@@GO-ji1bu Having done Levels 1 through 3 of the similar Lifespring brand LGAT in the late 80s, I would say this is a pretty accurate portrayal, definitely not a parody.
If you haven’t done the course, then you simply can’t speak about it. If you’ve been to an introduction, you can totally come out on the introduction but you cannot come out on the course! At least not with any integrity or authenticity. You’re simply sharing how you feel about something which says very little about this something you’re looking at and says a whole lot about how you judge!
I was forced to do The Children's Forum as a young girl. Haunts me to this day. Yes, they made this for children and parents handed them off for all-day "training" on both days of 2 weekends. 😢
I did the EST Training in 1979. I was 18 years old. Stuart Esposito was my trainer. I hated every minute of it. He humiliated me in front of a ballroom full of hundreds of people through some stupid exercise where we were supposed to act like an ape or shout or something, it was emotionally damaging to me. Still, I completed the weekend because I didn't want to feel like a failure. I went on to take some of the graduate seminars because I was a gullible teenager. My mother even took the training herself later, and saw some brief value in it. But it was absurdly over priced and the jargon was such bullshit.
The chairs were put that way at the events I went to with est and the forum. They would line them up perfectly straight. It's true they would make you wait a long time between bathroom breaks. I was able to do it without any problems. I thought the portrayal here was closer to a reenactment. There is a humorous aspect to this I agree but it's done very professionally and makes me remember fondly taking the est training for the first time. It was an experience and we are all assholes!
@@CurtisSimpson I lived through the self-help hucksterism of the 1970's and made fun of it, was completely skeptical of it. What we couldn't see coming was the Woke Movement/Professional Victimhood and Political Correctness carried to ludicrous extremes and running rampant. How refreshing to see a self help movement, even in a satire like "Semi Tough," that stresses taking personal responsibility for one's choices! I'd love to have my energy and fast metabolism that I had when I first saw this 4 decades ago. Seeing this movie when Burt, Jill, Kris, et al were all young and vital makes me acutely aware of the decades that have passed and what we have lost as a society in the wake of today's technological totalitarianism, loss of privacy and censorship.
@@CurtisSimpson Yes we had to space the chairs precisely, using a kleenex box sideways. Even the way the room was set up felt very authoritarian, to me. I didn't like it at all. My instinct was to get out of there, and I only stayed because i had promised my recruiter that i would give it a chance. I wish i would have left. It's a vile organization, (in my opinion).
Landmark utilizes "attack therapy" to create an energy of catharsis... the attacks escalate over time and get more and more abusive, the longer people remain engaged with the program. It is immoral and unethical and the techniques used to dehumanize and objectify those participating overlap with group hypnosis techniques and mind control programming techniques. Landmark is a cult. EST was a cult before it. Tony Robbins runs a cult. It is exploitation of people who are hurting or who want to improve their lives and it is wicked.
@@TheAwetist802 What kind of nonsense is that? We had a very loving and kind style of conversation from the Landmark Forum leaders - one was Larry Pearson, another was David Ure. Tough talks, direct talks, but nothing like calling someone names. I have had the best possible outcome of Landmark Education. I learned about integrity - it took me years to get it - but as it is, now, I really have got lots of things in my life on tracks, which I did not have, before. THe work is on me - I have - all in all - spent maybe 14 days on Landmark's educations, in total, over the most recent 12 years - largely 1 day per year - that is not much. The profound, positive impact on anything I do, nowadays, is such that I very often thank God that I had the enormous chance of participating. This part with learning about integrity and what it can do for you if you get integrity integrated into your life - is worth everything. There are many other parts of Landmarks educations - their excellent seminars... I am forever thankful for the knowledge, insight, and ability to now communicate much more freely and lovingly with business colleagues, friends, my spouse. It has literally transformed me. People have come to me and commented - voluntarily - about how I have changed to become a better human being. I thank Landmark Education's Forum Leader Mr. Larry Pearson, and a particular tough cookie - Ginger Ink - who ran several seminars which I participated in - it was mind boggling. Tough, because I realized many of my faults - but great great stuff. To your comment that you think it is a cult - there is nothing occult there. Everything is in open - there is nothing secret about it. What is it which makes you think that it is a cult?
Oh this definitely is most real. Took the Landmark course. This role is so out of character for Bert Convey. He was the nicest guy in real life. Gotta hand it to him for nailing it here.
I haven't seen this since I saw it in the theater in 1977. While the movie itself, "Semi-Tough", was just so-so, this segment was an excellent send up of the self-improvement scene of the time. People would put down serious money to spend a weekend at a hotel listening to self-proclaimed gurus dressed like they just came off the disco dance floor. It was an odd time with lots of non-religious alternatives to the Jesus Freak movement of the early 70s. The book, "I'm Okay, Your Okay" was big then too.
3:24: BC: You're gonna get it. What's it? BC: That's what you get. How will I know when I've gotten it? BC: You'll know. Suppose I know that I haven't? BC: That's how you know you have.
1. The actor really looks like Werner Erhardt. 2. Doctrinal error: "It" is a negative code word for the world, but it also stands for the everyday averaging out of human experience. 3. Love the casting and the acting. 4. Rose is going to get dates.
it glosses over the "every concept you are going to learn here has an action of bringing your colleagues, friends, relatives and family to the Landmark Forum Guest Event for the ultra-hardsell sandwiched in" a little ;)
Got to say I agree with you on this business of bringing "guests", always the guests. I was somebody's guest at first. It was kinda hardsell too I'd say but it was always an "experience."
Well, I participated in 3 Landmark Forums, their advanced course, and 3 of their seminars. It created a completely mind blowing and positive change for my life. I learned about Integrity and the impact of the same (this is Werner's EST original concept). The entire presentation is not even a parody. You know that a parody must have some resemblance of what it is trying to make a parody of. This one here is fun, but, it is not a parody of Landmark Education - nor Werner's EST concept. We were never talked badly to - I met serious, professional, top notch coaches or forum leaders if you want - and I saw, in front of my own eyes, transformation of people who had various problems. I came myself to the same forum with a load of issues - one of the biggest one that I did not listen. It was putting words on one of the biggest problems I had faced all my life. THe forum leader "diagnosed" that problem within minutes - not like anything mysterious, he explained what he had observed, and it simply just made sense. So - while this one is fun, it has nothing to do with Landmark Education, nor Werner.
@@DigitalAgeInstitute the "diagnose" you mention is not really a diagnose, it is an attempt to focus on personal narrative (how we explain things to ourselves) as sole carrier of meaning. It doesn't really solve any problems in fact, it only blames you for your interpretation of the situation and thereby puts the responsibility for everything into your hands. While that's really helpful to a lot of people because it is a completely counter-intuitive way of thinking that most have never even considered, it is only a "passing loop" that can be used to get around communication blockages, not really a "diagnosis". That part is doubtlessly useful though - I would never argue about it. What I'm argueing is that wedged into every useful concept Landmark has to offer there is cult lingo ("distinctions"), hard sell and aggressive invasion into your family, social and job life sandwiched in all the way. It turns you into a Landmark Education advertizement billboard unless you mind it out under persistent threat that you won't get the benefits that way.
@@omgsolikevalleygirl I like your view on things - I'm sure some people feel Landmark is the best thing that ever happened to them, but the way it's advertised, pushed on people and that there is no real accountability for the company, and the whole program was not devised by a mental health professional truly looking to help people, but by an uneducated group who only want to help people, or make people think they've been helped at least, to make the most money. If acting abusive towards people brings in more money and makes more people feel like they've 'changed' then they will abuse people without question. I mean it's a one size fits all approach to mental health, one of the most varied and complicated areas of humanity, and their methods and approaches weren't designed by any trained or educated people, merely greedy and money hungry assholes. Its like they take all the functional parts of a cult and use it to create a money making machine. I mean really, what could a decades old new age half-baked pseudoscientific scam possibly offer people compared to the individually tailored, rigorously monitored and constantly improved field of ACTUAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS? They will help you with far more care than this bullshit and will likely be even cheaper and you won't be peer pressured into volunteering for an evil corporate cult.
Years ago a company I worked for sent us to an Est training. I immediately knew it was a crock of sh** then and it is a crock of sh** now, no matter what name it has been changed to.
This is spot on. I attended landmark for all of five minutes...when they locked the door and said I couldn't use the bathroom without permission, I LOST MY SHIT. That wasn't amazing in itself, what was amazing was that everyone else stayed. That people would be willing to accept THAT told me everything about how the holocaust happened.
