, or because you live a certain way, but rather because the blood of Jesus washes away all your sins-this is the only reason you are saved! And it is once saved always saved! For your actions cannot grant you eternal life!
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
@@catholictruth102 All Christians are sinners and all Christians sin daily, including you and you will sin until the day you die: “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
@@AgeOfNefarious_Deception I can't read what I previously wrote, so by your statement I cannot respond, because I don't know what I am responding to. If you can clarify I will respond. Thank you.
The Bible says that Believers are given eternal life (present tense), not that we are given eternal life in the future if we do good works. This is a blasphemous documentary advocating for works salvation. “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.” 1 John 5:10-11
Psalm 119:160 "The sum of your word is truth", not single verses taken out of context and treated as some sort of summary of the bible when they are not. They are merely part of the whole. In later verses Jesus goes on to say that those who believe in him will follow and obey him. True faith produces fruit in one's life and if you truly believe in him you will obey. Jesus said "why do you call me lord and dont do the things which i tell you". James 1:22 Be doers of the word, not hearers only deceiving yourselves.
@@sebastianwehler3218 Youve only quoted verses that encourage people to do good works. The Bible does command people to do good works but that is not what saves someone. The Bible teaches that the one who doesn’t work but believes will be saved: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
@@Hanshotfirst6688 Friend, when the bible says "it is not of works" it is refering to self righteous ego works. Obedience is a totally different catagory. Jesus said "why do you call me Lord and dont do the things which i tell you". James 1:22 "Be doers of the word, not hearers only deceiving yourselves". Nobody is saying works will save you. Obedience and repentance is key.
Sadly wrong. 26 seconds in is the first misrepresentation of what those who believe OSAS actually believe and say. "It doesn't really matter how you live after you're saved ..." Once you start lying about what your opponents believe you've lost your audience. It matters strongly how you live after you're saved - read Romans 6. But you don't lose your salvation - 'cos that rests on what Christ has done, not on what we do. I needed salvation because I'm a sinner. Christ died for me because I'm a sinner. Now you think Christ will throw me away because I'm a sinner?
So the context here is that our sin is covered by the blood of the lamb as long as we repent which means doing a 180 deg, turning from a life filled with sin and walking on that narrow path. If we as a believers claim we are saved by the blood of Messiah but then continue to choose sin when we know it is wrong that's when we can be cut off. Rom 11:22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. His ways are higher than our ways. Praise the most High. Shalom
Would love a look behind the curtain on why only one point of view was presented by advocates. For example, why was Calvinism presented by detracting proxies and not Calvinists? What constraints existed while making the video that prohibited the other point of view from presenting their questions/concerns with the primary theme of the video? Chris White mentioned on his podcast this took full time 9+ months of work and represented his best work to date. It really is impressive, but the one-sidedness will likely keep it from reaching White's desire to see it considered the final/comprehensive treatment of the subject.
I thought the exact same thing - a decidedly one-sided argument. I would have loved to seen an intelligent debate on both sides. Instead we were treated to a very dismissive attitude toward OSAS. No respect given to a reasonable theological belief. Why not include learned representatives from the other point of view? What are they afraid of?
@@timothyowen4503 Then I shouldn't have used the word "debate." My point is it would have been a more impressive "presentation" to hear a carefully articulated alternative point of view, and that such views would not be casually dismissed as if they were without merit and unworthy of discussion, as they were in this video.
0:06 "The major evangelical voices are saying, you're saved by grace alone. It doesn't really matter how you live after you're saved. You're saved." What "major evangelical voices" are these? I've been a Christian 35+ years. I've never heard any reputable Bible teacher teaching such a thing.
Any Calvinist will do. So John MacArthur, John Piper, Paul Washer, RC Sproul, etc. An intellectually smart Calvinist will dress it up all nice and purdy but OSAS is literally the 'I' and the 'P' in tulip.
@@theTavis01 That's quite a lot of accusations. I've listened to most of these men for years. Paul Washer is the one I've listened to the least. I've never heard them say anything along these lines. If anything, I've heard them always stress the importance of holiness. Provide the evidence for any of these men ever teaching the idea that, "It doesn't really matter how you live after you're saved. You're saved." Understand that making such accusations is a serious matter before Jesus Christ. Provide the evidence for these very serious accusations. Thank you.
After watching this, it appears that the people in this documentary don't really understand OSAS. Those that have been saved WILL endure until the end, but, salvation is not preserved by our good works, but by our faith in Christ, the same faith that saved us keeps us. Our eternal security does not give us the license to sin freely, but, when we do sin, we have an advocate who has died for our sins. We were saved, are being saved, and will be saved from eternal punishment.
Excellent! Amen!! And to those who disagree I commend the quote at 19:25 "look at what the text says, quit trying to explain it away in view of a theology you want to uphold, uphold the Word of God and change your theology." Conditional security is supported by direct teaching in numerous books, by every NT author, by parables (eg the sower) and biblical examples (eg. Saul). It is a teaching in both the OT and the NT.
Saul did NOT lose his salvation because in 1st Samuel 28:19, Samuel is clear that the next day, Saul and his sons would be with HIM. Saul still had faith as verse 6 shows him praying to God but God ignores him. Conditional security? Salvation is conditional upon what? A gift that is conditional upon me keeping the commandments isn't a gift. A gift = receive it. NO conditions attached other than receive. A privilege = earn the right to obtain it AND keep it. Conditional upon YOUR efforts.
Excellent work. Largely fair to the opposing view and well thought out. In a few places they oversimplify and seem to be primarily reacting to antinomian beliefs when Romans 7, in particular, can and is interpreted as a struggle we face but does not have to be construed as “normal” as in “acceptable.” Rather it can be acknowledged as part of the sanctification journey that should become less and less as we allow the love and power of the Holy Spirit to transform us. In the end, I wholeheartedly agree with their goal of pursuing holiness and obedience-oriented following of Jesus. On the primary theological question they are addressing, I think the most profound Biblical argument is if God created us with Freewill, as evidenced in Genesis 1, then why would He take away Freewill? Really appreciate the thoughtful work they put into this. Well done!
I believe anyone can back slide , I feel we all are saved In Our Holy Spirit allowing us to feel our lord almighty if that is what we believe in , with so many denomination and different beliefs our Bible is our spoken words to be obeyed we should read it and give glory in our lord Jesus. Christ holy words .
@JoshuaGipson96 “I will give to each of you according to your works ... Blessed are those who DO His commandments" (Rev. 2:23; 22:14). "Faith apart from works is dead" (James 2:26). "Whoever says 'I know Him' but does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps His word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in Him: whoever says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way in which He walked.. Everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him" (1 John 2:4-6,29). "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him DOES NOT SIN. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. (1 John 3:4-6). Obeying Christ is not earning your salvation (which was free) it is committing to a life of faith and obedience in Christ.
@@catholictruth102 Stop quoting scripture, you have no understanding of it being a catholic. The mystery of God and God works in mysterious ways is a catholics concept but God reveals the truth to us who are saved and who seek Him and His Kingdom. There are no mysteries or hidden truths with God. 33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." MATTHEW 6:33
@@catholictruth102 Yeah, I don't see many people understand this. It means to reject Jesus Christ (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit/unforgivable/unpardonable sin) once you have been truly saved and given the gift of the Holy Spirit. You are then cut off from the olive tree and bundle up for the fire. This is how my theology and understanding differ from the OSAS theology in this documentary.
There is a massive misunderstanding of the text by these guys. I was watching this objectively, but I'm noticing so many problems with their arguments. It really does seem like they're twisting scripture to say what they want it to. It's a shame.
@@TheNationOfTexas You are right. The one problem I see with people who oppose OSAS is their negligence of interpreting scripture contextually. They just pick out a verse, misinterpret it and go to town yelling, “you see, you see”!
@@blessed4019 Another problem I'm noticing here is that they try to make it sound like if you believe OSAS then you automatically view it as a license to sin with impunity. That's just ridiculous. I know I'm saved and I've never thought that. I'm not all the way through it yet, but I think I'm going to drop it. This seems pretty disingenuous.
@@TheNationOfTexas You both are real Blessings! I get that ALL the time of how I love to remain in my sins. They have no clue how I hate my sins, that I cannot wait for our Father to take us home. Being saved, I have yet to hear my pastor preach on, go sin as you like, you will always be saved.
Warnings Against Falling Away Hebrews 6:4-6 "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt." Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries." 2 Peter 2:20-22 "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them." 1 Corinthians 9:27 "But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified." (Paul warns that even he could be disqualified if he doesn't maintain discipline.) 1 Corinthians 10:12 "Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall." Verses on Continuing in Faith John 15:5-6 "I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned." (Jesus teaches the need to remain in Him or face destruction.) Romans 11:22 "Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you too will be cut off." (Paul teaches that remaining in God's kindness is conditional.) Colossians 1:21-23 "And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard." (Salvation is conditional on continuing in the faith.) Hebrews 3:12-14 "Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called 'today,' that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end." Obeying Jesus' Commands Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" (Even those who believe they are saved can be rejected if they do not obey God's will.) John 8:31 "So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, 'If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples.'" Possibility of Shipwrecking Faith 1 Timothy 1:18-20 "This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme." 1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons." 2 Timothy 2:12 "If we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us." (Endurance is necessary to reign with Christ; denial leads to rejection.) Galatians 5:4 "You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace." (Paul speaks of those who had fallen away from grace by trying to be justified through the law.) Falling Away from Grace Revelation 3:5 "The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels." (The implication here is that names can be blotted out of the book of life.) Revelation 2:5 "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent." (Jesus warns a church to repent or lose their place.) Matthew 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end will be saved." Personal Responsibility and Final Judgment Ezekiel 18:24 "But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die." Philippians 2:12 "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Paul encourages believers to take their salvation seriously, implying it is not a guaranteed, automatic process.) These verses collectively show that salvation is conditional upon ongoing faith, obedience, and perseverance in Christ. They suggest that it is possible to fall away from grace or to be disqualified from salvation if one does not continue in faith or rejects Christ late
🕊️The following is the truth many refuse to accept: Jesus⬇️ 🕊️”Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matthew 25:34-46 The Apostles⬇️ 🕊️“If the dough offered as first fruits is holy, so is the whole batch; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you. You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.” Romans 11:16-21 Was Jesus along with the Apostles lying❓Its a simple yes or no answer❗️ 🕊️”Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from the Evil One.” Matthew 5:37
@@catholictruth102 Luke 8:13 talks about those who fall away(apostates) during tests, trials and temptations. As long as your foundation is GENUINELY and FIRMLY rooted in Christ Jesus alone, you will endure in patience and it’s a lifelong response to the Word of God. Yes We’re called to bear fruit, but works and individual self-righteousness CANNOT save you or me. Only believing in Christ’s finished work on the cross will. I hope that explains the Context of that verse
@@eddw3 They received the gospel with joy and believed, according to the scripture. Meaning if belief alone saves, they were saved. Yet the verse says they fell away, clearly signifying that they lost their salvation.
Continue on to verse 10. Dont just stop at verse 9. “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2:10 Why have we been given the new heart, new desires and new mind? So that we may “WALK” in them. We’ve been created in Jesus for good works! We are His workmanship. That’s what the power of the Holy Spirit is for to help us all for God to be glorified.
If OSAS isn't true( which it is) then we have to get rid of a whole lot of scriptures!!!! John 5:24 John 6:47 John 6:40 John 10:27-29 John 11:25-26 Romans 10:9 Romans 10:13 Ephesians 1:13,14 Ephesians 4:30 Philippians 1:6 2 Timothy 1:9-12 1 John 5:13 And I know there's many more... This movie is heretical even among those who call themselves theologians and scholars... Smh....
nope. you just need to harmonize them with the Scripture on the other side which is false if OSAS is true. The harmony is the simple Truth that while Christ alone merits salvation, we can forfeit it ourselves through deliberate, continual, apathetic disobedience. 1 John 1:5-9 and many places summarize that perfectly.
@@stevebegin2489 Do you realize that obedience to Christ is believing and having faith in Him? The Greek word is Pisteuio and means that.... And if no man can pluck you out of the Father's hand...then how can you yourself walk away? Nope, not gonna happen if you're one of His!
Read Bible within context of Bible itself….. No any good teacher is better than God's words. No matter how many people think they possess the truth. Bible is the only authority. Some examples of my understanding: 15’17” What “disqualified” for? A runner can be disqualified in a race, but that doesn’t cancel the runner identity. The context of 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul was talking about was the prize/reward of good works of Christians as the result of possessing the true faith, not the GIFT of God. 15’52” A logical conflict of the disapproval in the earlier video about questioning whether one really has faith or not. 17’22‘’ Roman 11 discussed a huge deal about God's Grace and Election. The context of the specific verse (picked up in the video) 11:22 was referring to the "unbelief". In general, my observation is that it’s a misunderstanding about Calvinism. Calvinism never stated anywhere that true faith can be without any changes in a personal life or fruits of faith. Meanwhile, if we are able to work our way out to obtain and possess faith, I wonder what Jesus has accomplished? A lot of statements in this documentary are debatable and worth investigation and looking into.
