Confessions of a Cult Leader: Landmark, Asiaworks, Lifespring & other LGAT & Charismatic Cults
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2017
- Confessions of a Cult Leader: Landmark, Asiaworks, Lifespring & other Large Group Awareness Training & Charismatic Cults.
As one of the first Asian Pioneer Promoter to join and promote LGATs, I feel I have the full authority to give my Expert Evaluation about “Charismatic Cults” - cults that inspire devotion and passion in others by charismatic Cult Founders & Cult Leaders.
The Modus Operandi of Cults
The MO Slogan of most cults is: Slowly, slowly catch the (Virgin) Monkey!
1) The Cult Bait
The Forms of Cult Bait: ● Giving FREE food, free previews
ANYTHING FREE is a bait.
2) The Cult Kill
3) The Cult Slavery
The cult leaders will create long-term isolation religious instructions and may become a ‘control freak police’ to monitor, heavy discipline, daily indoctrination, forcing followers to enroll their relatives, friends into their new ‘true religious family’
The Typical LGAT 3-Level Format:
I attended all the 3 levels of LGAT of Life Dynamics (LD) in Hong Kong in 1991:
1) Basic: US$500
2) Advanced: US1,000
3) 90 day Program with a fancy or deceptive title
Why the long hours:
The long hours is to wear out participants so that they are more vulnerable and willing to listen the cult coach's advice.
The Dark Side of LGAT: Hard Core Enrollment
LGAT Coaches are very clever and deceitful in camouflaging hard core selling with their twisted concept of Enrolling Skill is very important skill to have in life. They brainwash you that you'll need this skill to enroll others in our vision, values, project, thinking, etc.
Then especially in the Third Level 90-day program in the first of 3 weekends, they go around the room one by one to get a public declared enrollment figure.
NOTICE to LGAT Organizers
The moment a particular group STOP the ENFORCED ENROLLMENT HARD SELLING the name will be removed from the list - UNTIL then Saving 72 Virgins will haunt them until they give up this despicable practice.
There are many Personal Growth Groups who do NOT hard sell such as NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming, Wings Seminar
Alexander Everett: Who is the Father of the Human Potential Movement Cult?
Mind Dynamics proved a precursor to other groups that used similar techniques. Alexander was referred to as "The Teacher of Teachers" and "The Father of the Human Potential Movement" ... as his employees included Werner Erhard, founder of "est" Erhard Seminars Training and of the Landmark Education; John Hanley Sr., co-founder with Robert White of Lifespring; James H. and Janet Quinn, founders of LifeStream, LifeResults, LifeSuccess and New Perspectives; Randy Revell, founder of Context Trainings; Tom and Jane Willhite, founders of PSI World; Robert White, founder of ARC and Life Dynamics; Howard Nease, founder of Personal Dynamics; Bill Schwartz, founder of the Meditation Institute of Milwaukee; Stewart Emery, founder of Actualizations Workshop, Russ and Carol Bishop with Insight Seminar.
My Bottomline Expert Prognosis:
Large Group Awareness Training have some good training modules but the BIG BUT is their bad practice of hard core selling and peer pressure enrollment of each and every participant to make big money from them and their connections is totally not acceptable in my professional opinion.
#Lifespring
#LandmarkEducation
#Asiaworks
#LargeGroupAwarenessTrainingLGAT
Thank you so much for putting this online, I watched because I am concerned for several family members involved due to major behavior changes, I am very grateful for your doing this. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Hi Virginia,
Just pass it forward, and tell others the truth about LGATs.
Warmest regards, Robert
This is so accurate on what my friend tried to convince me to join recently. Thank you for empowering me with this knowledge and showing what really goes on behind the scenes.
I think the awareness you're spreading is really important, and everyone should be careful and do more research on this matter. Again, thank you!
yHaNw. There are now so many breakaway groups from the pioneer LGAT groups mentioned in my video.
Q. Which group was your friend trying to convince to join?
Saving 72 Virgins I'm not sure if you'll know about it (I'm from Malaysia), but it's called milestone trainings
Yes, I know Milestone and some of its students.
They are quite similar to AsiaWorks who are very active in Malaysia, and South East Asia.
AsiaWorks founder Chris Gentry was my Advance and 90 day Leadership Program Group #1 for Life Dynamics (founder Robert White) in Hong Kong.