Interestingly, the brief exchange 3:26 is an almost verbatim portrayal (summary) of the Trainers' interactive spiel at the conclusion of the original est training, at least when I did it in 1979: ruclips.net/video/T5XYNQv6F_o/видео.html
Yes, and then everyone applauding her for it. Also… In the real landmark forum, I’m pretty sure they would have lambasted her for breaking the rules and not having the integrity to hold out until the next break one to five hours later. Another funny thought I had after she said that is: I bet she didn’t find it enjoyable three hours later when her pants were still soaking wet with piss… And she also smelled of piss.
Occasionally life is a great big shit sandwich. Deal with it as best you can and move on. Don’t look back. Sometimes life is good. As l look back on life after 71 years, I see that it was a blessing to grow up in a working class neighborhood without ever having anyone tell me that I was a victim.
Yeah it costs money just like anything of value. And it's not for everyone. It's highly effective at producing breakthroughs over a short period of time if youre willing to try it on.
I paid $650 for over 40 hours of intense training which was more effective then any therapy I've ever done. Not to knock therapy at all, because I do believe it's a great thing to do, but therapists charge $100 bucks an hour if not more.... Landmark costs money, but Its honestly a great value
I also did the landmark forum and part of me applaud the accuracy of the parody the other part... is attempting to appreciate the humor because the Landmark Forum really helped improved critical aspects of my life.
Those methods were NOT from Scientology - GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT - came from Alexander Everett’s Mind Dynamics seminars - who was Werner Erhard mentor - as an ex-Scientology member - nothing about EST is even remotely similar - Hubbard was jealous of Werner and viciously attacked him - he was a threat to him and used the fact that he briefly ventured into Scientology as a means to smear him and it worked great - other than Alexander - most of his ideology came from Martin Heidegger NOT Ron Hubbard.
So I finally did landmark. This is similar except the leader does not cuss at you, you can use the bathroom, you Get breaks every 3 hours and you’re encouraged to talk to your friends and family on said breaks. Other than that, this is a great over exaggerated parody of Landmark and you really do “get it” by the end lol
very true. I also did the landmark forum and part of me applaud the accuracy of the parody the other part... is attempting to appreciate the humor because the Landmark Forum Changed my life.
h20 - This is based on EST. The EST programs are the fore runner of Landmark. Landmark took the EST principles and refined and modified them. They continually do that even to this day. So yes it is not Landmark based but Landmark is based on the principles and continue to change lives with each event.
well, bert convy was right, you people are assholes. anyone that lends any credence to this shit is a moron. you’re all fucking sheep and totally susceptible to any crap that comes down the pike. they’ve been re-writing the same self improvement books for over 100 years and you idiots keep buying them, from james allen’s as a man thinketh to rhonda byrne’s the secret, you keep buying this crap because you’re suckers, christ, they even have aztec wisdom-the four agreements by don miguel ruiz . . . i’ll save you the time and money-it’s the golden rule from the bible-(matt. 7:12) do unto others and you would have them do unto you . . ., though of course i like the king james version-therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets- now, in the immortal words of alec baldwin, “go and do likewise, gents. the money’s out there. you pick it up, it’s yours. you don’t - i have no sympathy for you.”
This is such a good spin on Werner. He was very direct!! But... Werner showed compassion, unlike this parody. I took the course. This is an EXTREMELY EXAGGERATED DRAMA 1. You were never told “you cannot go to the bathroom”!!! This parody created this Potty talk to create drama. 2. For the first 3 hours, the leader shared many agreements These agreements were not optional. AND if you didn’t want to make the agreements you could leave and get all your money back. 3. More about the bathroom as it seems to be a big item for people here... What was shared was this: please use the bathrooms on brakes only as you may miss something during the course because you’re in the bathroom and it could be the one thing to change your life”. This is 100% accurate as I heard it myself! 4. The course was extremely powerful and it was hard work. Now I don’t know when I ever experience something that was extremely easy and fell into my lap and made a giant lasting difference. I never went to the gym and sat at the juice bar and got a six pack set of abs. If it doesn’t challenge you, it’s certainly not gonna change you. I’m gonna go with Albert Einstein on this one who said “you cannot solve a problem utilizing the same thinking that was used to create the problem“. So this is a scene from the movie people. It’s a movie. It is not the course. Warner Erhard is known today by scholars, credentialed and published experts as one of the greatest thinkers of our time. A new book was recently published with the title “speaking being“. It was written by two Heidegger scholars, PhD‘s from Harvard. It wasn’t written by a writer who writes scripts for movies. It was written by world renowned scientists who did a decade of research and have extensive background in virtually every practice of psychology. These experts share how the landmark forum is very similar to the works of Heidegger. So enjoy this clip as the clip that it is. it’s movie drama. If you’re ever thinking about taking a personal training growth and development course, simply look at the statistics for the results shared by the participants. Harvard business studies Landmark worldwide very closely. Why? Harvard business wants to know why 96% of the people who take the Forum by Landmark report their experience at such a high level. My advice is do the research and go into any seminar with your eyes wide open. All I can tell you is this. My life was working OK before I took the course. After I took the course my life went from OK to extraordinary! It went from having goals to achieve and goals. That’s what happen for me. Go do what you’re comfortable. Why am I sharing this? Again, my favorite physics professor had some brilliant things to share which I feel incredible. “The world will not be destroyed by evil people but destroyed by good people who sit by and do nothing“ Albert Einstein… Again. When people who have not experienced the course or experience the course and share their opinion of the course not their experience of the course, I am highly suspicious in nature. They are probably not in the 96% who said it was the most remarkable thing they ever experience experienced. They are certainly in the category of the 4%. Harvard business studied these 4% as well and came up with the following findings. Of the 4%, 1% was not well, were clinically depressed and unmanaged by a doctor, and had no business being in the course. 1% was told you must take the course Probably by a parent or employer and they simple sat in the back of the room pissed off. They didn’t participate and got marginal results. 2% of participants just make an agreement to take the course as designed and don’t. They get marginal results and blame the course for their failure to follow the most simple instructions. You see, at the very beginning of the course they share with you that this is just a seminar and it is their technology and none of it’s the truth and it’s all made up and… Listen to some of the distinctions. If they work for you and you like them use them. If you listen to them and you don’t like them don’t use that. Nothing they say is ever process the tightest as a truth. As a matter of fact, the course is totally designed for people to look at what they know and believe to be true and discover that it’s possibly just their perspective or their opinion and not actually 100% accurate. There’s my two cents worth. I hope this makes a difference for everyone :-)
Yes, I totally agree. Landmark Education is very professional. This parody is fun, and is maybe more aimed at these self-help courses than on Landmark Education. I exactly also got it like you did - they recommend (!) not to going to the bathroom mid-stream, and to use bathroom only if absolutely necessary during the sessions.
No more Forums like this for a long long time .... what in the world is Landmark going to do with this current virus still front and center .... especially in their big city locations like New York ??
I recommended that a friend of mine attend the advanced course in London about two years ago having done this course in New York in the early 90's which was very challenging in a number of ways but also very interesting. The London course had been very watered down compared to what I experienced in NY. and my friend was very disappointed because I had painted a picture of something very stimulating.This is my takeaway form NY...positive: was exploring authentic in my relations with other people. exploring 'enrollment' and how to create a compelling vision of the future and goals which would draw me forwards, further distinctions between 'stories' and reality, identifying 'rackets' and trying to put an end to self indulgent judgmental narratives and attitudes. Negative: the detestable obsession of Landmark to pressure people into proselytizing and getting their friends, colleagues and family to sing of expensive courses, the lack of intellectual honesty and failure to acknowledge the sources of their materials (Buddhism, existentialism, Nietzsche etc...) and finally the brain washing tactics used...sleep deprivation, bullying attitudes of the course leaders and relentless pressure to sign up for more courses before having had time to digest the content of the one one was presently taking....the synthesis? A collection of interesting insights (all stolen) and for those who have not widely read in Eastern thought existentialism, gestalt and metaphysics well worthy to learn but too expensive cohercitive and dishonest. ONLY SIGN UP OF YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG SENSE OF SELF AND ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY RESILIENT! If you do go don't be conned by their insistence that 'intergity' is measured by how many people you get to sign up for course....i told them that instead of getting people to sign up other tasks and enquiries interested me more and since I had travelled all the way from Switzerland to NY before mobile phones had been invented and knew no-one in the city they were stumped. One last thing beware not to rush into painful confrontations with people in your past you may have some unresolved issues with Landmark push you to do this during the advanced course but they are not therapists and have no sense of how traumatic this may be.