You can fall from grace and there is no work to keep your salvation,simply if you have faith you you stay saved if you unbeliever your no longer saved,Hebrews warns us in chapter 3 "be careful BRETHEREN their not be in any one of you and evil unbelieving heart that departs from the living God but encourage each other daily so that none of your hearts are hardened by the deceitfulness of sin" if you continue to fall into sin and practice it you will soon gain an attraction which will lead you to unbelief,and where their is no belief their is no salvation. Stop following into these Greek philosophical talking point catch phrases that have not biblical backing Godbless
The Grace of Jesus that has appeared unto us helps live a holy life. Thus, we dont have to debate about sinful living after salvation again, because the dominion over nature of sin has already been given.
I have a family member, she was a worship leader at my church for years. NOW she is "married" to another woman. IN THE END she made her choice. Hope she truly repents, before its too late.
Being a worship leader doesn't save. Many churches don't even preach the Gospel. Your family member probably didn't believe on Christ alone for salvation. What did she believe? Faith alone? Salvation isn't something we can lose through violating the 10 Commandments. Otherwise, it is a reward. The works of the Law = keeping the Law You don't believe in faith alone. Faith alone means believe and be done. Works salvation means earning your way by keeping the 10 commandments and other rules all your life. This is a salvation that man CAN lose because man EARNS it. Not hard to understand.
@@maplemusic8851 I think she fits the word apostasy. Mathew 24:10-13 says that many will turn away from the faith.... So much for once saved always saved. Without obedience there is no salvation. ONLY the ones that finish the race in holyness will recibe the prize. AT LEAST THATS WHAT 1. CORINTHIANS 9:34-25 SAYS. "DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT IN A RACE ALL RUNNERS RUN, BUT ONLY ONE GETS THE PRIZE? RUN IN SUCH A WAY AS TO GET THE PRIZE. It talks about getting a crown 👑. Ten Paul says : " so that after I have preached to others , I my self will not be disqualified for the prize.
@@ChileanNews The Apostle Paul was talking about a PRIZE. Do you consider salvation to be a prize? True, the prize is only reserved for those who live faithfully to the end. But 1st Corinthians 9:24-27 is NOT talking about salvation/Heaven. Do you consider Heaven to be a prize? Because the Bible calls Heaven a free gift (Romans 5:15-20 and Ephesians 2:8-9). A free gift is received the moment you take it. It is NOT something you require someone to work for. If I require you to work for me for 50 years to receive salvation There are rewards for believers who live faithfully. As for Matthew 24, read until verses 21-22 and you will see it is talking about PHYSICAL SALVATION (or surviving) the 7-year Tribulation, not salvation of the soul.
Thanks to these people for putting this video together. What a great informative lesson on salvation. I pray this meets everyone out there that needs to hear this message 🙏. May God bless you
It’s a colder gospel. It’s a counterfeit gospel. That’s not the gospel at all Pastor Joe Shimbo has told me that and that’s why I believe not in the counterfeit. Once once saved always saved is the biggest the biggest fallacy in the so-called word of God I stand on the authorized king James version of the Bible, not the modern Bible of the new age, Bibles is false and our liars like Tony, who loves John MacArthur and he doesn’t understand brother at all I understand brother Joshua Chavez
@lune7pi how certain are you that it was NOT the Spirit of God that convicted the prodigal son of his sin & lead him to righteousness by bringing him back to his father?
I was baptized and raised Southern Baptist. I was a member of UMC congregations from 1981 to 2024 when our church voted to leave the UMC and become a congregation inside of the GMC. I have never heard any sermon from a born-again individual - live or on RUclips - with the thesis put forth by this video, that the idea of 'once saved always saved' gives someone the license to sin anyway desired without consequence - never. If someone can point to an example - please do - I promise you it will not have been delivered by a born-again believer. And if anyone hears a sermon putting forth this position and thinks, "Good, I'm free to live any way I want, because I'm good to go!", I promise you that individual has not experienced the justification of the Living God. You can't experience Him and still think that way.
Hi Rick, I was raised Baptist and I never heard any advocate of eternal security teach that we have a license to sin. They all have ways of being able to explain their doctrine in such a way that at least attempts to nullify the end result of a sin license. The potential for living their life in a way that demonstrates that deep down inside they believe they have a license to sin still remains. Arminians are quick to just assume that if you believe in eternal security you also believe in a sin license. On the other hand the advocates of once saved always saved are quick to assume that if you deny eternal security then you therefore believe in a part grace and part works salvation. Get saved by grace and stay saved by your works and not sinning. Yes the potential for believing this way does exist amongst arminians but not all arminians fall into that ditch. When it comes to the question of how salvation is forfeit not all arminians give the same answer. When you stand at the judgement you will not be able to pat yourself on the back and give credit to yourself for staying saved by avoiding sin or doing good works. If your salvation can be forfeit then the forfeiture has nothing to do with your sinning or not sinning and everything to do with your faith which is what gets you counted as righteous in the first place. When a faith is genuine it will impact how one lives their life. When a genuine faith is gone the lack of that genuine faith will also impact how one lives their life. Both sides need to be careful about the conclusions they draw when evaluating the opposing view and not be so quick to just assume.
This was a huge miss to warn about OSAS heresy, which is real. But with the filmmakers attempting to couple it exclusively to Calvinism denominations does not help their cause! My Calvinist church preaches that you can fall away from the faith lol. I’ve been arguing against OSAS on X for over a year, and the OSAS advocates are not Calvinists. Huge miss.
Not a single verse in scripture say one can lose salvation. It's just not there. Everything they're saying requires them to pervert scripture to insert their Loss of Salvation Theology (LOST).
*Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
@Bob.55 *Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
@@jmb2202 Scripture testifies the truth, hope you see it. God bless! *1 John 3:10* “By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.”
No Christian is sinless, and no Christian will ever be sinless while alive on earth, for we are all in a sin-nature body that is fallen from perfection and has at its foundation sin. So you are not saved because you stop sinning, or because you live a certain way, but rather because the blood of Jesus washes away all your sins-this is the only reason you are saved! And it is once saved always saved! For your actions cannot grant you eternal life!
This film is 100% free. You can download it using the links in the description, and show it at your church, upload it to various platforms, make edits, or anything else.
A very poor representation of OSAS. Many of these men made claims that OSAS supports the idea "You don't have to live holy lives". The Bible clearly teaches we have to live holy lives. The distinction is simply made in scripture between salvation and service. Jesus commands us to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. That is the standard. Salvation is free through the grace of God through the only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Discipleship is costly and requires service, sacrifice and taking up your cross. Jesus is the only one who's righteousness is enough. The question is does God abandon you to hell when you sin after being saved by His grace? Is the individual saved actually sealed by the Holy Spirit? Are they actually a purchased possession bought with a price? Equating the P of TULIP to OSAS is also a misrepresentation.
These men add in their righteousness to their salvation. The ultimately take the gospel and force people to look back on their own works for justification. One sin is a transgression of the whole law. If false teachings were creeping in as early as Paul (Galatians 1:6), don't appeal to "church fathers", appeal to scripture.
John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24)
John 11:25-26 - "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?" (John 11:25-26)
John 6:47 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes in me has everlasting life." (John 6:47)
Acts 16:31 - "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your household." (Acts 16:31)
1 John 3:23 - "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23)
John 8:24 - "I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins." (John 8:24)
John 6:29 - "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent." (John 6:29)
1 Corinthians 1:21 - "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
1 John 5:1 - "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loves him that begot loves him also that is begotten of him."
John 3:15 - "That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3:36 - "He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him."
Romans 10:9 - "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved."
Romans 10:10 - "For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Mark 16:16 - "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned."
Acts 10:43 - "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whoever believes in him shall receive remission of sins."
1 John 5:5 - "Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"
Romans 4:5 - "But to him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Romans 1:16 - "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
John 14:12-14 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."
1 John 5:10-13
John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Romans 1:16
1 John 5:13 - "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God."
Romans 11:23 - "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again."
Great video!!🎉
Thank you!!
Thank you!!!
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Those who remain faithful to the END will be saved.
So u believe you have to HELP Jesus Christ Who do you think HE is going to say to DEPART FROM HIM WORKERS LIKE YOUR SELF? Or Belivers like me and others that trust just thatJesus Christ died on the CROSS for all sinners and trust HIM ONLY ?
This is why I always study the word in the original language; “salvation” typically refers to being saved, however like many Hebrew words, salvation has two different meanings, and one of them is a Kingdom victory, which is the original meaning and intent in this passage rather then salvation in “being saved”;
@@Upperroad4480 those that remain till the end are the truly saved by their soul being helded in the hands of Christ not works .salvation has got nothing to do with a person working as a Christians, but being a Christian will produce the will and the works Christ puts in that person heart .being saved doesn't mean a person says lord I'm going to walk on water for u, it means that ur faith is in christ to fulfill his will in u. AMEN
Uh no. Faithfulness for rewards yes. Not for salvation.
@@blessisrael6455 salvation means by God's mercy and the saving Grace of our Lord AND Savior Jesus Christ that u have been Forgiven for ur sins and have excape ed God's Judgement.and the promise that our name is written in the Lambs Book Of Life, that he is our Sheppard that helps us walk each day in his Grace Growing ING In his Grace .the one that is Faithful which is Jesus Christ is the one Guardes our hearts and ur Sour in his hands in which no one , not even our urself can lose that salvation Amen .it's God's perfect will and perfect deliverance from sin. Amen
'I do not run aimlessly, nor do I box by beating the air with my fists. But I discipline my body harshly, and bring it into subjection; for I fear lest, after preaching to others, I myself should be cast away' (1 Cor. 9:26-27).
"I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means*, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." Paul is eternally saved, speaking to eternally saved brethren. He was very careful during his ministry, including working wherever he lodged, so as not to be seen by men as insincere, even though God allowed him to be supported, he insisted to do it himself. In this passage he is also pointing out that he fights the sin inside himself so to be seen by men as worthy, and not a hypocrite counterfeit while preaching the saving grace Gospel of the Lord God Jesus Christ. He is not talking about being castaway from God. Context matters.
@vickyannpaintingwithoils Paul talks about not running aimlessly and disciplining his body. The context is that he could be disqualified from the race even though he was a person preaching the gospel. After that example, in chapter 10, Paul uses the Israelites as examples of them falling away. Under the Old Covenant, the people could fall away, it's the same under the New Covenant. That's his whole point. That's why he is warning them about idolatry in chapters 8 - 10.
@@vickyannpaintingwithoilsThis is a major stretch.
@@vickyannpaintingwithoils *Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
What butchered Bible version is this?
the amount of mental gymnastics these people use to justify works based salvation..
You are saved by your faith only! No matter how many works you do, you can't save yourself.
Just a quick and respectful correction. We should write saved "through faith," not 'by faith." The latter "by faith" implies faith has power to save. We're justified by faith, and saved by God's grace through faith.
Not by faith alone (James 2:24).
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James 2:
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
This is talking about justification among men. Since we are Christians, we are called to do works for the will of God. That does not affect out eternal salvation as you can see in verse 23.
@@shashamylife What? Did you even read the very own verses you’ve pasted? It’s speaking of Abraham being seen as righteous before God, not before man. Then James 2:24 comes immediately after. The immediate context is justification before God.
@@catholictruth102 Yes he is righteous before God because of his faith in God. He is justified before men, by his works.
The whole context of James chapter 2 is for Christians to live Christian lives.
Phil 1:6 God doesnt start something, he can't finish...
But He never takes away your free will so if you choose to disconnect from the Vine, you can.
That's not what the verse says. Further, he warns the Galatians of this very danger of not finishing well.
Galatians 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Philippians 3 For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him...12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own... 16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained...18 For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ.
No but you can by an act of free will plus the deceitfulness of sin and pride.
Phil 1:6 is not unconditional. The condition of Phil 1:6 is Phil 1:5, fellowship in the gospel.
Correct, He, start to finish laid out a path for us to walk, called salvation. The path is complete, and now we must follow it.
There is an inescapable conclusion from this film that there are simply those who are capable of continuing to believe and those who just can't quite get it together. How in the world does that not become salvation by merit?
Because it's by Faith not merit.
Jesus says in Rev "Will I find Faith on the earth when I return?"
@@Misskitty15 Define "Faith", please.
In addition, explain the "it" in "it's by Faith".
@@EricaCampbell-iv5jj "Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:1
For examples of faith read the whole chapter.
In other words, faith is believing what you can't see because you believe in the One who promised.
Which is not of yourselves... Ephesians 2:8.