He broke away and started AsiaWorks.
yHaNw. Yes, I know Milestone and some of its students.
They are quite similar to AsiaWorks who are very active in Malaysia, and South East Asia.
AsiaWorks founder Chris Gentry was my trainer for both Advance course and the 90-day Leadership Program Group #1 for Life Dynamics (founder Robert White) in Hong Kong.
He broke away and started AsiaWorks.
Warn your friends about such LGAT Cult groups. Share this video with them.
Saving 72 Virgins thanks! I will
Yes I agree the hard sell is not fun...I did a handful of Landmarks programs like a decade ago...the material was great. I benefited a lot. The thing most people don't know is you an go get all the good stuff and leave the stuff that doesn't resonate. You can always say No...then say it again....and again. One of my fav phrases was "I hear you I understand what you are saying and that you got a lot out of the next course....and I am a No for now." Thank them and walk away.
Yes that was my experience with Landmark people. When I said no to doing something they left me alone.
Wish I'd done this more was too easily guilt tripped
I wish it was this easy. I recently had to freak out on my sister after she asked me for about the 30th time. These people won't take no for an answer in my experience.
I did Landmark about 10 years ago. Then started doing the evenings during the week. Once I had had enough I went to a meeting and told the leader I was finished….she didn’t like it but as I told her “I was being authentic” which is a key word in Landmark courses.
I’m sorry this video only got several hundred likes because it seems very truthful and sincere.
Thanks for sharing you are a role model for other's to follow 🏆
Ursula Remien. Many thanks for support and encouragement. Most cult members are blind, super defensive, and can't handle the truth about their cult.
I had a hard sell and I screwed with the guy until his brain exploded. I talked him into circles and made him look at the differences between what I said and what he answered. It was fun.
This happened to me yesterday in India. It's funny how they try to push so hard. I kept on telling the brainwashed cult members that I don't have any desire (like becoming a millionaire or smth) for the course to be of any use to me. It was funny how they kept on trying to convince me otherwise.
Some afternoon mental gymnastics 🤸♂️
Thank you for the insightful video. I’m being forced to go to a program that you spoke of and this gives me armor against their tactics.
Grab a set of balls and share with the group and why you’re being forced to take this course
Roark Merrill he is a beta male that is why
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I've done several of these trainings including Lifespring and Landmark. The trainings are excellent and make a powerfully positive difference in life. Unfortunately, they use your enthusiasm for the training to pressure you to enroll your friends. When they asked me how many people I'd be bringing, I just said zero in a firm voice and they didn't push it.
As the friend who went to help a friend - Thank You. It was not a situation that I'd care to repeat. Although it was one of the best stories of my life. I hope you keep getting the help you seek .
You prolly dont care but if you are bored like me atm you can stream pretty much all the new movies on Instaflixxer. I've been watching with my gf during the lockdown =)
@David Fletcher Definitely, I have been watching on Instaflixxer for since december myself =)
It’s basically pyramid selling.
Did you do the three days of the forum? I don’t think lifespring and landmark are close
I was advised to go to landmark recently. did a ton of research and it’s a HUGE waste of money, time and energy. ALL of the stuff you can learn in self help books, and it’s a shame that people would rather go to seminars than PICK UP A BOOK. People feel the need to connect in a group, which is why they spend 675$ to abandon their families, friends and go to a stupid convention that only provides “false hope”, motivational talks and that forces you to go inward on your problems in life. I’ve developed a hatred for these LGAT trainings, despite not being in one, because the entire concept seems ridiculous in every way
I mean... most advanced graduates - people who have participated in many landmark courses - have exceptional skills at things like... creating new opportunities in relationships or business. Living in accordance to deeply held values. Creating new spaces in family, healing old wounds, forgiving others. Or for instance, recognizing worldviews which limit their access to new experiences (hint hint). It's like this: there is something in your life you are left with through your prior experiences that you have NO POWER to change. This is due to perceptions and views of yours. They arise in language and form an identity. There are ways you can actually cause these to shift and it shifts in language. Yeah, you can learn gestalt therapy, you can read all of Heidegger work, you can meditate for years at a monastery, you can pay tens of thousands for therapy... any of these can cause shifts in the occurring world (what arises in our perception according to our world view)... Or you can spend $700 and get it in 3 days and a Tuesday. Landmark is FAR from perfect and should give away far more of their work for free. They also produce extremely high quality seminars that are overwhelmingly powerful and useful. I own 8 businesses and have incredible relationships with my business partners, an incredible productive relationship with my co-parent, none of which existed until I learned what it takes to take on my perceptions and stories in my life.