Agree - ONLY SIGN UP OF YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG SENSE OF SELF AND ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY RESILIENT! Although I saw PLENTY of people who don't match that profile get excellent value too
Thanks for sharing. What Werner got on that Golden Gate Bridge ,I say is distinct from Buddhism, existentialism and Nietzsche. Some say its close to Heidegger, personally I dont get Heideggers work anything like creating from nothing. Took me decades before I got IT,and most never got IT. Werner most unique person in my experience. I agree with your sharing. The push to sell and most dont continue to practice the distinctions. They wasted their money. Glad I done Werners work, but Im a slow learner lol
@@whowonthatballgame4298 Hello thanks for your response. The closest I found to creating from nothing can be found in Taoist texts. The concept of 'Wu Wei'; literally in Chine of 'doing nothing' means to be creative and effective but without over determining your efforts i.e. if we try too hard we often produce counter effective results (Tony Robbins discusses this in detail) because unconsciously we tend to sabotage that which we crave to achieve or through polarity obsession with say becoming rich leads someone to be cheated by their accountant because all they can see is their work hours or a born again minister preaching on lust and sin ends up in a seedy motel room with an underage hooker and is exposed because by wanting to be immaculate he suppressed ugly un-intergrated elements of his psyche by protecting them onto others and calling them sinners . The Taoist concept could translate to being in a 'flow state' where things seem to happen effortlessly. You say that you are a slow learner but many concepts from Eastern philosophies cannot be easily grasped and require an experiential component. There is a Zen parable about a fish who has swum in water its entire life with great ease and efficacy and one day it swallows a worm and is yanked up onto the river bank suffocating and foundering around. The parable ends by saying ; at that moment it realized what water is It took me many readings of Buddhist books to understand concepts like 'emptiness' and I still re-read my advanced course notes from time to tine 20 years later. They liked enlightenment to prisoner sawing through the bars in his cell for ages then one day finally the bars give and he is free.
Its like everyone woke up in the 70s and thought, what should I wear to look as horrible as possible? Now the hair. How can I make my hair look as horrible as possible?
My dad and sister did est in the mid 70s and 'got it'.. took charge of their lives, went after what they wanted, blah blah blah. However, in personal interactions w/ people, including me & other family, they tended to be aggressive, being kind of assholes sometimes, basically running over people in their self centered pursuit of their own goals. My dad said he'd pay for me to do est but I didn't want it. 'Don't you want to be happy?' he said, like there was something Wrong w/me if I didn't do it.. . . BUT-- the 'getting it' wore off after a while -- they each were rather unhappy people later in life, one became alcoholic & reclusive, the other very obese and blatantly greedy
Well. I did Landmark Education - and I will say that it taught me happiness, and taught me to be fully responsible for my own mood, my life, my actions. And to have integrity in everything I do. For the most recent many many years, I have woken up happy every morning, and have been happy most of all days until bedtime. I have been blessed with the most wonderful wife - since then - and it is partly due to Landmark Education.
@@DigitalAgeInstitute Also they actually advocate that there’s nothing really “wrong” with anybody. Interesting how most of the negative comments are based on here-say as opposed to people’s personal “experience” of the training. THAT’S how we live our lives😝
Completely. Life is what it is. No pitty, just life. It could be BS, maybe is for some people. I don't know and it's not relevant. It was great that I went there.
If I had that kinda money to spare I wouldn't waste it on some douchebag seminar. If I had that kinda extra money I would spend it on horse therapy, or swimming with dolphins. Now I'd be lucky if I could afford baby goat yoga.
I would say that the USD 140 which I paid, for the Landmark Education - was very very well given out. Had I had more money, I would have sent to them much more in sheer happiness and thankfulness.
I went to EST in 1981. I completed the two weekends. I just watched this because 'Walensky - CDC director' her ardent enthusiasm reminds me of the facilitator of my EST course. I just realized that it had a profound, effect on my consciousness forty years later.
After watching all those game shows, it was the first time I ever saw Bert Convy say the word "assholes" and then repeat that about a zillion times in this segment because it went against his usual type as a wholesome sort-of dude. First time I saw anything from this movie, too. 1977: I would have been 11 and have been watching Star Wars 17 times in a row instead. I like this now after having seen it. It kind of reminds me of movies in a similar vein, such as "Serial," with Martin Mull. Nothing like having "friends" and knowing they will try to rope u into some BS like this bullshit.
4:20 "Really Meeting people" is a real exercise Landmark calls "The Be With Exercise" where you turn to the person next to you and stare into their eye silently for 5 minutes, being aware of your inner dialog & all of it judgments. It is as Akward as it sounds, but honestly super helpful. And full disclosure, I did it in the mirror once, just for a goof, sort of a private joke mock the exercise, but it turn out to be very informative to me about what I think & say about myself when I think I'm not listening. It's worth doing at least once & you're doing it by yourself so no one has to know unless you blab it in a comment box on RUclips. ✌💖😊
Thanks, Taylor, for sharing. I had a similar experience on the Landmark education. It was during the Advanced Course. Very recommendable exercise. One really finds peace in looking into other people's eyes when we talk with them.
Everyone in this video is a fashion crime. Sounds like a great way to really have fun as a psych student over a weekend. Have a blast just making any 'ol thing up. 70's fashion -- let's hope it never comes back in style.
Took the LF in 2012 and it has seen me through the lowest points of my life and how i re-created and re-invented myself. This has helped me overcome setbacks and challenges in life.
This is hilarious, but I did the forum. It wasn’t like this at all lol. It’s basically three days of getting people to get that they’re not present. Like they’re always thinking about the past or the future instead of experiencing life as it happens. I think that’s true for a lot of people. Landmark isn’t a religion and it’s not saying to be or act a certain way, they’re just saying that being present in your life will have a positive impact and you can do whatever you want with it.
I know this is a parody but the experience at the end of the day is priceless. I’ve attended 7 seminar series, last one 18 years ago. Best thing I ever did for myself. I was challenged to think and operate outside of the box I put myself in as a young child, this experience taught me to think outside the box. I know I’ll get crap for this but I loved my Landmark experience.
The difference between "acting" and real "human drama". I did the real human drama est and it was the most entertaining thing I have ever done. This video is funny, especially so for anyone who actually did the Training. I wish YT would have even a minute of inside the real training. Different vibe. . . . real human drama.
Yeah. The bathroom thing is more an EST thing the "Technology" Landmark uses was originally developed by man named Werner Erhard 1971. The assholes reference is also homage to Erhard. He was tough. Really confronting. His lectures & philosophies are all on RUclips. That's how I know all this stuff about him. I just jump down the rabbit hole and went on an interesting journey. ✌💖😊
From my understanding back in the days they wouldn’t allow people to go to the bathroom (EST). I took the Forum over the weekend and tomorrow night (Tuesday) is our last night when we are told to invite a bunch a people.Very interesting info and it had some value for everyone there however, I was quite disappointed last night how things ended...especially after hearing so much positive things about it for years now.
First they put everything in place to make it SEEM you can't go. And when you say; "this is horrible! I needed to pee!". They will say; Then why did'nt YOU go? That's on YOU, not me. You don't 'get it'....yet. They do gangstalking as well.
This cracked me up in the first few seconds! (pun intended). If I'm a big asshole, I'm going to have to use that bathroom or poop my pants or is that meant to be a cathartic moment for all..mmm( I want to laugh at my own joke (because I'm an asshole) but there is no laugh emoji.
I'm totally re-writing my original comment - this is actually quite good. The Americans' take on The Forum is also excellent. It's amazing how much this guy resembles Werner - were it not for the Jewfro and the disco-era outfit, he'd be a spitting image.
True dat - but The Americans' take is on "The Forum", whereas this is a reasonable, superficial parody of the original "est" course, which I took more than once, in addition to seminars and the 6 Day course. Look - it's Werner with a "Jew-fro"!
@Mike S Maybe so, but est was shut-down decades before The Americans. The Landmark Forum is the most recent iteration of Werner Erhard and company's work.
I’ve done The Forum. I think there are some good aspects to it and other aspects of Landmark that I did not like. I got something out of it! To question our thinking and consider what is possible. To reflect on our obstacles and really connect with others. I didn’t like that we were really encouraged to recruit more people.
I did the "FORUM" and the advanced course "THE 6 DAY". Best thing I've ever done.AND if you don't think it can work for you - it won't don't waste your money.
Yes, I completely agree. It was worth it all. I can define my life as a "before" an an "after" - the after is a great life lived in love, empowered, with peace... Before was more or less chaos. I learned to take responsibility for me and my life. Take responsibility for my family. It took years to get it - but after I got it - wow. It is very empowering, yet it is so so so tough. I was someone blaming others for my failures. I felt that responsibility for our home was a 50%-50% deal between me and my spouse. I learned on the Landmark Forum, that I have 100% responsibility for that my relationship with my wife is good. And so has she 100%. That was a very tough thing to realize. There is simply NO space for anything like retaliation or all the usual games - where we play roles, drama, strongsuits, being right about being right - all of it has absolutely NO integrity. I have had so much peace subsequently. Its not that I don't "step in it" . I still do - but it has become much more rare.