We can't WILL ourselves to have more faith. God works in us to give us the faith and that is what we respond to for a clean conscience. But the debate of free will and God's sovereignty is definitely a debated subject for a long time. He won't force our will to match His... but he will draw us to it by the Holy Spirit.
I used to get worn out by Arminian (false) doctrine. It’s not worth my angst anymore. There is a whole book in the NT devoted to them. Galatians. ❤️🙏
Galatians 5:21 “… I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
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Gal 5:24-25: "Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also behave in accordance with the Spirit."
In 1 John it mentions " these things have I written on you that you may know that you have eternal life".. John 6 says he that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out..
@@drjanitor3747how do you stay saved?
@oshea2300 Amen! Eternal security is Biblical and there are many passages that support it.
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we stay saved by the one who saved us very easy to understand unless we deny the blood that Jesus shed at the Cross for the forgiveness of all our sins
@@777atys6 well, you can't forfeit your salvation then.
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NO, we can't forfeit the salvation of the Lord!
A very needed documentary for Christians. An eye opener and sobering. Watched it with my entire family. We were all moved.
I’ll be praying for you and your family to come to the truth of the gospel.
That's very sad because what they are saying is a lie. This "documentary" is full of untrue and misleading information. Please research the many rebuttal videos that have already come out.
@christophe_li It doesn't make sense how you have two groups of christians here, ones who think its okay to sin, and the others who say its not okay to sin...
I guess the answer lies in what Jesus came to do.. To set the captives free. From what exactly? I'll let you take the guess, or will you live in denial.
@99kakaman no. Neither of us think it’s ok to sin. One of us thinks that salvation is a gift from God with no strings attached as clearly stated in 👉Romans 6:23 kjv and is only received by believing on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus alone apart from any works or from turning from any sin). (The saving gospel 👉1 Cor 15 1-4 KJV) one of us believes that we are sealed until the day of redemption when we hear, believe, and trust the gospel according to Ephesians 1:13 & 4:30 kjv.
One of us believes that there are carnal Christians who are saved 👉1 Corinthians 3:1-3 kjv.
And one of us knows that ministers of satan will be disguised as people who preach holiness and having good works 👉 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJV
One of us actually takes Jesus’s promise to heart regarding eternal security. 👉
John 11:25-26
King James Version
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall 👉never die👈. Believest thou this?
BEWARE: They have set up this STRAWMAN called OSAS to debunk it and promote this their HERESY.
MATTHEW 7:15
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Eternal Life is a promise given to everyone who put they Trust the Son, so if you can lose that life after 5 or 10 years after getting it, the only conclusion we can come to is that that was not Eternal life because Eternal life will not last and that is the promise for in Christ. If you can lose it that means you didn't possess it either at the first.
WHY DOES THE LORDS PRAYER SAY “And forgive OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US. WHY DOES IT SAY GIVE US OUR DAILY BREAD? OUR DAILY BREAD. WHY ARE THERE PASTORS IN HELL? WHY ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN HELL? PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF. THE RAPTURE IS COMING. JESUS IS COMING. ONE WAY or ANOTHER YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWER SOON. PLEASE FOLLOW JESUS TILL YOUR LAST BREATH. IN HELL. NO LAUGHTER. NO SLEEP. NO WIND. NO AIR. NO SUN. NO FREE WILL. NO PLEASANT SMELLS OF FOOD. HUNGER 24/7. WORMS EATING YOUR DECAYING FLESH. FOUL DEMON ODOR 24/7.NO COMPANIONSHIP. NO COLOR. RAPE OF YOUR SOUL DAY AND NIGHT. HOPELESSNESS. PARANOIA 24/7. NO ENERGY OF ANY KIND INSIDE OF YOU. TIRED 24/7. GNASHING OF TEETH 24/7. NO HOPE OF ESCAPING. FINAL VERDICT. LAKE OF FIRE. THINKING ABOUT YOUR BURNING SOUL ETERNALLY.PLEASE FEAR THE LORD. DONT ABUSE HIS GRACE.❤❤❤❤
I hope this can help you friend at least a little.
““I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.”
John 15:1-8 NKJV
@@GibsonlussierThe one who doesn't abide is the one who was never saved. If you were once saved, you will abide.
You would be disappointed if your child was not growing but he would still be your child.
Question, is it your child? DNA tests proves if a child belongs to the father, living willfully in sin PROVES a child of darkness. No 'born again' follower of Jesus Christ will continue to willfully sin against God....Galatians 5:17-21 tells us EXACTLY what we must turn away from. Paul challenged the Corinthians to test themselves to see if they were REALLY in the faith, 2Corinthians 13:5
@@motivatingu2win incorrect. A child of God is born freely of his grace by the receiving of Christ Jesus as Lord. No works. No boasting.
One of the worse sins you can be found guilty of as a child of God is the sin of self righteousness. The facts are that you sin often and with repetition throughout your very own day. As you mentioned though in Gal 5, believers are not identified by the sins of their flesh as a result of their having been set freely spiritually. This is known as the circumcision made without hands as taught in Colossians 2.
This presentation is works salvation through and through being deceitfully disguised as exhortation/sanctification.
**”Once saved, always saved” refuted**
CAN A CHRISTIAN FALL AWAY?
CHRISTIANS (those truly "saved to begin with") CAN:
1. Depart from the faith (1 Tim. 4:1)
2. Wander away from the faith (1 Tim. 6:10)
3. Swerve from the faith (1 Tim. 6:21)
4. Abandon our faith (1 Tim. 5:12)
5. Make shipwreck of our faith (1 Tim. 1:19)
6. Fall from grace (Gal. 5:4)
7. Desert him who called you and turn to a different gospel (Gal. 1:6)
8. Receive the grace of God in vain (2 Cor. 6:1)
9. Swerve from the truth, upsetting the faith of some (2 Tim. 2:18)
10. Drift away from the truth (Heb. 2:1)
11. Have an evil, unbelieving heart, leading us to fall away from the living God (Heb. 3:12)
12. Be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Heb. 3:12-14)
13. Fail to reach the promise of entering into His rest (Heb. 4:1)
14. Fall by disobedience to enter His rest (Heb. 4:11)
15. Fall away and impossible to restore unto repentance (Heb. 6:4-6)
16. Deliberately go on sinning and no longer have a sacrifice for sins (Heb. 10:26-27)
17. Shrink back (Heb. 10:38)
18. Fail to obtain the grace of God (Heb. 12:15)
19. Wander from the truth (James 5:19-20)
20. Forsake the right way (2 Peter 2:15)
21. Become entangled and overcome AFTER having escaped them (2 Peter 2:20-21)
22. Be carried away with the error of lawless people and lose our stability (2 peter 3:17)
23. Commit a sin leading to death (1 John 5:16)
24. Stop abiding in the teaching of Christ (2 John 1:9)
25. Be taken out of the book of life (Revelation 22:19)
26. Be not forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:14-15)
27. Be thrown in with the unbelievers (Luke 12:46)
28. Perform miracles and still be rejected by Jesus (Matthew 7:21-28)
29. Be condemned for not walking in the Spirit (Romans 8:1/8:13)
30. Be spewed out by Jesus for being lukewarm (Revelation 3:15-17)
@@fordhughes AMEN! AMEN!
@@fordhughesLuke 8:13.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God. We belong to him and he will never leave us or forsake us.
The context of the end of romans 8 was talking about external things not separating us when we go through trial not sin,early in the chapter he shows sin can bring you to death and seperates you,as for never leaving no forsaking us which is quoted from Deuteronomy it is clear he said later in that book if they leave or forsake him he will forsake them. God is willing to always stay in the relationship but if we no longer have faith in our hearts and depart he will not force us to stay,once saved always saved is a lie from Hell clearly not shown in scripture warned against in Jude. Wake up from this terrible doctrine and misuse of scripture and actually watch the documentary, you would never abuse your wife and say "once loved always loved" and expect her to never leave so don't think the same of God
Marriage symbolizes the unity of God - the two become one but are still two. As the Trinity cannot be separated so the bond of a marriage should not be broken as Man bears the Image of God. Maybe this is primarily why God hates divorce. But God allows it, nonetheless.
As one can divorce his/her spouse so a Believer can divorce God. Both are done by an act of free will. Keep vigilant in your love for your spouse and keep vigilant in your love for God. Faith, love, obedience to his will.
Good works are done in love through faith by an act of obedience (free will) for the glory of God and are done for others ("I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was hungry, and you gave me food, naked and you clothed me....").
nope... but you can definitely forsake HIM, become unfruitful in faithlessness [Matt 13:18-23] and be cast off like a withered branch [John 15:1-15], as YOU wander from the narrow way [Matt 7:13-27], and in lacking these things of faithfulness, you become blind, and cannot see afar off, and having forgotten you were purged from your old sins [2Pet1:1-9] you neglect the salvation you received..
Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him?
“Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
IF his Child BELIEVES HIM ONLY,
Eph 1:13-14 “You were SEALED with Holy Spirit of Promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption purchased possession unto the praise of HIS (God’s)Glory!
John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life;and they shall never perish, neither shall ANYMAN pluck them out of my hand.
29-- My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand
ARE YOU A MAN? If you are a man you cannot pluck yourself out of your hand.
Parole def- Early release of a prisoner who is then subject to continued monitoring as well as compliance with certain terms and conditions for a specific period.
Grace plus works= oxymoron
Oxymoron=Two incompatible ideas
John 8:35
A slave does not abide in the house forever, but a Son abides forever.
We are now sons of God-Forever
James 1:16 Every good and perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the father of lights with whom there is no variation nor SHADOW of turning
Rom 11:29 the gifts and Callings of God or without repentance.
John 10:28 I give my sheep ETERNAL life and they shall NEVER perish nor shall they be plucked out of my hand, (29) my Father which gave them to me is greater than all , and NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
1 Peter 1:5 Kept by the power of God unto Salvation. (I am not kept by my works!)
2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also SEALED us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Rom 8:38-39 Nothing can separate us from the LOVE of God
Eph 4:30 SEALED until until the day of REDEMPTION!!
John 14:16 I will give you another Comforter that abides with you FOREVER
John 3:16 given Everlasting life
Heb 13:5 I’ll never leave you or forsake you
2 Tim 2:12 I know whom I have BELIEVED and am PERSUADED that HE (NOT ME!!) is able to keep that which I committed unto him against that day (day of REDEMPTION).
Eph 2:8-9 You are saved by GRACE (and Paul is clear to add “NOT OF WORKS”!!) so no man can boast
What God has joined together let no man
Gen 7:16
“And they that went in (Noah and family), went inmale and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in”
Heb literally imprisoned, secure
Assurance Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,having our hearts sprinkled from an evilconscience, and our bodies washedwith pure water.
Hebrew full confidence
Confidence
Just a few of a mountain of scriptures on the true believers eternal security.
I trust in Christ alone for my salvation , ALL glory to God!!
*Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
@dailylight3652 AMEN!! It's His merit not mine!!
@@catholictruth102 “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
@@donkilluminati123 Now read Romans 8:13.
@@catholictruth102 Romans 8:13 is not a salvation passage, nor is it a you can lose your salvation passage either. Romans 8:14: "For if ye live after the flesh [having sex, being a drunk, living a reckless life, etc.], ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Where does it say you can lose salvation here?
So glad you had bro Leonard Ravenhill. What a powerful preacher he was.
Great preacher of a works based fear centred truth denying different gospel
@@RedeemedWeemucks Unlike a systematic born of manicheanism right?!?! not known before Augustine...
Thank GOD, and thank you dear brothers and sisters of this holy production. 🕊️🔥 HE certainly used you all for the good of HIS Kingdom. 🙌🏽❤️
1 Timothy 4:1 KJV - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
@@donkilluminati123 1 John 1:7 deals with that, " If we walk in the light as he is in the light the blood of Christ cleanses us from all our sins..." but those who believe in OSAS do not believe you have to walk in the light, you can walk in darkness and still be saved. It also tells in 1 John 1 to confess our sins .....you might want to take the time to read it. Also Romans 6, those who have been baptized into Christ have been freed from sin v7 and it says in v6 " our old self was crucified with Jesus so that the sinful body might be destroyed...." this happens when you have been baptized into Christ, read also Col 2:12-14
@@donkilluminati123Way to take that scripture out of context.
Never HAD the faith dummy. True believers NEVER DEPART
@@firstandthelast How is it out of context? It is pretty plain unless it bothers your personal doctrine.
For by Grace are ye Saved, that Not of yourselves, it is a Gift of God!! ...plus im Sealed by the Holy Spirit who lives in me, and he is our Guarantee til the day of our Redemption❤
Rightly dividing the Word of God.
AMEN!