Yes. They are also dangerous for those who are mentally and spiritually unstable.
This then affects wider society negatively.
@E 0 There are also people that have attended that came away with psychological and anxiety issues. My brother being one of them. It's not for everyone, but Landmark doesn't care if it's not for everyone. They only care about robbing you of your money for something that isn't necessary to attend in my opinion. I'm not a fan of them. Glad you had a good experience though.
I know friends that have spent years reading all the books and I don’t see the same progress
Is by far worth the money, and the time
I’d ask yourself what you really want in your life and go talk to your friend to talk to you and ask them how on earth is this thing that he may be even working on for a while possibly going to come to fruition within three days?
I totally agree with you!
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If only one lost Cult 'sheep' is saved and returns to one's family from my writing or video, I'm good."
~ Whisperer Robert Chaen
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Very interesting you mention of the very destructive affects of Lifespring for some people. Nervous breakdowns, psychotic episodes, depressions, relationship breakdowns, deaths, suicides. Absolutely incredible that this group was doing this to unsuspecting participants. I understand that the vast number of lawsuits against them finally shut them down in the mid-1990s. Good riddance.
Although some of the original LGAT groups got saturated in enrollments, there are many small offshoots copycats traying to persuade youths in Asian and China cities and other Cities not exposed to this type of LGAT trainings.
@@saving72virgins56 good for you for stopping them if you can. Their only motivation is money. Solely getting money off people.
I really hope the same thing happens to Landmark they're done exactly the same to people they are dangerous and completely unqualified to coach such a large group of people, they know and don't care. They just want people's money and to dominate people that's all. The fact that people and the media still see Werner Erhard ie Jack Rosenberg as some sort of philanthropic sage for the ages is also absolutley absurd, this is a man who abused and neglected his family and staff, committed bigamy, avoiding paying his taxes and embezzelled money and laundered money through the phony 'Hunger Project' that was meant to eradicate food poverty. And he has the nerve to still talk about compaassion and integrity etc and charge 1000s of pounds for the privelege of earing him talk.
I recommend Outrageous Betrayal by Steven Pressman if can get hold of the book (now sadly out of print) very detailed in it's discussion of the corruption of Landmark and these LGATs as well as the many associated court cases.
It is so awesome.
I'm cult Mediation Expert attached to the International Cult Studies Association (ICSA). I have joined some religious and Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT) cults as a pioneer in my earlier life. I have studied countless cults for the last 39 years, there are very clear characteristics of cults which many cult members are too blind and brainwashed to see through.
Watch my video on The Modus Operandi of Cults: tinyurl.com/ycp2g2ce
Many cults are officially recognized as NGOs, endorsed by celebrities (e.g. Scientology and Tom Cruise), some with millions of followers and all cults have good people joining them.
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Large group awareness training is not the same thing as a cult
Hi dear speaker: at first i thought....what has he to offer....but you come to your point quickly. I investigate on cults etc. I did benefit from your personal Made experience a lot. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this video. My seminar leader of my landmark called me rude because i can't join in the seminar. I told my schedule can't afford them anymore. I feel so tired of going there after my work and she told me that my body doesn't matter as long as my mind is there but how? Im almost exhausted of my schedule and she told me not being coachable and rude for not listening to her. I agreed that landmark help me some points but they become too much now. I feel like they taking advantage of the word " posibility". And i have never seen any kind of forcing enrollment like this
The truth set you free! :)
For me in landmark I was told that I am not my body. And I was so triggered at first. But I really got through something HUGE in my life:: finally I could see that I am not my body. I am not those sensations of pain I feel daily with my chronic stomach illness. I have a power beyond what my body says is so. And this is not to ignore my body and pretend I don’t have pain. This is to acknowledge that I am sensing pain, to give my body what I think it needs and to know that I often start to feel stomach pain when I am about to break through something, and the making the pain bigger than my dreams is what keeps holding me back. So yeah we are not our body, a lot of what we think is pain is a mental creation that we use to stay comfortable (because stomach pain is more comfortable to me than to take the next step at becoming a dancer), and sometimes it is truly a well being issue where we need to sit it out, and that’s totally fine!! However what is a miracle is to have that freedom of choice-not to fall back on what’s comfortable all the time
Rude and cheap. What's wrong with you?