And at the end of the Landmark forum they said, "You know all that trauma and guilt you've had in the past? Well, it has no meaning. Nothing in life has meaning, so go out there and live the life you want!" -- it seemed like they misinterpreted accurate psychological and philosophical methods.
Or you totally missed the point of the whole thing. Empty and meaningless is....empty and meaningless. Experiencing this directly without the usual negative connotation around the words is profoundly freeing and transformational.
Convy was tapped to host MATCH GAME 90 for ABC when he went to visit his I'll mother and then he collapsed himself with a brain tumor, thus he was replaced by Seattle comedian Ross Shafer. BTW, Reynolds and Convy's production company Burt & Bert produced WIN, LOSE OR DRAW and 3RD DEGREE.
It's all just cult training. Religions do it, sales people do it, politicians do it. It's all about triggering emotions to turn off your logical brain so they can control you. They use whatever personal issues you confess to (and let's face it, you're there to fix your life so you have some) and then use it as ammo against you. You don't need to join a cult to actually get your mind right about things.
@@SuperiorityQomplex I'm a salesperson and I really just convince people that our product is the best out of anyone else's on the market and tailor the product to their specific needs, narrative and how it can improve their life (unless doing so would destroy their finances). I highly doubt I would press somebody into something that is going to ruin them. As a salesperson I immediately recognized the Landmark "intro session" as a gross and ugly Ponzi scheme with cult-y edges and was one of the few who got the fuck outta there while everyone around me was pushed into registering by carefully placed plants in the audience. You can't solve the human condition over three days of sleep deprivation and stupid babble, even if you pay them the $1000 and volunteer your time afterwards :D
Don't! If you have a rebelious mindset; they will BREAK you. And if you keep resisting: they will make you pay. And once there is nothing left of you and you've gone crazy: they will tell you it is YOUR fault.
I could laugh along with it up to "If it happened, you _chose_ it!" Suddenly, it was too real for me. BTW, fuck anybody who actually tells people that shit.
Good point. and tons of evidence exists that shows that a bogus concept including: the 10 million people executed by Hitler, the 40 million killed by Stalin, the huge numbers of people around the world in the last 900 years that have been enslaved… And the 4 billion people today who are trying to survive on less than $10 per day of income and the 1 billion people who are trying to survive on less than $1.50 per day of income. Yes all 4 billion of those people chose that to happen to them, and almost 100% of them just happen to be in poor countries. Also, most Americans live on at least 800% more than the average person in the world. By the sicko, twist of logic of landmark, they all chose to be 800% wealthier than the average person, and it had nothing to do with what country they were born in.
oh gawd! the foul memories - and the room is not impeccable...I volunteered (as a Landmark slave) not centered we had to completely rearrange the space (with a measuring tape to make sure it was centered) and we had to separate the chairs with a tissue box...read the Tao Te Ching instead - it'll give you more than Landmark
@@UdoADHD They might "willingly" volunteer, but they could be considered "slaves" because many people could be considered "brainwashed." I watched my boss quit his job, with a very sick wife (i.e. no more healthcare), and decide to "volunteer" for Landmark.
Particularly abhorrent is the concept that everybody chooses what happens to them. Tons of evidence exists that shows that is bogus concept including: the 10 million people executed by Hitler, the 40 million killed by Stalin, the huge numbers of people around the world in the last 900 years that have been enslaved… And the 4 billion people today who are trying to survive on less than $10 per day of income and the 1 billion people who are trying to survive on less than $1.50 per day of income. By the dangerous and disgusting logic of this concept, all 4 billion of those people chose that to happen to them, and almost 100% of them just happen to be in poor countries and it’s not based on the fact they were born in a poor country. Also, most Americans live on at least 800% more than the average person in the world. By the sicko, twisted logic of landmark, they all chose to be 800% wealthier than the average person, and it had nothing to do with what country they were born in. The law of attraction people and some other types of new age people also foist the same gross concept on themselves and the world. They vary it slightly to say that people are not wealthy, healthy or in relationships or work that they want because they are not thinking enough positive thoughts or not having enough of a certain type of energy or mind frequency. By that insane logic, most people in Africa should be super rich and in amazing health given the fact of how much positivity, good energy and optimism they have. But alas, they are far and away the poorest in the world, and also have the worst health in the world due to the huge number of diseases there combined with the extreme poverty.
I did Est in 1980's it was so great.! The love the power the light ! The freedom from fear so I can love people and not be afraid. I can tell the truth and be kind. Freedom from Anxiety was the best thing ever! Keep yourself out of prison and do the Forum . There is something you need to know about yourself.
Very similar to my landmark experience. I felt like a zombie after 3 days. When I snapped out of it, I cried for several hours.
I got out after 2 days
For clarification, this is not a parody. This is a reenactment. Observe carefully.
no its not!!
@@GO-ji1bu Having done Levels 1 through 3 of the similar Lifespring brand LGAT in the late 80s, I would say this is a pretty accurate portrayal, definitely not a parody.
@@TheFpCassini wow... did the experience help?
If you haven’t done the course, then you simply can’t speak about it. If you’ve been to an introduction, you can totally come out on the introduction but you cannot come out on the course! At least not with any integrity or authenticity. You’re simply sharing how you feel about something which says very little about this something you’re looking at and says a whole lot about how you judge!
oh please. That's false
Landmark == BRAINWASHING Landmark == BRAINWASHING Landmark == BRAINWASHING Landmark == BRAINWASHING
I was forced to do The Children's Forum as a young girl. Haunts me to this day. Yes, they made this for children and parents handed them off for all-day "training" on both days of 2 weekends. 😢
I'm so sorry. 💔
poor thing
I did the EST Training in 1979. I was 18 years old. Stuart Esposito was my trainer. I hated every minute of it. He humiliated me in front of a ballroom full of hundreds of people through some stupid exercise where we were supposed to act like an ape or shout or something, it was emotionally damaging to me. Still, I completed the weekend because I didn't want to feel like a failure. I went on to take some of the graduate seminars because I was a gullible teenager. My mother even took the training herself later, and saw some brief value in it. But it was absurdly over priced and the jargon was such bullshit.
Haaaaaaaa! That's really funny. First LOL moment was seeing all the chairs squished together even though there's tons of extra space in the room
They probably want them physically-closer to eachother, even metaphorically.
It's psychological manipulation - creating a dynamic between discomfort and relief.
The chairs were put that way at the events I went to with est and the forum. They would line them up perfectly straight. It's true they would make you wait a long time between bathroom breaks. I was able to do it without any problems. I thought the portrayal here was closer to a reenactment. There is a humorous aspect to this I agree but it's done very professionally and makes me remember fondly taking the est training for the first time. It was an experience and we are all assholes!
@@CurtisSimpson I lived through the self-help hucksterism of the 1970's and made fun of it, was completely skeptical of it. What we couldn't see coming was the Woke Movement/Professional Victimhood and Political Correctness carried to ludicrous extremes and running rampant. How refreshing to see a self help movement, even in a satire like "Semi Tough," that stresses taking personal responsibility for one's choices! I'd love to have my energy and fast metabolism that I had when I first saw this 4 decades ago. Seeing this movie when Burt, Jill, Kris, et al were all young and vital makes me acutely aware of the decades that have passed and what we have lost as a society in the wake of today's technological totalitarianism, loss of privacy and censorship.
@@CurtisSimpson Yes we had to space the chairs precisely, using a kleenex box sideways. Even the way the room was set up felt very authoritarian, to me. I didn't like it at all. My instinct was to get out of there, and I only stayed because i had promised my recruiter that i would give it a chance. I wish i would have left. It's a vile organization, (in my opinion).
I just attended a LandMark Forum last weekend and heard participants called jerks and assholes! This is hilarious but also, disturbingly, true.
Landmark utilizes "attack therapy" to create an energy of catharsis... the attacks escalate over time and get more and more abusive, the longer people remain engaged with the program. It is immoral and unethical and the techniques used to dehumanize and objectify those participating overlap with group hypnosis techniques and mind control programming techniques. Landmark is a cult. EST was a cult before it. Tony Robbins runs a cult. It is exploitation of people who are hurting or who want to improve their lives and it is wicked.
@@TheAwetist802 they will never let you go.
@@TheAwetist802 What kind of nonsense is that? We had a very loving and kind style of conversation from the Landmark Forum leaders - one was Larry Pearson, another was David Ure. Tough talks, direct talks, but nothing like calling someone names.
I have had the best possible outcome of Landmark Education. I learned about integrity - it took me years to get it - but as it is, now, I really have got lots of things in my life on tracks, which I did not have, before. THe work is on me - I have - all in all - spent maybe 14 days on Landmark's educations, in total, over the most recent 12 years - largely 1 day per year - that is not much. The profound, positive impact on anything I do, nowadays, is such that I very often thank God that I had the enormous chance of participating.