Amen also with that Sealing .... according to Ephesians 4:30 we can grieve the Holy Spirit by obviously sinning and yet we are still Sealed with the Holy Spirit UNTIL THE "DAY OF REDEMPTION" as Christians we technically ARE saved STILL saved and WILL FINALLY BE SAVED in it's fullest meaning At conversion we are Spiritually Resurrected and later on we also Receive our Physical Resurrected bodies if you read John 6:47-50 Jesus not only offers eternal life Spiritually but also promises Physical Resurrection at the last day. 😊
He that has been sealed by the Holy Spirit can become UNSEALED by not abiding in Jesus and then dying in that state. As Jesus Himself said, "If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." -- John 15:6. Jesus would not have given this warning UNLESS there was the possibility of it happening. Salvation is all about ABIDING.
@@markbeck3748 you're speaking of the man who was never saved.
@siradamthebombdiggity Not Jesus! He said that if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered. In other words, the man had to start out with Jesus, from whence he became a branch, but he did not REMAIN with Jesus, and was therefore cast off as a branch and withered.
@ 14:40 there is a blatantly obvious misinterpretation of the Bible in First Corinthians 9:24-27. Salvation is not even being talked about in that passage. Salvation is NOT A PRIZE to be won by how you live. This passage is about eternal rewards, not salvation. You do not earn salvation as a prize because you lived a dedicated life to the end. Salvation was won for you by Jesus Christ and you receive it as a FREE GIFT by faith in His finished work. Not one of these men understands salvation. Btw, I'm FAR from being a Calvinist. OSAS is Bible doctrine based on many clear passages of scripture. It cannot be walked away from or undone. Neither can you cease being born again. Once born again always born again. It is an eternal relationship with God our Father that will NEVER cease. To call salvation a "prize" is to place all the glory of our salvation upon ourselves, not Christ, who alone won it for us by the sacrifice of His innocent blood on the cross. If you did not get everlasting life when you believed you did not get saved. It really is that simple.
While said brother
If we're not forgiving of our future sins then the reality is we're always in a state of unforgiveness, I am never in a constant state of perfection... That will happen at glorification... If you do not believe your future sins are forgiven then I don't know how you would ever feel like you are forgiven for even a second.
If your future sins are forgiven already then There’s no need to ask for forgiveness and that would make Jesus’ teaching heretical
You should be working on being Holy, with Jesus and reading scriptures everyday and praying for power from Him to do what it says or obeying what it says to Do. If you are doing the Good Deeds the Lord prepared for you to do with Him, after you are Born Again, then you won’t have time or energy to act wickedly or do Lawlessness or behaving ungodly.
I was a Christian, I thought, when Jesus Spoke to me and Said I was going to have to go to Hell, for Pride, Fornication and your Sins. I didn’t really understand what any of those WORDS MEANT, so He Told me to go look them up in The Old Family Dictionary that ended up at my house. I encourage you to look them up! This happened in 1988. The only reason I’m still here is because I did as He asked and repented and CHANGED to learn to Do Jesus’s Will and not my Self Seeking anymore……
I hope you make it into His Kingdom of Love and Peace. It takes sacrifice and discipline to turn from the way of the flesh and this world.
@@LeonTheLion-777 what if his refering to ask for forgiveness because your sins affect you on earth , like you struggle with a sin and it backlashes you , you know god punishes his childrean right because they miss behave? chastise scourge , even death?
I personally believe the truth is somewhere in between. I think both sides go to the extreme which I don’t think is accurate. When repenting and becoming saved by God’s grace through Jesus Christ sacrifice your past and future sins are forgiven and your salvation is not at stake for making mistakes and sinning in the future. But when you sin you repent and ask forgiveness as you are condemned by the knowledge given you by the Holy Spirit in your heart. You know you did wrong and you feel the guilt and shame and need to be forgiven for it anew. Where I am not so sure is the giving away your salvation through your actions and heart, both ways make sense to me in that God could let you walk away if you chose but also I can see where God would not allow a human to have that power once given to Him through salvation. The Bible is very difficult to understand especially in a translated language because we don’t know how accurate the translation is based on multiple meanings of words. I have always believed that much of the debating is irrelevant and doesn’t matter if we totally understand each thing as much as understanding the way to salvation and the way to live in God’s will. If you are truly saved I don’t see how you could change back and allow yourself to be unsaved if that is possible. I feel shame and guilt for saying something in anger or frustration so I can’t imagine how I’d turn evil enough to warrant losing salvation because I wouldn’t be able to fall that far from God. Just my thoughts as a “normy” with no theology training or anything like that.
Scripture says we ought to walk just as Christ walked, friend. There are two reasons for remaining in sin after receiving the gospel: Such a person either loves pleasure rather than God or they deny the power of God that can make them holy. The Holy Spirit is He who makes holy. Scripture says whoever continues to practice sin is a liar and does not know Jesus. If we fall, we are to confess and repent, not make excuses to continue wallowing in the mire.
Guys how many times you get saved.... According to this video 100 orrrr sorry not 100 but.. 100 times 100
It literally means you can get saved and unsaved 100000 times. So it goes like this, you sin at 11:30am and your name is cancelled from the book then you repent at 11:32 then your name is written again, then u sin at exactly 11:35 then your name is taken out of the book, then u repent at 11:37 then your name is written again and it goes like that. So you can be saved and unsaved 100 times a day.
2 mins ago you were born by God and now you are not God's son anymore.
Not once if you live in sin
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Those are the sins Jesus couldn't take away right?
@@originalkwao3365 If you live in willful sin he never took your sins away because you have a false Jesus. Just like mormons and jw claim to love Jesus but in reality they follow fake Jesus. Real Jesus will not lead you into sin, so you never believed him in the first place. You believed fake Christmas card Jesus, or fake its okay to be gay Jesus, or fake a woman can be a pastor Jesus. Now the REAL Biblical Jesus will sanctify you, will you be perfect? I can't say, but will you live in WILLFUL SIN? Certainly not!
@@originalkwao3365 The real Jesus leads you to be Holy. There has to be victory somewhere. Is Jesus a loser or a winner?
Titus 2:11-14 KJV
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, [12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; [13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; [14] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
I have never seen such blatant misuse of Scripture in all my life. It was non stop throughout the documentary. This documentary was the perfect example of eisegesis. This documentary would be a good video for Bible colleges to show their students to illustrate the way people misuse Scripture. I'm embarrassed for you all.
Absolutely 👍
Can you give an example?
@@renancorte I have a whole playlist pretty much addressing every Scripture they misused. They used the same old recycled arguments that have been debunked by many. They are assuming their audience is ignorant of the Scriptures and are preying on those who haven't been subjected to any good teaching. ruclips.net/p/PLsAzBnjakfp6yeSnGN-pEDQzcshL9Rs8r
Ok BAPTIST heretic! You are spiritually BLIND and IGNORANT!
Amen Pastor Tommy!
All the “teachers” in this video are just collectively saying, “hey we don’t really understand regeneration or monergistic birth so this is the best we got!”
No they just say we are not calvinists who are stuck in a theology framework.
Get Thai person a cookie! Now!!!
Best comment on here.
Correct. They don't understand what being born again really means.
Glad that i believe in preserverance of the saints, that teaches instead that Christ will keep all the people He saves in Him, which means following Him and bearing fruits. If we could lose our salvation, we would.
That is an innovation of the Reformation not a belief held by the Early Church. Like Sola Scripture which the Reformation itself disproves by its development of sectarianism and eventually denominationalism.
@@leoandolino4668 zzzzzxthe life life
There are numerous verses about names being blotted out of the Book of Life. While God says no one can pluck you out of the Father's hand, that doesn't exempt individuals from personal accountability. Claiming a higher standard is reserved for saints is merely an excuse for complacency. Saints and believers alike are held to the same standard, as Paul emphasizes in striving for excellence. It's disrespectful to settle for the bare minimum when Christ endured excruciating suffering for us. Christ's sacrifice wasn't for us to merely scrape by, but to transform our hearts and minds. We're called to imitate God and actively participate in our salvation journey, not just passively believe. Aligning with God requires diligent effort, not just lip service. It's time to stop deceiving ourselves and put in the necessary work to cultivate true faith and obedience.
@@juliajumel2382 Well stated.
@@leoandolino4668 Thank you, I liked your comment as well. 🥰
I was saved......I am saved.....And I am being saved
Powerful ! This is the true gospel !!!!!! Holiness is a must! The holy spirit will power us to flee sin and bear fruit !
WHO MAKES YOU HOLY ?
I pray that God will close the mouths of false teachers who are telling the Saints that they have to work to keep their salvation.
Amen... but the ones in this video arent saying you have to work to keep your salvation. Watch it till the end. Youll see.
@@jeimmyjurado-r5l if you can lose it you have to work to keep it. To say otherwise it's cognitive dissonance. They didn't understand the Gospel of our first and second birth. Our will is neither determined like that of Calvinism, nor is it autonomous like that in Arminianism. Both systems teach salvation is ultimately by us instead of Jesus.
Both sides of the argument are wrong, because neither understand the nature of soul, eternal life, what is salvation or how it works, and how our eternal life in this world translates to our eternal life in eternity.
If one can lose salvation and eternal life, then it means no one alive is actually saved yet, and the "eternal" life is not actually eternal.
Loss of Salvation Theology (LOST) is a false gospel of works-salvation that is repackaged as "continuing in faith."
@@elizabethl3323that is just not true. You believe what they are saying too without recognizing it and making the connections. A Christian is someone who has been regenerated, which means their hearts are orient toward God. Did they say they will be perfect and no longer sin at all? No, simply they will bear the fruit of salvation. Paul states it is by grace through faith, not of works lest any should I boast. But then he says we are his workmanship created in Christ for good works so that we can walk in them. James says I will show you my faith by my works. This isn’t a weight to people’s salvation. They shouldn’t feel like God is requiring something of us we can’t do. Because we are saved we should want to please God. It should be a Joy to know that because you are saved you should want to do what is right and faithful to God. Do we still make mistakes? Yes absolutely. But that difference is even when I do make a mistake God still loves me and because he loves me I should want to change my behavior.
“… if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”
exactly
Again out of context and again misapplied...
@@jamesenewold8864 again you are a fool.
out of context 🙄🙄🙄🙄😂.
so how about john 3.16.
thats clear even to a 2 year old
@@jamesenewold8864all he did was quote a verse, didn’t even give an interpretation or anything. Why are you irritated by God’s Word?
@@jamesenewold8864 is English your first language?
We must solely go by what the Bible teaches... no tradition, no man's belief or preference, just what the Bible teaches...
They just showed like ten verses though…
@@dexterlaurencejnr5293Can you give me one verse that says a person can’t stop having faith or believing? There are many that warn believers not to.
Can you give me a verse that tells me which verses are the Bible?
@@dexterlaurencejnr5293
THERE IS COUNTLESS SCRIPTURES
John 10:27-30
[27]My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
[28]and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
[29]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
[30]I and the Father are one."
powerfully articulated!
Philippians 1:6
New King James Version
6" ....being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you WILL complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;"
He will complete it if you endure in faithfulness until the end.... but one can absolutely forsake HIM and in lacking the things of faithfulness laid out in 1Pt2:1-11, For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. but he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
SLAP SLAP TO JESUS CHRIST YOU JUST SAID THAT JESUS WILL NOT FINISH REALY ? Does jesus christ EVER ,,,,UN,,, REDEEM HIS OWN ,,,,,AFTER,,, HE HAS REDEEMED THEM Can a born again Christisn be come UN BORN AGAIN ARE YOU BRAVE ENOUGH TO ANSWER THESE QUISTIONS .
you must be Faithful to Jesus Christ for Him to complete that good work but you can if you choose tooto walk away from Jesus Christ.even Jesus Christ had a lot of disciples turn away from him and walked no more with him.
@@theodoreritola7641no he doesn't but you do when you turn and walk away from the Faith. when the Devil comes to you with strong temptations you have a decision to make to resist the Devil or give in to the temptations when you give in you start a process of backsliding from the faith but if you repent God will restore you but repentance is your responsibility. Jesus has already done everything he can do and that is the work he done on the Cross.
DO you know any thing about being redeemed ?you may want to look into John Ch 3 vs 16 very CLOSE
God says you can lose your salvation. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the SPIRIT expressly says that in later times some will DEPART from the FAITH by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
God says some will depart from the faith. How can you depart from something you never had?
You can lose your salvation if you don't continue if the faith. God is talking about believers, not people who did not believe.
Don't believe false teachers! Don't believe once saved, always saved. It is a Satanic doctrine, a doctrine of demons!
Believe God and be saved!
1 John 2:19 "They WENT OUT from us, but they DID NOT BELONG to us; for if they had belonged to us, they WOULD have REMAINED with us. However, they WENT OUT so that it might be made clear that NONE of them BELONGS to us."
Clearly, these verses, like the parable of the soils are referring to false converts, who make public proclamations of faith, without an actual inward repentance.
@@spartakos3178 We can have false converts in Christianity. But having false converts doesn't negate the fact that true converts can lose their salvation if they don't continue in the faith.