Smart gal!
Thank you for that. A friend of mine enrolled the leadership program recently and started pushing me into doing the basic course, this immediately felt wrong. A bit of research and here we are. I really hope she would be okay.
More than likely she's better off, the programs are super useful and it isn't a cult. They tell you to confront your stories and how you affected others through your rackets and filters and they have robbed you of love and joy in relationships. Landmark mostly causes you to have conversations where you deal with the way you've been and create new relationships with others and it doesn't require them to participate either. Not participating is anyone's choice, but the programs are well worth the money too.
Great video, thanks 😊
I did Landnark’s Forum and The Advanced Course and refused to enroll one single person naming their hard sale con. As you can imagine it did not go down well but I had flown in to my from Switzerland and didn’t know anyone in the states. I chose other goals and stuck to them. They offered to reimburse my course costs in return fir me leaving but I refused.
I’m so confused, you took the forum and the advanced course, and they offered to refund you for the advanced course? And you said no? Did you get something out of it?
I had a former girlfriend who went to Landmark, considered it life changing, and she subsequently brought her mother for an additional training session. She was a very interesting and independent woman, no children, and had made her living as a beauty object … briefly an NFL cheerleader, then a trade show model for years. When I inquired as to what transpired there, she was extremely imprecise in her descriptions, therefore I hardly knew anything about it. I’m guessing money is at the root of these endeavors? Am I correct in this? Who is getting wealthy off these schemes?
Landmark is a for profit business. I've no idea where the money goes but they must have a lot.
It's starts as a three day course in an auditorium with a leader, 150-200 students, and a posse of graduates doing the donkey work.
The leader leads a conversation and in so doing gets you to look at your life and who you've chosen to be in ways that you haven't before. Students get moments where pennies start dropping and they're encouraged to share about it; this tends to trigger other students to see things differently too. It snowballs.
The course is followed up with a 10 week evening seminar program.
Personally I found it great value for money and incredibly powerful.
Isn’t a money making scheme
They spend their money in four areas
Staff
Travel
Real estate
Telecommunications
Your girlfriend couldn’t describe or explain it because there’s nothing to describe or explain
There’s blind spots that we all face and when the Blindspot is put in front of us we can see it and then we can take action
So I had a Blindspot were in my head I was telling myself that I was unlucky, no wonder
I shed that realized I was saying that to myself I don’t say that to myself at all anymore even said that to myself and 20 years
What this guy is describing has nothing to do with the landmark forum, maybe he went to one introduction and meet his own assessments of how things operate there, it’s entirely not what happens
I graduated from the forum yet in that packaged is offered continuing seminars of which I didn't attend ...but all in all I'll say I learn quite valuable life transforming information
My mother is an LGAT leader for Choices seminars now being rebranded as Break free seminars. I am the first generation out as my family makes a lucrative living off this process. And yes police officers management, Alpha presenting personalities with dare i say a complex? my mother is in positions of power. My children are the first ones never been in! my entire family tries to destroy my life now because i speak about it and am a scapegoat
yes yes everything you said was SPOT ON in this video !
Excellent material on the subject, one of the best I've found cause I think it's very concise and addresses the key problem with this kind of "soft" cults...did you know some people are calling landmark "Scientology light"?
Ignacio Brizzio. "Scientology light" is actually an accurate description about Landmark/est materials based on Scientology.
Many thanks for your support.
You are most welcome. I'd like to get in touch with you about friends that are getting caught in their web.. I myself was conned into taking the forum and I got brainwashed, luckily I was able to deprogram myself on my own when I found controversial material, but I can't say the same for them. Now they are being recruited into bringing the forum to Argentina
Lm is a branch off from scientology. Like that if scientology fails it can just rebrand as LM. Its like fragmenting so that you can regroup if need be thus you become indestructful, un destroy able.
Gangs do this.
@@saving72virgins56 The vast majority of landmark's methodology can be traced to gestalt and Heidegger. There are some basic similarities, but gestalt is the basis for scientology's audits as well, there are other practices including NLP and various integrative trauma therapies like EMDR that use relived experience to reprocess difficult experiences as scientology and landmark do.