This part with learning about integrity and what it can do for you if you get integrity integrated into your life - is worth everything. There are many other parts of Landmarks educations - their excellent seminars...
I am forever thankful for the knowledge, insight, and ability to now communicate much more freely and lovingly with business colleagues, friends, my spouse. It has literally transformed me. People have come to me and commented - voluntarily - about how I have changed to become a better human being. I thank Landmark Education's Forum Leader Mr. Larry Pearson, and a particular tough cookie - Ginger Ink - who ran several seminars which I participated in - it was mind boggling. Tough, because I realized many of my faults - but great great stuff.
To your comment that you think it is a cult - there is nothing occult there. Everything is in open - there is nothing secret about it. What is it which makes you think that it is a cult?
DigitalAgeInstitute Nice. Dave Ure was my forum leader back in 2011. Thanks for reminding me of his name 🙏🏾 😊
@@TheAwetist802 Completely untrue.
Oh this definitely is most real. Took the Landmark course. This role is so out of character for Bert Convey. He was the nicest guy in real life. Gotta hand it to him for nailing it here.
I haven't seen this since I saw it in the theater in 1977. While the movie itself, "Semi-Tough", was just so-so, this segment was an excellent send up of the self-improvement scene of the time. People would put down serious money to spend a weekend at a hotel listening to self-proclaimed gurus dressed like they just came off the disco dance floor. It was an odd time with lots of non-religious alternatives to the Jesus Freak movement of the early 70s. The book, "I'm Okay, Your Okay" was big then too.
It was still big in the 90s. My uncle got hooked on Landmark in the 90s.
@@amandasunshine2 that’s wild. Even by the end of the 70s people were cooling off on that type of training but it obviously persisted.
3:24:
BC: You're gonna get it.
What's it?
BC: That's what you get.
How will I know when I've gotten it?
BC: You'll know.
Suppose I know that I haven't?
BC: That's how you know you have.
Great scene with excellent direction and acting from Bert Convy and Jill Clayburgh.
This really captures the mood very well......hilarious!!!!!
Lifespring, Landmark Forum, Scientology.
Hidden camera footage from psychologically abusive "personal development" seminar: ruclips.net/video/Zx3HyF7v7Gs/видео.html
NXIUM now too
Lifeworks, Mastery in Transformational Training
There are dozens of them. They all came out of Mind Dynamics and Esalon.
1. The actor really looks like Werner Erhardt.
2. Doctrinal error: "It" is a negative code word for the world, but it also stands for the everyday averaging out of human experience.
3. Love the casting and the acting.
4. Rose is going to get dates.
I luv Bert's (Convey) leather jacket
RIP Burt.
Around 1977 when I was 16 years old I somehow got invited to one of their meetings. It was all kind of over my head.
Plumb Nutz - no it wasn't, really. It's sophistry, and that's why it made no sense.
Plumb Nutz - no it wasn't, really. It's sophistry, and that's why it made no sense.
The point is that they try to get IN your head.
it glosses over the "every concept you are going to learn here has an action of bringing your colleagues, friends, relatives and family to the Landmark Forum Guest Event for the ultra-hardsell sandwiched in" a little ;)
Got to say I agree with you on this business of bringing "guests", always the guests. I was somebody's guest at first. It was kinda hardsell too I'd say but it was always an "experience."
Well, I participated in 3 Landmark Forums, their advanced course, and 3 of their seminars. It created a completely mind blowing and positive change for my life. I learned about Integrity and the impact of the same (this is Werner's EST original concept).
The entire presentation is not even a parody. You know that a parody must have some resemblance of what it is trying to make a parody of. This one here is fun, but, it is not a parody of Landmark Education - nor Werner's EST concept.
We were never talked badly to - I met serious, professional, top notch coaches or forum leaders if you want - and I saw, in front of my own eyes, transformation of people who had various problems. I came myself to the same forum with a load of issues - one of the biggest one that I did not listen. It was putting words on one of the biggest problems I had faced all my life. THe forum leader "diagnosed" that problem within minutes - not like anything mysterious, he explained what he had observed, and it simply just made sense.
So - while this one is fun, it has nothing to do with Landmark Education, nor Werner.
@@DigitalAgeInstitute the "diagnose" you mention is not really a diagnose, it is an attempt to focus on personal narrative (how we explain things to ourselves) as sole carrier of meaning. It doesn't really solve any problems in fact, it only blames you for your interpretation of the situation and thereby puts the responsibility for everything into your hands.
While that's really helpful to a lot of people because it is a completely counter-intuitive way of thinking that most have never even considered, it is only a "passing loop" that can be used to get around communication blockages, not really a "diagnosis".
That part is doubtlessly useful though - I would never argue about it.
What I'm argueing is that wedged into every useful concept Landmark has to offer there is cult lingo ("distinctions"), hard sell and aggressive invasion into your family, social and job life sandwiched in all the way.
It turns you into a Landmark Education advertizement billboard unless you mind it out under persistent threat that you won't get the benefits that way.
@@omgsolikevalleygirl I like your view on things - I'm sure some people feel Landmark is the best thing that ever happened to them, but the way it's advertised, pushed on people and that there is no real accountability for the company, and the whole program was not devised by a mental health professional truly looking to help people, but by an uneducated group who only want to help people, or make people think they've been helped at least, to make the most money. If acting abusive towards people brings in more money and makes more people feel like they've 'changed' then they will abuse people without question.
I mean it's a one size fits all approach to mental health, one of the most varied and complicated areas of humanity, and their methods and approaches weren't designed by any trained or educated people, merely greedy and money hungry assholes. Its like they take all the functional parts of a cult and use it to create a money making machine. I mean really, what could a decades old new age half-baked pseudoscientific scam possibly offer people compared to the individually tailored, rigorously monitored and constantly improved field of ACTUAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS? They will help you with far more care than this bullshit and will likely be even cheaper and you won't be peer pressured into volunteering for an evil corporate cult.
Years ago a company I worked for sent us to an Est training. I immediately knew it was a crock of sh** then and it is a crock of sh** now, no matter what name it has been changed to.
And I am assuming that your own life is still Sh*t..
This is spot on. I attended landmark for all of five minutes...when they locked the door and said I couldn't use the bathroom without permission, I LOST MY SHIT. That wasn't amazing in itself, what was amazing was that everyone else stayed. That people would be willing to accept THAT told me everything about how the holocaust happened.
Where did you do it? Who was your Forum leader? Who told you about it. Did you leave?
The doors have never been locked.
You big baby.
@@patr70 lol you are an idiot.
Yoi ran out because they said you couldn’t use the bathroom ??? What kind of inner child has outgrown your physical self . . Grow some balls
stefan molineux with an afro
That's the 70's for ya!
it's called a Jewfro when it's sported by caucasians.
Subutay Han DEAD
the best part is the end, where burt is whizzing in an antique whizzing device strapped to his leg...
The good old days, EST, PI, Rolfing...
Interestingly, the brief exchange 3:26 is an almost verbatim portrayal (summary) of the Trainers' interactive spiel at the conclusion of the original est training, at least when I did it in 1979: ruclips.net/video/T5XYNQv6F_o/видео.html
I did Day 1 of Landmark today. The whole part of getting it was a real conversation I witnessed today.
Not sure that I get what you mean, Stephanie Malo.
So how was it … the forum.
The girls saying, I pee my pants..lol. Love it.
Yes, and then everyone applauding her for it. Also… In the real landmark forum, I’m pretty sure they would have lambasted her for breaking the rules and not having the integrity to hold out until the next break one to five hours later.
Another funny thought I had after she said that is: I bet she didn’t find it enjoyable three hours later when her pants were still soaking wet with piss… And she also smelled of piss.
Occasionally life is a great big shit sandwich. Deal with it as best you can and move on. Don’t look back. Sometimes life is good. As l look back on life after 71 years, I see that it was a blessing to grow up in a working class neighborhood without ever having anyone tell me that I was a victim.
Your comment screams: “I am a lazy hippie that has been victimized my whole life”
EST could be the salvation you need!
@@downallyourstreets “I am a lazy hippie that has been victimized my whole life” - like that's a bad thing?
At anytime anyone of them could have got up and went to the bathroom, they just didn't have it in them yet to just go.
What will disappear is your money!
Yeah it costs money just like anything of value. And it's not for everyone. It's highly effective at producing breakthroughs over a short period of time if youre willing to try it on.
I paid $650 for over 40 hours of intense training which was more effective then any therapy I've ever done. Not to knock therapy at all, because I do believe it's a great thing to do, but therapists charge $100 bucks an hour if not more.... Landmark costs money, but Its honestly a great value
But, hey, go on "Super Password" and Mr. Convy would give it back to you by handing away the game.
Not only your money. They take your soul and they will not give it back.