Yesterday, I quit my job at Walmart. Others are telling me "well, you probably never worked there anyway". See how "must not have been saved to start with" makes no sense?
You can't lose a job you never had. OSAS is a damnable heresy which kills the fear of the Lord. It is Gnosticism.
I don't believe they were truly saved then. The Bible says that the elect cannot be deceived. So they didn't have the Holy Spirit. God doesn't give his Holy Spirit to mistakes.
John5:24, these are the false teachers the bible speaks about, they would rather Glory in your flesh but they themselves do not keep the circumcision aka they don't fulfill the law and would rather you work on fulfilling the law by your own works rather than resting in the blood of christ, they think God's work wasn't finsihed at the cross and that God needs your help finishing his glorious work, they make God weak and place themselves above God to assist in him in finishing the work on the cross. they turn back to works of the law thus turning back to their own vomit. Reject these liars who preach self righteousness rather than the righteousness of God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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eternal security...the only way to truly serve the Lord without expecting something in return...
ORAR once redeemed all ways REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST
@@randyschuffert
It is good to serve the Lord. It must be done in spirit snd in truth.
But how? "The hesrt is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked who can know it? Jeremiah 27:9
We need a new heart.
Jesus said, You must be born again. John 3:3-8. "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit." Verses 3:5-6.
Born again is regeneration. Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary online.
'Regeneration means; Reproduction, the act of producing anew. In theology, New birth by the grace of God, that change by which the will and natural enmity of man to God and his law are subdued, and a principle of supreme
love to God and his law, or holy affections, are implanted in the heart.' Implanted.
Humbling isn't it. We cannot do that. So who does God look to? the humble and contrite ones. Psalm 34:18 and Isaiah 57:15.
Ask God to send the Holy Spirit to you, Luke 11:13. He will bring your sins to mind. As he does ask Jesus to forgive you. This will be painful, PRIDE HATES IT.
When you see your desperate need (Jeremish 17:9) for a Saviour, call out to Jesus to save you. He came to save sinners.
Then do as the risen Jesus commanded, be baptized. Matthew 28:18-20, in the water of repentance Mark 1:1-5, Matthew 3:6. Calling on the name of the Lord, Romans 10:9-13. How? As Peter preached Acts 2:21, 38 and as Paul did, Acts 22:16, Acts 19:1-5.
Think on Mark 16:16, 2 Peter 3:9, Romans 6:3-11, 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Colossians 2:6-15.
When He has regenerated you, you will desire Him. Read His inspired word, the Authorized Version, the King James Bible. The Spirit of truth will lead you into all truth. His word strengthens, washes (as does His powerful blood). His word reads you Hebrews 4:12. Daily bible reading and prayer is essential in building on the foundation which is Christ Jesus.
PS. The other apostles were already baptized, they baptized others. John 4:1-2.
Read His preserved word, the Authorized Version later called the King James Bible.
@@randyschuffert Eternal security is assurance of salvation, is once saved always saved, is scriptural.
@@theodoreritola7641 Some get redeemed, but never justified by the blood or by faith. These fall away from O.T. type salvation, but were never saved in the N.T. way--II Pet. 2:1.
This movie should be called "How to guarantee NO assurance"
Amen to this lol. The straw man fallacies were innumerable so fast into the video
If you stay faithful to Christ, you have assurance. If you choose to abandon your faith for love of the world, then you’re playing with fire.
It’s that simple. That isn’t works salvation. I’ve come to the same conclusion as the video has on this topic based on study of the Bible. Esau forfeited his birthright for a bowl of soup, Israelites in the wilderness groaned for the way of life in a Egypt and died in the wilderness. If those were written for our instruction, why are we so lax about the possibility of forfeiting our faith for the world that we’ve left? Why are we assuming that it isn’t possible for someone to do, harden their heart against conviction and return to the mud and muck of the world? God always has mercy, but if someone dies in that state of forfeit and knowing rejection, what faith is there to save them?
@@mr.f6912 what strawmen?
@@samueljennings4809 all the arguments they made lol. And all of the claims they made they supposedly “once saved always saved” people believe
It’s actually the EXACT opposite.
The documentary mistakenly equivocates OSAS with licentiousness. The security of the believer is not a licence to sin. One can hold to OSAS and sanctification. They aren't mutually exclusive.
The parable of the unforgiving servant refutes OSAS.
@@catholictruth102No it doesn't. It separates the Kingdom of heaven from the way the world operates. The point is Israel's leaders are not in the kingdom and will have to repent of their unforgiveness.
@@tsines3 It shows God can give someone forgiveness then revoke it.
@@catholictruth102You're a position without a text friend
@@tsines3 How’s that? If God said He’d treat us like how the master treated the servant in the parable, and the servant had his forgiveness revoked, why would you assume you cannot also have your forgiveness revoked?
0:09 ...is a lie, actually. No one says that.
The Puritans. What was their lifestyle after conversion? How does it compare to yours?
Jonathan Edwards. He preached Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, and led The Great Awakening. Did he say what we do doesn't matter?
The Reformers. Were they godly in their personal lives, and did they encourage that in others?
"Depart from Me, I never knew you." He never knew them -- ever.
"My sheep hear My voice, and they follow, and I give them life." They're sheep before receiving life(!). Goats don't become sheep, or sheep goats, in anything Jesus ever said.
Jesus in John 6 (two verses). "All whom the Father gives Me will come to Me", and "No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by the Father". If the Father has decided that you're coming to Jesus, you're coming to Jesus. And if He hasn't, you won't.
If your theology is cooperative, who receives glory at the end?
What would a theology look like where God receives all of the glory at the end?
I think you missed the word eternal. If your salvation can be lost then eternal salvation that the Messiah was promised to those who believe and have faith in him is false and you make the Messiah a "LIAR". FYI once saved always always are to those who only had a genuine faith in Christ not the fake one thats says they are saved but their life is carnal and live according to flesh and not according to the spirit. And remember the bible says that the true saved can fall to sin but sin has no power in him. And the bible also teach that if true Christians fail we asked forgiveness but it doesnt mean that the geniune Christian can loose their salvation because they fall into sin because no man even a ginuene christians can live a perfect life! That is why Christ came to crucified our sins past present and future on the cross
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
This what the Lord teaches. 3 realities.
1 Stating the obvious : ““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
2 The kingdom of heaven is real.
3 We enter the Kingdom by doing the Father’s will.
In Hebrews , we are reminded not to downtrodden God’s works of grace.
In the Old Testament, did everyone enter the promised land after coming out of Egypt?
Having been delivered from our Egypt, bondage of sins, do we need to press on to the Promised Land?
Were all delivered from Sodom? All except Lot’s wife who disobeyed even the potential to be saved was there . Shalom!
exactly.
thode eho hear words depart ate thise relying om works
EXACTLY…. God had/HAS HIS plan to save WHOM HE CHOOSES….and those names He wrote in HIS BOOK OF LIFE, long before he laid earths foundation…So IT IS TRUTH, once saved ALWAYS saved….it is humans who have wrongly judged WHO THEY believes to be saved….their life only ‘appeared’ as that of a righteous individual….But may not be authentic IN. THE. FIRST. PLACE!!!
Eternal meaning forever. Like a marriage is meant to be forever as long as the vows are kept
@@1timeslime971 he doesn't choose .
don't be a calvin fool
we have free will
19:16 "Faithfulness is a requirement." Yes it is. What faithfulness is not, is a work.
All Christians sin daily and will sin until the day they die: “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
Mark 10:18
There is none good but One, that is, God.
God is the only one that is Faithful. Faithfulness is definitely work that only God can do. It is Gods faithfulness towards us that establishes what we are, not what we does towards him
Just gives thanks to God for what he has done towards us, for he is the foundation for everything we are
@@malcolm716 Faithfulness is definitely not a work, it is being loyal to God only in your worship. The word faithful comes from the word faith and only by faith in Christ can we be saved. Faithfulness is an act of faith. Jesus was faithful to His Father and we must be faithful to God.
1 CORINTHIANS 4:2
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
REVELATION 2:10
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Jesus’ faithfulness:
“if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”
2 Timothy 2:13 KJV
@@terierichards1366 It is also our faithfulness that God counts for righteousness.
1 CORINTHIANS 4:2
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
FAITHFULNESS is an act of FAITH.
2 TIMOTHY 2:12
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Who is Jesus faithful to? His Father, God and to those who are faithful to Him. If we are not faithful to Him, He is not faithful to us. If you are not in Christ He will deny you but if you are in Christ He will not deny Himself.
That's what that verse you quoted means.Don't get your understanding from reading just one verse, it will mess up you theology.
They Strawman the Tar out of OSAS.
What do you mean?
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
@@donkilluminati123 Hebrews 10:26-31
Regardless of what the Bible teachers believe it’s the message that’s convenient to understand for many people who hear it.
Also the Bible has verses that specifically say that you can be a partaker in the Holy Spirit and then be worse off after abandoning it. Therefore “if they left they were never a true Christian” doesn’t work. Even if it was true then technically you don’t know if you’ll ever walk away and have people say you were never a true Christian……
Being respectful. Just trying to analyze the text and carry the propositions out to logical conclusions.
Actually they presented a fair though admittedly not balanced video. OSAS folks don't realize how bad their doctrine sounds till they hear it explained in a way NOT not couched in their cliches and slogans.
If a person accepted JESUS they will no longer want to sin! And will be new creatures continually asking for forgiveness !
What some people forget is that once we believe in Jesus and the gospel we are 'marked' with the Holy Spirit (Eph.1:13) who begins the sanctification process and does not stop until the job is finished. (Phil.1:6) God/Jesus always keeps His promise to NEVER leave us nor forsake us! That word 'never' includes anytime we think or claim we are leaving Him. He is faithful to bring back every lost sheep.
Well said❤
Jude 1:24-25 (KJV)
"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen"
And what if the believer chooses to walk or fall away
@@JeffreyJuanitaTaylorthen he was never saved.
@@siradamthebombdiggity cop out. Once saved always saved is not true.
@@JeffreyJuanitaTaylor I'm sorry you feel that the Bible is a cop out. Sounds like you aren't saved. Repent and believe the gospel!
@siradamthebombdiggity I believe in Jesus as Lord. I just don't believe once saved always saved is biblical. The notion that one can be saved and live anyway they want without repercussions echoes exactly opposite what the Bible speaks.
Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
1 John 2:19, 27 KJV
If you want to be able to lose your salvation so badly, good news for you, you never had it.
Hypothetically, if one is saved and can lose salvation, then they were never saved to begin with.
@@jedimasterham2 then they didn't lose it..
All the righteous works of human history put together could not save a single man from a single sin.
Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection offer forgiveness & justification to all men by grace through faith alone.
If you can lose your salvation, than Christianity is no different than Islam, Hinduism, or no different than any other works based religion. Very sad that there are so many self righteous false teachers out there.
People of the Lie: Saul / Paul
ruclips.net/video/wuNkLpHReL4/видео.html
Just as a good student strives for an A and not a F. So too should Christians everywhere strive for perfection in our faith. Even if we don't achieve it on this side of eternity, we should still strive for it.
Philippians 3:13-14 NKJV
"Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus."
Salvation is a free gift not a prize. There is nothing humble or truly honest about the works approach to salvation.
@@JR-yj8ig Have you never heard of the saying, "Nothing in life is free"?. Salvation comes at a cost to all parties involved. To God: His Son. To Jesus: His Life. To Christians: Our Lifelong Allegiance.
@@EthnosSynergyEnergy What you said is a lie, not based on a single word in the Bible. You made it up. The Bible repeatedly and very clearly states that salvation is the FREE GIFT of God and we can add nothing to it. You don't get saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and then keep yourself saved by how you live. You do not understand even the concept that salvation is all of GRACE. Your lifelong allegiance is not saving you or even helping to save you. No good works or deeds you do will get you one fraction of an inch toward heaven and eternal life. You are living in a works-based salvation just like the men in the above video. If you are a saved man, meaning you have been truly born again by faith in Christ, you are not now keeping yourself in God's favor. It just doesn't work that way.
@@randyd9805 Actually Randy, the Bible says that we must add works to our Faith, in order for that faith it to be valid and active,
James 2:20-24 NKJV
"But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
@@EthnosSynergyEnergy You are deliberately mishandling the scripture. You already know of the passage in Romans 4 which clearly states that Abraham was justified BEFORE GOD by faith alone. The justification in James is not for salvation from sin's penalty but is CLEARLY about our being justified before MEN, not God, by our good works. Unsaved people can "act good" and do good works and millions of them do, thinking that is enough to get them into heaven. Are you one of them? It sure sounds to me like you are trying to justify YOURSELF before God by your own righteousness, which the Bible repeatedly and very clearly states is not possible.