Scientology is Super difference from Landmark
Landmark has separated a lot of families, and has given ppl PTSD, it's basically a peer pressure group trauma, you will be sleep deprived, and not allowed to use the bathroom.
@woken what do you mean you can’t use the bathroom? I’ve never heard of a place where people physically stop you from using the restroom during a meeting if you need to
If they were to try to tell me that I could tell him that I’ll sue their pants off for not accommodating a disability
@@TheSAUAngel they really do this, they tell you your gonna miss your blessing.
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Saving 72 Virgins how can I get in touch with you? Landmark is currently starting operating in my country but still haven't been able to put up their business
Landmark is a cult
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Sounds like Network Marketing.
Great insight
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I attended EST on the advice of my mom’s friend after it was almost over they gave everyone a chance to get their money back before they unveiled the big secret to happiness lol I stayed unfortunately I wanted to see it through ,some people did leave though after we came back from break for the big unveiling of the secret the leaders went on to tell us that we were suckers and fools and the big secret is there is no secret! Of course I felt like a sucker they then went on to offer more expensive seminars for those that didn’t (get it ) of course I didn’t sign up and was told I got it lol 😂 a few months later the same woman contacted me and said she had found a new seminar Life Spring lol 😂 I told her no thank you I already (got it ) the first time 👍
Thank you for the info
I'm about to take this course next moth and was doing some research im lil bit scare of all the comments in a normal individual I don't have any mental trauma ect ect
Is this going to affect my way of thinking, since I hear many comments saying it will damage you , mind ect
Please help
Well, did you do it? How was it?
You will experience a closeness to people. Maybe even be long term friends. If you are not self aware, you can get introduced to that part of you. It's worth going to solely for that awareness. I'd suggest waiting to make your decision to continue further afterwards.
A group is pressuring to join Landmark to me, I don't want to join kindly give me the qus. To ask that group to say no to them... Pls share quality questions shuld I ask to them to clear that group mind....
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you never say no. you never give an excuse. you simply say - i dont want to go because i dont want to go. i dont want to join because i dont want to join. period.
I did Landmark and it was great. Not sure why people call it a cult and hate on it. It’s amazing. Do it and see. If you don’t like it, get a refund
You can say no, it’s okay.
Have you read the syllabus, it’s online
There’s lots of free stuff out there that’s actually from the landmark education participants vs. people that have researched it and are scared because they don’t understand that there’s a free syllabus that goes over everything
Wow i start my course tomorrow... wish i would've found this channel before i enrolled into this program..😟😣
you can say no. Landmark has a lot to offer....I just posted this:
Yes I agree the hard sell is not fun...I did a handful of Landmarks programs like a decade ago...the material was great. I benefited a lot. The thing most people don't know is you an go get all the good stuff and leave the stuff that doesn't resonate. You can always say No...then say it again....and again. One of my fav phrases was "I hear you I understand what you are saying and that you got a lot out of the next course....and I am a No for now." Thank them and walk away.
sukee lexus soooooo tell us what happened 🤭🤭🤭🤔🤔🤔
ParadoxicalProd nailed it, hit home for me. I'm almost finished with the landmark curriculum and still unsettled with many things although everyone around me has noticed that I'm a more effective person now in many ways.
Wow this was so not my experience with Landmark Education! I am so grateful for that
bvaughn777 This was also sooo not my experience... So false to week minds!!! Landmark is life changing!!!! Try it for yourself!!
Sunshine Soulsister this thus proves his point
Thank you for speaking out!