@Su!c!de Surv!vor Just like Trump's presidency!
I also did the landmark forum and part of me applaud the accuracy of the parody the other part... is attempting to appreciate the humor because the Landmark Forum really helped improved critical aspects of my life.
The methods used and the contents are exactly the same as in Scientology. The founder of Landmark was even sued by Scientology for steeling that stuff
Yes, Gerard, I had the same positive experience of Landmark Forum !!!
Those methods were NOT from Scientology - GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT - came from Alexander Everett’s Mind Dynamics seminars - who was Werner Erhard mentor - as an ex-Scientology member - nothing about EST is even remotely similar - Hubbard was jealous of Werner and viciously attacked him - he was a threat to him and used the fact that he briefly ventured into Scientology as a means to smear him and it worked great - other than Alexander - most of his ideology came from Martin Heidegger NOT Ron Hubbard.
so funny| never saw that one but since I did the Forun in 2004, its the same!
Seeing the dude lock the door is making my stomach turn. This is making me feel sick.
That's how it goes. They locked me up with 3 actors.
@@roddo1955 I stand guard at those doors.. nobody escapes!
So I finally did landmark. This is similar except the leader does not cuss at you, you can use the bathroom, you Get breaks every 3 hours and you’re encouraged to talk to your friends and family on said breaks. Other than that, this is a great over exaggerated parody of Landmark and you really do “get it” by the end lol
Well put and I agree
It's' also not landmark based. But that's ok.
very true. I also did the landmark forum and part of me applaud the accuracy of the parody the other part... is attempting to appreciate the humor because the Landmark Forum Changed my life.
h20 -
This is based on EST. The EST programs are the fore runner of Landmark. Landmark took the EST principles and refined and modified them. They continually do that even to this day. So yes it is not Landmark based but Landmark is based on the principles and continue to change lives with each event.
well, bert convy was right, you people are assholes. anyone that lends any credence to this shit is a moron. you’re all fucking sheep and totally susceptible to any crap that comes down the pike. they’ve been re-writing the same self improvement books for over 100 years and you idiots keep buying them, from james allen’s as a man thinketh to rhonda byrne’s the secret, you keep buying this crap because you’re suckers, christ, they even have aztec wisdom-the four agreements by don miguel ruiz . . . i’ll save you the time and money-it’s the golden rule from the bible-(matt. 7:12) do unto others and you would have them do unto you . . ., though of course i like the king james version-therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets- now, in the immortal words of alec baldwin, “go and do likewise, gents. the money’s out there. you pick it up, it’s yours. you don’t - i have no sympathy for you.”
This is such a good spin on Werner. He was very direct!! But... Werner showed compassion, unlike this parody. I took the course. This is an EXTREMELY EXAGGERATED DRAMA
1. You were never told “you cannot go to the bathroom”!!! This parody created this Potty talk to create drama.
2. For the first 3 hours, the leader shared many agreements These agreements were not optional. AND if you didn’t want to make the agreements you could leave and get all your money back.
3. More about the bathroom as it seems to be a big item for people here... What was shared was this: please use the bathrooms on brakes only as you may miss something during the course because you’re in the bathroom and it could be the one thing to change your life”. This is 100% accurate as I heard it myself!
4. The course was extremely powerful and it was hard work. Now I don’t know when I ever experience something that was extremely easy and fell into my lap and made a giant lasting difference. I never went to the gym and sat at the juice bar and got a six pack set of abs. If it doesn’t challenge you, it’s certainly not gonna change you. I’m gonna go with Albert Einstein on this one who said “you cannot solve a problem utilizing the same thinking that was used to create the problem“.
So this is a scene from the movie people. It’s a movie. It is not the course. Warner Erhard is known today by scholars, credentialed and published experts as one of the greatest thinkers of our time. A new book was recently published with the title “speaking being“. It was written by two Heidegger scholars, PhD‘s from Harvard. It wasn’t written by a writer who writes scripts for movies. It was written by world renowned scientists who did a decade of research and have extensive background in virtually every practice of psychology. These experts share how the landmark forum is very similar to the works of Heidegger.
So enjoy this clip as the clip that it is. it’s movie drama. If you’re ever thinking about taking a personal training growth and development course, simply look at the statistics for the results shared by the participants.
Harvard business studies Landmark worldwide very closely. Why?
Harvard business wants to know why 96% of the people who take the Forum by Landmark report their experience at such a high level.
My advice is do the research and go into any seminar with your eyes wide open. All I can tell you is this. My life was working OK before I took the course. After I took the course my life went from OK to extraordinary! It went from having goals to achieve and goals. That’s what happen for me. Go do what you’re comfortable.
Why am I sharing this? Again, my favorite physics professor had some brilliant things to share which I feel incredible. “The world will not be destroyed by evil people but destroyed by good people who sit by and do nothing“ Albert Einstein… Again.
When people who have not experienced the course or experience the course and share their opinion of the course not their experience of the course, I am highly suspicious in nature. They are probably not in the 96% who said it was the most remarkable thing they ever experience experienced. They are certainly in the category of the 4%. Harvard business studied these 4% as well and came up with the following findings.
Of the 4%, 1% was not well, were clinically depressed and unmanaged by a doctor, and had no business being in the course. 1% was told you must take the course Probably by a parent or employer and they simple sat in the back of the room pissed off. They didn’t participate and got marginal results. 2% of participants just make an agreement to take the course as designed and don’t. They get marginal results and blame the course for their failure to follow the most simple instructions.
You see, at the very beginning of the course they share with you that this is just a seminar and it is their technology and none of it’s the truth and it’s all made up and… Listen to some of the distinctions. If they work for you and you like them use them. If you listen to them and you don’t like them don’t use that. Nothing they say is ever process the tightest as a truth. As a matter of fact, the course is totally designed for people to look at what they know and believe to be true and discover that it’s possibly just their perspective or their opinion and not actually 100% accurate.
There’s my two cents worth. I hope this makes a difference for everyone :-)
Yes, I totally agree. Landmark Education is very professional. This parody is fun, and is maybe more aimed at these self-help courses than on Landmark Education. I exactly also got it like you did - they recommend (!) not to going to the bathroom mid-stream, and to use bathroom only if absolutely necessary during the sessions.
What a load of crap from a brainwashed zombie!
Yup you are one of the brainwashed individuals caught up I’m this psycho pyramid scheme… so sad…
No more Forums like this for a long long time .... what in the world is Landmark going to do with this current virus still front and center .... especially in their big city locations like New York ??
Easy, run them on Zoom etc. In some ways i think that can be even more effective, you lose reality even further when staring at a screen
John Paul Rosenberg changed his name to Werner Erhard after leaving his wife and 4 children in 1960.
Just saw this on tv and they overdubbed it with "idiots". Had no idea he said "asshole."
I recommended that a friend of mine attend the advanced course in London about two years ago having done this course in New York in the early 90's which was very challenging in a number of ways but also very interesting. The London course had been very watered down compared to what I experienced in NY. and my friend was very disappointed because I had painted a picture of something very stimulating.This is my takeaway form NY...positive: was exploring authentic in my relations with other people. exploring 'enrollment' and how to create a compelling vision of the future and goals which would draw me forwards, further distinctions between 'stories' and reality, identifying 'rackets' and trying to put an end to self indulgent judgmental narratives and attitudes. Negative: the detestable obsession of Landmark to pressure people into proselytizing and getting their friends, colleagues and family to sing of expensive courses, the lack of intellectual honesty and failure to acknowledge the sources of their materials (Buddhism, existentialism, Nietzsche etc...) and finally the brain washing tactics used...sleep deprivation, bullying attitudes of the course leaders and relentless pressure to sign up for more courses before having had time to digest the content of the one one was presently taking....the synthesis? A collection of interesting insights (all stolen) and for those who have not widely read in Eastern thought existentialism, gestalt and metaphysics well worthy to learn but too expensive cohercitive and dishonest. ONLY SIGN UP OF YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG SENSE OF SELF AND ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY RESILIENT! If you do go don't be conned by their insistence that 'intergity' is measured by how many people you get to sign up for course....i told them that instead of getting people to sign up other tasks and enquiries interested me more and since I had travelled all the way from Switzerland to NY before mobile phones had been invented and knew no-one in the city they were stumped. One last thing beware not to rush into painful confrontations with people in your past you may have some unresolved issues with Landmark push you to do this during the advanced course but they are not therapists and have no sense of how traumatic this may be.
You got scammed out of money to take a bullshit “course” and convinced your friend to do the same.