You are only justified before God by your faith in His Son's sacrifice. If you don't believe that or know that, you have never been born again. God will not save a self-righteous person who thinks their good deeds or lawkeeping saves them. Again, do you know that salvation is ONLY by grace through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast? God knows your heart and whether or not you have believed in Jesus Christ ALONE for salvation. Men cannot see your heart, only what you DO in their sight. This is the justification before me in James.
Which Christian can pluck themselves out of God’s hand even if they try? Haha! Foolishness!
Why would God hold onto a believer who no longer wants Him? Remember free will?
So basically you are calling God a liar when he tells us about the great falling away in the end times. Foolishness might just apply to you. Faith alone is nowhere to be found in scriptures. Only once in james 2:24 and not in your favor.
@@dn2976Because God literally just promised them eternal life! 😂
@@sebastianwehler3218No you are calling God a liar by saying eternal life can be lost. You fool!
@@dn2976Jesus' seed REMAINS in them....
The ONLY way a "so called" believer could walk away is that they NEVER believed in the first place!
I believe and I receive these prayers and blessings along with Evangelist Gabriel Fernandes in JESUS Mighty Name Amen
For many years, I believed in the once saved always saved, and because of that I never feared the Lord which is why I didn't have the wisdom to understand the truth of His word.
Thank you for expressing this. I see many who believe in OSAS who lack a fear of YHVH; and therefore do not seek or worship in truth.
It was in you're head and not in you're heart
Exactly .. and it’s also common to see them justifying their sins
@@LeonTheLion-777that’s a LIE.
I’m blown away! This is amazing! So refreshing to hear this presented so clearly! Many of my favorite teachers, too. Thank you!!!!
The problem with those who believe we can lose our salvation is that they actually believe that eternal security/OSAS is believed by people who only want a license to sin. Maybe not all of them believe that, but this is a very common accusation we hear constantly.
Luke 8:13.
@@catholictruth102what's that got to do with my comment?
@@morghe321 It refutes OSAS. If one can receive the gospel message with joy and believe, then fell away, how can one be once saved always saved?
@@catholictruth102 people keep telling you in numerous comments if you have no root, you were not saved to begin with.
One can believe a false doctrine with sincere intentions.
However it is still harmful overall in its influence.
THERE IS NO ONE LIKE JESUS CHRIST ❤
This comment section gives me hope that there are still free grace Christians out there defending the faith.
Yeah, the grace by which I believed, repented and obey to this day was indeed FREE! I wish more people would learn that.
Grace is definitely a free gift from God.
These people in the video do not agree with this, and are obsessed with dividing the church for some reason.
@@jedimasterham2 me?
@@brandonroot7848 No, the people in the video are dividing the church.
@@jedimasterham2 I agree to that
We have to Have a Change of heart, righteousness, and holiness is the changes you go through because of the Holy Spirit and the power of God.
How much is enough ?
Righteousness is a gift God gives you and he declares you Righteous. Yours is to accept it by faith.
The fact that they went straight to the church fathers first and God's word second tells me what I need to know about these people...
They addressed the early church fathers to provide the origins of once saved always saved. It was explained very well. They provided SOOOOO many scriptures to support their claim, way more than I was aware of prior to watching this documentary.
@darlae88 Well it was dishonest of them. First of all I'll be honest I'm not 100% sure I'm right about OSAS being true but based off my understanding of scripture to this point the evidence does seem in favor of OSAS being true. I highly recommend you watch Bibleline's 4 part reaction to this documentary where he points out the glaring problems with this documentary. These guys made a lot of strawman arguments time and time again. Now let me give you scriptures for the contrary to support OSAS
John 3:16, John 6:37, John 10:27-28, 1 John 2:19, Matthew 7:23 (why did he say "I never knew you" rather than something like "I don't know you anymore"), Hebrews 10:10, Ephesians 1:13 (that's just some of them)
Think about this too... Hebrews 6:4-6 is often used against OSAS but think about it... if what it says is interpreted the way people who believe you can lose your salvation interpret it you would have to say that once someone loses their salvation they can't get it back... I don't think people believe that so it doesnt really make sense.
@@darlae88 I want you to understand however that I'm not in support of the idea of doing whatever you want after being saved, we need to trust Jesus however the question really is whether or not the holy spirit will make sure we remain in belief or not it seems to me that the holy spirit will make sure we continue to believe and cause us to live out our faith. Not to say we won't make mistakes and stumble along the way but overall we do remain in the faith once we believe is what the scripture appears to teach based off everything I just said. God bless
They start with a quick primer on church history to show where this error came from.
It makes perfect sense to set the stage then build to the strongest arguments... Which are the scriptures.
It's well over an hour long of scriptures and it's not even the full list.
@sqwearl1392 I felt like there was a lot of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty by these guys throughout the entire documentary. Some people in support of OSAS could easily do the same thing arguing that OSAS is true with scriptural support
I believe in "You thought you were saved, and you were never saved."
OSAS is not a thing. I've never heard any true holy Spirit filled brother say or Believe "I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT AND SIN ALL I WANT, AND STILL BE SAVED" It seems very strawman-ish.
Only by repentance of your sin , faith in Jesus Christ, Jesus's deposit of the power of the Holy Spirit can man be saved and only by the power of the Holy Spirit are you kept saved. He cleanses you, convicts you of sin, adds things to your life, takes things away. He is the barometer and the deposit from heaven that is evidence of your salvation, your name now being in the lambs book of life.
He is the focus. Not a quote used by unsaved people, then used in a general sense to describe everyone that believes Christ is mighty and strong to fulfill the work He began in you and keep you.
All I can say is if you ever sin again and lose your salvation you can never get it back so you better never sin again. According to some of these jokers. Why did Christ die for your sins?
Show us the verses where it says that if you commit one sin again, that you lose your salvation, and then we will look at it thus. But according to the Bible, living in sin, affects the heart and mind, believer or nonbeliever alike, and the result is a harder heart, believer or nonbeliever. It is cause and effect. No where do we teach a sinless life, because that is against what first John teaches. But does your religious teaching include, that to willfully sin, will make you more blind to spiritual things?
@@eternalinsecurity sure, that would be James 2:10 KJV FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL.
GAL 5:4 KJV CHRIST IS BECOME OF NO EFFECT UNTO YOU, WHOSOEVER OF YOU ARE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.
HEB 6: 4-6 KJV
FOR IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THOSE WHO WERE ONCE ENLIGHTENED, AND HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND HAVE TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD, AND THE POWERS OF THE WORLD TO COME, IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE; SEEING THEY CRUCIFY TO THEMSELVES THE SON OF GOD AFRESH, AND PUT HIM TO AN OPEN SHAME.
@@eternalinsecurity so looks like to me that if you're going to live by the law you'd better be keeping the whole law because GRACE no longer applies. ROM 11:6
We can not bundle law, works and grace in the same package because the blood of Jesus separated salvation from the law and works. Salvation is by grace through faith. EPH 2:8-9 KJV and once received we are sealed by GOD. EPH 1:13-14 KJV. So that if God should ever break that seal that He alone can break, then there is no coming back to repentance.
So in keeping the law you must keep the whole law. But if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.
Pretty sure God knew all your sin past, present and future before He saved you as He has foreknowledge in all things and knew you before you were conceived and has numbered the hairs of your head. Matt 10:29-31. KJV
JER 1:5 KJV.
Yeah Arminians have a hard time accepting the reality that they in it of themselves cannot save themselves. If you need to hold onto your salvation to be saved then you’re prideful in thinking you can do it . Also think of this a bad tree does not produce good fruit .
This is what we call straw man created by decievers in order to misrepresent your opposing view and make them look bad,Hebrews 3 is clear sin leads to unbelief and unbelief is what leads to falling away,faith connects you to God so if there is no more faith=unbelief then you are no longer in christ, If you continue in sin it will lead to an appetite to love sin and hate God no man can serve 2 masters and you will choose to not believe anymore and fall away
The sad truth is, Christ has saved them completely & sealed them w the spirit , and instead of enjoying it , they’re convinced they gotta help Jesus get them to finish line?
You are correct! This documentary is trash!
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED???
All this debate over OSAS would be done away if we would accept the biblical teaching on salvation.
No one alive and breathing in their natural body is saved. We have the hope of salvation. We have the hope of eternal life. The seed of life is placed in us at the moment we come to faith in Christ. That seed is called:
The earnest of our inheritance
The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
The promise of the Father
The anointing
The Comforter
The Spirit of Truth.
All we have now is the hope of salvation.
We cannot lose our salvation because we don't have it.
We have the earnest(down payment or guarantee) but we've not been to the closing table.
We're saved by grace through FAITH.
Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.
We are saved by HOPE: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet
HOPE for?
But if we HOPE for that we see not, then do we with patience, WAIT for it(salvation).
Being NOW justified by his blood, we SHALL(future) be saved from wrath through him.
...BEING reconciled, we SHALL be saved by his life.
But let us who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of FAITH and love and for an helmet, the HOPE of salvation.
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation NEARER than when we first believed.
And unto them that look for him SHALL he appear the second time without sin UNTO salvation.
Who are kept by the power of God THROUGH faith UNTO salvation ready TO BE revealed in the last time.
Receiving the END of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
We are saved by GRACE through faith.
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE to the end for the GRACE that is TO BE BROUGHT UNTO you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
...that the spirit MAY be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Brethren, the scriptures are clear, he which hath BEGUN a good work in us will perform it UNTIL the day Jesus Christ.
We are saved by grace THROUGH faith and we will be presented holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF we CONTINUE in the FAITH and be not moved away from the
HOPE of the gospel.
Brethren, our salvation is future. He has begun the work but it's not complete or finished. He will perform that work in us only if we CONTINUE in the faith, which, is to continue in his word.
Our Lord said to those that believed on him: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth SHALL(future) make you free."
It is appointed unto man once to die, but AFTER this the
JUDGEMENT.
We must all appear before the JUDGEMENT seat of Christ.
Our eternity is established(settled or finalized)at JUDGEMENT .
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the FOUNDATION of…eternal JUDGEMENT.
We are for once and always saved when we stand before the JUDGEMENT seat of Christ.
Keep the faith Brethren,
Shane Shaddix
groundoftruth.org
“But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall STAND when he APPEARETH?”
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The reason why you believe what you believe is because of penal substitute theory of the atonement!
You believe Jesus paid all your past, present, future sins, when no where in the bible it says that!
Bible says your past sins are forgiven! Romans 3:25.
And also nowhere in the bible says "trust in the finish works of the cross to be saved" nor jesus already paid our future sins!
These are just all empty words based upon their false understanding when the bible never says that!
Thats why bible says: in Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things Gods wrath comes upon th sons of DISOBEDIENCE.
@@RedemptionRed I don’t believe in penal substitution, in Hebrews it says Christ entered in 1 time for all time and that we have been perfectly forgiven forever. When it comes to me, I didn’t show up on the scene til 2000 years after Jesus so it was all in the future anyway. Believing it’s only when you believe is to put forgiveness on your shoulders, as if you decide when you’re forgiven.. ultimately to make you feel better when you sin… but the truth is Christ decided on your behalf long ago… forgiven forever… “anyone who believes will never be judged..” never means never.
This film is 100% garbage from satan. His end must be very near. Faith alone is what saves you acts 16:31 . It’s not faith plus faithfulness.
That’s not what Paul taught.
1 Corinthians 13:2 “.. and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing”
@@catholictruth102 your name says it all nuff said smh
@@Gracethroughfaith-js8mp Why don’t you address the verse instead of attacking my name, or is it because you’re unable to refute the clear and explicit scripture?
@@catholictruth102 When spiritual gifts are self-centred or are used self-righteously for self-gratification, self-exultation, self-interest, or self-seeking, God is not glorified and the gift is rendered invalid. If the gift of prophecy, faith, knowledge, or understanding is not ministered in love within the body it means nothing. That verse has nothing to do with salvation. This is what Paul said and I leave it at that Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
No Christian is sinless, and no Christian will ever be sinless while alive on earth, for we are all in a sin-nature body that is fallen from perfection and has at its foundation sin. So you are not saved because you stop sinning, or because you live a certain way, but rather because the blood of Jesus washes away all your sins-this is the only reason you are saved! And it is once saved always saved! For your actions cannot grant you eternal life!
This is why I put more stock in and enjoy listening to non-western i-e american Christians about their walk with God. They live peaceful and sincere lives with Christ and fellow believers the way it was meant to be. Western Christians are constantly preaching fear & doubt, thus causing believers to live in a state of paranioa and doubt about their spritual standing & life .
Jesus sacrifice on the cross does not give us a license to sin.
Do people actually believe that if someone doesn't want to go to heaven anymore God will drag them kicking and screaming?