Multi level marketing and tonny Robbins comes to mind
If you're gonna participate in one of these things I would suggest getting a burner phone and an e-mail address only to use for them to contact you as well as giving them a fake address . You can walk away and abandon these after you get sick of the hard sell and the constant calls and emails they send you
Thankyou for sharing. This guy is a hero. My boyfriend recently joined this Asiaworks thing for like almost 3 months, and I am really concerned about him. So the first day of his basic training, he met this woman who is one of the participants. And they become extremely close like only in a day, so after the Training has ended which is at around midnight 12am (FYI, the training is from 9 am till midnight), so after the training has ended, they went for a dinner just the TWO OF THEM. Which is quite odd. They had dinner till 2am in the morning. Since that, they become more and more close to each other. The day after they had dinner together, my bf ask her for a lunch together just two of them. AGAIN. then the next day, i met this woman, and i notice something, i notice that my boyfriend seems very comfortable with that bitch, and they keep talking and joking around like I wasnt there. He even dare to hug my bf in front of me. After that, i confront my bf, I asked him whats wrong with u and that bitch, why r u so close to her, he then told me that theyre only friends, and he felt like he connects with her then he started to called me possesive. So ok, i didnt want to continue arguing so i just tried to think positive. Then one day, I check my bf’s conversation on Whatsapp with that bitch. And I found something very disturbing. She asked him “what kind of woman am I in front of u?” That BITCH REALLY ASKED HIM THAT. Then my bf reply with “I think u’re the perfect woman and I admire u a lot”. After that, I asked my bf to left that fucking training for good or else I will breakup with him. WHAT KIND OF FUCKING TRAINING IS IT?? THEY’RE TRYING TO RUIN YOUR RELATIONSHIP. ARE THEY PROVIDING BITCHES TO SEDUCE UR BF/HUSBAND???
The 2 Sides of The Knife of LGAT:
There is a real danger when LGAT participants open up during those intimate processes. It opens up participants' minds and hearts, but it also opens up temptations.
That's why a solid ground rule of NO SEX during the workshops and for 90 days AFTER the last workshop should be strongly emphasized. But not enough is monitored in this area I feel.
I was a good friend of the first promoter of Life Dynamics Hong Kong. She had her marriage fail as she succumbed to cheating even after the 90 days ground rule. I did not clarify with her whether her marriage was already on the rocks. If it was, LGAT training will usually accelerate the break up or divorce.
Babe… I think your boyfriend was the problem. And the Asiaworks just accelerated that, like what the guy said.
Your mind/emotions leading is not the way to go through life and try to make sense of things but instead to have a heart-driven experience. Motives play a big part. We are motion machines with abilities to seek, ask and knock on doors causing us to adventure toward progress called evolving leading to meaning and depth all in a fun way. This training and others like it are like diplomas or degrees. Anyone can have or get one but what you do with it is the key. This remains subjective as it should be. The ones that let go of what does not work automatically find what does. Having a heart that leans toward the child in you thriving helps.
Love balming
I think the phrase is “love bombing”, and yes, it is one carrot they use to get you pulled into the training.
@@QuidamByMoonlight I talking about the balm they sell
19:08 Thank you posting this, I wish I had seen it before i signed up. I went through 2 stages (Vision & Breakthrough) and got out right before the 3rd (Practice). It was not leadership at all. It is a cult. Transformational Training. This program is deceptive and does not do what they sell it as. It’s about enrollment, isolation, trauma & bonding. They make it practically impossible to get your money back with their “100% guarantee.”
THANK'S. I'VE BEEN THERE 1976-1978 LIFESPRING SEATTLE. NOW, I HAVE A NON PROFIT, WHERE I'M STARTING PUBLIC TELEVISION AND TITLED LIFFSPRING-DONATIONS ONLY. WITH TECHNICAL GAME ANALYSIS AND DEPTH PSYCHOLOGY ADDED. W...
I got the worst experience with Asia work Malaysia
I don’t know how to bring back my gf after there
Hi
Care to share more? My family member has joined this for their course, any fall back plan for the cult-joiner’s family?
I also don’t know how to get back my Husabnd after his 90 days LP…. He has changed to a differnt person 😢
@@gracelee5539 it’s same happened with me I think no hope I tried almost everything he is brainwashed already
@@hangietan8452 I dropped my contacts information
It is too late for me...my wife will be going for leadership program which is 90 days session tonight. And she think asiaworks is right, and want me to support her. I m helpless and frustrating, dont know what to do. I showed this video to her, and she ask me not to believe this video, and I should experience myself in asiaworks.