Agree - ONLY SIGN UP OF YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG SENSE OF SELF AND ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY RESILIENT! Although I saw PLENTY of people who don't match that profile get excellent value too
Thanks for sharing. What Werner got on that Golden Gate Bridge ,I say is distinct from Buddhism, existentialism and Nietzsche. Some say its close to Heidegger, personally I dont get Heideggers work anything like creating from nothing. Took me decades before I got IT,and most never got IT. Werner most unique person in my experience. I agree with your sharing. The push to sell and most dont continue to practice the distinctions. They wasted their money. Glad I done Werners work, but Im a slow learner lol
@@whowonthatballgame4298 Hello thanks for your response. The closest I found to creating from nothing can be found in Taoist texts. The concept of 'Wu Wei'; literally in Chine of 'doing nothing' means to be creative and effective but without over determining your efforts i.e. if we try too hard we often produce counter effective results (Tony Robbins discusses this in detail) because unconsciously we tend to sabotage that which we crave to achieve or through polarity obsession with say becoming rich leads someone to be cheated by their accountant because all they can see is their work hours or a born again minister preaching on lust and sin ends up in a seedy motel room with an underage hooker and is exposed because by wanting to be immaculate he suppressed ugly un-intergrated elements of his psyche by protecting them onto others and calling them sinners . The Taoist concept could translate to being in a 'flow state' where things seem to happen effortlessly. You say that you are a slow learner but many concepts from Eastern philosophies cannot be easily grasped and require an experiential component. There is a Zen parable about a fish who has swum in water its entire life with great ease and efficacy and one day it swallows a worm and is yanked up onto the river bank suffocating and foundering around. The parable ends by saying ; at that moment it realized what water is It took me many readings of Buddhist books to understand concepts like 'emptiness' and I still re-read my advanced course notes from time to tine 20 years later. They liked enlightenment to prisoner sawing through the bars in his cell for ages then one day finally the bars give and he is free.
Its like everyone woke up in the 70s and thought, what should I wear to look as horrible as possible? Now the hair. How can I make my hair look as horrible as possible?
They were still recovering from all those drugs they'd taken in the 60's.
Yes, they hadn't evolved into wearing their pants down around their knees yet.
70’s fashion was the evolution of nature fashion into materialism
My dad and sister did est in the mid 70s and 'got it'.. took charge of their lives, went after what they wanted, blah blah blah. However, in personal interactions w/ people, including me & other family, they tended to be aggressive, being kind of assholes sometimes, basically running over people in their self centered pursuit of their own goals.
My dad said he'd pay for me to do est but I didn't want it. 'Don't you want to be happy?' he said, like there was something Wrong w/me if I didn't do it.. . . BUT-- the 'getting it' wore off after a while -- they each were rather unhappy people later in life, one became alcoholic & reclusive, the other very obese and blatantly greedy
Well. I did Landmark Education - and I will say that it taught me happiness, and taught me to be fully responsible for my own mood, my life, my actions. And to have integrity in everything I do. For the most recent many many years, I have woken up happy every morning, and have been happy most of all days until bedtime. I have been blessed with the most wonderful wife - since then - and it is partly due to Landmark Education.
@@DigitalAgeInstitute Also they actually advocate that there’s nothing really “wrong” with anybody.
Interesting how most of the negative comments are based on here-say as opposed to people’s personal “experience” of the training.
THAT’S how we live our lives😝
They take 1000$ to bs you very well
have you gone through?
Completely. Life is what it is. No pitty, just life. It could be BS, maybe is for some people. I don't know and it's not relevant. It was great that I went there.
If I had that kinda money to spare I wouldn't waste it on some douchebag seminar. If I had that kinda extra money I would spend it on horse therapy, or swimming with dolphins. Now I'd be lucky if I could afford baby goat yoga.
I would say that the USD 140 which I paid, for the Landmark Education - was very very well given out. Had I had more money, I would have sent to them much more in sheer happiness and thankfulness.
Yep, its accurate, I was there, in my session someone indeed urinated on themselves then stood up and announced it.
I went to EST in 1981. I completed the two weekends. I just watched this because 'Walensky - CDC director' her ardent enthusiasm reminds me of the facilitator of my EST course. I just realized that it had a profound, effect on my consciousness forty years later.
Whoa. My mom always talked about her years in est. I’ve never heard of anyone else whose been in it
@@Apathetic-desperation "Be here NOW!"
How did it affect you?
@@amandasunshine2 I learned to say NO, rather than people pleasing.
@@roykallinen2751 oh so it was a positive impact?
This is brilliant
You sure wouldn’t see Bert Convy say this on Super Password!
Nah, he was too busy giving the puzzles away.
I love Bert convey. And we don’t say assholes we say jerks
I forgot my mantra.
I wish there was a religious war between Landmark and Scientology. Maybe throw in the jahovas witness to who ever wins.
This shit is hilarious
After watching all those game shows, it was the first time I ever saw Bert Convy say the word "assholes" and then repeat that about a zillion times in this segment because it went against his usual type as a wholesome sort-of dude. First time I saw anything from this movie, too. 1977:
I would have been 11 and have been watching Star Wars 17 times in a row instead.
I like this now after having seen it. It kind of reminds me of movies in a similar vein, such as "Serial," with Martin Mull. Nothing like having "friends" and knowing they will try to rope u into some BS like this bullshit.
I think I have seen this in "The Americans". Great show..
4:20 "Really Meeting people" is a real exercise Landmark calls "The Be With Exercise" where you turn to the person next to you and stare into their eye silently for 5 minutes, being aware of your inner dialog & all of it judgments. It is as Akward as it sounds, but honestly super helpful. And full disclosure, I did it in the mirror once, just for a goof, sort of a private joke mock the exercise, but it turn out to be very informative to me about what I think & say about myself when I think I'm not listening. It's worth doing at least once & you're doing it by yourself so no one has to know unless you blab it in a comment box on RUclips. ✌💖😊
Might be horrible for austic persons, or for people (often females) taught to avoid eye-contact!
Thanks, Taylor, for sharing. I had a similar experience on the Landmark education. It was during the Advanced Course. Very recommendable exercise. One really finds peace in looking into other people's eyes when we talk with them.
Seems like you're running a racket with the mirror
It's a scene from "semi_tough'.
Thanks man!
Everyone in this video is a fashion crime. Sounds like a great way to really have fun as a psych student over a weekend. Have a blast just making any 'ol thing up. 70's fashion -- let's hope it never comes back in style.
Lol, time to wake up...
Clicked because I thought this was Peter Riegert...I think it's time I had my eyes checked.
actress is gorgeous.
Tim Kang - Jill Clayburgh
Took the LF in 2012 and it has seen me through the lowest points of my life and how i re-created and re-invented myself. This has helped me overcome setbacks and challenges in life.
Step One: Get a hairy football helmet
Step Two: get a microphone
Step Three: Profit
Brilliant.
6:39 priceless
Will Koen i just pissed my pants watching that!
This is hilarious, but I did the forum. It wasn’t like this at all lol. It’s basically three days of getting people to get that they’re not present. Like they’re always thinking about the past or the future instead of experiencing life as it happens. I think that’s true for a lot of people. Landmark isn’t a religion and it’s not saying to be or act a certain way, they’re just saying that being present in your life will have a positive impact and you can do whatever you want with it.
I did the Forum and it was like that...Landmark is a cult.
This is brilliant and funny.
I know this is a parody but the experience at the end of the day is priceless. I’ve attended 7 seminar series, last one 18 years ago. Best thing I ever did for myself. I was challenged to think and operate outside of the box I put myself in as a young child, this experience taught me to think outside the box. I know I’ll get crap for this but I loved my Landmark experience.
“I acknowledge that”. 🤡👍🏻
And this guy hosted network TV game shows...
Why does the leader look like Tom Jones 🤣🤣🤣
Bert Convey.
The difference between "acting" and real "human drama". I did the real human drama est and it was the most entertaining thing I have ever done. This video is funny, especially so for anyone who actually did the Training.
I wish YT would have even a minute of inside the real training. Different vibe. . . . real human drama.
I went to the landmark forum they never stopped us from using the restroom.
Yeah. The bathroom thing is more an EST thing the "Technology" Landmark uses was originally developed by man named Werner Erhard 1971. The assholes reference is also homage to Erhard. He was tough. Really confronting. His lectures & philosophies are all on RUclips. That's how I know all this stuff about him. I just jump down the rabbit hole and went on an interesting journey. ✌💖😊
From my understanding back in the days they wouldn’t allow people to go to the bathroom (EST). I took the Forum over the weekend and tomorrow night (Tuesday) is our last night when we are told to invite a bunch a people.Very interesting info and it had some value for everyone there however, I was quite disappointed last night how things ended...especially after hearing so much positive things about it for years now.
@@csheriell How did it end that caused disappointment?
First they put everything in place to make it SEEM you can't go. And when you say; "this is horrible! I needed to pee!". They will say; Then why did'nt YOU go? That's on YOU, not me. You don't 'get it'....yet. They do gangstalking as well.