Christians losing salvation that's Arminianism theology unfortunately lots of Christians believe you can lose your salvation and personally I believe it's because many either were never taught Dispensation Theology or have heard it and for some reason still doesn't accept this topic of the Bible I believe The Church Age is a unique Dispensation period in our History of Mankind in that we are saved by Faith Alone by the Grace of God and always Eternally Saved but that any other Dispensation time of History believers in God could lose their salvation including the Old Testament and after the Church Age!!!!
Let's just remember something in I think 1 Corinthians Apostle Paul comes right out with the hypothetical issue well now that I have liberty in Christ can we just continue in sin all the more that grace may abound all the more??? "God Forbid" (KJV) so Paul makes it clear that our Eternal Security is NO LICENSE TO CONTINUOUSLY SIN 😮
@@billyrobinson6803 Well, he said that because we aren't justified by keeping the law perfectly (because we can't) and some back then taught (erroneously) that sin was irrelevant and inconsequential because of that. I don't believe in eternal security as far as someone DELIBERATELY choosing to become an apostate.
You must be Born Again. When you are Born Again, the holy Spirit of God produces godly living in us. Human effort to do and be good always falls short. Only Christ in us, the hope of glory. If you do not have God living inside of you, then you cannot live holy. We do not act good to get to heaven. We act godly because we are going to heaven. It's a huge difference. It's God in us, causing us to walk in His ways!
>>>and this is the best evidence that we are saved forever. Salvation, once gained through faith, by grace, cannot be lost. It does not mean that we are sinless, nor does it mean that we remain as we were before conversion. The Holy Spirit is the part of us that is holy
AAAAAMMMMMEEEENNN I HAVE BEEN REDEEMED BY JESUS CHRIST WORKERS NEVER TALK ABOUT REDEMPTION WEIRED LOL
Every day when I spend time in the Word I look for scriptures that can be considered in this discussion on one side or the other. This documentary is the BEST discussion I have ever seen on this subject!
”When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us ALL our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.“
Colossians 2:13-14 NASB1995
Amen! The Word says it all!!
Amen!! It's God's work, God's grace!
The KJV is a better Bible! No Christian is sinless, and no Christian will ever be sinless while alive on earth, for we are all in a sin-nature body that is fallen from perfection and has at its foundation sin. So you are not saved because you stop sinning, or because you live a certain way, but rather because the blood of Jesus washes away all your sins-this is the only reason you are saved! And it is once saved always saved! For your actions cannot grant you eternal life!
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
Only 1 min in and you have already misrepresented the once saved only saved position.
Address some of the verses showcased in the video.
@@catholictruth102 All Christians are sinners and all Christians sin daily, including you and you will sin until the day you die: “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” (Ecclesiastes 7:20-22). Thus we disobey God daily, which is sin (Romans 5:19-21).
Trragically Chris has already dug his heels in and is now a slave of the law. (He only upvotes any comment supporting his new belief)
@@donkilluminati123 Yes we do, so what's your point?
@@AgeOfNefarious_Deception I can't read what I previously wrote, so by your statement I cannot respond, because I don't know what I am responding to. If you can clarify I will respond. Thank you.
The Bible says that Believers are given eternal life (present tense), not that we are given eternal life in the future if we do good works.
This is a blasphemous documentary advocating for works salvation.
“He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.”
1 John 5:10-11
Psalm 119:160 "The sum of your word is truth", not single verses taken out of context and treated as some sort of summary of the bible when they are not. They are merely part of the whole. In later verses Jesus goes on to say that those who believe in him will follow and obey him. True faith produces fruit in one's life and if you truly believe in him you will obey. Jesus said "why do you call me lord and dont do the things which i tell you". James 1:22 Be doers of the word, not hearers only deceiving yourselves.
@@sebastianwehler3218 Youve only quoted verses that encourage people to do good works. The Bible does command people to do good works but that is not what saves someone. The Bible teaches that the one who doesn’t work but believes will be saved:
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
Romans 4:5
@@Hanshotfirst6688 Learn the difference between works and obedience. Make no mistake, the lukewarm will be spit out.
@@sebastianwehler3218 works is obedience
@@Hanshotfirst6688 Friend, when the bible says "it is not of works" it is refering to self righteous ego works. Obedience is a totally different catagory. Jesus said "why do you call me Lord and dont do the things which i tell you". James 1:22 "Be doers of the word, not hearers only deceiving yourselves". Nobody is saying works will save you. Obedience and repentance is key.
Sadly wrong. 26 seconds in is the first misrepresentation of what those who believe OSAS actually believe and say. "It doesn't really matter how you live after you're saved ..." Once you start lying about what your opponents believe you've lost your audience. It matters strongly how you live after you're saved - read Romans 6. But you don't lose your salvation - 'cos that rests on what Christ has done, not on what we do. I needed salvation because I'm a sinner. Christ died for me because I'm a sinner. Now you think Christ will throw me away because I'm a sinner?
So the context here is that our sin is covered by the blood of the lamb as long as we repent which means doing a 180 deg, turning from a life filled with sin and walking on that narrow path. If we as a believers claim we are saved by the blood of Messiah but then continue to choose sin when we know it is wrong that's when we can be cut off. Rom 11:22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. His ways are higher than our ways. Praise the most High. Shalom
Would love a look behind the curtain on why only one point of view was presented by advocates. For example, why was Calvinism presented by detracting proxies and not Calvinists? What constraints existed while making the video that prohibited the other point of view from presenting their questions/concerns with the primary theme of the video? Chris White mentioned on his podcast this took full time 9+ months of work and represented his best work to date. It really is impressive, but the one-sidedness will likely keep it from reaching White's desire to see it considered the final/comprehensive treatment of the subject.
I thought the exact same thing - a decidedly one-sided argument. I would have loved to seen an intelligent debate on both sides. Instead we were treated to a very dismissive attitude toward OSAS. No respect given to a reasonable theological belief. Why not include learned representatives from the other point of view? What are they afraid of?
Because this video wasn't meant to be a debate. You can already find those on RUclips. This was meant to be a presentation and explanation of truth.
@@timothyowen4503 Then I shouldn't have used the word "debate." My point is it would have been a more impressive "presentation" to hear a carefully articulated alternative point of view, and that such views would not be casually dismissed as if they were without merit and unworthy of discussion, as they were in this video.
@@yfh635st yeah, I'd probably like to see something like that.
0:06
"The major evangelical voices are saying, you're saved by grace alone. It doesn't really matter how you live after you're saved. You're saved."
What "major evangelical voices" are these? I've been a Christian 35+ years. I've never heard any reputable Bible teacher teaching such a thing.
Yup. 6 seconds in and already this bad.
The truth aint famous. Lets spread the truth as much as we can anyways 👍 Love you, family in Christ. May God bless
True. Who cares what the major evangelical voices say anyway, they are not the authority on God's word, God is.
Any Calvinist will do. So John MacArthur, John Piper, Paul Washer, RC Sproul, etc. An intellectually smart Calvinist will dress it up all nice and purdy but OSAS is literally the 'I' and the 'P' in tulip.
@@theTavis01 That's quite a lot of accusations. I've listened to most of these men for years. Paul Washer is the one I've listened to the least. I've never heard them say anything along these lines. If anything, I've heard them always stress the importance of holiness.
Provide the evidence for any of these men ever teaching the idea that, "It doesn't really matter how you live after you're saved. You're saved."
Understand that making such accusations is a serious matter before Jesus Christ.
Provide the evidence for these very serious accusations. Thank you.
After watching this, it appears that the people in this documentary don't really understand OSAS. Those that have been saved WILL endure until the end, but, salvation is not preserved by our good works, but by our faith in Christ, the same faith that saved us keeps us. Our eternal security does not give us the license to sin freely, but, when we do sin, we have an advocate who has died for our sins. We were saved, are being saved, and will be saved from eternal punishment.
you are right, they are a bunch of ignorant brothers, they are denying the work of Christ.
Amen
A saved person loves JESUS and will want to please GOD and will ask the HOLY SPIRIT to take over! GOD judges our Hearts not our flesh!
A much needed documentary! God Bless you!
Excellent! Amen!! And to those who disagree I commend the quote at 19:25 "look at what the text says, quit trying to explain it away in view of a theology you want to uphold, uphold the Word of God and change your theology." Conditional security is supported by direct teaching in numerous books, by every NT author, by parables (eg the sower) and biblical examples (eg. Saul). It is a teaching in both the OT and the NT.
Saul did NOT lose his salvation because in 1st Samuel 28:19, Samuel is clear that the next day, Saul and his sons would be with HIM.
Saul still had faith as verse 6 shows him praying to God but God ignores him.
Conditional security? Salvation is conditional upon what?
A gift that is conditional upon me keeping the commandments isn't a gift.
A gift = receive it. NO conditions attached other than receive.
A privilege = earn the right to obtain it AND keep it. Conditional upon YOUR efforts.
@@maplemusic8851gifts can have conditions and in fact God's covenants was a gift with conditions please stop lying on the Bible
@Historylover94 you're calling him a liar? 😂
@@maryj6149 Did Israel have to keep the commandments to be in covenant with God, yes or no?
@Historylover94 yep and they failed miserably.
Excellent work. Largely fair to the opposing view and well thought out. In a few places they oversimplify and seem to be primarily reacting to antinomian beliefs when Romans 7, in particular, can and is interpreted as a struggle we face but does not have to be construed as “normal” as in “acceptable.” Rather it can be acknowledged as part of the sanctification journey that should become less and less as we allow the love and power of the Holy Spirit to transform us. In the end, I wholeheartedly agree with their goal of pursuing holiness and obedience-oriented following of Jesus. On the primary theological question they are addressing, I think the most profound Biblical argument is if God created us with Freewill, as evidenced in Genesis 1, then why would He take away Freewill? Really appreciate the thoughtful work they put into this. Well done!
I believe anyone can back slide , I feel we all are saved In Our Holy Spirit allowing us to feel our lord almighty if that is what we believe in , with so many denomination and different beliefs our Bible is our spoken words to be obeyed we should read it and give glory in our lord Jesus. Christ holy words .
Born again, experience is John chapter 14 verse six in the king James authorized Bible version and read your Bible and pray every day 24 seven😅
If you can lose your salvation, you will.
“To the one who does not work but believes his faith is credited to him as righteousness” Roman’s 4:5
@JoshuaGipson96
“I will give to each of you according to your works ... Blessed are those who DO His commandments" (Rev. 2:23; 22:14). "Faith apart from works is dead" (James 2:26).
"Whoever says 'I know Him' but does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps His word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in Him: whoever says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way in which He walked..
Everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him" (1 John 2:4-6,29).
"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him DOES NOT SIN. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. (1 John 3:4-6).
Obeying Christ is not earning your salvation (which was free) it is committing to a life of faith and obedience in Christ.
Romans 11:22.
@@catholictruth102 Stop quoting scripture, you have no understanding of it being a catholic. The mystery of God and God works in mysterious ways is a catholics concept but God reveals the truth to us who are saved and who seek Him and His Kingdom. There are no mysteries or hidden truths with God.
33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." MATTHEW 6:33
@@AgeOfNefarious_Deception Explain Romans 11:22 instead of attacking my faith.
@@catholictruth102 Yeah, I don't see many people understand this. It means to reject Jesus Christ (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit/unforgivable/unpardonable sin) once you have been truly saved and given the gift of the Holy Spirit. You are then cut off from the olive tree and bundle up for the fire. This is how my theology and understanding differ from the OSAS theology in this documentary.
It is pathetic that a bunch of ignorant preachers made a documentary completely discrediting the grace of Jesus!
There is a massive misunderstanding of the text by these guys. I was watching this objectively, but I'm noticing so many problems with their arguments. It really does seem like they're twisting scripture to say what they want it to. It's a shame.
@@TheNationOfTexas You are right. The one problem I see with people who oppose OSAS is their negligence of interpreting scripture contextually. They just pick out a verse, misinterpret it and go to town yelling, “you see, you see”!
@@blessed4019 Another problem I'm noticing here is that they try to make it sound like if you believe OSAS then you automatically view it as a license to sin with impunity. That's just ridiculous. I know I'm saved and I've never thought that. I'm not all the way through it yet, but I think I'm going to drop it. This seems pretty disingenuous.
@@TheNationOfTexas You both are real Blessings! I get that ALL the time of how I love to remain in my sins. They have no clue how I hate my sins, that I cannot wait for our Father to take us home. Being saved, I have yet to hear my pastor preach on, go sin as you like, you will always be saved.
Warnings Against Falling Away
Hebrews 6:4-6
"For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt."
Hebrews 10:26-27
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries."
2 Peter 2:20-22
"For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them."
1 Corinthians 9:27
"But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
(Paul warns that even he could be disqualified if he doesn't maintain discipline.)
1 Corinthians 10:12
"Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall."
Verses on Continuing in Faith
John 15:5-6
"I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned."
(Jesus teaches the need to remain in Him or face destruction.)
Romans 11:22
"Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you too will be cut off."