Popcorn sunday Sad to hear this. I’ve got a close friend who is being pushed to attend this leadership program. She has done a thorough research before attending to the workshop, and she requested a full refund since she felt uncomfortable after reading so many negative reviews online. There’ll be an interview with her this Friday by the program to ‘get to know her’ and hopefully recruit her to the program. All I can do is to hope that she won’t fall into the trap. I wish you and your wife will be better
Anyway, this isnt end of the world. Well they have strategy ready to make ur fren enrolled to the program. Pay money to know new group of fren, so called sincere, open minded and positive frens...do charity, weekend meeting, weekday meeting...night time meeting...meeting...meeting... everyday morning coaching call, so this is all I know so far. They spend most time within the group even they are with you, they will read whatsapp chat from the group. And I dont think my wife know she gonna do charity in this program, but they made her to believe self growing through contribute to society. Anyway u no need to pay somebody and ask where can I do charity...wtf..I dun understand.
How ya doing now bro
Sounds like MITT
The landmark forum is not a cult. I took the training, got a lot out of it and moved on. I have come back to it from time to time when I wanted a refresher. I first took the forum when I was 17. I am currently 54. I have taken classes sometime with a decade between classes. It was no big deal.
Cult members have no normal life and no choices.
A cult controls every aspect of their followers’ lives.
A cult brainwashes its followers to isolate and surrender their:
● Religion
(if it is a religious cult, there's likely be hatred or intolerance to other religions)
● Career ambitions
(only to glorify their cult)Family life, relationships, relatives & friends
● Food, drinks, sleep & dressing
(religious/group garb, uniform)
● Wealth, money, % of income, assets & properties
● Pastimes & freedom
(classes, proselytizing service, less or no entertainment)
● Holidays
(pilgrimages, visiting cult places)
Cult members have no normal life and no choices
- like puppets with all major life decisions made for them.
Cut the strings and be free.
~ Robrenda
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NOTE: Most regular cult members are expected to follow all the strict discipline and strict cult instructions from Cult Leaders and Seniors.
But not all cult members are strong in following all discipline, regular classes, proselytizing enrolment service.There are many different levels of cult members - from VIP-Celebrity types who don’t follow any cult strict discipline to regular followers and full-time cult teachers.Read article on The Modus Operandi of Cults: Slowly, slowly catch the (Virgin) Monkey!
Here are some of my Generic Cult articles:Share with your friends and relatives whom you think they are in a cult.
[ ] Cult 101 Guide: robertchaen.com/2018/07/03/36722/
[ ] Saving 72 Virgins Top Cult List 2018:robertchaen.com/2018/06/07/35633/
[ ] Hard-Selling, Pushy Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT) and Psychotherapy Cults - Landmark, LifeSpring, AsiaWorks, Scientology >> robertchaen.com/2018/06/07/34525/
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what's your point of pointing these out?
Landmark education does not belong with these other companies
Omg Tupperware is a cult. My friend loves Tupperware invited me over to see her Tupperware. Gave me one to sample. And then pressured me to coming to her Tupperware party and I spent 150.00. It was all her fault.
No, Tupperware is a pyramid scheme. The difference is that people who sell Tupperware aren't trying to get you to hand over your free will to them and they are not exploiting your most vulnerable emotions and experiences in order to profit off you. They just want you to buy their crap and if they can convince you to sell that crap, too, all the better.
boo
Remain the victim, it's a cult and not for you. Some people just don't get it...
I absolutely have to discount your video 99%. You are selling your program and bashing everybody else’s. You are not an expert. Who has written a book about you? Who has invited you to speak at an Ivy League college? Which neuroscientists are following you around begging you to speak at their conventions?
Anytime anybody says to me there an expert, the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
If you’re an expert, your actions and who you are out in the world hold you out to be an expert. When you have to say it and claim it, You are trying to be someone because who you “see yourself as” simply isn’t enough for you.
The Landmark Forum is the technology that allows people to discover for themselves how they look at life and what impact that view has on the actions they take personally to fulfill on what is important to them. It gets the bullshit out-of-the-way so you can take the actions that will give you the life that you want.
Landmark is also a company. They sell courses. Anybody who sells cars wants you to buy the air conditioning and the automatic transmission and the stereo and the leather interior because they make money selling their products.
You share in this video that you literally wrote on the coattails of those people who brought this transformational training into your world and because you followed their footsteps you are now an expert.
I am so sorry, this is not a defining attribute that fits your description of yourself.
Caution everyone who listens to someone who is disguising your motive. “Take my Seminar and don’t take the others”
That’s all I can say
YOu didnt watch it did you... he literally names good reputable companies. He even mentions the evolution of landmark