This cracked me up in the first few seconds! (pun intended). If I'm a big asshole, I'm going to have to use that bathroom or poop my pants or is that meant to be a cathartic moment for all..mmm( I want to laugh at my own joke (because I'm an asshole) but there is no laugh emoji.
Rerunning Semi-Tough again? It's still fairly accurate and funny.
Agh my mom was in this cult for a bit
She brought us to meetings as kids and even a retreat in Chicago it was bad
I'm totally re-writing my original comment - this is actually quite good. The Americans' take on The Forum is also excellent.
It's amazing how much this guy resembles Werner - were it not for the Jewfro and the disco-era outfit, he'd be a spitting image.
True dat - but The Americans' take is on "The Forum", whereas this is a reasonable, superficial parody of the original "est" course, which I took more than once, in addition to seminars and the 6 Day course.
Look - it's Werner with a "Jew-fro"!
@Mike S Maybe so, but est was shut-down decades before The Americans. The Landmark Forum is the most recent iteration of Werner Erhard and company's work.
@@JahNawl The Americans was a take on est. The Forum wasn’t until later.
I’ve done The Forum. I think there are some good aspects to it and other aspects of Landmark that I did not like. I got something out of it! To question our thinking and consider what is possible. To reflect on our obstacles and really connect with others. I didn’t like that we were really encouraged to recruit more people.
We just had this conversation five years ago
That is awesome!
You get breaks every 2-3 hours and you can use the bathrooms anytime you want
That totally justifies the gaslighting, humiliation, and emotional manipulation.
Yep. Pretty much sums it up 😁
This isn’t parody.
yes it is
I did the "FORUM" and the advanced course "THE 6 DAY". Best thing I've ever done.AND if you don't think it can work for you - it won't don't waste your money.
Yes, I completely agree. It was worth it all. I can define my life as a "before" an an "after" - the after is a great life lived in love, empowered, with peace... Before was more or less chaos. I learned to take responsibility for me and my life. Take responsibility for my family. It took years to get it - but after I got it - wow.
It is very empowering, yet it is so so so tough. I was someone blaming others for my failures. I felt that responsibility for our home was a 50%-50% deal between me and my spouse. I learned on the Landmark Forum, that I have 100% responsibility for that my relationship with my wife is good. And so has she 100%. That was a very tough thing to realize. There is simply NO space for anything like retaliation or all the usual games - where we play roles, drama, strongsuits, being right about being right - all of it has absolutely NO integrity.
I have had so much peace subsequently. Its not that I don't "step in it" . I still do - but it has become much more rare.
And at the end of the Landmark forum they said, "You know all that trauma and guilt you've had in the past? Well, it has no meaning. Nothing in life has meaning, so go out there and live the life you want!" -- it seemed like they misinterpreted accurate psychological and philosophical methods.
Or you totally missed the point of the whole thing. Empty and meaningless is....empty and meaningless. Experiencing this directly without the usual negative connotation around the words is profoundly freeing and transformational.
I did est when I was in 8th grade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Landmark is no longer as this parody portrays. You can get up and stretch or use the bathroom whenever.
good as it should be
That's not the only change that should be made.
Get it ?
RIP Bert Convy (1933-1991) and Burt Reynolds (1936-2018) :(
Convy was tapped to host MATCH GAME 90 for ABC when he went to visit his I'll mother and then he collapsed himself with a brain tumor, thus he was replaced by Seattle comedian Ross Shafer. BTW, Reynolds and Convy's production company Burt & Bert produced WIN, LOSE OR DRAW and 3RD DEGREE.
Ill mother not I'll. Hate Spell check.
This probably supposed to make you not want to do this but it makes me want to do it more
A glutten for punishment, eh?
It's all just cult training. Religions do it, sales people do it, politicians do it. It's all about triggering emotions to turn off your logical brain so they can control you. They use whatever personal issues you confess to (and let's face it, you're there to fix your life so you have some) and then use it as ammo against you. You don't need to join a cult to actually get your mind right about things.
@@SuperiorityQomplex I'm a salesperson and I really just convince people that our product is the best out of anyone else's on the market and tailor the product to their specific needs, narrative and how it can improve their life (unless doing so would destroy their finances). I highly doubt I would press somebody into something that is going to ruin them. As a salesperson I immediately recognized the Landmark "intro session" as a gross and ugly Ponzi scheme with cult-y edges and was one of the few who got the fuck outta there while everyone around me was pushed into registering by carefully placed plants in the audience. You can't solve the human condition over three days of sleep deprivation and stupid babble, even if you pay them the $1000 and volunteer your time afterwards :D
@@danmeadowsmusic agreed.
Don't! If you have a rebelious mindset; they will BREAK you. And if you keep resisting: they will make you pay. And once there is nothing left of you and you've gone crazy: they will tell you it is YOUR fault.
What movie is this from?
Semi-Tough (1977)
I could laugh along with it up to "If it happened, you _chose_ it!"
Suddenly, it was too real for me.
BTW, fuck anybody who actually tells people that shit.
Good point. and tons of evidence exists that shows that a bogus concept including: the 10 million people executed by Hitler, the 40 million killed by Stalin, the huge numbers of people around the world in the last 900 years that have been enslaved… And the 4 billion people today who are trying to survive on less than $10 per day of income and the 1 billion people who are trying to survive on less than $1.50 per day of income. Yes all 4 billion of those people chose that to happen to them, and almost 100% of them just happen to be in poor countries.
Also, most Americans live on at least 800% more than the average person in the world. By the sicko, twist of logic of landmark, they all chose to be 800% wealthier than the average person, and it had nothing to do with what country they were born in.
I am a Forum Graduate and yet I loved it ;)
Is there a part 2 or something?
Holy crap! I should have done that long ago. I just put a link to *Part 2* in the Description above.
Social media?
oh gawd! the foul memories - and the room is not impeccable...I volunteered (as a Landmark slave) not centered we had to completely rearrange the space (with a measuring tape to make sure it was centered) and we had to separate the chairs with a tissue box...read the Tao Te Ching instead - it'll give you more than Landmark
Would you share more? As a volunteer you clearly have lots insights. I have always wondered what it is like to volunteer there. Thanks in advance.
I saw a volunteer separating chairs with tissue box but how exactly were you a slave when you willingly volunteered?
@@UdoADHD They might "willingly" volunteer, but they could be considered "slaves" because many people could be considered "brainwashed." I watched my boss quit his job, with a very sick wife (i.e. no more healthcare), and decide to "volunteer" for Landmark.
@@broskiy77 - ...Who gives a fuck about how far apart the damned chairs are??? Talk about micro-managing cult mentality.
@@broskiy77 Um, you're talking cult talk..
Landmark form, It cost a lot of, and it's literally for nothing, don't waist your money!!!!
Is that Carrie Fisher at the front row?
Its a cult,destucktive
Particularly abhorrent is the concept that everybody chooses what happens to them. Tons of evidence exists that shows that is bogus concept including: the 10 million people executed by Hitler, the 40 million killed by Stalin, the huge numbers of people around the world in the last 900 years that have been enslaved… And the 4 billion people today who are trying to survive on less than $10 per day of income and the 1 billion people who are trying to survive on less than $1.50 per day of income.
By the dangerous and disgusting logic of this concept, all 4 billion of those people chose that to happen to them, and almost 100% of them just happen to be in poor countries and it’s not based on the fact they were born in a poor country.
Also, most Americans live on at least 800% more than the average person in the world. By the sicko, twisted logic of landmark, they all chose to be 800% wealthier than the average person, and it had nothing to do with what country they were born in.
The law of attraction people and some other types of new age people also foist the same gross concept on themselves and the world. They vary it slightly to say that people are not wealthy, healthy or in relationships or work that they want because they are not thinking enough positive thoughts or not having enough of a certain type of energy or mind frequency. By that insane logic, most people in Africa should be super rich and in amazing health given the fact of how much positivity, good energy and optimism they have. But alas, they are far and away the poorest in the world, and also have the worst health in the world due to the huge number of diseases there combined with the extreme poverty.
Very funny.
I did Est in 1980's it was so great.! The love the power the light ! The freedom from fear so I can love people and not be afraid. I can tell the truth and be kind. Freedom from Anxiety was the best thing ever! Keep yourself out of prison and do the Forum . There is something you need to know about yourself.
Just remember John Denver was a hardcore believer
Joe Namath
Existentialism....do I fly out there on a Berkut and "be"....? Or do I forget the darn thing flies on fuel and not unicorn wishes!.. Lol
My opinion of John Denver has gone down.
you are running a racket on John Denver
"Because it's a rule...why is it a rule?....Because.....it works".
and it actually does
@@NKomarov only if you go along. Resist; and you're 'marked'.
I just learned I'm a perfect asshole, yay
Creepy AF