(Paul teaches that remaining in God's kindness is conditional.)
Colossians 1:21-23
"And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard."
(Salvation is conditional on continuing in the faith.)
Hebrews 3:12-14
"Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called 'today,' that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end."
Obeying Jesus' Commands
Matthew 7:21-23
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
(Even those who believe they are saved can be rejected if they do not obey God's will.)
John 8:31
"So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, 'If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples.'"
Possibility of Shipwrecking Faith
1 Timothy 1:18-20
"This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme."
1 Timothy 4:1
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons."
2 Timothy 2:12
"If we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us."
(Endurance is necessary to reign with Christ; denial leads to rejection.)
Galatians 5:4
"You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace."
(Paul speaks of those who had fallen away from grace by trying to be justified through the law.)
Falling Away from Grace
Revelation 3:5
"The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels."
(The implication here is that names can be blotted out of the book of life.)
Revelation 2:5
"Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent."
(Jesus warns a church to repent or lose their place.)
Matthew 24:13
"But the one who endures to the end will be saved."
Personal Responsibility and Final Judgment
Ezekiel 18:24
"But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die."
Philippians 2:12
"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
(Paul encourages believers to take their salvation seriously, implying it is not a guaranteed, automatic process.)
These verses collectively show that salvation is conditional upon ongoing faith, obedience, and perseverance in Christ. They suggest that it is possible to fall away from grace or to be disqualified from salvation if one does not continue in faith or rejects Christ late
Very well done. I pray people listen and pray about this rather than immediately rejecting it. But God knows and we all have our choice.
Love your neighbor, love the Lord.
Hebrews 10:10-14 says all time. That's past ,present,and future sins.
WORKERS NEED TO LEARN ABOUT REDEMPTION
Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. Not of works lest anyone should boast
🕊️The following is the truth many refuse to accept:
Jesus⬇️
🕊️”Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matthew 25:34-46
The Apostles⬇️
🕊️“If the dough offered as first fruits is holy, so is the whole batch; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you. You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.” Romans 11:16-21
Was Jesus along with the Apostles lying❓Its a simple yes or no answer❗️
🕊️”Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from the Evil One.” Matthew 5:37
Luke 8:13.
@@catholictruth102 Luke 8:13 talks about those who fall away(apostates) during tests, trials and temptations. As long as your foundation is GENUINELY and FIRMLY rooted in Christ Jesus alone, you will endure in patience and it’s a lifelong response to the Word of God. Yes We’re called to bear fruit, but works and individual self-righteousness CANNOT save you or me. Only believing in Christ’s finished work on the cross will. I hope that explains the Context of that verse
@@eddw3 They received the gospel with joy and believed, according to the scripture. Meaning if belief alone saves, they were saved. Yet the verse says they fell away, clearly signifying that they lost their salvation.
Continue on to verse 10. Dont just stop at verse 9.
“For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:10
Why have we been given the new heart, new desires and new mind? So that we may “WALK” in them. We’ve been created in Jesus for good works! We are His workmanship. That’s what the power of the Holy Spirit is for to help us all for God to be glorified.
If OSAS isn't true( which it is) then we have to get rid of a whole lot of scriptures!!!!
John 5:24
John 6:47
John 6:40
John 10:27-29
John 11:25-26
Romans 10:9
Romans 10:13
Ephesians 1:13,14
Ephesians 4:30
Philippians 1:6
2 Timothy 1:9-12
1 John 5:13
And I know there's many more...
This movie is heretical even among those who call themselves theologians and scholars...
Smh....
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1
AMEN!!
nope. you just need to harmonize them with the Scripture on the other side which is false if OSAS is true. The harmony is the simple Truth that while Christ alone merits salvation, we can forfeit it ourselves through deliberate, continual, apathetic disobedience. 1 John 1:5-9 and many places summarize that perfectly.
@@stevebegin2489
There’s not one verse in the Bible that teaches you can forfeit your salvation. Lest ye forget it’s “a gift.” 🎁
@@stevebegin2489 Do you realize that obedience to Christ is believing and having faith in Him? The Greek word is Pisteuio and means that....
And if no man can pluck you out of the Father's hand...then how can you yourself walk away? Nope, not gonna happen if you're one of His!
Read Bible within context of Bible itself….. No any good teacher is better than God's words. No matter how many people think they possess the truth. Bible is the only authority.
Some examples of my understanding:
15’17” What “disqualified” for? A runner can be disqualified in a race, but that doesn’t cancel the runner identity. The context of 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul was talking about was the prize/reward of good works of Christians as the result of possessing the true faith, not the GIFT of God.
15’52” A logical conflict of the disapproval in the earlier video about questioning whether one really has faith or not.
17’22‘’ Roman 11 discussed a huge deal about God's Grace and Election. The context of the specific verse (picked up in the video) 11:22 was referring to the "unbelief".
In general, my observation is that it’s a misunderstanding about Calvinism. Calvinism never stated anywhere that true faith can be without any changes in a personal life or fruits of faith.
Meanwhile, if we are able to work our way out to obtain and possess faith, I wonder what Jesus has accomplished?
A lot of statements in this documentary are debatable and worth investigation and looking into.
You can fall from grace and there is no work to keep your salvation,simply if you have faith you you stay saved if you unbeliever your no longer saved,Hebrews warns us in chapter 3 "be careful BRETHEREN their not be in any one of you and evil unbelieving heart that departs from the living God but encourage each other daily so that none of your hearts are hardened by the deceitfulness of sin" if you continue to fall into sin and practice it you will soon gain an attraction which will lead you to unbelief,and where their is no belief their is no salvation. Stop following into these Greek philosophical talking point catch phrases that have not biblical backing Godbless
The Grace of Jesus that has appeared unto us helps live a holy life. Thus, we dont have to debate about sinful living after salvation again, because the dominion over nature of sin has already been given.
I have a family member, she was a worship leader at my church for years. NOW she is "married" to another woman. IN THE END she made her choice. Hope she truly repents, before its too late.
Being a worship leader doesn't save. Many churches don't even preach the Gospel. Your family member probably didn't believe on Christ alone for salvation.
What did she believe? Faith alone?
Salvation isn't something we can lose through violating the 10 Commandments. Otherwise, it is a reward.
The works of the Law = keeping the Law
You don't believe in faith alone. Faith alone means believe and be done.
Works salvation means earning your way by keeping the 10 commandments and other rules all your life. This is a salvation that man CAN lose because man EARNS it.
Not hard to understand.
@@maplemusic8851 I think she fits the word apostasy. Mathew 24:10-13 says that many will turn away from the faith....
So much for once saved always saved.
Without obedience there is no salvation. ONLY the ones that finish the race in holyness will recibe the prize. AT LEAST THATS WHAT 1. CORINTHIANS 9:34-25 SAYS. "DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT IN A RACE ALL RUNNERS RUN, BUT ONLY ONE GETS THE PRIZE? RUN IN SUCH A WAY AS TO GET THE PRIZE. It talks about getting a crown 👑. Ten Paul says : " so that after I have preached to others , I my self will not be disqualified for the prize.
@@ChileanNews The Apostle Paul was talking about a PRIZE.
Do you consider salvation to be a prize? True, the prize is only reserved for those who live faithfully to the end.
But 1st Corinthians 9:24-27 is NOT talking about salvation/Heaven.
Do you consider Heaven to be a prize? Because the Bible calls Heaven a free gift (Romans 5:15-20 and Ephesians 2:8-9).
A free gift is received the moment you take it. It is NOT something you require someone to work for.
If I require you to work for me for 50 years to receive salvation
There are rewards for believers who live faithfully.
As for Matthew 24, read until verses 21-22 and you will see it is talking about PHYSICAL SALVATION (or surviving) the 7-year Tribulation, not salvation of the soul.
I hear so much unbelief in these comments. So many people give more power to sin than they do to God’s sanctifying power and promises.
JESUS CHRIST WILL tell them to depart from him HE NEVER KNEW THEM
Thanks to these people for putting this video together. What a great informative lesson on salvation. I pray this meets everyone out there that needs to hear this message 🙏. May God bless you
All these Pastors DON'T have a God..like my God...who loves me enough to keep me from losing my Salvation!
@@Mybackupphone-q6n have to agree with you on this one
Great teaching. Thanks for taking the time to put this video together.
It’s a colder gospel. It’s a counterfeit gospel. That’s not the gospel at all Pastor Joe Shimbo has told me that and that’s why I believe not in the counterfeit. Once once saved always saved is the biggest the biggest fallacy in the so-called word of God I stand on the authorized king James version of the Bible, not the modern Bible of the new age, Bibles is false and our liars like Tony, who loves John MacArthur and he doesn’t understand brother at all I understand brother Joshua Chavez
Wow who made this documentary? Well made
If truly saved, always saved, there I fixed it.
Excellent!!
What "death" did the prodigal son experience?
YOU may have fixed it - but has God?
@lune7pi how certain are you that it was NOT the Spirit of God that convicted the prodigal son of his sin & lead him to righteousness by bringing him back to his father?
@@Ancient-Paths Eternal life means eternal life once someone repents and believes in Christ.
I was baptized and raised Southern Baptist. I was a member of UMC congregations from 1981 to 2024 when our church voted to leave the UMC and become a congregation inside of the GMC. I have never heard any sermon from a born-again individual - live or on RUclips - with the thesis put forth by this video, that the idea of 'once saved always saved' gives someone the license to sin anyway desired without consequence - never. If someone can point to an example - please do - I promise you it will not have been delivered by a born-again believer. And if anyone hears a sermon putting forth this position and thinks, "Good, I'm free to live any way I want, because I'm good to go!", I promise you that individual has not experienced the justification of the Living God. You can't experience Him and still think that way.
The Corinthians were saved despite their ways . Paul called the brethren .
Hi Rick, I was raised Baptist and I never heard any advocate of eternal security teach that we have a license to sin. They all have ways of being able to explain their doctrine in such a way that at least attempts to nullify the end result of a sin license. The potential for living their life in a way that demonstrates that deep down inside they believe they have a license to sin still remains. Arminians are quick to just assume that if you believe in eternal security you also believe in a sin license. On the other hand the advocates of once saved always saved are quick to assume that if you deny eternal security then you therefore believe in a part grace and part works salvation. Get saved by grace and stay saved by your works and not sinning. Yes the potential for believing this way does exist amongst arminians but not all arminians fall into that ditch. When it comes to the question of how salvation is forfeit not all arminians give the same answer. When you stand at the judgement you will not be able to pat yourself on the back and give credit to yourself for staying saved by avoiding sin or doing good works. If your salvation can be forfeit then the forfeiture has nothing to do with your sinning or not sinning and everything to do with your faith which is what gets you counted as righteous in the first place. When a faith is genuine it will impact how one lives their life. When a genuine faith is gone the lack of that genuine faith will also impact how one lives their life. Both sides need to be careful about the conclusions they draw when evaluating the opposing view and not be so quick to just assume.
Good words. As James points out in chapter 2, I will show my faith BY my works.
This was a huge miss to warn about OSAS heresy, which is real. But with the filmmakers attempting to couple it exclusively to Calvinism denominations does not help their cause!
My Calvinist church preaches that you can fall away from the faith lol. I’ve been arguing against OSAS on X for over a year, and the OSAS advocates are not Calvinists. Huge miss.
@@mainpost4111 That's freewill for you :)
This documentary is demonic.
Not a single verse in scripture say one can lose salvation.
It's just not there. Everything they're saying requires them to pervert scripture to insert their Loss of Salvation Theology (LOST).
*Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
@Bob.55 *Luke 8:13* “And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.”
1 tim 4:1, hebrews 6:6, the parable of the seeds in the gospels. 1 tim 6:10, john 6:66, many other verses saying you MUST abide in him.
Amen!! Why would Jesus have died if we needed to work for our salvation. It is prideful and counting the sacrifice of Jesus as nothing
@@jmb2202 Scripture testifies the truth, hope you see it. God bless!
*1 John 3:10* “By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.”
Thanks for clarifying this dangerous doctrine
OSAS is NOT a dangerous doctrine...so much scripture would have to be erased if OSAS is not true!!
These people take scripture out of context!
@@kathyhenderson8902 It is a dangerous and false doctrine.
You guys appeared to be rightous outwardly but inwardly you are flithy...
No Christian is sinless, and no Christian will ever be sinless while alive on earth, for we are all in a sin-nature body that is fallen from perfection and has at its foundation sin. So you are not saved because you stop sinning, or because you live a certain way, but rather because the blood of Jesus washes away all your sins-this is the only reason you are saved! And it is once saved always saved! For your actions cannot grant you eternal life!
That's certainly a very bigoted and judgmental thing to say. You better hope OSAS is true. Its probably the only chance of making it.
Without realizing your own sinfulness, you will never have saving faith.
This video PROVES, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES RIGHT!